BOD "Admiral Levchenko" is being modernized following the example of the same type "Marshal Shaposhnikov"

The large anti-submarine ship (BOD) "Admiral Levchenko" of project 1155 will be modernized following the example of the same type "Marshal Shaposhnikov". This is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the shipbuilding industry.

According to the source, the BPK, which is part of the Northern fleet, is currently parked in Severomorsk awaiting a decision to start modernization and repairs. To date, the location of the work has not yet been determined. Also, the source did not say anything about the approximate start of work on the ship. The last sailing of the ship to the sea took place in 2018.

BOD "Admiral Levchenko" is currently in Severomorsk awaiting a decision on repair and modernization. The place of work has not yet been determined

- leads news source word agency.

Let us remind you that the Marshal Shaposhnikov BPK became the first ship of Project 1155 to undergo modernization and retraining as frigates. The return of the ship to the Pacific Fleet is planned before the end of this year. As previously stated in the Ministry of Defense, it is planned to modernize all the remaining BODs of Project 1155.

The large anti-submarine ship "Admiral Levchenko" was laid down on January 27, 1982 under the name "Khabarovsk", on May 24, 1982 it was renamed into "Admiral Levchenko". Launched on February 21, 1985. Commissioned on September 30, 1988. May 1, 1989 included in the aircraft carrier group of the Red Banner Northern Fleet.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Looks like a budget upgrade ...
Something ... illogical.

[APASUS]

Quote: Victor_B

Looks like a budget upgrade ...
Something ... illogical.

How illogical, we just do not build ships of 6000-7000 tons, so we started modernization

[Alex777]

This means that not only the Pacific Fleet will be modernized.
Although nothing is clear yet. Where? When?

[bayard]

Quote: APASUS

What an illogical

This is the most affordable and well-proven modernization, expanding the capabilities and extending the operation by 15 - 20 years. Any deeper modernization of old ships will be more expensive, last longer, and therefore disable them for a longer period.
Pleases something else. Before there was talk of modernizing ONLY the Pacific 1155s, the SF BOD was not going to be modernized. And since we have also taken up the BOD of the Northern Fleet, there is hope that all 8 ships of this type will be upgraded and will still serve. It means that there were capacities for the shipyard and money for this.
And this is good .

[g1v2]

What is illogical? BODs were narrow specialists - they will become multifunctional ships. 1155 are extremely dependent ships that cannot defend themselves against surface ships. After modernization, they receive PCR. One cannon is removed, the uksk is pushed in instead. The air defense system is being modernized. A new electronic warfare system is being installed.
True, based on displacement and equipment, this is more likely a destroyer, but it looks like our destroyers will now be classified as frigates.

[mvg]

What is illogical?

And only that they are not rivals to anyone in the Pacific Fleet. Neither Japan, nor the South Caucasus, nor the PRC, nor Singapore. A stupid investment of money. It is better to invest in shipyards and vocational schools, and in twenty years to build both a civilian woman and a military-industrial complex.
We need to build / do what we can do and what we can do. Aviation and nuclear submarines. Japanese / crack destroyers URO with BIUS Aegis laugh at this upgrade, as do the Chinese 052D and 055. We are losing the little export potential that we had. Pr 11356 and 636.6

[g1v2]

Let them laugh. UKSK will help them laugh if something happens. They have no analogues to zircons or at least onyxes yet. The shipyards are constantly being invested. One Star is worth something. 1155 is a good tenacious project, and it will certainly serve as a frigate for 10-15 years. It is clear that over time, this project, like 956, like 11540, like 1135, should be replaced with various options 22350. But it will not be soon, while they are being built, the service will be carried by 1155. And again, the fleet is a composite organism, not separate types of ships. The interaction of NK, submarines, aviation and coastal troops determines how much jap or someone else will have the opportunity for aggression.

[venik]

Quote: Victor_B

Looks like a budget upgrade ...

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That's right, that "budget" !!! Only budget there it turned out OGO-GO! And as a result: "not to God - a candle, not a devil - a poker"!
PS The topic of modernization of "Shaposhnikov" was discussed in detail here at VO 2-3 weeks ago.

