British scientists: The explosion in Beirut is equal in power to the 10th part of the explosion in Hiroshima

British experts decided to conduct a study of the parameters of the explosion that thundered the day before yesterday in the Lebanese capital. Scientists from the University of Sheffield said that after analyzing the video footage of the incident in Beirut, they started calculating the power of the explosion.

It is stated that using the method of mathematical modeling, they found that the explosion in its power corresponds to about 1,5 thousand tons of TNT.

From a statement by British scientists:

This corresponds to a tenth of the power of the explosion that took place in Hiroshima in August 1945.

By the way, today, August 6, the world remembers the drama that took place in the Japanese Hiroshima. Exactly 75 years ago, the American B-29 bomber "Enola Gay" dropped the atomic bomb "Little Boy" on the city with a capacity of about 15 kilotons of TNT.

According to the head of the research group of the University of Sheffield Andy Tias, the explosion in Beirut “is estimated as one of the most powerful non-nuclear explosions of man-made origin in stories».

After explosions picture near port in #Beirut #Lebano #Fireworks #thursdayvibes pic.twitter.com/NEvIMovSZR

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Meanwhile, the Western press recalled a considerable number of examples of the explosions of ammonium nitrate and other chemical substances in the XX and XXI centuries. In particular, ammonium nitrate exploded at a chemical plant in the German Oppau in 1921. Then, according to official figures, 561 people died. Exploded 2100 tons of ammonium nitrate (ammonium nitrate) in the port of Texas City (USA) in 1947 - 581 victims of the explosion. Similar explosions rang out in China and Iran.

In the meantime, stills continue to be published, in which (and from different angles) one can see how a certain object flies up to the place of fire at high speed, after which a powerful explosion is heard.

When discussing the shots on the network, some are sure that this is conspiracy and video editing, while others believe that it was an ammunition fired at an ammonium nitrate storage facility.

Comments

[Blanket]

It seems to me that the "British scientist" could have used a simpler method: according to some sources, the mass of stored nitrate was in the region of 2,5 thousand tons, which in the TNT coefficient (about 0,7) will be about two kilotons.

[Starover_Z]

From a statement by British scientists:

This corresponds to a tenth of the power of the explosion that took place in Hiroshima in August 1945.

And the "British scientists" did not specify that the first American atomic bombs were dropped on non-industrial cities in Japan by AMERICANS ?!
PS When I saw the explosion in Beirut for the first time, I immediately remembered the explosions of the volumetric explosion of ammunition and said that it looks like there is nothing less than the vaunted "supers". And then "scientists", especially "British" ....

[Shurik70]

Quote: Pike

It seems to me that the "British scientist" could have used a simpler method: according to some sources, the mass of stored nitrate was in the region of 2,5 thousand tons, which in the TNT coefficient (about 0,7) will be about two kilotons.

Then they would not have been British scientists

[Shurik70]

Funnel 70 meters.
By the way, one of the versions of the explosion in Sasovo (1991, 30 meters funnel) is also attributed to saltpeter.

[Zeev zeev]

Well, if we can still say about Hiroshima that it is a "non-industrial city", then Nagasaki with its shipyards and port is quite a legitimate military target in all respects ..

[Blackmokona]

Hiroshima was also full of goals.

Hiroshima was located on a flat area, slightly above sea level at the mouth of the Ota River, on 6 islands connected by 81 bridges. The city's population before the war was over 340 thousand people, which made Hiroshima the seventh largest city in Japan. The city housed the headquarters of the Fifth Division and the Second Main Army of Field Marshal Shunroku Hata, who commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. Hiroshima was an important supply base for the Japanese army.

In Hiroshima (as well as in Nagasaki), most of the buildings were one- and two-story wooden buildings with tiled roofs. Factories were located on the outskirts of the city. Outdated fire-fighting equipment and inadequate training of personnel created a high fire hazard even in peacetime.

[Vladimir_6]

Nagasaki with its shipyards and port is quite a legitimate military target in all respects.

