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SpaceX's Fifth Attempt to Raise a Prototype Spacecraft for Mars Missions Was First Successful

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SpaceX's Fifth Attempt to Raise a Prototype Spacecraft for Mars Missions Was First Successful

In the United States, SpaceX's Starship SN5 prototype spacecraft was successfully tested. According to Space.com, the prototype made its first successful flight.


Starship SN5 tests traditionally took place at the SpaceX test site in the Boca Chica area of ​​Texas. During the test, the ship climbed to a height of 150 meters, moved to the side and made a successful landing. It is noted that this test, the fifth in a row, was the first successful for the Starship prototype. Previous takeoff attempts in November 2019, in February, April and May of this year, ended in failure.

Mars flight prospects look real

- commented on the tests Elon Musk.


As previously stated by Musk, the final version of the Starship will have a height of almost 50 meters, a mass with a full load of fuel - 1400 tons. Equipped with 37 Raptor engines, it will be able to launch up to 150 tons of load into orbit or transport up to 100 people.

The Starship spacecraft is set to become the largest and most cargo-carrying manned spacecraft in stories. The main purpose of this ship is to deliver colonists to the moon and Mars. In the Starship Super Heavy version, it will be more powerful and heavier than the NASA Saturn V rocket, which delivered the Apollo astronauts to the moon.

The company planned to start commercial flights on Starship in the 2022 year.
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  1. Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 5 August 2020 10: 47
    74 th
    Well, what will the patriots of bast shoes and cabbage soup say? or palaces and yachts of other fornication?
    1. andranick
      andranick 5 August 2020 10: 53
      41
      I will answer that there is no need to roll a barrel on sour cabbage soup.
      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 5 August 2020 10: 55
        55 th
        Cabbage soup is good if you cook it without the participation of our government, or even ruin it ...
        1. andranick
          andranick 5 August 2020 10: 58
          32
          Do you see Poo in the kitchen too? Maybe this is a reason to cross yourself or go to a psychotherapist.
          1. Comrade Michael
            Comrade Michael 5 August 2020 10: 59
            56 th
            Do you understand me. And there is no need to hide behind red stars, Mr. fan of the rotten system.
            1. Kart
              Kart 5 August 2020 11: 02
              35
              You won't succeed, fan of the Maidan.
              Soon people like you will be kicked in real life.
              You start to get bored.
              1. Comrade Michael
                Comrade Michael 5 August 2020 11: 05
                47 th
                This is a dumb manipulation. Nobody wants to work and does not know how. But everyone, like parrots "Maidan and the orange revolution" repeat ... This is all for fools.
                1. Kart
                  Kart 5 August 2020 11: 08
                  31
                  That's it.
                  Maidan and the Orange Revolution are for fools.
                  They are made by their hands.
                  Your posts confirm this as well as possible.
                2. andranick
                  andranick 5 August 2020 11: 09
                  21
                  Have you even reached the middle of the training manual? Or just at the beginning?
          2. Yaro Polk
            Yaro Polk 5 August 2020 11: 33
            10
            It is especially funny when the pan-headed beggars are still talking about it.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 5 August 2020 11: 02
        24
        What can I say here? It is good that the fifth test is successful, but in principle dozens if not hundreds of accidents and failures await them. It cannot be otherwise in such a case.
        1. Kart
          Kart 5 August 2020 11: 09
          21
          Road going by walking.
          For humanity as a whole, this is extremely beneficial. If the USA has the money for this, let them go this path of pioneers.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 5 August 2020 13: 02
            10 th
            Quote: Carte
            If the USA has money for it

            Nothing. Not coming soon. In the USSR in 1988, there was still money, but the Buran project was cut down.
            1. Dangerous
              Dangerous 5 August 2020 14: 52
              +9
              this is "soon" we are 20 years old promises, and the United States still does not end and does not end
              1. Vladimir B.
                Vladimir B. 5 August 2020 16: 45
                21
                And they will promise at least another 12 years. Although I really want to see the end of the United States, I just dream.
              2. orionvitt
                orionvitt 5 August 2020 17: 29
                +1
                Quote: Dangerous
                everything never ends and never ends

                Only cats will be born quickly. Interestingly, there will be no USA, for whom will you pray? laughing
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 6 August 2020 04: 12
                  +4
                  When one's achievements are very modest, or they simply do not exist, all that remains is to wish that the neighbor's cow dies. A lot of petty, spiteful and envious people who cannot be happy for others.
                  1. Sly
                    Sly 6 August 2020 07: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    A lot of petty, spiteful and envious people who cannot be happy for others.

                    Do you write your comments ahead of the locomotive? I have not yet had time to notice that someone responded negatively about this, but your comment has already appeared ...
        2. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 5 August 2020 11: 13
          +3
          This is not the fifth trial, but the fifth ship.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 5 August 2020 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: Comrade Michael
      Well, what will the patriots of bast shoes and cabbage soup say? or palaces and yachts of other fornication?

      What can I say, Musk is a fine fellow, in the end he will realize everything that was conceived. And his goals are serious, although they seem fantastic.
      1. stalki
        stalki 5 August 2020 11: 53
        -6
        Let it take off and fly first. And then we'll sing deferambo wink
        1. Vladimir B.
          Vladimir B. 5 August 2020 16: 46
          26
          Something tells me that it will take off and fly.
          1. stalki
            stalki 5 August 2020 18: 43
            -3
            Well, let's wait for the finest hour wink but then ... and then suddenly there will be "soup with a cat" and no one prompts me anything, I'm used to believing only real facts and time-proven achievements. I would rather not say anything about how much money is actually allocated for this project. With such finances, we would have been flying between the stars for a long time laughing laughing laughing
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 6 August 2020 04: 14
              +1
              Quote: stalki
              Well, let's wait for the finest hour
              A year ago, the same was said about the flight of the Crew Dragon with people on board.
              1. stalki
                stalki 6 August 2020 07: 59
                0
                Have you read the comment further? And then somehow selectively think laughing
            2. Varyag71
              Varyag71 7 August 2020 09: 44
              0
              Finance is singing romances. Or rather, they go to the support of beloved officials by patriots
              1. stalki
                stalki 7 August 2020 11: 16
                0
                Finance is singing romances. Or rather, they go to the support of beloved officials by patriots
                And, well, how can we do without worn-out political accents and manuals? Of course included, all included laughing laughing laughing
                I will not feed with minuses.
          2. ZAV69
            ZAV69 6 August 2020 00: 13
            0
            It's too early to build colonial transports.
          3. Nosgoth
            Nosgoth 10 August 2020 17: 55
            0
            Something tells me that the flight was accompanied by an abnormal situation, namely, an engine fire (it is clearly visible in the video that a fire occurred above the nozzle, where the tracks go). If the flight lasted a little (for 30 seconds, for example), it would have exploded noticeably, and right in the air. Take a closer look at the video.
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 5 August 2020 10: 55
      +2
      Will they tell you, such an advanced person who is not in sandals and does not eat cabbage soup, or at all? What they say is generally difficult to guess, what they will tell you is easy to guess, but it is indecent to voice. hi
    4. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 5 August 2020 11: 58
      -1
      they will say that you are not a very smart person and troll
    5. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 5 August 2020 12: 09
      +4
      Quote: Comrade Mikhail
      Well what will the patriots of bast shoes and cabbage soup say?