[bayard]

Quote: venik

That's right, that "budget" !!! Only the budget there turned out OGO-GO!

This is because the main one is in modernization, and there were VERY big problems with the repair of the power plant. Many doubted that the overhaul of the power plant could be carried out at all, because these are "Ukrainian turbines". A considerable budget was allocated for the creation of capacities for this repair. Now repairs and upgrades should go more fun - on the knurled one. And in less time than the head.
But the fact that the Federation Council decided to modernize its BODs according to this project is just a celebration of the soul, because before it was about modernizing ONLY the Pacific 1155s. That means more ships will serve.

Quote: venik

And as a result: "not to God - a candle, not a devil - a poker"!

If you mean that its air defense capabilities remained the same, then this does not mean at all that the ship has become (precisely became) defective. This is a large anti-submarine ship, which has now received shock capabilities + avionics upgrade.
If about the fact that his TA was not changed for "Packet-NK" ... but they left the bombers. So there is something to fight off torpedoes. And you can load new torpedoes into old torpedo tubes, the same "Physicist" or "Case".
But it was the budgetary option of modernization that was chosen, and it is possible that this is due to the limited capabilities of the SRZ, with its competencies. In any case, nothing prevents the replacement of TA when upgrading the following ships - there are 7 more of them. next in line.
And completely change air defense systems, radar systems, change launchers ... it's easier to build a new ship.
And in terms of money, and in time, and in the complexity of the work.

[Nemchinov Vl]

I welcome you - Vitaly

Quote: bayard

Many doubted that the overhaul of the power plant could be carried out at all

I must admit that even now I have a lot of doubts that all questions about the possibility of a major overhaul of the power plant for 1155 have been fully resolved, and gone into the past ?! therefore, when you so boldly assert about the numbers in

Quote: bayard

prolonging operation by 15 - 20 years...

I cannot get rid of many doubts (!)... For at least 10-12 years ...

[bayard]

Greetings Vladimir!

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

therefore, when you so boldly assert about the numbers in
Quote: bayard
extending operation by 15 - 20 years ...
I cannot get rid of a lot of doubts (!). For at least 10-12 years ...

Unfortunately, I have no reliable data, but for a number of indirect signs ... the next BODs were dragged too quickly for repair and modernization ... And the intention to modernize the BOD of the Northern Fleet ... So there is confidence that the power plant will be repaired with a good extension of the resource it will turn out, there is someone and where. In addition, if it were not so, then for the sake of another 10 years of service, it is unlikely that they would have started modernization - they would have cost the usual repairs and waited for the arrival of new ships. It's still a lot of spending, and not only financial. The terms of the usual repair with maintenance and the terms of the modernization work are also slightly different, in order to save time, so that the ships can be returned to service as quickly as possible, would have cost a simple repair. And since the "Calibers" were poked, the X-35 was added, it means more ships will serve ... then there is confidence in this. And the service life after modernization is usually defined as 15-20 years. Even if 15, this means only the head (for modernization) will serve until 2035.
And this is good.
By that time, the change will catch up.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: bayard

for a number of indirect signs ...

и

Quote: bayard

if it were not so, then for the sake of another 10 years of service ...

quite (in my opinion, for example) may indicate that not all problems at the "Star-Reducer" are a thing of the past (!), and the speed of their receipt for DGTA M55R, (namely the PO55R reducers) leaves much to be desired (!). Somewhere in the region there are 2 pairs of gearboxes (one let's call the car kit, for one ship), no faster than 1,5-2 years ?!... Hence, the timeframe for the transfer of even those laid down in two years (the last 4 frigates) according to the plans in the tables of 7 years does not come out (!!!).... Perhaps for this very reason, they decided to slow down the write-off (disguised as "modernization" BODnis 1155). (!)...
Unfortunately, I don’t believe that everyone will pass, as you do. May God give four - five to restore and slightly strengthen. ... And what happened with "Shaposhnikov", for 5-6 billion.(!), in comparison with the price of 22350 (about 36 billion), plus the inability to build them faster (at this stage), perhaps pushed the Navy to choose, so to speak, "the lesser of two evils" (!). ... Well, this is how I see it all ...
I really hope that on the basis of the promising Kolomna diesel engine 16SD-500 (10000 hp), they will finally focus on (!), they will create from it a "quadruple" (by analogy with the DDA-12000) GEM, and with it they will give a second life to the project "Thunder" 12441 ..... This could replace the subclass of escort escort Soviet "Petrel" (1135), and help fill the fleet with cheaper workers in VI 2700-3200 t. at its modern diesel power plant ... (!).

