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Cossacks: on land and at sea

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A. Telenin. Lieutenant of the Registered Cossacks


In the previous article ("Don Cossacks and Cossacks") we talked a little about stories the emergence of the Cossacks, its two historical centers, some of the differences between the Cossacks of the Don and Zaporozhye regions. Let's continue this story.

So, in spite of everything, the Cossack communities survived in a hostile environment - between the hammer of the Islamic world and the anvil of the Christian world. Over time, they became an important factor in geopolitics. As auxiliary troops, they began to be hired by the aristocrats of the border regions, and then by the governments of various states. Cossacks usually went to such a service willingly, since, on the one hand, they acquired powerful patrons, and on the other, they received the supplies they needed.

Cossacks in the service of Glinsky and Vishnevetsky


The first successful experience of using "Cherkasy Cossacks" was noted in 1493, when the Cherkasy governor of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania Bogdan Fedorovich Glinsky, nicknamed Mamai, with their help captured the fortress of Ochakov. A retaliatory raid of the Tatars of Khan Mengli-Girey followed, the overly proactive Glinsky was transferred to Putivl. In 1500, this city was taken by the Russians, Glinsky was captured, where he died either in 1509 or in 1512.

The next tycoon who decided to use the Cossacks against the Tatars was Prince Dmitry Vishnevetsky (Baida), who in the middle of the XNUMXth century built a fortress on the Dnieper island of Malaya Khortitsa, which belonged to the Crimean Khanate, using his personal funds.

The nickname of the prince is also associated with this island: Baida is one of the names of Malaya Khortitsa. He did not limit himself to protecting his possessions, constantly disturbing the Crimean lands. The siege of this fortress in 1557 was unsuccessful, but the following year, with the help of the Turks, Khan Devlet-Girey managed to capture it. Vishnevetsky with a part of the Cossacks broke free from the encirclement and entered the service of Ivan the Terrible, having received from him the city of Belev. The prince continued to fight the Tatars and reached Azov and Perekop, but after the start of the Livonian War, not wanting to fight against relatives, in 1561 he went into the service of King Sigismund II Augustus. From Poland he embarked on an expedition to Moldova, where he was defeated, captured and executed in Istanbul in 1564.

Cossacks: on land and at sea

D. Vishnevetskiy on the Ukrainian stamp

Some Ukrainian historians consider D. Vishnevetsky the founder of the Zaporizhzhya Sich, which, of course, is not true. On Malaya Khortitsa, not a Cossack fortification was built, but a castle of a sovereign magnate, and, of course, there were no chieftains and other elected officials. And Sigismund II, in one of his letters to Vishnevetsky, on the contrary, demanded from him:

"Do not let the Cossacks make leads to the shepherds and harm the uluses of the Turkish king."

The Sich was nevertheless built on this place - later, and on the neighboring island of Bolshaya Khortitsa, but it turned out to be the second in a row: the first real Sich was Tokmakovskaya (1563-1593), located on an island within the boundaries of the modern city of Manganets (most of this the island is now flooded). Khortitskaya Sich was wedged between two Tokmakovs. It was in the Tokmakovskaya Sich that the uprising of the Cossacks began in 1591 under the leadership of Krishtof Kosinsky. After the destruction of this slash by the Tatars (1593), the catchers moved to the island of Bazavluk. The Bazavluk Sich became the base of the sea campaigns of Sagaidachny and Doroshenko, as well as several anti-Polish uprisings, the largest of which was led by Severin Nalivaiko.


Zaporizhzhya Sich in different years, map. The time of the existence of the Khortitskaya Sich is indicated here incorrectly, but the map gives an idea of ​​the location of the Sich in different years

Registered Cossacks and the Grassroots Host Zaporozhye


In 1572, another significant event took place in the history of the Zaporozhye Cossacks: some of them were recruited into the Polish service and entered in the register, so they received the name of the Registered Cossacks, although they were officially loudly called the “Zaporozhye Army”.


A. Telenin. Registered Cossacks

They received a salary from the royal treasury and were equated in rights with the "no-stamp gentry". Their first commander was the Polish gentry Jan Badovsky. In 1578 the city of Terekhtemyrov on the right bank of the Dnieper was transferred to the registered Cossacks, and their number was increased to 6000. They were divided into six regiments: Pereyaslavsky, Cherkassky, Kanevsky, Belotserkovsky, Korsunsky and Chigirinsky. Each regiment was divided into hundreds, kurens and outskirts.

The Cossacks who were not included in the register, according to the plan of the Polish authorities, were to become peasants, but in the overwhelming majority they left for the islands located below the Dnieper rapids, and began to call themselves the "Zaporozhian Nizov Troops".

Everyone associates the Zaporozhian Cossacks with the Sichs, but around the Sich there were also winter Cossacks who could marry and run a household, joining the Sichs during their campaigns - such was their “out-of-the-box trade”. Taras Bulba, who was married, had sons, and had his own rich estate, can be considered a Winter Cossack. Only periodically he came to Cossack in the Sich. The same can be said about Bohdan Khmelnytsky. But not all winter ones were rich like Bulba: most of the Cossacks who were not included in the register were called golutvenny - from the word "gollytba".

The number of grassroots Zaporizhzhya Cossacks rapidly increased due to the numerous fugitives. By the beginning of the seventeenth century, their number had already reached 40 thousand people.

Don Army


And what happened on the Don? At the turn of the XVI-XVII centuries, there were from 8 to 10 thousand Cossacks. But even here it was cramped for them, and in 1557 ataman Andrei Shadra took three hundred to the Terek - this is how the history of the Terek Cossacks began. However, in 1614, due to participation in hostilities, first on the side of the impostors, and then on the side of the Russian militia, according to the list drawn up to receive a salary, only 1888 people remained. But the Don people quickly recovered their numbers, and in 1637 they were already so strong that they were able to capture Azov, and then withstand an exhausting siege (Azov sitting). The rapid growth in the number of the Don people took place after the Schism and the beginning of the persecution of the Old Believers, many of whom fled to the Don. In the second half of the 20th century, there were already about 30-100 thousand Cossacks, they lived in XNUMX towns on the Don and its tributaries.

Relations between the Don people and the Cossacks were friendly, with their own charter neither one nor the other did not climb into a foreign monastery, preferring cooperation in wars with common enemies. Together they went on sea voyages, the story of which is ahead, and in 1641-1642, during the siege of Azov taken by the Don by the Turkish-Tatar troops (the Azov seat), the fortress was defended by 5 thousand Don Cossacks, a thousand Cossacks and 800 Cossack wives.

Of course, friction also happened. For example, in 1625, during a joint campaign to Trebizond, the Donets, without waiting for the approach of the Cossacks, attacked this rich city. It was possible to take only the outskirts, and when the Cossacks approached, the Turks received help, and the Cossacks, having suffered heavy losses, were forced to leave. The Zaporozhian Cossacks justifiably blamed the Donets for this failure, saying that they went for a premature assault so as not to share the booty. There was a quarrel between the allies, during which many Cossacks were killed on both sides, including the Don chieftain Isai Martemyanov. And in November 1637, the Cossacks, who had visited Azov, captured by the Don Cossacks, drove off a herd of horses when they left. As revenge, the Donets killed other "Cherkas" when they arrived "with bargaining."

But such incidents were still the exception to the rule.

Zaporizhzhya Sich



Chertomlytskaya Sich, scheme

In the XNUMXth century, there was a tendency to idealize the Cossacks and the Sich. This trend continued and intensified in the USSR and especially in modern Ukraine. The Zaporozhye Sich was described either as an analogue of the knightly orders of Europe, or as an example of democracy and democracy: two extremes, equally far from the truth. The state of affairs with the discipline of the "Sich knights" would have hanged the most patient grand master of any of the orders, and democracy, in fact, turned out to be the power of a drunken crowd, skillfully directed by representatives of different parties of the Cossack foreman.

The Zaporozhians were often represented as spokesmen for the will of the masses and defenders of the oppressed population of Little Russia. Here, too, not everything is simple, because the Sich and the Sich Cossacks have always pursued only their own interests, if necessary concluding alliances with both the Polish authorities and the Crimean Tatars. And hetmans Vygovsky, Doroshenko and Yuri Khmelnitsky did swear allegiance to the Sultan of Turkey. The peasants, on the other hand, under their banners, the Zaporozhians called not out of a sense of justice and sympathy for the oppressed masses, but to solve their own problems. So, in 1592, the nobleman Krishtof Kossinsky, who had gone to the Cossacks, addressed the peasants with an appeal, from whom Prince Ostrozhsky seized the estate. And in 1694, a new anti-Polish uprising was led by the former centurion of the same prince Severin Nalivaiko.


Monument to Severin Nalivaiko, Gusyatin, Ternopil region

The Cossacks of the Bazavluk Sich, part of the registered Cossacks, took part in this uprising, and after Nalyvayko released a station wagon with an appeal to the Orthodox population to beat the magnates and gentry, Catholics and Uniates, and many peasants.

That is, it was not the Cossacks who came to the aid of the rebellious peasants, but, on the contrary, the Cossacks, who called on the Khlops to support them during the mutiny. And note that more and more often at the head of the Cossacks were the gentry offended by the royal authorities. That in the least did not prevent the Sichs from fighting under their leadership against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

The famous Peter Sagaidachny, first elected by the koshev chieftain in 1605 (several times he was appointed hetman of the registered Cossacks), received the rights of the gentry and a very strange and even insulting coat of arms from the Polish king Sigismund III.


Coat of arms of Hetman Petr Sagaidachny. At the top of this coat of arms, we see a dog on a leash and with a collar. Was this hero of Ukraine really considered a chain dog by his Polish masters?

Actually, the name of this person is Konashevich. Sagaidachny is a Zaporozhye nickname that was given to well-aimed archers.


Petr Sahaidachny-Konashevich

He was born in the Russian Voivodeship of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - in the village of Kulchitsy near Lviv. In modern Ukraine, he is considered a cult figure, while in the people's memory he remained the hero of a single song, in which he is reproached for having exchanged his wife for tobacco and a pipe. Researchers believe that the pipe in this song symbolizes the Sich, tobacco - Crimea and Turkey, wife - Ukraine. The song ends with an appeal to quit the pipe and tobacco and return to his wife: the fact is that the campaigns against the Crimea and Turkey, which Sahaidachny went on both by order of the Polish kings and on his own, led to retaliatory raids by the Crimeans, from which they suffered mostly in nothing innocent peaceful Ukrainians. But now little is remembered about this, the famous Black Sea campaigns of Sagaidachny, the Khotin battle and the campaign to Moscow lands (in 1618) are heard. In memory of the naval merits of the ataman and hetman, the flagship of the Ukrainian Navy was named Hetman Sagaidachny. They say that the Ukrainian sailors immediately gave him the nickname "Dacha saiga".

