TsNIITOCHMASH started mass production of pistols "Udav"

Serial production of the self-loading 9-mm pistol "Udav" developed by TsNIITOCHMASH has started in Russia, the Ministry of Defense has ordered the delivery of the first batch of serial pistols. This was reported by the Rostec press service.

The customer for the development of the pistol is the Russian Ministry of Defense. Earlier it was reported that the military department has begun trial operation of the Boa pistol in the army.

Work on the "Boa" complex (...) moved to the stage of mass production. This suggests that the armed forces have tested, made recommendations and suggestions for finalizing the rifle complex, which have been fully implemented by our enterprise. An order has been received for the first production batch (...)

- said the general director of TsNIITOCHMASH Albert Bakov.

The self-loading pistol "Udav" is a completely domestic development; only Russian components are used in its design. Among the patented technologies is the design of the magazine, which is an indicator of the number of cartridges, which, both visually and tactilely, allows you to determine a fully loaded magazine. The pistol uses two types of ammunition (increased armor penetration and silent firing), specially designed for it.

The 9-mm self-loading pistol SP has an effective firing range of up to 100 m, and is also capable of penetrating second-class personal protective equipment at a distance of up to 75 m. It remains operational in the temperature range from minus 50 ° C to plus 50 ° C. The weight of the "Boa constrictor" with a magazine (without cartridges) is only 780 grams, its length is 206 mm, and its height is 145 mm. Magazine capacity - 18 rounds 9X21 mm. Warranty pistol operating time - 10 shots

- said in the message of "Rostec".

Comments

[venik]

"...TsNIITOCHMASH started mass production of pistols "Udav".... "
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Interestingly, and what did the Ministry of Defense not suit the SR-1 "Vector / Gyurza"? Too heavy and difficult to manufacture?

[Kapkan]

Inconvenient.
Stupid trigger.

[Andrey.AN]

The first time you get on the bike, it is also uncomfortable.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Andrey.AN

The first time you get on the bike, it is also uncomfortable.

In your opinion, is it better to sit on an uncomfortable one and gradually get used to it, or get a comfortable one right away?

[Alexfly]

Walk!

[Mavrikiy]

- Tell me, is this a monument not to Queen Victoria ???? -Yes!!! - I never would have thought. (Raikin)
“Isn't this Glock?” “No. - And I had no doubts.

[Masha]

I definitely don't like the title ... he shoots or crushes ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Masha

I definitely don't like the title ... he shoots or crushes ...

Do you have "checkers", or go? Or just to pump?

[Masha]

not ... not that not another, Stepan ... TT, Makarov, Stechkin ... sounds! and here is some kind of "boa constrictor" ... and don't get me wrong ....... and excuse me in the latrine yet, I don't want to ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Maria, Yarygin's pistol (PYa) was also called for a long time by the name of the competition - "Rook", so even here it was "Boa constrictor", then by name.

[Masha]

Thank you Ivan! let's hope .... to my deep regret I can't put "+" ... I'm not rated ... but from me you + 100500 as they say ... past the checkout ...

[Reserve buildbat]

You're welcome)

[cat Rusich]

PK - Kozlov pistol ... is it more suitable? - the designer of the pistol "Boa" - Ivan Kozlov

[Kot_Kuzya]

I don’t understand at all why change the excellent PM for another pistol, and even with a different cartridge? As the experience of all wars shows, the pistol is the most unused weapon in the war; officers in the combat zone carry machine guns with them. A pistol for an officer is just a distinctive mark like a dagger for a naval officer. PM is a cheap, simple, trouble-free pistol, created after the war on TTT by officers who had gone through a bloody war and therefore perfectly understood what kind of pistol was needed for the army.

[TAMBU]

I completely agree. all the more on adrenaline from any pistol, only by putting the barrel to the head you can get hit, the rest is either the whole life of training or a case ... in the army of the first units, but with a case with a mass approach, jokes are bad ...

[Obliterator]

Quote: TAMBU

all the more on adrenaline from any pistol, only by putting the barrel to the head can you hit, the rest - or the whole life of training or an occasion ...

Speculation.

[TAMBU]

pfff ... of course, in a combat situation, what adrenaline ... from where?

[Obliterator]

Quote: TAMBU

pfff ... of course, in a combat situation, what adrenaline ... from where?

If adrenaline rush you in a combat situation so that you can't hit anyone but yourself, then you don't belong there.

