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New patriots. Ministry of Education version

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Source: ocdod74.ru


Country of patriots


Brevity is known to be the sister of talent. With this in mind, we suggest that you familiarize yourself with the new formulation of the concept of education:

“This is an activity aimed at personal development, creating conditions for self-determination and socialization of students on the basis of socio-cultural, spiritual and moral values ​​and rules and norms of behavior adopted in Russian society in the interests of a person, family, society and the state, the formation of a sense of patriotism and citizenship in students , respect for the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the heroic deeds of the heroes of the Fatherland, for law and order, a man of labor and the older generation, mutual respect, respect for the cultural heritage and traditions of the multinational people of the Russian Federation, for nature and the environment "

Total - 58 words! In the previous definition of the term, everything ended on the part "in the interests of the individual, family, society and state."

On the one hand, the new bill describes everything in much more detail than the previous version and, obviously, more substantively. The state has seriously paid attention to this aspect of school life, since the definition has expanded. But on the other hand, education has become an overly broad concept. Previously, it concerned the socialization of a person in the modern world on the basis of established norms of society, and now it includes история, and ecology, and culture. At the same time, an obvious emphasis is placed on the education of patriotism and citizenship.

In addition, new jobs were added to teachers and teachers of higher education institutions. The content of the educational program has changed. Now it must necessarily include a work program for education and a schedule for such work. What does it mean? This will entail a major revision of approaches to teaching subjects and extracurricular activities. Did you say that the school does not educate the younger generation? Everything will change from September 1. At least on paper. The Ministry of Education has already prepared a unified model education program for schoolchildren for the whole country.


Source: detki.guru

Now let's figure it out. Let's start with what criteria are currently used to assess the low level of education in Russian schools. If we take into account the notorious polls of VTsIOM, then in recent years the parental community is increasingly dissatisfied with the level of education in schools. And they say that every year it gets worse and worse. If you look at this situation "head-on", then the school is certainly to blame. However, there are several contradictions here. Firstly, none of the parents admits that an ill-mannered child is something of a flaw in mom and dad. It is much easier to declare the class teachers to be guilty than to face family problems honestly. Meanwhile, it is the parental behavior that prevails in the early stages of raising children. For example, if the father in the family smokes, then the son or (to a lesser extent) daughter will be susceptible to this addiction. And even teachers will break into a cake in their propaganda of a healthy lifestyle - everything will be useless if the father puts out a pack of cigarettes a day. Mom, when she catches her son smoking in secret, in most cases will blame the school. Here is a logical chain of the formation of public opinion regarding school education. Of course, the example is a bit naive, but it conveys the essence of the question.

Secondly, parents assess the level of education of modern youth in a nostalgic comparison with the Soviet school. Moreover, they even compare 30-35-year-old parents who did not find the USSR in school life! It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school, it is time to accept and understand. It was good with propaganda and brainwashing. Suffice it to recall how long May 9 was not an official holiday in the USSR. The Soviet system was not bad for the semblance of a socialist system. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, the country “depressurized”, a whole generation found itself without “self-determination and socialization,” as they say in modern laws. You can just look at the bacchanalia that took place in the early 90s in order to understand what kind of "educated" were released from schools.

Therefore, public views on school education should not be overly dramatized. For example: in Russia, the post of Minister of Education (Enlightenment) is perhaps the most thankless: such a flurry of criticism has to be psychologically endured. In our country, as you know, ordinary people “professionally” talk about two things - education and politics. If there may be certain problems with the last point, then with education everything is simple - I don't want to criticize. Therefore, it is not necessary to say that the demands for a revision of the educational system came from below. The demands for innovation come from the top and are far from clear-cut.

Patriotism or Loyalty?


Actually, why did everyone decide that Russian youth suddenly so unexpectedly needed additional education in the spirit of patriotism? Moreover, in such a strictly regulated plan. In addition to the high-profile case of a boy from Novy Urengoy in 2017, there were no special prerequisites for such a serious change in course. On the contrary, Yunarmiya cells, school cadet and Cossack classes, the TRP, school search detachments, etc. are actively working. Schoolchildren are taken to screenings of feature films with quite understandable patriotic overtones, and in history textbooks the role of the Soviet Union in the victory in World War II is never not understated. For comparison, read history textbooks from the 90s and early 2000s. Military universities for the most part barely fight off those wishing to become officers, and cadet, Suvorov and Nakhimov schools - from future students. The prestige of military service is now at its highest since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The main reason for the change in legislation is not clear: where, in fact, did everyone get punctured and raised generations of unpatriots? It is enough to look at the level of volunteer movement among young people, which is often not encouraged or directed by anyone. Caring for neighbors, for your compatriots - is this not patriotism? Instead, Vyacheslav Nikonov (Molotov's grandson), chairman of the State Duma Committee on Education and Science, says about the initiative:

"This bill will allow the school to educate winners."

With whom they decided to fight and whom to defeat, Doctor of Historical Sciences Nikonov does not specify. Nor does it say whether all those who graduated from school earlier can be considered losers. All this becomes similar to the search for mythical external enemies, to the next rallying of the nation and, as a consequence, the transition of patriotic education to propaganda. Maybe you need to educate not a patriot, but a person loyal to the state?

Meanwhile, in the Russian Academy of Education (more precisely, in its subdivision, the Institute for Education Development Strategy), an alternative "Model Program of Education" has been developed, in which education itself is considered from a slightly different point of view. There is no bias in the direction of patriotism, but there is a very specific set of forms, techniques and methods of working with the younger generation. There are also wonderful words:

"The modern national educational ideal is a highly moral, creative, competent citizen of Russia, accepting the fate of the Fatherland as his own, realizing responsibility for the present and future of his country, rooted in the spiritual and cultural traditions of the multinational people of the Russian Federation."

Quite logical and carefully considered words. By the way, the program was developed by order of the Ministry of Education and managed to be tested in 370 schools in the country. Pavel Valentinovich Stepanov, Head of the Laboratory of Strategy and Theory of Personality Upbringing at the Institute for Education Development Strategy of the Russian Academy of Education, during the presentation of the draft program, said, in particular:

“We offer a“ constructor ”from which schools can create their own programs necessary for them, selecting and adding“ details ”for their specifics. In addition, this format will help reduce the time spent on "paper" work. Instead of dividing educational work into directions, it is proposed to distribute it according to those spheres of joint activity of teachers and schoolchildren that are actually organized at school. In other words, what we do is what we write. We do not focus on events as such, but on creating, in the process of joint activities, child-adult communities that unite children and teachers with common interests, hobbies, feelings, emotions, because this is the only way to transfer values. "

This contrasts very much with the upbringing of a generation of winners, isn't it?

New patriots. Ministry of Education version

Source: etidor.ru

Now, probably, seditious words will be heard, but in the initiatives concerning school education, more and more ideas of a certain conservatism sound. In the most negative sense of the word. Several years ago, the teaching community proclaimed the individualization and differentiation of school education as a key idea. This is when each student will have a special approach, when different requirements are imposed on different children. Everything will depend on abilities and freedom of choice. In many ways, the Russian school was supposed to become an analogue of Western educational institutions with their high level of individual freedom. In contrast to this, uniform, strict educational programs for schoolchildren across the country appear. Time will tell whether this will be a new trend in the Russian school.
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    1. Stas157
      Stas157 4 August 2020 07: 24
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      the emphasis is on education patriotism and citizenship.

      More precisely - putreatism. In the light of the anti-popular and cannibalistic policy of the authorities, the theme of patriotism looks like the last refuge of villains.

      There was no need to artificially pump up this topic in the USSR. After all, every student knew that we were the first in everything. In space, in sports, in science ... and the industry gave the most coal and steel.