      This is a great achievement to lift an engine with a fuel tank into the air, to a height of one hundred meters, hurray Musk almost on Mars.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 5 August 2020 13: 18
        10
        Musk has experienced the model, and some already have incontinence of boiling water. laughing
      2. AUL
        AUL 5 August 2020 15: 30
        +4
        Quote: mikhailovich22
        This is a great achievement to lift an engine with a fuel tank into the air, to a height of one hundred meters, hurray Musk almost on Mars.
        Musk has experienced the model, and some already have incontinence of boiling water.

        Oh, something that reminds me of ... wassat
      3. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. 5 August 2020 16: 51
        26
        Quote: mikhailovich22
        hurray Musk is almost on Mars.

        Meanwhile, the American spacecraft Crew Dragon with astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley successfully landed on the water in the Gulf of Mexico ... Musk's trampoline turns out to be working ...
        1. stalki
          stalki 5 August 2020 18: 49
          -5
          Meanwhile, the American spacecraft Crew Dragon with astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley successfully landed on the water in the Gulf of Mexico ... Musk's trampoline turns out to be working ...
          It must have happened, so many years after the advice the sasha finally launched her into space, for a long time they came up with a bicycle.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 6 August 2020 04: 16
            +2
            They came up with a completely new ship, abandoning the old ones, and do not exploit the developments of the 60-70s, as we do with the Union. By the way, Musk himself spoke about this.
            1. stalki
              stalki 6 August 2020 08: 05
              0
              They came up with a completely new ship, abandoning the old ones, and do not exploit the developments of the 60-70s, as we do with the Union. By the way, Musk himself spoke about this.
              Well, a bike with a motor and an autopilot is certainly better than without, I do not argue laughing especially gold.
            2. mikhailovich22
              mikhailovich22 6 August 2020 11: 06
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              They came up with a completely new ship, abandoning the old ones, and do not exploit the developments of the 60-70s, as we do with the Union.

              Brand new with Russian docking system
              1. viktor_ui
                viktor_ui 9 August 2020 12: 47
                0
                There is no Russian docking system there ... AND THERE IS A RUSSIAN ADAPTER at the ISS docking port. There is no need to drive a blizzard and match the functional-size-mass of this adapter with all the remaining mechanisms of the docking station. And this is a link for you, where everything is clearly visible and readable. Although this is a joint work and I'm glad of it.
                https://www.nasa.gov/feature/docking-adapter-sets-stage-for-commercial-crew-craft
                1. mikhailovich22
                  mikhailovich22 9 August 2020 16: 36
                  0
                  Quote: viktor_ui
                  There is no Russian docking system there ...

                  The docking block was manufactured by Boeing based on the APAS-75.
                  1. viktor_ui
                    viktor_ui 9 August 2020 18: 17
                    0
                    ADAPTER ... not the docking station itself. It’s like to say that the cosmos is the basis and the beginning of the beginnings of the space module as a whole.
                    1. mikhailovich22
                      mikhailovich22 10 August 2020 13: 52
                      0
                      Quote: viktor_ui
                      ADAPTER ... not the docking station itself. It’s like to say that the cosmos is the basis and the beginning of the beginnings of the space module as a whole.

                      I understand that the adapter is not the entire docking station.
        2. businessv
          businessv 5 August 2020 21: 04
          0
          Quote: Vladimir B.
          Musk's trampoline is working ...

          Aha, in the image of NASA! Well done, finished to success. Who knows what kind of engine is on the prototype and how the device is positioned? The engine (nozzle) in the video deviated significantly from side to side.
    6. Bomb
      Bomb 5 August 2020 12: 44
      12
      You can't take us flat-earthers with such fakes =)
    7. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 5 August 2020 13: 33
      -2
      Quote: Comrade Michael
      Well, what will the patriots of bast shoes and cabbage soup say? or palaces and yachts of other fornication?

      Are you, dear "comrade" from barons, marquises, counts, French aristocrats? Do not eat cabbage soup, your ancestors did not wear bast shoes ... Odekolon, broth, boots! So there is a Marquis ... Aglitsky ... By God, the French Marquis, whose baron is German! Z Zhmerinki comes from ..
    8. mister-red
      mister-red 5 August 2020 20: 41
      -2
      Strongly reminded of the start of the FAU-2. From this prototype to space flight is about the same time as from FAU-2 to Vostok-1. In the 20s, it will not fly to Mars or the Moon.
    9. businessv
      businessv 5 August 2020 21: 03
      0
      Quote: Comrade Mikhail
      or palaces and yachts of other fornication?

      Comrade! Your turns of speech cause cognitive dissonance in our chat community, so please be more specific! Regarding palaces and yachts, I can state that hardly any of those present will be able to refuse them, especially for nothing, but how they are tied to "other fornication" is incomprehensible to me! I would not refuse real cabbage soup from sauerkraut, but again your connection of this dish to patriotism is incomprehensible! It is necessary, comrade! (C)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 August 2020 22: 14
        +1
        We will cook and eat cabbage soup in autumn, winter. Now the cabbage is not suitable, the late one is better. We read, why is green soup bad ???
        At the expense of the flight.,. there is still a long way to go, before the first "serial" flight!
        However, it was interesting to see how the automatic orientation of this "stupa" worked !!! Of course, the speed is low, the inertia is not great, the "stupa" is empty, there is only one mover, so there is no friction in thrust ...
        When they will fill it up to the kit and test it ... if it also flies, this will be aerobatics, but for now ... like Baba Yaga on a stupa, only the broomstick was not visible!
    10. vVvAD
      vVvAD 6 August 2020 01: 36
      -1
      Rockets are an interesting thing, but for space exploration outside of near-earth space, they are futile: you know that the Americans are going to send suicide bombers to Mars - will you fly? And there is not enough fuel for more. And it cannot be enough with such an approach.
      And reusability is only about flights to orbit and the Moon, where gravity is low.
      The trick is that the Americans do not have the working technologies of ionic or other engines suitable for deep space exploration. It's not for you to assemble a rocket - here fundamental research is required before design research.
      Ideally, horizontal launch and orbital assembly. I can assume that future versions of Skybot may have similar functionality.
      So, in a sense, even Rogozin is right about the trampoline: maximum flights to orbit and the moon. The rest is advertising or suicide.
      On the whole, of course, it is unpleasant that the Americans are ahead of us in the commercial exploration of orbit, but for the good of space exploration, the lag is not critical.
    11. demos1111
      demos1111 6 August 2020 08: 09
      0
      And what is your answer?
      You are most likely zombified and you are unlikely to hear me, but still I will try.
      Tell me, why did James Raymond arrange a meeting at the UN? Imposing a treaty!
      You probably do not understand when the Anglo-Saxons impose a treaty in the space sphere. When they are strong, they come out of contracts. This is me about the satellite inspector space 2543. There is a lot of information, read on.
      Further about the avant-garde system, I do not know when the states will release something like that. It's just that everyone has different priorities, Putin rightly said, it is necessary to ensure safe development, which in principle he does methodically. They will ensure safety, believe me, they will also deal with missiles.
      And almost in the subject. As soon as they understand that security is ensured, do you think they will deal with "gifts from the Russian people" or not?
      I think a good half of the Belarusian and Ukrainian partners got goosebumps from these words. No one will help them.
    12. Varyag71
      Varyag71 7 August 2020 09: 26
      0
      Judging by the comments, there are a lot of Kremlin patriots
  2. For example
    For example 5 August 2020 10: 47
    0
    Tin.
    The sectarians are applauding.
  3. Perseverance
    Perseverance 5 August 2020 10: 48
    +4
    Like 10 years ago .... Then they laughed, the result is already visible. You can keep laughing ... with the hope that they will fail.

