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Ambassador of Belarus to the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation was informed that the actions of Minsk do not correspond to the spirit of fraternal relations

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The Belarusian ambassador to Russia was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry today. The reason for the summons is known - the detention in the Republic of Belarus of 33 Russians, who in Minsk are called “PMC militants who prepared riots in the country during the election campaign”.


Uladzimir Semashko was told that the actions of the Belarusian side in relation to the Russian citizens detained by the security forces, and their subsequent placement under arrest, does not correspond to the spirit of fraternal, allied relations between Russia and Belarus.

The Russian Foreign Ministry asked Vladimir Semashko to bring an important detail to his leadership. It consists in the fact that Russia has never interfered and is not going to interfere in internal Belarusian processes.

The Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that the Republic of Belarus was and remains a close friend and ally of the Russian Federation.

Also, in a conversation with the Belarusian ambassador, it was indicated that Moscow expects a completely objective and transparent investigation into the arrested Russian citizens who are accused of almost terrorist activities.

Earlier, the Russian embassy in Belarus noted that attempts to link the arrival of Russians to the Minsk region with the activities of the Belarusian opposition look more than strange. The fact is that none of the arrested citizens of Russia even knows the names of the Belarusian oppositionists who want to oust the incumbent president in the upcoming elections. In this case, what kind of "provocations" at rallies in favor of the opposition can be said?

It is important to note that the Russians were arrested just a few days after the announcement of the reopening of the American embassy in Minsk and after the appearance on the screens of the US Charge d'Affaires in the Republic of Belarus.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 3 August 2020 20: 52
    +4
    Interesno, was the ambassador surprised or indignant?
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 3 August 2020 20: 56
      23
      This is not essential. Batka's roof has already started moving. I would like to wish the residents of Belarus to survive the crisis with the least losses, and it will be long and will be a sausage for everyone around.
      1. Junior Private
        Junior Private 3 August 2020 20: 59
        +9
        When there is a begging for a discount on polymers or trade indulgences, the head will suddenly fall into place.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 4 August 2020 03: 48
          +5
          The current head of Belarus wants to be re-elected for a new term. At the same time, he has long and successfully maneuvered between Washington and Moscow.
          As a result, on the one hand, Western media stopped calling Lukashenko “the last dictator of Europe”.
          On the other hand, there is no real integration of Belarus with Russia, and there is no really working, truly union state. Republic of Belarus did not recognize Crimea as Russian.

          At the same time, Minsk is equidistant in its position in the Donbass from Moscow and Kiev. And at the same time there is an opportunity to negotiate in Minsk, but Kiev refuses to fulfill the Minsk agreements.

          As for the presidential elections in Belarus, Washington's position is incomparably more dangerous for Lukashenka than the Kremlin's. For Washington intends to always accept only CAPITULATION from other countries.
          A large-scale campaign is being carried out in the Republic of Belarus, controlled from the United States, which is designed to convince Belarusians in advance that Lukashenka cannot gain more than 3%.
          This is not just a blow by the United States to Lukashenka’s rating, but also a pretext for future "Maydan" riots in Minsk, during which corpses may be organized by "Western partners".

          Having assessed these pre-election risks, Lukashenka decided to "surrender" Russia to Washington.
          To keep Washington from trying to "Maidan", to push him to recognize the election results of Lukashenko, Alexander Grigorievich once again demonstrated to the United States his readiness to make a real deterioration of relations with Moscow by arresting Russian "PMKashnikov"!

          Of course, these guys did not prepare any terrorist attacks and did not organize any riots! Minsk was just a transit for them to other countries.
          1. REEKMAN
            REEKMAN 4 August 2020 08: 16
            0
            It's like that! Nikolay Starikov knows a lot about what is happening :)
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 4 August 2020 13: 28
            +2
            Good afternoon, Tatiana, hi hi------ everything is exactly as you write and your foresight of important situations has already happened more than once.
            ........ Washington's position ... only CAPITULATION .........

            And I remembered the flirtation and groveling of the tagged one in front of the United States, how he wanted to gain approval by betraying his country and other socialist countries.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 4 August 2020 13: 49
              +1
              Quote: Reptiloid
              And I remembered the flirtation and groveling of the tagged one in front of the United States, how he wanted to gain approval by betraying his country and other socialist countries.
              hi
              And I also remembered the murder of the unfortunate Gaddafi - the leader of the Great Revolution of the Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya or the Fraternal Leader in Libya, who made concessions to the West and allowed Libyan youth to study in the West.
              Disguised as the Libyan people, the United States, out of revenge, killed Gaddafi on camera 4 visiting CIA mercenaries.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 4 August 2020 14: 06
                0
                Yes, Tatyana, there is only one training manual, there is a lot to remember in playing out the same scenario.
                Yugoslavia, for example. Its rapprochement with the capitalist countries in search of a new path ...
                And then - the demonization of the Serbs. There was (probably the generation of our children watched it. ??) the series "Nikita", several episodes devoted to this topic and how staff members save innocent Muslims of Yugoslavia. But in reality, there were bombings. Some of the former allies later called them humanitarian.
                Lukashenko, probably did not watch this series. And there is a lot of things. And how rights are violated in Africa too ... in Morocco. ???????
                Maybe it makes sense to look again. From a different angle, naturally
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 4 August 2020 14: 11
                  +1
                  Thank you for the interesting information, Dmitry!
                  I have not seen this series "Nikita" and have not heard anything about it. I will definitely watch it if the Internet shows it.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 4 August 2020 14: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Thank you for the interesting information, Dmitry!
                    I have not seen this series "Nikita" and have not heard anything about it. I will definitely watch it if the Internet shows it.

                    Mid to late 90s ..... I'm still at school. First 2x serial Nikita, then later, probably episodes 50. The main characters - staff agents, a girl and a guy, are fighting for American values ​​around the world ..... Around this time, our Streets of Broken Lights
                    When ideology is banned, a series like Nikita many teenagers can format by praising state "democracy"
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 4 August 2020 15: 02
                      +2
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      When ideology is banned, a series like Nikita can format many teenagers in praise of the state's "democracy"

                      Hollywood has always worked in a propaganda plan hand in hand with the policies of the US State Department.
                      Literary fantasy from the late 80s played the same role in the decay of youth in the USSR.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 4 August 2020 15: 15
                        +2
                        ........ literary fantasy from the late 80s ......
                        Well yes! You don't need to study or work, the main thing is witchcraft, communication with spirits, Gods, secret spells (sarcasm) I was lucky, my parents did not buy it in the Far East, and when they returned to Leningrad in 91, there was no time for that. And my relatives have a library with popular science fiction, and I read it.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 4 August 2020 15: 27
                        +1
                        The correct title is ----- "Her name was Nikita". That's what ! 1998 year.
                        I found it in a search engine. But later Wilm Nikita appeared in 2010, did not know about him
              2. lelik613
                lelik613 4 August 2020 18: 21
                -1
                Muammar was also BoHato Vectar, but his equidistance (with refusal to pay debts) ended with a shovel in the ass ...
          3. vickul
            vickul 4 August 2020 13: 56
            0
            I would not be so categorical about the success of the AGLoed maneuvering between the USA and the Russian Federation. In all cases, his naked, flabby ass is visible from long distances. The position of the leadership of the Russian Federation is not clear, which continues to dump preferences into this entity, and even before the elections.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 4 August 2020 14: 19
              0
              Quote: vickul
              I would not be so categorical about the success of the AGLoed maneuvering between the USA and the Russian Federation. In all cases, his naked, flabby ass is visible from long distances. The position of the leadership of the Russian Federation is not clear, which continues to dump preferences into this entity, and even before the elections.

              Because in Belarus there are no more pro-Russian presidential candidates in Belarus than Lukashenka. And on bezrybe and cancer fish.
          4. Igoresha
            Igoresha 4 August 2020 20: 17
            +2
            At the same time, Minsk is equidistant in its position in the Donbass from Moscow and Kiev.