[bayard]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

not all problems on "Zvezda-Reduktor" are a thing of the past (!), and the rate of their receipt for DGTA M55R, (namely, PO55R reducers) leaves much to be desired (!). Somewhere in the region there are 2 pairs of gearboxes (let's call one a car kit, for one ship), no faster than 1,5-2 years ?!

This is what is alarming. I heard that a large number of new gear-cutting machines were delivered and deployed ... But they also need machine operators ... and fitters, assemblers ... and technologists ... Yes, the quality of the first power plant already installed on the ship is still unknown - sea trials will begin only at the beginning of next year. But 1,5 - 2 years for a set ... I think it's still for the first time, the first set.

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

And what happened with "Shaposhnikov", for 5-6 billion (!), In comparison with the price of 22350

I think the experience with the "Shaposhnikov" simply inspired the naval authorities - for the cost of one new 22350, you can upgrade ALL the remaining 1155 (7 pieces).
The fact that everything may not work out - I admit, then it will come out with the pace of work. If the dock period does not exceed 2 years (and another half a year or a year of completion afloat), then it may work out. If the conveyor is launched at two shipyards.
But even 4 - 6 pieces 1155 in a new look is power.

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

I really hope that on the basis of the promising Kolomna 16SD-500 diesel engine (10000 hp), they will finally focus attention (!), Create a "quadruple" (by analogy with the DDA-12000) power plant from it, and with it will give a second life to the project "Thunder" 12441.

It is unlikely that "Thunder" is relevant today. On the four 16SD-500, you can sculpt something like a Chinese 054, a kind of dried 22350 VI 3500-4000 tons, but on diesel engines ... It just seems to me that with these diesel engines there will be no less bagpipes than with travel gearboxes for 22350.

[Doccor18]

With retraining as frigates ... 

And the modernization "budget" and the rank of the ship was lowered. From BOD (destroyer) to frigates. But these will be the largest frigates in the world ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: Doccor18

the rank of the ship was lowered. From the BOD (destroyer) to the frigates.

However, they are both of the first rank!
I was surprised myself.

[Pavel57]

Now a normal frigate, the German ones are larger.

It is necessary to do repairs on Zvezdochka. They are doing well there.

[alexmach]

Nevertheless, such an upgrade is much better than no upgrade. Without it, they can only go to write-off.

[Hog]

It seems to be necessary to rejoice, but not joyful from the word at all.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hog

It seems to be necessary to rejoice, but not joyful from the word at all.

Why not rejoice? A large ship with shock weapons. And as a pure anti-submarine, he was so-so. Any 1124 would have lost it upon detection. Perhaps the helicopter helped out. Well, now it will become a full-fledged frigate, it's a pity only with so-so air defense.

[Hog]

Why not rejoice? A large ship with shock weapons.

Well, if this is an achievement, then yes, full of joy pants)))
With the same success, any new dry cargo vessel (etc.) with the ability to install containers with Calibers will cause even more joy.

Any 1124 would have lost it upon detection

Perhaps only 1155 is intended to operate offshore, and 1124 only in the coastal zone.

Well, now it will become a full-fledged frigate

The size of a destroyer and without AA defense

it's a pity only with air defense so-so

Why, they decided to carry out modernization cheaper.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Hog

Why, they decided to carry out modernization cheaper.

Was it better in the BOD-only version? I doubt it.

[bayard]

And why is sadness?
That the Federation Council also decided to modernize its BODs and extend the service life by 15 - 20 years?
Giving them shock capabilities?
Now there is a chance to upgrade all 8 BODs of this project. Previously, it was only about the modernization of 3 - 4 Pacific.
We learned how to repair (capital!) GEM, which previously had very big problems ... How can this not please?
The other day "Marshal Shaposhnikov" went to sea trials. And apparently the tests are going well, if such decisions are made - to upgrade the ships (1155) now and the Northern Fleet.