There was no need to use nuclear weapons against Japan. How easy it is for you - a legitimate target. And if the same legitimate goals are designated on the territory of Israel, it will be blatant anti-Semitism. There is such a concept of the Nuclear Containment Force. They should remain that way.

[Simargl]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Well, if we can still say about Hiroshima that it is a "non-industrial city", then Nagasaki with its shipyards and port is quite a legitimate military target in all respects ..

Is that why they blew up over a residential area in both cities? The factories were hardly damaged.
There was no point in nuclear bombings: they had burned 60 ++ cities, including Tokyo, to exactly the same state.

[Blackmokona]

What a complete nonsense.

Nagasaki in 1945 was located in two valleys, through which two rivers flowed. A mountain ridge divided the city's districts.

The development was chaotic: out of the total area of ​​the city of 90 km², 12 were built up with residential quarters.

During the Second World War, the city, which was a large seaport, acquired special significance also as an industrial center, in which steel production and the Mitsubishi shipyard, the Mitsubishi-Uraki torpedo production were concentrated. The city made guns, ships and other military equipment.

[Flamberg]

Well, here it is worth saying that after 6 years of storage it could have deteriorated, and it is far from the fact that all 2,5 tons were detonated.

[Blanket]

Agree

could and will spoil

[Avior]

Due to the peculiarities of saltpeter and climate, it has become even more explosive in 6 years.
But in principle, not all of the saltpeter could detonate, some of it just scattered from the explosion - this also needs to be taken into account.

[Hog]

after 6 years of storage, it could spoil

Yes, it seems to be the other way around, for the fresh one the coefficient is 0,15 for the caked one 0.65.

[Ilshat]

It doesn't decompose at all.
But incomplete detonation could have taken place.

[Zeev zeev]

Not the fact that it is saltpeter:
"It's not just ammonium nitrate," says former CIA officer about the explosion
Robert Baer, ​​a former CIA officer with extensive experience in the Middle East, said video footage of Tuesday's explosion showed that while ammonium nitrate may have been present in the warehouse, he does not believe he was responsible for the massive explosion that followed.

"You are looking at this orange ball (of fire) and, as I said, it is clearly a military explosive."

Baer noted that the white powder seen in the video of the incident before the massive explosion is likely an indicator of the presence and combustion of ammonium nitrate. He also noticed that a lot of ammunition exploded before the big explosion. "

[Senka naughty]

Saltpeter does not explode by itself, but we will pass English. scientists louse version

[astepanov]

Complete nonsense. By definition, power is energy divided by the time over which it is released. An atomic explosion is extremely transient, so no "ordinary" explosion can compete with it in terms of power. You can only compare the energy of the explosion. Indeed, we have an energy of about 2 kT in TNT equivalent. But there is one "but": in a nuclear explosion, a significant part of the energy is released in the form of radiation, while explosives spend energy mainly on the formation of a shock wave, and during its explosion there is more destruction than from AB with an equal equivalent. So all these childish calculations from "British scientists" as presented by crazy journalists are worthless.

[Simargl]

Quote: Pike

It seems to me that the "British scientist" could have used an easier way:

There, the captain-obviousness calculated everything, but was mistaken: in Hiroshima it was 12-18 kt, but in Nagasaki 21 kt

[tralflot1832]

As always, amused. How can they be ahead of us, they are brakes. On the VO, the professionals by eye on the mushroom determined the power, others just brought it. There is still not printed folk gradation of the explosion and it is very accurate, but we will not tell you it; therefore what a Soviet secret. Send the Negro scout.

[Simargl]

Quote: tralflot1832

At the VO, the professionals determined the power by eye by the mushroom, others just brought it in.

Of course the pros! Only not according to the mushroom, but according to the table. And yes - by eye: they looked at the table.

[Mavrikiy]

ingenious, modeling, calculations ....... A 20kt / 2 300t is so difficult British scientists

[rotmistr60]

British scientists

If it were not for British scientists, the world would not have known the equivalent of the explosion power of ammonium nitrate stored in the warehouse. "British scientists" are "British scientists" and cannot be confused with anyone else. It would be better if they expressed condolences.