      And what can you be proud of now? Except for the luxurious yachts of the oligarchs, ripping off the people like sticky, there is nothing more to be proud of.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 4 August 2020 07: 52
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        Quote: Stas157
        And what can you be proud of now? Except for the luxurious yachts of the oligarchs, ripping off the people like sticky, there is nothing more to be proud of.

        Stas is in solidarity! hi
        Patriotism is great and Russia needs patriots, but not those who are building their own lives over the hill, but here they "make money." You need to start teaching the youth patriotism by personal example, when the children of officials and oligarchs study in the same school and are treated in the same hospital with common people ..
        But you must admit that under the capitalist system, with total lack of justice, the future patriot will grow up and take down this power. Because there is no justice in it for the majority. The patriot will build socialism.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 4 August 2020 08: 20
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          Quote: Svarog
          The patriot will build socialism.

          Absolutely agree. Our grandparents, with blood and sweat, created the world's first socialist state, the most just in the world. Will their incredible efforts and self-sacrifice go to waste? For a true patriot, there is no need to invent anything, a real example in front of us is the feat of our ancestors and socialist achievements.
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 4 August 2020 08: 02
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        Quote: Stas157

        There was no need to artificially pump up this topic in the USSR. After all, every student knew that we were the first in everything. In space, in sports, in science ... and the industry gave the most coal and steel.

        And school education was excellent. True, it is not clear why people with the correct Soviet education after the collapse of the union went en masse to give money to fortune-tellers, sorcerers, swindlers, MMM and other financial pyramids. They began to join sects and charge cans of water in front of the TV.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 4 August 2020 08: 27
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          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          True it is not clear why people with the correct Soviet education after the collapse of the union, they massively went to give money to fortune-tellers, sorcerers, fraudsters, MMM and other financial pyramids

          They were gullible. They believed in the state, believed in strong comrades, that is, each other. So they taught, so they lived ... it was a shame not to trust. Life was honest before we got into the realm of lies and injustice. But now no one believes anyone. So this is not from a good life! Agree. hi
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 4 August 2020 09: 04
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          Bashkirkhan
          And school education was excellent. True, it is not clear why people with the correct Soviet education after the collapse of the union went en masse to give money to fortune-tellers, sorcerers, swindlers, MMM and other financial pyramids.
          With all due respect, let's not drag the owl over the globe. Education in the USSR was really advanced and the best minds then bought up the United States for money on the vine back in the late 80s and early 90s. There was something to lure, what is already there.
          But, the education was really advanced. You will not argue with the fact that now education not only in the Russian Federation, but throughout the world has fallen below the plinth.
          Well, the fact that people with Soviet education fell for Kashpirovsky, Chumak, chewing gum and jeans, this is more likely not to form a claim, but to ideology. We are all used to believing the newspaper Pravda or Moskovsky Komsomolets, Channel One and the radio, we were taught to do this. But, we were not prepared for the fact that those whom we believed without looking back would suddenly change their clothes in the air and begin to sing in the wrong tune. Therefore, they believed by inertia, until a certain time. Enlightenment came much later, when those who "did not fit into the market" began to die out en masse. But again, at the moment of enlightenment it was already too late, we all "fell in love" on a massive scale, and indiscriminately, both smart and not very smart.
          So there is no need to sing a liberal song about the fact that the USSR had a poor education, since the whole people did not have enough brains. The people had enough brains, the referendum for the preservation of the USSR is a confirmation of this, but only who and when from those in power that people asked ... request
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 4 August 2020 13: 17
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Well, the fact that people with Soviet education fell for Kashpirovsky, Chumak, chewing gum and jeans, this is more likely not to form a claim, but to ideology. We are all used to believing the newspaper Pravda or Moskovsky Komsomolets, Channel One and the radio, we were taught to do this.

            They just didn't teach me to think with my own head instead of believing, they didn't teach me how to think critically, there was an elementary lack of common sense. By the way, the Yeltsin clan did not particularly care about maintaining patriotism and, accordingly, ideology, because, once in power, it was hard to imagine what would happen tomorrow. And the masses were then quite excited without any external stimuli, because democracy and glasnost looked like militants in a video after decades of listening to the radio.
        3. Undecim
          Undecim 4 August 2020 13: 37
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          And school education was excellent.
          Somehow everyone forgets that in the USSR not all schoolchildren were excellent students. A maximum of 20% came out of school as "educated at height". The rest - "C grade", did not differ from the current "USE victims".
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 4 August 2020 14: 21
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            Less, as I understand it, are Soviet C grade students, or Soviet excellent students, but burdened with severe sclerosis.
          2. Alf
            Alf 4 August 2020 16: 34
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            Quote: Undecim
            A maximum of 20% left school "educated at height".

            Have you forgotten about the Horoshists?
            Quote: Undecim
            The rest - "C grade", did not differ from the current "USE victims".

            You are not entirely correct. In Soviet times, a C grade student is one who was lazy to study, and the current victim of the Unified State Exam is someone who is not going to study in principle.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 4 August 2020 16: 47
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              Have you forgotten about the Horoshists?
              Did not forget. They are 20 percent.
              In Soviet times, a C grade student is one who was lazy to study
              Or he studied according to his abilities.
            2. Digital error
              Digital error 4 August 2020 23: 14
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              Quote: Alf
              Critical is the one

              Under Stalin, three points meant "mediocre", later - "satisfactory." Do you feel the difference? Themselves lowered the bar. And then one more time. And further. And now "remote control" is on the way.
          3. Doliva63
            Doliva63 4 August 2020 18: 24
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            Quote: Undecim
            And school education was excellent.
            Somehow everyone forgets that in the USSR not all schoolchildren were excellent students. A maximum of 20% came out of school as "educated at height". The rest - "C grade", did not differ from the current "USE victims".

            Yes, there were probably about 50% of C grade students. But they were worth another excellent student in the exam laughing I'm up to 6 grade. I finished the year with a diploma or a diploma, I don’t remember, for one "five" in all subjects (I was forgiven for a little non-statutory work), and then I just got tired of school, I was drawn to the street, to nature. Graduated with a C grade. Walked up, remembered school, entered the Higher Educational Institution - the class teacher for a long time could not believe that I was capable of this laughing Unfortunately, there were not so many real teachers among school teachers. Especially after the mid-70s.
          4. Roman123567
            Roman123567 5 August 2020 12: 54
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            A maximum of 20% left school "educated at height"

            Isn't that enough ?? I think it's a decent backbone !!
            Now, of course, you still have to try to meet a person without a diploma of higher education .. Only to the point ..
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 4 August 2020 08: 20
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        Quote: Stas157
        There was no need to artificially pump up this topic in the USSR.

        If we don't educate our children, then our enemies are. Do you remember: an october, a pioneer, a Komsomol member? Are these and similar pictures an educational process (pumping)?



        Our great-grandfathers in 1917 achieved an 8-hour working time. Stalin dreamed of 5-6 hours. All this was aimed at giving parents more time for self-education and raising children. Capitalism only needs biorobots. The bourgeois teach their children abroad, realizing that here they will not give a child anything good, and the bourgeois are smaller - in private schools ... Parents work in 12, and with the road and all 16 hours a day. They simply don’t have time for upbringing ... Children are left to themselves. The policy of TV channels is aimed at developing base instincts - only to satisfy their own needs ... You already know all this.

        You can ask children to teach, or you can answer their questions. The latter is the most effective. Remember how the children pestered us with questions and we had to answer all of them. This is a natural way of knowing. With distance learning, effective learning is not possible without this.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 4 August 2020 09: 09
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          Quote: Boris55
          If we don't educate our children, then our enemies are.

          And is he a patriot who associated the USSR economy with galoshes? How did the younger generation perceive this statement?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 4 August 2020 09: 12
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            Quote: WIKI
            And is he a patriot who associated the USSR economy with galoshes?