[Hog]

And why is sadness?

Here recently an article was about the absurdity of this modernization, read it, you can understand.

[bayard]

I read it and took part in the discussion.
Just ask two questions:
- Does the modern fleet need Project 1155 ships? For at least another 15 to 20 years?
- if in the course of medium repairs their combat capabilities are expanded and shock capabilities appear, is that good?
Or bad?
It makes no sense for him to change the SAM, RLK and PU for SAM - it is expensive, long, difficult, unjustifiably short service life after modernization.
The cost of the upgrade you want will be equal to the cost of the new 22350. Is the purpose worth it?
Or is it better to upgrade the entire fleet of 1155s in both fleets as quickly as possible (and the chosen degree of modernization allows)?
Unlike the "outraged members of the forum" our very likely opponents still highly rate these ships precisely for their anti-submarine capabilities. And now they will be able to sink ships at a distance of 500 - 1000 km. , and strike deep into enemy territory at a distance of up to 2500 - 3000 km.
"Package-NK" was not installed (saved?), But the bombers were left behind. So the ship has / still has anti-torpedo weapons. And it’s not a fact that the “Packet-NK” complex will not be installed on other 1155 ships during the modernization - there are 7 more such ships in the queue.

[Hog]

- Does the modern fleet need Project 1155 ships? For at least another 15 to 20 years?

At the moment, they are not very much and are needed (the combat value is insignificant), after this upgrade their value will not grow any more.

if during the middle repair their combat capabilities are expanded and strike capabilities appear, is that good?

Expansion is different and the current version is not even satisfactory (and most likely made for show, if only the sailors were behind).

Unlike the "outraged members of the forum", our very likely opponents still highly rate these ships precisely for their anti-submarine capabilities.

And therefore they were deprived of these opportunities after modernization.

And now they will be able to sink ships at a distance of 500 - 1000 km. , and strike deep into enemy territory at a distance of up to 2500 - 3000 km.

Yes, 16 Caliber and 8 Uraniums, but a straight arsenal ship turned out.

but they left the bombers

Achievement, but not WWII now.

[bayard]

Yes, you are a straight strategist.

Quote: Hog

At the moment, they are not very much and are needed (the combat value is insignificant), after this upgrade their value will not grow any more.

The most loaded with combat services ships?
Which of the campaigns have not climbed out all the post-Soviet years?

Quote: Hog

Expansion is different and the current version is not even satisfactory (and most likely made for show, if only the sailors were behind).

For check ?
Yes, you are truly a strategic naval commander.
The value of the 1155 is that it is a LARGE ANTI-SUBMARINE ship, armed with the Polynom and two anti-submarine helicopters.
AND PLUR.
Bombers and torpedoes are also for the same purposes.
And now, in addition to all this wealth, there are also 8 X-35 anti-ship missiles (there could have been more, but apparently they decided that eight would be enough, the Americans generally manage with 4 in peacetime), 8 PLUR of a new type in the UKSK (maybe more or less, but we will consider that their number in the basic version will remain), 8 (plus or minus) long-range anti-ship missiles with supersonic or hypersonic flight speed.
New avionics (secure communications, electronic warfare, updated radar, control system, etc.), in your opinion, will not expand combat capabilities?
Sorry .

Quote: Hog

Unlike the "outraged members of the forum", our very likely opponents still highly rate these ships precisely for their anti-submarine capabilities.

And therefore they were deprived of these opportunities after modernization.

And what then? What opportunities have they been deprived of?
Did they dismantle the Polynomial from him?
It was not equipped with new PLUR?
Have you removed bomb launchers and torpedo tubes?
Instead of PLO helicopters, they placed pleasure ones - for tourists to ride over the water surface?

The ship did not lose any of its combat capabilities and received new ones.
And he has an overhauled power plant.

Quote: Hog

Yes, 16 Caliber and 8 Uraniums, but a straight arsenal ship turned out.