    And if it works out?
    1. Kart
      Kart 5 August 2020 11: 03
      12
      Well and good.
      By and large, what difference does it make who comes first? In general, it is useful for humanity.
      For the rest, the reason will catch up.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 5 August 2020 12: 00
      0
      what else to do? only laugh
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 5 August 2020 14: 13
        -1
        what else to do? only laugh

        Alas, this laugh at myself.
      2. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. 5 August 2020 16: 53
        22
        You can and should laugh. But the main thing that we need is to develop our space program.
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 5 August 2020 14: 51
      +3
      And if it works out?

      I really want them to succeed, but this does not mean that you have to shit on your country and your designers, including those who run them.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 6 August 2020 04: 18
        0
        Quote: Interlocutor
        This does not mean

        Quote: Interlocutor
        including those who manage them
        Those. Do you think that the situation is normal in which the rocket and space industry is ruled by a humanist-balabol with a journalistic education, who has not worked in the industry for a single day in lower positions and generally has no sideways to the topic ?! And at the same time, he earns such money that the head of NASA did not dream of it.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 7 August 2020 09: 52
        0
        And who controls them? Effective managers. Sons and daughters of those in power.
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 August 2020 10: 49
    0
    Impressive, but falls short of pepelatsa. The grace of a hippo, this is a circus, not into space. request
    The main purpose of this ship is to deliver colonists to the Moon and Mars.
    Does Disney provide filming? request
  5. Pereira
    Pereira 5 August 2020 10: 50
    11 th
    How do you like that, Dimon?
  6. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 5 August 2020 10: 55
    12
    In response to such a demarche, Roskosmos should promise to build not one building, but two. And the Federation (Eagle) with the Angara to build not by 2025, but by 2035. And also promise a station on Venus ... by 2080.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 August 2020 10: 58
      -6
      Quote: forty-eighth
      And also promise a station on Venus ... by 2080.

      With promises they have order .. but with the implementation, always a failure .. and to the right swig, for years ..
      1. Comrade Michael
        Comrade Michael 5 August 2020 11: 01
        15 th
        The previous collection of promises has already been abandoned, you can start a new one.
      2. Kart
        Kart 5 August 2020 11: 06
        14
        While the whole world was changing the technological order in the 90s, our enthusiastic revolutionaries tore the former USSR to pieces.
        Now, slowly, slowly you have to catch up.
        But the new revolutionaries want the same thing again. break again, this time Russia.
        1. alma
          alma 5 August 2020 11: 29
          +9
          Quote: Carte
          While the whole world was changing the technological order in the 90s, our enthusiastic revolutionaries tore the former USSR to pieces.
          Now, slowly, slowly you have to catch up.

          Those who tore are not going to catch up.
          1. Kart
            Kart 5 August 2020 11: 43
            12
            Everyone who could get their hands on it - from the chairmen of the former collective farms to the top party leaders, were being wrecked.
            1. truck driver
              truck driver 5 August 2020 12: 01
              12 th
              Why did everyone fight? Maybe because for decades the people were not paid extra and were only driven into the stall of the system? Your shirt is always closer to your body. The social experiment has failed miserably, never will socialism, communism take root in a society of free people.
              1. mister-red
                mister-red 5 August 2020 20: 44
                0
                Socialism and communism will not take root in a society where personal wealth is paramount. As long as millions of fools think that they too can become Bill or Jeff, nothing like that will happen.
        2. astepanov
          astepanov 5 August 2020 12: 11
          +3
          Quote: Carte
          Now, slowly, slowly you have to catch up.

          The saddest thing is that the speed of the catching up is less than that of the escaper. And sometimes the catching one runs in the opposite direction. I certainly won't see the backs of the runners approaching. Maybe the children or at least the grandchildren will be lucky?
          1. Kart
            Kart 5 August 2020 12: 54
            +4
            Maybe.
            It was not necessary to bring the USSR to the abyss. As they started in the 70s, they have led to a logical ending.
      3. slipped
        slipped 5 August 2020 12: 27
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        With promises they have order .. but with the implementation, always a failure .. and to the right swig, for years ..


        Don't sketch. There were no failures in implementation, but there were shifts for a couple of years. laughing
    2. strelokmira
      strelokmira 5 August 2020 12: 26
      -1
      In response to such a demarche, Roskosmos should promise to build not one building, but two. And the Federation (Eagle) with the Angara to build not by 2025, but by 2035. And also promise a station on Venus ... by 2080.

      Well, do not prompt, let them compose themselves winked
  7. KAVBER
    KAVBER 5 August 2020 11: 00
    -9
    An apparatus based on such an engine is not promising for space flights, this is a dead-end branch of development, the future behind engines based on new physical principles.
    1. Ilshat
      Ilshat 5 August 2020 11: 02
      10
      Someone is waiting for principles, someone just works.
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 5 August 2020 11: 09
        +4
        Yes, it is, CERN is working, ITER is working, Rosatom is working, and this is all IBD, just like soybeans at one time.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 5 August 2020 11: 03
      -5
      Artyom, are you talking about a trampoline?
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 5 August 2020 11: 10
        0
        Trampoline, this is just a not very successful statement, of one not very smart person, his personal opinion.
        1. Disant
          Disant 5 August 2020 12: 27
          +6
          yes, he banged ok about the trampoline - at least they started to move
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 5 August 2020 12: 51
          +1
          Now they will remember this to him on the matter and without the case.
          While they were moving, these died.
          1. slipped
            slipped 5 August 2020 13: 17
            +2
            Quote: Pereira
            Now they will remember this to him on the matter and without the case.


            but let them remember - they had nine years of trampoline.

            Quote: Pereira
            While they were moving, these died.


            Strongly mistaken laughing
    3. TAMBU
      TAMBU 5 August 2020 11: 04
      +1
      do not be offended, but an opinion expressed without grammatical errors looks more convincing, especially in issues so significant for humanity.
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 5 August 2020 11: 14
        +2
        I am not offended, I just expressed my opinion on this issue, agree, disagree, ignore or look for mistakes, your choice. We have a free country.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 August 2020 11: 13
      -1
      Do not worry if Musk presses on from Rosatom YaZhRD orders and YaERDU will acquire from someone, and he will have money for it. We must somehow replace the RD 180 in export deliveries with something new in the future.
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 5 August 2020 11: 20
        +1
        Yes, I don’t worry, but there are big doubts in your words, even if in the near future the sponsors will still have their candy wrappers in their hands, no one will sell them new technologies, and they began to sell old stuff in the damned 90s, right now vector turns the other way
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 August 2020 16: 38
          -2
          In general, the final product will be sold to him created with his own money - what new technologies are we talking about, who will not sell what? And Musk himself, as a brand, shares of his companies are selling like hot cakes; soon, as Bezos, he will bypass the country as the richest man on Earth.
      2. slipped
        slipped 5 August 2020 12: 33
        -4
        Quote: Vadim237
        Do not worry if Musk presses on from Rosatom YaZhRD orders and YaERDU will acquire from someone, and he will have money for it. We must somehow replace the RD 180 in export deliveries with something new in the future.