            Galoshes are the result of the destruction of the Stalinist economy by Khrushchev's slush, Brezhnev's degradation (otherwise, where do galoshes come from) and Gorbachev's shootout.
            1. dauria
              dauria 4 August 2020 10: 03
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              Brezhnev degradation

              Ay yes Boris. Either you admire Kamaz and Zhiguli, praise Sukhoi's planes. Either Brezhnev has degradation. Most factories, tanks, boats, power plants, aircraft and missiles were made at that time. Such "stagnation" was
              that the United States by the 80th year said - "Everything, guys, this is parity, these Russians caught up with us"
              The 70s was a time when the front-line soldiers were still in command, there were still enough of them everywhere. But since the 80s they have gone en masse. And those who came came.
              1. Grading
                Grading 4 August 2020 17: 42
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                The hallmark of a real patriot is quick change of shoes on the fly
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 4 August 2020 21: 52
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                Quote: dauria
                The 70s was a time when the front-line soldiers were still in command, there were still enough of them everywhere. But since the 80s they have gone en masse. And those who came came.
                Those who were brought up by "developed socialism" came. It is necessary to agree: it was not because of the hillock that they arrived under the guise of real communists - they donned it from school.
            2. tatra
              tatra 4 August 2020 12: 23
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              The "galoshes" of the benefactor of those who, in the degraded, impoverished in comparison with the RSFSR, with the dying out Russian people, "post-Soviet Russia and now better than in the USSR" are theirs, and their ideology of Yeltsin-Putin power is both a slander against the USSR, and a cowardly dumping on the supporters of the USSR of guilt and responsibility for what their external and internal enemies have done in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods.
            3. Alf
              Alf 4 August 2020 13: 03
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              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: WIKI
              And is he a patriot who associated the USSR economy with galoshes?

              Galoshes are the result of the destruction of the Stalinist economy by Khrushchev's slush, Brezhnev's degradation (otherwise, where do galoshes come from) and Gorbachev's shootout.

              Don't jump off the topic. Again you have everything as before ...
          2. trophy
            trophy 4 August 2020 13: 58
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            Upbringing and statements. Well, not those books a person read in childhood.
          3. Doliva63
            Doliva63 4 August 2020 18: 28
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            Quote: WIKI
            Quote: Boris55
            If we don't educate our children, then our enemies are.

            And is he a patriot who associated the USSR economy with galoshes? How did the younger generation perceive this statement?

            Of course, he is a patriot of the Russian capitalist construction. laughing
          4. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 4 August 2020 19: 38
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            Quote: WIKI
            And is he a patriot who associated the USSR economy with galoshes? How did the younger generation perceive this statement?

            And who is this man? wink
            Or are you talking about the president's statement cut off at the most interesting place? So it is necessary to watch the full version, and not selectively citing it by all sorts of propagandists ...
            VVP then said the pure truth: our ancestors built an excellent defense industry and space. But with domestic consumer goods in the USSR there was a complete fifth point.
            Yes, my dear, yes. No need to discuss. The fact is that what we produced (and we don’t have to wave our hands), nobody needed, because nobody bought our galoshes, except for the Africans, who had to walk on the hot sand. That is the whole point.

            At this point, the Putin lovers usually cut off the speech of the GDP. But in vain. Here's what the president said next:
            We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.

            From the audience: ... And the first satellite.

            Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.

            But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.

            And as a person born in 1973, I can confirm this, because I saw these consumer goods with my own eyes, wore them and used them. As I already wrote, our family was very lucky that our mother sewed and knitted - it was possible to wear at least something decent. And the electrician and electronics in the family worked through the efforts of an engineer father, who knew what and where to get it, and how to bring it to mind. Because "out of the box" it usually refused to work normally.
            1. WIKI
              WIKI 13 August 2020 19: 02
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              Quote: Alexey RA
              The people know what was and what was not.

              As a person born in 1955, living in a village, he earned money on a h / w TV "Record" in 1970 by his labor. Which others have had since 1967. My brother, a cousin, had a Dina tape recorder. They did not go without clothes and shoes. I played hockey on skates with boots. I did not wear rubber galoshes. Considering that my father was a peasant - an individual farmer (consider an outcast) and was not a member of a collective farm, they lived like everyone else. His comparison of the economy of the USSR with galoshes, over the years is seen as a mockery of himself. During his reign, where has our industry advanced. “Now“ it’s stupid to say that there is serial microelectronic production in Russia. ”Recalling that 30 years ago, the USSR supplied the simplest electronics to China, he also complained that after thoughtless privatization, production was ruined.“ We are even absent in the world statistics ”- Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov The people know what has become.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 13 August 2020 19: 13
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                Quote: WIKI
                His comparison of the economy of the USSR with galoshes, over the years, is seen as a mockery of himself.

                Once again, where exactly does Putin compare the entire economy of the USSR with galoshes?
                One specific sector of the economy was compared with galoshes - consumer goods. But the defense industry and the space industry were rated very highly by the GDP.
                And I remember very well about Soviet televisions and tape recorders - for the first month they stood on the table at my father's, who brought the purchased goods to mind. I perfectly remember the boards of the first Soviet cassette player that appeared with us - with tin snot and long, unbite legs (you could scratch wool with such a board). And colored "Electronics" with a barrel of an electrolytic capacitor tied at the back - otherwise it would refuse to work, but it would not climb into the case. And I remember my own surprise from the Sanyo two-cassette recorder, when it suddenly turned out that when recording on a cassette, you do not need to turn off the refrigerator and ask not to turn on the light - power surges do not go to the head and do not hit the tape in the form of clicks, like in a domestic cassette player (after which ZX Spectrum does not read the program).
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 13 August 2020 19: 22
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                  It was, girls, it was ... laughing
                  I remember I had to rewrite a couple of cassettes from a reel to a reel. I left for a distant room, where the wiring of the electric network did not intersect with the refrigerator.
                  But my parents came, unexpectedly out of the blue, turned on the light in the hallway, and to ask me why I was quiet here ...
                  In general, at the disco, the phonogram went on with clicks.
                2. WIKI
                  WIKI 14 August 2020 20: 08
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                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Once again, where exactly does Putin compare the entire economy of the USSR with galoshes?

                  When the head of the country points out the shortcomings of his predecessors, it means that he is not just talking with his tongue, but sets the task of eliminating them. How he coped with this, I gave you the words of Yuri Borisov. The result went into negative territory. Or, as our liberals say, we have "negative growth." Even rubber galoshes do not pull. In your memories, you completely forgot about toilet paper. The economy was geared towards satisfying vital needs. Free medicine, education, housing, recreation. 1983-1985 per 10 thousand population. The number of apartments built: USSR 000 FRG 75 USA 51. Number of students in the USSR 71 USA 181 FRG 253 .Number of doctors in the USSR 138 USA 43 FRG 26. The number of hospital beds in the USSR 30 USA 130 FRG 55. You ask today's youth if they are ready to use a free apartment just a newspaper in the toilet? There will be no end to those who wish. Your emotional memories are like the whim of a child given a candy without a wrapper.
      4. Hagen
        Hagen 4 August 2020 08: 48
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        Quote: Stas157
        There was no need to artificially pump up this topic in the USSR. After all, every student knew that we were the first in everything. In space, in sports, in science ... and the industry gave the most coal and steel.

