The Ministry of Defense has decided on the requirements for the developed PAK VTA

The Russian Ministry of Defense has decided on the tactical and technical requirements for a promising military transport aircraft being developed. aviation, they are already approved. This is reported by Izvestia with reference to sources in the military-industrial complex.

According to the approved requirements, the new military transport aircraft, which in the future should replace the heavy An-22 and An-124, should be able to refuel in the air and carry at least 80 tons of cargo at a distance of 5 thousand kilometers. The length of the cargo compartment of the aircraft must be at least 27,5 meters, width and height - 5,8 and 4,4 m, respectively. PAK VTA should be equipped with four turbojet engines with thrust of 20-25 thousand kgf. The flight altitude of the aircraft should be up to 12 thousand meters, the cruising speed is 850 km / h.

Also, another and not a little important requirement of the Ministry of Defense for the new aircraft is its ability to be based on unpaved and snow airfields.

The military department emphasized that the designers are faced with the task of creating an aircraft capable of transporting all possible types of weapons and equipment intended for air transport. At the same time, the terms of reference indicated not only ground equipment, but also aircraft and helicopters, including the MiG-31BM, air defense systems and radars. He must also provide for the drop of the landing.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation previously reported that research work (R&D) is currently open to determine the characteristics of a promising military transport aviation complex (PAK VTA) and create its preliminary design. The new aircraft is being developed by PJSC "Il". The PAK VTA project should be ready by December this year, so that experimental design work (R&D) on the project will begin in 2021.

Comments

[Nasrat]

An idiotic picture. especially against the background of the written text !!! An-22 and / or An-124 - would have looked more harmonious ... Is it really not clear to the authors?

[Simon schempp]

There is a better picture.

[Wedmak]

Going into orbit happened by chance, a bonus. ))

[Thrifty]

Nasrat -in the chapter of the article, a top-secret photo of the prototype of this pack the editors rented a time machine from Herbort Wells for a couple of minutes, and flew into the future

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Nasr

An idiotic picture. especially against the background of the written text !!! An-22 and / or An-124 - would have looked more harmonious ...

For example, this is how the PRC sees its promising heavy transport aircraft (draft design).

[Engineer]

This arrangement of the engines suggests that the renders were done by a designer who has nothing to do with aviation. And the location of the ramp only in the tail compartment only strengthens my opinion that it has nothing to do with the real project.

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

I am an artist! I see so!
And the main thing is this color - warm silver ... almost GOLD

[Pereira]

See the door in the picture is smeared over? There is a serial number on it. A lot is smeared, so it's not just one number. At least a three-digit number.

[Hog]

Quote: Engineer

This arrangement of the engines suggests that the renders were done by a designer who has nothing to do with aviation.

Tu-16/104 say hello.
And the nose opens there like the An-124 (take a closer look).

[orionvitt]

Quote: Engineer

This arrangement of the engines suggests that the renders were done by a designer who has nothing to do with aviation.

These probably also had nothing to do with aviation.

[abrakadabre]

The back of such an aircraft will not burn from its own exhaust?

[Vadim237]

Guys designers outplayed a trip to computer games.

[Aibolit]

Quote: BDRM 667

For example, this is how the PRC sees its promising heavy transport aircraft (draft design).

Published by "Russian Spring" © 2015?
Chinese PLAAF futuristic super transporter - hand made by Hong Kong photo shoppers

Quote: Engineer

And the location of the ramp is only in the tail compartment

there is also a bow, just not open

[shinobi]

Someone in China really likes the Soviet / our Mriya. Take a closer look. It's she, the current is disfigured out of place by stuck dviguns.

[Bersaglieri]

This is not a project, but a render from a game site :)

[Bersaglieri]

Again "shkolota" minus. Or more adult amateurs in the rank of admins? :)

[newcomer]

It would be nice to build a VTA from the picture of the article.

[Engineer]

The authors, like the designer of the sigo miracle, are not versed in aviation at all. With such gigantic engines, and there are 3 of them, the entire fuselage will be occupied with ghee, so that an aircraft with such a midship can at least have a regional range. And I’m not talking about the ease of maintenance of the engines so configured. Technicians at the airfields will absolutely love it.