        Don't exaggerate, nobody is selling nuclear technology. laughing But as regards promising engines, there are just multiple deliveries:

    5. snucerist
      snucerist 5 August 2020 11: 36
      13
      Do you even understand what you're talking about?
      Not very good, judging by the spelling.
      Do you have a rough idea of ​​the Raptor design?
      Are you aware that today this is the ONLY closed-cycle methane engine in the WORLD with full fuel gasification? That during the entire existence of mankind, only 3 closed-cycle liquid-propellant rocket engines with full gasification of fuel were created?
      Moreover, the RD-270 created by the USSR never flew, and the engine from Aerojet and Rocketdyne did not pass the tests?
      And the 5th prototype of the Musk apparatus on the Raptor engine, as we see, flies.
      In total, such test prototypes are planned to be made about 20. Moreover, a fair part of this number, perhaps, will not even take off, new welding methods and new materials will be tested on it, these devices were originally designed for complete destruction under excessive pressure, as was the case with the first three prototypes.
      While Musk is on schedule, this is good news.
      The engine, therefore, is unpromising ... You at least looked at the characteristics.
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 5 August 2020 11: 56
        -8
        Yes, yes, you smeared me, rejoice and assert yourself. But I am purple on your chips, especially about the spelling, my opinion has not changed, this is a dead end in the development of space exploration, and the mask is another golden calf for the worship of the masses. And there are engines on methane or on coal dust, it doesn't matter, the concept itself is flawed. The steam engines were the same, what are the advanced ones, but the internal combustion engine killed them at once, right now the same situation.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 August 2020 12: 04
          +9
          Steam engines are a great analogy.

          On the basis of industry and technical progress, ICEs were created on a new type of fuel. Would an ICE be built without a steam engine? Not. For steel and fuel production were provided by steam engines. And all the technological baggage, production capabilities were also provided by steam engines. Without steam engines - ICE only at the level of Leonardo's papers, no more.

          Also here. Improvements in current engines, small discoveries in various fields, and increased industry capabilities provide a leap into the next generation.

          However, there is a consolation prize - ICE (15-20 years old) quickly spread throughout the world. Another point is that many countries (including Russia for example) still cannot make a good internal combustion engine / diesel, while others, on the contrary, are famous for it.
          1. KAVBER
            KAVBER 5 August 2020 19: 48
            -1
            Well, I'll see another example, you can improve the design of the bow and crossbow as much as you like, but this in no way will push towards the invention of gunpowder, a different look is needed, a different concept, here the concept itself is flawed, it has reached its limit, what do not fill, needs a different look.
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 5 August 2020 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: snucerist
        Do you even understand what you're talking about?
        Not very good, judging by the spelling.
        Do you have a rough idea of ​​the Raptor design?
        Are you aware that today this is the ONLY closed-cycle methane engine in the WORLD with full fuel gasification? That during the entire existence of mankind, only 3 closed-cycle liquid-propellant rocket engines with full gasification of fuel were created?
        Moreover, the RD-270 created by the USSR never flew, and the engine from Aerojet and Rocketdyne did not pass the tests?
        And the 5th prototype of the Musk apparatus on the Raptor engine, as we see, flies.
        In total, such test prototypes are planned to be made about 20. Moreover, a fair part of this number, perhaps, will not even take off, new welding methods and new materials will be tested on it, these devices were originally designed for complete destruction under excessive pressure, as was the case with the first three prototypes.
        While Musk is on schedule, this is good news.
        The engine, therefore, is unpromising ... You at least looked at the characteristics.


        Let's wait for the engine, otherwise:
        The declared characteristics of the Raptor engine during the design process during 2012-2017 varied in a wide range, from a high target hollow thrust value of 8200 kN [10] to a late, much lower thrust of 1900 kN.

        From 2018, the engine is expected to have a specific impulse of 380 s in vacuum and 330 s at the ground.

        That is, not the most outstanding characteristics.
        And besides the use of denser supercooled methane, there are not so many advantages for this type of propulsion system, taking into account what mass the gas generators add, which in mass will approach the mass of the compressor station. In any case, the process is curious, whether the excessive complexity and mass of control systems will be justified is an open question.
        1. snucerist
          snucerist 5 August 2020 19: 09
          +4
          Why, no one says that methane is an ideal fuel in all respects.
          The genius of Musk's team lies in the fact that methane is chosen precisely because it has AVERAGE values. But precisely because they are average, they surpass competitors in the most relevant and demanded items.
          Yes, methane is inferior to kerosene in density. It would seem - a minus. But this is the minus that ultimately turns into a plus.
          By minimizing the coking problem, methane allowed for enthalpy optimization.
          If on engines NK-15, NK-33, Merlin, RD-180, working on kerosene, it was possible to use only an oxidizing gas generator, then on the Raptor, a reducing one was also used. That is, to get the very same liquid-propellant rocket engine of a closed cycle with full gasification of propellant components, which is the only one in the world today, which will combine both schemes.
          What does such an enthalpy optimization give?
          The combustion process takes place with a higher temperature in the combustion chamber, because both the oxidizer and the fuel enter it in the form of a heated gas. In addition, the mass consumption of fuel increases due to an increase in the rate of its supply to the gasifier. The ratio of oxidizer and fuel required for the operation of the turbo pumps decreases, i.e. the turbines operate at a lower temperature and pressure. This is one of the prerequisites for the reusability of the product. The very reusability, because of which many competitors of the Mask are already put on the shoulder blades.
          In this scheme, the fuel is burned exactly as much as is needed to feed the turbo pumps. The temperature on the turbines decreases, which leads to an increase in the service life of the TNA.
          And the characteristics of the Raptor, in principle, are not so bad. Moreover, they are great.
          So far, of course, they are not final and not tested in space flight. But what has been announced and partially already confirmed at the stand and in the jumps is amazing.
          The specific impulse values ​​for both the atmospheric version of the engine and the vacuum version are gorgeous - 330/350 sec.
          The declared pressure in the chamber is 270 bar (in the future 300) against 257 bar for the RD-180.
          Price. The price of the RD-180 according to some sources is $ 25 million. And what about the Raptor? Musk is going to reduce its price to that of the Merlin. But even if the Raptor will cost twice or three times more than Merlin, what difference does it make if the price of the latter is about $ 1 million?
          By the way, Musk voices such a parameter as the ratio of $ / kN at all fantastic - 20 bucks per book. This, of course, as they say, we will see it, it takes your breath away, but doubts gnaw.
          The stated multiple of 50 flights is questionable, the stat has not yet been worked out.
          It's too early to say anything definite. We need real launches, we need statistics. But the engine has already flown. Not high yet. But who knows ... There are prospects, and not bad ones.
    6. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2020 11: 51
      +1
      Don't tell Rogozin the main thing, he is actively piercing the LNG rocket.

      The new booster rocket powered by a methane engine, which is being created in Russia, has received the working name "Soyuz-LNG". This was announced on Sunday by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin on the air of the radio station "Komsomolskaya Pravda".

      “There is already its [rockets] working name -“ Soyuz-LNG ”. Why LNG? Because this is liquefied natural gas - a new fuel for the methane engine, ”he said.

      “An experimental design bureau named after the outstanding Soviet aircraft designer Robert Bartiniwhere we recruit talented young engineers. They will cooking rocket demonstrator in light class... Taking into account our geographic specifics, the stage should land on the plane, and not with a "vertical candle" like the [American reusable rocket] Falcon, "Rogozin said.