        Yes. At the same time, every schoolchild knew that mom was looking for (pulls out "from under the floor") Finnish boots and Italian shoes, dad - a Japanese or German camera, himself - a player or tape recorder with a European name, American jeans and chewing gum, and when he saw a Mercedes everyone's drooling at once. And during the development of the northern and eastern regions of the country, Katharpillers and Komatsu were shown on TV. It would be more honest not to mythologize the Soviet past, but to look at it soberly and sensibly. Socialism, as an idea and model of the country's economic structure, is hardly possible in the next 100 years. Therefore, as an average person, a citizen of a country is not ready to prioritize the spiritual over the material. The USSR stumbled on this. Note that here, on VO, it is the material aspect of human life that is being discussed more, and it is material topics that collect the largest and most active forums. This is neither bad nor good. These are just realities of life. We are not ready for socialism today psychologically, and we will hardly be ready for it tomorrow. Too strong in us (in most cases) possessive claims and instincts ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 4 August 2020 10: 52
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          Quote: Hagen
          In this case, every schoolboy knew that my mother was looking for (pulls out "from under the floor") Finnish boots and Italian shoes

          Not every. Because not every mother was a fiddler chasing imported boots. Most of them wore good-quality leather Soviet shoes. And now alone import and leatherette. And everyone is chasing discounts.

          Quote: Hagen
          dad - Japanese or German camera

          I don't know anyone who would have had a Japanese or German camera then. Naturally, therefore, they were not chased after. All had Zenits and Smena. I had Zorkiy-4, an excellent camera with good optics. It is now no cameras are produced in Russia. Everybody buys Japanese.

          Quote: Hagen
          tape recorder with a European name

          Is this Sharp and Panasonic or what? So it's Japanese. There was also Grundik, but that was the radio. And now what? Maybe there are some Russian ones, can you tell me? And then there were! Before throwing a stone in the USSR, look around, even the galoshes are already imported.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 4 August 2020 11: 03
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            Quote: Stas157
            Because not every mother was a fentiflush

            Can you show me the place where the Italian shoes were not in demand in the store, the Soviet bots went to grab? The entire USSR was chasing imports. In any case, in the late 60s, definitely.
            Quote: Stas157
            All had Zenits and Smena.

            Because not everyone had enough Rolliflexes or Pentacons.
            Quote: Stas157
            Is this Sharp and Panasonic or what? So it's Japanese.

            In general, the country of production does not play a role, the main thing is that they took Japanese or Dutch with more pleasure than a note or a chord. And it worked longer and better. Will you argue with that too? Kok watched how Russia-001 was invented in Chelyabinsk. They ripped off the design from foreign samples, like the Chinese today! Laughter on a stick ...
            Quote: Stas157
            Can you tell me what Russian ones there are?

            Why would you? Have you changed hands? Maybe yes, for even more curves laughing
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 4 August 2020 11: 12
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              Quote: Hagen
              Can you show me the place, in which the Italian shoes were not in demand in the store, were the Soviet bots leaving for grab? The entire USSR was chasing imports.

              No problem. Whoever needed an import could buy it completely freely at a commission shop, at a flea market and in Berezka. They were chasing to snatch a cheap price in simple stores without extra charges. Well, and now they are chasing discounts! Not? Did you see the crowds at Sportmaster during the discount period?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 4 August 2020 11: 46
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                Quote: Stas157
                No problem. Whoever needed imports could buy them completely freely in a commission store, at a flea market and in Berezka

                Yes! At the flea market !! Shoes with imported fungus from someone else's feet with worn out heels ?! No, you will save it for yourself. And there are very few Berezoks behind the ring road. Muscovites do not understand this, their country ends with the Moscow Ring Road. laughing
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 4 August 2020 11: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Hagen
                  with worn out heels ?!

                  They actually sold new ones there.
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 4 August 2020 12: 32
                    -4
                    Quote: Stas157
                    They actually sold new ones there.

                    Did you live in the USSR (not in Moscow) in the 60s and 70s, or did your neighbor sing?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 4 August 2020 13: 37
                      +5
                      Quote: Hagen
                      the neighbor sang?

                      Do you know such a word as farmers? They traded at flea markets too. An exceptionally new imported product. With all labels!

                      P.S. Now the young generation does not know many of the words of that time. For example, the other day the radio presenter on the music radio made an explanation about the famous song "The girl in the machine is crying". Say, the girl is crying not in a car with an automatic transmission, as everyone thinks, but in a telephone booth, which for some reason was called so then!))
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 4 August 2020 14: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Do you know such a word as farmers?

                        The Fartsa had exorbitant prices. I remember the Beatles "white album" they sold for 120 rubles. Do you know why? Because at the party Olympus they decided that it was not worth aprèlevka to release this crap for 3-50, and the hard worker would grind without the Beatles. And this artificial deficit was created by the same Soviet power. But the April plant could make a profit, but the bonzes didn't give a damn about it. And so in all directions. A car is a luxury, foreign singers are an ideological sabotage (otherwise someone with a Soviet education could make out the English language from a song ... The whole country learned a foreign language in the world's best educational system, and in five years it was too hard !!!! ). Tell about rubber galoshes? They were fashionable and popular, because in the village they never heard of asphalt. At this time, in some Holland (in the "movie travel club" - remember this program on Sundays?), Women living from agriculture walked around their villages in high heels. You have already forgotten what the Soviet Union looked like in real life (if you lived in its years at a conscious age). I still remember something. I remember how electricity was brought to a village near Tambov in 75. We started watching TV there too (in normal weather). At the same time, I remember my childhood sunny and joyful, even though the cattle had to cut the grass, and collect beetles from potatoes, and chop alder branches for the sheep (in 74 there was a drought and all the grass burned out). It was somehow fun in the evening to drive a bike through the overgrown silage pits. No need to hide your head in the sand and write another old testament about the USSR. There were a lot of things and in very different ways.
                      2. Alexey RA
                        Alexey RA 5 August 2020 10: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Do you know such a word as farmers? They traded at flea markets too. An exceptionally new imported product. With all labels!

                        That is, as an advantage of the Soviet system is the ability to break the law by buying things from under the floor from an illegal merchant in a "gallery" or "aprashka"? belay
                      3. Stas157
                        Stas157 5 August 2020 14: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        That is, as benefits

                        And where did I write about the "advantages"? I pointed out that there was such an opportunity. And that's all, if anyone itches. But, the overwhelming number of people did not buy the farmers have nothing. My father (an engineer in the military) brought the deficit from business trips to military camps. The whole family had real jeans (not the same as now) brought by them from somewhere in the North.

                        The topic of scarcity is a painful one for the USSR. Nobody liked her then. But this does not mean that the concepts of deficit and the socialist system are equal. It could be easily solved, for example, with the help of a cooperative store. The same sausage in the co-shop was sold completely freely, without any queues. Naturally at a higher price.

                        But this is the simplest solution (increase the price). More difficult is to increase the supply of scarce goods. But the old Politburo did not bother much with this (they solved issues of a universal scale, while they themselves did not experience a shortage of anything).
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 5 August 2020 20: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        But this does not mean that the concepts of deficit and the socialist system are equal. It could be easily solved, for example, with the help of a cooperative store.

                        It was possible to decide, but did not decide. And the socialist system performed by the USSR in the variation of the 70s and 80s is a deficit in a wide range of goods.
                      5. Stas157
                        Stas157 6 August 2020 15: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        the socialist system performed by the USSR in the variation of the 70-80s is shortage for a wide range of goods.

                        The problem is pricing. Put now a cheap fixed price for any product and the notorious shortage will immediately appear. For example (see picture), in 2000 there was no deficit in anything. And the consumption of many products per capita was much lower than in the USSR! But where would you like to be? Where there is no shortage, but life is hungry or where there is a shortage, but life is satisfying and abundant (albeit with queues)?


                        Any scarcity problem is easily removed by floating (market price). Soviet co-traders have clearly demonstrated this.
          2. Roman123567
            Roman123567 5 August 2020 12: 59
            -2
            with an imported fungus from someone else's legs with worn out heels ?! No, you will save it for yourself.

