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"The most effective in the world": the creation of the Iron Dome missile defense systems begins for the needs of the United States

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It became known about the formation of a joint venture organized by the Israeli company RAD (Rafael Advanced Defense) and the American Raytheon Technologies. The joint venture begins to create an Israeli-developed Iron Dome missile defense system for the needs of the United States.


The new partnership was named RRAPS (Raytheon-Rafael Area Protection Systems). As part of this partnership, not only launchers will be created, but also SkyHunter interceptors (the Tamir interceptor missile in the US version). Such weapons are capable of intercepting various types of missiles, including cruise missiles. Also missiles of the "Iron Dome" can shoot down drones and some ammunition fired with ground weapons.

This will be the first project to create an Iron Dome missile defense system outside Israel.

Israel claims the Iron Dome missile defense systems are "the most effective in the world." If the Israeli producers are to be believed, the Iron Dome's hit rate is over 90%. It should be noted here that in the overwhelming majority of cases the Iron Dome missile defense system in Israel is used in the event of shelling from the Gaza Strip. At the same time, the missiles produced by Hamas representatives, frankly, can hardly be classified as advanced and truly modern.

However, in the United States, it is believed that it is the "Iron Dome" that will become a temporary means of protecting certain objects from cruise missiles, as well as from mortar attacks and drone attacks.

The US Congress has heard calls for the Trump administration to send Iron Dome missile defense systems to the Middle East, such as Baghdad. It is noted that "this will help build up protection against Iranian missiles."

According to the latest information, the US will receive the first Iron Dome missile defense systems at the end of this year.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 4 August 2020 06: 54
    +1
    The iron dome, after all, is the NEAR air defense system.
    Against non-maneuvering ballistic targets.
    Will the American embassies defend?
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 August 2020 06: 58
      -1
      The article wrote that against cruise missiles, it turns out, not only ballistic ones.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 4 August 2020 07: 01
        0
        Quote: Avior
        They wrote in the article that they are also against cruise missiles, so not only ballistic ones.
        It looks like they are slowly finishing it.
        Widened and Angled?
        Initially, it was a purely anti-Barmale missile defense system.
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 August 2020 07: 08
          +7
          Well, that makes sense.
          As far as I understand, the rockets that are being fired at Israel now have gone far from those first primitive crafts that once were.
          And, plus, whatever one may say, Israel has a great operating experience, both in time and in the number of targets, and in their mass.
          And this is a very important issue - real experience, no polygon can replace.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 4 August 2020 07: 10
            -2
            Quote: Avior
            and the rockets that are being fired at Israel now have gone far from those first primitive crafts

            They did not go anywhere.
            A pipe with stabilizers and "to whom will Allah send." This is with Hamas.
            But Hezbollah ... There, yes! For an adult! Only here, in my opinion, there were no missiles MANEUVERING along the course / altitude.
            We will not count just the curves of the missiles, which spin at random in flight.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 4 August 2020 07: 23
              +1
              Quote: Victor_B
              Let's not count just the curves of the missiles, which spin at random in flight.

              Well, Duc, they are spinning! It remains only to study and disseminate the defect! So much for the ground-to-ground ballistic missiles maneuvering in flight!
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 4 August 2020 07: 27
                0
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                So much for the ground-to-ground ballistic missiles maneuvering in flight!
                They are definitely spinning!
                Or they fly crookedly (in an arc to the side).
                But when the gunpowder has burned out, the parabola will not go anywhere.
                You can calculate.
                1. BDRM 667
                  BDRM 667 4 August 2020 08: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Victor_B
                  They are definitely spinning!
                  Or they fly crookedly (in an arc to the side).