            You should not think so. In a Luhansk relative, a friend served in the militia, was captured, exchanged, then served again, demobilized and went to Moscow time to earn money. From there, in a group of builders, he was sent to Belarus, where at the border he was detained by Belarusian border guards for transfer to Ukraine. The company-employer, the sold car + everything earned helped to deprive the question, got off with deportation. Hence the conclusion that the SBU and the Belarusian KGB are fruitfully cooperating, which is indirectly confirmed by the prompt inclusion of some PMKashnikov on the site "Peacemaker"
      2. Dmitry10SPb
        Dmitry10SPb 3 August 2020 21: 42
        +2
        Uh, don't tell me. Let's look not at the words, but at the deeds of the characters. Hours-long queues immediately formed on the Russian side of the border. By chance? I don't think ...
      3. svp67
        svp67 4 August 2020 05: 11
        +6
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Batka's roof has already started moving.

        Yes, here in general interesting facts are revealed.
        It turns out that the Belarusian authorities have long and very profitable work in the market of "private military companies", and they do it without much publicity. The combat strength of these companies is formed from the "vacationers" of the special forces of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus. So, there was information that the company that sent our guys just intercepted one of such lucrative contracts in one of the Arab countries ... so that the actions of the Belarusian authorities may simply hide unfair competition ... and everything else is just a "smoke screen "
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 4 August 2020 13: 35
          +1
          Well, yes, Business and nothing personal!
          Quote: svp67
          ........ the Belarusian authorities have been working very profitably on the market of "private military companies" for a long time, and they do it without much publicity. The combat strength of these companies is formed from the "vacationers" of the special forces of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Belarus. So, there was information that the company that sent our guys just intercepted one of such lucrative contracts in one of the Arab countries ... so that the actions of the Belarusian authorities may simply hide unfair competition ... and everything else is just a "smoke screen "
          the red line does not need to be crossed, nevertheless
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 August 2020 13: 41
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            the red line does not need to be crossed, nevertheless

            And they have already stepped on it ... Right now I was listening to Lukashenko's speech ... "he is already getting confused in his testimony," and also announced that the Belarusians are now catching thirty more saboteurs in the south of their country, and to the detriment of the harvest ... Insanity complete, have they thrown all the collective farmers for combing? Well, of course you can catch all mushroom pickers ... and then pass them off as anyone
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 August 2020 13: 51
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              ... "he is already getting confused in the testimony," and also announced that the Belarusians are now catching another thirty saboteurs in the south of their country, moreover, to the detriment of the harvest ... Complete insanity, have they thrown all the collective farmers there for combing? Well, of course you can catch all mushroom pickers ... and then pass them off as anyone
              I didn't know about that. request recourse True, there were words that his left hand was tied (???????) he is under the influence of drugs(??????)
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 4 August 2020 15: 00
              +1
              I hurt myself, my right hand, not my left hand, is tied ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 3 August 2020 21: 07
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      Interesno, was the ambassador surprised or indignant?

      With such a president, Ambassador V. Semashko has long only winked from ... a nervous tic yes
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 3 August 2020 23: 29
        +2
        In in. Semashko himself probably regrets that he is an ambassador in nourishing Moscow, and not some kind of governor in Gomel. The jamb is not like him. And the lyuley will be issued through it.
      2. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 4 August 2020 06: 57
        +3
        Kremlin dreamers! What brotherly spirit they told the ambassador. They, you see, consider Belarus an ally. Well, well, keep counting. Yes, give loans to the "brothers" good and different. Has the experience of Ukraine taught you nothing? Belarus represented by Lukashenka sent the Russian Federation to hell. And in response, she was given pink dreams of brotherhood.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 August 2020 09: 22
          0
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Kremlin dreamers!

          No, no, no ..... dreamers, dreamers, take the boom as something correct, bright !!!
          From where you pointed out, yachts, wives, listen to here ...
          It is clear that common sense is also there, but they are not always clearly manifested and can defend their position before everyone else!
      3. svp67
        svp67 4 August 2020 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: Terenin
        With such a president, Ambassador V. Semashko has long only winked from ...

        No, with this sign he makes it clear that he was taken hostage ...
    3. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 3 August 2020 22: 28
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Interesno, was the ambassador surprised or indignant?

      Rather, he laughed ... The plaintive whine and toothless statements of the Foreign Ministry can only help the guys get to the SBU dungeons as soon as possible ... And to release them, this ambassador had to be sent from Moscow to Minsk at the latest on July 31st. And also, in order for Minsk to think faster, from August 1, a ban on the import of Belarusian food into Russia was to be introduced. Then, one could say that Russia does not abandon its own ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2020 22: 40
        +6
        Standard, our cleverly wise men, hoped for an agreement with the same cunning one. They just missed the spot, but the house is already really burnt and it will just be carried away.
        I always say that only the friendship of peoples can be stable, and then until the elective, the upper ones, begin to breed their own body, which, with prolonged and correct effort, can embroil anyone.
        That is what we have in the entire space of the former Soviet Union.
        It's disgusting to look at all this, especially at the satisfied faces of the top ones, who created all this!
        Divide and conquer ... it's not invented today, but it is more relevant than ever.
        1. Mikhail Ya2
          Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 07: 56
          +1
          I rarely agree with you, but here to the very point
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 August 2020 09: 17
            0
            Just to clarify who you are contacting?
            1. Mikhail Ya2
              Mikhail Ya2 4 August 2020 10: 19
              0
              To you rocket757 wink
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 4 August 2020 11: 34
                0
                Accepted. soldier
                The idea is not mine, it just hovers, hovers ..... so I picked it up, voiced it.
      2. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 3 August 2020 23: 33
        0
        And personally, Semashko then why laugh? Even if they unlock who he will be there? And here he is the ambassador in Moscow, the armchair is warm. And if they don't send it like that, he will have to somehow sort out all this muddle, gray hair will definitely be added.
      3. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 3 August 2020 23: 58
        -17 qualifying.
        Quote: Greg Miller
        And also, in order for Minsk to think faster, from August 1, a ban on the import of Belarusian food into Russia was to be introduced. Then, one could say that Russia does not abandon its own ...

        Yes, in this case it would be possible to say that Russia does not abandon its own, but throws.
        Especially, the elderly and the poor are depriving them of high-quality and inexpensive Belarusian products.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 4 August 2020 00: 35
          +4
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          inexpensive Belarusian products.

          laughing laughing laughing
          1. Rakovor
            Rakovor 4 August 2020 06: 56
            +3
            He also neighing.)) Belarusian milk is one of the most expensive, at least in our country.
            1. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2020 12: 11
              -3
              Quote: Rakovor
              He also neighing.)) Belarusian milk is one of the most expensive, at least in our country.

              With palm oil, it seems, and laughs well and thinks.
              If demand persists, any reduction in supply leads to an increase in prices in all price segments.
              1. Rakovor
                Rakovor 4 August 2020 12: 30
                -1
                And you, the campaign does not think at all, and for a long time. Go bang your head against the wall, it may feel better.))
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 4 August 2020 13: 42
            0
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            inexpensive Belarusian products.

            laughing laughing laughing

            Greetings hi hi somehow I did not understand about these Belarusian products? Earlier, my mother said that they are expensive and the quality does not match, except for sour cream ... but it seems that we don't have them anyway? In St. Petersburg.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 4 August 2020 09: 11
          +1
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Yes, in this case it would be possible to say that Russia does not abandon its own, but throws.
          Especially, the elderly and the poor are depriving them of high-quality and inexpensive Belarusian products.

          YOUR OWN SHOULD BE DOING! Our local products are great! There are any price group ....
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2020 12: 23
            -1
            Quote: rocket757
            YOUR OWN SHOULD BE DOING!

            It is necessary. To do this, it is necessary at least not to squeeze the tax juice from the rural hinterland.
            Quote: rocket757
            Our local products are great! There are any price group ....

            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            If demand persists, any reduction in supply leads to an increase in prices in all price segments.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 4 August 2020 09: 35
          +2
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Especially, the elderly and the poor are depriving them of high-quality and inexpensive Belarusian products.

          High-quality and inexpensive - is it about sour cream, which costs 10-15 percent more expensive than domestic and at the same time resembles PVA in consistency?

          Somewhere I already heard it ... oh yes, Russians are deprived of high-quality and inexpensive Ukrainian products. smile
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2020 12: 41
            0
            That there are a lot of "assaults" on the Belarusian quality.
            Maybe this is not the reason?
            For more than 40 years I have seen the Belarusian quality on my own hand in the form of an "Electronics 5" watch. smile
            In the pre-Urals, all medium-sized tractors (including those on dairy farms) are somehow "Belarusians"
            in small farms if there is a mini tractor, then it is "Belarus".
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 4 August 2020 14: 47
              +2
              Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
              That there are a lot of "assaults" on the Belarusian quality.
              Maybe this is not the reason?
              For more than 40 years I have seen the Belarusian quality on my own hand in the form of an "Electronics 5" watch.