[forest1]

Better yet, the money for British research would be given to British retirees, right?

[Simargl]

Quote: rotmistr60

If it were not for British scientists, the world would not have known the equivalent of the explosion power of ammonium nitrate stored in the warehouse.

And he will not know: with Hiroshima 1: 6-1: 9. From Nagasaki - yes there: 1:10.

[Ilya-spb]

Terrorist attack or negligence?

Provocation or accident?

Questions ...

[Blanket]

To store for many years in a strategically important place so many hazardous substances, including pyrotechnics ...

[Poetry]

The phrase "British scientists" involuntarily makes me smile. Better to measure the heart rate of hamsters under stress or how much carbon dioxide cows emit when they farts.

[antivirus]

or how much carbon dioxide cows give off when they fart.

- hasn't it been measured and published yet?

[Poetry]

Cows come in different breeds and different weight categories. Let them measure.

[Simargl]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

or how much carbon dioxide cows give off when they fart.

Methane.
Already measured.
Not British - normal.
Many large animals (sheep, cows, elephants ...).

[sailor roman]

I agree with the combination "British scientists" and in general the reference to the "world of scientists" among whom I worked as a "scientist" for more than 30 years always makes me smile. Among the thousands of so-called "scientists" there are hardly two who correspond to the understanding of the word "scientist" ..

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Better to measure the heart rate of hamsters under stress or how much carbon dioxide cows emit when they farts.

There is a more interesting question for their research: does any plug fit every barrel?

[Poetry]

This will require very serious research.

[Nitarius]

well, you can see .. that the explosion is man-made ... the only question is who is behind it .. and what kind of vacuum charge is so hot

[Senka naughty]

Of course, man-made, so that pure ammonium nitrate detonates, at least a detonator is needed. Moreover, judging by the photo, the nitrate was stored in separate "bags", that is, even if one of them detonated, it is not at all a fact that all the rest will be blown up. To do this, you need to equip them all with fuses and detonate them simultaneously. Here they wrote that the explosion was due to a fire. Absolute nonsense. To do this, it is necessary to heat the nitrate not partially / superficially, but in the entire volume to at least 300C. Moreover, this must be done in a relatively confined space, since the thermal decomposition of the salt must reach a certain concentration. Also here "experts" wrote about the safety of storage. Let it be known to you that it is worth observing the regime of 3-5% humidity of nitrate and it will not be undermined by any detonator.

[igordok]

Quote: Senka Mad

Of course, man-made, so that pure ammonium nitrate detonates, at least a detonator is needed.

Not necessary. enough temperature.
 

Under industrial conditions, the greatest danger is posed by the possibility of explosive decomposition and detonation of concentrated solutions and melt of ammonium nitrate. In this case, the likelihood of decomposition of nitrate increases with increasing temperature. Therefore, the Rules and Norms of Safety for the Production of Ammonium Nitrate, published in 1962, limit their maximum temperature in the equipment to 170 ° C. In recent years, in connection with the intensification of the processes of neutralization and the production of nitrate, the limiting temperature for heating solutions (melt) has been set at 190 ° C.

[Senka naughty]

In a production environment the greatest danger is the possibility of explosive decomposition and detonation of concentrated solutions and melt of ammonium nitrate.

Weren't you confused by the expression "in a production environment" ?!
Nicely, you did not read further "detonator", I suppose. A concentrated solution is the working phase of nitrate, with an increased content of nitric acid, in this state, the substance should not only be heated, but it must be handled carefully. Only now it is not stored in this form.

their limiting temperature in hardware limited to 170 ° C.

This is what I wrote about "confined space", not storage in a ventilated hangar. Copy something decent.

[Zeev zeev]

So it wasn't the saltpeter that exploded? Ammunition stored there by Hezbollah?

[Senka naughty]

Great experiment, congratulations monsieur.

