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"Our penetration around the planet ..." How many Russians live outside Russia

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As you know, in the modern world, statistics knows everything. Well, almost everything. At least, questions related to the field of demography have been studied by its specialists, as they say, far and wide. With all this, the topic of the scattering of our compatriots across the planet is more than complex and ambiguous. And there are a number of reasons for this.


Even the exact number of Russian people living outside our state is "conditional". For example, in 2010, the then director of the department for work with compatriots abroad of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Alexander Chepurin, called the exact number - 30 million. Today experts are more cautious and their estimates are rather vague: from 25 to 40 million. And the point here is not so much a lack of awareness among our diplomats, but rather in the assessment criteria themselves, in the difference between the concepts of "ethnic Russian" and "Russian-speaking."

Our long-suffering land has experienced more than one wave of emigration, during which its sons and daughters were scattered all over the world. So today in Paris it is quite possible to meet the descendants of compatriots who "left" there in 1917 with the purest Russian roots, but who do not understand a word "in our way" and in fact are French in God knows what generation. And in many countries of the so-called post-Soviet space there are many people who speak, think and, in fact, live in Russian, in whose passports completely different nationalities are inscribed.

However, let's try to figure out where "ours" are the most, based on any official data. So, outside of Russia, those who should be called Russians most of all, as one would expect, live in the neighborhood. For example, in Ukraine there were about 2014 million such citizens before the dashing 8. After the coup d'état, which was followed by an outburst of pathological Russophobia and the numerous exodus from the country of precisely the Russian people, their number in the “non-zalezhnoy” decreased, according to some estimates, to 6-7 million. All the same, given the real number of the local population (over 30 million), the number is quite considerable.

The second "outpost" of Russian residence in the post-Soviet space is definitely Kazakhstan. Before the collapse of the USSR, there were generally about 40% of the total population of the republic. Nevertheless, even at the present time, the number of those residents of the country who consider themselves to be our compatriots is at least 3 million.

The rest of the former fraternal republics cannot boast even a third of this number. In Belarus and Uzbekistan there are approximately 800 thousand Russians each, in Latvia - more than half a million. In Kyrgyzstan - 350-400 thousand. In Moldova (according to various sources, again) - from 200 to 300 thousand. About the same number - in Estonia.

In other post-Soviet countries, the number of Russian people is much smaller: in Lithuania it does not reach 200 thousand, in Azerbaijan - a little less than 100 thousand. However, what is strange, in seemingly friendly Armenia (co-religionists, moreover), ten times fewer people consider themselves to be Russians - 12 thousand! Even in Poland there are more of our compatriots. As for Georgia, I confess honestly, it was not possible to get any data at all. However, today there, as well as in Ukraine, it is simply dangerous to openly identify oneself as a Russian people.

With the near abroad sorted out, let's move on to the far. As expected, the largest Russian diasporas are officially in the United States and Germany. Both of them number 3-3,5 million people. However, here we have a very significant nuance: in these countries, literally all immigrants from the Soviet Union were always recorded (and even today they are enrolled) in the "Russians". And often, in addition, from some countries of Eastern Europe. So here we should rather talk about Russian-speaking people, who, however, have created very bright and significant communities in the mentioned states, including cultural ones.

On the overseas territory, Canada is the second in terms of the number of Russians living there, where there are from half a million to more than 600 thousand people. According to estimates of the local migration service, over 1,5% of the total population. Our compatriots also feel good in Latin America: in Argentina and Brazil there are approximately 350 thousand Russian people each.

Tellingly, Europe is not so hospitable for us. For the reasons I have already mentioned above, estimates of the number of "Russian French" differ significantly: someone speaks of 200 thousand, and someone of more than 400. More than 120 thousand of our compatriots are found in sunny Italy - in any case, it was thought so before the coronavirus pandemic, which changed a lot. In other countries of the Old World, the number of Russians is more modest. There are no more than 15 thousand Russians living in Britain, while in friendly Serbia there are only a couple of thousand.

Of course, the above numbers are approximate, as they are based mainly on information from official sources. Many experts are deeply convinced that the number of Russian people scattered across the planet is much greater. Alas…
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  1. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 5 August 2020 10: 17 New
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    Self-awareness also matters. Many of these people perceive themselves primarily as Americans, French, Brazilians, etc. However, this applies mainly to past waves of migration. In the era of globalization, you can live in another country for many years and not lose touch with your homeland. A lot here already depends on a person's conscious choice - whether he wants to preserve his national identity or whether he wants to fully assimilate.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 August 2020 10: 29 New
      +6
      Self-awareness. Didn't have time to edit.
      1. snake
        snake 5 August 2020 11: 26 New
        -4
        Many experts are deeply convinced that the number of Russian people scattered across the planet is much greater. Alas…

        Why "alas"? Very good. In Russia itself, Russians are dying out and are being replaced by migrants. Maybe they will survive abroad at least ...
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 12: 11 New
          -7
          Quote: serpent
          In Russia itself, Russians are dying out and are being replaced by migrants.

          Statistics, please. It is desirable from several sources, differently aligned.
          Otherwise, it will turn out, as from Raikin's monologue: "I myself have no children ... I have kaats."
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 5 August 2020 12: 59 New
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            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Statistics, please. It is desirable from several sources, differently aligned.

            Open the Rosstat website. source, though one, but to the limit official. Well, look in the demography section for operational information on natural growth. Central Federal District, for this year, minus 130 thousand people, plus only in Moscow. But the Russians there are not the fact that the majority. Northwestern Federal District - minus 34 thousand. Growth only in the Nenets Okrug. Volga Federal District. There is no gain anywhere. Minus 99 thousand. Urals and further, an increase in the Tyumen region and national districts / republics. It's almost the same in the south.
            In general, the percentage of Russians in Russia is falling quickly and efficiently. The largest age group is 70 and over. And in total, from 55 and older -43 million, as of January 1, 2020. The age group 25-35, this is the one that gives birth to children mainly - 22 million. But children from 0 to 9, that is, children born by the above generation - 17.9 million. That is, about 20% less than is necessary for simple reproduction. The people do not want to be fruitful in a blessed country. And in 25-30 years, when those who are now over 55 die ... The percentage of Russians will fall below 50. And the average rate of extinction is about 1/4 per generation. It is difficult to calculate more precisely, because there is no breakdown by nationality, but the overall total will be a maximum of 2-4% in one direction or another. Are you satisfied? Can we already begin to praise the wise leadership of the country, leading the Russian people to prosperity and well-being?
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 5 August 2020 13: 31 New
              +7
              the wise leadership of the country - the Elves, is systematically carrying out a plan to destroy the rest of the hobbits .. all their tricks with pension reforms and zeroing are proof of this. I wonder if the hobbits die out / scatter, who will work for the prosperous, prosperous immortal (zeroed) elves? wassat
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 5 August 2020 17: 12 New
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                Quote: Klingon
                the wise leadership of the country - the Elves, is systematically carrying out a plan to destroy the rest of the hobbits .. all their tricks with pension reforms and zeroing are proof of this. I wonder if the hobbits die out / scatter, who will work for the prosperous, prosperous immortal (zeroed) elves?

                And what kind of thundering has settled in your head that you write such nonsense? Is it that the elves have such a cunning plan for destruction that would raise the standard of living, life expectancy, give money for the birth of children?
            2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 16: 36 New
              -9
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Open the Rosstat website. source, though one, but to the limit official.

              It is strange that you did not mention, since the data of Rosstat, it means in fact everything is even worse, hehe!
              Nobody says that the demographic situation is wonderful, but it is also somewhat premature to celebrate a funeral feast for it at the same time as the funeral service, don't you think? However, okay ...
              That is, about 20% less than is necessary for simple reproduction. The people do not want to be fruitful in a blessed country. And in 25-30 years, when those who are now over 55 die ... The percentage of Russians will fall below 50. And the average rate of extinction is about 1/4 per generation.

              That is, you think that if the situation is like this now, it will remain so, it will only get worse. Because in "this blessed country" it cannot be better, as it would be unpleasant for you personally.