                  So and "from the corner"you can shoot lol how from "Jewish machine gun with a bent barrel"from an anecdote (existing specialized nozzles for the barrel, and other devices, in this case do not count).
                  1. krot
                    krot 4 August 2020 08: 32
                    -3
                    The United States was completely blown away by the Patriots. They have shown their inefficiency completely. Now Israel helps them in air defense)
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 4 August 2020 09: 01
                      +5
                      Quote: krot
                      The United States was completely blown away by the Patriots. They have shown their inefficiency completely. Now Israel helps them in air defense)

                      Completely different systems. "Patriot" is primarily a long-range air defense system, and LCD is a short-range missile defense system.
                      1. lopvlad
                        lopvlad 6 August 2020 02: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        ZhK is a short-range missile defense system.


                        LCD does not even pull on a full-fledged air defense system, because even with a massive raid of cash registers it cannot cope (missed almost half). By the way, the United States took an active part in the development of the LCD. From the Zulu with sticks, American bases around the world are just right to defend.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 4 August 2020 07: 47
                -2
                PS Honestly, three years ago, I assumed that with the help of Iran, the Palestinians would have better "products"! That is, the Palestinians could continue to "rivet" the qasams from the water pipes; but warheads could be supplied to them from Iran or somewhere else ... from a parallel universe, for example ... These warheads (warheads) could be of the type of guided mortar mines ... even gliding ... with relatively simple laser seeker or, even , television-command ... Passive radio frequency, coupled with sabotage methods, are not excluded ... It's easier to deliver warheads to the Palestinians than a whole rocket! Considering that many Palestinians work among the Israelis, there is the possibility of laying "sleeping" laser and radio frequency "beacons" at Israeli facilities, which are activated at the right time by radio or even by wire! But this has not happened yet! Although, this idea is "in the air"!
                1. borberd
                  borberd 4 August 2020 10: 12
                  +3
                  They now also have enough factory-made Iranian long-range missiles. There are almost no Kasams now. For shelling distant mountains such as Ashdod or Beer-Sheva, either "grads" or "fatekhi" and "fajery" are used
                2. lopvlad
                  lopvlad 6 August 2020 02: 14
                  -1
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  the Palestinians will have better "products"


                  they are perfect only for Iran, but in terms of "perfection" they are analogs of Soviet missiles of the late 70s.
                  So nothing new has appeared.
            2. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 4 August 2020 10: 30
              +9
              Hamas has long been using factory-made Grad missiles, as well as missiles produced according to Iranian designs, that is, completely identical to Hezbollah's missiles.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 21: 52
                -1
                Are the Hamas carrying out massive volleys? at least within the framework of a normal salvo of one GRAD combat vehicle of 40 missiles. The missiles are actually flying one after another in a very narrow sector in this situation.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 4 August 2020 07: 08
    +1
    Israel claims Iron Dome missile defense systems are "the most effective in the world."
    Tolstoy A.K ..
    When so strong with a spiritual sword,
    Then he’s free to praise him,
    But let him still own it,
    And here I am with this, my iron,
    Satisfied.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 August 2020 07: 15
    -6
    They also write a lot of things on fences, but this does not make the meaning of these inscriptions more "effective"! I want to know which missiles are real, combat, and not water pipes, self-made, this complex really amazed? And then, everyone knows how to boast, but then a lot of questions arise about this or that technique, and its creators, but there is no answer! !!
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 07: 43
      +7
      Tell us, what was the real target of the S-300/400 shot down?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 4 August 2020 10: 41
        -1
        Quote: Michael Ya2
        Tell us, what was the real target of the S-300/400 shot down?

        Therefore, they did not shoot down, since there are no people willing to check on an adult!
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad 6 August 2020 02: 15
        -2
        Quote: Mikhail Ya2
        Tell us, what was the real target of the S-300/400 shot down?


        after you tell what modern missiles shot down LCD.
    2. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 4 August 2020 10: 31
      +6
      "Grad", "Fajr", "Hurricane" (from Syria) ...
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 August 2020 07: 23
    +1
    I would be surprised if the manufacturer, instead of evaluating the "most effective in the world" about the Israeli missile defense system, wrote the truth.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 4 August 2020 07: 29
      +3
      Well, the interception statistics are pretty positive.
      But not one hundred percent.
      But I guess it gets better over the years.
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 07: 44
        +7
        In the beginning it was about 60%, now it is up to 92%
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 6 August 2020 02: 18
          -2
          Quote: Mikhail Ya2
          In the beginning it was about 60%, now it is up to 92%


          just massive raids (when more than 50 cashams flew in in a short period of time), so the "efficiency" has increased.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 4 August 2020 09: 02
        +8
        Quote: Victor_B
        Well, the interception statistics are pretty positive.
        But not one hundred percent.
        But I guess it gets better over the years.