[tralflot1832]

I just talked to my friend. He was in the sea, they did not know what had exploded. He said that it had exploded. He was shocked, he had just left the berth after unloading 4000 tons of ammonium nitrate to the recipient. there is but also to think.

[Free wind]

In 2013, a formula for non-explosive saltpeter was discovered in the west, and it is impossible to make explosives from it, the formula is not patented, it is available to any plant. Many factories have switched to such production. Another thing is that pure saltpeter is also needed, and not only in military affairs. But also in the civil sector.

[tralflot1832]

Do not smoke TB from the captain on the covers of the holds, or rather do not smoke at all and do not carry out welding work. And everything is fine. Even the grave goods have not been paid for this cargo, which means that it is not dangerous if handled correctly.

[Split]

explosion in Beirut “is rated as one of the most powerful non-nuclear explosions of man-made origin in history

Here are British scientists, even if they google

The explosion on the island of Helgoland on April 18, 1947 was registered in the Guinness Book of Records as the most powerful non-nuclear explosion in history ... a total of 6700 tons of various explosives were used. The mushroom rose to a height of almost 2 km

It turns out ~ 1/3 of Hiroshima. And the explosion was made ... drum roll ... the shaves themselves

[Cat]

And also the explosion of the Mont Blanc transport (1917) in the port of Halifax - about 3 kt. With a tsunami and other delights. True, there was almost pure explosives there.

[APASUS]

The version with the explosion of saltpeter does not suit me at all. Specialists work in any port and they do not need to explain the rules, storage periods, or teach the rules of transshipment. This is an enterprise security system, otherwise it would be so every day!
The question is rather with possible fraud and smuggling of the involved port and customs officials, this is closer to the topic

[alien308]

Arabs, sir.

[Alexey Sommer]

In the meantime, stills continue to be published, in which (and from different angles) one can see how a certain object flies up to the place of fire at high speed, after which a powerful explosion is heard.

What is typical of colleagues. No one commented on this point.
Apparently we don't read the articles to the end. Hurry to leave a comment?

[Free wind]

Wipe your eyes, hang up the sticky tape from flies, puff with dichlorvos a couple of times, and everything will pass.

[Pattor]

This is the first time I saw an object flying in the video here. For two days of watching videos, he was not anywhere.

[mark2]

And what kind of need is it, to watch the tragedy of the explosion for two days in a row? Are you a specialist or is this such a strange attraction.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: mark2

And what kind of need is it, to watch the tragedy of the explosion for two days in a row? Are you a specialist or is this such a strange attraction.

Well I do not know...
What kind of need makes you look and read and comment.
You yourself and answer.

[Vladimir1155]

dark story .... it is clear that for not very big money it was possible to organize all this easily, a number of inconsistencies, 1 why did Grechishin drove this ship there? Why did he give up, did not begin to pay not very large amounts in comparison with the cost of the ship's metal and cargo? What corrupt official kept all this there for 6 years? how could you set it on fire (how much was paid to the welder)? the venality of the modern generation devoid of conscience (that is, atheistic) is well known and corruption is the norm because it is convenient for those who have a lot of money (who prints it, that is, the owners of the US Federal Reserve System), and who controls democracy (that is, the power of money ... , financially industrial groups, is anonymous institutional investors, owns the media and has politicians, presidents of the army and special services, NGOs and parliaments as their lackeys, ... organize and pay for such a penny explosion for them

[Captain45]

Quote: vladimir1155

a number of inconsistencies, 1 why did Grechishin bring this ship there? Why did he give up, did not begin to pay not very large amounts in comparison with the cost of the ship's metal and cargo? What corrupt official kept all this there for 6 years?

What thoughtful people. Six years before the explosion, to think over and organize everything like that. Only one can do it ...:
Wind, wind - you are powerful, you drive flocks of clouds,
You stir the blue sea, proudly soar in the open
You are not afraid of anyone, only God alone ... (c) A.S. Pushkin

[Vladimir1155]

all threads are drawn to the murky Moldavian and Ukrop henchmen of the world behind the scenes,

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Captain45

What thoughtful people. In six years to think over and organize everything before the explosion.

