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Ways of development and modernization of RPG-7

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RPG-7 grenade launcher. A mechanical sight and a PG-7VL shot are used. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


In 1961, the RPG-7 anti-tank grenade launcher with the PG-7V cumulative round entered service with the Soviet Army. Later this system began to be developed and improved, due to which it still meets the basic requirements of the armies and retains its place in the troops. Such a long service was facilitated by the high modernization potential of the structure - by modifying or replacing individual elements, new opportunities could be obtained.

Starting device


The main element of the RPG-7 anti-tank system is the grenade launcher itself - a recoilless launcher with guidance and fire control means. This product was originally distinguished by high design perfection and practically did not need any modifications. However, in the future it was altered several times for one purpose or another.

Ways of development and modernization of RPG-7

Airborne RPG-7D. Photo Wikimedia Commons

In 1963, the RPG-7D modification grenade launcher entered service with the Airborne Forces. Its differences were in the detachable design of the pipe-barrel and the presence of bipods. Otherwise, it was identical to the base RPG-7. Later, the modification "D" was improved, but without changing the design of the starting device.

Interesting options for modernizing the RPG-7 have appeared in recent decades abroad. For example, the American company Airtronic has been producing the RPG-2009 grenade launcher since 7 - a copy of the Soviet product with modified ergonomics. Plastic is widely used in the design, standard strips for additional devices are installed on the barrel. The shape of the handles has changed, and an adjustable butt has appeared.


One of the Airtronic USA grenade launchers. Photo Airtronic-usa.com

Later, the Mk 777 grenade launcher was presented - a lightweight version of the RPG-7. He received a composite barrel with a steel liner and fiberglass pipe. The composition of attachments has been reduced. Due to these measures, the own weight of the grenade launcher was reduced to 3,5 kg. Other options for the revision of the starting device were also proposed.

Ammunition Nomenclature


The main task of the development of the basic RPG-7 was to increase the combat characteristics, which resulted in the appearance of new shots. In the early years, the main direction of improving ammunition was to reduce the size and weight, while increasing armor penetration. In the future, fundamentally new combat units appeared. It is curious that in all cases a unified set of elements is used - the starting charge, the engine and the tail.


Night shooting with a day sight. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

85-mm over-caliber grenade PG-7V mod. 1961, with a mass of 2,2 kg, it penetrated 260 mm of armor. In the late sixties, the PG-7VM product was created with an improved shaped charge. With a mass of 2 kg and a caliber of 70 mm, it pierced 300 mm. The next representative of the family, PG-7VS, pierced 400 mm at the cost of a small increase in caliber. In the late seventies, a PG-7VL "Luch" shot with an enlarged 93-mm warhead was adopted - it penetrated 500 mm of armor.

The development of protective equipment for armored vehicles led to the appearance of a PG-7VR round with a tandem warhead. The grenade of increased length and weight of 4,6 kg carries a 64-mm lead and 105-mm main charges. Upon hitting the target, the leading charge provokes the activation of dynamic protection, after which the main charge penetrates up to 650 mm of armor. However, the growth of power was accompanied by a reduction in the aiming range.


PG-7VL rounds. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Also in the late eighties, a grenade was developed to destroy manpower, unprotected equipment and buildings - TBG-7V. It was equipped with a thermobaric warhead with a radius of destruction of 8-10 m. A few years later, an OG-7V shot with a fragmentation warhead, containing 400 g of explosive, appeared.

Foreign countries also tried to develop their own shots for the RPG-7. So, the already mentioned company Airtronic produces the SR-H1 cumulative grenade. The product with a caliber of 93 mm and a mass of 3,82 kg penetrates 500 mm of armor. Practical ammunition for training grenade launchers is also offered.


Inert shot from Airtronic. Photo Airtronic-usa.com

Sights


Another direction in the development of the RPG-7 was the consistent development of new sighting devices. First of all, it was associated with the appearance of improved ammunition with changed ballistics. However, some scopes were created to obtain new combat capabilities.

In the first modification, the RPG-7 was equipped with an integrated mechanical sight, which performs the functions of an auxiliary one, and an optical PGO-7. The latter was a sight with a magnification of 2,7x with markings for determining the range to the target and firing.


Shots for the grenade launcher: tandem cumulative PG-7VR, fragmentation OG-7V and thermobaric TBG-7V (at the edge of the frame). Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

Already in the early sixties, the PGO-7V sight was created - an improved version of the existing product. Some innovations were applied in it, which remained in all the following modifications. This design received further development only at the end of the eighties in connection with the emergence of new "heavy" rounds PG-7VR and TBG-7V. For them, the PGO-7V3 sight was intended with an appropriate sighting scale.

In the early seventies, the possibility of using a grenade launcher at night was provided. The RPG-7N / DN product was equipped with PGN-1 and NSPU (M) sights. They allowed fire on tanks from ranges up to 500-600 m. The scope scales were designed for the few existing shots.


RPG-7VR grenade launcher with PGO-7V3 sight. Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

At the turn of the nineties and two thousand years, with the advent of new models of grenades, the so-called. universal sighting device UP-7V. With its help, the RPG-7 could effectively use fragmentation and thermobaric rounds at increased ranges. For TBG-7V, the firing range increased from 200 to 550 m, for OG-7V - from 350 to 700 m.

Foreign countries have repeatedly made attempts to independently improve the RPG-7 sighting devices. For example, in 2017, the Belarusian Center for Scientific Research and Design presented the Ovod-R grenade launcher. It was a regular grenade launcher with a PD-7 "smart" sight. The latter is an optoelectronic system with a day channel and a laser rangefinder (the night channel is provided with a separate attachment), as well as a set of weather sensors and a ballistic computer. It was argued that the PD-7 is capable of accurately calculating targeting data and provides more effective fire with all compatible shots.


Airborne RPG-D3 with UP-7V sight. Photo Vitalykuzmin.net

Room for upgrades


It is easy to see that the RPG-7 anti-tank rocket launcher and its ammunition in the first versions were not very complex in design. At the same time, they had a fairly high firepower and made it possible to effectively fight armored vehicles and thereby increase the combat effectiveness of the infantry. However, the development of armored combat vehicles gradually reduced the value of grenade launchers.

The relative simplicity of the design of the grenade launcher and its grenades made it possible to carry out modernization without any particular difficulties with obtaining various remarkable results. Serious reworking of the launcher did not make sense - only a collapsible landing grenade launcher was created in our country. The development of ammunition and sighting devices was much more active, and these two areas were directly related to each other.