In order not to be offended by Ukrainian readers, I will explain that such alterations of names are quite in the tradition of sailors of all countries. The imperial destroyers "Frisky" and "Zealous" were all called "Sober" and "Drunk", respectively. The cruiser "Kaganovich" in the Pacific navy was known to everyone as "Kaganovich's Lazaret" (Kaganovich's name is Lazar), even when it was renamed "Petropavlovsk". And the British sailors changed the name of their dreadnought "Agincourt" into "A Gin Court" - "The yard where the gin is poured."

Black Sea campaigns of the Don and Zaporozhye Cossacks


The sea campaigns, in which both the Don and the Cossacks took part, often uniting their flotillas, literally shook both the Crimea and the Ottoman Empire. Let's talk a little about them.

The southern neighbor of the Sich turned out to be the Crimean Khanate, a predatory "state with a raid economy." Both the Moscow regions and the lands of the Commonwealth suffered, and the Sich found itself on the way of the Tatars, who were going on another predatory campaign, for whom it made no difference who to sell in the slave markets - Russian or Little Russian peasants, or lower Zaporozhye Cossacks.


Crimean Tatars drive prisoners

I had to fight back. And then the Cossacks realized that the game of dashing raids on peaceful towns and villages can be reciprocal: the Tatars have fast and tireless horses, and they have small light ships, which the Cossacks called "seagulls", and the Don Cossacks - plows.


Zaporozhye canoe "Seagull" of the XVI-XVII centuries. The length of such ships did not exceed twenty meters, they had a mast with a square sail and ten to fifteen pairs of oars. The crew of one "seagull" was approximately 50 people

The enemies also had a huge coastline, which was very problematic to adequately defend along its entire length. And the draft of the "seagulls" is so small that you can come close to the shore and land troops anywhere.

There is information that some of the "gulls" had a double bottom: ballast was placed here, because of which the ship sank deep into the sea and became unobtrusive. And then the ballast was dropped and the seagulls literally floated up in front of the amazed opponents.

In general, it was a sin not to try to "touch" the Tatars, and even the Turks, and the first attempts were made back in the seventies of the 1574th century. One of the first leaders of the Black Sea expeditions was the ataman Samoilo Koshka, who was captured in 25 and for 1588 years was a slave rower in the Ottoman gallery. But more and more squadrons of the Cossacks went out to sea and headed for the Crimea and the Turkish coast. In 17, 1589 villages between Gezlev (now Evpatoria) and Perekop were plundered, and in 30 they managed to break into Gezlev, but in a fierce battle they were defeated and left, leaving XNUMX people captive to the Tatars, including the chieftain Kulaga.

The tactics used by the Cossacks in these raids on the Muslim coasts can be judged, for example, by the story of the Ottoman writer and traveler Evliya elebi. This is how he describes the attack of the Don Cossacks on the city of Balchik, located on the western coast of the Black Sea in 1652: having landed after midnight, they set it on fire from four sides and attacked with battle cries, sowing panic among the defenders and townspeople.

In 1606, the Cossacks attacked the Danube fortresses of Kiliya and Belgorod and captured Varna. Then there were raids on Perekop, Kiliya, Izmail and Belgorod-Dnestrovsky.

Contrary to expectations, the Turkish fleet in several battles did not manage to defeat the Cossack flotillas. And the Cossacks had already reached the cities of the southern coast of the Black Sea, and then began to enter the Bosphorus Strait, threatening the capital of the empire.

In August 1614, Peter Sagaidachny led the two thousandth detachment, which managed to capture and burn the city of Sinop. The shock in Turkey was so great that the grand vizier was executed by order of the sultan. But the Cossacks were not destined to bring huge booty to the Sich: not far from the mouth of the Dnieper, the returning Cossacks were overtaken by the Ottoman fleet and in the ensuing battle they were defeated. The very next year, about five thousand Cossacks struck at the outskirts of Istanbul - and again on the way back, they were overtaken by the Ottoman fleet, now at the Danube. This time the Cossacks won the naval battle.

In 1616, a Turkish squadron tried to lock the mouth of the Dnieper - and was defeated in the Dnieper estuary, losing 20 galleys. And the Cossacks went further and captured Kafa.


Cossacks on seagulls under the command of Hetman Sagaidachny destroy the Turkish fleet and capture Kafa in 1616. Engraving in 1622

Since that time, the sea campaigns of the Cossacks have become permanent.

The Dominican Abbot Emilio Dascoli, in his Description of the Black Sea and Tartary, reports:

“At sea, no ship, no matter how large and well-armed, is safe if, unfortunately, it encounters seagulls, especially in calm weather. The Cossacks are so brave that not only with equal forces, but also with twenty "seagulls" are not afraid of thirty galleys of the padishah. "

Things got to the point that Ottoman soldiers sent against the Cossacks sometimes had to be driven aboard galleys with sticks.

Joint sea campaigns of the Donets and Cossacks


The grassroots Don Cossacks went on sea voyages no less willingly than the Cossacks. Often they coordinated their actions and united their flotillas (I recall the attacks on the Spanish possessions of the combined squadrons of Tortuga and Port Royal). Let's talk about the most significant of these trips.

The first joint expedition was recorded in 1622: the allied fleet of 25 ships (crew of 700 people), led by the Zaporozhye ataman Shilo, plundered the Turkish coast, but was defeated by the Ottoman galley squadron. The Turks then captured 18 Cossack ships and took 50 prisoners.

The Allies responded with a campaign of 150 gulls and plows in 1624, striking the Bosphorus. A fleet of 500 large and small ships had to repel their attack. In order to prevent a breakthrough to the capital, the Ottomans even stretched an iron chain through the Golden Horn, which has been preserved since Byzantine times.

The following year, 300 Don and Zaporizhzhya ships sailed to sea, which attacked Trebizond and Sinop. They entered into a sea battle with the Turkish fleet of Redshid Pasha and withdrew, having lost 70 ships.

The next large joint expedition took place in 1637 - 153 seagulls went out to sea.

And there were also campaigns of the smaller forces of the Don and Sich Cossacks.

If necessary, the Cossacks could return to the Sich through the Sea of ​​Azov and the Don, and then - on dry land:

"They came to the Don to the Cossacks from the sea and from the Zaporozhye Cherkas with five hundred people, they spent the winter with the Cossacks on the Don."


Cossacks in the Baltic


In 1635, Zaporozhye gulls appeared on the Baltic Sea. During the Polish-Swedish war, King Vladislav IV (the failed tsar of the Muscovite state) ordered Colonel Konstantin Volk to bring a thousand registered Cossacks, who had previously gone on gulls, to fight the enemy fleet. In the city of Jurburg (Lithuania), 15 gulls were built, another 15 were made by the Cossacks themselves, having altered suitable boats of local fishermen. On the night of August 31, their flotilla attacked the Swedish squadron stationed in the port of Pillau. One ship was taken on board, while the other shocked Swedes managed to take them out to sea.

Khotyn battle


One of the most important and significant battles in which the Cossacks took part took place in 1621, when their thirty-thousandth army near Khotin, united with the thirty-five thousandth army of the Commonwealth, defeated the two hundred thousandth Ottoman army. However, modern historians estimate the strength of their opponents more modestly: up to 80 thousand Turks and from 30 to 50 thousand Crimean Tatars.

This war began back in 1620, when in Moldavia near the village of Tsetsory the Turks defeated the Polish army under the command of the crown hetman Stanislav Zholkiewski, the one who came to the Russian lands during the Troubles and became famous for his victory at Klushin.


Valerie Eliash-Radzikovsky. "The death of the crown hetman Zolkiewski near Tsetsora"

In September of the following year, the opposing armies met again. The Ottoman army was commanded by Sultan Osman II himself. The general command of the Polish-Lithuanian-Cossack army was carried out by Jan Chodkiewicz, an experienced commander who fought a lot with Sweden and went to Moscow twice during the Time of Troubles. The Cossacks were commanded by Peter Sagaidachny.

Considering the balance of forces, Chodkiewicz chose a defensive tactic: he deployed his troops on the western bank of the Dniester so that on one side his camp was protected by a river, on the other - by a steep edge of a hill. It is difficult to say how events would have developed if Osman II was not in a hurry, but simply besieged the camp, especially since he managed to seize the crossings across the Dniester, the Tatars at that time plundered the lands of the Commonwealth with impunity, and the Swedish king Gustav Adolf captured Northern Livonia. However, the young sultan, inspired by last year's victory, was eager to fight and therefore threw his army to storm Chodkiewicz's camp.

The Khotin battle lasted from September 2 to October 9, 1621. During this time, Chodkiewicz managed to become famous for the attack of several banners of the hussars (600 people) of a ten-thousandth cavalry detachment of the Turks, and then die of some kind of illness, and the Poles - to eat all the horses. As a result, the Turks retreated, losing about 40 thousand people. The losses of their opponents turned out to be much less - about 14 thousand.

In the next article we will talk about the inglorious end of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the fate of the Sich Cossacks.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 August 2020 05: 05
    +9
    I didn't have time to read it, I have to go to the service! But thanks for the continuation to Valery !!!
    Regards, Kote!
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 6 August 2020 19: 25
      -9
      and your service is probably going on in this garbage dump. In a year I "scribbled" right up to the general's star.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 August 2020 19: 38
        +7
        Quote: Seeker
        and your service is probably going on in this garbage dump. In a year I "scribbled" right up to the general's star.

        ))) rudeness Sir or envy?
        I have been at VO since 2013, I lived to be generals three times. And ... having real stars, I don't give a damn about virtual ones !!!
        Regarding the "trash heap", here I have my own circle of friends and comrades, enemies and, apparently, from today in your face, a petty envious!
        Have a nice day!
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild 6 August 2020 20: 02
        +2
        And who is stopping you from rising to at least the captain?
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 August 2020 20: 15
          +3
          Thank you dear Vera for your kind word!
          Regards, Vlad!
    2. cost
      cost 7 August 2020 14: 39
      +4
      It is written interesting. Although the following statement of the author jarred
      At the turn of the XVI-XVII centuries, there were from 8 to 10 thousand Cossacks. But even here it was cramped for them, and ataman Andrei Shadra took three hundred to the Terek - this is how the history of the Terek Cossacks began.