              I'll tell you why you think so.
              You are not against modern Russia and the Russian government. You are against the fact that modern Russia is not the USSR. This permanently annoys you, and those like you. Because during the Soviet era you were young, full of strength and prospects. And now you are old, there is nothing ahead, and nothing depends on you.
              This is what haunts you. But you do not want to put up with this, therefore you are pulling together into a single conglomerate of negativity everything bad that you can find in modern Russian life.
              However, they are unable to influence anything, both then and now. But "then" you were not noticed because of other, more amusing, ways of spending time, and "now" you only have to be indignant in the comments. Quite a pitiful outcome of life's struggles. But that is what it is. And this, naturally, is primarily to blame for the "anti-people oligarchic power", and not your enthusiasm for more amusing types of leisure.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 5 August 2020 17: 10 New
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                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                That is, you think that if the situation is like this now, it will remain so, it will only get worse.

                Laponka. It will not get worse. It gets worse. Already 5th year. Fall in fertility by 6-8% annually. Already slipped to the level of 95. And after the pension reform, everything will be even worse. It's just a temporary lag, in this matter, not 1-2 weeks, as with the purchase of a TV or cutlets there, but 1-2 years. It is probably a revelation for you, but having a child, having a job, and not having a grandmother / grandfather of retirees is almost impossible for half of the population. And to give birth when grandmother / grandfather retired, and you are deeply over 40 ... Try it yourself. Plus the extremely social policy of Monsieur Guarantor on the issue of quarantine in particular, and the income of the population in general .. So I, personally, was planning to give birth to a third. A year later 2. Now there are no such plans. Thanks to Mr. Putin for the dramatic improvement in the financial situation of my family. Yeah.
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Because during the Soviet era you were young, full of strength and prospects. And now you are old

                Oh, I can't. Kind. I have not lived in the USSR for 2 years. I turned 2 30 months ago. But in general, yes. The socio-economic structure of the Russian Federation does not suit me a little more than completely and completely. And from the position that I not only need to give birth, but also to raise, at least until the end of school ... Already the second daughter was an act of the category - the madness of the brave. And the third is out of the question. That is precisely because it is around the Russian Federation, not the RSFSR. And our dearly beloved guarantor, at any moment, as soon as he gets under the tail, can leave us without work, but with hungry children in our arms. So .... Sorry generously. You yourself can have at least 3 children, at least 33. And to us, Mr. Guarantor will not order more than 1. And so already 1 time disobeyed. Enough. Yeah.
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 18: 27 New
                  -5
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  Laponka. It will not get worse. It gets worse.

                  What a condescending syllable! He betrays you. You are ambitious and ambitious. And if it were not for ___________ (write in what you want), then you would ___________ (write in what you want). However, they are forced to be content with what they have, what they are unbearably dissatisfied with, because they consider it a flagrant injustice.
                2. sevryuk
                  sevryuk 5 August 2020 19: 53 New
                  +4
                  I am ashamed to ask, how do you feel about Yeltsin, Gaidar and Chubais?
              2. Smirnov Mikhail
                Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 21: 53 New
                +3
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                You are not against modern Russia and the Russian government. You are against the fact that modern Russia is not the USSR. This permanently annoys you, and those like you.


                Because in the USSR there was no moronic market when you don't know where you will work tomorrow (and whether you will be at all). Because in the USSR, the ruling class developed both industry and peoples, and did not stuff its pockets as if not into itself. And he looked at people as people and labor (and tried to qualify it as much as possible), and not as a taxable base. Where did an electrician (any other working specialty) respect himself more - in the USSR or in the Russian Federation?
                1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 22: 05 New
                  -4
                  Holy simplicity!
                  Tell that to a Soviet engineer, a graduate, whose salary was more than half that of a bulldozer driver.
                  Or Soviet newlyweds from a city near Moscow, who were not entitled to an apartment because they are indigenous, and can live with their parents, so welcome to a rented room in a communal apartment.
                  1. Smirnov Mikhail
                    Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 22: 26 New
                    +5
                    But now an engineer is just earning millions. And, most importantly, there is something to spend. Any mortgage. Because now the apartments are distributed free of charge only to indigenous newlyweds. With love from the developer ..
                  2. Smirnov Mikhail
                    Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 22: 39 New
                    +4
                    By the way, do not tell me, but on what basis for a certified engineer who does not invent, does not design, does not plow / sow / does not build, the salary should be higher than the salary of a bulldozer operator who at least digs holes for all sorts of pipes? From whom is it more useful?
                    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 22: 51 New
                      0
                      Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
                      By the way, do not tell me, but on what basis for a certified engineer who does not invent, does not design, does not plow / sow / does not build, the salary should be higher than the salary of a bulldozer operator who at least digs holes for all sorts of pipes? From whom is it more useful?

                      What, in your opinion, is the activity of an engineer?
                      1. Smirnov Mikhail
                        Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 22: 54 New
                        -3
                        In fact - sitting on a chair .. What's in the Soviets, what's now. A way to avoid physical labor, and to grab more for yourself.
                      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 22: 56 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
                        In fact - sitting on a chair .. What's in the Soviets, what's now. A way to avoid physical labor, and to grab more for yourself.

                        Why then was there such a specialty in the universities of the USSR?
                      3. Smirnov Mikhail
                        Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 22: 59 New
                        -4
                        Because such a specialty was in Europe (already in the Anglo-Saxons, who are the authors of industrialization). And the Russians are the mental slaves of Europe (already the Anglo-Saxons), everything is just like theirs .. Well, it was dreamed that these engineers would invent, design and construct something. And it turned out sinecure .. Now, by the way, there is not even this, there are office inmates. And the same bulldozer driver cannot be found ..
                      4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 23: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
                        Because such a specialty was in Europe (already in the Anglo-Saxons, who are the authors of industrialization). And the Russians are the mental slaves of Europe (already - the Anglo-Saxons), everything is like theirs.

                        The specialty "engineer" in the USSR appeared, as far as I know, in the sixties.
                        In your words, it turns out that even then the USSR was drifting in the wake of the Anglo-Saxons?
                      5. Smirnov Mikhail
                        Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 23: 10 New
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                        The USSR is a way of ethnic and political existence for Russians in the 20th century. You listen less to all the Putin with their "geopolitics" .. And the Russians have always been in the wake of the Anglo-Saxons. First, because they really were the most progressive people in the world, and now by inertia. Because the technological world is never the Russian world. Not a single important invention, not a single physical phenomenon, where the unit of measurement is a Russian surname (Anglo-Saxon sea - Newton, Watt, etc.), nothing .. And yes, the specialty "engineer" existed even before the revolution, if that ..
                      6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 August 2020 23: 21 New
                        -1
                        But if, as you said, "There were no morons in the USSR," does it mean that the USSR built its system with an eye on the Anglo-Saxons, despite the fact that its system was always opposed to the Anglo-Saxon one?
                      7. Smirnov Mikhail
                        Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 23: 50 New
                        -5
                        Listen, do we have a history lesson? Or am I being interrogated? I have no desire to fill posts on this resource. Moreover, historical development is a deep and not a simple topic. The Russians wanted to build their own system, which is better than that of the Anglo-Saxons. And to be better, you have to be at least the same. And the "West" was the cornerstone of Russian history in the 20th century. And even now, the constitution has been licked out from there, from there democracy and the separation of powers (they did not come up with anything of their own), economics and economic sciences, technology, education, but I'm just tortured to list how the Russian Federation is indistinguishable from the USA. So much the Russians are mental slaves (and they broadcast this mentality to the conquered peoples). And let Russia burn, but the United States must burn earlier. Therefore, Russians look at the failures of the Americans, at any flaws, even more intently than the Ukrainians (yet another losers) at the Russian flaws.
                      8. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 August 2020 00: 35 New
                        -1
                        Do you have a recipe for getting out of this closed sequence?
                      9. Smirnov Mikhail
                        Smirnov Mikhail 6 August 2020 04: 12 New
                        -4
                        Can you tell me on what basis for a certified engineer who does not invent, design, plow / sow / build, the salary should be higher than the salary of a bulldozer operator who at least digs holes for pipes?
  • CSKA
    CSKA 6 August 2020 15: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    I'll tell you why you think so.

    Shake your hand. You seem right to the point about this woman.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 5 August 2020 17: 09 New
    -8
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Can we already begin to praise the wise leadership of the country, leading the Russian people to prosperity and well-being?

    Of course you can. Because with this wise leadership, over 20 years, the standard of living has increased significantly, the birth rate and life expectancy have increased. Can you tell us how to increase the population? The Russian Federation faced the same problem as the absolute majority of economically developed countries, but you probably want the growth to be like in Uganda or Angola.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 August 2020 18: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: CSKA
      Because with this wise leadership, over 20 years, the standard of living has increased significantly, the birth rate and life expectancy have increased.