Believe it or not, this is more than that of the newest frigate 22350 (it has only 16 cruise missiles in the UKSK, but does NOT have the Kh-35 anti-ship missile system for lower priority targets). But nothing prevents to place, if necessary, not 8, but 16 such missiles on 1155. And even twice as many (32), placing another 16 pieces. on the waist, starting aboard.
Why were only 8 pieces posted? ?
And this is why most American destroyers and cruisers only have 4 Harpoons. No longer required in peacetime.
And yes - at least 8 anti-ship missiles on 1155 are the most serious of anything that can be on ANY ship of a potential enemy.
They simply DO NOT have either supersonic or hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
Till .
Therefore, the "arsenal" for an ordinary, but very good, LARGE ANTI-SHIPPING ship is very good.
Moreover, the space in the new podium on the site of the 2nd tower is quite enough to accommodate not 2, 3 UKSK with 24 CR in their cells. Look more closely at the footage of "Shaposhnikov's" release on the running gear or at his photographs, and it will become obvious to you yourself.

If it hasn't come down to it now, it's already ... to the doctors. And I opened your eyes as best I could.

[Hog]

The most loaded with combat services ships?
Which of the campaigns have not climbed out all the post-Soviet years?

Yes, they were needed, tk. they just were (the newest ships at that time + they are not pr. 956). Now their time has passed.

And now, to all this wealth, there are also 8 X-35 anti-ship missiles.

Yes, but 8 Uranus could have been delivered that way (and at a much lower cost).

if necessary, not 8, but 16 such missiles

And then what's the use of the BOD? There is a decent series of Karakuts for Calibers.

And that's why most American destroyers and cruisers only have 4 Harpoons

Well, yes, and some kind of 74/122 Tomahawk (with the adoption of the TLAM-E with anti-ship missile capabilities).

they simply do not have any hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
Till .

So we do not yet (the tests are not yet known how long they will last, and when I accept, how many will buy them).

Believe it or not, this is more than that of the newest frigate 22350 (it has only 16 cruise missiles in the UKSK, but does NOT have the Kh-35 anti-ship missile system for lower priority targets)

Only here is the BOD equivalent of a destroyer.

New avionics (secure communications, electronic warfare, updated radar, control system, etc.)
And he has an overhauled power plant.

Well this is a plus, here I do not mind.

3 UKSK with 24 CR in their cells

If that were so, then it would have gone where, but it is not so.

If it hasn't come down to it now, it's already ... to the doctors. And I opened your eyes as best I could.

After you. Imposing your opinion, well, well.

[bayard]

What kind of nonsense are you talking about?

Quote: Hog

Yes, they were needed, tk. they just were (the newest ships at that time + they are not pr. 956). Now their time has passed.

These are the best workhorses of the fleet in the DMZ and OZ. And as a BOD, these are the best ships in the world at the moment. They have the best GAK. Even now .

Quote: Hog

And then what's the use of the BOD? There is a decent series of Karakuts for Calibers.

"Karakurt" to the far sea zone?
To the ocean?

A young man with such knowledge on the forum of the magazine "Murzilka".

Quote: Hog

Well, yes, and some kind of 74/122 Tomahawk (with the adoption of the TLAM-E with anti-ship missile capabilities).

Do not fantasize - this is the total number of cells, for missiles too.

Quote: Hog

they simply do not have any hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
Till .

So we do not yet (the tests are not yet known how long they will last, and when I accept, how many will buy them).

Have you heard anything about the Onyx anti-ship missile system?
And what about Granite?
Basalt?
Volcano?
Mosquitoes?
Finish school, young man, expand your horizons, read good, smart books ... serve at least compulsory military service in the Army or the Navy ... and only then, you can appear without much shame on the military forum, where there are many educated and well serving members of the forum.

Quote: Hog

Only here is the BOD equivalent of a destroyer.