              The problem is precisely in the quality of Belarusian products. It all started with cheap quality goods. But then, apparently in pursuit of a long ruble, quality began to decline, and prices began to rise. Sales went to the reputation of the "brand" "Belarusian goods". But lately it has not been possible to cover the drop in quality with the old reputation.
      4. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 4 August 2020 01: 53
        -4
        Why split? Immediately megaton in confusion and all the cases ... laughing wassat
    4. LMN
      LMN 4 August 2020 04: 09
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Interesno, was the ambassador surprised or indignant?

      Retired ..
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 August 2020 09: 31
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Interesno, was the ambassador surprised or indignant?

      Expressed concern. © smile
    6. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 4 August 2020 11: 20
      0
      It looks like the Russian Foreign Ministry was surprised, they were probably hibernating before, but now wake up.
  2. cniza
    cniza 3 August 2020 20: 53
    +4
    It is important to note that the Russians were arrested just a few days after the announcement of the reopening of the American embassy in Minsk and after the appearance on the screens of the US Charge d'Affaires in the Republic of Belarus.


    The USA and the company have been preparing this for more than one year ...
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 3 August 2020 21: 12
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      It is important to note that the Russians were arrested just a few days after the announcement of the reopening of the American embassy in Minsk and after the appearance on the screens of the US Charge d'Affaires in the Republic of Belarus.


      The USA and the company have been preparing this for more than one year ...

      Vitya, they work in these areas and for everyone, on an ongoing basis. They are counting somewhere on deception, on bribery, on a setup (I think this is the case), on a promise, on a threat ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 4 August 2020 08: 55
        +4
        Unlike us, unfortunately ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 3 August 2020 22: 44
      +1
      The question is - and our services, politicians, what have they been doing for more than one year ???
      1. cniza
        cniza 4 August 2020 08: 54
        +3
        They hoped in nirvana ..., Ukraine did not teach anything ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 August 2020 09: 25
          +2
          All the same, I overwhelmed ..... all services depend on POLITICIANS! from any initiative against, the policy of the party, they have long been weaned !!!
          1. cniza
            cniza 4 August 2020 09: 28
            +3
            The performance that we are watching now may not go according to the script and the director may turn out to be completely different ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 August 2020 09: 37
              +2
              Divination. What is given out as reliable information, for the most part, is all sorts of speculation. A lot of dregs lit.
              All the same, the results, real, will soon appear, the events are too fast developing.
              In a limited time, this should all be over.
              1. cniza
                cniza 4 August 2020 12: 21
                +3
                Quote: rocket757

                In a limited time, this should all be over.


                God grant that only a non-Ukrainian scenario ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 4 August 2020 12: 38
                  +2
                  Tf-u, tf-u, tf-u .... they, we, do not need such "happiness".
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 4 August 2020 12: 39
                    +3
                    But someone is strenuously trying to implement it, here even a baby understands that one wrong step and everything will burn ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 4 August 2020 12: 41
                      +1
                      Throwing here and there, does not lead to anything good.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 4 August 2020 13: 06
                        +4
                        Belarus is now walking along the edge of a knife, God forbid, that it resists ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 4 August 2020 13: 57
                        +1
                        Have theirs at the top, sanity is no way .... God forbid that the people of Belarus would act as the country needs.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 4 August 2020 14: 08
                        +3
                        That's just the point, and there are also a certain percentage of troublemakers ...
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 4 August 2020 14: 11
                        +2
                        Shaw say. There are always those who wish to be found behind the lace panties made of geyrope.
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 4 August 2020 14: 13
                        +3
                        Only then the whole country with a bare ass turns out ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 3 August 2020 20: 55
    37
    The Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that the Republic of Belarus was and remains a close friend and ally of the Russian Federation.

    The problem is that the Republic of Belarus, represented by its President and his entourage, does not consider Russia "a friend and ally." Russia for them is a cash cow, which they do not consider necessary to respect as an equal ally. And if we do not behave there like the American State Department, i.e. hard and actively, then soon we will lose RB. It is high time to understand that these lamentations about the "brotherhood" of people from the Republic of Belarus are no longer even funny.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 3 August 2020 21: 25
      -9
      Quote: Hagen

      The problem is that the Republic of Belarus, represented by its President and his entourage, does not consider Russia "a friend and ally." Russia for them is a cash cow, which they do not consider necessary to respect as an equal ally. AND

      You made this conclusion based on the information gleaned in the media. Are you sure that this information reflects the true relationship between Minsk and Moscow? You understand that not everything that happens between the presidents and governments of Russia and Belarus gets into the media. And that not all this information colors Russia. I don't know, but I admit it. It usually happens that not one side is to blame for the "quarrel".
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 3 August 2020 21: 49
        11
        Well, there are plenty of examples of our "brotherly" policy - Ukraine, the Central Asian republics of the former USSR, the same Serbia and Bulgaria. For some reason, only we Russians have this "Russian world" and "Slavic brotherhood" in their heads. Nafik, as it turns out, is not needed by anyone, but money from the EU and the United States is needed. Although the Belarusians are really cool, I would not even call them brothers, they are more - one with us.
        Ps when the politicians have played enough and leave ordinary people alone. I would not want Belarus to be the same as what happened with Ukraine.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 3 August 2020 22: 43
        0
        You made such a conclusion based on the information gleaned in the media. Are you sure that this information reflects the true relationship between Minsk and Moscow?

        When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call this bird a duck.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 3 August 2020 23: 12
          -15 qualifying.
          Quote: alexmach

          When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call this bird a duck.

          But you don't see her. The media tell you that she "walks like a duck, swims like a duck ..."
          and from these words you conclude that this is a duck. Are you sure that our oligarchs have nothing to do with all these scandals with Belarus? Personally, I'm not sure. They haven't gotten drunk yet. And Belarus has not yet been gnawed by them, like Russia.
          Pi.C. Doesn't the Russian media belong to the oligarchs?
      3. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2020 00: 13
        -2
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        You made this conclusion based on the information gleaned in the media. Are you sure that this information reflects the true relationship between Minsk and Moscow? You understand that not everything that happens between the presidents and governments of Russia and Belarus gets into the media. And that not all this information colors Russia. I don't know, but I admit it. It usually happens that not one side is to blame for the "quarrel".

        Not everyone understands this, not everyone sees that the media are increasingly working as wedge-bit machines.
      4. Hagen
        Hagen 4 August 2020 06: 22
        10
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        You made such a conclusion based on the information gleaned in the media. Are you sure that this information reflects the true relationship between Minsk and Moscow?

        Are you saying that the media say that the Republic of Belarus did not provide political support to Russia by recognizing the referendum in Crimea, but in fact the Republic of Belarus expressed this recognition? Maybe you want to say that Lukashenka's speeches, shown on TV, are editing?
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        You understand that not everything that happens between the presidents and governments of Russia and Belarus gets into the media.

        Of course ... But after each rebound from Putin, Lukashenko barks at Russia with no less passion.
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And that not all this information colors Russia.

        And here, present the facts ... Belarus receives from Russia in various ways up to 4,5 billion dollars annually (per 10 million inhabitants!). And this is not enough for Lukashenka ?! For our strategic nuclear forces, the costs are exclusively of the Russian budget, and the RB for free sits also under the "umbrella" of security, like a pimple on .... well, you get the idea. What do you want to blame Russia for. Can you cite at least one offensive or harsh statement by our president about Lukashenka or Belarus in general? Only with specific confirmation, not from a neighbor ...
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 4 August 2020 13: 12
          0
          Quote: Hagen

          Are you saying that the media say that the Republic of Belarus did not provide political support to Russia by recognizing the referendum in Crimea, but in fact the Republic of Belarus expressed this recognition? Maybe you want to say that Lukashenka's speeches, shown on TV, are editing?

          Did it ever occur to you that by recognizing Crimea as Russian, Belarus would have suffered financial losses that Russia would have to compensate for? And without recognizing this RB what damage is inflicted on Russia? Yes, no.
          Luke's speeches are not montage. But, could Luke, for no reason at all, balabol such speeches? Is that how to blatantly lie? There is probably some reason for that.
          Even though I'm not making excuses for him. Could have been wiser.
          .
          Quote: Hagen
          And here present the facts ...