Belarusian "Gadfly-R" with a sight PD-7. Photo Naviny.by

Combining different versions of the launcher and sights, Soviet and Russian designers have created a dozen modifications of the base RPG-7 with one or another feature. The later versions of the grenade launcher are compatible with the full list of Russian rounds - and have broad combat capabilities. Improvement process weapons and pomegranates are also carried out abroad, which adds to the general list of products.

Simplicity, low cost, efficiency, as well as the possibility of quick and easy modernization with an increase in the main characteristics helped the RPG-7 grenade launcher of all major modifications to become widespread throughout the world. This weapon has been in use for almost 60 years and is unlikely to leave the scene in the near future. One of the reasons for this may be new modernization projects - using the groundwork and renewal methods formed and tested in the past.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 6 August 2020 18: 09 New
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    Unfortunately, the author did not mention the Bulgarians. They also added variety to the ammo menu. By the way, the first fragmentation shots for RPG 7 appeared precisely with them.
    1. credo
      credo 6 August 2020 18: 40 New
      10
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, the author did not mention the Bulgarians. They also added variety to the ammo menu. By the way, the first fragmentation shots for RPG 7 appeared precisely with them.

      One thing worries me - Russia does not receive a dime from copywriters of domestic weapons.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 6 August 2020 20: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: credo
        One thing worries me - Russia does not receive a dime from copywriters of domestic weapons.

        Another good news: Russian military engineers are not standing still!
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 7 August 2020 09: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: credo
        Russia does not receive a dime from copywriters of domestic weapons.

        According to international law, it shouldn't. After a certain period of time, anyone, even a state or a private owner, has the right to release any product. For example, we are now completely legally entitled to release the M-16. request
      3. iouris
        iouris 7 August 2020 13: 47 New
        -3
        You meant the RF. What does the Russian Federation have to do with the USSR? We know it is very negative. So there can be no income from denying the USSR.
        1. Dzungar
          Dzungar 14 August 2020 16: 38 New
          +1
          To you, Putin clearly and clearly said - RUSSIA IS THE SUCCESSOR of the USSR ..
          1. Vasya Lozhkin
            Vasya Lozhkin 12 October 2020 16: 52 New
            -2
            Because Putin constantly throws mud at the USSR?
            1. Dzungar
              Dzungar 13 October 2020 07: 19 New
              0
              Where is Putin throwing mud at the USSR ...?
      4. Mordred79
        Mordred79 8 August 2020 01: 29 New
        +1
        Maybe because the term of protection for a patent is 25 years, and you want at least a thousand?
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 6 August 2020 18: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Unfortunately, the author did not mention the Bulgarians. They also added variety to the ammo menu. By the way, the first fragmentation shots for RPG 7 appeared precisely with them.

      Pakaistan, Iran, China also make their shots for RPGs.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 6 August 2020 19: 21 New
        +7
        Well, and the classic of the current Donbass)

        82 mm to the shot.
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 6 August 2020 20: 07 New
          +2
          It seems to me that such crafts became "classics" long before Ukraine.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 6 August 2020 22: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Well, and the classic of the current Donbass)

          82 mm to the shot.

          To be honest, this is a weapon for a terrorist attack, it is impossible to get out of it in such an arrangement, if the current is on the market
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 6 August 2020 22: 24 New
            +4
            This is an option to deliver a more powerful fragmentation ammunition to the enemy's trenches. And since it is used on both sides, as well as in Syria, then there is benefit from it.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 August 2020 18: 27 New
    12
    One of the most successful developments in the USSR. 60 years in the ranks. And there is no limit to perfection. On YouTube, videos are being played on the installation of 82 mm mortar mines on a regular "shot". Through the simplest adapter. True, there is no data about the range and accuracy of such a hybrid, but it flies towards the enemy - a fact ... It remains to make homing grenades for RPGs, and this will become a very, very popular weapon. And what the hell is not joking. Adjustable bullets are already there. wassat
    1. Borik
      Borik 6 August 2020 18: 33 New
      +9
      One of the most successful developments in the USSR. 60 years in the ranks


      There is a great deal of confidence that this RPG will still celebrate its 100th anniversary in service. ...
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 6 August 2020 21: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Borik
        There is a great deal of confidence that this RPG will still celebrate its 100th anniversary in service. ...

        Simple and reliable!
  3. polpot
    polpot 6 August 2020 18: 32 New
    +8
    It will easily reach 100 years, a wonderful thing.
  4. General failure
    General failure 6 August 2020 18: 34 New
    +5
    By the way, why not increase the caliber of the launcher?
    Increasing the diameter of the charge in the shank by one and a half times will increase the mass of propellant by about 2.5 times. That is, heavy grenades (thermobars, tandems) will be able to fly much further.
    1. Ilshat
      Ilshat 6 August 2020 18: 51 New
      +5
      It will no longer be an RPG-7
      1. General failure
        General failure 6 August 2020 18: 56 New
        +5
        Of course, this will be some other RPG.
        Although, the idea with the caliber is so obvious that it could not have occurred to the designers.
        And since they did not accept her, then there were reasons for that.
        1. Ilshat
          Ilshat 6 August 2020 20: 25 New
          +1
          Maybe the niche is already occupied by SPG-7?
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 6 August 2020 20: 38 New
            +3
            llshat (-), SPG-9 Spear. Caliber 73mm, weight 47,5kg (SPG-9DM 64,5kg), length 2110cm, etc.
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 6 August 2020 21: 04 New
          0
          This has been done a long time ago!
          +1
          Of course, this will be some other RPG.
          Although, the idea with the caliber is so obvious that it could not have occurred to the designers.
          And since they did not accept her, then there were reasons for that. [/ Quote]
          This has already given
    2. Free wind
      Free wind 6 August 2020 19: 51 New
      +1
      In principle, they did, or rather, they followed this path, the Americans made a Bazooka, about 50 mm, the Germans captured it, turned it in their hands, made a Panzershrek of 88 mm caliber, gave the yapas a look, they started off with type 4 or 5, 70mm, and then 90 mm. Probably it is possible, but it may not be necessary.
    3. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 6 August 2020 20: 03 New
      +9
      This will increase the mass of the grenade launcher and the shot. See three same RPG-29. The genius of the RPG-7 is precisely in the balance of power and mobility.
    4. Avior
      Avior 6 August 2020 20: 50 New
      +3
      Further there may be problems with accuracy
      We need a balance in this matter
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 6 August 2020 21: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: General Failure
      By the way, why not increase the caliber of the launcher?