            And now second-hand goods don't bother anyone ..))
      5. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 4 August 2020 11: 28
        +9
        Indicate where Russian goods are traded today! In what stores and on what sites! If in Russia today everything is so good with Russian goods, then where are the tricolor badges with the inscription ** Goods made in Russia **? Why are we ashamed to put the manufacturer's country mark on our products? Why do we glue the inscriptions ** Made in China ** and glue them * Made at a factory in the Moscow region **! You rip off the sticker and you see the mark ** Made in China **! And why did Auto GAZ get feverish when the import of imports was slowed down? We have everything of our own ?! Or not everything? What was there with the planes? After all, it seems like everything yourself? And what about Vladimir Monomakh? Is it all ours too? Why don't we consume oil and gas ourselves, but we strive to sell everything?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 4 August 2020 12: 34
          -5
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Why don't we consume oil and gas ourselves?

          Exactly, we are not consuming? wassat In general, the conversation began about the USSR and about what all schoolchildren of the USSR knew. Why are you slipping off the topic?
    2. Van 16
      Van 16 4 August 2020 12: 08
      +8
      In 70 some year, on vacation on a collective farm, I earned some money, bought a Leningrad guitar and a Note 303 prefix for my salary. Then there was a Kometa tape recorder, Melody and Radiotekhnika players, an Amfiton amplifier, s90 speakers, everything plowed, be healthy, the frequencies are very even. The Japanese were even worse.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 August 2020 09: 59
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      Not every. Because not every mother was a fiddler chasing imported boots.

      You know, often buying imported shoes was not a pursuit of fashion, but a matter of survival. Because the products of the same "Skorokhod" could be tortured - I don't know who they made the pads from and how they made the shoes so that they practically did not wear out. smile
  2. Stas157
    Stas157 4 August 2020 11: 04
    +7
    Quote: Hagen
    We are not ready for socialism today psychologically

    You are. And you will never be ready. But not about you.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 August 2020 11: 29
      -7
      Quote: Stas157
      You are. And you will never be ready. But not about you.

      Are you ready? So that socialism already done before you was slammed !!! laughing
  3. Doliva63
    Doliva63 4 August 2020 18: 34
    +1
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Stas157
    There was no need to artificially pump up this topic in the USSR. After all, every student knew that we were the first in everything. In space, in sports, in science ... and the industry gave the most coal and steel.

    Yes. At the same time, every schoolchild knew that mom was looking for (pulls out "from under the floor") Finnish boots and Italian shoes, dad - a Japanese or German camera, himself - a player or tape recorder with a European name, American jeans and chewing gum, and when he saw a Mercedes everyone's drooling at once. And during the development of the northern and eastern regions of the country, Katharpillers and Komatsu were shown on TV. It would be more honest not to mythologize the Soviet past, but to look at it soberly and sensibly. Socialism, as an idea and model of the country's economic structure, is hardly possible in the next 100 years. Therefore, as an average person, a citizen of a country is not ready to prioritize the spiritual over the material. The USSR stumbled on this. Note that here, on VO, it is the material aspect of human life that is being discussed more, and it is material topics that collect the largest and most active forums. This is neither bad nor good. These are just realities of life. We are not ready for socialism today psychologically, and we will hardly be ready for it tomorrow. Too strong in us (in most cases) possessive claims and instincts ...

    You judge this by what you have seen. Since the late 70s, this has been approximately the case. But you didn't see the 60s - it was completely different. Believe it or not, then people emigrated from the West to the Union! laughing Judging the Union by the time of its destruction is stupid. We must judge by the peak of possibilities. They were huge for the Union.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 August 2020 19: 28
      -3
      Quote: Doliva63
      We must judge by the peak of possibilities. They were huge for the Union.

      Well, where did they go, these opportunities? All the steam - in a whistle ... Stalin left the USSR with 2,5 thousand tons of gold. That's how much it was enough, so much the USSR and lived. That's all the power, unfortunately ...
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 4 August 2020 20: 15
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: Doliva63
        We must judge by the peak of possibilities. They were huge for the Union.

        Well, where did they go, these opportunities? All the steam - in a whistle ... Stalin left the USSR with 2,5 thousand tons of gold. That's how much it was enough, so much the USSR and lived. That's all the power, unfortunately ...

        Why are you asking me this? I had a completely different responsibility then - to enjoy a happy childhood. I only went to school in 69.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 4 August 2020 20: 19
          -2
          Quote: Doliva63
          Why are you asking me about this?

          Excuse me. I naively assumed that you know what you are writing ...
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 4 August 2020 20: 34
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            Quote: Doliva63
            Why are you asking me about this?

            Excuse me. I naively assumed that you know what you are writing ...

            I know, but I am in no way responsible for what happened.
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  • Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 August 2020 07: 28
    11
    What's wrong with the article? "We don't need the clever, we need the faithful and ..." ("It's hard to be God," Strugatsky brothers ").
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 August 2020 09: 12
      +4
      From the classrooms came the buzzing of voices, choral shouts. “Who is the king? Bright majesty. Who are the ministers? Faithful, not knowing doubts ... "," ... And God, our creator, said: "I will curse." And he cursed ... "," ... And if the horn trumpets twice, crumble in two as if in a chain, lowering the peaks ... "

      School, Rumata thought. The nest of wisdom. The pillar of culture ...
      © from the same place
  • Far B
    Far B 4 August 2020 05: 38
    34
    in recent years, the parental community is increasingly dissatisfied with the level of education in schools
    Is the parent community unhappy? After all the post-Soviet reforms, it turned out that schools should not educate. The school shouldn't even teach. The school must teach subjects. If before there were teachersThat taught, then now - teachersThat teach... The teacher felt a certain responsibility for himself - he had to teach... The teachers do not have such a responsibility - I taught, and there at least the grass does not grow. The student will take what he was taught - good. If he won’t take it - well, what can you do. Therefore, teachers have always been respected. The attitude towards teachers is, to put it mildly, different.
    And it is difficult to imagine the process of education in today's school, when a half-poor teacher will instill moral values ​​in some majors who have more pocket money here and now than a teacher earns a month. Don't touch your finger, don't say a harsh word ... Makarenko is spinning in a coffin.
    1. Far B
      Far B 4 August 2020 06: 16
      33
      It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school, it is time to accept and understand. It was good with propaganda and brainwashing. Suffice it to recall how long May 9 was not an official holiday in the USSR. The Soviet system was not bad for the semblance of a socialist system. As soon as the Soviet Union collapsed, the country “depressurized”, a whole generation found itself without “self-determination and socialization,” as they say in modern laws. You can just look at the bacchanalia that took place in the early 90s to understand what kind of "educated" were released from schools
      There is an elder in the garden, in Kiev there is an uncle. How is the official celebration of May 9 sided with school education? About "It was not good with the upbringing in the Soviet school" - it was quite normal. Bacchanalia of the 90s - is school education to blame for it? As for me, it is the fault of a bunch of hoopoes who seized power and plunged the country into the chaos of wild capitalism, and people - on the brink of survival. When a person is faced with the question of survival, it is difficult to remain a highly spiritual person - you try to survive as best you can. At the same time, most of the population did not get sick, did not take the path of crime, despite all the propaganda brainwashing - to remind how it happened in the late 80s - early 90s? and this already suggests that the educational work in the Soviet school was carried out quite efficiently. But what far to go - the author himself did not drink / smoked / stuck in the 90s. He writes, here, articles, considers himself a morally stable person. And what - in his opinion, other graduates of Soviet schools are less morally stable, or what? And with regards to "It was good with propaganda and brainwashing" - here again a finger in the sky. With this, it was just sad enough, since the collapse of the country was allowed.
      In addition to the high-profile case of a boy from Novy Urengoy
      Ops. Has the boy been prosecuted?
      Schoolchildren are taken to screenings of films with understandable patriotic overtones
      What are these, for example? Ssytadel and Odmeral? Yes, there is a wave of patriotism ...
      "Sample education program"
      Advertising?
      To summarize: the article is as dull and graceless as the entire system of current Russian education. Sing and bury.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 4 August 2020 07: 00
        +5
        As for me, the school is increasingly distancing itself from its direct responsibilities: teaching and upbringing.
        Other formulations, ornate phrases are invented, but it all comes down to a banal we don't owe you anything!
        Life example:
        At friends, families of workers with a "floating" work schedule, the son also attended an extended program from the very beginning of school. And so, when he was in the fourth or fifth grade, they played out strongly on this extension, and at the next moment the bust (like Chekhov) became the object of pampering. They began to dress him, or something ...
        The teacher came in and saw. Scandal. Let's call the parents to school.
        The head of the family did not pass up. He came and asked directly:
        what are the claims to the family? (The child, by the way, is happy. Good boy). The general behavior of the guy is normal - he greets the elders, does not offend girls, and so on.
        But why does the school not pay attention to education within its walls? There are no busts at home and no one taught to play with them, where was the on-duty teacher for the extended program at that moment?
        And after the question "to whom can I complain about the school"? the teachers quieted down, turned on the "back", let's smooth out the situation and "hushed up" everything ...
        1. Far B
          Far B 4 August 2020 07: 09
          17
          school is increasingly distancing itself
          Yes, I would not say that the school is distancing itself. Rather, it is being artificially pushed back. It is understandable if from the very top there are statements like: "Our task is to bring up the ideal consumer." Fuck the ideal consumer, sobsno, education (and education, for that matter). State policy, where can you get away from it. As the Yankees say, it's nothing personal, just business.
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 4 August 2020 08: 08
          +6
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And after the question "to whom can I complain about the school"? the teachers quieted down, turned on the "back", let's smooth out the situation and "hushed up" everything ...