          I can not. How can I not accept for a fact -
          Quote: Hagen
          The Republic of Belarus receives from Russia in various ways up to $ 4,5 billion annually (per 10 million inhabitants!).

          Because these figures were given to you by the media, which, in turn, received them from all sorts of mollers, Vakselbergs and other Potanins. We, the Russians, got a lot from them? Why do you think that they give the Belarusians? Even if they shout in the media that they gave someone a ruble, do not forget and do not hesitate, they will secretly take 10 rubles.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 4 August 2020 19: 43
            -1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Because these numbers were given to you by the media

            This figure was presented by the former Russian ambassador to Belarus. And since the interview of the ambassador was published in the media, you are right from the media. But no one protested it. I also see you through the media (VO), are you fake? wassat
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            We, the Russians, got a lot from them? Why do you think that they give the Belarusians? Even if they shout in the media that they gave someone a ruble, do not forget and do not hesitate, they will secretly take 10 rubles.

            Any business man, no matter how we treat him, is an enterprise of various sizes, with jobs, wages, taxes on profits and extraction of natural resources, and so on. The entire budget of the country is deducted taxes and payments. You apparently did not study the subject "economics", but believe me, all of you listed are taxpayers. Therefore, everything that the state of Russia has received from them in the first place. About "on the sly" is a primitive view of the money turnover. They won't take a penny on the sly; these guys have a documentary basis for each of them. These are not holders of a vegetable market in the vicinity of Ryazan. laughing
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 5 August 2020 00: 25
              -2
              Quote: Hagen
              I also see you through the media (VO), are you fake?

              Is your logic all right? Media is not a fake. The information voiced by them can be fake and not fake. I am an individual, and therefore I cannot be a fake. My posts may or may not be.
              Following.
              And again, you have the wrong logic ...
              Quote: Hagen
              The Republic of Belarus receives from Russia in various ways up to $ 4,5 billion annually (per 10 million inhabitants!).

              In these words of yours, there is not a word about the taxes that Russian oligarchs pay to the budget of the Republic of Belarus. Those. it turns out that they just give the Belarusians $ 4,5 billion for nothing. And speaking about Russia, you indicate and admire how much taxes they pay to the Russian budget.
              And just like the Belarusians, 4,5 billion for 10 million people, why don't they give us? Because they are not patrons of art, and therefore they don’t give anything to Belarusians. Belarusians have earned these 4,5 billion. And the media put noodles on your ears, and you fell for it.
              In this way, the oligarchy divides peoples (they live at our expense! Etc.) and rule. This is a well-known formula for everyone. but you are led to it.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 5 August 2020 06: 29
                +2
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And just like the Belarusians, 4,5 billion for 10 million people, why don't they give us?

                This is not very logical with you ... Financial relations between Russia and Belarus are interstate relations. And this is not the place for sponsorship from private business. The state determines customs tariffs and it can also exempt from them in some part. The state gives money, not the oligarchs. By the way, have you read the definition of oligarchs? Which of them is in power?
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Belarusians earned these 4,5 billion

                Here you are really hanging noodles. Where did Belarus make these billions? What did she do? Have you raised shrimps in the swamps? I'll tell you how RB earns. He re-sticks the labels on the sanctioned goods and sends them to Russia as his own products. In a normal society, this is called fraud. And he also appropriates excise taxes and customs payments for oil products from the oil that he received without paying customs in favor of the manufacturer, i.e. the Russian Federation. That is why this "tax maneuver" was started in order to reduce this speculative margin of the Republic of Belarus. And they do not have any losses in money, there is a shortfall in the expected profit. So they are furious. And we, too, have no reason to feed this deck, which lies immovable in our pocket and shits on our doorstep.
                1. Arpad
                  Arpad 5 August 2020 06: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: Hagen
                  I'll tell you how RB earns. He re-sticks the labels on the sanctioned goods and sends them to Russia as his own products. In a normal society, this is called fraud.

                  in normal Yu society, if citizens support the actions of their government, then they do not buy these products.
                  Everything is much simpler - you would not buy, they would not re-stick.
                  Did you exclude the end buyer from this fraudulent formula, or do you believe in shrimp from Belarus?
                  Moreover, they are free to do what they want, they did not join the sanctions, but you? ...
                  Quote: Hagen
                  And they do not have any losses in money, there is a lost expected profit

                  this is the same loss, any financier will tell you.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 5 August 2020 12: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: Arpad
                    Everything is much simpler - you would not buy, they would not re-stick.

                    Did you go to the store with me?
                    Quote: Arpad
                    in normal Yu society, if citizens support the actions of their government, then they do not buy these products.

                    There are no normal societies in the world. There are always people who are outside of politics (as they think). So temper your righteous ardor.
                    Quote: Arpad
                    Moreover, they are free to do what they want

                    Having a union treaty, they lose some of their sovereignty. But since they consider themselves to be free of obligations in terms of pumping the sanctioned goods, it is obvious that the Russian government in response decided to be free from preferential prices and tariffs for them, and made a tax maneuver.
                    Quote: Arpad
                    and here you are? ...

                    What "here I am"? What can you show me? The idea of ​​going personal on the Internet is the stupidest possible one. You, not knowing what I am doing, put forward absurd suspicions to me. By doing so, you give me every right to evaluate you as a "very narrow-minded" opponent. Did you achieve this? laughing
    2. vavilon
      vavilon 3 August 2020 21: 43
      -22 qualifying.
      a bunch of oligarchs that's all of Russia, and the people serving their staff
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2020 22: 42
        -2
        Ha, tell us WHERE IS IT WRONG?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 5 August 2020 15: 12
          -1
          There is just one Oligarch in the Republic of Bashkortostan, though the most important and the prince of Lithuania concurrently ... wassat
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  • Baloo
    Baloo 3 August 2020 21: 01
    11
    It is important to note that the Russians were arrested just a few days after the announcement of the reopening of the American embassy in Minsk and after the appearance on the screens of the US Charge d'Affaires in the Republic of Belarus.
    Actually, this is the moment of truth. It turns out that the local KGB will soon become a branch of the CIA, as in Ukraine? belay
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 3 August 2020 21: 18
      17
      Quote: Balu
      It turns out that the local KGB will soon become a branch of the CIA, as in Ukraine?

      Well, if the CIA works with them, and they are satisfied with it, then it will become de jure. And, de facto, it has already become. How much more kooky?
      Just let them remember one thing, they did not spare anyone (not a single country) of those who flirted with the United States.
      1. Clear
        Clear 3 August 2020 21: 54
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        Well, if the CIA works with them, and they are satisfied with it, then it will become de jure. And, de facto, it has already become.

        I don’t want to believe it. After all, there are some "red" lines. They need to understand.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 3 August 2020 22: 43
          +4
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Terenin
          Well, if the CIA works with them, and they are satisfied with it, then it will become de jure. And, de facto, it has already become.

          I don’t want to believe it. After all, there are some "red" lines. They need to understand.

          True, but it depends on the limit of patience of one of the parties - a position, in violation of which "security is no longer guaranteed."
          Usually, the "red line" is openly communicated to the opponent to keep him from committing irreversible actions.
          We'll see.
        2. LMN
          LMN 4 August 2020 04: 20
          +4
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Terenin
          Well, if the CIA works with them, and they are satisfied with it, then it will become de jure. And, de facto, it has already become.

          I don’t want to believe it. After all, there are some "red" lines. They need to understand.

          The paradox is that "everyone", these "red lines" see. Naryshkin confirmed this. He said that the Western elites understand that this is a staging.
          The problem is why these lines cross ..
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 4 August 2020 06: 33
          +3
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Terenin
          Well, if the CIA works with them, and they are satisfied with it, then it will become de jure. And, de facto, it has already become.

          I don’t want to believe it. After all, there are some "red" lines. They need to understand.