[bayard]

Quote: Engineer

The authors, like the designer of the sigo miracle, are not versed in aviation at all. With such giant engines

It follows from this article that the new BTA aircraft should have 4 (!) Engines with a capacity of 20-25 tf ... that is, it will / should be the same "Ruslan", but under the name Il. And there is no need to screw up anything - "Ruslans" were built at Aviastar, where they are now being serviced / repaired. At the end of 2013, the question of resuming the construction of An-124 in Ulyanovsk arose in full growth. Of course, together with the Ukrainian Antonov Design Bureau.
Why this did not happen is clear. It is also clear that for the sake of remotorization of the existing An-124 and the construction of their analogues, engines are needed with a thrust of plus or minus 23 tf
It is on such an engine - NK-23, that the Kuznetsov Design Bureau is working, sculpting it on the basis of the NK-32 gas generator (from the Tu-160). They are planning to install them not only on the existing Ruslans, but also on the promising PAK DA, and now also on a new PAK TA. And if they require a look by the end of the year, and start OCD from the future, then the engine is still working out, and they are in a hurry to prepare aircraft for it - for the sake of unification and serial production ...
Well ... if it doesn't work out as always ... with Rogozin ... and in general ...
The most sensible solution would be the same "Ruslan", but under the name ... "Ilya" ... because Ilyushin Design Bureau ...
Then it will be possible to start building in at least a year or two.
There would be an engine.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Engineer

so that an aircraft with such a midship could at least have a regional range.

And here, with the midsection, is everything all right?

Quote: Engineer

And I’m not talking about the ease of maintenance of the engines so configured. Technicians at the airfields will absolutely love it.

It is quite possible, with this arrangement, to approach the inspection and maintenance of engines from the inside.

[svp67]

Quote: Nasr

An-22 and / or An-124 - would have looked more harmonious ... Is it really not clear to the authors?

And on it there is Ilyushi looking forlornly from under the landing gear ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Nasr

An idiotic picture. especially against the background of the written text !!

Yeah. Continuous air intakes, no space is provided for the cargo compartment.

[vVvAD]

Quote: Nasr

An idiotic picture. especially against the background of the written text !!!

Yes, PAK TA / VTA, unfortunately, will not be like that.

[SAG]

Quote: vVvAD

Quote: Nasr

An idiotic picture. especially against the background of the written text !!!

Yes, PAK TA / VTA, unfortunately, will not be like that.

Well, with the flying wing scheme, you can exclude the engines in the nacelles under the wings, more likely there will be something similar to the B-2

[Piramidon]

Quote: SAG

Well, with the flying wing scheme, you can exclude the engines in the nacelles under the wings, more likely there will be something similar to the B-2

And where in such a wing can a large cargo compartment be placed? Bi-2 doesn’t need it, but the transporter cannot do without it ..

[Silver Fox]

This is a student work by Alexei Komarov, who received a special prize at the IATF-2014.

[dauria]

should be equipped with four turbojet engines with a thrust of 20-25 thousand kgf.

Once the engines have been set, then there is no need to sculpt "futuristic pictures" from Couture. Doing "Ruslan" and not being smart.
Even offhand 80-100 tons of thrust will give a take-off under 300-350 tons. Of these, 30% of the payload. Here's Ruslan. And don't be fooled.

[newcomer]

So what happened to the MO requirements for a carrying capacity of 200 tons, a supersonic speed of 2000 km / h, with NK93 engines? And there was a mountain of projects: IL106 with a carrying capacity of 100t., The same Ermak, too, ILovskiy, etc., and so on.

[dauria]

So what happened to the MO requirements for a carrying capacity of 200 tons, a supersonic speed of 2000 km / h, with NK93 engines?

Difficulties with the invention of gravitsap. Or someone sensible came and twirled his finger at his temple. Like "so and so. Ohm's law is not a constitution, it will not be changed"

[newcomer]

Maybe everything is much simpler than with Om and the constitution_ of money, it's a pity, or with the stamp "inappropriate" sent to the box.

[Vadim237]

The Elephant has everything left as PD 35 will be created, certified and production will be established, and a new military and civilian transporter for 180 tons will appear.

[D16]

Of which 30% of the payload

Ilyushin's design bureau no longer knows how ... On the Il-112, even 25 did not work.