      Probably the respected author has not heard anything about the Greben, Sunzha, Agrakhan, Tertse-family Cossacks from which TKV was created. By the way, the fortification Terka / Terka (Sunzhensky prison) on the Terek river opposite the confluence of the Sunzha was built in 1557, and the ancient capital of the Terek Cossacks, the Greben village of Chervlennaya, at the beginning of the 15th century yes

      To anything where it is necessary and it is not necessary to poke the Cossacks dear to your heart. Not pretty yes
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 6 August 2020 07: 36
    -1
    For the pirates of the Caribbean, there were many writers who described outright robbery in such a romantic way that even today it is easy to read about it, a movie about pirates is especially attractive.
    They also wrote romantically about the Cossacks, but it was here, nearby. Therefore, we know more about the robberies of the Cossacks than about the robbers * somewhere out there *.
    Moreover, by historical standards, quite recently, we had both the Civil War and the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR in which the Cossacks showed themselves as true followers of their ancestors - they robbed, killed, raped and then fled abroad. Few of the Cossacks fought for the idea, more and more in the hope of robbing. When the RED ARMY began to smash the whites and their masters, the interventionists, then the Cossacks began * to open their eyes * and they began to massively * take the side of the people *.
    So it was in the European part of RUSSIA and in the Far East.
    In Central Asia, the history of the Cossacks is very interesting. In this regard, it is even instructive how Kazakia became Kazakhstan, and the Kirghiz became Kazakhs. Take an interest. There's a lot ...
    By the way, the Cossacks were made up according to the Tsar's decree, since this is an estate. Therefore, the current Cossacks look comical, and even with shoulder straps, awards.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 11: 42
      +7
      THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR in which the Cossacks showed themselves as true followers of their ancestors - they robbed, killed, raped and then fled abroad.

      I think that this scum is scum and showed. And the real ones on Red Square took place at the Victory Parade.

      and no one bothered Captain Nedorubov to wear four "georges" together with the Golden Star of the hero. hi
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 August 2020 11: 47
      10
      To exclaim after reading your lengthy comment I was surprised at its illogicality. Krivda is really in one bottle !!!
      Now to the point.
      1. The Cossacks are an estate, I agree.
      2. Costumed Cossacks cause a grin, I agree!
      3. About Kazakhstan and the Cossack horde, Kyrgyz and Cossacks. Not everything is as simple as it is written by the Novokhronolozhites and Gumilyov! The term "Cossack" itself has changed its meaning over the centuries, and not only among the speakers of the Great Russian language. So do not confuse "warm with soft"!
      4. Cossacks - rapists, murderers, robbers and traitors? Interestingly equestrian Cossack divisions Tertsev, Kubantsev and Dontsev as part of the Red Army, are those who used the Germans and Jews? Or is it a Cossack - a Cossack strife, as a person - a person? Or there are enough bastards everywhere - the family has its black sheep! So I don't see any point in putting equality between the Cossack general Krasnov and Platov, Shkuro and Sholokhov, ataman Ermak and Mazepa!
      5. There are no films about the Cossacks, they don't write books, etc.?
      Do you read a respected book? Did you know about Taras Bulba otkedov? About Quiet Don, whose lines have been read. I am afraid that in our country there is not a single military-historical film or book about events from the 16th to the 19th centuries, where a Cossack or Cossack way of life is not mentioned or shown!
      I am ready to give examples in hundreds, and in books by thousands!
      There are also modern ones, including about the development of Siberia! There are cartoons, and with a plot no worse than the Pirates of the Caribbean!
      Only to put equality between a Cossack and a pirate is not a rewarding business. A Cossack of the sample of 1812, no match for the "cossack thief's cossack" - 1612!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 6 August 2020 14: 48
        +4
        Kotya, you +: "it's not a rewarding thing to equate a Cossack and a pirate"
        I am afraid to be mistaken, but Berthier or Segur '(forgot) compared the Cossacks with wasps. They also stung and did not give rest to the French
    3. Basil50
      Basil50 6 August 2020 12: 07
      +4
      I come from Central Asia, that's why I remember the Semirechye Cossacks.
      My relatives in the South Urals told a lot about how the Cossacks massacred the entire village, only those who managed to hide survived. Then he lived in Rostov-on-Don for a long time. So I know about the Cossacks. As about those who defended the HOMELAND - THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE-SOVIET UNION and about those who killed RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
      Do not forget about the HEROISM of the Cossacks, but also do not forget about the traitors of their homeland. Don't forget anything.
    4. Astra wild
      Astra wild 6 August 2020 14: 50
      0
      Vasily, please leave the Fomenkovschina
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 6 August 2020 15: 08
        +7
        Vera! And where is Vasily's * Fomenkovism * so unloved by you? Explain, pliz! hi
        1. Astra wild
          Astra wild 6 August 2020 18: 43
          +1
          Are you a fan of Fomenko ?!
          P
          S
          "How did Cossackia become Kazakhstan" or ask a colleague: "Kote Pani Kohanka" he also pointed out to Vasily about the Novokhronolozhites
          And who is our most famous Novokhronolozhets-Fomenko
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 6 August 2020 19: 27
            +7
            Quote: Astra wild
            Are you a fan of Fomenko ?!

            But I don’t tear the vest on my chest * at the mention of his name. bully
            Quote: Astra wild
            or ask a colleague: "Kote Pani Kohanka" he also pointed out to Vasily about the Novokhronolozhites

            Vlad, respected by me, has his own point of view, respected Vasily / is not familiar, alas / - his own.
            We are all different here. We argue, debate, discuss. And finally, we just communicate!
            Something like that... hi
            1. Astra wild
              Astra wild 6 August 2020 20: 17
              +1
              Quote: Phil77
              Quote: Astra wild
              Are you a fan of Fomenko ?!

              But I don’t tear the vest on my chest * at the mention of his name. bully
              Quote: Astra wild
              or ask a colleague: "Kote Pani Kohanka" he also pointed out to Vasily about the Novokhronolozhites

              Vlad, respected by me, has his own point of view, respected Vasily / is not familiar, alas / - his own.
              We are all different here. We argue, debate, discuss. And finally, we just communicate!
              Something like that... hi

              In fact, I, too, "do not tear the vest": 1) they may not understand correctly if they see it in this form; 2) I respect sailors, but not a fan of sea uniforms
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 6 August 2020 20: 33
                +5
                Quote: Astra wild
                "I don't tear my vest"

                Yes, this phrase is from the movie! * Aty-bats were soldiers *! wink
                I mean, * softer * you need to be. hi
    5. Bar1
      Bar1 6 August 2020 15: 06
      -7
      Quote: Vasily50
      Therefore, we know more about the robberies of the Cossacks than about the robbers * somewhere out there *.

      and whom did the Cossacks rob? There are no Russians. They only robbed yours, so you are here and angry, well, that's what you need.
    6. Astra wild
      Astra wild 6 August 2020 15: 25
      +5
      "when the RED ARMY began to smash the belyaks" just for the sake of justice: Avtonomov, Kochubei., Mironov were Cossacks. And about Kochubei, even Stalin said that he was the best commander of the 11th Red Army
    7. Normal ok
      Normal ok 6 August 2020 19: 07
      +6
      Quote: Vasily50
      For the pirates of the Caribbean, there were many writers who described outright robbery in such a romantic way that even today it is easy to read about it, a movie about pirates is especially attractive.

      It is much harder to write about "friends". There are a lot of censored blinders. And, so the story would be cooler than about the pirates of Tortuga. In essence, people were the same. Morals are the same: human freemen, in times of oppression by those in power. And to judge them from the modern bell tower is wrong.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 August 2020 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: Normal ok
        Quote: Vasily50
        For the pirates of the Caribbean, there were many writers who described outright robbery in such a romantic way that even today it is easy to read about it, a movie about pirates is especially attractive.

        It is much harder to write about "friends". There are a lot of censored blinders. And, so the story would be cooler than about the pirates of Tortuga. In essence, people were the same. Morals are the same: human freemen, in times of oppression by those in power. And to judge them from the modern bell tower is wrong.

        As far as I remember, not a single British pirate, French buccaneer, or Dutch corsair dared to rebel with the prospect of wearing a royal crown! Pirates of North Africa are not an example! And our Cossacks Senka Razin and Emelyan Pugachev blizzard into tsars and emperors! By the way Misha Romanov shouted "Cossacks thieving"! So the Cossacks in Russia are an integral part of the people, and the pirates of Karimov are banal "cancerous tumor", with the maximum admission to knights and noblewomen (Lrke and Morgan)!
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 6 August 2020 20: 35
          +4
          laughing laughing laughing but you got the message - there is something to tell. For example, the capture of Sinop by Sahaidachny is worthy of a separate article.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 6 August 2020 20: 56
          +4
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          maximum admission to the knights and the noblewoman (Lkyk and Morgan)!

          Greetings Vlad!
          Did I understand you correctly that the aforementioned gentlemen did not have a Russian scale?
          * I do not want to be a pillar noblewoman, but I want to be the ruler of the sea! * hi laughing
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 August 2020 04: 30
            +4
            Good morning Sergey!
            Quote: Phil77
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            maximum admission to the knights and the noblewoman (Lkyk and Morgan)!

            Greetings Vlad!
            Did I understand you correctly that the aforementioned gentlemen did not have a Russian scale?
            * I do not want to be a pillar noblewoman, but I want to be the ruler of the sea! * hi laughing

            Well, somewhere like that! However, there were also enough moderates who ended their years in prosperity, warmth and in the state service.
            And I will repeat "Cossack - Cossack strife"! For example, the Bashkirs. The latter were turned into Cossacks after the "Pugachevshchina" and for two centuries they ceased to "rebel". Although before that two centuries did not pass without raids, sieges
            and robbery!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 7 August 2020 05: 04
              +3
              And good morning and a good day to you! Well, with the above, it is more or less clear. But .. That's what I read in the morning! Tomorrow is World Cat Day!. In 2002, the International Fund for the Protection of Animals celebrated this day. So with the coming of all of us , friends of the tailed, mustachioed, friendly and sociable people! bully
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 August 2020 05: 09
                +3
                Join us! drinks good reason !!!! drinks
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 7 August 2020 05: 28
                  +2
                  And one more morning thought caught! Glory to the Creator that this glorious and wondrous people have no tolerance / ugh! Forgive God! /! And there is a normal division by gender! Joke! laughing
        3. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 09: 57
          +3
          By the way Misha Romanov shouted "Cossacks thieving"!