      Well, yes, on my site, guests from Uzbekistan are constantly giving birth, for 10 years they have been constantly coming and purposefully giving birth to citizens of the Russian Federation of Uzbek origin, for this they bring young women. So Russia is growing. And now an interesting question, who do they consider themselves to be, Uzbeks or Russians? Which state do they consider native, the Russian Federation or Uzbekistan? For which state they will fight sacrificing their lives, for the Russian Federation or Uzbekistan, if suddenly something? Did you honestly answer these questions to yourself? This is how states and peoples cease to exist. request
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        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 5 August 2020 21: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
          And for which state will the Tatars fight, sacrificing their lives? For Russia or for Tatarstan?

          And that Tatarstan is not Russia? Here Uzbekistan is not Russia. I thought you knew. request But you can look at the map of the world, it's never too late. repeat
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            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 5 August 2020 22: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
              So, in your opinion, for Russia? Since Tatarstan is Russia. So the Tatars should sacrifice their lives for the state, where in their republic (and this, it turns out, is not their republic, in your opinion) Russians disdain to learn the Tatar language?

              You, as it is fashionable to say now, are pulling an owl onto the globe. Tatarstan is part of the Russian Federation, Uzbekistan is an independent state. In the Russian Federation, Russian is the state language, and they must learn it, the rest are optional. You have an unusual name for Tatars:
              Smirnov Mikhail (Mikhail Smirnov)

              repeat
            2. Smirnov Mikhail
              Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 22: 32 New
              -2
              And I'm an ethnic Russian, if that. It's just that I'm not stupid, and I understand that words about a part of a whole, the state language and the obligation to learn it usually end very, very sadly. And yes, once Uzbekistan was part of the USSR ..

              But I heard you (and the Tatars even more so). The Tatar language can be taught to Tatars at will (they may not learn their native language). But they must learn Russian. And then the lamentations begin that in the Baltic states it is obligatory to learn the state languages ​​(or Ukrainian language), but Russian at will (they may not be taught). And this is bad, it should not be, the Foreign Ministry is indignant. Maybe all of mankind immediately start learning Russian (required), and their local dialects at will?
            3. Tank hard
              Tank hard 5 August 2020 22: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
              А I am ethnic Russian,

              Latynina. I did not recognize you in makeup. laughing
            4. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 August 2020 10: 42 New
              +2
              You are just a provocateur, and have already spoken about several articles of the Criminal Code.
            5. Smirnov Mikhail
              Smirnov Mikhail 6 August 2020 11: 17 New
              -3
              Then what is stopping you? Rather write to the FSB, the Prosecutor's Office, the President, after all .. I live in Russia, it is not difficult for the authorities to find me ..
            6. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 August 2020 13: 10 New
              +3
              Hope it's really easy. An educational conversation with representatives of the local FSB department will not hurt you.
  • snake
    snake 6 August 2020 11: 35 New
    -3
    Quote: Tank Hard
    For which state they will fight sacrificing their lives

    For the RF. Only for the Muslim RF. And there will be no federation, but some kind of sultanate / emirate thread.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 6 August 2020 13: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Well, yes, on my site, guests from Uzbekistan are constantly giving birth, for 10 years they have been constantly coming and purposefully giving birth to citizens of the Russian Federation of Uzbek origin, for this they bring young women. So Russia is growing. And now an interesting question, who do they consider themselves to be, Uzbeks or Russians? Which state do they consider native, the Russian Federation or Uzbekistan? For which state they will fight sacrificing their lives, for the Russian Federation or Uzbekistan, if suddenly something? Did you honestly answer these questions to yourself? This is how states and peoples cease to exist.

    Did you read what I wrote correctly? I wrote about the fact that many economically developed countries with a high standard of living, paradoxically, are faced with the problem of natural population growth. And you write to me about emigration from Uzbekistan.
    Okay, let's figure it out. What means:
    Quote: Tank Hard
    guests from Uzbekistan constantly give birth, for 10 years they have been constantly coming and purposefully giving birth to citizens of the Russian Federation of Uzbek origin

    Firstly. If the parents of the child are not citizens of the Russian Federation or one of them, the child will not receive citizenship. Secondly. If they want him to receive citizenship, then they want their child to live in the Russian Federation and are unlikely to return to Uzbekistan themselves. And this means that they are the same citizens of the Russian Federation and, like other citizens of the Russian Federation, will go to serve in the army and, if necessary, will defend their homeland.
    Thirdly.
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Which state do they consider native, the Russian Federation or Uzbekistan?

    Maybe the parents of the child are still Uzbekistan and will be considered native, but certainly not a child who grows up in the Russian Federation and for whom the Russian language will become native. Just like children from Dagestan, for example.
    Quote: Tank Hard
    For which state they will fight sacrificing their lives, for the Russian Federation

    Yes, for the Russian Federation. just as the grown-up boys of Dagestanis, Chechens, Ingush and others are already fighting.
    Quote: Tank Hard
    This is how states and peoples cease to exist.

    What are you? Exactly? So let’s then give an example of such a state based on your conclusions.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 6 August 2020 14: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: CSKA
      If the parents of the child are not citizens of the Russian Federation or one of them, the child will not receive citizenship.

      Read it, although you (IMHO) do not need it.
      http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_36927/3b4c648fd222199ab2649925fd02738b305698c2/
      Quote: CSKA
      If they want him to receive citizenship, then they want their child to live in the Russian Federation and are unlikely to return to Uzbekistan themselves. And this means that they are the same citizens of the Russian Federation and, like other citizens of the Russian Federation, will go to serve in the army and, if necessary, will defend their homeland.

      I don't even want to comment on it here, because you don't know the mentality.
      Quote: CSKA
      Yes, for the Russian Federation. just as the grown-up boys of Dagestanis, Chechens, Ingush and others are already fighting.

      All of them are indigenous people of the Russian Federation. Uzbekistan, a separate distinctive country (for example).
      Quote: CSKA
      What are you? Exactly? So let’s then give an example of such a state based on your conclusions

      Hold on-USSR. A typical example of the disintegration of a country into nation states. under certain circumstances, with a high hatred for each other, some of these republics, and in fact all were kind of brought up in "internationalism" and equality, however. Here is another example, Austria-Hungary, fell apart on a national basis. These are not inferences, these are facts. Apparently you did not understand what I wanted to say. Well, okay, but live in your own universe.
  • snake
    snake 5 August 2020 17: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Statistics, please.

    To:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Численность_русских
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    It is desirable from several sources, differently aligned.

    You will interrupt.
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Otherwise, it will turn out, as from Raikin's monologue: "I myself have no children ... I have kaats."

    You, leavened patriots, always like Raikin: "If it's better than in 1913, it's good."
    ZY Is everything good about migrants too?
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 8 August 2020 21: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    Quote: serpent
    In Russia itself, Russians are dying out and are being replaced by migrants.

    Statistics, please. It is desirable from several sources, differently aligned.
    Otherwise, it will turn out, as from Raikin's monologue: "I myself have no children ... I have kaats."

    I wonder what the cons? Indeed, the author is juggling with numbers absolutely not bothering about specifying sources. One example: the last Ukrainian population census dates back to 2001. Where did the author get the data for the last year? I don’t remember any polls on this topic.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 6 August 2020 01: 16 New
    +1
    Yeah, they will, but in my opinion they dream, at best, to speak the Great and Mighty with an accent, about birches, repression, etc.
    1. snake
      snake 6 August 2020 11: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Plastmaster
      Yeah, they will, but in my opinion they dream, at best, to speak the Great and Mighty with an accent, about birches, repression, etc.

      And in Russia with what accent will they speak soon? Or even at all - in the purest Tajik and Uzbek.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 5 August 2020 10: 24 New
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    The largest population in the United States is German-American. They are only one and a half times less than the population of the Federal Republic of Germany. But for Germany this is a cut-off piece, they do not feel any special feelings for their historical homeland. True, the ancestors of many of them left for the United States, when Germany as a single state did not yet exist. The same Trump is half-German, half-Scottish by birth. However, he is American.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 August 2020 10: 28 New
    +5
    there is one moment and who do we consider Russian ?!
    according to the first census of the Republic of Ingushetia, they were both Belarusians and Little Russians, who are we now going to consider as these ?!
    whether I am Russian or not my maternal grandfather is a Pole, both grandmothers are from Great Russians on my paternal side from the Semirechye Cossacks
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 30 New
      +3
      Who do you think you are? Semirechye Cossacks are also Great Russians.
      1. dauria
        dauria 5 August 2020 13: 53 New
        0
        Who do you think you are?