          Lukashescu forgot about Gaddafi and Hussein.
      2. Arpad
        Arpad 5 August 2020 06: 40
        -2
        Quote: Terenin
        Just let them remember one thing, they did not spare anyone (not a single country) of those who flirted with the United States.

        precisely, this is evident from the standard of living of the defeated countries.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 August 2020 21: 01
    +6
    When friends fall off one after another, there is reason to think, is it only about friends?
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 3 August 2020 21: 09
      +9
      All their "friends" need more irrecoverable loans, the most "strong friendship" is built on the bubble good
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 3 August 2020 21: 25
        11
        If you want to lose a friend, lend him money
        1. Arpad
          Arpad 5 August 2020 06: 40
          -1
          Quote: 7,62x54
          If you want to lose a friend, lend him money

          it seems to me after your post. Maduro and Assad - nervously lit a cigarette on the sidelines.
      2. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 4 August 2020 02: 10
        +1
        Where can we find such friends? crying
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 3 August 2020 21: 22
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      When friends fall off one after another, there is reason to think, is it only about friends?

      How can a friend fall off?
    3. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 3 August 2020 22: 12
      -2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      When friends fall off one after another, there is reason to think, is it only about friends?

      They are not friends. In central Russia, villages are without gas and often without normal hospitals, because during the Soviet era, gas was supplied and new hospitals were built for ragul and the Baltic tigers, which all these ungrateful creatures have forgotten about. But now there will be no more such errors, I hope. And when the hospitals collapse and the pipes are left without Moskalsky gas, then we will laugh together.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 3 August 2020 22: 23
        +4
        Well, in Soviet times, all the best was given to non-brothers. And what prevents gasification of central Russia now?
        1. Ragnar Lodbrok
          Ragnar Lodbrok 3 August 2020 22: 33
          +4
          Greed. I used to be a "insider" at one time, more or less large villages were supplied with gas, and the rest are still drowned with dung, because it is not profitable to pull gas there, so the great and radiant ones commanded ... again. Gas, the main cost is behind the village, and not inside it.
          1. syndicalist
            syndicalist 4 August 2020 07: 08
            +1
            What villages? Well, if only this village is a suburb. Many cities in our country are not supplied with gas.
        2. Rusticolus
          Rusticolus 3 August 2020 23: 53
          +2
          Quote: 7,62x54
          Well, in Soviet times, all the best was given to non-brothers. And what prevents gasification of central Russia now?
          Generally, central Russia has been more gasified. But you are clearly not familiar with the map and the ruler and have a poor idea of ​​where the center of Russia really is.
          1. 7,62h54
            7,62h54 4 August 2020 11: 54
            -1
            This was not my statement. You perceive information in fragments. Read above.
        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 4 August 2020 11: 28
          +2
          At our dacha, the chairperson offered to drag 6 km of gas from the village to SNT, only now everyone sent her. It is expensive and disturbs.
    4. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 4 August 2020 03: 57
      +1
      It's just time to think about whether it was a friend.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 August 2020 21: 09
    -17 qualifying.
    After you hear the statement “Lukashenka does not want to integrate” the question immediately arises - should he?

    According to paragraph 1 of Art. 6 of the Union Treaty, each party is in general jurisdiction only those questions that it considers necessary. So there is no legal obligation.

    "1. Each member state retains, taking into account the powers voluntarily transferred to the Union State, sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity, state structure, the Constitution, the state flag, coat of arms and other attributes of statehood "

    And if we talk not about legal issues, but about real life, then the agreement was signed in such an optional form of the wine of Russia, and not of Belarus. It must be said frankly that at that time Lukashenko was the most ardent supporter of integration, but Chubais and his followers did everything to emasculate the content of this agreement, to make it optional. Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas. laughing- "You grab the lightning instead of answering and thereby discover that you are wrong!"
    1. Clear
      Clear 3 August 2020 21: 44
      11
      Gennady well, think what you write
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      agreement signed in such an optional form by the wine of Russia, not Belarus ...
      So agreement - this agreement among themselves
      and then suddenly - bam
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      the fault of Russia, not Belarus
      well, you are "well done!" You can't jump off.

      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      It must be said frankly that at that time Lukashenka was the most ardent supporter of integration.
      yes, he was, because his rival was Yeltsin, and then Putin became his rival, and dad was blown away.

      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas
      That's right, consider who is Prometheus and who is Zeus winked
  • Postum
    Postum 3 August 2020 21: 10
    -18 qualifying.
    Meanwhile, the cordon sanitaire around Russia begins to manifest itself more and more actively, which is facilitated by Russia itself
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 August 2020 21: 13
    +2
    Quote: 7,62x54
    When friends fall off one after another, there is reason to think, is it only about friends?

    You have the wrong address for the censor laughing
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 3 August 2020 22: 34
      -6
      Put on the pot, liberal.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 3 August 2020 21: 15
    +8
    ... I smell a non-Russian spirit ...
    Even though I am a Tatar ...
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  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 3 August 2020 21: 17
    11
    [quote = Hagen] [quote]
    "The problem is that the Republic of Belarus, represented by its President and his entourage, does not consider Russia a" friend and ally. "Russia is a cash cow for them ..."
    [/ Quote]

    Now no longer, the "cow" has ceased to give a lot of free buns.
    Therefore, it makes no sense to portray an ally. Perhaps Lukashenko decided to radically change course. And do it abruptly and loudly by slamming the door.
    A lot of any movement has happened near the Republic of Belarus (Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, USA) in recent years.

    You can certainly say that Lukoshenko has lost his mind and he does not understand what he is doing. But more and more it seems that bam does it consciously and purposefully. And nothing good in the relationship between Russia and the Republic of Belarus will come to light, including, unfortunately, for most of those arrested.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 August 2020 21: 20
    +7
    So the genius of the Polesie Bogs objectively did a good deed: he buried the face-to-face integration projects in the post-Soviet space in the format "oil in exchange for smiles." And many thanks to him for that.

    And it's time for the Lukaseks to change their shoes in a jump - Luka goes into oblivion. laughing Russia will not share with Belarus either a nuclear suitcase or an energy stick. Even if Lukashenka threatens to go over to the side of the EU.
    1. Junior Private
      Junior Private 3 August 2020 21: 30
      +4
      The EU is no longer a trend. England is fleeing, and Europeans do not need new Greeks with Bulgarians.
    2. Clear
      Clear 3 August 2020 21: 50
      +4
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      So the genius of the Polesie Bogs objectively did a good deed: he buried the face-to-face integration projects in the post-Soviet space in the format "oil in exchange for smiles".

      Here I agree with you.
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2020 00: 48
      -5
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Luke disappears into oblivion. Russia will not share with Belarus either a nuclear suitcase or an energy stick. Even if Lukashenka threatens to go over to the side of the EU.

      Well, let's say it disappears into oblivion - political non-living will come, the economy of the Republic of Belarus will fall down, the economy of the Russian Federation will not get any better from this. If such a prospect pleases you, rejoice. If, excuse me, you express joy at the regular embassy, ​​maybe a free cookie will fall. hi
  • Alber alber
    Alber alber 3 August 2020 21: 22
    -8
    What kind of fraternal relations are there, their GDP is already in fright with the ruin showed, God forbid Mariupol to take, and people both died and are dying, so it will happen here, there will be GDP in the deflection, and everyone will carry on onion nonsense, and then west with a kick and he with a beaten dog will come running to Vova to beg for troops. Well, the sanctions seem to be on their own
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 3 August 2020 21: 27
    +6
    And so, the "WarGonzo" project, thanks to sources in the special services of Belarus, managed to find out that the Belarusians themselves were engaged in the protection of objects abroad. And for whom did they do it? And they did it for Chinese companies. Let me remind you that the KGB fighters of Belarus from the Alfa unit and the Almaz Interior Ministry came to detain the Russians. These special forces are considered one of the most combat-ready in Belarus. From this it is interesting to know that it is the fighters of these units who go on "vacation" to Venezuela, as well as to other Latin American and African countries. all the talk about the fact that Lukashenka did not know anything and that he was framed by the special services can not even be discussed. laughing
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 3 August 2020 21: 40
    12
    Even if Lukash falls to the west, he himself will hold on to power only until the final break in relations with Russia. As soon as the point of non-return is passed in the relationship, the west will throw off Lukash as his worn-out mittens (or other product). This is a classic - "The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave." The Anglo-Saxons are pragmatists - they will kick in the ass and put their pupil at the helm, and the obstinate director of the state farm will retire. How long will he be able to sit on a quiet pension before the start of the first lawsuits?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 August 2020 22: 17
      +5
      Quote: Kill the fascist
      then the west will throw off Lukash as his worn-out mittens (or other product). This is a classic - "The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave." The Anglo-Saxons are pragmatists - they will kick in the ass and put their pupil at the helm, and the obstinate director of the state farm will retire. How long will he be able to sit on a quiet pension before the start of the first lawsuits?