[dauria]

IL-112 did not even work 25

Instead of figs to deviate from the original, to sculpt a wide fuselage and a "beautiful" but strong (and therefore heavy) keel with a HE at the top. They would send MO in three letters and say - either new engines of 3500 horses and you will have a jeep in the cabin. Or we will remotorize the An-26 and get a lyalka for everyone and even for export.
I don't know, but we seem to be in trouble. The commanders who were able to say, "What are you, sir?"
But there was once. I even found some.

[NEXUS]

Quote: dauria

Here's Ruslan. And don't be fooled.

The fact of the matter is that the Ministry of Defense does not need either Ruslan or Mriya, they need PAK TA. And apparently (according to the logic of things) this colossus will carry not as much payload as their predecessors, but more, possibly 300-350 tons. Otherwise, it was stupid to start all this in vain, but it was possible to organize the production of modernized Ruslans and not bother.
There are two questions - the carrying capacity and the dimensions of the cargo compartment, in order to cram there what was not pushed into Ruslan. And taking into account the fact that new BMPs, BMPTs, armored personnel carriers, etc. are being developed, it is very logical that the cargo compartment will be no less than that of Ruslan or Mriya, but more well.

[Herman 4223]

It's not even that. Ruslan was developed forty years ago, technology has stepped forward, designers need to get big, because we need a modern aircraft.

[Mountain shooter]

100 tons of thrust ... takeoff, which means 240-250 tons. 80 tons capacity - not a little? The 124th has 120 with the same engines. (the thrust is the same). and PD-35 could be put 2

[Orange bigg]

and PD-35 could be 2 laughing

Our military people like to insure themselves. Hence, even LMI wanted with two engines instead of one. Here is the same story. Yes, and 2 PD-24s will give more thrust than one PD-35. All the same, the economic component for the military is not in the first place, the main thing is reliability.

PAK VTA should be equipped with four turbojet engines with thrust of 20-25 thousand kgf.

PD-24 is likely to be on the PAK VTA. PD-35 will begin flight tests in 2025, based on its engineering solutions, PD-24 will be created. Since the engine from PAK DA is likely to be more voracious, it will be created on the basis of NK-32- 02 and it is unlikely that he will be on the PAK VTA.

[dauria]

100 tons of thrust ... takeoff, which means 240-250 tons.

You have laid something for him the thrust-to-weight ratio directly "fighter". 0, 28 - 0, 3 will be the norm. 300-350 tons of take-off will be pulled.

[Vadim237]

Written at least 80 tons and not a maximum of 80 tons.

[prior]

Joy came to our "kishlak".
For so many years, the Ministry of Defense has finally decided on its Wishlist.
Will we see this "miracle" in iron during our lifetime or will our children be lucky?
"Kukuruznik" have been waiting for many years and still nothing .... And then the PAK BTA!

[Orange bigg]

Quote: prior

Joy came to our "kishlak".
For so many years, the Ministry of Defense has finally decided on its Wishlist.
Will we see this "miracle" in iron during our lifetime or will our children be lucky?
"Kukuruznik" have been waiting for many years and still nothing .... And then the PAK BTA!

I don't know who's waiting for him. There are more important things to do. Namely, the development and serial production of the Il-276 and Il-112V medium and light transport workers. The problem is already overripe.

Now the picture is as follows: 70 An-12 and 140 An-26 are operated in the Russian Air Force and Navy.
It is clear that all these middle-aged cars are pretty worn out. And also, as they say, they "lagged behind life" due to the use of archaic equipment.
And this, alas, is beginning to affect more and more often. So, for example, in March of the year before last in Syria on the base "Khmeimim", not having reached half a kilometer to the runway, An-26 crashed. 39 people were killed. The accident happened for technical reasons. And this despite the fact that only polished equipment is sent to Syrian business trips.

But I hope the matter got off the ground.

a tender was announced for the creation of a medium-sized aircraft BTA. It was attended by two projects - Il-214, renamed Il-276, and Tu-330, which existed at that time in the form of aircraft concepts, worked out on an initiative basis.
And the Ministry of Defense again thought for a long time. Last autumn, two draft designs were presented to the commission. But only in April of this year, the Ministry of Defense chose the Ilyushin aircraft.
Thus, according to the general director of the UAC Yuri Slyusar, the aircraft is planned to be received in 2029.

https://vpk-news.ru/articles/57881

[K-612-O]

And what has the maize operator and the RF Ministry of Defense? The pile under the door is no excuse

[rocket757]

There was a Soviet aircraft designer Bartini. He created something similar, futuristic.
His "Serpent Gorynych" also flew, not bad!

