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Opposition of India: Ministry of Defense tries to justify the high cost of the deal with enthusiastic exclamations of Rafale aircraft

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The euphoria continues to reign in India's defense ministry and pro-government media over the receipt of five Rafale aircraft from France. Recall that the contracted fighters arrived at the Indian Air Force Ambala on July 29. Since then, literally every day from Indian high-ranking officials, journalists, military experts, statements have been made either about a "radical change in the power component" or "the beginning of a clear superiority of the Indian armed forces over the armed forces of China."


Oppositional Indian politicians and their sympathetic media in India are not ready to support these interpretations. It is noted that all these claims of "superiority" in India are being replicated by pro-government forces with one single purpose: to justify a deal that is extremely costly for Indian taxpayers.

With enthusiastic exclamations about Rafale, the Ministry of Defense is trying to justify the excessive cost of this deal.

It is recalled that each French "Rafale" with weapons and maintenance to the Indian treasury cost about $ 217 million. As noted by the Indian opposition, no one argues that the Rafale are excellent fighters, but it is unjustified to shell out such huge sums for these aircraft.

In this regard, the Indian authorities were once again accused of a possible corruption component of the deal with the French.

The strangeness of the actions of the Indian Ministry of Defense is also noted: why for the third year the department has not decided in any way on which fighters to buy for the modernization of the aircraft fleet. Recall that the Indian Air Force intends to receive more than a hundred new fighters.

The selection list is as follows: the same French Rafali, Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, American F-18, Russian MiG-35 and Su-35. The Indian Ministry of Defense is still unable to determine for itself which aircraft it is ready to purchase for its Air Force.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 August 2020 08: 19 New
    +1
    The Ministry of Defense tries to justify the high cost of the transaction
    For God's sake. let them fly, they might determine that the plane is good and need to buy a hundred pieces. Where are the pennies? Yes, wholesale discounts, and then? fool "Dream Real" (90s ad)
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 August 2020 08: 23 New
    0
    In this regard, the Indian authorities were once again accused of a possible corruption component of the deal with the French.
    ... What doubts? VIKI: Unit cost $ 85-124 million depending on configuration (for 2012) More than $ 240 million for deliveries to India
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 August 2020 08: 33 New
      +1
      There is still a lot of news that you need to know .... training of technicians and pilots, delivery for parts, turbojet engines ... technology transfer.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 42 New
        10
        You can delete the transfer of technology.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 6 August 2020 08: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        There is still a lot of news that you need to know .... training of technicians and pilots, delivery for parts, turbojet engines ... technology transfer.

        You can list a bunch, but what's the point? The supply of MIGs and SUs also includes them. request
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 6 August 2020 08: 47 New
          +1
          For example, Su30MKI is the price of a machine kit .... The pilots are already trained, the simulators are standing, there is some kind of localization. Service is available on site.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 6 August 2020 08: 55 New
            -2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            For example, Su30MKI is the price of a machine kit .... The pilots are already trained, the simulators are standing, there is some kind of localization. Service is available on site.

            So what? What was, it was. If they want more kits, they will want them by planes. The pilots are trained - do not write nonsense. We need to train new ones. Trainers too. Throughput, wear, repair .... Service for 100 aircraft and 200, is there a difference? fool
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 6 August 2020 10: 55 New
              +1
              There is a service center that works, capital trd and serves gliders. There is a pilot school .... Of course, the price will be much lower than in the French version.
          2. avg
            avg 6 August 2020 13: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            For example, Su30MKI is the price of a machine kit .... The pilots are already trained, the simulators are standing, there is some kind of localization. Service is available on site.

            Yes, they understand everything, but they really want to cut the dough, and the masses vyat about the next "White Elephant".
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 6 August 2020 09: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          You can list a bunch, but what's the point? The supply of MIGs and SUs also includes them.