        Certainly not 100%. Depending on the intensity of shelling from 80 to 92%
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 6 August 2020 02: 24
          -2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Depending on the intensity of shelling from 80 to 92%


          with the most intense shelling, the efficiency dropped to 50%, and with single shelling, it did not rise above 80%. Of course, you can increase the efficiency "like we saw that the missiles would fall in a desert, uninhabited area, so we did not intercept". But the reality is that nothing modern checks these complexes did not pass.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 6 August 2020 05: 30
            +2
            Quote: lopvlad
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Depending on the intensity of shelling from 80 to 92%


            with the most intense shelling, the efficiency dropped to 50%, and with single shelling, it did not rise above 80%. Of course, you can increase the efficiency "like we saw that the missiles would fall in a desert, uninhabited area, so we did not intercept". But the reality is that nothing modern checks these complexes did not pass.

            That's not true.
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 7 August 2020 18: 15
              -1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              That's not true.


              this is true as well as the fact that David defeated an essentially half-blind man (Goliath suffered from acromegaly and this is a complete absence of lateral vision and constant double vision). These are the great "Israeli" victories.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 7 August 2020 18: 45
                +2
                Quote: lopvlad
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                That's not true.


                this is true as well as the fact that David defeated an essentially half-blind man (Goliath suffered from acromegaly and this is a complete absence of lateral vision and constant double vision). These are the great "Israeli" victories.

                Brad.
  5. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 4 August 2020 07: 30
    -5
    Israel is great. They know how to develop science, in this they have no equal
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 4 August 2020 07: 36
    +2
    Well, for its own purposes, this system is very effective.
    And it has been tested by regular combat use.
    The system is one of the best in its class.
    How she will cope with more serious goals is not known for certain.

    The Patriot was also approved by the manufacturer as an excellent anti-aircraft missile system.
    However, the refinery of Saudi Arabia did not in any way save it from serious defeats with outdated missiles.
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 07: 48
      +2
      Here are the usage statistics for the Patriots. It is clear that no weapon can be 100% effective.
      Yemen Civil War

      In the summer of the 2015, the Patriot missiles intercepted a P-17 ballistic missile, which was released on Saudi Arabia by Hussites. 26 August launched another missile aimed at the territory of Saudi Arabia, but it was intercepted by the twin launch of the Patriots. In the fall, one rocket was able to hit the airfield, and the other fell in the desert.

      In the autumn of 2017, a ballistic missile launch was launched at Riad International Airport, which was intercepted by MIM-104 Patriot missiles.

      In July, Syria’s UAV 2017, which penetrated deep into Israeli territory approximately 10 km, was successfully shot down by the Patriot system.

      In July, the Patriot air defense missile system, 2018, shot down a SU-22 aircraft of the Syrian air force, which flew into Israeli airspace.

      During the Iraqi Freedom military operation, the Patriot batteries were deployed at the Kuwaiti Camp Doha with the goal of the missile defense of the headquarters of the coalition forces. In March 2003, this headquarters was hit hard by Iraq using tactical missiles. All the missiles were successfully intercepted and destroyed with the help of the Patriot anti-attack.