          Well, what kind of upbringing by school are we talking about, if parents are more likely to complain about the teacher or the whole school than they will make a suggestion to their offspring for inappropriate behavior? It is clear that the next time it will be easier for the teacher to close his eyes to some of the students' antics, than to fight back from the stream of counter claims later. Well, in the meantime, "good prosperous boys" (and girls), step by step, continue to push the boundaries of what is permitted, even if they do not forget to say hello and address their elders with "you" ...
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 4 August 2020 13: 24
        +5
        Quote: Dalny V
        To summarize: the article is as dull and graceless as the entire system of current Russian education. Sing and bury.

        Better not tell. good
        But under the current system it is difficult to expect anything else, you must agree. All current patriotism boils down to defending the "conquests" of the capitalist system and the power formed in it, and this is normal for any power and state, otherwise it would have been a parade of sovereignty as in the 90s. But what kind of system is patriotism. Profiting some by exploiting and robbing others, is this our new national idea, is this our new patriotism?
        Another thing is surprising. The search for external enemies in a state that has abandoned the world's first national system and has adopted a global ideology of individualism and money-grubbing, which has ruined most of the legacy of Soviet "galoshes", looks strange to say the least. Where are the enemies, if our official ideology is identical to foreign partners, and foreign concessionaires, together with local capitalists, at the suggestion of this very government, have shares or fully own most of the enterprises of the former national heritage in key sectors of the country?
        In the same education. Is the Bologna education system imposed by the government as an "alternative" to Soviet education, is this our national choice or is it the choice of the system that came to power with the help of a coup in the 90s?
        Probably, according to the logic of the authorities, these acquired "values" should unite the people and cause a feeling of pride in the chosen path. lol
        1. Alf
          Alf 4 August 2020 16: 39
          +6
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          All current patriotism boils down to defending the "conquests" of the capitalist system and the power that has formed in it

  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 August 2020 06: 25
    14
    This is when each student will have a special approach, when different requirements are imposed on different children.
    ... With the existing social inequality, with the authority of the teacher lowered below the plinth and his salary ...
  • Ilshat
    Ilshat 4 August 2020 06: 26
    0
    The negative example of the Soviet Union has been forgotten to the campaign - the "voices" were also listened to out of a sense of disgust at the imposed ideology.
    1. dauria
      dauria 4 August 2020 18: 37
      0
      "voices" were also heard out of a feeling of disgust

      Don't bend it. "Golos" and "Deutsche Welle" broadcast on the HF band. It was difficult to catch anything there except Morse code, special messages and cod. The reception range increased at night (due to the properties of the ionospheric layer, as I later learned). And then nifiga-living foreigners !!! It’s interesting. Not the show itself - it's boring stuff in general. I saw a Negro for the first time at the age of 17, when I was traveling through Moscow.
      1. Ilshat
        Ilshat 4 August 2020 20: 12
        +1
        I didn't listen, seriously.
        And he even was for the State Emergency Committee.
        But, nevertheless, in spite of the boring, in your opinion, content, the voices, in comparison with the officialdom, enjoyed incomparable authority!
        I myself have heard from people more than once, like it was so. the voices said.

        And last year I saw a Negro (real) for the first time - we have a military school and blacks study there ...
  • Eug
    Eug 4 August 2020 06: 28
    +1
    Now teachers do not have the main lever of influence on negligent parents - treatment at the place of work. In Soviet times, it was rarely used - knowing about this possibility, parents were very attentive to the comments of teachers.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 4 August 2020 06: 39
    15
    As one of our teachers at the school said: blood, shit, sand and sugar! The author mixed everything in a heap, but in the end he could not formulate his thoughts clearly or was afraid ...
    But I didn't forget to spit on the Soviet past.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 August 2020 06: 39
    +9
    For some reason now they think that if a young man is dressed in a military uniform, he will become a real patriot. I don’t think that the pre-war USSR had enough money for such a thing. And nevertheless, in the future, young people showed themselves from the best side. Love for the fatherland consists of many. reasons. And the first is love for your land, for your family. If this is not, a person easily leaves his land, and then the country.
  • tatra
    tatra 4 August 2020 06: 42
    11
    It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school

    Well, what a patriot of post-Soviet Russia without blaming the Soviet. Anti-Sovietism is both the ideology and the history and culture of their country for those who captured Russia during Perestroika.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 August 2020 09: 07
      -5
      Quote: tatra
      Well, what a patriot of post-Soviet Russia without blaming the Soviet. Anti-Sovietism is both the ideology and history and culture of their country for those who seized Russia in Perestroika

      And you profiled the Soviet government, too, for patriotic reasons? Maybe you asked about the Soviet past of the soldiers of the 6th company? You are attaching anti-Sovietism to any negative event, to the place and not to the place. Isn't it time to calm down? You know as well as I do that full-blooded active anti-Sovietism originated primarily in the heads of the members of the Politburo and the Central Committee of the CPSU. Today we, present here, are looking for an opportunity to arrange the life of our families in the created conditions. There are no active participants in the destruction of the USSR. Why put manure on all the fans here?
  • tatra
    tatra 4 August 2020 06: 51
    13
    And now about the Victory Parade in Putin's Russia. If you remove the name, what will remain? The parade of the troops of the anti-Soviet government, the leader of the anti-Soviet Russia makes a speech that someone, it is not clear who, attacked Russia and the Russian people. Nothing related to the USSR.
    1. Alf
      Alf 4 August 2020 13: 08
      +6
      Quote: tatra
      The parade of the troops of the anti-Soviet government, the leader of the anti-Soviet Russia makes a speech that someone, it is not clear who, attacked Russia and the Russian people.

      And that the people by themselves, without leadership and management, gathered, went to war and won.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 4 August 2020 07: 13
    15
    It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school, it is time to accept and understand. It was good with propaganda and brainwashing ...