[Simargl]

Quote: rocket757

There was a Soviet aircraft designer Bartini.

There was a time when designers createdpushing through your ideas. Now they are more artisans.

PS
Как designer draws, so be it. Constructors will force to fly.

[rocket757]

And yet, the plane is not a scooter. He needs to soar in airspace, and not crawl on the ground.
There are laws, it is not wise to grumble! Harmful! Dangerous!

[Simargl]

Quote: rocket757

He needs to soar in airspace, and not crawl on the ground.

The penguin flies (which is FE-35).

Quote: rocket757

There are laws, it is not wise to grumble! Harmful! Dangerous!

Yeah. Break the laws of physics.
Only now to break the laws of physicistss and physicistи - not the same thing. After all, how is it done? Taken a bug, turns, by various tricks into feature... By the way, evolution is a story of transformation bugs в feature, i.e. all living things are a bug solid.

[rocket757]

What's the point of spitting words around?
Tasty still won't work ...

[K-612-O]

See what they have done for the people's money, it already takes horror

[Rostislav]

Heavy transporter with a carrying capacity of 80 tons. at a distance of 5000 km. on a dirt / snowy runway?
Vague doubts plagued.

[Cympak]

So I wonder if the requirement to be based on an unpaved airfield will kill the entire PAK VTA project. At the very least, this requirement will complicate the project, increase the time, cost of the aircraft and its efficiency as a vehicle.
And most importantly, how often the implementation of this "Wishlist" is useful in practice.
It is necessary to leave the requirement of basing on the ground for the lighter aircraft of the BTA, and for the heavy one, this requirement is IMHO unnecessary.

[Simargl]

Quote: Cympak

And most importantly, how often the implementation of this "Wishlist" is useful in practice.

Make the racks removable. 25, say, for military needs and 9 for peaceful purposes.

[Orange bigg]

What are the doubts? The engines will be more powerful than on the same Il-76MD-90A. They must pull the required performance characteristics.

IL-76MD-90А, whose photo is striking in size compared to a car or another plane, takes off from a surprisingly short strip. 1,7 km is enough for him. Coasting during landing can be reduced to 960 m due to the operation of the engines in reverse mode. Airspeed can reach 800 km / h. Non-stop range depends on the mass of the load. The weight in 50 tons can be transported by thousands of kilometers to 5, and 20 tons to thousands of kilometers by 8,5.

https://fb.ru/article/158878/samolet-il--md--a-tehnicheskie-harakteristiki-i-foto

[yfast]

Quote: Rostislav

Heavy transporter with a carrying capacity of 80 tons. at a distance of 5000 km. on a dirt / snowy runway?
Vague doubts plagued.

Maybe they'll attach the caterpillars. And skis.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: yfast

Maybe they'll attach the caterpillars. And skis.

Air cushion.

[Kaw]

According to the approved requirements, the new military transport aircraft, which in the future should replace the heavy An-22 and An-124, should be able to refuel in the air and carry at least 80 tons of cargo at a distance of 5 thousand kilometers.

And how many tons of cargo could An-124 carry? We "develop" further and further.

[Orange bigg]

The An-124 in terms of technical characteristics transports 120 tons per 4800 km. At least 80 tons per 5000 km are the military laying straw, if something goes wrong. But since the An-124 was built in Ulyanovsk, then for sure there is documentation for it. I think that the PAK VTA in terms of performance will be no worse than the An-124.

[Cympak]

An-124 is a very good car, but too big for most traffic. They plan to make PAK VTA smaller, but more cost-effective. This is a repetition of American history from the C-5 and the C-17.

[Kaw]

Isn't it easier to develop new engines for Ruslan?

[Orange bigg]

Ruslans do not last forever. Sooner or later they will have to be changed for something, and before that time it is possible to repair the existing D-18T. Moreover, their repair has been mastered. I think this is the optimal solution before the launch of the PAK VTA production.

[Figvam]

hike this TK for a new version of IL 96-400T

[KrolikZanuda]

The picture from the video from 2015.

[kutuz]

There is a curse on the abbreviation "PAK", it must be changed

[Undecim]

Tomorrow, after tomorrow at best, Ryabov will publish a lengthy article on this topic, where he will describe the process of "shaping the image."