      The caliber was increased ... and here ... (RPG-4/45 mm), and in Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Germany ... (45 mm) Similar 50-55 mm grenade launchers also appeared ... (for example, Finland ...) In Germany, the Panzerfaust-3 is in service with a 60 mm "caliber" (110 mm ammunition ...) But, for some reason, since the times of the USSR, the leading positions were held by the 40-mm RPG-7! True, on the "base" of the RPG-7, the 58-mm RPG-16 "Udar" with caliber grenades was developed and adopted for service! Many military men consider this grenade launcher to be the best in its "class"! It is believed that the next "step" towards increasing the "caliber" of over-caliber ammunition for grenade launchers, similar to the RPG-7, should be the transition to a caliber of 115-125 mm! But it is not clear how to do this with a 40 mm RPG-7! Has the RPG-7 approached the limit of its possibilities for improvement ?! In terms of increasing the caliber of grenades to the RPG-7! (Other opportunities for improvement remain!) Okay, there are experimental 125-mm grenades for "Panzerfaust-3" ... but there the caliber of the grenade launcher itself is 60 mm! Sometimes the thought flashes, and not to incarnate the RPG-16 and adapt it for 125-mm grenades, leaving at the same time the old caliber grenades ...
    6. tatarin1972
      tatarin1972 7 August 2020 11: 55 New
      0
      So they fly further if you remove the self-liquidator, in YouTube there are videos with "Banderlog creativity".
  5. paco.soto
    paco.soto 6 August 2020 18: 49 New
    +6
    Like the author.
    Even in his youth, ya wondered why the AK was, as it were, "officially canonized", and about the RPG - not a word from the political instructors. The weapon is ingenious. And now, for some reason, the tactical role of RPGs in the conflict in Donbass is hushed up, which stopped the Soviet tactics of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the use of armored vehicles.
    1. paco.soto
      paco.soto 6 August 2020 19: 14 New
      +1
      Laughing: people, keep the "drug addict" political instructor who is minus! Or, if you don’t ... then justify!
  6. Beregovic_1
    Beregovic_1 6 August 2020 19: 08 New
    +4
    In general, the grenade launcher itself has not been changed ... Sights and shots are being improved. An ingenious weapon. American attempts to improve ergonomics are mischief, as they are not technologically advanced and expensive. That is, it is not suitable for a mass army.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 August 2020 19: 49 New
      +5
      His entire range of shots will no longer cope with modern tanks.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 6 August 2020 20: 05 New
        +1
        Is that in the forehead. But they have not used it on the forehead for a long time.
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 6 August 2020 20: 22 New
          0
          You might think that someone will let you 200 meters up to the board ...
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 7 August 2020 08: 56 New
            0
            Not only will they let you in, but sometimes they will also drive up. Both the board and the roof ...
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 7 August 2020 17: 05 New
              +1
              Well, yes, well, and they will wait when you shoot ...
              1. Phoenix
                Phoenix 16 August 2020 10: 41 New
                0
                Believe it or not, in Tskhinval it somehow happened. Find on YouTube the stories of the surviving peacekeepers of the Russian Federation and local ones who were beaten by tanks in the city. Or watch on YouTube how the bombs sealed a whole column of Iraqi Abrams on a bridge in Iraq and poked at the sides at close range. Everything happens, the war is complicated and everyone dodges it as best they can.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 August 2020 21: 21 New
          +3
          Yes, at least where mounted combined screens dynamic protection layer-by-layer KAZ robotic machine-gun turrets reduces the effectiveness of this grenade launcher to a minimum.
          1. Phoenix
            Phoenix 16 August 2020 10: 44 New
            0
            How much does everything you describe cost? And how many shots from this grenade launcher? This is nonsense)) When they say that the cost of a weapon does not matter "because it saves lives," then they often forget that losses will in any case be and they need to be replenished. How many man-hours will it take to assemble such a miracle tank? Until the end of the war, you can't replace it ... This is not a T-34, which grew up in workshops almost in a day ...
  7. garri-lin
    garri-lin 6 August 2020 19: 17 New
    +2
    It's time to introduce the smart Belarusian sight in series. Or make your own analogue. And guided munitions. Or new fuses with LGSN and control planes for ordinary shots. The flexibility of application will increase many times over. Plus you need a combined concrete-piercing ammunition. Leading cumulative and main thermobar. The city is extremely useful. And taking into account the development of KAZ, a shot with interference will not hurt. So that when intercepted, it exploded and showered the tank with powder / aerosol that blocked the operation of the KAZ sensors.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 6 August 2020 20: 05 New
      +1
      So after all there are already different branches. Controlled, thermobaric.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 6 August 2020 20: 15 New
        0
        Compare the price.
    2. English tarantas
      English tarantas 6 August 2020 20: 12 New
      +4
      Hmm, out of everything you proposed, you can only do two things, a projectile with a fired lead charge and instead of your concrete-piercing usual hesh. The rest of the pampering, unreasonably expensive, at close range and from ambushes, standard sights and shells have comprehensive characteristics, in other cases it may not pay off.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 6 August 2020 20: 27 New
        0
        Hash is a little not that. It still explodes on the outside, although it produces a lot of concrete "shards" on the inside. But a thermobar with a precharge will fly inside and "burn out" the room much more efficiently.
        As for the managed ones, you need to look at the price. You can really try to do something inexpensive. Longer range accuracy will be improved. And on short ones it will be possible to hit "Through the window" and target specific vulnerable zones on the same tank. Plus, with an uneven crosswind, it is difficult to predict the demolition of the projectile. In the mountains in cities with dense buildings, this happens. LGSN will allow to level the drift. The only question is the price. The laser designator function on the scope will cost a penny. GOS with rudders, if they are not trying to make Wunder Wafer, should not be expensive either.
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 6 August 2020 23: 03 New
          +2
          Hesh the very thing, it will be lighter and more versatile, do not forget that grenades are carried by two men, and their knees already hurt. And the point is to make accurate weapons, at long distances there is an ATGM, for medium distances RPGs have sufficient accuracy, they get into the window, and if they don't, then it's okay, there is no need to go through the window. Also, do not forget that all these quirks remain on the battlefield in cases of quick death of grenade launchers and in the case when you have to throw all this stuff, because you need to quickly skimp (and the more things, including various grenades, the harder and It is more inconvenient to carry it) and in the case of the use of ammunition, which happens quickly. Also, all this complex good must be monitored and looked after and it must be in huge quantities, since RPGs are platoon-level weapons. There is no need to make a prodigy out of a reusable faustpatron. An RPG is needed for the infantry to have a "small cannon" controlled by 1-2 soldiers, so that the fighters can quickly destroy an area target, lightly armored / well armored, but vulnerable target and obstacles, without distracting other means once again, for everything else there is either small arms, or already more effective armored vehicles.
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 6 August 2020 23: 48 New
            -2
            The Belarusian Gadfly differs in weight from the usual RPG 7 by a couple of hundred grams. But it gives a lot of opportunities. The price issue is of course the main one. But sending soldiers into battle with weapons of the last century is also a crime. Greater accuracy at longer range has always been a priority in the army.
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 6 August 2020 23: 59 New
              +1
              A couple of grams, but you need to store it separately, it always sticks out somewhere, not broken, repaired. And after running 15 kilometers, these extra hundreds of grams will make themselves felt. At RPG firing distances, there are enough human eye gauges, but you can shove in a rangefinder, it's not so expensive, but again the same wind and that's it, but putting a weather station in the sight is already a little expensive.
              Greater accuracy at longer range