      That's right, only he won't get to retirement ...
  • Operator
    Operator 3 August 2020 21: 45
    +1
    The Chargé d'Affaires raped Rygorych, he was blown up and ran to take Russian citizens hostage.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 3 August 2020 21: 47
    -22 qualifying.
    In terms of living standards and culture, we are far behind Belarus
    Even Poles envy them
    Or maybe I need to think about why around us (the former socialist countries) are all bad and we are the only good or maybe it's the other way around!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 August 2020 22: 19
      +8
      Quote: vavilon
      In terms of living standards and culture, we are far behind Belarus
      Even Poles envy them


      Talk nonsense. I have reason to say so. I am Belarusian, I grew up in Minsk, now I live in the Kuban. In Soviet times, yes it was. Now there is nothing left ...
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 3 August 2020 22: 30
        -17 qualifying.
        So you haven't been at home for a long time
        In terms of quality of life, Russia is far behind Belarus
        Moscow and Peter are out of tune
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 3 August 2020 22: 46
          +5
          Do not tell fairy tales - it is only relatively good there in Minsk. Of course, you cannot compare with Moscow. And I was for the last time in the 13th year.
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 4 August 2020 08: 36
            -2
            Am I telling fairy tales?)))
            Just compare any of our Russian villages from the Belarusian one, even a blind person will see it
            As for our policy regarding the neighbors, it is extremely aggressive, and that's why they are looking for salvation in the west, and there are the same liberal predators as ours.
            We are Russians! and they are someone there, we will not give them, we! we .... ,,
            What are we?))
            For the collapse of the union for Ukraine, Belarus, we are primarily responsible,
            we rejected them and left them to their fate, you see
            we will not give them gas or oil, but who do you think we are !?
            About 70 percent of businesses are owned by oligarchs
            Example: Suleiman Kerimov to the main oligarch of Polyus-Zoloto (78,6% of shares), the largest gold producer in Russia, in the second quarter his fortune increased by $ 8,8 billion and reached $ 18,8 billion.
            And we shout we are Russians! , we are.! from (bare butt) sorry for the expression
            We climbed into Syria to protect the legitimate President Assad and Ukraine was abandoned to die out, where is the logic?) But it is not because we only have the interest of the oligarchs, but not Russia, we are for them a bio-mass from which they mold from us what they want.
            Now think about what country we live in
            And if Lukashenka had such natural resources, Belarus would be a prosperous country
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 16: 29
              -1
              Quote: vavilon
              Am I telling fairy tales?)))
              Just compare any of our Russian villages from the Belarusian one, even a blind person will see it


              Well, do you really want this? Please, we compare any village of the Krasnodar Territory with any Belarusian
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 4 August 2020 17: 21
                -1
                Here they worked it out)) And what does the Krasnodar Territory have to do with it, why not the Kurgan or Kirov regions and any region of the hinterland
                After all, everyone cannot live in the Krasnodar Territory or Kaliningrad
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 19: 21
                  0
                  O began to drift off the topic. You would have looked about what you wrote earlier. And not the Kurgan or Kirov patamas, I was not there.
                  1. vavilon
                    vavilon 4 August 2020 20: 50
                    -2
                    Yes, there is no congress
                    Each country has illustrative regions as a visiting card, and in Russia the Krasnodar Territory and Kaliningrad are such
                    And you go to the outback and feel the difference
                    And in Belarus it is stable everywhere
                    And this is an example of Russia
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 21: 30
                      0
                      Quote: vavilon
                      And in Belarus it is stable everywhere


                      I know, stable ass everywhere. I ask you not to tell me tales about my small homeland. The last time I was, I rode a little around the Republic of Belarus. Over the past 7 years, everything has changed only for the worse.
                      1. vavilon
                        vavilon 4 August 2020 21: 49
                        -1
                        Here is a small homeland, but you live in a big one, why don't you live in your small homeland like in a big one?)
                        And because your big oligarchic homeland rips off your own compatriots to the last thread
                        Why should your relative in a small homeland pay
                        For energy resources twice as much as in the big homeland?)) Yes, because they called everyone Belarusians and shared that it was “they” and this is “WE” and this happens with all the Union republics, sooner or later the Kremlin will break out of such a policy
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 22: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: vavilon
                        from a small homeland, but you live in a big one, why don't you live in your small homeland like in a big one?)


                        Do you even understand what you're talking about?
                      3. vavilon
                        vavilon 4 August 2020 22: 25
                        0
                        And what is not clear here, I quoted your statement
    2. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 3 August 2020 23: 36
      +8
      Yeah .... Grannies selling sausage at the Vitebsk railway station, hiding "her" in their bosom from passing police officers and passing by (as it seems to them), suspicious men. Well, very happy with the order and culture. And how happy they are with the "quality of life" ... laughing
      Chat, you will have the opportunity. wink
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 4 August 2020 09: 42
        -2
        ... (Grannies selling sausage at the Vitebsk railway station, hiding "it" in their bosom from passing policemen and passing by)

        Can you imagine sausage made from real meat, where have you seen this in Russia?
        We have nothing to sell, everything has been privatized
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 4 August 2020 11: 32
          +2
          Quote: vavilon
          Can you imagine sausage made from real meat, where have you seen this in Russia?

          laughing To tears.. good
          Sure !!! And I can compare, tk. I live in the Kaliningrad region. wink There is enough of everything.
          And my advice to you, take the sausage from small producers.
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 4 August 2020 11: 37
            -3
            Everyone in the Kaliningrad region cannot live in Russia, as the Baltic was during the union, but you try to any other region, for example, the Kirov region, I think your opinion will quickly change.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 4 August 2020 11: 52
              +5
              Don't tell me tales ... wink
              Almost every year I go on vacation to Krasn. Krai by train. Kirov, though I don’t pass, but the interlocutors, almost from all over Russia. My advice to you, do not buy in a 5-ke. laughing
              Go to a market or food store and look for a local manufacturer there. The price will be less than for the "Belarusian". yes
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 4 August 2020 13: 40
                -1
                Thanks for the advice.
                But I prefer and advised all my relatives only Belarusian products and no one was disappointed
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 4 August 2020 00: 02
      +6
      Why doesn't it count? There are twice as many people living in Moscow and St. Petersburg as in Belarus. In most cities and districts of the Moscow region, in Tataria, in the Kuban and in the Belgorod region, people also live on average better than in Belarus. And a number of other Russian regions can be named.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 4 August 2020 09: 44
        -1
        Look around you don't see anything except Moscow and St. Petersburg
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 3 August 2020 23: 16
    +9
    Specify - who are we? Ukraine, Georgia or Turkmenistan? The fact that there was no failure in Belarus is also a merit of Lukashenka, but also good-neighborly relations with Russia, or rather, preferential prices for energy resources and an open Russian market for goods from Belarus.
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 4 August 2020 09: 54
      -2
      What's the difference between us Ukrainians and Belarusians?
      or between us and the Tatars?
      Are Tatars closer to us than a Ukrainian or a Belarusian? nonsense,) It's just that there are brothers in Tatarstan
      and others to the side.
      But dad was not at the mercy of the Kremlin because he offered the Union on equal terms and our oligarchs are not profitable such conditions, they just want to swallow Belarus
      And mind you, not Russia is not profitable, but a bunch of oligarchs, that's all you Russia
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: vavilon
        Are Tatars closer to us than a Ukrainian or a Belarusian?