      Gulf military operations (1991 year)

      According to official US data, from 17 January 1991, the American observers registered the launch of operational tactical missiles 81 from a position in southern Iraq through Saudi Arabia and from a position in western Iraq at Israel, most of which were successfully intercepted on approach (they were shot down from the flight trajectory and fell close to the target or were divided into small fragments still in the air) - more 80 percent of the total number of attempts to intercept them over Saudi Accident and more 50 percent of successful interception cases over Israel According to US commanders, in a material published by 9 in December 1991 of the year in the newsletter Inside the Army, written by General Robert Droleta, a representative of the House Committee on Armed Forces Les Espin gave several other data during his speech in the spring of 1991 - 89% and 44%, respectively).
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 August 2020 09: 35
        -1
        Especially in 91, in Kuwait, they successfully intercepted Scud. The first war on-line. A beautiful hit of Petriot in Scud and a beautiful ricochet of Scud to the location of the American part. With a gorgeous bang. Many coffins covered with a stars-striped flag then went to their historical homeland. And everything was arranged. for the sake of a television picture, they did not shoot down on the distant approaches, but began to shoot when the scads were almost over the Petriots. Many singles know how to shoot down, but when the crowd flies to the Petriots; then they lay down in full. Saudi Arabia showed this. And the missiles are probably not super duper the Houthis had and didn’t have any. Zheleschny kumpol is to patch holes of the Patriot. And by the way, you quickly remembered the photos of Kumpol. There was an interesting object removed, a blue one with a white roof. It’s probably a bunker for shelter l / s, if the kumpol misses.
        1. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 10: 22
          +4
          This is clear. That was the first use of missile defense. After that, a lot has already been redone, and they have been upgraded several times.
          So far, the l / s of the "Iron Dome" has not been in danger. Of course there were mistakes, but there were many more shootings.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 4 August 2020 10: 29
            0
            I'm not talking about the dome, this is the closest one. I'm talking about the Petriot .91 Kuwait got lost 19 Saudi Arabia got lost. It's just the magic of numbers.
            1. Mikhail Ya2
              Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 10: 30
              +4
              But in between, there have been successful applications. smile
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 4 August 2020 10: 42
                +2
                There are no questions about Israel's air defense. The Saudis are pinning me.
                1. Mikhail Ya2
                  Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 10: 44
                  +4
                  I think they pin many ... and not only the Saudis, but the Arabs in general, in particular in the operation of high-tech weapons, since the 70s
                  1. tralflot1832
                    tralflot1832 4 August 2020 10: 54
                    -1
                    In some war, and how much Israel had, the United States saved Israel's aviation, with its own bridge. I had a boss with him, the Order of the Red Star, for the fact that they drove 3 Israeli planes into the sands of Egypt in one raid. He didn’t ruin my career. A Moldavian Jew. He brought up rocket tails.
                    1. Mikhail Ya2
                      Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 22: 29
                      +3
                      It was in 1973, and mainly supplied M-16 (remnants of the Vietnam War) from cast iron (unguided bombs). The planes were mainly Mirages, Phantoms and Skyhawks, but from the presence of the Israeli Air Force. Didn't hear about the supply of aircraft during the war
      2. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 4 August 2020 16: 22
        +1
        There are many myths about the Gulf War. Iraq had an export version of the Elbrus complex with the R-300 missile, but the missile did not reach Israel. An El Hussein missile was fired at Israel, which had a serious flaw. The increased dimensions of the rocket, in comparison with the R-300, could not withstand the overloads that occurred when the rocket entered the dense layers of the atmosphere, and the rocket was often destroyed in flight. Iraq launched 91 missiles at Israel and Saudi Arabia (there are other data) of which only 47 were attempted to intercept. The rest of the missiles either did not reach the target for technical reasons, or flew.
  7. LMN
    LMN 4 August 2020 07: 41
    -2
    Maybe they are trying to create protection from the "remnants" of our missiles?
    They have no other choice .. request

    I hope we already have an answer (Vladimir Putin (s))
  8. boom Boom
    boom Boom 4 August 2020 07: 43
    +4
    Well, I don’t think that water pipes reached Tel Aviv, and if I’m not mistaken in 2014 and not one but hundreds of today, Hamas has good weapons, I drove my father for treatment, so people in droves photographed the destruction of missiles and no one ran away anywhere, they really believe that lcd system is not bad
  9. bar
    bar 4 August 2020 07: 43
    -1
    It became known about the formation of a joint venture organized by the Israeli company RAD (Rafael Advanced Defense) and the American Raytheon Technologies.