    Read, read and bam ... What's wrong?
    Just with the upbringing in the Soviet school, everything was decent. Very decent. The Russian school will never reach this level. Why? Yes, because the Russian school does not have a Soviet teacher who thought first of all about children, and only then about money, etc. Out of 4 new teachers in our school, 3 left within a year. They could not and did not want to teach .. Because it's hard.
    And with patriotism will be the same seams.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 4 August 2020 11: 48
      +4
      That's all right. But it can be supplemented. What is patriotism by modern standards? What to teach? A patriot is the one who takes out all the loot and relatives outside of Russia? Then whom and from whom to protect if the citizens left for the attacked country? Is it a patriot who does not develop his science and industry, but goes to work there? Is it a patriot who considers the products of his country to be very bad and does not contribute to improving its quality? Is it a patriot who thinks that a place with sausage and toilet paper is a good place? Patriots who left Russia after the revolution? And those who served in the White Army or Vlasov's army? And those who, besides Russian, have other citizenship? Who are those registered offshore? Who are the rogues who should be separate from the right people? Who are those who recommend to live on macaroshki and answer that the state did not ask to give birth?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 August 2020 07: 16
    14
    A scared teacher should become an opponent of the Internet and TV with their awesome budgets, having brochures of "specialists" from education, frostbitten children of frostbitten parents and a fig from the state in a wallet? Well, good luck.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 4 August 2020 07: 33
    10
    A young mom or dad, they buy their 1-2 year old child a tablet, so as not to interfere. to shout less. then, at best, they will be sent to some kind of circle or section. After school with a child, parents do not work, mom only has enough strength to cook to eat, dad is at work for days. The child freezes in the computer. He doesn't even climb out into the street. The family does not teach the child, does not educate. What has the school to do with it? A child spends 4-6 hours at school, at home, in a family for 18-20 hours, plus weekends and vacations, 80-90% of his time, and the school is to blame. A different young mother will not sing a lullaby to her child.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 August 2020 07: 41
    11
    The article is about patriotism, and the colors of the star are red-white-blue, similar to the Dutch flag.
  • Varyag71
    Varyag71 4 August 2020 07: 42
    11
    After the words It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school, it is time to accept and understand. It was good with propaganda and brainwashing did not read further. Everything about this dimwitted hack is clear.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 5 August 2020 10: 40
      +1
      That's good. They washed them out of various nasty things. Now, on the contrary, they hammer into the heads of the cubs all ... it. And the upbringing was excellent. Matyukanulsya in the yard - a neighbor behind the ear and up to mother. The mother will explain in a raised voice what is good and what is bad. In the evening, the "higher instance" court. Father will listen to mother and then there are options. Or a repeated explanation that I am wrong, or methods of light physical influence based on the contact of a strip of treated bull skin and the skin of a young fool that has not yet been hardened. yes Such is the upbringing. Although the options were different. And at school, polishing is based on good books and sincere conversations. In general, it's a sin to complain.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 August 2020 07: 43
    +6
    And more about the patriots.
    https://arctus.livejournal.com/1295999.html
    the article is called the prosecutor legalized the grave of the unknown fascist.
  • Avior
    Avior 4 August 2020 07: 49
    +4
    A difficult task for a teacher.
    The Soviet teacher brought up on Soviet examples and opposed them to the bourgeois and autocratic ones.
    And now a teacher in a virtually bourgeois country, it turns out, must educate on the autocratic and Soviet.
    The bourgeois period was short in 1917, but somehow it is not customary to educate on its examples.
  • Octopus
    Octopus 4 August 2020 08: 12
    10
    )))
    The author is not quite in context.

    Now the school has no pupils. There is learners (in fact, this word is also used in the definition of patriotic education). That is, people who receive training services. For modern (well, as modern, not the first ten years) leaders of education, the school is something like "Pyaterochka", where the student comes, takes all kinds of training from the shelves and leaves.

    And so the patriotic community, represented by a variety of parasites, took care education... What is "education" with this approach to school? This is the question "Do you collect stickers?" at the checkout.
    - No.
    - Take, please, from us, we distribute to everyone.

    Where it leads? Besides, patriotic stickers will remain, at best, in the nearest trash can (at worst, on the floor). But the patriotic community in the face of the best people does not care about that - the main thing for them is to crow.
  • Million
    Million 4 August 2020 08: 12
    11
    Patriotism is like vodka. When there is not much of it, then euphoria sets in, but when you drink a terrible hangover ... I'm already sick of the current surrogate.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 4 August 2020 08: 20
    +6
    They're preparing a big rubber enema again to try to brainwash the kids since school.
    Probably, they consider it necessary because their policy to improve demography and long-term living standards is stalled - and a change in loyal protection of the interests of capitalists will be needed in 20 years.
    So they will pump a team of noodles into the head - and about the precepts of the ancestors and about the rotten west and about the wise party, and about the army that swayed all the wickets, everyone has already passed, nothing new is needed.

    Raising children must be done by yourself, so that someone's furry paw does not reach this.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 4 August 2020 09: 01
    0
    For comparison, read history textbooks from the 90s and early 2000s.
    I studied in the 90s, all our history textbooks were from the times of the USSR, as well as most of the other textbooks. Because the state did not have money to provide schools with new textbooks. The city of St. Petersburg if that. As for the early 2000s, there are doubts about their strong difference from the early 2010s. Well, maybe they added about Putin. The Yeltsin Center was not built in the 90s or early 2000s there.
  • Million
    Million 4 August 2020 09: 17
    +3
    Patriotism is the mutual love of the citizen and the state.
    Is there such reciprocity in Russia today?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 August 2020 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: Million
      Patriotism is the mutual love of the citizen and the state.
      Is there such reciprocity in Russia today?

      Yeah, BDSM is called laughing
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 4 August 2020 09: 18
    11
    And who will teach patriotism?
    Probably the director of the school will tell you what kind of patriot you should be?
    Who, at the same time, travels abroad on vacation 3 times a year, handing out "instructions" to teachers, how much to collect black cash from parents "to the school fund", how much to collect from parents of first-graders to get into a "prestigious class"?
    Who deserves to teach patriotism here?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 4 August 2020 09: 48
    +1
    But are there still in schools or where are those who have the moral right to educate, and do they know how ???
    You can't do that by a piece of paper, by random order.
    You will have to start not even from scratch, but with a big minus.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 4 August 2020 09: 49
    +4
    It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school, it is time to accept and understand. It was good with propaganda and brainwashing
    author ... YOU (exactly YOU after such statements) studied at the Soviet school yourself? Or, if he studied, he made a conclusion on the one in which he studied. And ... then EVERYTHING was bad on this basis ??? !!! Apparently the author has not yet grown out of the stage of youthful maximalism, that is, he has not matured !!!
  • Van 16
    Van 16 4 August 2020 09: 52
    +9
    Everything was normal in the Soviet school with education. Until now, we are meeting with the teachers, congratulations on the holidays. Not all of them are alive, unfortunately, many have already left.
    And we also went to films, to "Only Old Men Go to Battle," "Atybats, Soldiers Went," "Remember Your Name", etc.
    And the system "Octobrist - pioneer - Komsomolets" worked very well.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 4 August 2020 09: 52
    +8
    A patriot is the one who, behind the façade of the irreplaceable "national leader" and the ministers of the "fur stores", sees a picture of the exorbitant enrichment of individuals at the expense of the impoverishment of millions.

    A patriot is one who does not close his eyes to corruption, the next governor appointed "for the principality".

    A patriot is the one who will explain to children that it is not necessary to harness the interests of the oligarchs submitted under a beautiful slogan, but rather help a neighbor, do charity work or be a volunteer, as many did during an epidemic - this is worthy of a citizen and a patriot.

    What have I done as a patriot of Russia?
    For many years, if possible, we have been helping a charitable society that deals with the problem of abandoned children and single mothers in difficult life situations - we help with specific things - from the office for schoolchildren, to food, gifts for children in the New Year.
    We have millions of people in our country who can barely make ends meet while aligarhat is spent on yachts.
  • AB
    AB 4 August 2020 09: 58
    +6
    In many ways, the Russian school was supposed to become an analogue of Western educational institutions with their high level of individual freedom.