          I read about it at Shirokorad. He doesn't like the Romanovs very much. and in the book "Northern Wars of Russia" he is not shy in expressions addressed to Mikhail Fedorovich and his papa. And not only to them. laughing
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 7 August 2020 12: 29
            +3
            Now I don’t remember where I “picked up” this! But the fact remains. Misha Romanov was chosen to the kingdom as "convenient" and not as "worthy."
            Although I cited these facts as proof that the "Cossacks" are an integral part of the history of the Russian state! And not as a people, but a constituent part of the Russian ethnos!
    8. Normal ok
      Normal ok 6 August 2020 19: 53
      0
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nAsTU9gpKI
  3. Avior
    Avior 6 August 2020 09: 13
    +6
    ... the first real slash was Tokmakovskaya

    Tomakovskaya Sich
  4. Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent 6 August 2020 09: 19
    +5
    Very informative and interesting !!!
    We look forward to continuing! hi
  5. Vlad_N
    Vlad_N 6 August 2020 10: 34
    +6
    As a descendant of the first Cossack migrants to the Kuban (I know my ancestor, who took Izmail with Suvorov and received an army rank for this), and now living on the Don, I read this series of articles with great interest!
  6. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 10: 58
    +7
    In 1635, Zaporozhye gulls appeared on the Baltic Sea.

    It is interesting that in 1656, during the next Russian-Swedish war, ships appeared near the island of Kotlin (where now the fortress city of Kronstadt is) Don Cossacks. There was a battle with three Swedish small ships, one ship was captured by ours. soldier

    From the wiki:
    Historically reliable information about the naval battle is exhausted by a short reply from the voivode Potemkin: “Kotlin of the island with the German people (that is, with the Swedes) had a battle, and by the grace of God, and the Most Pure Mother of God with the help, and all the saints' prayers, and the Great Sovereign and his son, the sovereign , fortunately, from Kotlin, a semi-ship (perhaps meant a half-galera (scampavey)) took and beat the German people, and the tongue (that is, the prisoner) caught the initial person, Captain Irek Dalsfir, 8 soldiers and an outfit (that is, guns) and banners got fucked. "
    As you can see, all Western Europeans at that time were designated by the word "Germans" for Russians.
    drinks
    Voivode Potemkin, who commanded the battle:

    A hundred years earlier, in the Baltic, Ivan the Terrible even hired the only documented Russian pirate - Carsten Rode. laughing Valery has already written about him. drinks
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 6 August 2020 18: 31
      0
      "voivode Potemkin who commanded the battle", and who he will be to Grigory Potemkin-Tavrichesky. Same name or relative?
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 18: 37
        +5
        "voivode Potemkin who commanded the battle", and who he will be to Grigory Potemkin-Tavrichesky. Same name or relative?

        Vera, judging by the tree from Wikipedia, Tavrichesky is from another branch of the Potemkin, who have a single ancestor. That is, a further relative of Pyotr Ivanovich, who was in command of Kotlin. what
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%91%D0%BC%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 6 August 2020 20: 33
      +2
      Nikolai, actually Valery said that the Cossacks were in the Baltic, and you are talking about the Don Cossacks. All the same, the Cossacks and the Don are different Cossacks
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 09: 34
        +2
        Nikolai, actually Valery said that the Cossacks were in the Baltic, and you are talking about the Don Cossacks. All the same, the Cossacks and the Don are different Cossacks

        I understand. Valery just mentioned the Cossacks in the Baltic, but I remembered that the Don Cossacks fought a similar battle in 1656 hi
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 12: 54
    10
    My non-Jewish quarter are Amur Cossacks. They were not dispossessed, their own economy, their farmsteads were not driven into collective farms, they did not starve during the war, a family - 7 children, 5 of them went through the war, including girls who went to the front voluntarily. Elite! Whether their ancestors robbed someone - I don't know, but if so, then they did the right thing. You Can't Get enough of Jewish Descendants laughing
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 13: 10
      +6
      My non-Jewish quarter are Amur Cossacks.

      What a twist! belay There was a coup-coup in Birobidzhan! wink drinks
      Hello Albert! And my non-Russian quarter is Chuvash. The great-great-grandfather, the merchant, wrote everything off to the state immediately, and no one touched him with a finger.drinks
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 August 2020 13: 18
        +8
        Hi, glad to see you! hi drinks
        The same story happened with my paternal great-grandfather in 40 in Bessarabia. They did not touch, respected, put in charge of their own economy with a decent salary for the USSR at that time. But in 41 the Germans came, he refused to go to the ghetto, they shot him in the courtyard of the house left for him by the Soviet authorities.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 13: 38
          +5
          But in 41 the Germans came, he refused to go to the ghetto, they shot him in the courtyard of the house left for him by the Soviet authorities.

          There are no words ... "With this" (just a set of censorship expressions is not enough), the feeling, in general, did not care who to kill, just under some let down the "ideological base", and under others would let down later. If the plan "Ost" existed, then it was already "let down" - under the Russians, Belarusians and everyone else.
          Yesterday, by the way, I posted information about the Pskov region and the process in Leningrad on the forum in the comments, with links. Yes, sadists .. Ordinary Nazism!
          My great-grandfather-Chuvash died in 1942 near Voronezh. soldier
          My non-Jewish quarter are Amur Cossacks.

          Yesterday I read about the Jewish Autonomous Region. Honestly, before that I thought, proceeding from the common story, that it was Stalin who "joked" about Mikhoels's requests (which cost him his life!), And appointed her after the war. But no, it turns out that resettlement began there long before the war.hi
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 August 2020 13: 49
            +6
            On February 11, 1945, at the Yalta Conference, Roosevelt asked Stalin what he thought of Zionism. The answer was:

            “In principle, I support Zionism, but there are difficulties in solving the Jewish question. Our experiment in Birobidzhan failed, because Jews prefer to live in cities. "

            About the Nazis - yes, the creatures are finished
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 14: 05
              +5
              About the Nazis - yes, the creatures are finished

              In Pskov, we went to the museum on Sunday, but only two expositions were open there, one of which was Pskov during the war. Everything is there ... And about how the inhabitants were killed, and how the partisans acted, and much more. Bitter, and, at times, shivering.
              In arms, I asked him to photograph one copy for me:

              Browning High Power. The Germans were well armed, but with a pine forest.
              Here is the same for the partisans:
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 August 2020 14: 07
                +4
                It seems like a good machine. I can't understand - the store reset, it seems, is not a button?
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 14: 10
                  +3
                  It seems like a good machine. I can't understand - the store reset, it seems, is not a button?

                  I can't say, I didn't hold it in my hands. I have to ask Uncle Kostya, he is an expert. But it looks like a push button .. here is a photo from the wiki on the other side. Browning Hi-Power in the exposition of the Smolensk Region during the Great Patriotic War.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 6 August 2020 16: 35
                    +3
                    And this machine is generally unclear "what year and what factory" - not a single stigma. request
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 6 August 2020 15: 36
                  +4
                  The reset button is at the rear lower part of the trigger guard on the left. Now they are doing double-sided.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 38
                    +4
                    Thanks, got it hi If a soft trigger, then a great thing for its time!
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 6 August 2020 15: 27
                +3
                Mykola, you're never right. smile
                The photo shows not the Browning High Power, but the Polish VIS 35 pistol chambered for 9x19 Para. The creators of the pistol are the Polish designer Piotr Vilnevchits, a graduate of the Mikhailovsky Artillery Academy, and the director of the Warsaw Arms Factory, Jan Skripinsky, who provided him with technical support. Sometimes it is called Radom (because of the stamp on the casing-shutter), after the city in which it was produced. The pre-war production was of very high quality, after the occupation the Germans continued to produce it under the Pistole 35 (p) marking, but the quality was no longer the same.
                With "Browning High Power" they are similar like siblings, but still the designs are different, a purely external difference is the Pole has a lever for smooth release of the trigger from the cocking on the left side of the bolt (this is not a fuse, it is lower on the frame like in "Browning").

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                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 15: 41
                  +3
                  The photo shows not the Browning High Power, but the Polish VIS 35 pistol chambered for 9x19 Para.

                  it seems to have been based on the Colt M1911? Uncle Kostya, I don't even know how to thank you!good This is an even rarer thing!
                  By the way, Walter PP was also placed on one of the stands in the same place, in the Pskov Museum, with a golden plaque: "Captured in battle on such and such a date." They undressed some Fritz from the staff or rear, apparently. angry
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 6 August 2020 15: 52
                    +3
                    So 1911 is the same John Moses Browning. smile
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 15: 54
                      +4
                      So 1911 is the same John Moses Browning.

                      So did TT, EMNIP, Tokarev do it with him? Just without a fuse ... request
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 August 2020 15: 58
                        +4
                        Ttukha had a safety cocking of the trigger instead of a fuse, a thing unreliable and very dangerous. You also need to be able to copy, for nothing, perhaps they wanted to replace TT with Voevodin, the war prevented.
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 16: 05
                        +4
                        Ttukha had a safety cocking of the trigger instead of a fuse,

                        I know he shot. request
                        You also need to be able to copy, for nothing, perhaps they wanted to replace TT with Voevodin, the war prevented.

                        I'm wondering, "Makarov" has borrowings from "Walter PP"?
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 August 2020 16: 17
                        +4
                        And then, whose entire assembly-disassembly system with a displaceable trigger guard? And not only that. Yes "Walter PP" who only copied. Only Makarov, for some reason, made an inconvenient, compared to the PP, fuse, changed the "fire-stop" position and instead of the store reset button put a very inconvenient latch.
                        As I say, you also need to be able to copy.