        And in my opinion closer ...
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 4 August 2020 21: 39
          -2
          There would be no oil would be much further
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 21: 41
            -1
            You still don't know the history of how it was.
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 4 August 2020 21: 58
              -1
              What does history have to do with today's realities,
              Referring to history when there are no arguments
              Well, if we are already talking about history, then Belarus and Ukraine have the same rights to resources as Russia
              Although what kind of Russia is a bunch of oligarchs who represent the whole country as in Ukraine
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 22: 05
                -1
                They turn to history when it becomes clear that the companion no longer even understands what the game is ...
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  • SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD 3 August 2020 23: 43
    +1
    Stop raving
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 4 August 2020 11: 25
      -3
      What is my delusion?
      Or As they say "nothing to cover"
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 4 August 2020 15: 02
        +2
        There is something:
        Why do Belarusians go to work to us and not vice versa (this is according to the "standard of living")
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  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 4 August 2020 10: 06
    +5
    Quote: vavilon
    In terms of living standards and culture, we are far behind Belarus
    Even Poles envy them

    Really millions of Russians were drawn to Belarus to work? wink
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 4 August 2020 11: 43
      -3
      What does culture have in common with your earnings?
      Yes, and I have not met the Belarusians of pavement workers
      1. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 4 August 2020 15: 06
        +2
        Stop!
        You wrote that your standard of living is higher, I denied, like Alexey.
        You start to "slide out".
        I have nothing and have never had anything against Belarusians, I believe that we are one people.
        But today we are divided by the border and live in different countries, in our country, it so happened, the standard of living is higher, you say the opposite, I refute it.
        That's all
        1. vavilon
          vavilon 4 August 2020 17: 33
          0
          The fact of the matter is that we "Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians" were reunited against our will, and the policy is being carried out by sowing anti-people enmity between us.
          And if you also think that we are one people, why did we leave Ukraine to its fate? Why are they now sowing enmity between Belarusians and us? But this is all done, information and technical resources are deliberately mobilized to make Belarus bend like Ukraine
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 4 August 2020 21: 40
            -1
            Quote: vavilon
            that we are one people, so why did we leave Ukraine to the mercy of fate?

            Well, you are impudent. Did we leave it? From the first day of independence, Ukraine destroyed everything Russian in itself. And I even remember how Ukraine, immediately after it became such an independent country, organized the seizure of the coastal facilities of the Black Sea Fleet, beating up officers and warrant officers. Moreover, these dirty tricksters did not even rock the boat at seriously protected objects. Objects of hydrographs fell victim

            Quote: vavilon
            Why are they now sowing enmity between Belarusians and us?


            Crimea whose?
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 4 August 2020 22: 31
              -1
              Crimea is our Russian it is indisputable
              But why did we not stand for Ukraine as for Syria?
              What politicians say does not mean that people are like that
    2. vavilon
      vavilon 4 August 2020 17: 23
      -1
      If not to Belarus, then to Europe for sure
      Want to say from a good life!?)
  • Clear
    Clear 3 August 2020 21: 48
    +4
    Quote: Tank jacket
    ... I smell a non-Russian spirit ...
    Even though I am a Tatar ...

    Ruslanchik, this is how I, as a Russian, felt this spirit immediately after registration on the site yes
  • Graz
    Graz 3 August 2020 22: 04
    +2
    it is necessary harder, and our snot is smeared
  • Dmitry10SPb
    Dmitry10SPb 3 August 2020 22: 24
    -18 qualifying.
    Not everything is clear. Forecast. Lukashenka has recently won another "elegant" victory. The people, of course, are very buzzing. And then suddenly ... blood flows. A lot is pouring. Very. As a result, we get a very weakened and rather dependent on us Lukashenka. So this option is quite possible - he fished out the first batch of those sent to pour this very blood. For this, the composition of the group is ideal. The rest of the 200 did not have time to send. Impossible, tell me? I do not know.
    1. Dmitry10SPb
      Dmitry10SPb 3 August 2020 22: 36
      -15 qualifying.
      No, but what. Imagine that YOU are in charge of a serious structure. Let's call it "office". Handsomely. Your superior asks: "What has been done to ensure the interests of Russia during the elections in the Republic of Belarus"? You are like: "Yes, here, the analysts did some work ...". Bad. Not this way. Now you are the same, but advanced: "During the operation, it is planned to deploy 200 soldiers, ready to intervene in the hours of X, Y and Z on command!" Another thing is cho. The level of fighters is better, by the way, than near Slavyansk at Girkin-Strelkov.
      1. Mik1701
        Mik1701 3 August 2020 23: 23
        -8
        Belarus today and Ukraine 2014, as they say in Odessa, are two big differences .. The army, special services, vigilant citizens .. There will be no blitzkrieg like in Slavyansk.
      2. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 4 August 2020 00: 33
        +1
        And why carry this nonsense? ...
        Tell me ... you yourself even believe in it ... even one iota? ...
        1. Dmitry10SPb
          Dmitry10SPb 4 August 2020 00: 45
          -5
          You know, I admit it as a version. The direction of the Strelkov-Girkin group also did not fit into my picture of the world. It's nonsense, after all. Obviously not the forces that were needed. Since then, I have unwittingly adjusted my idea of ​​decision makers. The alternative version about Lukashenka who has gone mad seems even more doubtful. The version that he is using the incident to postpone the elections has not yet been confirmed. However, tomorrow he has a speech scheduled. Let's wait for what he says.
          1. nPuBaTuP
            nPuBaTuP 4 August 2020 01: 28
            +5
            How can you tolerate nonsense? ..... this is a clinic ..... you urgently need to see a doctor .....
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 3 August 2020 22: 54
    -1
    If in the near Moscow region, in Novo-Ogaryovo, a group of young beautiful veterans of the DB, completely incomprehensible, and before the choice, the GDP will not have reactions?
    1. Gato
      Gato 3 August 2020 23: 57
      +4
      the group will arrive

      If a group of 33 veterans - it is unlikely. If the group is several thousand, then it may be surprised ... belay
    2. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 4 August 2020 00: 35
      +3
      A group will arrive that will control the "beautiful veterans", at the same time punching who they are and what they are ..... and only then will they accept ..... I think so .....
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 3 August 2020 22: 55
    +6
    The Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that the Republic of Belarus was and remains a close friend and ally of the Russian Federation.


    it’s too late to remind them of this. For the "independent" Belarusian authorities have never considered Russia either a close friend or an ally. And flattering words about brotherhood and alliance were for the most part spoken the day before and together with a petition to reduce gas and oil prices and provide free aid with loans ...
    So to say, sly words from Luka. But in fact, there was no alliance and for any event that was born in Russia Lukashenka riveted his counterfeit analogue (for the Immortal Regiment action, instead of the St. George's ribbon his symbol in the form of a flower, etc.).
    A close friend and ally does not take your loved ones hostage and does not try to transfer them to your enemies for reprisal.
    Now what is happening is what those who have been talking about the situation in Belarus for a long time (from education, culture to political issues where Russia was exhibited sitting on the neck of the Belarusian people and Peter 1, according to their textbooks, almost staged genocide of Belarusians) just like in the film "Genius" where the main character is sold by his "friend" and helps the enemies to take his relatives hostage.
    What Lukashenka did by taking 33 Russians hostage was not allowed by any of the Ukrainian authorities until the Maidan in 2014, although Ukraine and Russia did not sign a union agreement between themselves.

    Some say "if Belarus falls off, you will lose your last friend." Yes, the Belarusian government was never a friend of Russia, but only a friend of cheap gas, oil and credits. Russia wants and is not able to further give big discounts on energy resources and loans for nothing and requires real steps in mutual integration from Belarus.
    The government of Belarus wants to simultaneously fight the Russian world and get buns from Russia.
    I hope this is over forever.
    For the heaviest weights on Russia's legs are the independent Ukraine and Belorussiya. Nezalezhnaya Ukraine has disappeared and Independent Belarus will fall off after it.
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 3 August 2020 23: 24
    -4
    Russia has never interfered and is not going to interfere in the internal Belarusian processes

    The fact is that none of the arrested citizens of Russia even knows the names of the Belarusian oppositionists who want to oust the current president in the upcoming elections.

    Summoned to make excuses to him? Seriously?
    I will repeat once again the sad formula of the behavior of our "rulers", this time in relation to Belarus: if Lukashenko were a Russian pre-retirement, we would have bent over his knee at one moment for the good of Russia, and so we will bend ourselves. It is one thing for the law-abiding citizens of Russia, who entrusted our "elite" to govern the country, to fearlessly bend wherever they want - let them endure, and quite another thing to do something really with those who are not so accommodating and can show thin, but teeth.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 3 August 2020 23: 26
    -5
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Quote: 7,62x54
    When friends fall off one after another, there is reason to think, is it only about friends?