        Sometimes it is useful to lift your head up and look at the starry sky. Or into the depths of the millennia. Look, Russians, Germans, Jews, Tatars and so on, so on, so on ... it started 500 thousand years ago. How it all ends is generally a question. From Christ to us, this is generally a scanty moment in history.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 August 2020 15: 49 New
        -1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Who do you think you are? Semirechye Cossacks are also Great Russians.

        so the question is who I think or who will consider the one who counts Russians abroad, HOW will he count them, interrogate each and find out his inner self-identity?
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 6 August 2020 10: 46 New
          0
          Yes, during the census, they will ask exactly.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 August 2020 11: 23 New
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            Quote: Sergej1972
            Yes, during the census

            where beyond the cordon?
            How do you imagine it? !!!!!
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 August 2020 13: 19 New
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              Population censuses are carried out according to the general scheme in our country and in Western countries. A person is asked what ethnic community he belongs to. Everything from his words. A person has the right not to answer this question. The census themselves usually take place every ten years. Sometimes social scientists conduct research. And municipal and state structures, employers do not have the right to demand the indication of nationality.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 August 2020 17: 32 New
                0
                How do you imagine the census outside the Russian Federation?
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 6 August 2020 21: 53 New
                  0
                  Why do we need to do it? Censuses are conducted in the respective countries for their own internal needs. Their materials are published, and we in the Russian Federation can analyze them.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 August 2020 23: 11 New
                    0
                    read the title of the article
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 7 August 2020 01: 33 New
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                      Operating with the data of foreign states on the number of people who consider themselves Russian, we can draw certain conclusions about the number of Russians abroad.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 7 August 2020 07: 11 New
                        +1
                        that is, plus or minus bast shoes on the map
                        do you really think that at the same time, or for example in the RK there will be truthful data on this topic?
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 5 August 2020 19: 01 New
        -1
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Semirechye Cossacks are also Great Russians

        The Cossacks never considered themselves Russian. Orthodox, yes.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 6 August 2020 01: 13 New
          +1
          Most of the Cossacks considered themselves Russian people. Those who did not consider themselves Russian were among the Don and Kuban Cossacks. Representatives of the rest of the Cossack troops, including the Semirechye Cossacks, considered themselves to be Russian people. The overwhelming majority of modern Cossacks consider themselves Russian.
      4. sevryuk
        sevryuk 5 August 2020 19: 56 New
        -2
        Cossacks cannot be Great Russians - the latter are the peasant population of the Muscovy of the times of Alexei Mikhailovich and their descendants until about the middle of the 60s of the 20th century.
        Although ... most of the Cossacks became peasants in Little Russia.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 6 August 2020 01: 16 New
          0
          Most historians and ethnologists interpret the concept of "Great Russian" differently.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 6 August 2020 11: 25 New
          0
          Quote: sevryuk
          Cossacks cannot be Great Russians - the latter are the peasant population of the Muscovy of the times of Alexei Mikhailovich and their descendants until about the middle of the 60s of the 20th century.

          Great Russians (Great Russians, Great Russians [1], Great Russians, Great Russians [2]) - a concept used in relation to the northern (north-west and north-east) group of Eastern Slavs as their self-determination or external representation and survived a number of transformations during the XVIII - early XX century.
          1. gsev
            gsev 9 August 2020 14: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Great Russians

            Great Russia is a territory occupied by the Russians after the expansion of their state beyond the real homeland of Little Russia. Great Britain is a territory captured by Duke William of French Brittany. Greater Greece - Greek city-states in Italy and Sicily outside of Greece. Each person has a small homeland, where the settlement where he was born and spent his childhood and a large homeland-state in which he is a full citizen. When in Russia the Cossack was not a full citizen to consider him a non-Russian person?
        3. gsev
          gsev 9 August 2020 13: 59 New
          0
          Quote: sevryuk
          Cossacks cannot be Great Russians - the latter are the peasant population

          Cossacks are a military class in the Russian state. The first statements about the Cossacks as a separate nation and a country of Cossacks came from the lips of German chauvinists in the 1930s, who dreamed of resuming Drang nach Osten. Another thing is that there are henchmen in Russia who are ready to repeat the fate of Vlasov, Voskoboinik and Kaminsky.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 August 2020 18: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      paternal from the Semirechye Cossacks

      Let us tell the truth, the "Semirechye Cossacks" have a very distant relation to the real Cossacks, a variant of mummers, a kind. Three friends of mine left their ranks in Kyrgyzstan back in the late 90s, they were tired of stupid drunkenness accompanied by shouts - "Anything we are Cossacks!" "Love!"
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      whether I am Russian or not my maternal grandfather is a Pole, both grandmothers are from Great Russians on my paternal side from the Semirechye Cossacks

      Here you have to decide who you are. If you haven't decided yet, then it's not Russian. request
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 5 August 2020 19: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Let's tell the truth, "Semirechye Cossacks" to the Cossacks

        fool
        Yes, are you talking about those who built Fort Verny so - RAGED? !!!
        who do you think it is ?!
        and the Amur Cossacks are not Cossacks, etc.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 5 August 2020 20: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          who do you think it is ?!

          Twirl the emoticon for yourself. And whom I called the mummers and why, I described in detail.

          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          are you talking about those who built Fort Faithful so - RAGED? !!!

          There is no Faithful - there is Almaty, there is no Pishpek - there is a fictional Bishkek. The Cossack nationality was abolished by the Bolsheviks, and a register was invented. However, this is for you to Don and Kuban, Terek to those who consider themselves Cossacks by birth, and not according to the register. I'm an expert in general, you confuse Manas with Kant at times. "Experts" all around. laughing laughing
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 August 2020 21: 29 New
            -1
            you write nonsense, what is there or not, read carefully what you answered to a specific post
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 5 August 2020 21: 31 New
            -1
            Quote: Tank Hard
            I'm an expert in general, you confuse Manas with Kant at times. "Experts" all around.
            Reply

            in the elder's garden, but I confused and apologized, unlike you, at that time I was very close to the scene
            once again the fort was founded by the loyal Cossacks?
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 5 August 2020 21: 43 New
              -1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              elderberry in the garden, but confused and apologized, unlike you, I at that time was very close to the scene

              I lived there at that time in the area of ​​Toktogul-Sverdlov streets, in a cube called "Glass" (aka "Energetic"). And the area called "Boston" is generally the guys and I came up with, on the wall of the 67th school there was a famous drawing in those days, they drew from a famous guy in the area - his name was Rafik. Who is raving here?
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              once again the fort was founded by the loyal Cossacks?

              for the special I repeat. modern "Semirechye Cossacks" have nothing to do with the foundation of Verny, like Pishpek, the rest was written earlier.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 August 2020 07: 02 New
                -1
                Quote: Tank Hard
                for the special I repeat. modern "Semirechye Cossacks" have nothing to do with the foundation of Verny, like Pishpek, the rest was written earlier.

                and what have you dragged it into ?!
                what does the modern "Cossacks" have to do with it ?! or the main thing to blurt out?
          3. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 August 2020 01: 23 New
            +1
            There was no Cossack nationality in the Russian Empire. It was an estate. And on a national basis, they were recorded as Great Russians, less often as Little Russians. There were Cossacks Yakuts, Kalmyks, etc. Some of the historians of that time considered the Cossacks to be either the fourth (if the Rusyns were considered Little Russians), or the fifth branch of the Russian people. But this was a controversial point of view.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 6 August 2020 06: 48 New
              -1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              There was no Cossack nationality in the Russian Empire. It was an estate. And on a national basis, they were recorded as Great Russians, less often as Little Russians. There were Cossacks Yakuts, Kalmyks, etc. Some of the historians of that time considered the Cossacks to be either the fourth (if the Rusyns were considered Little Russians), or the fifth branch of the Russian people. But this was a controversial point of view.

              Quote: Sergej1972
              There was no Cossack nationality in the Russian Empire. It was an estate. And on a national basis, they were recorded as Great Russians, less often as Little Russians. There were Cossacks Yakuts, Kalmyks, etc. Some of the historians of that time considered the Cossacks to be either the fourth (if the Rusyns were considered Little Russians), or the fifth branch of the Russian people. But this was a controversial point of view.