                      4. VIP
                        VIP 6 August 2020 16: 59
                        +3
                        When I said that Beria was fascinated by Walter and insisted that we set up an analogue release, then I received -
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 6 August 2020 17: 24
                        +4
                        Pay no attention to the "urya-patriots". smile drinks
                      6. VIP
                        VIP 6 August 2020 21: 43
                        +4
                        Should I have said that Walter was copied from the PM?
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 7 August 2020 02: 11
                        +4
                        Then you would be accused of mocking the patriotic feelings of your comrades. There is no logic anyway, but "the elephant, all the same, the animal is truly Russian." laughing
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 32
                    +4
                    When I said that Beria was fascinated by Walter and insisted that we set up an analogue release, then I received -

                    absolutely normal. wink Vladimir, why are you surprised? drinks
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 16: 03
      +5
      Jan Skripinsky

      Uncle Kostya, I remember that Villenevchitz and Sksypinski also developed the first Polish submachine gun "Mors", which was fired in ridiculous quantities. And one of these two designers was killed by the Germans ... what
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 6 August 2020 17: 10
        +4
        Nikolai probably died Sksipinsky. Because Villenevchitz created PP P-63
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 25
          +3
          Nikolai probably died Sksipinsky. Because Villenevchitz created PP P-63

          Vera, thanks for the information. By the way, if I hadn't been reminded about this PP, I would not have remembered! love
          1. VIP
            VIP 6 August 2020 21: 46
            +3
            Damn, well, the women on the site know about the P-63. I have never heard of that.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 6 August 2020 17: 37
          +5
          You are right, Vera. love One of the creators of the PM-63 RAK was Piotr Villenevchits, but there, besides him, a whole group of designers worked: Ernest Durasevich, Richard Helmitzki, Tadeusz Bednarski.

          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 53
            +4
            One of the creators of the PM-63 RAK was Piotr Villenevchits, but there, besides him, a whole group of designers worked: Ernest Durasevich, Richard Helmitzki, Tadeusz Bednarski.

            Uncle Kostya, but it is interesting that Sa. was created by the Czechs even earlier. 23, which "served as a muse" to Uziel Galy when designing the Uzi. I have to ask Albert what the "Uzi" is, he must have fired from it. drinks
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 6 August 2020 18: 12
            +5

            Look at the shell ejection window, you can throw out the 12-gauge, but it shoots from the rear sear - all the dirt is yours. And the folding stock is a separate song altogether, it was necessary to think of this. And why did they find "legendary" in him, if people judge only by Hollywood crafts ... laughing
            That's for sure, not a very successful copy of J. Kholichek's p / p.
          3. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 18: 18
            +3
            Look at the ejection window, you can throw out the 12 gauge

            Well, we need Albert-Krasnodar to join us and explain. drinks in general, this thing, produced in Israel, amazes me more:

            The meaning is not clear. Weapon - the hero of computer games and action movies laughing Almost the only military who uses it are the Polish special forces "Grom". wink Well, the noble ones want to stand out, even kill yourself! wassat
            Although I read somewhere that it can be used as a hunting one.
          4. Catfish
            Catfish 6 August 2020 19: 22
            +4
            ... the only military who use it are the Polish special forces "Thunder". wink Well, the noble ones want to stand out, for the life of me! wassat

            No wonder - "the Freudian pistol" is just for them with their age-old Polish ambition. laughing
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 43
          +2
          Konstantin, as an ordinary user (PSC), I would not say that the standard ultrasound is so bad. In addition to the shooting range, he did not shoot anywhere from it, he worked with him in built-up areas - nothing supernatural, but also unsuccessful, especially for his time, it is difficult to call him.
        4. Catfish
          Catfish 7 August 2020 15: 29
          +2
          Hello Albert! hi
          And I wrote:
          ... not a very successful copy of the p / p of J. Kholichek.
          , not "very successful", it doesn't "suck" at all. smile
          And tell Nikolai about the "Desert Eagle", he is very interested.
          Well, we need Albert-Krasnodar to join us and explain. drinks in general, this thing made in Israel ...
        5. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 August 2020 15: 39
          +2
          Good afternoon, Konstantin! hi In theory, the desert eagle is needed only for one specific situation - if you notice that armed people are trying to overtake you, the passenger of the car can be shot into the hood of the adversaries, the toads can immobilize the terrorists)).
          For the rest - bear hunting, probably if you don't have time to reload your gun. laughing .
        6. Catfish
          Catfish 7 August 2020 15: 49
          +2
          Are there bears in Israel? what (joke).
          And fire on the engine - "Gyurza" with its cartridge is more suitable. I remember that in Moscow, in the eighties, "due to misunderstandings," a plainclothes operative clashed with committee members, so the police "Six" from "Gyurza" was shot through the cylinder block and killed the opera. This "Gyurza" was later on an independent examination at the All-Russian Research Institute of Sudexpertiza, we took it apart out of interest, and then we were completely worn out to collect it, there was no instruction. They did collect it, but I didn't have a chance to shoot it, there were only five cartridges with it, just for ballistic examination.
        7. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 August 2020 16: 08
          +2
          Desert Eagle was originally made for the States, gained some popularity among the settlers in the territories of Judea and Samaria. And Gyurza - what is it?
        8. Catfish
          Catfish 7 August 2020 16: 20
          +2


          It entered service with the special forces of the FSB and FSO at the end of 1996 (according to my information, much earlier). The short-barrel was named Special Development - 1 (SR - 1). It was equipped with SP10 cartridges (special patrons). Since 99 he has been in the service of the prosecutor's office. It was adopted by the army special forces in 2003, where it was named the Serdyukov self-loading pistol (SPS).

          Features, materials, performance characteristics
          "Gyurza" has the following technical characteristics:

          Weight without loaded magazine is 900 g, with magazine - 1200;
          Barrel length - 120 mm, and the whole product - 200 mm, width - 34, height - 145 mm;
          Used cartridges 9x21 mm. There are several types. About them below;
          Caliber - 9 mm;
          Rate of fire - 40 / m;
          The store contains 18 warheads;
          Bullet muzzle velocity 410 meters per second
          The most modern materials are used in the manufacture. In particular, the handle is made of polymers that reduce the weight of the entire device.

          The main thing in "Gyurza" is a powerful cartridge that sews through any body armor:
          7N28 (SP11) - has a weight of 7.5 grams, has a lead filling, dressed in a specific package that reduces the chance of a ricochet. It is used in urban combat conditions, with a large number of concrete and metal surfaces;
          7N29 (SP10) - weighs almost 8 grams, a bullet with an increased armor penetration rate. This is achieved due to the specific design - part of the hardened steel core protrudes beyond the casing, which allows not to waste energy on its penetration;
          7BT3 (SP13) - 7.3 grams, convenient for combat in low light conditions. Its construction contains a tracer compound, a soft lead jacket and a steel core. This gives the ammunition an impressive stopping power.
        9. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 7 August 2020 16: 26
          +2
          Judging by the characteristics, a great thing!
        10. Catfish
          Catfish 7 August 2020 17: 01
          +3
          The recoil, they say, is sharp, but I myself have not tried it. Now, instead of the "Gyurza", some "Boa" under the same cartridge was adopted. Solid serpentarium. laughing
        11. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 17: 54
          +2
          Solid serpentarium.

          it's in the pistols. The self-propelled artillery still has a flower garden. Remains of it at leastlaughing
        12. Catfish
          Catfish 7 August 2020 18: 36
          +3
          Nothing, there will be enough flowers for our age. smile
          "Oh, dear, oh Vasya-Cornflower!" laughing

          He can be self-propelled.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 7 August 2020 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        The recoil, they say, is sharp, but I myself have not tried it. Now, instead of the "Gyurza", some "Boa" under the same cartridge was adopted. Solid serpentarium. laughing

        If the smooth operation of the trigger, then a sports person is not a hindrance. Is the boa constrictor Yarygin?
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 8 August 2020 00: 31
        +2
        The inventor of the Udav pistol was Ivan Kozlov, a young design engineer from TsNIItochmash. Cartridges like the Gyurza 9x21.

        Yarygin pistol "Grach" (GRAU index - 6P35), MP-443 chambered for 9x19 Para.
  8. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 13 August 2020 02: 02
    +1
    I managed to shoot from Uzi: uncomfortable, heavy, swaying, shaking, farther than 30 m it was pointless to shoot. Probably good only for bandits - jump out from around the corner and hit half the store point-blank.
  9. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 37
    +2
    Quote: Pan Kohanku

    Uncle Kostya, but it is interesting that Sa. was created by the Czechs even earlier. 23, which "served as a muse" to Uziel Galy when designing the Uzi. I have to ask Albert what the "Uzi" is, he must have fired from it. drinks

    A standard ultrasound is nothing special. Mini-ultrasound is super. Ultrasound - pistol - complete crap.
  10. Astra wild
    Astra wild 6 August 2020 20: 43
    +1
    Konstantin, I may have forgotten, but Villenevchits was the leader, which means I'm right
  • Catfish
    Catfish 6 August 2020 17: 28
    +4
    Yes, "Morse" is their brainchild.

    I have no information about the fact that one of them died.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 29
      +3
      Yes, "Morse" is their brainchild.

      EMNIP, his magazine was automatically reset after emptying. A similar phenomenon can only be recalled in the Garand self-loading. what
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 6 August 2020 17: 39
        +5
        Yeah, the "Garand" had such a loud and sonorous click that the army even complained about unmasking, as if the shooting itself was not a unmasking factor. sad
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 46
        +5
        Yeah, the "Garand" had such a loud and sonorous click that the army even complained about unmasking, as if the shooting itself was not a unmasking factor.

        yes, but in close combat ... somehow not really, knowing that the enemy hears that you have run out of cartridges ...
      3. Catfish
        Catfish 6 August 2020 18: 01
        +5
        This is true, but they are not fighting alone and if they run out of one, then the rest may have a full clip. But, of course, anything can happen.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 6 August 2020 14: 40
    +4
    Quote: Krasnodar
    About the Nazis - yes, the creatures are finished

    And that's all, of any nationality, right? wink
    I mean, there is no less Nazism among the Orthodox Jews than in the ranks of the NSDAP. But for some reason everyone turns a blind eye to this.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 August 2020 14: 56
      +6
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Quote: Krasnodar
      About the Nazis - yes, the creatures are finished

      And that's all, of any nationality, right? wink
      I mean, there is no less Nazism among the Orthodox Jews than in the ranks of the NSDAP. But for some reason everyone turns a blind eye to this.