A year later, in 2015, the Cypriot police discovered 8,3 tons of ammonium nitrate, which, according to one of the versions of the Cypriot special services, was intended for a terrorist attack prepared by Hezbollah militants
And Grechishin abandoned the ship, the business and settled the same in Cyprus and today they are looking for him and cannot find him. And in Lebanon there is an organization subordinate to Hizbalah, Majdal Shams, they tried several times to legally obtain permission to buy, but each time the court for some reason refused
Recently, they saw that the door had been broken open and traces of someone stealing and decided to weld the door.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: vladimir1155

dark story .... it is clear that for not very big money it was possible to organize all this easily, a number of inconsistencies, 1 why did Grechishin drove this ship there? Why did he give up, did not begin to pay not very large sums in comparison with the cost of the ship's metal and cargo? What corrupt official kept all this there for 6 years?

Put a plus and here's why
The Cypriot police said that the Cypriot authorities destroyed stocks of ammonium nitrate discovered by the police in 2015 in Larnaca during a special operation to prevent a terrorist attack.
We are talking about 8,3 tons of ammonium nitrate, which, according to one of the versions of the Cypriot special services, was intended for a terrorist attack, which Hezbollah fighters were preparing against the Israeli embassy in Nicosia.
At least in connection with the discovery of ammonium nitrate, a Lebanese citizen, Hussein Basam Abdallah, associated with Hezbollah, was detained, later found guilty of illegal storage of explosives and participation in terrorist activities. Abdallah was sentenced by the court to six years in prison.
According to a Cypriot police official, the ammonium nitrate stocks found in 2015 were soon destroyed at a special landfill near the village of Marki in the Nicosia Administrative District.
Maybe there is at least an answer to a few questions.
Why Grechishin drove this ship there? Why did he give up, did not begin to pay not very large sums in comparison with the cost of the ship's metal and cargo? What corrupt official kept all this there for 6 years?

[Simargl]

Quote: vladimir1155

venality of the modern generation devoid of conscience (that is, atheistic)

Yes, you are either ignorant, or a villain who offends atheists! The order to use nuclear weapons in Japan was given by a very devout person, suicide bombers are devout people ...
... or you have a peculiar idea of ​​conscience.

[Captain45]

I remembered on the topic: on July 2, 2000, terrorist attacks were carried out in relation to 4 VVDOVD in the RF using Ural trucks loaded with bags of saltpeter. Our department was lucky: at the entrance to the Komendachi checkpoint, the crows were not counted and they began to shoot. As a result, the car went to the side, bumped into a high curb, tilted and the packing of the bags in the back collapsed and the entire charge did not work, but the fact that it took off is enough to remember the feeling to this day. It’s a pity for the guys, they both died, but the department with the commandant's office survived, and in Argun there was a bang in the courtyard of the department. The landscape was like in Beirut, I was there two weeks later, I saw it. Chelyabinsk and Kurgan seems to have stood there, 70 - "200s".

[Vladimir1155]

and her and other attacks are funded from the same center

[srha]

In Britain, you have to be a "scientist" for such conclusions?

[Zeev zeev]

Yes, the Lebanese do not know how to handle confiscated goods. Learn from our Cypriot neighbors:

"The Cypriot police said that the Cypriot authorities destroyed stocks of ammonium nitrate discovered by the police in 2015 in Larnaca during a special operation to prevent a terrorist attack.

We are talking about 8,3 tons of ammonium nitrate, which, according to one of the versions of the Cypriot special services, was intended for a terrorist attack, which Hezbollah fighters were preparing against the Israeli embassy in Nicosia.


At least in connection with the discovery of ammonium nitrate, a Lebanese citizen, Hussein Basam Abdallah, associated with Hezbollah, was detained, later found guilty of illegal storage of explosives and participation in terrorist activities. Abdallah was sentenced by the court to six years in prison.