              Moreover, this is your point of view. Here I am more interested in Gumilev's version. And so, it is best to ask the Cossacks themselves. wink
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 6 August 2020 10: 37 New
                0
                Those with whom he spoke, of course, consider themselves Russians and patriots of Russia. Although there are really few real Cossacks left. They constitute a minority of the population in the places of their original residence, and in a number of Cossack regions there were more nonresident Cossacks than Cossacks even in pre-revolutionary times.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 6 August 2020 10: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  Those with whom he spoke, of course, consider themselves Russians and patriots of Russia. Although there are really few real Cossacks left.

                  Once upon a time, an instructive story happened to me. My father had a brother, he had a daughter, my cousin. Father's relatives have always boasted of their origin and surname. And in one conversation my sister said that I could not fully understand them, because I am only half, because my mother is Russian. Since then I have decided for myself that I am Russian and am proud of belonging to this great nation. hi
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 6 August 2020 10: 48 New
                0
                And most specialists are interested in the point of view of other ethnologists and historians.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 6 August 2020 10: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  And most specialists are interested in the point of view of other ethnologists and historians.

                  Well, to each his own, this is their opinion and not necessarily the most correct. wink
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 5 August 2020 10: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: Sergej1972
    In the era of globalization, you can live in another country for many years and not lose touch with your homeland. A lot here already depends on a person's conscious choice - whether he wants to preserve his national identity or whether he wants to fully assimilate.

    You are absolutely right. A living example is the Russians in (in) Ukraine.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 5 August 2020 10: 32 New
    +5
    Short summary:

    1. On the territory of the former empire, the question is more about the inhabitants of the temporarily uncontrolled territories: 3 Ukraine or the Baltic states are not independent for too long. It is not a fact that it will last long.

    2. In the far abroad, Russians (we do not consider the gusskys at all) usually leave the grudge against the state, therefore they are not particularly inclined to form diasporas and are quickly assimilated. Unlike Jews or Armenians.
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  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 5 August 2020 10: 33 New
    0
    And how many of these Russians and Russian-speaking, living abroad, receive a Russian pension? And the level of this pension will be higher than that of the citizens of Russia.
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 5 August 2020 10: 42 New
      +3
      if the agreement between the countries is signed then get. how much - exactly as much as in the Russian Federation only in terms of currency. but the Russian pension is so miserable (basically, and after the reform it is so sure) that it is possible to live on it in the world in a very small number of countries ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 48 New
      -1
      If a person has lived his whole life or most of it there, why should he get it at all? And if he is not a citizen of the Russian Federation at all.
      1. notingem
        notingem 7 August 2020 15: 26 New
        +1
        Yeah. And five years plus the citizens of the Russian Federation you take into account. I take into account. Pay. It’s not in the Russian Federation that I want it and I turn it over. The partners are strictly
  • bulava
    bulava 5 August 2020 10: 35 New
    11
    In Belarus and Uzbekistan, there are approximately 800 thousand Russians

    I smiled about Belarus. And the remaining 8 million are like Belarusians who, for some reason, speak Russian?)
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 5 August 2020 11: 43 New
      +2
      And the dad himself, who spoke his message in great and mighty.
    2. Postum
      Postum 5 August 2020 11: 50 New
      +2
      Laugh further. Belarus is quite a mono-national state, the Belarusian identity has already been formed. This is also confirmed by a recent study by political scientists from RANHIGS, where 60.4% of respondents completely combed their hair when asked about belonging to the Belarusian nation and 20% agree that they are Belarusians. As for their nationality, 87.2% consider themselves to be Belarusians in general (18% between the ages of 29 and 92.8).
      Therefore, the language still does not say anything, except that Russian is more convenient than Belarusian. Americans and Canadians do not consider themselves British, although they speak English.
      Here is an article, if you don't believe https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/stanovlenie-belorusskoy-identichnosti-v-epohu-refleksivnogo-moderna
      1. bulava
        bulava 5 August 2020 12: 00 New
        +7
        Language, mentality, common history, but take every little thing everyday - everything is like in Russia. I have no doubt that there are real Belarusians who speak the Belarusian language, but I have never seen such people and my friends from Belarus have never seen them. Maybe before the Second World War it was different, but we all know that after the war, people from all over the country went to the republic, since the local population significantly diminished from the German occupation and military operations. So this card with the "Belarusians" is now advantageous for our "Western partners" to play in the Ukrainian scenario. Since the times of the Russian Empire, we have not been fixated on nationality, building a community according to completely different, more progressive principles. And our "partners" shout in one ear about tolerance, and in the other about national identity (with an emphasis on what kind of Russians are bad).
        1. Postum
          Postum 5 August 2020 14: 06 New
          +1
          It is because of people like you that they consider themselves Belarusians
          1. bulava
            bulava 5 August 2020 14: 22 New
            +2
            Yes, I’m an internationalist, I don’t divide people according to national, religious or other affiliations. I am simply stating the fact that a certain national card is being played (sucked out of the finger)
            1. Postum
              Postum 5 August 2020 16: 19 New
              +2
              Oh, how interesting it is to hide behind internationalism, claiming that Belarusians are Russians, although they themselves do not think so
              1. bulava
                bulava 5 August 2020 18: 52 New
                +1
                Why does this question come to the fore at all now? Think carefully. I'll tell you. From time immemorial, this territory was part of the Great State and now it has only one road - to us in the Russian world. And against this, predictably, our "Western partners". The only option is to rock the situation in the spirit of the Maidan, to bring the national issue to the fore.
                1. Postum
                  Postum 5 August 2020 20: 14 New
                  0
                  Here again, who is talking about what, and lousy about the bath
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                  1. bulava
                    bulava 6 August 2020 09: 17 New
                    0
                    I don't know how it is with you in Lviv, but here in Tatarstan or Tuva - everyone can freely speak their native language, profess their native religion, wear national costumes and so on. Our state never assimilates anyone by force. Don't confuse us with the Anglo-Saxons.
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                      1. bulava
                        bulava 6 August 2020 09: 29 New
                        +2
                        Oh, Misha, you went on a slippery path. The people themselves voluntarily remained a part of the Russian Federation, the local authorities have greater powers than in the "Russian" regions, huge funds are spent on the development and preservation of the culture of different peoples, who wants to learn their native language - teaches. And teaching, yes, in Russian, since it has long been a lingua franca. And again - the people do not complain, the people are so happy, but there are some excesses on the ground and you must fight with them, correct your own mistakes. And I draw your attention to the fact that perhaps nowhere else in the world is there such a thing that the federation has republics. In China, these are autonomous regions; in the United States, these are Indian reservations. And only our Great Power always, I emphasize, always! treated other peoples with emphasis on respect! And the Baltics in Soviet times, in general, rolled like cheese in butter. How much the Russians put in there! And the Baltics were prestigious, desirable, interesting. And now it is an unnecessary sideline of the European Union without development prospects.
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                      3. bulava
                        bulava 6 August 2020 09: 38 New
                        0
                        Misha, we will talk to you when you stop giving links to a dubious source recognized in the Russian Federation as a foreign agent.
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                      5. bulava
                        bulava 6 August 2020 09: 46 New
                        +1
                        Mikhail, you are sending me a link to a source where information is not hidden that:
                        Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty is an independent, non-profit media corporation funded by with grants from the US Congress through the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG).