      I’m wondering, have you met at least one Orthodox Jew, communicated with him? Have you seen at least one SOCIALIST, national or some other, among them? laughing
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 6 August 2020 15: 34
    +3
    Albert, where does this information about the Yalta conference come from? Did you attend or did Stalin retell it to you?
    Joke.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 52
      +5
      Hello! Like, stenographed.
      1. VIP
        VIP 6 August 2020 16: 49
        +2
        Didn't Ben Gurion take shorthand?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 6 August 2020 17: 06
          +4
          Golda Meir)))).
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 18: 23
            +3
            Golda Meir

            He shouted - "There is a mistake! It's me - a Jew!"
            And to him: "Not too much here ... get out of the door!"
            drinks
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 August 2020 13: 59
    +5
    no one touched him with a finger
    I had a grandmother from the nobility on my paternal side, and from Yaroslavl merchants on my maternal side. I also haven't heard of someone being repressed ..
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 14: 07
      +6
      I had a grandmother from the nobility on my paternal side, and from Yaroslavl merchants on my maternal side. I also haven't heard of someone being repressed ..

      I had no nobles, but I never heard that any of my relatives were repressed. By the way, no one spoke badly about Stalin even once.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 6 August 2020 14: 10
        +8
        Iosif Vissarionovich was generally a great humanist .. From anecdotes:

        It is often complained that in Russia there are many Stalinists who consider Joseph Vissarionovich to be a brilliant manager and commander who didn’t shoot so much, but absolutely correctly!

        We must calm down, in Russia there are much more ardent anti-Stalinists who believe that this soft-spoken bastard did not shoot even a tenth of those who needed ...
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 14: 12
          +7
          Iosif Vissarionovich was generally a great humanist ..

          Pavel, Hitler's "Cossacks" and the Vlasovites got off relatively easily. request Albert-Krasnodar and I have already discussed somehow - the country needed people ... hi
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 6 August 2020 14: 16
            +5
            Here are the descendants of those who did not shoot us and then arranged an atatuy .. One of the main conclusions from that time to the future is that class enemies are not reforging themselves.
            1. VLR
              6 August 2020 14: 30
              +8
              Yes, when you see how many SS men, Bandera and "forest brothers" have survived to our time in Ukraine and the Baltic states, you are simply amazed at how kind-hearted and gentle person Joseph Vissarionovich was.
              1. VIP
                VIP 6 August 2020 16: 44
                +1
                "how kind-hearted and gentle man was Joseph Vissarionovich", and his "comrades from the Central Committee" were trampled, otherwise he would have bought them together with the "forest brothers"
                1. VLR
                  6 August 2020 18: 05
                  +3
                  Nobody hounded him, 100% stroke. Yes, and the "poison" was some kind of strange: it was so "poisoned" that he woke up, walked around the room, turned on and off the lights, looked at the newspapers ...
                  Well, if they hounded, it would not be so clumsy and clumsy, but for sure. It's just that no one wants to believe that a great man can die of "simple sickness": Alexandra
                  Macedonian must be poisoned with water from Styx, brought in a goat's trough, Napoleon must be poisoned with arsenic for a long time and persistently, and so on.
                  1. Astra wild
                    Astra wild 6 August 2020 21: 02
                    +1
                    Valery, out of harm: "brought in a goat trough" explain how you can lead in a goat trough?
                    By the way, I had a goat "Chichenka" and until it died (stretching) I fed and milked it. So I know a goat trough, do you?
                  2. VLR
                    6 August 2020 22: 00
                    +1
                    There was a legend that the Styx water dissolves everything, and you can only draw it in a goat's hoof.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 August 2020 14: 40
            +6
            Quote: paul3390
            Here are the descendants of those who did not shoot us and then arranged an atatuy .. One of the main conclusions from that time to the future is that class enemies are not reforging themselves.

            What does class enemies have to do with it? I am for every unskilled worker to have the opportunity to become a billionaire, and if not, to have decent wages and working conditions. These are not class enemies - they are just scum that spat on their people because of the change in power and order, some just out of a desire to survive.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 6 August 2020 14: 44
              +2
              I am for every unskilled worker to have the opportunity to become a billionaire, and if not, to have decent wages and working conditions.
              This is mriy .. Under capitalism - this will not happen. For this is the very essence of capitalism - squeezing out as much dough as possible from the workers. And no need to nod to the West - there it is a temporary phenomenon, under the influence of the USSR. Now he is gone - and the Eurogeans will soon be driven under the lock.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 02
                +4
                Quote: paul3390
                This is mriy .. Under capitalism - this will not happen. For this is the very essence of capitalism - squeezing out as much dough as possible from the workers. And no need to nod to the West - there it is a temporary phenomenon, under the influence of the USSR. Now he is gone - and the Eurogeans will soon be driven under the lock.
                Of course, there is no need to nod to the West - the minimum wage is constantly growing, medical care is improving, life expectancy is growing, and most importantly, all this is happening 30 years after the collapse of the USSR fellow As for a temporary phenomenon - even Trotsky said that "if we do not spread the revolution to the industrially developed countries, socialism in Russia will be a temporary phenomenon." He was right. hi
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 15: 11
                  +4
                  As for a temporary phenomenon - even Trotsky said that "if we do not spread the revolution to the industrially developed countries, socialism in Russia will be a temporary phenomenon." He was right.

                  Albert, to this conversation - there was nothing to spread but ideas. For military power was absent from the word "absolutely". Because the then (under Trotsky) RKKA and RKKF certainly could not be placed next to the armies of Europe and Japan. But the ideas were partly spread ... hi
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 57
                  +4
                  That is why Bronstein insisted on superindustrialization, however, remaining a realist, he was against the Polish Campaign. Stalin proceeded at a more adequate pace, everything was calculated, by and large, was correct, but force majeure with the rapid surrender of France quickly changed the long-term plan in the most fundamental way. The war began in 1941, the Red Army became ready for it only in 1943. As a result, of the industrially developed countries, only Czechoslovakia, East Germany and Slovenia were in the hands of the communists - and even that under Tito, as part of Yugoslavia.
                3. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 16: 07
                  +4
                  The war began in 1941, the Red Army became ready for it only in 1943.

                  As Molotov said, EMNIP, "Without the help of our allies, we would have been busy for another couple of years." Without idealizing Lend-Lease at all, do not forget about it. They supplied us with enough vehicles to raise the motorization of our army to a new level. soldier
                4. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 August 2020 16: 18
                  +4
                  This is understandable - and the quality of the cars was excellent! The problem is that in 1941 the USSR had to wage a difficult defensive war on its territory, and Aloizych would have had a "Western Front" ala WWI from 1940 to 43rd, a big question, as a result, the Italian, French, Austrian and the German People's Republics? And Scandinavian, in pursuit.
                5. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 16: 25
                  +4
                  And Scandinavian, in pursuit.

                  These - especially! laughing "Soviet Finns" Stalin and our military "ate" even during the Soviet-Finnish war. For some reason, Finnish workers and peasants really did not want Soviet peoples to go to the country ... request By the way, in terms of the quality of atrocities in relation to prisoners of war, the Finns were not inferior to the Germans, or even superior. For example, they loved to gouge out their eyes and burn them alive ... Well, etc. negative these ones certainly got off the cheapest one. angry
                  Although Stalin spoke at a meeting in 1940, if the Finns had not asked for peace, they would have received the Kuusinen government, "and it would have gutted them" (words of Iosif Vissarionovich).
                6. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 August 2020 16: 38
                  +4
                  So the Red Army and in France and Germany would never be greeted with joy - but it would have wink
                7. paul3390
                  paul3390 6 August 2020 19: 29
                  +3
                  Is not a fact. At that time there were plenty of communists in all countries, and they did not suffer from a lack of popularity. After the war, they in France and Italy almost came to power in the elections. If the Americans had not crushed them, we could have, say, the Italian SSR ... laughing
                8. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 6 August 2020 19: 38
                  +3
                  Yes, but the backbone of, say, French society was made up of Catholics - the bourgeois)).
                9. VIP
                  VIP 7 August 2020 14: 18
                  +1
                  We said "almost counts"
            2. Astra wild
              Astra wild 6 August 2020 19: 57
              +4
              I read that Kuusinen actively supported Khrushchev. And about Khrushchev, I have doubts, was he such a Leninist?
            3. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 6 August 2020 20: 04
              +4
              Khrushchev, for all his shortcomings:
              a) began to settle people in small, but separate apartments from barracks and communal apartments
              b) put the States in place in 1962
              c) During a visit to the States, I studied everything - farms, production, catering, etc. Something worthwhile introduced into the USSR, somewhere he did stupid things
            4. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 11: 01
              +2
              began to settle people in small-sized, but separate apartments from barracks and communal apartments

              in our area they have now begun to destroy the first one. Probably one of the oldest. Even the governor came ...
            5. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 12: 46
              +3
              She has already played her positive role)).
            6. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 13: 12
              +3
              She has already played her positive role)).

              I agree with you, Albert. In general, the housing issue has not yet been resolved, I think.
            7. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 13: 16
              +3
              Capitalism now - work, mine, take out a mortgage, get
            8. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 13: 17
              +2
              Capitalism now - work, mine, take out a mortgage, get

              well yes....
            9. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 13: 21
              +3
              In Krasnodar, take a one-room apartment from a developer for 800 thousand - demobilized, learned to be a welder, live with your parents, saved up for the first installment for two years - and at 22 you already own your own one-room apartment. Che is bad?
            10. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 13: 29
              +2
              In Krasnodar, take a one-room apartment from the developer for 800 thousand

              ours is more expensive ... True, Peter, too, is already beginning to resemble rubber in some directions.
            11. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 13: 38
              +1
              It is clear that it is more expensive - so you have higher salaries and more work
            12. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 13: 58
              +3
              It is clear that it is more expensive - so you have higher salaries and more work

              you can't pump up two cities in the country with people and finances like that.
            13. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 01
              +2
              Well, it's like saying "you can't pump people and money in New York and Los Angeles." laughing
            14. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 14: 06
              +2
              Well, it's like saying "you can't pump people and money in New York and Los Angeles."

              I don’t know, I wasn’t. laughing
            15. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 21
              +2
              I haven't been either - but in every country there are at least two such cities laughing
            16. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 14: 39
              +2
              I haven't been either - but in every country there are at least two such cities

              in the Vatican - no! laughing drinks but there are probably two cathedrals.
            17. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 39
              +2
              Wasn't too laughing But the dough is there ...
            18. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 14: 45
              +2
              But the dough is there ...