[TAMBU]

no pistol. I won't. I will try only out of despair. it's not trap shooting. You wouldn't be too rude and think better of your place in battle. but as a rule such talkers as it comes down to it and you will not find them. but in your case, I have no doubt that with a pistol in a real battle you are a full-fledged combat unit. I'm just about the fact that there are few like you. you need to take care of the warriors. it’s like me the darkness - that there is an aircraft engine - finga, any plumber can handle it. so do not overdo it, take care of yourself.

[Obliterator]

Quote: TAMBU

no pistol. I won't. I will try only out of despair. it's not trap shooting. You wouldn't be too rude and think better of your place in battle. but as a rule such talkers as it comes down to it and you will not find them. but in your case, I have no doubt that with a pistol in a real battle you are a full-fledged combat unit. I'm just about the fact that there are few like you. you need to take care of the warriors. it’s like me the darkness - that there is an aircraft engine - finga, any plumber can handle it. so do not overdo it, take care of yourself.

I am not interested in your transition to personalities? For example, I did not stick out myself in any way, and I myself, most likely, will not get into a stressful situation properly. But at the same time, I know people who, not being highly trained shooters, in stressful situations, shot and hit. The average Russian police, for example, can hardly be called well-trained shooters, but they quite use weapons from year to year, even against criminals, even on the wheels of moving equipment, quite successfully.

[Alexfly]

Doesn't the hover bother you? What do you accept? What is the name of this remedy? Not 100 grams?

[alpamys]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

created it after the war by TTT officers,

with "Walther PP" copied and business, the difference is only one fuse box down, the other up

[saygon66]

- The Sauer 38n has a fuse similar to the PM ...

[Alexfly]

put two pistols side by side, disassemble and see how much they are identical, and then make such loud statements

[garri-lin]

Cartridge 9 × 21. It is very promising for both a pistol and a submachine gun. Plus a much greater modernization potential. For a pistol, it is a little redundant, but for a PP it is almost ideal. Ammunition unification. It's time to change PM. And if, at the same time, create a modernization potential for 50 years, then this will be ideal.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Why do you need a PP if there is an AKS-74U?

[Couchexpert]

The PP is needed for those who need the PP, and the AKS-74U is needed only by its manufacturers and cops-PPP-nicknames (you still won't have to shoot).

[Obliterator]

Quote: CouchExpert

and cops-PPS-nicknames (you won't have to shoot anyway).

They don't need it either. Therefore, it is gradually changed to PP.

[Doliva63]

Quote: CouchExpert

The PP is needed for those who need the PP, and the AKS-74U is needed only by its manufacturers and cops-PPP-nicknames (you still won't have to shoot).

What nonsense! You seem to have never had anything to do with the army? So that you know - from AKS-74U, the UKS exercise for 7,62 AKMS and 5,45 AKS, RPKS is just as easy! An irreplaceable weapon for all types of specialists (but you don't know who specialists are in the army, do you?). There were, of course, defective units, but for the most part - a cool thing.

[garri-lin]

Well, not a fountain cannon. Not a fountain at all. Does not allow the implementation of the cartridge. Noisy. Heavy. There are many cons. Of the advantages, only ammunition unification.

[venik]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Why do you need a PP if there is an AKS-74U?

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Don't you guess?

[VIP]

In fact, even before the Second World War, they wanted to change the TT for another pistol, but did not have time.
PM-German Walter PPK. In 1945, Beria saw this pistol in Germany and liked it very much. Beria began to bother to create an analogue in his image

[cat Rusich]

They wanted to replace the TT before the Second World War, trials in March 1939 won - PV - Voevodin pistol, empty weight 930g, length 230mm, 18 cartridges 7,62x25mm TT, rigid locking of the barrel with its short stroke. Produced 500-1500 pieces, the Second World War began and all work and projects to replace TT were curtailed.

[Obliterator]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Why change a wonderful PM for another pistol, and even with a different cartridge?

Then, that progress does not stand still, well, PM, for all its advantages, is not at all devoid of disadvantages.

[Kot_Kuzya]

And what are the disadvantages? In my opinion, only the inconvenient store latch from the bottom. A magazine for 12 rounds is quite enough.

[garri-lin]

PM and PMM are different weapons. But it is strange that the PMM did not become widespread. Although with a reinforced cartridge, it looked very good today.

[alex aircraft]

The PMM cartridge is forbidden to use with PM because of the danger of destruction of the structure. Maybe that's why it didn't work. You can't shoot with a reinforced cartridge from the PP cedar, only from the PP wedge.

[garri-lin]

That is why I say that different weapons. If 25 years ago he went widely into the series and replaced the PM everything would be different. But now it is too late to implement it widely.