What's the equivalent?
In displacement?
7500 tons, of which more than 1000 tons are accounted for ONLY by Polynom! On the GAK !!!
Today the VI of the German frigate is greater than that of our 1155.
And our BOD also has TWO helicopters on board.
Anti-submarine.
His mission is the OPPONENT'S SUBMARINES!
Everything else is options.
Therefore, there is no RCC on it - only PLUR.
True, 1155.1 already have 8 Moskit anti-ship missiles in service, but there is only one such ship.

Quote: Hog

3 UKSK with 24 CR in their cells

If that were so, then it would have gone where, but it is not so.

"NONE" !!!
Unified State Exam.
In terms of its strike capabilities, the Shaposhnikov surpassed the best frigate of the Russian Navy, type 22350. If they place 3 UKSK on the following ships, then they will surpass the shock capabilities of the frigates of the second sub-series (the last four) of type 22350.1 with 24 CD in 3 of their UKSK, because 1155 also has at least 8 X-35 anti-ship missiles.
And two helicopters, instead of one at 22350.
And he cannot improve air defense - it will remain as it is. For the near zone, the air defense system is already good.
And some good advice from an older friend:
Study !
... ... ... Study !
... ... ... ... ... ... ... And once again - LEARN !!!
So grandfather Lenin bequeathed.
A very useful testament.
And less often to express and advertise their stupidity, ignorance and limitations.
STUPIDITY is a VICE!
Often unconscious.
But at the same time - OBVIOUS.
Deliberate, assertive stupidity is already a clinic.
... Read at least Wikipedia ... ... even it has a lot to learn about these topics.
Ask more and be interested, and APPROVE AS LESS AS POSSIBLE.
You do not have solid knowledge yet.

[Hog]

And as a BOD, these are the best ships in the world at the moment. They have the best GAK.

And then everything is clear with you.

"Karakurt" to the far sea zone?
To the ocean?

Yes, they are seaworthy, and the lack of range can be compensated for by a tanker (which are all sent exactly with large connections).

Do not fantasize - this is the total number of cells, for missiles too

This universal cell and if they want there will be so many PCRs, they will not ask you for permission.

Have you heard anything about the Onyx anti-ship missile system?
And what about Granite?
Basalt?
Volcano?
Mosquitoes?

It's even worse than I thought.
Read at least Wiki what is the difference between supersonic and hypersonic

His mission is the OPPONENT'S SUBMARINES!

So for this it was necessary to modernize Polynomial.

If you place 3 UKSK

These are your fantasies.

"NONE" !!!
Unified State Exam. request

A space in front of a punctuation mark is not put by a smart guy.

this is already a clinic

Clinic this year you consider yourself smarter than others.

[garri-lin]

Well, and then some comrades just wrote off this ship.

[Angry]

Modernization, at least some kind, of course is good ... But only at the Pacific Fleet there is only one BNK carrier of the Kalibr RK, this is Shaposhnikov. And on the Northern Fleet, there are already two frigates of Project 22350, each with 16 Caliber CR. It is clear that the distribution of the BNK carriers of the Kalibr missile launchers among the fleets will not be uniform, taking into account the fact that the corvette of project 20385 with the 8th Kalibr missile launcher will arrive at the Pacific Fleet this year. But somehow it was expected that the second BOD pr. 1155 will also appear at the Pacific Fleet ... Well, let's see. Maybe Levchenko will be transferred to the Pacific Fleet after the fashion? Then, as if logically, there is a strengthening of the Northern Fleet by the newest ships of Project 22350 with the "Caliber" missile carriers, and the Pacific Fleet by the modernized BOD. Then both fleets will have a pair of BNK carriers of the first-rank "Caliber" missile in the oceanic zone.

[alexmach]

That one ship, that two - and both are critically insufficient. And the modernization of the ship for the Northern Fleet theoretically does not in any way interfere with the parallel modernization of the ship for the Pacific Fleet. There is actually nowhere to pull, the modernization, and so at least 10 years late, they need to be modernized as soon as possible.

[bayard]

Quote: Angry

But as it was expected that the second BOD pr. 1155 will also appear at the Pacific Fleet

At the Pacific Fleet, they are going to modernize ALL existing BOD 1155, that is, all 4. And the news in the article is that now a decision has been made to modernize ALL BODs of the Northern Fleet. Also all 4 pieces.
Previous statements stated that only Pacific BODs are subject to modernization, now - after the successful start of sea trials of Marshal Shaposhnikov, a decision has been made to modernize all the BODs of the Northern Fleet. With modernization, the service life is extended by 15 - 20 years.