              Uh-huh ... I don't know how in synagogues and mosques ... But now I'm just afraid to say a couple of gentle ones about the church. I hope I won't hurt anyone's "feelings".
            19. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 57
              +2
              The funny thing is that the Founder of the Church expelled the merchants from the Temple)).
            20. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 01
              +2
              The funny thing is that the Founder of the Church expelled the merchants from the Temple)).

              Yeah, he is at their door, and they are at the window back ... The best business in the world. request
            21. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 15: 13
              +2
              No, the Temple was destroyed. I agree that religion is a business that has little to do with faith in the Creator. Human Institute. Nevertheless, religion has a lot of good things - family values, traditions, etc.
            22. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 21
              +3
              Nevertheless, religion has a lot of good things - family values, traditions, etc.

              In religion itself, as in a phenomenon - yes, of course. But I sometimes doubt the reputation of those who have arrogated to themselves the role of intermediaries. Sorry, this is my personal.
            23. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 15: 24
              +3
              You are right in doubt - mediators are people, no more)).
            24. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 17: 14
              +1
              You are right in your doubts - intermediaries are people, no more

              What do you think, if Santa Claus behaves well, he will receive a gift? what
            25. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 17: 27
              +1
              Unlike Santa, Sasha Gray can read two books at the same time.
            26. Phil77
              Phil77 7 August 2020 17: 33
              +2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              can read two books at the same time.

              And the books are so funny, playful. lol
              A hard worker!
            27. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 7 August 2020 17: 42
              +1
              Mnogostanochnitsa, however
          3. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 17: 34
            +2
            Unlike Santa, Sasha Gray can read two books at the same time.

            No doubt a very talented girl! good Exceptionally Talented! fellow drinks
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 August 2020 17: 09
    +1
    Well, yes - almost all of us are already middle class, because we get more than 17 tyrs! sad The well-being of Russian citizens is growing under the wise guidance of their native guarantor! wink
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 17: 13
    +5
    I'm talking about the scenario of a trench war a la WWI in 1940 between the French, Britons and the Germans and a hypothetical strike against the Nazis in 1943 with a further throw to the English Channel or how the Americans would agree. It seems to me that this is what Stalin was counting on to spread the revolution to Western Europe.
    As for the native guarantor - look at the thieving and venality of the population - has he got to do with it? On the contrary, he drove patriotism into everyone laughing
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 August 2020 17: 16
    +5
    I do not think that Comrade Stalin planned the spread of communism exclusively by military methods ...

    “Comrade Stalin sets a great task - to achieve a 5-hour working day. If we achieve this, then it will be a great coup. At nine I began work - at 2 o'clock it was already over, without a break.

    I had lunch - and free time. We will bypass capitalism on this one, they cannot do that, give them a profit, and give them the workers - but how can the Russians live well in 5 hours?

    No, give us socialism and Soviet Power too, we also want to live like people. This will be the peaceful offensive of communism. "

    “Communism is possible if the number of communists grows in life, not for fear, not for a bonus, but for conscience - those who are interested in working and living, who know how to work and relax, but not like that, on dances, but with a soul, to develop. "

    “Sport is a must for everyone; if the working day is 5 hours - enough for everything, you will have to study all your life. 10 years have passed - sit down again for a couple of months at the desk, remember history, geography. And if you know - pass the exam and walk for these two months. We don't need ignoramuses, we need communists without exception, but what kind of communist are you if you don't know anything and clutch at your heart at forty? We didn't have time, but you have, come on, develop, dear, Soviet Power gave you, use it and strengthen it yourself. "

    "And so - all over the world"

    From the records of L.P. Beria.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 17: 21
    +3
    That was a dreamer)).
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 August 2020 17: 24
    +4
    You cannot try to build communism without being a dreamer. For he is the dream of mankind ... and it is better than the dream of stealing a billion, dumping it into the Bahamas and living there among mulatto women and bananas ..
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 47
    +4
    And she's better than a dream to steal a billion, dump it in the Bahamas and live there among mulatto women and bananas ..

    Well said. good Stealing a billion is not our method, but I really liked it about mulatto women ... wink
  • paul3390
    paul3390 6 August 2020 17: 54
    +4
    I had no doubt.. laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 17: 58
    +3
    I had no doubt..

    Pavel, with your light hand, now I, like a dreamer (!) - break the template! laughing drinks No billion - no mulattos! request And "mulatto women" are very much welcomed by normal male health ... winked Eeeeh .... Give me a billion, someone thread ... repeat On a mulatto - a noble cause! stop
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 20: 06
    +2
    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    I had no doubt..

    Pavel, with your light hand, now I, like a dreamer (!) - break the template! laughing drinks No billion - no mulattos! request And "mulatto women" are very much welcomed by normal male health ... winked Eeeeh .... Give me a billion, someone thread ... repeat On a mulatto - a noble cause! stop

    After the pandemic, go to Brazil, order a mulatto every day drinks
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 09: 32
    +2
    order yourself a mulatto every day

    I think it's cheaper in Cuba! wink drinks
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 12: 45
    +2
    People who know say no)).
  • Phil77
    Phil77 7 August 2020 12: 58
    +2
    Good day, friends! And why the Institute of Friendship of Peoples? And the parishioners there, it will be differently cheaper. wink
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 13: 17
    +2
    Quote: Phil77
    Good day, friends! And why the Institute of Friendship of Peoples? And the parishioners there, it will be differently cheaper. wink

    It's free, and whatever is free is more expensive
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 04
    +1
    It's free, and whatever is free is more expensive

    Yeah, then either get treatment or get married. We are not considering the option of "suing". laughing drinks
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 13: 13
    +2
    People who know say no

    Was only in the Dominican Republic, but did not use paid ventures. Excursions only. wink
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 13: 17
    +2
    Were mulatto women in the excursion program?
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 13: 20
    +2
    Were mulatto women in the excursion program?

    When there was an excursion to the Dominican outback, we were accompanied by a whole ensemble of young people - boys and girls. In between the sights, they sang and danced. It was delivered very well - and they feel good, and we are pleased.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 13: 22
    +2
    Generally great)).
  • VIP
    VIP 7 August 2020 14: 14
    +3
    The weakest Rio to wave?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 14: 18
    +2
    No, not weak, but I am indifferent to mulatto women - I like redheads and blondes.
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 05
    +2
    The weakest Rio to wave?

    I read somewhere that it is better not to go to the favelas there. Either they are wearing it, or worse. wink
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 15: 11
    +2
    I am sure that in St. Petersburg there are also areas where a tourist or just an intelligent person should not go laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 17
    +2
    I am sure that in St. Petersburg there are also areas where a tourist or just an intelligent person should not go

    If there is, then I do not go to such places. You need to sleep at night. bully
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 15: 25
    +2
    And what can a tourist look for in the favelas at night? )))
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 26
    +2
    And what can a tourist look for in the favelas at night? )))

    Huge fat adventures on the fifth point. fellow laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 15: 40
    +2
    That is, at least mulattoes? lol
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 44
    +2
    That is, at least mulattoes?

    from how many mulattoes does their mulatto minimum begin? lol here it is - the power of the comma, at first I didn't really smell the phrase, Albert! drinks yes, at least, a crowd of mulattoes, and all without exception with drekol and other shock-crushing. laughing
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 16: 39
    +2
    And what can a tourist look for in the favelas at night? )))

    If the soul asks for adventure, you can find anything you want. But on your ass. wassat
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 7 August 2020 16: 40
    +1
    Oh, he’s lucky he’s not a proctologist
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 16: 42
    +2
    Oh, he’s lucky he’s not a proctologist

    - Soooo ... And now - how many fingers? fellow
    - De ... de ... de ... wushka, and B-you are exactly a proctologist? !! belay
  • Phil77
    Phil77 7 August 2020 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Oh, he’s lucky he’s not a proctologist

    Aha! So about this specialization you need?
    Frets!
    * -Doctor! This is my first prostate massage, I am very worried. Where should I put my pants?
    -Pants? Yes on the chair next to mine. * request
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 17: 03
    +1
    "Trousers? Yes, on the chair next to mine."

    I look, your Kind Doctor, Sergei is too intricate! wink
    from medicine:

    I suspect a bear could have cured constipation then ... easily ... belay
  • Phil77
    Phil77 7 August 2020 17: 08
    +1
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    I see that you have a very intricate Good Doctor, Sergey

    This is professional! Here's another from the early.
    * Colleague, are you an expert in what field of medicine?
    -Proctologist.
    -And I'm a gynecologist, neighbors mean? * yes
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 17: 11
    +1
    neighbors means

    step brothers. laughing drinks
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 20: 25
    +2
    Give a billion, someone thread ...
    I'll pay you back in Iranian rials.
    Feel like a millionaire! laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 22: 57
    +3
    Eeee, why slander the Iranian way of life under the most Righteous Power in the World, yeah ??
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 20: 15
    +2
    "Wherever they say,
    All one, will bring to women! "(C) laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 17: 58
    +3
    And what is not bad too laughing
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 20: 30
    +3
    Yet again! Revising the film "The Wolf of Wall Street". Basically, it's all bullshit, but the final scene is brilliant !!!
  • Engineer
    Engineer 6 August 2020 20: 42
    +3
    Why is this bullshit?
    A film with good overtones, especially if you remember about the "American Dream"
    By the way, good films are said to shape reality. I heard several times that the creators of Vkontakte were very inspired by them.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 21: 36
    +2
    Note, however, that the Vkontakte project was launched in 2006, and the film in question was filmed in 2013.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 6 August 2020 21: 39
    +2
    I'm not talking about creating a product. And about building a specific corporate culture))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 21: 53
    +2
    Well, the works of S. Minaev are also the result of building a specific corporate culture ...
  • Engineer
    Engineer 6 August 2020 21: 58
    +3
    So in a similar sense, they were inspired.)
    It's just that the film has an outer layer - booze, girls, substances, burning of life. Durov's throwing five-thousandth bills out of the window from the same opera.
    There is a deeper problem of choice, personality decay, betrayal of the "American Dream"
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 22: 07
    +3
    There is a deeper problem of choice, personality decay, betrayal of the "American Dream"
    I strongly agree! That's why I think the final scene is brilliant!
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 22: 39
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Well, the works of S. Minaev are also the result of building a specific corporate culture ...