                        It is very sad that for a Russian person (if it is true) such sites serve as a source of information.
                        Well, Shevchenko is also an ambiguous character.
              2. bulava
                bulava 6 August 2020 09: 33 New
                0
                If you, Mikhail, really live in Russia, then
                What language is teaching in Tuva?
                looks strange. You decide whether at you or at Us.
              3. Smirnov Mikhail
                Smirnov Mikhail 6 August 2020 09: 37 New
                -1
                And you forbid me to look at my people and their behavior from the outside? Moving away? And once again, pull up the culture and not "you" -kay ..
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 6 August 2020 12: 14 New
              0
              For example, Mordovia. When you come to Saransk, the city is no different from other regional centers. There is practically only one Russian speech on the street. During recess, the overwhelming majority of students at Ogaryov Mordovia University speak Russian. How else, if more than three-fifths of the population are Russians, and in Saransk their percentage is even greater. Mordovians are bilingual, but most of both Moksha and Erzi speak Russian, and many do not speak their own languages ​​at all. And more than half of the Mordovians live far beyond the borders of Mordovia, and are naturally assimilated. And some of the Erzians generally do not consider themselves to be Mordovians and consider themselves a separate people. A similar situation is with the bilingual Mari, they are also less than half of the population of Mari El, only, the level of ethnic self-awareness is slightly higher. Udmurtia. The capital Izhevsk is a Russian city mainly in terms of national composition, Udmurts in the republic are slightly more than a third of the population. Mordovia, Mari El, Udmurtia, like the northern republic of Komi, are constructed subjects with arbitrarily set boundaries. In the same Tataria there are slightly more than half of the Tatars, in Kazan there are approximately equal parts of Tatars and Russians, in some areas of the city there are more Russians than Tatars. At the same time, three-quarters of the Tatars live outside Tatarstan, and a significant part is far beyond the Volga region. There are many of them in the Non-Black Earth Region, in the Far East, and in Moscow and the Moscow Region. In Bashkiria, the largest population group is Russians, in second place are Tatars and only in third place are Bashkirs. Although officially the Bashkirs are in second place since the beginning of the XNUMXs, this raises doubts in scientific circles. You talk a lot about the threat to the Volga region, but you forget that three quarters of its population are Russians. Both Russians and other peoples have been living there for a long time, in strips of stripes, the areas of settlement of some peoples overlap with others.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 6 August 2020 11: 23 New
      0
      Not Great Russians, but Russians. This is the position of some of the Belarusians.
  • Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 20: 44 New
    -2
    The West has nothing to do with it. The peoples are at war, and the peoples are friends. Through their political classes. But there are peoples-ethnic groups on the planet. And the state is a way of ethnic existence. Ethnopolitical institution ..
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 August 2020 12: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Postum
    Americans and Canadians do not consider themselves British, although they speak English.

    The main thing is who you think you are, not others.
    1. Postum
      Postum 5 August 2020 16: 20 New
      0
      Well, so they consider themselves Belarusians
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 5 August 2020 20: 01 New
    +1
    The sir confuses the reckoning with something and the essence. If a person is called a pig 100 times, then he grunts. Here are a couple of tens of millions of Russian people Ukrainian and Litvin.
    1. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 20: 48 New
      -2
      There are no Russians there. There are ethnic Little Russians, Lithuanians, Poles and so on. In Crimea, there are ethnic Tatars .. By the way, they have a beautiful language. Do you speak Tatar?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN4knddFcKU&t=329s
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 6 August 2020 11: 17 New
        0
        There are ethnic Russians (Great Russians) there. And the population censuses of Ukraine and Belarus confirm this.
        1. Smirnov Mikhail
          Smirnov Mikhail 6 August 2020 11: 19 New
          0
          I will not argue, not everyone has been dispersed yet ..
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 6 August 2020 13: 13 New
            0
            8 million Russians will be expelled somewhere from the territory of Ukraine? This is the core, which does not change the identity, the unscrupulous did it during the census of the early XNUMXs.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 6 August 2020 11: 21 New
        0
        In Crimea, for the most part Russians (Great Russians) live, in second place are Ukrainians, and in third place are Crimean Tatars. Who don't like this name. They do not call themselves Tatars. And in their language and culture, they have serious differences from the Volga Tatars. And there are practically no connections between them.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 6 August 2020 12: 23 New
    0
    In the event of moving to the Russian Federation, a significant part of Belarusians begins to position themselves as Russians.
  • Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 20: 40 New
    -2
    The rest are ethnic Lithuanians (for the most part), who for some reason call themselves Russians. The situation is as with the Udmurts and Chuvashes. Those, too, are not ethnic Russians (and some do not even consider themselves as such). But they are ready to call themselves Russians, especially if they have a mixed marriage. Do not confuse ethnicity with the fantasies of the political class of a particular country (Russian people, Belarusian people, American people, British people and so on)
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 6 August 2020 11: 14 New
    0
    Well, experts talk about double self-awareness. Both Great Russians and Belarusians live in Belarus, who consider themselves at the same time a part (some consider even the best) of the Russian people, and there are Belarusians who consider themselves a separate ethnic group from the Russians. In turn, some of the latter recognize their relationship with the Great Russians. And there are those who believe that Russians and Belarusians are originally different ethnic groups. As you can see, Belarusians have at least three options for self-identification. And the proportions of their carriers differ by region and district.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 8 August 2020 13: 51 New
    0
    If people consider themselves Belarusians, what to do?
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 5 August 2020 10: 35 New
    +6
    At the exhibition, the Japanese presented a new non-stick frying pan that cannot be scratched. We installed a sign next to the stand - anyone can try a bunch of different items. Everyone tries - no one can scratch. The next day they look - on the frying pan the word X% Y is scrawled in bold ... Scandal, screams, investigation ...
    Find a watchman.
    You say you scratched it?
    - Me, why?
    - How did you manage it ??? It's impossible !!!!
    - But I tried, tried - it doesn't work, I got angry and went home for a diamond glass cutter.
    This is about us smile
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 August 2020 10: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      At the exhibition, the Japanese presented ...

      I saw a similar situation with my own eyes in 1988. True, in the form of an anecdote, it looks shorter and funnier:
      A Japanese saw was brought to the plant.
      The workers put a board in it.
      - Zipper! - said the saw.
      - Oh! - said the workers.
      Workers put a log in it.
      - Zipper! - said the saw.
      - Oh! - said the workers.
      Workers stuffed scrap into it.
      "Khbhrrrpshshshh ...," said the saw.
      - A-ha-ha !!!, - said the workers.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 5 August 2020 11: 57 New
        0
        it was necessary to break the saw (the disc and the blade are good) for crafts in the personal household.
        previously all-metal were valued. not common metal with brazed plates or segments
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 August 2020 10: 41 New
    0
    How many Russians live outside Russia
    ... Judging by the article, quite a lot ...
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 5 August 2020 10: 45 New
    +7
    I read the article and somehow inspired -
    -Hello! Where are you from?
    -We are from Russia!
    - Why are you threatening right from the doorway?
  • Asad
    Asad 5 August 2020 10: 57 New
    0
    The son has definitely decided to leave for permanent residence, they are waiting for the opening of the borders. The processor continues unfortunately.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 5 August 2020 19: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: ASAD
      The son has definitely decided to leave for permanent residence, they are waiting for the opening of the borders. The processor continues unfortunately.

      Fair wind! No regrets.
  • Avior
    Avior 5 August 2020 11: 04 New
    +5
    ... in Ukraine, there were about 2014 million such citizens before the dashing 8. After the coup d'état, which was followed by an outburst of pathological Russophobia and the numerous exodus from the country of precisely the Russian people, their number in the “non-zalezhnoy” decreased, according to some estimates, to 6-7 million.

    Haraluzhny in his repertoire.
    Taking into account the fact that most of the 2 million population of Crimea are Russians, it is obvious from its figures that there was no mass departure of Russians from Ukraine on ethnic grounds.
    Although this is already known, however, if they left, it was for completely different reasons, regardless of nationality.
    But from Kazakhstan there was a massive outflow of Russians, especially in the 90s, the number of Russians as a whole in Kazakhstan decreased by almost half from more than 6 million to 3 million people, this is perhaps the largest exodus of Russians from their area of ​​residence. perhaps throughout history.
    But the author has tolerated this topic.
    https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Национальный_состав_Казахстана
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 August 2020 12: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      the number of Russians as a whole in Kazakhstan has almost halved

      How many of these "Kazakhs" had to be seen in the villages of the Smolensk, Tver and Kaliningrad regions.
      People lost their homes, jobs, everything that was acquired.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 5 August 2020 11: 18 New
    +3
    A. .. from my point of view, the title is not very correct. Russian for which group of determining factors, or one factor is the main one? Which one? Nationality according to ancestors, nationality according to documents, mental stereotypes, language, place of birth, place of long-term residence? So what did the author mean. wassat
    Ps. Just chat here. What a weak goal ... or it didn't exist at all.
    1. Vilensky
      Vilensky 5 August 2020 12: 23 New
      +2
      Russians are genetically the most homogeneous nation.
      hi
    2. Avior
      Avior 5 August 2020 12: 36 New
      +3
      Confuse nationality and ethnicity
      Ethnicity presupposes a common origin, a linguistic, psychological, religious community. Community of residence in one territory is optional. An example is Russians, Jews.
      And national - belonging to a nation - a group of people living in one country.
      For them, the self-awareness of the group as a single community and the community of the territory of residence are important. Language, origin, religion, etc. do not have to be the same.
      Example Russians, Israelis, Canadians, Swiss
      Nations can be made up of different, distinct ethnic groups, and they can speak different languages, like the Swiss or Canadians.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 August 2020 11: 37 New
    +1
    Is it Russian at the level of genetics or at the mental level?
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 5 August 2020 11: 48 New
      +1
      Mental.
      At the level of genetics, Russians, in their pure form, probably practically do not exist.
      We are international.
      For example, my ancestors that I know about
      It:
      Russian
      Germans
      Ossetians
      Austrians
      And I am Russian without any doubt.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 5 August 2020 11: 58 New
        +5
        yes everything is even easier. I'm German, Ukrainian wife, Russian daughters)
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 41 New
          +2
          Well, you are more likely to be of German origin by self-awareness. Or do you really consider yourself a German?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 5 August 2020 14: 24 New
            +1
            don't just count. I was also born in Germany) although this is more likely a coincidence) it's not about self-awareness. it's about traditions and upbringing.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 5 August 2020 15: 25 New
              0
              It's also good.)
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 August 2020 12: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Livonetc
        And I am Russian without any doubt.