    It looks like the striped ones have merged, "the polymers are gone." Except for printing bucks and buying other people's developments, they are no longer capable of anything. And they are trying to impose another arms race laughing
  10. nobody111body
    nobody111body 4 August 2020 07: 49
    -3
    once again who is in power in the usa - a bunch of Jews
  11. K-50
    K-50 4 August 2020 08: 03
    0
    Would return to their own deposit, how much money would they save !!!! lol
  12. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 August 2020 08: 24
    +3
    They were probably attracted by the economy of the Israeli approach. The Americans have forgotten how to do it in a measure technologically, efficiently and at the same time not expensive. They are adapting to defend their bases in the region from Iran "if something happens" most likely.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 4 August 2020 08: 40
      -1
      Do you really believe that Jews have learned to do cheaply? Israeli complexes are more expensive than American ones, although they are more effective.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 August 2020 08: 59
        +5
        Well, let's see .. I don’t know if it is correct to compare IronDome with Patriot, after all, Patriot is a more multifunctional product, and IronKupol is purely against NUR.
        The cost of one LCD battery is $ 50 million for a battery / and $ 20 thousand for a rocket.
        The cost of one Patriot battery is $ 1 billion / and $ 3 million is a rocket.

        I think if the Israelis spent three lemma for each "rocket" that flies towards them, the Israeli economy would come to an end faster than the infrastructure. So yeah, probably learned how to do it cheaply. This system is narrowly specialized in ballistics - no drones / uavs, no extra functions in the rocket or on the product, and most importantly, what is called a huge experience of combat operation.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 August 2020 09: 44
        +9
        Israeli small-scale products are usually cheaper than similar American ones.
        We tend to have shorter and more efficient R&D.
        But when mass production is being established, the conveyor, then American
        products are getting cheaper.
        Therefore, the release of rockets for Zh.K. made in the USA. You need a lot of missiles - a conveyor belt.
        And radars and other electronics are made in Israel.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      and it is not expensive.


      In principle, I don't believe in the announced price of 40 thousand bucks for the LCD anti-missile. Yes, among the Jews themselves, Spike is 5 times higher. It's all strange.
      What is characteristic of an anti-missile LCD with ARGSN. And an AiM-120 with ARGS, for example, costs 1 million 300 thousand dollars.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 4 August 2020 22: 24
        -1
        Well, given that the ZhK is engaged in the fight against non-maneuvering targets of a rather primitive design (without various tricks and anti-missile defense) by the method of remote detonation of warheads - the missile should not be expensive - it should fly quickly (short interception distances), create an effective engagement zone, be reliable ,finally. Most likely, the price of the missiles was indicated in sources such as Wikipedia according to the most primitive samples, most likely there is already some more extended range of products for the LCD, because the same Iran is progressing in missile technology. As far as I understand constructively, this is not God knows what product that keeps the system on a good radar and positioning and not on some clever bells and whistles.
        The United States is taking a slightly different path - there systems are designed against a more technically sophisticated enemy and a wider range of situations (in theory), and there, of course, the missile must be smart, especially since their last years have been interested in kinetic interception, this is a completely different level of accuracy. As far as I understand. And the speed of the targets that the Patriot must fight and the ability to maneuver, and the duality of the air defense / missile defense concept make the requirements for missiles very impressive ..
        Surely our missiles for the S-300 / S-400 are also very non-budget toys, they cannot be made there on a budget. High-speed maneuvering and accuracy are different requirements for design, quality of execution, complication thereof, more filling, larger size, more complex the launch complex itself, etc.