              Yes, at a distance of 1km + RPG turns into a mortar, at distances of 500m-1km you can use a range finder with a ball calculator (if there is a lot of money, but not a lot of them), we get closer and so. In general, more than 500m you can work with any light machine gun, and with a heavy machine gun you can bring an ATGM, and they will all be much more accurate than an RPG and with standard sights.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 7 August 2020 00: 25 New
                -1
                The whole world is improving accuracy at maximum range. The whole world is wrong. God bless the memory in the United States and someone else who has an overgrown Toli ATGM undersized. A missile without a seeker but with an inertial holdover unit on its original trajectory. Like the tornado in MLRS missiles. Such weapons are not afraid of the wind and the overall external influence and the price is not much more.
                1. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 7 August 2020 01: 25 New
                  +2
                  FGM-172 SRAW you mean him? So he is healthy, disposable and expensive ...
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 7 August 2020 10: 57 New
                    0
                    The fact that he is healthy and disposable is the business of the designers. Apparently they ordered this, so they piled it. But why dear is not clear.
                    1. English tarantas
                      English tarantas 7 August 2020 13: 37 New
                      0
                      Because ANN is a big and complex thing to manufacture, tea is not a radio. If made in a reusable version, then the projectile will still turn out not small, as well as the sighting system. And also (if I'm not mistaken) Shro's launcher has problems with power supply, since the RPG-7 needs to give a small impulse to the slip ring, and Shro needs to power up the ANN as well.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 7 August 2020 13: 55 New
                        0
                        ANN is neither big nor expensive nowadays. Solid state. The distances are small. The accumulation of error is not critical.
                2. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 7 August 2020 01: 28 New
                  +1
                  The whole world is improving accuracy at maximum range. The whole world is wrong.

                  NATO and next to them? The RF Armed Forces have no time for this and so there is where to spend money. And to distribute to each conscript all sorts of complicated and expensive things, well ... you have been in the domestic military registration and enlistment offices for a long time, you need to explain how many people are called up every year?
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 7 August 2020 10: 55 New
                    0
                    I'm not talking about conscripts, but about army soldiers. It is scary to trust modern conscripts and a machine gun. Or they will pinch the finger with the bolt, or drop it on the leg.
                    1. English tarantas
                      English tarantas 7 August 2020 13: 46 New
                      -2
                      but about the soldiers of the army.

                      Eh, my acquaintances are now serving, some are under contract, they buy elements of the uniform for their own money, they ask their relatives, the Ministry of Defense has clamped down on soldiers to give out a sufficient number of T-shirts, underwear, given that what is issued is worn out in a couple of months, I will not talk about socks. Where will the hi-tech quirks come from?
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 7 August 2020 14: 01 New
                        0
                        And ocht you twist. A conscript is a conscript. A contract fighter is a fighter. Conscripts will not be thrown into a meat grinder. And a professional in the same Syria will be glad to new opportunities.
                      2. English tarantas
                        English tarantas 7 August 2020 21: 43 New
                        -1
                        Conscripts will not be thrown into a meat grinder

                        Not funny joke.
                      3. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 7 August 2020 21: 48 New
                        0
                        I'm not kidding. Caucasus 90s and 00s is a shame of the military leadership. For this, not shoulder straps had to be removed, but heads. If it happens again, then the continent will really need to be changed. In Syria, this does not come to that. Although there are a lot of their own jambs.
      2. Ramon Merkader
        Ramon Merkader 7 August 2020 13: 14 New
        -1
        Sorry, but the RPG-7 weapon is not a platoon, but a squad, if my sclerosis does not change me
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 7 August 2020 13: 33 New
          +1
          This is my sclerosis, tupanul, it happens to me. Well, in general, the weapons of the squad, then even more so, we do not give out optics to machine gunners, but it is about the whole complex.
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 7 August 2020 13: 59 New
          0
          Sclerosis does not change you
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 6 August 2020 20: 49 New
    +2
    Shooter, there are already disposable RMG "Skid" (kuma + thermobar) and RPG-32 "Hook" against KAZ.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 6 August 2020 20: 57 New
      0
      What prevents to adapt the projectile from Skid to RPG 7? More precisely to the thermobaric shot to the RPG7 add the spent leader cumul and the fuse of the new type? And the Hook does not interfere. Just a double shot from one direction. Simple solution but short-lived.
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 6 August 2020 21: 16 New
        +2
        Shooter, You can modify the RPG-32 according to your principle, modify the first deceiving shot according to your proposal. Why don't they? - there is no (local) war against modern NATO technology, there is no need for our OboronProm to "move", and "private initiative" is punishable ... In principle, it makes no sense to complicate the shots for the RPG-7. I explain: the grenade launcher can only take a few shots with him and they will be the most "running" - kumas. For the assault on fortified areas or Aleppo, it is better to take disposable RShG, RMG, RPO ... disposable, which can be used by a simple fighter (several RPO, RMG and RSHG) to the squad, when and where to use they will figure it out on the spot.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 6 August 2020 21: 38 New
          -1
          The grenade launcher has a second number. Plus, with great pleasure, all who can from ordinary shooters carry shots to RPG, AGS, machine gun, etc., etc. And most often all this is carried in an infantry fighting vehicle, an armored personnel carrier. And by the way, compare the weight of the Skid and the thermobar to RPG 7. One goes to the beam.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 6 August 2020 21: 55 New
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            Shooter, RPG-7 crew - 2 fighters, 1) grenade launcher - RPG-7 itself + 2 shots + spare parts, 2) assistant grenade launcher - 3 shots, - Total 5 shots to RPG-7 - choose what you take ... from the squad can carry with them shots to the RPG-7, during the battle the grenade launcher or assistant will look for a fighter with the necessary shots? You can take spare shots to the BMP or armored personnel carrier - where will the grenade launcher be during the battle, and where is the BMP? - with the same success they can lie in the warehouse at the base. One-time RMG, RShG, RPO can be used by the one who carries it - shots to the RPG-7 can only be used by the one who has the RPG-7 ...
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 6 August 2020 22: 30 New
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              Well, let's say the calculation of RPG7 calmly carries 7-8 shots. Depending on the conditions and the enemy, the calculation chooses ammunition. If there is no armored vehicle, then why take cumuli? If opponents dug the city with tunnels why take fragmentation? The entire assortment will not be carried with you. There will be fraternized ammunition that will be useful in battle.
              The second number of the machine gun often runs for ammunition. I think the second issue of the grenade launcher will also not disdain if the life of colleagues depends on it. And by the way, it is quite difficult to shoot well from a grenade launcher. To train EVERY infantryman to shoot well is long, difficult and without constant practice is pointless. Forget it. RSHO is applied in salvo. Optimal for chemists. And in motorized rifle, a regular, well-trained grenade launcher is better.
              1. English tarantas
                English tarantas 6 August 2020 23: 13 New
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                If opponents dug the city with tunnels why take fragmentation?