        I also have Poles, Lithuanians, Tuvans, monogols and even Bulgarians, and I myself am Russian, although my grandfather spoke Guran.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 5 August 2020 15: 23 New
          +1
          And I, on the contrary, right up to great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers, on both lines, are entirely Great Russians.
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 35 New
        +3
        On the contrary, the core of the Russian people, approximately 75-80%, is genetically homogeneous enough. The remaining quarter are Russians by self-awareness, but most of them have Russian ancestors by blood. Most of the teachers of the Ural-Volga peoples, who do not consider themselves Russian, nevertheless, have one or another share of Russian blood.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 August 2020 12: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      Is it Russian at the level of genetics or at the mental level?

      Where I was born we were all Russians, although there were Germans, Poles, Swedes, Gurans and many other nations, and all mixed in a couple of centuries, but we were and are all Russians.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 34 New
      +2
      One does not exclude the other.
  • Vilensky
    Vilensky 5 August 2020 12: 20 New
    0
    However, which is strange, in Armenia, which seems to be friendly to us (co-religionists, moreover)

    Where did the author get that the Armenians are co-religionists? The Armenians are Monophysites *, and this is a heresy condemned at the Council of Chalcedon.
    * - M. postulates the presence of only one, unique Divine nature (nature) in Jesus Christ and rejects His true humanity.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 44 New
      +1
      Well, Christians anyway. The ROC and the Armenian Apostolic Church have friendly relations.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 5 August 2020 12: 23 New
    +2
    Russians remain Russian only in Russia (USSR)! Getting to foreign countries, they assimilate in 1-2 generations. Are there many Russians in Uruguay now ?! Namely, the Russians helped this country win the war with its neighbors in the 30s of the 20th century! Monuments of that war remained, but where are the descendants of the victors and what language do they speak ??? The same can be said about the USA, Gayrope, etc.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 August 2020 12: 42 New
      +1
      Probably not in Uruguay, but in Paraguay.) And there weren't that many of them. But Old Believers living in Latin America do not assimilate, although they marry locals.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 5 August 2020 12: 56 New
        +3
        Their religion "holds together." Modern Russians, mostly without religious ties, are assimilating.
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 5 August 2020 18: 39 New
        +2
        Sorry, confused ... And the Old Believers keep a separate group, and if they marry the locals, then taking into account the transition of the locals to their true faith (Old Believers) and the study of the Russian language. And the "educated class" that emigrated after the Civil War completely disappeared.
    2. Andrey Grad
      Andrey Grad 5 August 2020 12: 55 New
      +5
      Russians remain Russians beyond the modern borders of Russia, even when Moscow throws them and turns away. When there is discrimination against Russians, reaching the point of humanitarian genocide, the prohibition of the Russian language, education, the prohibition of work, career and development.
      Despite this, the Russians are fighting and hoping for the strength of their people.
      The Russians understand that the Kremlin has no time for them, sanctions, corrupt elites, stream-2 ... but they still hope that there will be a unification of the Russian people and Russian lands and the announcers of the first channels will replace the term "Russian-speaking compatriots" with "our Russian people" ...
      1. Smirnov Mikhail
        Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 20: 55 New
        -2
        What are you doing yourself? For example, with the same Tatars?

        And if you change to "our Russian people", then what are the rest of the ethnic groups of the Russian Federation planning to do with? And they are not Russians, if anything ..
        1. Andrey Grad
          Andrey Grad 6 August 2020 12: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Smirnov Mikhail
          What are you doing yourself? For example, with the same Tatars?

          And if you change to "our Russian people", then what are the rest of the ethnic groups of the Russian Federation planning to do with? And they are not Russians, if anything ..

          There is no logic in your opposition, one does not contradict the other.
          But if you want, maybe the Tatars, just like us Russians in the Baltic states, are forbidden to speak Tatar, they were deceived of citizenship, their names and surnames were deceived, they are forbidden to choose and be elected, they are forbidden to work in state bodies and state companies, it is forbidden to work in the police and the army, or maybe they are forbidden to publicly demonstrate the front-line awards of their grandfathers?
          1. Smirnov Mikhail
            Smirnov Mikhail 6 August 2020 20: 18 New
            0
            Learn local languages, pass exams, assimilate, and you will have everything .. And yes, the next time you write your horror films, the word "was deprived of" write through "and" ..
            1. Andrey Grad
              Andrey Grad 28 August 2020 15: 49 New
              0
              We will do without your recommendations, what to do and how to live. And yes, if there are no arguments, and there is nothing to lie, then grammatical errors remain the last argument of the loser.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 August 2020 12: 24 New
    +2
    The second "outpost" of Russian residence in the post-Soviet space is definitely Kazakhstan. Before the collapse of the USSR, there were generally about 40% of the total population of the republic.
    More precisely, before the collapse of the USSR in 1989, the number of Russians was 6, while the Kazakhs were 227. Today their number is 549. Most of all Russians left Tajikistan. In 6, 534 Russians lived in Tajikistan, today the number of Russians is 516.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 5 August 2020 12: 43 New
    -1
    Now your nationality is not important, but your knowledge is important.
    What about goals? You can read this about the USSR, if it is nibelme. Nostalgia.
    And in general, soon the artificial intelligence will decide everything for everyone and will save from the global flood, but not all only "enlightened ones."
  • Shahno
    Shahno 5 August 2020 12: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    Confuse nationality and ethnicity
    Ethnicity presupposes a common origin, a linguistic, psychological, religious community. Community of residence in one territory is optional. An example is Russians, Jews.
    And national - belonging to a nation - a group of people living in one country.
    For them, the self-awareness of the group as a single community and the community of the territory of residence are important. Language, origin, religion, etc. do not have to be the same.
    Example Russians, Israelis, Canadians, Swiss
    Nations can be made up of different, distinct ethnic groups, and they can speak different languages, like the Swiss or Canadians.

    That is, the author is trying to highlight the Russian ethnos. On what basis? Didn't understand his criteria. And the situation is clear.
    If I understand anything, you should officially put Russian in the box .. and this is the official data.
  • iouris
    iouris 5 August 2020 13: 11 New
    +1
    In Ukraine, everyone is Russian. So what?
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 5 August 2020 13: 24 New
    +1
    Good article on the topic, covers it quite fully and accurately.
    I myself published an article on this topic, although, unfortunately, then I did not finalize this particular issue. Now the fully revised article is lying and waiting for publication. Someday somewhere it will be MANDATORY published. But not on VO: after all, on VO, by the highest decision of the publishing editor, publications are forbidden to me!
    As for the article, Alexander shouldn't have indicated the percentage only for Canada: this is a VERY important indicator. After all, 550 thousand for Latvia and Canada is not the same thing at all.
    And as for the self-identification abroad of emigrants from the USSR and Russia, then this is someone who feels and puts himself like himself!
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 August 2020 13: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      As for self-identification abroad of emigrants

      An emigrant is not a business traveler with a special mission. So don't count.
    2. Smirnov Mikhail
      Smirnov Mikhail 5 August 2020 20: 58 New
      -1
      Congratulations, colleague. I, an ethnic Russian, are also prohibited. What should we do if we are strangers even in the Russian ethnos? We'll have to learn Tatar, the Tatars, I think, will not mind if far from stupid people join the ethnos ..
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 5 August 2020 14: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Livonetc
    Mental.
    At the level of genetics, Russians, in their pure form, probably practically do not exist.
    We are international.
    For example, my ancestors that I know about
    It:
    Russian
    Germans
    Ossetians
    Austrians
    And I am Russian without any doubt.