    This has already been done in higher education. We got a bunch of ignoramuses.
  • polar fox
    polar fox 4 August 2020 10: 25
    +6
    oha ... they are raising patriots ... they will be given a uniform for May 9th. they will be piled up in formation and ... there is order. there is a checkmark! any African abyss. No education, no work in the "country" is observed, as well as prospects. Once Fursenko (before the promise of 25 million jobs was canceled) said that 15% of graduates are not needed ... they will not find work. now still more interesting. are trying to make lackeys. by calling them patriots.
  • iouris
    iouris 4 August 2020 11: 06
    0
    All clear. Be careful in the comments.
  • Fargus
    Fargus 4 August 2020 11: 39
    -3
    Let's like here. Here, this is in Germania. I live, I enjoy. Immediately I cut it off - but I don’t like it, I can’t leave; I’m tied to Geyropa for another five years. Duck to the topic ... Let's educate the Geyropeans, children from the third grade will be taught how to fuck: a boy with a boy, a girl Inga with Hasan. To teach that the grandfathers did not defend their homeland, but were ingrained Nazi (we have communist), although he did not hold the crusts of the National Socialist German Workers' Party in his hands. How it is necessary for a drug addict to take to the streets to demonstrate, and when a black man in a vogzal in Germany pushes a child with his mother onto the rails under a train - everyone is at home ... Let's teach children to be silent when they even earn good money, and they have everything will take, not racketeering, but the state ... 54% of taxation and the patriots are silent. Oh yes! And for the word "patriot" they will write an article about how to attribute it, kick out from work and brand it as a Nazi. Even here on the portal - read articles on KSK. Let's do it this way.
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 4 August 2020 12: 29
    -2
    Why does all this hate and rejection cause me? What is wrong with me?
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 4 August 2020 12: 49
    +3
    My children will never be patriots of this power and everything connected with it. Empty attempts. They themselves already see our devastation, ideotism and our catastrophic lagging behind .... They see the cars and cottages of the official "patriots" ... They see what all the lofty impulses of the young and sincere are reduced to by the authorities. And they know what kind of pressure they will be subjected to if they dare to say an unpleasant word to bureaucrats at any level ... They even know that they will be tortured in the authorities if they oppose the government. They know that all of us will be crushed and easily gagged, not only in politics, but also any stupid boss .... What is there to tell a modern teenager for patriotism?
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 August 2020 13: 06
    +1
    It was not good with upbringing in the Soviet school, it is time to accept and understand. It was good with propaganda and brainwashing.
    You don't have to read further. Feces and urine ...
  • Hazarov
    Hazarov 4 August 2020 13: 46
    0
    Eh! Do not roll bags!
    You can blurt out anything, but there is a nuance.
    What and by whom will all this be done? Do you have a resource for this? AND?
    Or is it just blah blah?
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 4 August 2020 13: 59
    +1
    You can write a lot in all the new laws, good "blah-blah-blah" ... But what patriotism can we say that if a teacher cannot buy a laptop for herself, and half of the class has at least cool smartphones? ... How can this teacher cultivate patriotism, if even the schoolchildren now know that whoever has more dough and money is right in this life !!! am
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 4 August 2020 16: 00
    0
    Patriotic education is good, but where is its methodology (unless, of course, we exclude the militarized theme such as uniforms and marching in formation in red shirts, everything is clear) Well, if you are not a physical education teacher?))) - "based on socio-cultural, spiritual and moral values ​​and accepted in Russian society of the rules and norms of behavior "- a very vague recommendation, especially considering the difference -" cultural (s) heritage (s) and traditions (s) of the multinational people of the Russian Federation "- (-) - my edits Someone worked out a certain unified concept in which all these legacies and traditions fit into? Before there was monarchism, then communism There was a certain unified foundation on which you can rely on when considering any issues with a child And now it does not exist Relying on the foundation of the Second World War conditionally "war" or the foundation conditionally "America is the enemy" is a bad idea because these foundations will not give an answer to the simplest questions Since neither the past war nor friendship against someone does not carry any moral ethical standards by themselves (or carry a very limited set of them) The foundation must have some philosophical (example, communism Shintoism Confucianism) or religious (example, Orthodox monarchism, Hinduism, paganism) axioms applicable at any even the smallest household level, which is especially important when raising a child The quality of these axioms ensures the stability of society (one might even say its patriotism in some way) So at the state level we do not have a single philosophical or a single religious system, but what, then, forgive me to kid? It turns out to each his own, depending on his culture and traditions? And this is not at all funny and leads to division and even separatism. The "problem" of all, to one degree or another, "working" foundations is that the axioms embedded in them cannot harm the majority of the population, because then it will not accept them (available in mind in an evolutionary way) And it is worth noting that we had attempts to work out such a foundation.The country is always controlled by a minority That is why the task in this situation does not have an evolutionary solution within the natural framework Of course, you can create artificial (at the level of castes taboos or possibly chipping) This is again not funny (for most of course) These are the things we do not really shorter
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 5 August 2020 12: 50
    -1
    the formation of a sense of patriotism and civic consciousness in students, respect for the memory of the defenders of the Fatherland and the heroic deeds of the heroes of the Fatherland, for law and order, a man of labor and the older generation, mutual respect, respect for the cultural heritage and traditions of the multinational people of the Russian Federation, for nature and the environment "


    Who now wants to form a sense of patriotism in their child ?? You have to be sick .. In a country where everything is tied solely to the bubble .. what the hell is civic consciousness ..

    Next .. Heroes of the Fatherland ?? We have one of the most popular here - a certain Ramzan .. Are there many people who really respect him ??

    Law and order .. I think there is even nothing to comment on ..

    A man of labor .. Isn't it Rotenberg, who was recently awarded the Order for Labor ?? Thank you, we don't need this ..

    mutual respect, respect for cultural heritage and traditions - blah-blah-blah .. Now whoever has money is respected ..

    to nature and the environment - You give an increase in deforestation and supply of wood to China ..
  • NordUral
    NordUral 8 August 2020 18: 58
    +1
    Julie teaches patriotism.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 10 August 2020 01: 12
    0
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Quote: Stas157

    There was no need to artificially pump up this topic in the USSR. After all, every student knew that we were the first in everything. In space, in sports, in science ... and the industry gave the most coal and steel.

    And school education was excellent. True, it is not clear why people with the correct Soviet education after the collapse of the union went en masse to give money to fortune-tellers, sorcerers, swindlers, MMM and other financial pyramids. They began to join sects and charge cans of water in front of the TV.

    Well, everything is clear with MMM. Who doesn't want to be a partner. With sects it is also extremely simple. Once allowed, it is necessary to try, but for someone it is just a matter of the "roof" leaking.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 10 August 2020 23: 11
    0
    I am moved by "socio-cultural, spiritual and moral values ​​and the rules and norms of behavior adopted in Russian society in the interests of a person and a family." The ideology of the Golden Calf rules and rules! The state-forming population is dying out at 350 a year, even migrants from the former Soviet republics are not able to "broaden" this process. But it sounds even more cynical about "the formation of ... respect, ... for a working person, the older generation, ..." Give it, youth! Yunarmeyskiy takes on top of his head, and fewer questions. Here is patriotism! And let your grandmothers sit on the bent cleaning ladies for a part-time job of 000 tyras a month, if they still take it. They are the iron generation! When for the first time I saw a stupid advertising clip about Youth Army, with false pathos, the question immediately arose: "Young is understandable, but the Army is against whom?" Why "army"? Whom will you go to fight against, Youth? Pioneering with all that formalism of recent years is remembered as a naive, bright childhood. Our time is blatant falsehood, sophisticated cynicism, parasitism on the achievements of that Great country, which was buried by "market optimizers". They are now parasitizing on that memory, throwing associative pictures, like sugar to Pavlov's dog, for reflex saliva secretion.