[Escobar]

The wretchedness of such modernization at VO has already been described https://topwar.ru/173385-nepolnocennaja-modernizacija-marshala-shaposhnikova.html

[Sahalinets]

Those. will the complete helplessness of the ship even against the most primitive aircraft remain? Hmm ... I hope we don't have to fight at sea ...

[bayard]

Quote: Sahalinets

against the most primitive aircraft

The air defense system of 1155 is quite effective in the near zone (up to 15 km), so it will definitely fight off "any of the most primitive" ones. And from the CD that is not "the most primitive" - ​​it will also fight off, for this there is not only missiles, but also AK-630 and new electronic warfare systems, as well as systems for setting dipole and aerosol jamming, fired traps that imitate the signature of the ship - to reorient the enemy's missile defense ...
This is BOD.
Initially.
Not a destroyer or a cruiser.
Its task is anti-submarine defense of the warrant, free hunt for enemy submarines, and now strike functions against ships and, if necessary, stationary land targets.
An attempt to rebuild the air defense of this ship will lead to a radical restructuring of the entire ship, which will result in a price comparable to the construction of a new one ... but it will remain so - an old ship with a resource extended by 15 - 20 years.
What you want is called a "multifunctional ship", and now these are being built - that's 22350.
And 1155 is a SPECIALIZED anti-submarine ship.
Even if you place 16 "Caliber" \ "Onyx" on it.
And it is very good that a decision has been made to modernize ALL ships of this type in both fleets ... Before, it was about the modernization of only Pacific BODs.
This means that the sea trials of the Shaposhnikov are going well.

[Sahalinets]

You forgot that when developing the project it was supposed to use 1155 in tandem with 956. But even then it did not work. And now, with our poverty ... who will cover him?

[bayard]

Who is covering them now?
They go on an autonomous voyage, serve.
Now they will become even more toothy.
Few ?
For more, there are other ships - cruisers, frigates 22350 are under construction, 22350M are being developed.
And these 1155s are LARGE ANTI-YOUTH SHIPS.
And they will remain so, even if they are called frigates.

[venik]

".... Project 1155 large anti-submarine ship (BOD) "Admiral Levchenko" will be modernized following the example of the same type "Marshal Shaposhnikov". ..... "
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Pancake! Again the SAME "rake" !!! Already how many experts (really EXPERTS, not "experts") have criticized the notorious modernization of "Shaposhnikov", from which it turned out "neither this nor that" ("not to God - a candle, not a poker"). But the budget "sawed off" - glorious!

[Bashkirkhan]

When in the 90s they sawed on nails up to 20 years old, justifying this by the fact that the state was unable to maintain such a large fleet, no one thought that the time would come when the speed of building new ships would become less than the aging rate of the existing ones. Who is to blame for this is an idle question. What to do - the issue of preserving and strengthening the combat capability of the fleet - is a topical issue, but, as often happened in the history of the fleet, in the interests of industrial workers, designers, Fleet command, repairmen and other groups of people who, by and large, need the Fleet itself as a fifth dog leg, that is, it acts simply as a means of getting dough and other nishtyaks. I understand this to mean that there is simply not enough influential person, or a group of people who could push the idea of ​​building a sufficiently large series of, if not magnificent, but at least just decent ships to close the current gaping holes.
The same 22350, which they wanted to configure two dozen units, were built only 2. Another two are waiting for the power plant for a year. And those 1155 that are still running are exploited with a very serious load. If you change one 1155 to one 22350, then 22350 will start to operate with the same load as before 1155. Now, provided that the power plant continues to be a problematic part, both with production and with repairs. Then 22350 will also fall into the same situation as 1155 with a power plant. It's a vicious circle.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

... but at least just decent ships ...

such a project is 22350, but the trouble is in the speed of its construction, due to a non-systematic approach to the shipbuilding programs of the Navy as a whole. On the example of comparison with China, we already seem to have somehow discussed this ?!