      The Roscosmos presentation indicated that launching a methane-powered rocket would cost $ 40,5 million versus $ 45,5 million from Soyuz-2.1b.
      1. KAVBER
        KAVBER 5 August 2020 12: 01
        0
        This saddens, again we are being led to a divorce, like with soybeans in due time.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 August 2020 16: 43
          0
          In 2023, they plan to launch a reusable SV Wing rocket with a payload capacity of 600 kilograms at LEO
      2. slipped
        slipped 5 August 2020 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: donavi49


        “There is already its [rockets] working name -“ Soyuz-LNG ”. Why LNG? Because this is liquefied natural gas - a new fuel for the methane engine, ”he said.

        “An experimental design bureau named after the outstanding Soviet aircraft designer Robert Bartini is now being created specifically for these purposes.


        These are two different missiles from different manufacturers.

        LV "Soyuz-LNG" RCC Progress initiative. This is a middle class rocket. There are both disposable and reusable concepts.

        The Advanced Research Foundation and the Myasishchev Experimental Plant are engaged in a demonstrator of an ultralight missile on the "Wing-SV" theme.
    7. ghby
      ghby 5 August 2020 12: 32
      0
      Nuclear power plant of megawatt class "Roscosmos" and "Rosatom"
  8. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 5 August 2020 11: 05
    21 th
    How did you show it took off, and where is the landing? Sleight of hand and no fraud .. Hello to the installation of US.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 5 August 2020 11: 22
      +5
      The video shows both takeoff and landing. Or do you think he then continued with the engine turned off at an altitude of 150 meters?
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 5 August 2020 19: 31
        -1
        In our opinion, it is necessary for it to take off, move and land, preferably in one "frame". And on the video everything is filmed as in a typical Bollywood movie. It takes off from one angle, soars like hell, understand what, and the landing is generally removed from the engine fuselage. And the epic ending - "Look, I have landed" wassat Classics of the genre.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 5 August 2020 20: 39
          0
          Maintain 6 independent channels of astronautics lovers broadcasting the flight live. In one compiled video.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKytYZzeh5U&t=0s
    2. snucerist
      snucerist 5 August 2020 12: 07
      -1
      https://youtu.be/s1HA9LlFNM0
      In the article.
    3. military_cat
      military_cat 5 August 2020 12: 16
      -2
      Here, in the first minute, amateur filming of eyewitnesses from two angles.

    4. Varyag71
      Varyag71 7 August 2020 10: 02
      0
      kremlebot, don't be smart.
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  10. tanit
    tanit 5 August 2020 11: 07
    +9
    "The US has successfully tested SpaceX's Starship SN5 prototype Mars spacecraft."
    Yah?
    Or maybe it really is like this:
    "The USA successfully tested the prototype of the second stage of the Starship SN5 super-heavy rocket."
    There is a difference, isn't there? Or people don't care, they (people) eat everything. For - the Great Mask laughing
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 5 August 2020 11: 20
      0
      I'll be a bore
      No
      super-heavy rocket Starship SN5

      А
      super-heavy rocket Starship

      Since SN5 is the serial number of a specific product
  11. V1er
    V1er 5 August 2020 11: 09
    10
    Rather, it is not a prototype ship, but a test of an engine that can raise and lower loads. For example, to take off from Mars or the Moon, or to land. Therefore, this water tower has nothing to do with the future appearance.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 5 August 2020 11: 15
      -2
      This is a prototype of the ship, just all aerodynamic elements were not installed, in such a short and low flight they are not needed
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 5 August 2020 13: 31
        -2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        in such a short and not high flight

        Here, short and short, and in addition a prototype (flying model) Where do people get so much joy and boiling water? Also me, an event.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 5 August 2020 14: 28
          0
          You just do not know the promised performance characteristics of the Starship.
  12. Free wind
    Free wind 5 August 2020 11: 11
    +5
    Water tower? Railway tank? Damn, but flew the same, Honestly I see for the first time. Good luck to the developers. good
    1. slipped
      slipped 5 August 2020 12: 42
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      Water tower? Railway tank? Damn, but flew the same, Honestly I see for the first time. Good luck to the developers. good


      With a good, read powerful, engine and the gate will fly.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 5 August 2020 12: 46
        +1
        In the original I remember "the car will fly", I do not remember exactly who said.
        1. slipped
          slipped 5 August 2020 12: 51
          +5
          Quote: Free Wind
          In the original I remember "the car will fly", I do not remember exactly who said.


          In the original, just the gate, said Glushko. There is another option - a fence. But the conversation was just about the gate. laughing
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  14. Shahno
    Shahno 5 August 2020 11: 25
    -1
    Well, it's more of a flight for advertising purposes, I think ..
    The answer to the question, can you do anything else. A question from the sponsors of the nameless ...
  15. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 5 August 2020 11: 35
    -2
    The very thing is white ..... to blame a hundred people from blacks to Mars, because on Mars PARADISE.
    It looks like a bottle of Dichlorvos by the way.
  16. Not_invented
    Not_invented 5 August 2020 11: 52
    +8
    How much has already been done, and Rogozin's fans continue to say that Musk is a props, a clown, subsidies and blablabla. Even if there are subsidies, so what? The entire space program of the USSR is subsidies from the first to the last ruble. Subsidies cancel great achievements? Not.
    It's the same with Musk. Does Roscosmos have a reusable rocket? Not. Heavy rocket? Not. Does Musk have them? Yes. That, in fact, is all. While Musk is working, Roskosmos is inventing a bicycle in the form of the Angara and Soyuz-5, which are no better than what they already have.
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 5 August 2020 12: 30
      -8
      how much has already been done, and Rogozin's fans continue to say that Musk is a props, a clown, subsidies and blablabla

      For what they are paid, then they are)
    2. slipped
      slipped 5 August 2020 12: 48
      -2
      Quote: Not_invented
      How much has already been done, and Rogozin's fans continue to say that Musk is a props, a clown, subsidies and blablabla.


      The way it is laughing

      Quote: Not_invented
      Even if there are subsidies, so what?


      No problem. laughing

      Quote: Not_invented
      The entire space program of the USSR is subsidies from the first to the last ruble.


      She was not private. laughing

      Quote: Not_invented
      Subsidies cancel great achievements? Not.


      There is money - there are great achievements. No - there are small ones. laughing

      Quote: Not_invented
      It's the same with Musk. Does Roscosmos have a reusable rocket? Not.


      Make it ultralight. In the middle and heavy classes, it is not needed for today.

      Quote: Not_invented
      Heavy rocket? Not.


      Even two - "Proton-M" and "Angara A5".

      Quote: Not_invented
      While Musk is working, Roskosmos is inventing a bicycle in the form of the Angara and Soyuz-5, which are no better than what they already have.


      Much better laughing
    3. mikhailovich22
      mikhailovich22 5 August 2020 16: 27
      +2
      Quote: Not_invented
      Does Roscosmos have a reusable rocket? Not. Heavy rocket?

      Roscosmos has a heavy-class rocket "Proton
  17. saygon66
    saygon66 5 August 2020 11: 53
    0
    - Remain on the dusty paths of distant planets our traces? recourse
    1. Not_invented
      Not_invented 5 August 2020 12: 01
      0
      Chinese, most likely. Perhaps also American and Indian.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 5 August 2020 13: 14
        +2

        - wink Something like this?
        1. Not_invented
          Not_invented 5 August 2020 13: 55
          0
          Well, if the picture is stylized Chinese ...
          In general, everything is very simple, I think. At the current level of technology development, such a thing as a flight to Mars is very expensive and cannot be self-sustaining. Therefore, the question is about having money. Who has the largest GDP? USA, China, India. Perhaps even the EU, if you take it as a whole. Russia ... no. There is simply no money. Even if we appoint normal leaders and magically eradicate theft in Roscosmos, its budget for a flight to Mars will still not be enough.
    2. slipped
      slipped 5 August 2020 13: 41
      +2
      Quote: saygon66
      - Remain on the dusty paths of distant planets our traces? recourse


      Well, we have a fairly pragmatic and utilitarian approach to the topic:

      "- How, in your opinion, will differ from the current menu of Russian crews that will fly to the moon in the future?