                Yes, that's not even the point. A comrade offers a special ammunition - concrete-breaking character. But my other question is, where in dense buildings from RPGs it is possible to smash? Or non-stick priest. Or has it become safe to run out into open spaces in buildings?
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 6 August 2020 23: 59 New
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                  Shoots. With restrictions but shoots. For with pocket artillery it is always better than without it. I heard an almost identical phrase from the participants in the Georgian-Abkhaz, Karabakh and Chechen conflicts. "grenade launcher hunts for sniper sniper for grenade launcher".
                  1. English tarantas
                    English tarantas 7 August 2020 00: 03 New
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                    With restrictions but shoots

                    That's the point ...
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 7 August 2020 00: 27 New
                      +1
                      That is, if you really need to shoot and this can be done as efficiently as possible, is that bad? A sophisticated sight allows you to effectively realize even a small chance. And this life may depend.
                    2. English tarantas
                      English tarantas 7 August 2020 01: 30 New
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                      Best is the enemy of the good.
                      even a small chance

                      Fighting operations are solid small chances, and the fact that in those conditions there is a really small chance, it is a matter of fortune.
                    3. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 7 August 2020 10: 59 New
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                      Do you think that a good sight is the enemy of a weapon? Strange opinion.
                    4. English tarantas
                      English tarantas 7 August 2020 13: 39 New
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                      Do not juggle, I understand you are always right and cannot be wrong in principle. Well, it is not given to some people to understand aphorisms, so what to do.
                    5. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 7 August 2020 13: 58 New
                      +1
                      But your truth is infallible. An optional device that can be installed or not installed, you consider the enemy of good. A conscript can run with a regular RPG pro, and you can entrust a sophisticated sight
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 6 August 2020 23: 16 New
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        Shooter, I mean the path along which combat units begin to go when they go to war - the machine gunner carries the ammo on himself as much as he can (not less than 1000 rounds) without a second number, and the grenade launcher too - there will probably be one, ammo 4-5 shots how much will fit "behind your shoulders". About the possession of an RPG (one-time) - by the name "Hand-held Anti-Tank Grenade" - suggests that every soldier knows how to use such a "grenade", practically you need to get into the "window" or the nearest "bush" or tank. When the fighters are handed out the RPG-18 "Fly", they assume that they will use it point-blank when the fighters no longer have any other way out (although on such shots there is a limiter of the minimum distance of use 2 or 3 meters). My opinion is that RPO "Shmel" does not need RCBZ. I explain - in order not to bring next unprepared soldiers to the hot spot, it is better to distribute RPO to the fighters who are already in the "hot spot". In practice, RPO is used in settlements in order to get into the "window" of the assault building, in open areas - MLRS, mortars, artillery, TOS-1 "Buratino" ... About what is useful to the grenade launcher in battle - as an example of Syria, a fictional settlement occupied and fortified by the "bearded" - 1) on the approaches to the "city", a counterattack by "suicide bombers" can occur in an open area - fragmentation OG-7V is needed, 2) shahid-mobiles went to the attack, perhaps the thermobaric PG-7V is suitable, 3) the attack of the suicide bomber was supported by the T-55, then the "usual godfather" PG-7VM, S, L, 4) entered the "city", began to clean up the buildings, again we need PG-7V in each "window", 5) the campaign from around the corner a T-72 (trophy, bearded) drove out at you, then you will need a PG-7VR ...
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 7 August 2020 00: 08 New
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          The fact of the matter is that ordinary infantrymen can effectively use RPGs no further than at an average distance. Experience, practice is not enough. And that is why the grenade launcher is a separate specialty.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 7 August 2020 00: 24 New
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            Shooter, I'm talking about disposable RPGs that have an aimed firing range of 250m (RPG-26 "Aglen"), a direct firing range of 170m, that's enough for ordinary soldiers. For the RPG-7, they came up with sights - the optical PGO-7V3 for shooting up to 700m, for professional grenade launchers there are also "night lights" (night sights). I repeat: disposable RPGs, RPOs, RShGs, RMGs have been invented for ordinary fighters.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 7 August 2020 00: 30 New
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              Additional confirmation that the grenade launcher with his standard weapon is more effective. Longer range. Better if not flies and aglens are carrying shots to RPG 7. And then while crawling up to 170 meters all the skin will scratch.
            2. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 7 August 2020 20: 54 New
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              Shooter, according to your logic about "professionals" in the army, only PKM and SVD will remain in the squad - a machine gun and a sniper rifle hit further and more accurately, but AK is no longer needed? The AK has a direct aimed shot - 200m (on sight). Reminds the tactics of the "Czechs" in the Second Chechen - "troika" = SVD + PKM + RPG-7. RPG-7 hits armored vehicles, PKM crushes infantry with heavy fire, SVD knocks out single dangerous targets (the same enemy PKM). Tactics is good for "raids" - swooped down, shot, knocked out several vehicles, put some infantry and retreat. I repeat once again the RPG "Fly", "Net", "Aglen", "Tavolga", "Cranberry" were developed for ordinary infantrymen, so that in a squad in a tank-hazardous direction there was not one grenade launcher with an RPG-7, but 4-5 "grenade launchers" , which themselves will be able to knock out 1-2 tanks or other armored vehicles of the enemy. Also about RPO, RShG - so as not to look for and not wait for RPG-7 with special shots. But the RPG-29 "Vampire" was developed for professional grenade launchers, it also has an aiming range of 500m, and the firing range of the PG-7VR for the RPG-7 is 200m. Basically, you can continue your Shooter logic and equip the Grenade Launcher and his Assistant with disposable RPGs - we get TWO trained grenade launchers ..., and they can shoot from disposable RPGs carried by ordinary infantrymen, the shots are unified, just a replaceable "night light" and an optical sight .. The meaning of this "body movement" is to remove the "dead weight" of the RPG-7 itself - 6,3 kg, one-time shot and threw out the tubos.
            3. garri-lin
              garri-lin 7 August 2020 21: 43 New
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              The logic is just the opposite. Everyone does their own thing. And according to your logic, an ordinary submachine gunner in parallel must also be a qualified grenade launcher. Excessive burden on the soldiers. Tactics are complicated. Tactics should be flexible and adaptive. Adapt to the situation.