[Kot_Kuzya]

The reinforced cartridge was never adopted, more precisely, it was accepted, but not released, since there is a danger that this cartridge will be fired from the PM, which will lead to its breakdown and injury to the shooter.

[garri-lin]

A quarter of a century ago, it was necessary to switch from PM to PMM. Now it's too late.

[Alexfly]

The CZ-82 was just produced under the PM cartridge, the Czechs themselves (understand correctly) made this cartridge with a larger weight of gunpowder, I believe by 20%. Probably PMM now.

[garri-lin]

Good car for now. But if you adopt something modern. That one of the requirements should be the prospect of modernization.

[Andrey VOV]

And when in the PM there was a store for 12 rounds ???

[alex aircraft]

PM 8 rounds PMM 12 rounds

[carstorm 11]

has long been. from the early 90s or so

[Andrey VOV]

Well, then it was necessary to write, a hundred at the PMM ... and the good old PM is 8 pieces, and a spare clip in a holster))) but during my service for 12 rounds I never saw it, even when they were going on a business trip and fired from all that is possible, it was not

[Obliterator]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

And what are the disadvantages? In my opinion, only the inconvenient store latch from the bottom. A magazine for 12 rounds is quite enough.

Isn't that enough? And yes, he has 8 rounds in the store, not 12, and this is not enough by modern standards. PM is a purely police weapon, it is not enough for the army.

[cat Rusich]

Kuzma Kuzmich, for the PM there is a replaceable pad on the PM handle - inside there is a mechanism for changing the magazine with a button for the thumb of the shooting hand (price in the online store is 3520 rubles). Israeli firm Fab Defense.

[Keldysh Mstislav]

At one time, the officers were very dissatisfied with the PMm. The photo shows an X-ray. And this person survived ... (I can not attach a photo ..).

[White AK]

PM has been used for a long time, this is archaism in all respects, for the army a weak cartridge, zero ergonomics, it is very difficult to shoot effectively without gloves in heat and cold, and it is stupidly outdated by about 30 years

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

why change a beautiful PM for another pistol

You still remember the excellent "Mosin's three-line". The hell out of inventing something better.

[VIP]

At my acquaintances I got into a conversation with the captain-cop, ugh the police, and he did not speak in print about Yarygin: the store can break down, but in
such a gun?

[CommanderDIVA]

I was surprised by the weight of the "Boa", without cartridges only 780 g, PM 730 g, Yarygin generally 950 g, while the "Boa" 18 charger in contrast to the PM, in my opinion a good army pistol, but I was holding Lebedev's pistol, more ergonomic no one has a pistol grip

[Bad_gr]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

I was surprised by the weight of the "Boa", without cartridges only 780 g

Polymer housing

[saygon66]

- It's interesting to look at the standard holster for this device ... With such sighting devices, you definitely can't put it in your pocket ...

[Obliterator]

Quote: saygon66

- And the Boa constrictor - my deepest condolences to those who, on duty, will be forced to carry this "fool" on themselves ...

Quote: saygon66

It is interesting to look at the standard holster for this device ... With such sighting sights, you definitely can't put it in your pocket ...

Well, in general, everything is learned in comparison. It's just that people are accustomed to a compact, well-suited PMU, which is a weapon for the police. After him, of course, many, though foreign, even domestic pistols seem too bulky. But this is exactly until the moment when some healthy American revolver weighing per kilogram, and a barrel length one and a half times longer than the PMV one, with which some units of the American police were on duty in the second half of the twentieth century, falls into the hands. I happened to hold one such Colt Trooper in my hands - a fierce, well-made, well-made cannon, after which the PM looks like a toy pistol. Owners of such civilian weapons, I would be very jealous, but as a service one - God forbid. And someone wore it for years.

[saygon66]

-I agree! Nevertheless, as soon as the opportunity arose to change the weapon to a lighter and more compact one, they immediately took advantage of it ... Even on a person of average height and weight, the same PYa looks impressive!
- And then - Podbyrina's pistol drives!

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Return TT, or buy Glock

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn

Return TT, or buy Glock

TT is only needed by collectors. Weapons of the last century.

[saygon66]

- Why? Is ergonomics suffering? So this is fixable ... "Boa constrictor", by the way, works on the same Browning system ... as TT. But why are such dimensions?

[Marconi41]

Quote: saygon66

- Why? Is ergonomics suffering? So this is fixable ... "Boa constrictor", by the way, works on the same Browning system ... as TT. But why are such dimensions?

TT has a lot of disadvantages, I don't even want to list. Very critical for a modern pistol.