        So perhaps the way of dividing the functions of the product is not an empty idea in terms of price characteristics and the complexity / mass production of products.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 August 2020 08: 27
    +1
    "It will help build a defense against Iranian missiles."
    It seems like Europe has already created an air defense-missile defense system to protect against "Iranian missiles" (read Russian). Doesn't it work that you have to turn to Israel for help? And the vaunted "Patriots", or a little "patriotism" laid in them?
    1. avib
      avib 4 August 2020 10: 00
      +9
      Quote: rotmistr60
      that you have to turn to Israel for help

      And what is shameful for the United States? Israel is one of the most reliable and technologically advanced allies of the United States. Much more advanced militarily and technically than most NATO countries. There are hundreds of joint ventures at all levels, from pharmaceuticals to rocket science. Without exception, all major American companies have R&D divisions in Israel. So Americans are not worried and the ego in matters of security or when it comes to money (profit) recedes into the last positions.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 4 August 2020 11: 31
      -5
      A simple cut of money in the American-Jewish way, the same as the missile defense system in "Europe", and most of the American weapons. The Americans understand that no one will attack them, just like their slaves, they will not give a nuclear umbrella, as they understand that the basis of US air defense is aviation, but the budget must be mastered, so they scare themselves and their "allies" with Russia, China, Iran, Korea, etc.
  14. Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 4 August 2020 08: 39
    -2
    All the same, the ancestors, having passed the crucible of a terrible war, made 1000% correct conclusions on the construction of an echeloned air defense system, recalling the initial period of the Second World War, when the Nazi aviation reigned supreme in the sky and destroyed entire units of infantry, equipment, and materiel without significant resistance. Therefore, only in Russia were they able to create an echeloned and, most importantly, a mobile grouping where cover starts from the military link goes to the division, army and strategic forces.
  15. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 4 August 2020 08: 39
    10 th
    The iron dome is not even air defense, since it only knocks down those sub-missiles that fly to cities, and passes the rest so as not to waste expensive missiles. But if at least a Tornado or a Point were used against Israel, and even quite massively, we would look at the effectiveness. Against modern means of destruction, this will be an ordinary stationary complex, easily broken through. I think someone is not sickly enough on this pointless deal.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 August 2020 09: 47
      12
      Against the Tornado, and, moreover, the Point of J.K. ineffective.
      Another missile defense system was developed against them - David's Sling.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 4 August 2020 10: 09
        -7
        And there is no need to put a sling on the head part of the Point for aiming. Believe that you have the best one so far.
      2. Zeev zeev
        Zeev zeev 4 August 2020 10: 49
        +2
        Is it effective against Hurricane, but not against Tornado? Yes, and "Tochka" principle should shoot down.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 August 2020 10: 58
          +3
          A tornado, if fired at a maximum range of 70 km, flies at an altitude
          500-600 m - you can shoot down. Although difficult - a 300 mm large rocket.
          If they shoot at a high trajectory, no.
          The point is flying too high and too fast.
          1. Zeev zeev
            Zeev zeev 4 August 2020 17: 07
            +2
            The TAMIR missile, according to foreign publications, is capable of flying at a speed of Mach 2,2 and destroying enemy missiles at an altitude of 3 km. This missile is very mobile and can adjust its flight already in the air with the help of wings, the arrangement of which resembles the silhouette of air-to-air missiles - the fastest missiles designed to intercept combat aircraft and other fast targets.
          2. lopvlad
            lopvlad 6 August 2020 02: 37
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            A tornado, if fired at a maximum range of 70 km, flies at an altitude
            500-600 m - you can shoot down. Although difficult - a 300 mm large rocket.


            again discussing how to shoot down uncontrollable junk. Calculating their flight route is not a problem, and a nimble rocket is unnecessary, since none of the missiles (SMERCH, Hurricane and even the Point controlled along the entire flight route) is capable of intensive maneuvering and, accordingly, the anti-missile does not need to "strain ".
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 4 August 2020 10: 35
      +6
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The iron dome is not even air defense, since it only knocks down those sub-missiles