              Disposable grenade launchers are often used in salvo. RPG7 can't do that. But it can take part in a volley.
              But about the dead weight, I fundamentally disagree with you. Compare the weight of the cast piece and the total weight of the disposables and suddenly it turns out that 40 to 45 percent of the weight is the dead weight of the launcher. The department is more profitable than 6,5 kg RPG 7 and a bunch of shots. It will be easier. The same "cast" has 13 total and 8 ammunition. 5 kg dead weight launcher. Almost seven. So in the department it is best to combine RPG7 with the maximum number of shots and several disposable ones to increase the density of fire.
            4. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 7 August 2020 22: 33 New
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              "A variant of the MLRS from the RPG-7 - some aspects of the appearance and use" article on VO on August 26, 2019. Shooter pay attention to the Armenian N-2. I’ve already tried to explain to you the Shooter: Hand-held Anti-Tank Grenade - RPGs were created for ordinary infantrymen - RPG-6 were used by ordinary infantrymen, and not special "anti-tank grenade throwers". Faustpatron = RPG-18 "Fly" and the rest of the DISPOSABLE RPGs were created for ordinary infantrymen, for civilians who are "in the army for the first day." At a distance of 200-300m, all soldiers are "obliged" to get from the RPG into the tank, or from them and the AK must be taken and used as "donkeys". About the weight of RMG "Skid" - 8,5 kg, looked at several sites everywhere indicated the weight of 8,5 kg, the weight is indicated BRUTO - together with a tubos (which is just a cylinder made of waxed cardboard, like all disposable RPGs since RPG-18 "Fly") ... There is the GP-25 - it is put on a simple AK, a simple infantryman, has a sight for shooting with mounted fire, like a mortar - there is enough "brains" to shoot from the GP-25 "at a mortar".
            5. garri-lin
              garri-lin 7 August 2020 23: 04 New
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              Armenian invention is the one more .. .... don't understand what. C-8 would be much better. Shushpanzer mobrezerva of the third category ..
              It is clear that it is disposable for the infantry. Simple, reliable, etc., etc. How is this related to the presence or absence of a grenade launcher? What a trained gunner can do for an ordinary infantryman and Fly or Cranberry is not available.
              Weight RMG 8 or 8,5 ammunition. Gross weight 13. See Bumblebee and stuff. The launcher is not made of cardboard but of fiberglass. And it's heavy. The same excess weight that ruins the knees and spines.
              Can you hit the tank with a grenade launcher? From the first shot? From 200 metro? And the grenade launcher is obliged. Otherwise it will be bad. And first of all to himself. When the return line arrives.
            6. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 7 August 2020 23: 38 New
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              Shooter, what are the infantry soldiers taught in the Russian army? - to disassemble, assemble and clean the AK? Are there weapons in service with the army - intended for ordinary infantrymen - are they obliged to teach how to use or shoot and hit from the AK by themselves, soldiers learn? About "professional grenade launchers" - a conscript soldier in the "warrior" VUS - a grenade launcher, that's all "professionalism" - an ordinary conscript is appointed a grenade launcher. So they distribute the SVD in the platoon, well, they will see "who knocked out the most points" at the shooting range - so the "sniper" for the platoon has been found ... or will you say that the "sniper for the platoon" is undergoing a "special training course"? - during the annual conscription service? About the weight of fiberglass - fiberglass - 2,6 kgf / dm3, duralumin D1, D16 - 2,8 kgf / dm3, do you want to say that a pipe made of duralumin with a diameter of 105mm, 1000mm long will weigh 5kg? - although you did not talk about the thickness of the walls ...
            7. garri-lin
              garri-lin 8 August 2020 09: 44 New
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              An ordinary shooter trains with a standard weapon. Grenade launcher with grenade launcher. Sniper with a sniper. Any infantryman can fire any weapon. The question is how well trained he is with this weapon. Or do you think that every infantryman undergoes training equivalent to that of a grenade launcher. The sniper also trains with a sniper. And at the distances of its application. About the Google pipe to help. Weight is a lot where indicated.
            8. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 8 August 2020 20: 55 New
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              Shooter, about the weight of the "pipe" - diameter 105mm, length 1000mm, wall thickness 2mm, duralumin - 1,844kg - this result is obtained - "5kg" does not work ... About the possession of an RPG-7 infantryman is a common weapon, generally available, let him learn to own on the assessment "good" or that they cannot get into the tank, but they were called upon to wear "kumas" instead of donkeys into the army? About possession of SVD - let him learn to hit the chest target at 200m. In general, the following principle: what kind of weapon is in the platoon - how to use it and train it for "good", those that are supposed to be "excellent" according to the staffing table - INTERCHANGEABILITY.
            9. garri-lin
              garri-lin 8 August 2020 22: 14 New
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              Did you just serve? Have you seen the shot tube? Have you been banned from Google? The weight is even listed on WikiObonyPedia. For a fighter to shoot well, you need to shoot regularly. If all motorized riflemen regularly shoot from a grenade launcher, the state will go bankrupt. To learn by a tooth the table of amendments and the front sight in order to combine being able to do this is not shooting. Shooting is practice. And inserts for imitation will not help here. One expectation of recoil and sound knocks down the sight of an unprepared shooter.
            10. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 8 August 2020 23: 20 New
              +1
              Shooter, article "Industrial Ammunition Disposal: Is Russia Ready?" 11.04.2013/2009/2012 arsenal-otechestva.ru - briefly, from 6 to 000 in Russia, about 000 TONS of ammunition were disposed of by detonation. At one time, we saved carefully, today we will dispose of ... Today we will save on ammunition for training conscripts - tomorrow we will send this "mob reserve" to war ... About the consumption of ammunition for training tankers - for training they use 23mm shells and a tab for the barrel, understandably we save real BOPSs. Most of all in the warehouses of BOPS "Mango" (manufactured in 1986), today Mango "sour" - for modern NATO MBTs it is no longer dangerous (it will pierce the side). About training shots for RPGs - why not use large-sized blanks with a real propelling charge - we only use GUNPOWDER ... Again about the weight of the "pipe" - "Lost in three pines" ... About training conscripts - and what else are they "urgent" to deal with? - let them master weapons, and the service will pass faster. The state goes bankrupt - when it starts saving on the army ...
            11. garri-lin
              garri-lin 9 August 2020 11: 07 New
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              How much ammunition do you need to shoot to gain experience for a good assessment? How often should sessions be conducted to support this assessment? The main course is with simulators or electronic trainers. But actual shots are also needed. It is impossible to train EVERY infantryman to shoot well. The country will be ruined.
            12. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 9 August 2020 20: 24 New