      - A distinctive feature of the "lunar" diet will be the maximum possible use of products with radioprotective, antioxidant and other properties that reduce the negative impact of the environment on the human body. We are already developing such diets. They can be formed from ready-to-eat cold foods - canned meat and fish snacks, fruit sticks and dried fruits, confectionery and bread, with the addition of dehydrated heat or freeze-dried foods - such as snacks, first and second meals, side dishes, desserts, cottage cheese with additives, juices and drinks. "

      So, if there are traces, it will be the packaging left over from the food. laughing
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 5 August 2020 14: 47
        +2
        - It's just some kind of dry ration ... Although, yes - there is no oxygen on the Moon ... you can't light the grill. A year and a half, and digestion pindy ...
  18. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 5 August 2020 12: 02
    10
    Judging by the ignited hydraulic fittings at the start (steady combustion on the body of the power plant) - the flight is on the verge of a foul.
    It is necessary to shield the power plant from combustion products reflected from the surface of the launch pad.
    Heat shields were invented in the last century, comrades Space X engineers - we need to approach test planning more brilliantly.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 August 2020 16: 51
      +1
      Well, they will take it all into account after debriefing and troubleshooting this engine.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 August 2020 17: 27
      +4
      Well, this is testing jump prototypes (or even demonstrators). You can even bang - but here it burned a little and nothing banged.

      Overall, this is a classic difference in approaches:
      Musk has a current market leader (Falcon9) and is betting on something revolutionary. That is, an ultra-high risk project.

      The competitors, however, have relied on a realistic innovative project (Glenn) and a conservative methane project (Vulcan-Centaurus). Both missiles fly next year (well, let's throw in a year until 22).

      If Musk does not shoot this Starship, then the market may well change. Lockheed will gobble up government orders from the military and other NROs, and Glenn will start eating all sorts of Arabsats and other commercial orders, offering more interesting terms than Musk's.
      1. Venya Selnikov
        Venya Selnikov 8 August 2020 20: 46
        0
        Musk already has a "workhorse" - Falcon-9 and for heavy launches - Heavy.
        Judging by the length of the trouble-free series, it turned out to be quite a reliable launch vehicle. The project is stabilized, it will not change any more, it is certified, up to manned launches.
        Both Lockheed and Glenn will have to compete with him, with Flacon. While competitors, to put it mildly, slow down. We hope that only for now, and then they will run faster. And a strong doubt that Vulcan Centaurus will be cheap! There is nothing for him to be fundamentally cheaper. The maximum that will be here is normal competition for internal launches. I am sure that Musk can easily squeeze his margin by 10-20% (for bottle launches). What customers will watch while sipping beer with pleasure, because this will lead to even greater price reductions.
        And Starship is a project ahead of the curve, which was also the case for the Falcon-9 at one time.
        While competitors are preparing the Falcon-9 "killer", Musk is working on the next generation of launch vehicles.
        Starlink is also important.
        If he shoots as planned, it will be very difficult for potential competitors against Musk to "stand" in dumping for a long time. Because SpaceX will have a stable internal order for their own launches! And to external dumping, he will be able to say "ha, well, let’s be patient, how long will you hold out there, losing your money, launching much cheaper than us - at our own expense, not the client”.
        And Project Kuiper from Bezos is still far, far behind Starlink ...
        It's time to stop underestimating Musk. He is now very firmly on his feet, and the prospects are not that cloudless, but his competitors will have to try very hard! In order to at least move him, I am already silent about completely and fundamentally displacing ...
  19. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 5 August 2020 12: 10
    -4
    Quote: KAVBER
    Yes, yes, you smeared me, rejoice and assert yourself. But I am purple on your chips, especially about the spelling, my opinion has not changed, this is a dead end in the development of space exploration, and the mask is another golden calf for the worship of the masses. And there are engines on methane or on coal dust, it doesn't matter, the concept itself is flawed. The steam engines were the same, what are the advanced ones, but the internal combustion engine killed them at once, right now the same situation.

    Considering how illiterate you are and far from the topic of space, your opinion is worth nothing, no matter how you rush with it here.
    however, you can sell it to cheers for patriots, they, as a rule, come with empty heads to topics about space.
  20. wow
    wow 5 August 2020 12: 14
    -7
    Regarding the statements of Comrade. Ilona - they resemble the well-known hohlo-proclamation: "... I crow, and then the sun doesn't rise ..." Or: "... don't say GOP until you've jumped!"
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 August 2020 16: 53
      0
      You should have said this about the Mask 10 years ago - now all this is irrelevant in any form.
  21. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 5 August 2020 12: 14
    -6
    Quote: tanit
    "The US has successfully tested SpaceX's Starship SN5 prototype Mars spacecraft."
    Yah?
    Or maybe it really is like this:
    "The USA successfully tested the prototype of the second stage of the Starship SN5 super-heavy rocket."
    There is a difference, isn't there? Or people don't care, they (people) eat everything. For - the Great Mask laughing

    Starship consists of one stage.
    The SN5 iteration has now been tested.
    In general, I see you are the same people.
    1. tanit
      tanit 5 August 2020 12: 32
      +5
      Quote: Engineer Shchukin

      Starship consists of one stage.

      Wow. belay
      Who else knows about this besides you?
      In general, I see you are the same people.


      "Considering how illiterate you are and far from the topic of space, your opinion is worth nothing, no matter how you run around with it."

      Exactly. laughing
  22. astepanov
    astepanov 5 August 2020 12: 15
    -2
    Quote: KAVBER
    An apparatus based on such an engine is not promising for space flights, this is a dead-end branch of development, the future behind engines based on new physical principles.

    There are four grammatical mistakes in the short phrase. Apparently, there is not enough time for grammar, all efforts were spent on the development of "new physical principles"
  23. gvozdan
    gvozdan 5 August 2020 12: 23
    0
    From what Musk promised, what came out was not a breakthrough, but what a breakthrough did not work out. Subsidies and a huge package of state launches, as well as the scientific base and personnel of NASA do not cancel the achievements, except that the epithet "the first private ..." Musk did not reach either Saturn5 in size (on which there are also many questions) or energy. Heavy has never been launched with maximum load, three starts no more than 7 tons. So far, there is nothing to be proud of. In addition to the return steps, the economic feasibility of which is not yet clear. The launch price could become lower for other reasons, for example, because of the large serial production.
    1. Vlad Pervovich
      Vlad Pervovich 5 August 2020 15: 14
      +2
      he bypassed the state Boeing, which initially had more experience and preferences, in the manned segment. Is that not enough?
      1. MMX
        MMX 5 August 2020 18: 25
        0
        Quote: Vlad Pervovich
        he bypassed the state Boeing, which initially had more experience and preferences, in the manned segment. Is that not enough?