[saygon66]

- Perhaps ... I liked it ... Both 7.62 mm and 9 mm.
- And the Boa constrictor - my deepest condolences to those who, on duty, will be forced to carry this "fool" on themselves ...

[Alexfly]

Marconi41, I would like to know which ones, please specify? Except for the button and the lack of self-winding ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: AlexFly

Marconi41, I would like to know which ones, please specify? Except for the button and the lack of self-winding ...

If you've ever used it, you yourself should know. Yes, at least its fuse, to what you have already named. It's just awful. And God forbid you to drop it on a platoon. There is also a breakdown of the trigger ... In general, there is a lot of everything that is unacceptable for modern weapons.

[Alexfly]

And who makes you go from place to place in the shooting range with a cartridge in the table and stuffed with adrenaline? I have been using it for another 34 years and there were no problems, I didn't even fall out of my hands ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: AlexFly

And who makes you go from place to place in the shooting range with a cartridge in the table and stuffed with adrenaline?

Excuse me, but I used the weapon not only in the shooting range.

[Alexfly]

And you won't be that far from the truth ....

[alex aircraft]

So the epic with the Yarygin pistol ended ingloriously? and who will be responsible for the money spent? and by the way, they haven’t been doing aks 74u in Tula for a long time. Instead Izhevsk churns out like 105, but there are almost none in the army.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Alex aircraft

So the epic with the Yarygin pistol ended ingloriously?

And thank God. Amen.

[Mountain shooter]

Eh, to shoot. I fired from Glock, fired from PM, GSh-18 (I liked the most) fired, TT, Colt 1911 .... But I didn't get it from Gyurza. Well, of the latter, Lebedeva, and Udav. Not available yet. A pistol is such a thing. He loves you (and you love him) and as an extension of the hand ... or not. Everything matters - height, hand size, features of physical development ... So what to discuss? If there are a lot of shooters, there will be a normal opinion. The theory here does not correlate well with reality ...

[Pamir]

The opinion is not imposed, just personal, the Margolin pistol has not yet surpassed any in accuracy. In terms of destructive power, the options are the APS pistol or GSh18.
Margolin, the ergonomics are pleasant, unambiguously, a pistol that is phenomenal in accuracy. A click, a little louder than air, you can forget about the recoil. Margolin is a pistol of athletes, they won gold many times. But there is an opinion that it was used in business, namely that Margolin performed the highest measure during the times of the USSR, there is almost no blood, the skull and brains are NOT shattered, all the same small caliber 5,6mm, and the accuracy is abound. But from him and from 25m the accuracy is amazing.
The APS has the ability to conduct automatic fire, which is a big plus in a critical situation, destructive power, too. It is not for nothing that they love it in special forces.
The GSh has a pleasant ergonomics, the kinetic speed of the bullet is more than 650m / s, it is almost a rifle one ... Not every armor can withstand, even if the armor does not pierce, it will beat off the internal organs, cutting out the body for some time. innovative.
Others have not tried, I can not say the opinion is not against, not for. The law enforcement agencies and the Ministry of Defense, apparently the issue is in lobbying interests. If, for example, we had the fifth amendment to the constitution as in the United States, then Margolin and GSh- 18. But it's ideal that we don't have it, even a poker shoots once every ten years. For civilians, this is superfluous. The weapon may end up in the wrong hands.
Opinion about pistols is purely personal, NOT an axiom.

[saygon66]

- The fifth amendment to the US Constitution states that a person. accused of a crime has the right to trial, etc., etc.

[Pamir]

Excuse me, but what does this give? Let the second amendment, and we have a problem? In the numbers of amendments?

[saygon66]

- In general, no ... Confused!

[Pamir]

And by the way, why AKSU? For a long time there are submachine guns, for example, the native AEK-919 "Kashtan"? I didn’t shoot, but according to the characteristics it was very, even nothing.

[Adimius38]

when will they be on the shelves?

[Alexfly]

To begin with, we would make a civilian version, launch it at shooting ranges or sports shooters, eliminate all childhood diseases, and then production, again on the rake ... as with Yarygin, a lot of pancake, pancake, little boom-boom. . until now, massively in the troops ...

[Alexfly]

Probably, with such sighting devices, you will have to acquire a plastic or wooden holster, otherwise it will completely tear off everything ..

[Alexfly]

A simplified for civilian user "Gyurza" is not done?

[stroybat ZABVO]

Hi hi
The "sights" of this pistol, judging by the photo, are, uh ... big. Aiming clearly with this weapon is better, but what about ..... cling? There is a whole sect of people who like to put them in their pants for a belt .... for an elastic band.