    They are not friends. In central Russia, villages are without gas and often without normal hospitals, because during the Soviet era, gas was supplied and new hospitals were built for ragul and the Baltic tigers, which all these ungrateful creatures have forgotten about. But now there will be no more such errors, I hope. And when the hospitals collapse and the pipes are left without Moskalsky gas, then we will laugh together.

    villages without normal hospitals ....... mdaaaaaa .... and VDNKh is not there either? what about the dialysis center? and there are no ski resorts by chance there in the villages ??? a terrible flaw ... some kind of nonsense ... under Soviet rule there were no hospitals in the villages and here you are
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 4 August 2020 01: 07
      -1
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      villages without normal hospitals ....... mdaaaaaa ....... some kind of nonsense .... under Soviet rule, there were no hospitals in the villages and here you are

      Not everything that you cannot see and / or understand is nonsense.
      Already hospital buildings in the regional centers of the Volga region have been killed and destroyed. With heart attacks, it is recommended to die with a pill under the tongue and go home. If you're lucky, they can take you to the neighboring regional center in 50-100 km.
  • Gato
    Gato 3 August 2020 23: 52
    0
    Something seems to me, but father has exactly two outputs:
    a) loving elections, surrendering Belarus to the Maydauns - and to Rostov
    b) strangle the Maidan, finally quarrel with the West and fall into the arms of the Russian Federation - then Rostov can still wait ..
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 August 2020 00: 08
    0
    Interestingly, these narrow-minded will dare to transfer our soldiers to the Ukrainians?
    If they do, it’s definitely a kapets Old Man.
    He is already running along the Yanukovosch road. But he had already loved the apartment in Rostov.
    1. Gato
      Gato 4 August 2020 08: 54
      0
      If they do, then it’s definitely a kapets Old Man

      Do you seriously think that a person who has been in power for a quarter of a century is capable of such an inadequacy? Personally, I am more and more inclined to the version that this whole performance is a slight curtsey towards the west in order to dodge sanctions in the event of a harsh suppression of the Maidan.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 August 2020 02: 49
    0
    Quote: 7,62x54
    Put on the pot, liberal.

    My friend, I'm more of a conservative laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 4 August 2020 02: 53
    +1
    Quote: vavilon
    In terms of living standards and culture, we are far behind Belarus
    Even Poles envy them
    Or maybe I need to think about why around us (the former socialist countries) are all bad and we are the only good or maybe it's the other way around!

    laughing Are you joking?
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 4 August 2020 03: 05
    0
    Shitty comrades !!! So it began with Ukraine. I cannot find an answer what 33 "heroes" did in Belarus.
  • ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 4 August 2020 03: 50
    0
    Well, since a brotherly country is also necessary, we also need to catch "terrorists" from Belarus and ask them to give out everything about their terrorist activities, because no one needs proof now, the main thing is to make and shout louder, to the whole world, stop the thief. In general, it seems that the daddy has suffered, trying to sit on two, atoms and three stools.
  • north 2
    north 2 4 August 2020 05: 14
    +2
    If you look at how the representatives of the Russian Communist Party are thrilled with happiness on Russian TV channels,
    one after the other, only declaring that Lukashenka is a friend of Russia and an excellent leader of the union state and Belarusians are brothers, then it becomes obvious that if in the Russian government, in the Duma, in
    Ministry of Foreign Affairs, foreign intelligence has the same dreamers about the brothers and relatives of Russia and the Russian people, then Russia will again be milked by all and sundry, as the Russian SSR was milked by fourteen so-called brothers and sisters during the USSR. So these are just fraternal milkmaids from the USSR. And how many more such fraternal milkers were in the countries of the Warsaw Pact. Everybody there Bulgarians and Poles ... This disease of gullible Russians, about brothers and relatives, and led to the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, when those so-called relatives just sensed that under Gorbachev Russia fell ill and became weak and it is impossible to milk it, then these so-called fraternal peoples immediately abandoned Russia and some others became relatives of Russia's enemies in the NATO family. Moreover, they left all the wealth for themselves
    which they have formed from the milking of Russia for fifty years. If the current government of Russia, the President
    and the patriotic elite of Russia suffers from the fact that the Russian people must necessarily have brothers and relatives, and only then Russia will be safe, then this will one day lead Russia to collapse. AND
    Lukashenka is still that milkman ...
  • north 2
    north 2 4 August 2020 06: 11
    +1
    How much money, funds and how much subsidies, how many benefits and non-repaid loans Russia boomed
    to Belarus and Ukraine, not only during the time of the USSR, but even now today's Russia, after the treacherous Belavezha agreements! These are astronomical amounts! The Russian Foreign Ministry should not have summoned the Ambassador of Belarus to Russia, but it should have been that Putin would have conveyed messages to Lukashenka and Zelensky as follows:
    "Do not expect that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever.
    Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don't rely on the ones you signed.
    Jesuit agreements that supposedly justify you; they are not worth the paper they were signed on.
    Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians either honestly, or not playing at all. "
    ps
    The truth is so about Russia and about the Russians and about the cunning ones with their sirloin who want to take advantage of the temporarily weak Russia, said Otto von Bismrk, but for how exactly ...
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 4 August 2020 07: 11
    0
    Bulba dad into the bowels of the body for this negative
  • bar
    bar 4 August 2020 07: 52
    0
    actions of the Belarusian side in relation to Russian citizens .... does not correspond to the spirit of fraternal, allied relations between Russia and Belarus.

    And it's all??? negative
  • iouris
    iouris 4 August 2020 11: 03
    -1
    So the relationship is not brotherly (but sisterly).
  • Looking for
    Looking for 4 August 2020 14: 57
    0
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Yes, in this case it would be possible to say that Russia does not abandon its own, but throws.
    Especially, the elderly and the poor are depriving them of high-quality and inexpensive Belarusian products.

    tak.that we will change prestige for sausage ????
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 4 August 2020 17: 52
    0
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    villages without normal hospitals ....... mdaaaaaa ....... some kind of nonsense .... under Soviet rule, there were no hospitals in the villages and here you are

    Not everything that you cannot see and / or understand is nonsense.
    Already hospital buildings in the regional centers of the Volga region have been killed and destroyed. With heart attacks, it is recommended to die with a pill under the tongue and go home. If you're lucky, they can take you to the neighboring regional center in 50-100 km.

    Well, that is, the villages have already gently flowed into regional centers ????? I didn't say good or bad, but in order to condemn you have to keep the level yourself)))) And then you twist like the last cheat, and then you quietly start to move out - and now it infuriates that from there, what from here.
    PS And for a similar level of cheating in cards - they beat in the face at least
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 4 August 2020 17: 56
    -1
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    villages without normal hospitals ....... mdaaaaaa ....... some kind of nonsense .... under Soviet rule, there were no hospitals in the villages and here you are

    Not everything that you cannot see and / or understand is nonsense.
    Already hospital buildings in the regional centers of the Volga region have been killed and destroyed. With heart attacks, it is recommended to die with a pill under the tongue and go home. If you're lucky, they can take you to the neighboring regional center in 50-100 km.

    specifically, the village of Kaplino, Belgorod region, Starooskolsky district - all the way there is one paramedic and a paramedic station - at the moment TWO new FAPs have been installed, with personnel (the village is long and squiggly, therefore there are two). That's it, the report ended and not with general phrases like "somewhere in the Ryazan region", but with a specific indication of the settlement
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 5 August 2020 15: 18
      -1
      The village of Kurchanskaya. the population is 8-9 thousand people. Ambulance point + polyclinic. There is a children's specialist. With narrow specialists and a certain tension, there is a place to be. In difficult cases, they are immediately taken to Slavyansk / Anapa or Krasnodar
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 August 2020 22: 19
    0
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    villages without normal hospitals ....... mdaaaaaa ....... some kind of nonsense .... under Soviet rule, there were no hospitals in the villages and here you are

    Not everything that you cannot see and / or understand is nonsense.
    Already hospital buildings in the regional centers of the Volga region have been killed and destroyed. With heart attacks, it is recommended to die with a pill under the tongue and go home. If you're lucky, they can take you to the neighboring regional center in 50-100 km.

    specifically, the village of Kaplino, Belgorod region, Starooskolsky district - all the way there is one paramedic and a paramedic station - at the moment TWO new FAPs have been installed, with personnel (the village is long and squiggly, therefore there are two). That's it, the report ended and not with general phrases like "somewhere in the Ryazan region", but with a specific indication of the settlement

    ahahahahahahahahaha ... and what do I not hesitate to say "female dog" minus something? what do you dislike? do not believe - feet in hands and march to check ladi))))