        Since when did Boeing go state?
  24. gvozdan
    gvozdan 5 August 2020 12: 25
    0
    The double standards are surprising.
    Rogozin tells fairy tales, but in reality there is nothing to be proud of - and he is definitely not a good person in the opinion of many. Musk does the same and the same people who condemn Rogozin applauds Musk
    1. slipped
      slipped 5 August 2020 12: 56
      -5
      Quote: gvozdan
      Rogozin tells fairy tales, but in reality there is nothing to be proud of


      You are just another blind dunno. laughing The peculiarity of the work of Roscosmos is that they do not display their victories in tests. Only finished product. But those who want - they see. laughing
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 5 August 2020 17: 19
        0
        Yes Yes. Yes!!! ))) On this topic, a meme has been around for 30 years. We have such devices, but we will not show them to you (c) Mano-mango
        1. slipped
          slipped 5 August 2020 20: 07
          -1
          Quote: UserGun
          Yes Yes. Yes!!! ))) On this topic, a meme has been around for 30 years. We have such devices, but we will not show them to you (c) Mano-mango


          This has nothing to do with what I wrote above - they will just show it when it is ready. This has always been the case with Roscosmos.
    2. UserGun
      UserGun 5 August 2020 13: 13
      +2
      You have beguiled something))) What double standards ?! Musk stubbornly moves towards the goal and at the same time the tubs of dirt does not pour on competitors, does not talk nonsense about trampolines and about how stupid Russians are. This alone is worthy of respect, in contrast to the nirazunimudaks who sit here and there and carry such nonsense, from which the ears curl up into a tube. There will be no miracle from the fact that a million times to exalt hosanna to Rogozin. But Musk doesn't even stutter about a miracle, he just works tediously and stupidly, and you know the result IS. With the number of staff on ORDER! smaller than the monstrous office in the Russian Federation. This is also worthy of at least respect, without going into other advantages of normal MANAGEMENT and decent WORK with decent Wages. This is the object of envy of narrow-minded nirazunimudaks, who can only carry a blizzard about pagan states and "successes" of a "separate civilization."
    3. Not_invented
      Not_invented 5 August 2020 14: 03
      +3
      Musk: Made a medium rocket, a heavy rocket, two ships, makes a third ship - nothing to be proud of. Rogozin: did nothing - double standards, Musk is no better.
      I don't understand how the idea of ​​comparing Musk's company with Roscosmos, which, having a monopoly on the manned launch market for 10 years and having 70 percent of the cargo launch market, has managed to lose the cargo market almost completely, can come to mind. The manned market is - I predict - 60 percent over the next 3 years. Only our own manned launches will remain. All foreigners will go to Musk
      1. slipped
        slipped 5 August 2020 14: 47
        -1
        Quote: Not_invented
        Only our own manned launches will remain. All foreigners will go to Musk


        Well, dream while we have regular foreign cosmonauts training at the CTC at this time laughing

        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 August 2020 15: 12
          +4
          And here I disagree with you. The Indians took the Roscosmos training program as the closest to their concept. However, they will fly on their own ship, on their rocket, and over time they will also train cosmonauts at home, they are building a training center there in Bangalore. It's just that the first space squad is being trained in Russia. This is logical by the way.




          The main hopes of the Glavkosmos are connected with the Arabs. They are far from their manned programs. And they are already sick with space. And not to carry them to the ISS, well, to cook for an adult, to reward (necessarily) for oil money. There you look, besides the UAE, what other rich Arab monarchies will join, and then "Sheikh Abdala posted photos from the ISS aquarium, and we are worse? !! Fly and post photos too!" Wipe your nose UAE!
          1. slipped
            slipped 5 August 2020 20: 05
            -1
            Quote: donavi49
            And here I disagree with you.


            In the photo, the Indian flag is for illustration only - the control system of their ship is ours. And so there is an option that there will be cosmonauts not only Arabs, but also Turkey and others.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 August 2020 16: 58
        -1
        And also to increase the accident rate of launches and defects in production, which in turn led to an increase in the cost of insurance for launches on our rockets.
  25. Bomb
    Bomb 5 August 2020 12: 49
    -1
    Quote: donavi49
    launching a methane-powered rocket will cost $ 40,5 million versus $ 45,5 million from Soyuz-2.1b.

    And half, according to tradition, will go to hangers-on.
  26. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 5 August 2020 13: 06
    -8
    Fuck achievement! In the 63rd year from the launch of the first satellite, screw the jet engine to the barrel and make it jump 150 meters. Straight breakout-breakout.
    By the way, read the history of the tests of this Starshit - the company that kind of produces super-duper rockets could not weld a barrel for a long time so that it would not burst when filled with fuel. wassat
    1. Not_invented
      Not_invented 5 August 2020 14: 09
      +1
      The Vostochny Cosmodrome is the first civilian cosmodrome in Russia, located in the Amur Region. In 2014–2018, 17 various violations were identified during the creation of the cosmodrome, 000 criminal cases were initiated, and the total damage was estimated at 140 billion rubles.

      This is really a breakthrough.
      We are waiting for new records and achievements.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 5 August 2020 14: 27
        -6
        I wonder if you dig in from Musk, what kind of corruption schemes will there be?
        But they do not dig, because they are ordered to close their eyes.
        And no one said about Vostochny that one should be proud of this. Unlike.
        1. Not_invented
          Not_invented 5 August 2020 14: 34
          +2
          I would not be surprised if there are schemes there too. But Musk's ships fly, and from the East ... not very much.

          Corruption is always bad. But there is a question of scale. When they steal, but there is a result, this is one thing, but when they steal in such a way that it does not allow achieving the result at all, this is another thing.
          No, in five years, and another 5-10 lards of money, they will fly from the East. No more than 10 launches per year, everything is in the interests of the customer from the Russian Federation, mainly the Ministry of Defense.
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 5 August 2020 14: 36
            -6
            In 2028, the Yenisei will fly from there - and this is already one step to the Moon. And by 2030, they will ensure the launches of TEM with NRE.
            1. Not_invented
              Not_invented 5 August 2020 14: 43
              0
              It will definitely not fly in 2028. By 2040 maybe. Once. To show the people what we can still do. And then the rocket launches will not have commercial customers, the budget will not find money for orders for a small-scale, and therefore insanely expensive, rocket, and the project will be put on a back burner, where it will gather dust until it is forgotten.
              Angara is an example of this.
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 5 August 2020 14: 47
                -1
                Quote: Not_invented
                Will definitely not fly in 2028

                By any chance, there were no gypsies in your family? Otherwise you predict the future very confidently.
                Quote: Not_invented
                And then the rocket launches won't have customers

                That is, there are no customers for the exploration of the Moon? With its reserves of helium-3? Yes, commodity companies will be ready to gnaw each other's throats for a monopoly. And they have enough money.
                1. Not_invented
                  Not_invented 5 August 2020 14: 54
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                  There were no gypsies in the family. I predict the future by extrapolating trends. Economic growth in the Russian Federation is not expected, which means everything will be exactly the same as now. And now the new Angara rocket is recognized as unpromising, and another new rocket is being made instead. Also hopeless. Because they both cost more than the Unions and Progress.