According to a Cypriot police official, the 2015 stocks of ammonium nitrate were soon destroyed at a special landfill near the village of Marki in the Nicosia Administrative District. "

[Simargl]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Yes, the Lebanese do not know how to handle confiscated goods.

They do not know how to handle hazardous substances.
However, comparing 8,5 tons and 2700 tons is not correct. Lebanon is much poorer than Greece and these 2,7 kt aroused greed. Here the hucksters out of them are figs.

[Alexfly]

The mind was not enough to bend down on the balcony ...

[rotfuks]

The explosion of saltpeter at a chemical plant in the German Oppau in 1921 is a completely different story. There, saltpeter lay in one huge caked heap, and this heap was crushed into pieces for a week with small powder charges. Then I got tired of hammering a bunch of small charges and they decided to crush the bunch with one big explosion. And this big explosion caused the whole heap to detonate. In Beirut, we don't see any heaps at all. There, saltpeter is packaged in bags. So to cause detonation, you need to put a detonator under each bag. And the fire and welding work does not cause an explosion of saltpeter. As a child, with my friends, I threw sacks of saltpeter into the fire from old tires and no explosion followed, the saltpeter just baked into one piece.

[ufpb]

The flying object is a bird. Damn who filmed - you have lived in a war zone all your life - do you know what a shock wave will always come behind a flash ?? Further, only the words of S. Lavrov.

[iouris]

"British scientists" (propagandists) are throwing into consciousness (and subconsciousness) the idea that since the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima by the "Russians" (highlikli), then the explosion in Beirut was also their work.

[Old26]

Quote: Vladimir_6

There was no need to use nuclear weapons against Japan. How easy it is for you - a legitimate target.

You, namesake, combine two incompatible things.
There was no need to use nuclear weapons against the Japanese. And part of the US leadership offered to bring Japanese diplomats to the test site and detonate a bomb there. Truman decided to strike at real cities.
And any city that has army headquarters, supply systems, shipyards, factories working for the war has always been a legitimate target for the enemy. You simply combined two incompatible things and make a not entirely correct conclusion about legitimacy ... In addition, all our arguments regarding the use of nuclear weapons are afterthoughts. Nobody knew what such bombing would result in. This became clear only later. I think if any of the coalition countries had such a weapon during the war in Europe, they would have used it. If only to keep your soldiers ...

Quote: Flamberg

Well, here it is worth saying that after 6 years of storage it could have deteriorated, and it is far from the fact that all 2,5 tons were detonated.

Nobody will say that now. The fact that it ceased to exist as a fertilizer due to the duration of storage is a fact. And how many detonated. It's not that important anymore. Whether 2750 tons (that is, all), 2500 tons or 2000 tons detonated - there is not much difference. Yet this is a kiloton class explosion

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Old26

There was no need to use nuclear weapons against the Japanese. And part of the US leadership offered to bring Japanese diplomats to the test site and detonate a bomb there. Truman decided to strike at real cities.

this was done not for the Japanese, who had almost surrendered, but for Stalin so that he would turn out to be from half of Hokaido promised by the Amenrikans, and in order to intimidate Stalin altogether, Hiroshima is the beginning of the Cold War, shortly before the test Truman threatened: “If the atomic bomb, as I believe, will explode I'll have a club against these Russian guys. "

[Vladimir1155]

more than 3000 tons have already been brought to Nikolaev, they will blow up and blame Russia

[Gloomy skeptic]

British scientists .......

After the words "British scientists", you can fantasize on a free theme, even without reading the note, because there is no limit to the wet fantasies of these characters!

[geologist]

The force of the explosion has not been studied, as my teacher said, it is a wild unpredictable element, so all calculations are approximate and the British may well be quite plausible. In his youth, he wagged with a wooden sledgehammer - they crushed saltpeter, caked in bags, which was then used in wells for massive explosions in a quarry. I didn’t like this weak collective farm explosive, but there was a lot of it, and I, out of laziness, preferred large mass explosions to small ones.