      Israel's Defense Ministry announced that the tests took place on 1January 2 2020 years, but did not specify when and where exactly they took place.
      “We have completed a series of tests with a 100% success rate,” the vice president of Rafael said in a statement. "The system intercepted all threats that were simulated in the area protected for the purpose of the experiment."
      But this is only the first line of defense.
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 4 August 2020 10: 01
    -1
    When a lot of babosiks are "poured in", they will create, on the basis of the worked out system, quite a good POSITIONAL air defense. Problems are not foreseen here, if they do not start doing the very, best, best, instead of the proven good.
    But this is only positional air defense, but what about the mobile, army ??? they have nothing on the other side and nothing ??? There is no way to do it yourself, what would be efficient, mobile and not very expensive?
    1. Mikhail Ya2
      Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 10: 27
      +2
      Amers have a different concept of air defense. Air defense tasks are assigned to aviation. They believe (right or wrong, question two) that they can achieve air superiority over the battlefield. Even if not quality, then quantity exactly
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 August 2020 11: 41
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Ya2
        Amers have a different air defense concept

        This is true. They believe that the overwhelming advantage of their Air Force, especially in light of their intentions to deliver preemptive strikes, will ensure them ... like a victory over most opponents.
        In principle, they did it more than once or twice, only they chose the "suitable" opponent.
        They don't like diving deeper into history, because then everything becomes not so simple.
        1. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 22: 32
          +1
          With only 35 F-500s, albeit with 80% combat effectiveness, this turns out to be 400, they have something to rely solely on their Air Force.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 22: 52
            0
            Of these, the United States owns approximately 300 pieces. The rest is export.
            1. Mikhail Ya2
              Mikhail Ya2 5 August 2020 08: 19
              +1
              80% of 300 is 240 cars, which is also impressive. And how many cars of the 4th generation? So they can crush any opponent.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 5 August 2020 10: 05
                +1
                They do not fly on ANYONE, do not press, WHY?
                1. Mikhail Ya2
                  Mikhail Ya2 5 August 2020 14: 24
                  +1
                  Do you mean Russia and China? Then the answer is obvious
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 5 August 2020 17: 12
                    +1
                    I suppose that the list is NOT ANYONE, somewhat more than two large countries.
                    1. Mikhail Ya2
                      Mikhail Ya2 5 August 2020 20: 30
                      +1
                      For example? NATO countries will be omitted
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 5 August 2020 20: 57
                        0
                        Whom do the Yankees run into, regularly, but do not go further ostentatious maneuvers?
                      2. Mikhail Ya2
                        Mikhail Ya2 5 August 2020 20: 57
                        +1
                        S. Korea? Probably only they fit this description
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 5 August 2020 20: 59
                        0
                        And Iran, Venezuela, with them as ... peace, friendship?
                      4. Mikhail Ya2
                        Mikhail Ya2 5 August 2020 21: 02
                        +1
                        Venezuela is no sideways here at all. Do you think Iran will hold out longer than Saddam's Iraq? I'm not sure. The Air Force is funny there, and in general, the army has more old than new weapons. Probably only Quds forces can pose a serious threat
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 5 August 2020 21: 13
                        0
                        The dispute becomes pointless, because neither here nor there, we will not know, in fact.
                        The Yankees have a strong army, which, as it were, dominates most countries ... but in fact, fig knows it, because they themselves are not eager to check what is right, in my opinion.
                        Which is obvious, if anyone can neutralize the advantage of the Yankees in aviation and other means of air attack, striped does not shine at all.
                        By the way, this is possible, only expensive.
                      6. Mikhail Ya2
                        Mikhail Ya2 5 August 2020 21: 14
                        +1
                        This is exactly what I wanted to write, that the dispute is about nothing :)
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 August 2020 10: 12
      0
      It's so silly to argue with the obvious ... However, a duel is not expected ...
  • Zeev zeev
    Zeev zeev 4 August 2020 10: 39
    +7
    In general, the LCD is just going to be made a mobile short-range missile defense system (from missiles with a range of up to 70 km). For this purpose, trucks were brought to Israel yesterday on the Ukrainian "Mriya", on which the "Kupol" will be integrated.
    Something like this.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 August 2020 11: 44
      0
      Let's see what technical solutions they will use. It is not at all necessary that it will be, as we traditionally apply. The end result is important.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 5 August 2020 10: 08
      0
      That's when / if it can shoot on the move, on the move, then and!
  • avib
    avib 4 August 2020 10: 01
    +2
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    I think someone is not sickly enough on this pointless deal.