                  Do you see Helium-3 fusion reactors around us? Do you see projects for their construction at the stage of commercial operation? Me not. And by 2040 there won't be any for sure. Even the long-suffering ITER cannot degenerate in any way, to say the least about commercial reactors. So all lunar helium-3 is not needed by anyone, and will not be needed for a very long time.
                  1. Narak-zempo
                    Narak-zempo 5 August 2020 14: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Not_invented
                    I predict the future by extrapolating trends

                    Development, you know, is not linear.
                    Who in 1941 could have predicted Gagarin?
                    And even more so in our time of explosive development of new technologies.
                    1. Not_invented
                      Not_invented 5 August 2020 15: 05
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                      Werner von Braun could. And he probably predicted.
                      But now everything is quite obvious: theoretical physics is stalled due to the lack of experimental data. There is no data because experiments to search for new physics require a lot of money, so we sit further within the Standard Model, and do not rock the boat for at least 30 years.
                      Since anti-gravity is not expected, it means only classic missiles. And since the classic rockets, the poor efficiency and insane cost of launching the payload, which means no large-scale exploration of the moon. All sorts of variations on the theme of NRM can be added, but this is all only in space, for launching into orbit all the same rockets. That's the whole story.
                2. Vlad Pervovich
                  Vlad Pervovich 5 August 2020 15: 20
                  0
                  yes, it's just like with Energy, remember ... they let it go once, and then there was no payload ...
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 5 August 2020 17: 02
                -2
                With a 90% probability, this will happen to the Yenisei.
            2. UserGun
              UserGun 5 August 2020 17: 06
              -3
              Do you naively think that everyone is sitting on the priest evenly and not moving? Oh well )))
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 August 2020 17: 07
              -2
              Unfortunately, given the wear and tear of all Russia's fixed assets at a cost equal to 89 trillion rubles, with such a growth rate of the economy, there is no need to dream of any deep space for the next 20 years, Russia will definitely not have money for it.
        2. Bomb
          Bomb 6 August 2020 08: 43
          +1
          None. Will you steal bread from your own home? This is a private company, in contrast to the transport and trampoline department.
  27. A.TOR
    A.TOR 5 August 2020 13: 07
    -3
    Amazing, wonderful, flawless
    Proud of
  28. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 5 August 2020 13: 13
    +1
    Quote: tanit
    Who else knows about this besides you?

    Now you know.
    And you will explain to others that you should not confuse Starship and Super Heavy as you did before.
    So when they are in a bundle (the old name is BFR) - Starship can be considered the second stage, but it will still be incorrect.

    In this case, to say that "passed the test of the second stage of the Starship" is completely illiterate, because Starship has no second tier.

    Now it became clearer for you?
  29. Shahno
    Shahno 5 August 2020 13: 21
    +1
    Quote: orionvitt
    Musk has experienced the model, and some already have incontinence of boiling water. laughing

    So everyone already knows how his "models" end. They are still afraid ...
  30. Disorder
    Disorder 5 August 2020 13: 55
    -3
    It remains only to develop and assemble a spacecraft that will deliver this pepelats to Mars and back.

    Essentially, Musk is restoring what was destroyed when the shuttles appeared.
    Cru Dragon is the modern counterpart of Gemini. To fly to the moon, you need to recreate Apollo. And in order to fly to Mars, you need to combine Apollo with Skylab.
  31. Shahno
    Shahno 5 August 2020 14: 46
    -3
    Quote: Not_invented
    I would not be surprised if there are schemes there too. But Musk's ships fly, and from the East ... not very much.

    Corruption is always bad. But there is a question of scale. When they steal, but there is a result, this is one thing, but when they steal in such a way that it does not allow achieving the result at all, this is another thing.
    No, in five years, and another 5-10 lards of money, they will fly from the East. No more than 10 launches per year, everything is in the interests of the customer from the Russian Federation, mainly the Ministry of Defense.

    What you are trying to call corruption, in the understanding of the "imperialists" is competition ...
    1. Not_invented
      Not_invented 5 August 2020 15: 47
      -1
      I didn't quite understand your comment. Competition - in the understanding of our Western "friends" - is when there are several companies that compete with each other. In this case, Space X, Boeing and a few others. And corruption is when a certain mega-corporation like Roscosmos has a monopoly position in the market, is subsidized from the state budget, but still, in the end, loses the market of a small company from the United States due to the flagrant inefficiency of spending funds, lack of responsibility for this from any of the leaders and plundering everything that can be stolen.
  32. Narcologist
    Narcologist 5 August 2020 15: 51
    -6
    Well, everything will start to tear at the masqueraders from euphoria. laughing
    A very strange design ... well, let's see what happens in 2022.
  33. Shahno
    Shahno 5 August 2020 16: 09
    0
    Quote: Not_invented
    I didn't quite understand your comment. Competition - in the understanding of our Western "friends" - is when there are several companies that compete with each other. In this case, Space X, Boeing and a few others. And corruption is when a certain mega-corporation like Roscosmos has a monopoly position in the market, is subsidized from the state budget, but still, in the end, loses the market of a small company from the United States due to the flagrant inefficiency of spending funds, lack of responsibility for this from any of the leaders and plundering everything that can be stolen.

    Ask yourself how RD won a tender on the American market, in particular against NK ... The meaning of my comment may become clearer (although I'm not sure anymore).
    1. Not_invented
      Not_invented 5 August 2020 17: 44
      -3
      You may not know, but the Americans were sold the entire CD on the RD-180, along with a production license until 2030. But then Energomash offered to produce engines at a loss (the same dumping that they like to remember when Musk is mentioned), and until 2010 produced them at a loss. Then, due to the increase in production, the price dropped. That's how I won. It turned out to be cheaper to produce in Russia + dumping helped.
      1. slipped
        slipped 5 August 2020 22: 18
        +3
        Quote: Not_invented
        Then, due to the increase in production, the price dropped. That's how I won. It turned out to be cheaper to produce in Russia + dumping helped.


        what are the inventors on VO already oh ... you laughing
  34. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 5 August 2020 20: 03
    -2
    Only when I watched the clip, the title melody "Kin-Dza-Dzy" was playing in my head?
  35. Russian2020
    Russian2020 5 August 2020 23: 48
    -4
    It's all a circus show with a barrel
  36. gorenina91
    gorenina91 6 August 2020 05: 05
    +2
    In the United States, SpaceX's Starship SN5 prototype spacecraft was successfully tested. According to Space.com, the prototype made its first successful flight.

    -Eh., Nothing so upsets ... as ... as the success of the Americans in the field of Space ...
    -And even more upsetting ... - "creeping oblivion" of the Russian Space ...
  37. Klingon
    Klingon 6 August 2020 23: 26
    0
    Quote: orionvitt
    Musk has experienced the model, and some already have incontinence of boiling water. laughing

    okay Musk tested the model, but what did Rogozin experience? A stone rocket and a trampoline? let's grumble about this?
  38. Klingon
    Klingon 6 August 2020 23: 30
    0
    Quote: Not_invented
    I didn't quite understand your comment. Competition - in the understanding of our Western "friends" - is when there are several companies that compete with each other. In this case, Space X, Boeing and a few others. And corruption is when a certain mega-corporation like Roscosmos has a monopoly position in the market, is subsidized from the state budget, but still, in the end, loses the market of a small company from the United States due to the flagrant inefficiency of spending funds, lack of responsibility for this from any of the leaders and plundering everything that can be stolen.

    straight to the point! but there is a trampoline, a stone rocket and a model of the Eagle (Federation)! oh yeah, and a bunch of promises very ahead and show off
  39. Klingon
    Klingon 6 August 2020 23: 32
    +1
    Musk is great! and Rogozin will forever remain for me a clown with a trampoline, a stone rocket and a model of the Eagle wassat