    Draw the male line in your genealogy to the level that you know, here it is through the haplogroups in the DNA and determines your nationality. And everything else is either secondary or mental.

    The gene pool of modern Slavs (like other peoples) is rather heterogeneous, nevertheless, for all groups of Slavs, the Y-chromosomal haplogroup is characteristic R1a1 (47% for Russians, up to 44% for Ukrainians and up to 50% in Belarus). A significant part is also the Finno-Ugric N1c1. On the outskirts of the area, the Slavs absorb the haplogroups of neighboring peoples. For northern groups of Russians, haplogroup N1c1 is characteristic. For the southern Slavs, haplogroup I2a (CTS10228) is not uncommon, indicating a Volyn contribution. For the Western Slavs, R1b is characteristic.
  • place
    place 5 August 2020 15: 59 New
    -1
    The main thing is clearly "escaping" from the author - the meaning, the logic of events. He does not go further than enumerating the facts without indicating their meaning. And the facts themselves hint that the emigration of Russians began in 1917, and before that there was smoothness and grace.

    However, we know that after the war with Napoleon, back in 1813-1814, tens of thousands of Russian soldiers settled safely in France, Germany, Austria! We took the opportunity not to return to the place where the "Russian spirit" and serfdom. Sniffed as it were. And they decided that they had enough. Well, the nobles, since the 18th century, poured into the West in considerable quantities ....... into the very "window" that Peter the 1st cut through.

    Alexander I issued a manifesto on August 30, 1814, in which he promised that the state would pay everyone (and there were more than 40 thousand deserters!) To return to Russia and would not persecute and punish anyone. The king asked King Louis XVIII for assistance in returning the fugitives to their homeland. But the king was not able to fulfill the sovereign's request, since the French helped the fugitives to hide, and therefore not one of them returned to the fatherland.

    In this opus, Russians are presented as natural sacrifices. But not a victim of objective circumstances, but someone there ... a passive crowd controlled and dispersed by non-Russians. The author does not even realize that such an approach is an implicit recognition of his own inferiority, almost according to Goebbels... Here it is, in our opinion, it is immediately clear that the article was written by either a Russian or a Ukrainian!
    1. place
      place 5 August 2020 16: 31 New
      0
      Our genius A.S. Pushkin to his friend Vyazemsky in a letter on May 27, 1826:
      "Of course I despise my Fatherland from head to toe - but I am annoyed if a foreigner shares this feeling with me. You, who are not tied, how can you stay in Russia? If the Tsar gives me a settlement, then I will not stay a month. We live in a sad time, but when I imagine London, cast-iron roads, steam ships, English magazines or Parisian theaters and brothels, then my deaf Mikhailovskoye makes me sad and mad.
      In the 4th pѣsnѣ of Ongin, I depicted my life; someday you will read it and ask with a sweet smile; where is my poet? in it, the gift is primtno - you will hear the sweetheart in the answer: he fled to Paris and will never return to damned Russia - oh yes, clever "

      True, in this case, it was not possible to blame the West. Not allowed to travel abroad .....
      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 5 August 2020 20: 32 New
        -1
        Is it too difficult to post the previous text?

        "We have neither pride nor shame in our relations with foreigners - when the English are playing we fool Vasily Lvovich; before M-me de Staël we make Miloradovich differ in the mazurka. The Russian master shouts: boy! lordly words to a curious traveler. All this gets into his magazine and is published in Europe - this is disgusting. Of course, I despise my fatherland from head to foot - but I am annoyed if a foreigner shares this feeling with me. "

        Another great Russian writer, however, wrote about the Smerdyakovs a little later.
        1. place
          place 10 August 2020 18: 18 New
          0
          Quote: sevryuk
          Of course, I despise my fatherland from head to toe - but I am annoyed if a foreigner shares this feeling with me. "

          Quote: sevryuk
          Is it too difficult to post the previous text?


          Post previous text? No, not weak.
          Quote: ort
          Of course, I despise my Fatherland from head to toe - but I am annoyed if a foreigner shares this feeling with me.


          Would you like to post the following text? I see that it is weak ...
          This is a characteristic feature of the obsequious lackey, who Smerdyakov was ... unlike A.S. Pushkin.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 August 2020 16: 32 New
    0
    On the Malvinas (Falkland), there are about 20 Russian-speaking people, where there are none of ours. crying
  • sevryuk
    sevryuk 5 August 2020 20: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: serpent
    You, leavened patriots, always like Raikin: "If it's better than in 1913, it's good."

    Can you credit?
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  • Klingon
    Klingon 5 August 2020 23: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: CSKA
    Quote: Klingon
    the wise leadership of the country - the Elves, is systematically carrying out a plan to destroy the rest of the hobbits .. all their tricks with pension reforms and zeroing are proof of this. I wonder if the hobbits die out / scatter, who will work for the prosperous, prosperous immortal (zeroed) elves?

    And what kind of thundering has settled in your head that you write such nonsense? Is it that the elves have such a cunning plan for destruction that would raise the standard of living, life expectancy, give money for the birth of children?

    who raised the standard of living? show me this glorious sorcerer!
    and what are those pitiful handouts from the master's table for the birth of children? wassat
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 August 2020 07: 16 New
    0
    The outflow is, of course, large. The main thing is to separate everything by year. Then it will be quite clear why this is happening.
  • Cop
    Cop 6 August 2020 08: 13 New
    0
    Mr. Author, why did you write this article for? For the general development of your readers or are you getting paid for each character? I would understand you if you wrote an article about the reasons for emigration, and most importantly about its perpetrators. It would also be nice to highlight in the article your vision of working with our compatriots abroad. After all, they are the conductors of the so-called. "Russian world" and outside Russia. What did you show us in your article? Statistical data, with an error ranging from several hundred thousand to several million. In general, your article is about nothing, Mr. Haraluzhny.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 9 August 2020 17: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Statistics, please. It is desirable from several sources, differently aligned.

    Open the Rosstat website. source, though one, but to the limit official. Well, look in the demography section for operational information on natural growth. Central Federal District, for this year, minus 130 thousand people, plus only in Moscow. But the Russians there are not the fact that the majority. Northwestern Federal District - minus 34 thousand. Growth only in the Nenets Okrug. Volga Federal District. There is no gain anywhere. Minus 99 thousand. Urals and further, an increase in the Tyumen region and national districts / republics. It's almost the same in the south.
    In general, the percentage of Russians in Russia is falling quickly and efficiently. The largest age group is 70 and over. And in total, from 55 and older -43 million, as of January 1, 2020. The age group 25-35, this is the one that gives birth to children mainly - 22 million. But children from 0 to 9, that is, children born by the above generation - 17.9 million. That is, about 20% less than is necessary for simple reproduction. The people do not want to be fruitful in a blessed country. And in 25-30 years, when those who are now over 55 die ... The percentage of Russians will fall below 50. And the average rate of extinction is about 1/4 per generation. It is difficult to calculate more precisely, because there is no breakdown by nationality, but the overall total will be a maximum of 2-4% in one direction or another. Are you satisfied? Can we already begin to praise the wise leadership of the country, leading the Russian people to prosperity and well-being?
    The cult of the family was destroyed and other ideals were imposed, which in turn set different priorities. People dream of anything, but not two or three children, or even four or five. In many families, and as it is not paradoxical in the materially prosperous 1 child, 2 is the maximum and already a rarity.
    Recently, there are good tendencies and examples of young people's attitudes towards marriage, family, children, but this is more and more a movement from the bottom, from somewhere even healthy nationalism. Look even at the statistics on the names that young people choose, I was recently pleased and unusual to hear the names of my colleague's children - Tikhon and Zakhar ...

    It should be at the level of national ideology - a large family. And even laughter and sin this status now has a family with only 3 children.

    Unfortunately, Russian communities abroad do not have proper support, apparently considering ourselves big, we did not attach any importance to this, as small nations and states. A simple example is before our eyes, in our country - all immigrants from other states have communities that represent their interests, becoming a soft barrier to assimilation. Many states have structures for working with diasporas abroad. Unfortunately, our horse was not lying there. There is no program, so sometimes in jerks, at a ragged pace, now one thing, now another, but persistent and consistent work in this direction is not carried out.
  • Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 10 August 2020 09: 25 New
    0
    It seems like it's still a long way to the elections, why did they remember "about Russians abroad"? Or am I missing something ...