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              Shooter, My opinion: a soldier-fighter learns to HIT A TARGET or ON SHELBINA or IN WAR ... what is your choice ... An article about shooting training in the us army - www.kalashikov.ru/medialibrary/926/bct-ait-cff .pdf - in short, in the US army they give 730 rounds of ammunition for training, is that a lot or not enough? ... Earlier, in the Red Army they taught "bayonet combat" - "lepota" for commanders and supply personnel - the Red Army man stabs day after day " vrazhinu "(stuffed animal with straw) no extra expense for cartridges, trained according to the norm, and in battle in a" bayonet attack "if they send anything ...
            13. garri-lin
              garri-lin 9 August 2020 20: 45 New
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              730 training rounds? What about maintaining a skill? The soldier learns to hit the target with the main weapon. And this is his main goal in training. At a time when the red army was trained in bayonet combat, small arms were taught at school.
            14. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 9 August 2020 21: 07 New
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              Shooter, then the conversation goes into the "plane" of reasoning how to recruit an army - "under a contract" or "for conscription" ... Today in the Russian army the army is recruited both by conscription and by contract. The conscript was "trained" for 730 rounds ... and demobilized, it is "no longer necessary" to maintain the skill. And since "broke on a contract soldier" then you will maintain the same skills. It all depends on the decision what kind of army we (Russia) want - "cheap draft" or "expensive contract". In the 90s, similar things have already happened on the example of aviation - the pilot was trained at the flight school, and in the combat unit - "they saved kerosene", and why spend, the pilot is already "trained to fly" ... Or you say - "... To teach EVERY pilot to fly well ... "Well, you can't teach EVERY infantryman to shoot well, but can you send to war? ... maybe he will learn in war?
            15. garri-lin
              garri-lin 9 August 2020 22: 32 New
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              It is possible and necessary to train each fighter for good and even excellent, in the main specialty. It is almost impossible and unnecessary to train everyone in several specialties. 730 rounds may be enough to train a shooter. And how many a shot from a grenade launcher is needed to teach the same shooter how to use a grenade launcher. And not just shoot in the direction of the target, but shoot effectively, in difficult conditions.
            16. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 9 August 2020 23: 03 New
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              Shooter, You can begin to deepen the dispute towards the question: And what weapon is an ordinary infantryman obliged to own? 1) Only the one that is written in the "warrior" and period. 2) Those that are in service with a platoon ... As an example of a GRANATE - it is not recorded in the "warrior", EVERY infantryman is taught to throw a grenade (even when it is in schools at the NVP lesson, if I am not mistaken), probably even a "grenade launcher" is taught. .. I have already spoken about the Anti-Tank Hand Grenade - RPG-18 ... 22, 26 ... By the name of the RPG-18 "Fly" - Grenade ... "Throwing an RPG-18 grenade" exactly at the target, the tank must or is not an infantryman obliged? In a simple way: an infantryman in a tank-hazardous direction can be given an RPG-18 (just as an example), and a fighter "not in a dream" knows how to use it, they did not teach him this in part, he is "not a grenade launcher", but a submachine gunner .. They will say "fathers-commanders", and "mother-sergeant" will confirm: "everything is written there on a pasted piece of paper - you will read it, you will learn" ... an infantryman - read it, shot at the tank as it is written, but did not hit ... practice was not enough ... Well, we saved on shots to RPG-7 and other RPGs, and "... If tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a campaign ..."? - will we study on the way or at the front?
            17. garri-lin
              garri-lin 10 August 2020 09: 01 New
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              And now you are starting to rewrite my words. You need to teach. But it is impossible to train EVERYONE to the professional level.
            18. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 10 August 2020 20: 47 New
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              Shooter, I'll try to make a comparison - "confident using a PC" = "confident using an RPG". An infantryman can have a VUS "grain cutter", but "confidently use" the weapon adopted by his platoon. I repeat once again the RPG-7 and the rest of the RPGs are not ATGMs and an infantryman needs to have them at the level of "confident use".
            19. garri-lin
              garri-lin 10 August 2020 21: 25 New
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              During my service, our mentor confidently hit a moving shield 7 × 2 meters from an RPG 3 at a distance of 400+ meters. Cumulative of the times of the USSR. Is this a normal possession?
            20. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 10 August 2020 22: 06 New
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              Shooter, My opinion - 200m - the aiming range of the RPG-18 "Fly" (replacement of the RKG-3 grenade), was specially developed for ordinary infantrymen, with "confident defeat" of the target of an infantry fighting vehicle or a tank. The meaning of the "training" is that the infantryman at 200m (+ 50m) "confidently hit" the tank from the RPG (7, 18, 22, 26 ...). "Confident use" - the infantryman in the unit is trained to wield an RPG and at the front can take an RPG, if necessary, without additional instructions and training, right during the battle and hit a tank or BMP, and not just shot "towards the enemy" (in case " the regular grenade launcher "lost his combat capability). RKG-3 - weight 1,07, it was supposed to be thrown at 18-20m, could be issued to every infantryman, and not only to the "grenade launcher" - "they made life easier" for the infantryman - they gave him an RPG, and the infantryman, what would say: "I will use this RPG I don't know how normally - give the good old RKG-3 ".
            21. garri-lin
              garri-lin 11 August 2020 11: 34 New
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              Well, I say you are altering it. Read my posts above and try to understand them. Otherwise, you are not arguing with me, but with arguments that you yourself come up with.
  • English tarantas
    English tarantas 6 August 2020 20: 22 New
    +2
    Alas, the RPG-7 can be upgraded essentially in one direction - to reduce its weight. Everything else concerns purely ammunition, which can also be limited by the design of the grenade launcher, or purely sighting devices, in this case we put a bar on the grenade launcher and its role in this matter is over. And the expansion of the range is a consequence of banal omissions in the adoption of the RPG-7 into service, identified already during operation (the need for warheads that please the infantry), or simply the improvement of cumulative warheads, which simply corresponds to the passage of time. Making guided projectiles with appropriate guidance systems based on the RPG-7 is pointless, it is better then to make specialized weapons. The RPG-7 at one time took its place and very tightly, as if the grenade launcher and the need for it were directly created for each other, the weapon is still relevant and will be relevant for a very long time, as long as its tasks will exist for it, but pull an owl on the globe is not worth it, given that the designers at one time did what no one can improve until now - there is no limit to perfection, but you can get closer to it.
  • tol100v
    tol100v 6 August 2020 21: 10 New
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    Quote: Beregovyhok_1
    American attempts at improvement