Quote: Bashkirkhan

The same 22350, which two dozen units wanted to configure

this is how it should be, only faster than it is going now. it is necessary to change the approach to shipbuilding programs, increasing the impact on weak spots in these programs (!).

Quote: Bashkirkhan

What to do - the question of preserving and strengthening the combat capability of the fleet - is a topical question, but, as often happened in the history of the fleet, in the interests of the industrialists, designers, and the command of the Fleet,

Since the assembly speed of GEM 22350 cannot be increased right now, we must first of all help those enterprises that slow it down (in this case, Zvezda-Reduktor !!). this time... Since the corvette 20380 turned out to be too expensive, we must look for a reasonable alternative to it. ?! It may well become 11664, at the same power plant, with the same SAC, but the air defense system is no longer Redut (which made the ship expensive, but in view of the impossibility of installing a full-fledged Polyment antenna on the small VI ship, it could not become functional at long ranges) to install the Shtil-1 air defense system, which will make the corvette cheaper and no less functional (!). these are two... Well, an option "parallel three ways", to close these obvious shortcomings of the new BNK for the fleet, (in my opinion), this is the fastest and full financing of the promising Kolomna diesel engines 16SD-500 (10000 hp), under strict control of the targeted use of the allocated funds, in order to get these engines "on the mountain" in the next two years. Creations from them similar "quadruple" (as DDA 12000), and resurrect project 12441 "Thunder" under it, as main forged patrol frigate to complement the formation of the KPUG (!).
Such rough three measures, allow, without additionally loading the "Saturn" and "Star reducer", to build in parallel three classes of ships necessary for the fleet (!).
For the systematic replacement of "Albatross" (1124), project 11664. Its role as PLO in BMZ.
To compensate for the decrepit fleet of BODs and endangered destroyers, the 22350 series is still being built up.
To replenish the old Soviet 1135 almost gone into history, the project "Thunder" 12441, on a diesel power plant from four 16SD-500 ...

[Vladimir1155]

the main thing is not to curtail its anti-submarine functions

[Pattor]

Exactly. Everyone talks about calibers. And its main function was forgotten.

[musorg]

How many messages on this topic, and he is still at the wall. However, there is nothing to write that?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Sahalinets

Those. will the complete helplessness of the ship even against the most primitive aircraft remain? Hmm ... I hope we don't have to fight at sea ...

Any ship can be sunk - the only question is the outfit of air strikes.

[Sahalinets]

The question is the cost of destroying the ship. And in this case, he will be shot with impunity from a distance from which he cannot even answer.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Sahalinets

The question is the cost of destroying the ship. And in this case, he will be shot with impunity from a distance from which he cannot even answer.

The harpoon has a range of 200 km. What missiles should a frigate have to shoot down the Harpoon carrier?

[Angry]

ASM "Harpoon", in the aviation version has a range of 200 miles ... That is, neither we nor anyone else will be able to fight the carriers .... But since we have no such air defense systems, we need to increase the multichannel of the MD air defense system and bring down everything that "falls out" because of the radio horizon. SAM MD "Dagger" is quite adequate protection against subsonic anti-ship missiles / UAB. But there are only 64 of them ... That is, we can expect that he will shoot down 32 anti-ship missiles. Well, under certain conditions. But now a new supersonic AGM-88ER AARGM has appeared. In addition, there are small-size AB, which aircraft can carry an order of magnitude more than the Harpoon anti-ship missile system, it is necessary to strengthen the MD air defense system. Probably by creating a PAM-type launcher with Sosna R missiles, etc. And, accordingly, installing several launchers on all BNKs. But for some reason we do not do this ... Of course, ZRAK "P-M" is a wonderful complex (when we bring it up to standard) but it is expensive, but in the SHP there are only 32 zur in two drums. It is necessary to increase the number of drums to 4-6-8. (Up to 64,96,128 zur) And make such a purely rocket version. And present MZA as a Duet. And spread them around the ship, as they do in other fleets.

[Pavel57]

32 anti-ship missiles will knock down, and then all hope for the Almighty and electronic warfare.