    Please explain the scheme of the broth. Who and how?
  • 5-9
    5-9 4 August 2020 11: 31
    +2
    Ideologically, the closest system to Armor is object air defense (only with an emphasis on the destruction of NUR, not ASP) with cheap missiles.
    For Israeli needs and problems - this is the very thing.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 August 2020 11: 48
      0
      What are the similarities, proximity? Both of them launch rockets and ... that's it. Mobile, autonomous and stationary system, there is a fundamental difference.
      1. 5-9
        5-9 4 August 2020 11: 51
        0
        Well I wrote, object air defense based on cheap missiles (the essence of the concept), of which there are many on one launcher. It is clear that the reasons for their appearance and typical goals are different. But there seems to be nothing more similar in the world ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 August 2020 12: 36
          +1
          If we consider only in this aspect, there are similarities.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 22: 03
          0
          Only an anti-missile LCD with not cheap ARGSN. And the missile of Pantsyr and Thor, for example, is a radio command telecontrol, which in principle is always cheaper.
          1. 5-9
            5-9 5 August 2020 09: 18
            0
            Well, if they hit 20 pieces per rocket? Or is it not true?
            RK is certainly cheaper
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 5 August 2020 10: 08
              0
              I think it’s not true. If the Jews had all the weapons worth a penny, then no question. But for Spike they ask 200 thousand bucks, and for missiles 20 thousand ..... How's that? wassat Our very massive SAM to Pantsyr costs about 50 thousand to 80 thousand dollars. But there is generally no GOS. From the word at all. The anti-missile LCD has ARGSN. The AiM-120 missile with ARGSN costs 1300 dollars. The difference is 000 times.
              1. 5-9
                5-9 5 August 2020 10: 47
                +1
                Perhaps .... 20 thousand is a Cornet.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 5 August 2020 13: 28
                  0
                  I found it with State Purchase
                  According to the contract, 14200 95Ya6M missiles are purchased with an average purchase price of about 3 rubles per unit.

                  As a result, the price in dollars for a missile defense system is approximately equal to 47-48 thousand dollars for a missile defense system
  • Umalta
    Umalta 4 August 2020 23: 49
    +1
    "On March 25, 2019, the village of Mishmeret, located 34 km north of Tel Aviv, came under rocket fire in Israel. The rocket was fired by representatives of Hamas, what kind of rocket it was and for what reasons it calmly overcame more than 100 km over Israeli territory, is not specified. Earlier, two missiles were fired from Gaza in the direction of Tel Aviv on March 14. The Iron Dome did not intercept targets at that time either. Recent events show that the missile capabilities of various resistance movements have expanded significantly, and even with their primitive shelling, they question the capabilities of the Iron Dome. domes. "This is bad news for Israel's defense in the event of a major military conflict. It also calls into question the entire Israeli air defense system." I also remember, in my opinion, last year the shelling of Israeli settlements with missiles of the "grad" type or something similar, and the overwhelming majority broke through the multi-level praise system "dome", and it should be understood that the Israelis do not shoot down all the missiles, but only those that are clearly being sent to populated areas Well, in those last cases, they hit the settlements and the results of the interceptions were extremely unsatisfactory. The numbers naturally vary from side to side, but the Israelis themselves call them unsatisfactory.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 August 2020 10: 09
      +1
      Single missiles catching is one thing. But a volley of a GRAD combat vehicle with 40 missiles is completely different.
      In such a situation, despite all the nuances and seeing the ostrich policy of the Israeli government, I would personally ensure the security perimeter along the borders to the appropriate depth.