    The whole point boils down to just one thing: make more money on the deaths of strangers outside the states! That's their whole derfecalocracy!
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 6 August 2020 21: 32 New
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    Ways of development and modernization of RPG-7
    Make him ammunition "mini MANPADS" At short distances up to 500 meters. Flying on the heat trail. hi
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 6 August 2020 21: 52 New
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      Or with remote detonation. But only with "Smart sight" Yes, there you can really fantasize a lot of time. The "Platform" itself allows. Do it. There would be a desire.
    2. English tarantas
      English tarantas 6 August 2020 23: 07 New
      +1
      What for? Whom are you going to beat at 500m? Perhaps quadcopters. Then you need a shrapnel grenade (well, nonsense).
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 6 August 2020 23: 16 New
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        Quote: English Tarantas
        What for? Whom are you going to beat at 500m? Perhaps quadcopters. Then you need a shrapnel grenade (well, nonsense).

        Your idea is nonsense. yes "shrapnel" lolIn its purest form. If this is applied in the classic version. But what about the "Smart Sight" and remote detonation? bully Yes, this is a storehouse for use.
        Make him "mini MANPADS" ammunition
        Yes, this is again the "weapon of the poor" laughing
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 6 August 2020 23: 51 New
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          With a clever sight and remote detonation at a distance of 500m from the helicopter, you will die. I'm telling you who are we going to beat? A quadrocopter, so there will be enough standard sights for it, well, unless you can not see it from a mechanical one. And to beat the helicopter is better then according to the classics, with a Ray and without any smart sights, not the smartest people can cope.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 06: 39 New
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        An anti-helicopter shot was developed for the RPG-7 ... 100 mm .... "multinuclear" (12 small "shock cores")
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 7 August 2020 11: 46 New
          +1
          Can I have a link? It will be interesting to read.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 12: 39 New
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            MSHV - Multipurpose assault round is intended for firing from RPG-7 grenade launchers at lightly armored, quickly maneuverable ground and air targets: tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled artillery mounts and low-flying helicopters, as well as at concrete and living brick shelters of the enemy ...
            The principle of high-speed throwing of striking elements is used, formed from a metal cladding of a special profile when detonated projectile-forming charge warhead. Warhead options: 1.shock core, 2. a beam of damaging elements (12 "shock cores" ... against helicopters), 3. a penetrating grenade. The piercing grenade uses the Impact Core as the leader. "
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 13: 15 New
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              PS
              1. "U
              DARE NUCLEUS "2. BEAM OF" IMPACT NUCLEI "
              3.PENETING POMEGRANATE
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 7 August 2020 13: 53 New
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                Thank you.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 6 August 2020 21: 48 New
    +4


    there was such
    1. English tarantas
      English tarantas 6 August 2020 23: 09 New
      +2
      Horror, quiet horror) As in the ENT joke: "I don't need it to be clean, I need you for ...." Someone simply hates the private spine.
  • riwas
    riwas 7 August 2020 06: 05 New
    +1
    Interesting options for modernizing the RPG-7 have appeared in recent decades abroad.

    Well, yes, they can copy our RPG-7 grenade launcher, but what a howl will rise in the west if ours copy the Karl Gustav grenade launcher.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 06: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: riwas
      they can copy our RPG-7 grenade launcher, but what a howl will rise in the west if ours copy the Karl Gustav grenade launcher.

      Why copy Gustav? There is an RPG-32 "Hashim"! It will be better!
      1. riwas
        riwas 7 August 2020 09: 23 New
        +1
        The RPG-32 has a rocket shot in a large disposable container, while the recoilless Carl Gustav will have a smaller shot.

        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 11: 47 New
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          "Hashim" has a 105 mm (!) Rocket-propelled grenade ("rocket"! ...) "K. Gustav" in its "cartridge" - an 84-mm recoilless gun ... a propellant charge. ... You can also compare 122-mm artillery shells with 122-mm Nursa 9M22, S-13 ... Hashim has a plus ... multi-caliber! You can "slobber" any caliber up to 105 mm! By the way, in the RPG-32 it is possible to use "active-rocket" grenades, that is, with a sustainer rocket engine and a pulsed launch rocket engine ... Moreover, in this case, the use of "cartridges" as "simplified" disposable grenade launchers without a launcher is possible ...
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 7 August 2020 14: 55 New
            +1
            RPG-32 is redundant for the squad's grenade launcher. Carl Gustav is much better in this regard.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 7 August 2020 18: 23 New
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              Is RPG-32 with 73mm cartridges redundant? "K. Gustav" M4 ... weight-6,7 kg (M3 is heavier ...) ... shot weight is about 2 kg ... Total: well, let's estimate -8-8,5 kg; RPG-32 ... weight (PU) -3 kg ... with 73-mm cartridge-6 kg .... Where is the "redundancy"?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 7 August 2020 18: 55 New
                +1
                Something I forgot that it is a multi-caliber, somehow I only remembered the maximum version. KG M4 has a shot weighing more than 3 kg. Yet, as an advantage, the KG is rifled and the muzzle velocity of the grenade is higher.
  • Whowhy
    Whowhy 7 August 2020 11: 35 New
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    Probably, the next upgrade will be a programmable ammunition with a warhead a la "beam projectile" and a corresponding sight. fellow
  • Whowhy
    Whowhy 7 August 2020 11: 57 New
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    In principle, it can be done cheaper - setting the triggering time manually, on a remote fuse, like on shrapnel shells (Dyakonov's grenade), and there are a lot of rangefinders in the troops now ... Or make an electronic remote fuse powered by a thermoelectric element installed in a jet grenade engine.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 9 August 2020 14: 38 New
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    It's time for him to increase the range to 1 km. Then it will generally be a fire weapon!
  • Crabong
    Crabong 23 September 2020 18: 26 New
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    Great weapon. On the Internet, I saw how spooks hammer two hundred meters from the hip.
  • nonsense
    nonsense 15 October 2020 09: 38 New
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    the author makes the classic mistake of considering the RPG-7 simple and cheap. This is not true! The design of the grenade launcher itself and the shots (combined - active-reactive) is rather complicated. IMHO, the main disadvantages of the RPG-7 are paper (= wetted) expelling charges and the absence of shots for firing from premises (without the risk of frying on gases reflected from the wall behind).