          Nothing like this. Bare board or airplane kit for sale. Rockets = snares, maintenance, etc. go by another contract. As a rule, neighboring. But this gives the plane only initial readiness. And the service already goes separately. The francs have a different approach, so their rafiks seem insanely expensive.
    2. Magic archer
      Magic archer 6 August 2020 08: 42 New
      0
      Weapons are most likely attached to aircraft. At one time, when we sold the MiG-29 to Malaysia, everyone wondered why they came out almost twice as cheap as the F-18, which were also bought by the Malaysians. The casket was easy to open. + weapons, + training simulators.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 August 2020 08: 45 New
        0
        You need to know the details ... The Su35S was delivered to China without changes and adaptation to the Chinese Air Force. And the Indians changed something in the configuration.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 51 New
          +1
          Especially. There were rumors, or news, that the Chinese will receive the SU35 in the configuration for the VKS, and this is no longer the price of the export version.
    3. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 6 August 2020 08: 50 New
      +1
      More than $ 240 million in deliveries to India

      This is with 5 years warranty repair. I can't imagine how the inhabitants of the homeland of elephants will repair this technique.
    4. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 6 August 2020 13: 22 New
      0
      Just a bribe of 100% of the cost of an airplane can be seen in India is not considered a bribe or on the verge, so they have not yet decided what to attribute it to, whether it is a bribe, or a premium for a successfully signed contract.
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 7 August 2020 14: 43 New
        +1
        Just a bribe of 100% of the cost of an airplane can be seen in India is not considered a bribe or on the verge, so they have not yet decided what to attribute it to, whether it is a bribe, or a premium for a successfully signed contract.


        For that kind of money, you can go one step higher from Shudra to Vaisya, I'm not sure that this will broaden the horizons of someone on this site, but in India, without help with higher or such amounts, it is impossible to make such a leap.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 31 New
    -1
    From yo! One "Rafale" = 3 SU35, or almost 5 MIL35.
    And the sense from these "Raphales" is an order of magnitude less than from our hawks.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 August 2020 08: 34 New
      0
      Compared to the Chinese contract, 1,9 Su35S
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 38 New
        0
        China took to try "on the tooth". Even with this ratio, it's funny.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 6 August 2020 08: 43 New
          +1
          A modern aircraft, in some ways better than the Su35S, in some ways worse ... here the main thing is consistency and mass scale and the production of consumables and weapons in India ourselves. Otherwise a stupid waste of money. If we now count how many types of turbojet engines are in service with the Indian army only on fighters ...
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 46 New
            0
            Do you know, in terms of performance characteristics and flight characteristics, I do not see any advantages for "Raphael" over SU35. And precisely on the issue of turbojet engine, it was logical to take either DRYING or MIG.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 6 August 2020 08: 51 New
              +1
              Radar with AFAR, very good indicators of carrying capacity, thrust-to-weight ratio .... a wide range of weapons at all ranges and targets, the presence of a shock version and sighting containers with sensors on the ground, the presence of a ship version.
              This is the freshest aircraft of the 4th generation, why should it be retarded? It is possible, in fact, to cover the needs of both the Air Force and the Navy with one fighter.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 56 New
                +1
                Who said he was "retarded"? All of the above is in the presence of Sushka and UMIG. And you correctly noted the 4th generation, about the most "freshest" _ you clearly got excited. Our 4 ++ generation machines. With avionics and minced meat like 57, UVT and a lot of "tasty" things.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 6 August 2020 10: 03 New
                  -4
                  Rafale is the freshest ... Su35 still falls short of the 5th generation avionics ...
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 6 August 2020 08: 38 New
      +1
      We will find out the meaning only after real battles. In the meantime, this is a fortune-telling by the pattern of tires.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 6 August 2020 08: 41 New
        +1
        The Hindu flyers have already "waited", they say that the Rafale does not reach the declared flight characteristics.
      2. tech3030
        tech3030 6 August 2020 15: 36 New
        0
        Drawing will give more results. Option - it has worn out and you will fly into a ditch.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 August 2020 08: 31 New
    +1
    And the Indians can buy any weapon without corruption? The main problems of our "Rosoboronexport" with the Indians, IMHO, and therein lies. Have forgotten how to give "kickbacks" ... everyone wants to charm the buyer with the parameters of the technique. And the buyer doesn't care ... What tanks, what war elephants. If only the handle was gilded. laughing
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 6 August 2020 08: 39 New
      +4
      And the Indians can buy any weapon without corruption
      ?
      They can. But why?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 6 August 2020 08: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Pereira
        They can. But why

        laughing hi
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 6 August 2020 08: 36 New
    +1
    “Whoever eats a girl dances her.” Our planes sell well even without bribes.
  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 6 August 2020 08: 36 New
    +2
    Raphael is just another type of weapon (service training components) in the Indian zoo of weapons ... and if you look at the range of weapons ... then you don't need to look for meaning in this ... what is beautiful (well, or beneficial to decision-makers) is what they buy ... the state of the Armed Forces ... combat capabilities have nothing to do with it ... and this is not the last dance ...
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 August 2020 08: 37 New
    +1
    Complicated comparison technique, but objective.
  8. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 6 August 2020 08: 38 New
    -4
    Yes, the plane is good, one of the best avionics, not from Chinese schemes is assembled, therefore expensive
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 6 August 2020 08: 44 New
      +1
      Not from the Chinese schemes collected! Well comrade, amused. laughing And where will you, Intel, Sony, BASF and others, keep their production facilities? And China tyrit technology?
      1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 6 August 2020 08: 58 New
        -5
        No, France has everything in the military-industrial complex
      2. Courier
        Courier 6 August 2020 10: 23 New
        +1
        Keep their production, not Chinese.
        But microcircuits are made in Taiwan, it is not controlled by China. China is the largest importer foreign microcircuits.
        By the way, they buy from the Americans Qualcomm, the largest supplier of microcircuits to China.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 6 August 2020 08: 51 New
    0
    The Indian opposition has the right to indignation, to buy Rafale twice as expensive as the F-35, we still have to try
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 August 2020 08: 53 New
    0
    Every day we are informed about Indian Raphael. We have already looked at it from all angles, but no !! The Indian opposition wants to say its own word.
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 August 2020 08: 54 New
    +2
    We have that Rafaley's piaction on the VO is happening?
  12. yehat2
    yehat2 6 August 2020 09: 09 New
    -1
    I hardly understand why the Indians did not buy flupenas.
    they have equipment close to Raphals, and the operating cost is much lower
    in addition, influenza is better suited for long flights.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 6 August 2020 10: 32 New
      +1
      It is scary to contact the Swedes for political reasons.
      They have a very peaceful socialist government.
      Until some country is at war, military equipment is willingly sold to it.
      Switzerland is there, Brazil ..
      And a conflict erupts, then the Swedish parliament will rise
      shout: "PEOPLE KILL WITH our equipment !!! This is unacceptable. Embargo ..." laughing
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 August 2020 10: 44 New
        0
        Germany has recently been breaking this approach ...
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 6 August 2020 14: 23 New
        -1
        Tell me honestly, the captain of the ship that was arrested with saltpeter in Beirut worked for the Mossad? yes
        1. tech3030
          tech3030 6 August 2020 15: 41 New
          0
          I think no. They are still smart people, you need to remove someone, launch a rocket. And what happened is sloppiness or a terrorist attack. But this is my opinion.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 7 August 2020 09: 35 New
            -1
            if you bring a box of grenades to the monkeys with the pins removed, then they will do everything themselves.
  13. pavelty
    pavelty 6 August 2020 09: 43 New
    +1
    What the heck if you assemble the Su-30 from vehicle kits, and now you can use different types of equipment.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 August 2020 10: 46 New
      0
      Theoretically, there should be a "Chinese" approach .... one and two motor vehicles for AL31 and further Al41 .... and further Product 30 ... all the more since the development prospects of these motors are visible.
  14. iouris
    iouris 6 August 2020 10: 44 New
    +1
    Finally tried to see the essence.
  15. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 6 August 2020 13: 07 New
    0
    That's right, bribes were received, distributed, now the main thing is that there would be no war, and these airplanes were successfully gathering dust somewhere before being written off.
  16. Charik
    Charik 6 August 2020 13: 46 New
    0
    220 lyamov for one - someone told me on this topic that Rafal was cheaper for them than the Su35?
  17. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
    Kuzmich Sibiryakov 6 August 2020 20: 41 New
    -2
    With enthusiastic cries, the crooks are trying to drown out the actions of law enforcement officers trying to investigate the facts of corruption.