    Minaev's works are a left-handed naive retelling of other people's adventures and lives laughing Although there are pearls there, such as getting rid of a random girl in the morning, who, swearing, grabbing her tights and shoes into an armful, runs out of the apartment and, before the elevator doors curse, hears:
    "Barefoot and simple-haired you step into this harsh path ... I would have crossed you, but I am a Jew ..." laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 22: 32
    +3
    Where does the prototype represent DiCaprio?
  • Engineer
    Engineer 6 August 2020 19: 40
    +2
    ... One of the main conclusions from that time to the future

    One of the main conclusions is that if it is impossible without executions in any way and there are not enough of them all the time, then the problem is in those who shoot, and not in those who are executed.
  • VLR
    6 August 2020 14: 19
    +8
    I know only one person whose relatives were repressed, and I cannot give a guarantee that this is not the case. The fact is that at that time a lot of bribe-takers, embezzlers, "werewolves in uniform" and so on were convicted under anti-Soviet articles - as pests. And then, during Perestroika, Yakovlev's commission began to rehabilitate them in bulk.
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      1. paul3390
        paul3390 6 August 2020 14: 35
        +4
        That is why I always believed that the USSR - the Second World War, alas, lost .. Having lost a critical number of 4 million convinced literate communists who would have been alive - hell would have allowed Khrushch to loose his girdle .. And there would probably not have been further stagnation. And the USSR would not just exist now, but at the moment it would have already driven the bourgeois under the bunk and might have already flown to the stars ..
        1. VLR
          6 August 2020 14: 42
          +7
          Yes, this is the trouble, that on the fronts the best died or became disabled and dropped out of active social life, and the worst - cowards and opportunists, hid in the rear and survived.
          D. Samoilov wrote about that generation:
          "They made noise in the lush forest,
          They had faith and trust.
          And they were knocked out with iron,
          And there is no forest - only trees. "
          ...
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 6 August 2020 17: 59
            +1
            Not all disabled people fell out .. Here is Orlovsky's letter to Comrade Stalin - very, very typical for those People .. It's a pity - the new generation is often not in the know ..

            https://nstarikov.ru/pismo-stalinu-ot-geroya-sssr-orlovsko-66530
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 18: 30
              +3
              Not all disabled people fell out ..

              In one of my favorite cities to visit - Polotsk - there is a museum-apartment of Zinaida Tusnolobova. Having lost her arms and legs, she benefited the Motherland even in this state. By the way, she gave birth to two children in this state. soldier here it is - PEOPLE were!
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild 6 August 2020 19: 41
          +1
          actually the world's first cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin, would "fly to the stars".
          I consider it symbolic that Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was the creator of the FIRST SOVIET STATE IN THE WORLD, and the communist Gagarin paved the way to
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 August 2020 14: 45
        +4
        According to the same communist grandfather, who did not like Khrushchev's exposure, the attack should have gone with the shout "For the Motherland, for Stalin." And "try not to shout. ".
        And according to the Doctors' Case, all of my problems with work were, even with a Russian grandmother who was married to a Jewish communist. It is a fact. They ended after Stalin's death.
        1. VLR
          6 August 2020 14: 51
          +3
          Well, actually, Zhdanov's ECG, which Timashuk described, had a real myocardial infarction, no one denies this now. And the question is interesting: was Zhdanov really killed, or our leading academicians, in fact, were so illiterate that they could not read the ECG? And the only standing specialist who was later persecuted was Lydia Timashuk?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 08
            +4
            Isaac Asimov was infected with HIV in the early 80s during a banal CABG (EMNIP), and in one of the best American clinics. What's next? To transfer the human factor of some doctors to millers, pharmacists, librarians and court translators (I'm writing about my relatives), and on a national basis ?? Complete nonsense!
            1. VLR
              6 August 2020 15: 25
              +2
              No, of course, it's just that the question about Zhdanov is very interesting. Who treated him - doo..ki or scoundrels?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 35
                +3
                I did not study Zhdanov's question. From what I read, in addition to heart problems, he also had type 2 diabetes mellitus (pathogenesis - increased blood glucose levels). As for the level of medicine at that time - maybe there were do ,,, cancers, maybe scoundrels, maybe they showed negligence, maybe there was an instruction from above to score on the patient - who knows?
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 6 August 2020 18: 07
          +3
          the attack should have gone with a shout "For the Motherland, for Stalin." And "try not to shout."


          Now imagine how people rise to their death from the trench "For the Motherland! For Putin!" ... Or God forbid, for Medvedev or Sechin there .. Doesn't it come out? So I can't even imagine - there is not enough imagination .. That means that the leaders of them are crappy .. And their power is also crappy ..
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 August 2020 18: 17
            +5
            I cannot imagine in modern war any shouting during an attack - there are dashes from bush to corner, from corner to stone))
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 6 August 2020 18: 21
              0
              When the high-point is over - and it will end in a week or two after the start of the war, not a nuclear one, of course, both attacks and T-34s from the storerooms will be used ..
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 August 2020 18: 43
                +4
                What high point? laughing
                An ordinary battle with a rifle against a rifle)).
              2. VIP
                VIP 6 August 2020 22: 06
                +3
                "T-34 from the storerooms" T-34 in the storerooms have already run out. There is "younger" full
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 August 2020 22: 42
                +1
                And what is younger - they will weld on it iron strips and fill the space between them and the armor with sandbags. laughing For such a miracle will be burned by ordinary infantry and very quickly
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 6 August 2020 21: 21
            +4
            Exactly! When there is a scream on the air, it means "something went wrong." When the screaming starts on the "front end" - the operation failed!
        3. Astra wild
          Astra wild 6 August 2020 21: 31
          +1
          Pavel, purely out of harm, it is not written in the Charter that one must shout: "For the Motherland, for Putin," which means they will not shout.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 7 August 2020 12: 47
            +1
            And if it is, for example, the shock regiment of the United Russia *? Or all the fighters with the party membership card of the aforementioned party? soldier wink
            1. Astra wild
              Astra wild 7 August 2020 15: 27
              0
              Sergey, 1) The Armed Forces stand outside politics, at least it should be so.
              2) "shock regiment" Edenorosov "," shock regiment of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Liberal Democratic Party, and they, what will they shout? Can you imagine what the mess will be? Any madhouse is resting.
              3) the son says that "United Russia" is not popular among officers, and the Communist Party is ranked even lower.
              They respect Stalin, but do not want to return the old. V.V. is generally respected.
              So your guess is in flight
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 6 August 2020 20: 34
    +3
    Nice topic for a "loop"!
    My compliments, Valery! Thanks for your hard work!
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 6 August 2020 14: 20
    +6
    Quote: Pan Kohanku

    I had no nobles, but I never heard that any of my relatives were repressed. By the way, no one spoke badly about Stalin even once.

    Both grandfathers of the front-line soldier - one (a communist) said that under his leadership they won the war and Khrushchev “started all this in vain”, the other did not say anything bad (intelligence), just waved his hand - like nothing good.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 6 August 2020 14: 49
      +5
      Both grandfathers of the front-line soldier - one (a communist) said that under his leadership they won the war and Khrushchev “started all this in vain”, the other did not say anything bad (intelligence), just waved his hand - like nothing good.

      My cousin Lelik (Anton knows him, by the way) had his paternal grandfather as a tanker! And a Jew! wink I'm 190 height, grandfather Lenya, if he was shorter, then not much, but he looked more monumental. How he fit into the "thirty-four", I can't imagine. He fought, EMNIP, since 1942, was hit several times and got out of a burning car. He lived for a long time, by the way - until 2007. The textured man was! soldier
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 August 2020 15: 11
        +4
        Communist grandfather - infantry, volunteer, Kursk Bulge, minor injury, appendicitis, self-propelled guns (or tank commanders?) Courses - war with Japan, Su-100.
        Intelligence grandfather - infantry, encirclement, translator, reconnaissance, injury, translator.
        Grandma is a radio operator, in my opinion, the headquarters. War with the Japanese.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 August 2020 20: 08
    +3
    Quote: paul3390
    no one touched him with a finger
    I had a grandmother from the nobility on my paternal side, and from Yaroslavl merchants on my maternal side. I also haven't heard of someone being repressed ..

    Quote: Pan Kohanku
    I had a grandmother from the nobility on my paternal side, and from Yaroslavl merchants on my maternal side. I also haven't heard of someone being repressed ..

    I had no nobles, but I never heard that any of my relatives were repressed. By the way, no one spoke badly about Stalin even once.

    My maternal great-grandfather was repressed. He himself was a Chebarkul Cossack. Lived in Kasigach. He had a mill, a bell shop. In civil war he fought for both whites and reds. In the 30s he was one of the first to join the collective farm, instead of the owner he became the director of the mill. By the way, there are parallels with Nikolai, he was married to a Chuvash. After his arrest, neither his great-grandmother nor 6 children were touched. Mom and grandmother hid the contract, although the grandfather was not allowed to serve from 1938 to 1953 in the NKVD troops. And his daughter, my mother, work in the police.
    So, somewhere like that. Without emotion, I myself am fine with Stalin. Life is a difficult thing, the second paternal grandfather in his youth plowed on the White Sea Canal, and this was under his father, the chairman of the village council and a former security officer. I did not hear a bad word from him about Stalin.
    Respectfully, I ask you to interfere in the dialogue.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 6 August 2020 19: 17
    +1
    Three of me were repressed. My father, he is from Moldova, his father was expelled in 1940. For what I do not know.
    My mother's great-grandfather was one of the first Red Guards in Novosibirsk. My grandmother said that he was a handsome man and married a beautiful woman, was supposed to head the railway depot, but there were envious people and .... he was accused of being a Polish spy. Mom's aunt was also convicted, it seems, for an anecdote. But I don't know for sure
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 6 August 2020 14: 29
    +3
    Valeriy, I am happy that you continue to feed us with "sweets". I regret not having seen your first part. Work, and then stayed at the "kid"
    1. VLR
      6 August 2020 14: 32
      +4
      Well it's not too late to read smile
  • VIP
    VIP 6 August 2020 16: 30
    +2
    Valery, as Ukrainian historians now explain the dog on the chain. Was he ruthless to the enemy like a dog?
    1. VLR
      6 August 2020 18: 11
      +1
      They, in my opinion, try not to pay attention to this dog.
    2. Byurer
      Byurer 7 August 2020 13: 36
      +3
      This is, in fact, the "Pobug" coat of arms, popular in the Commonwealth, used by more than a hundred gentry and magnate families, including, for example, the Konetspolskys, was also found in the Moscow kingdom. And this is the family coat of arms of the Kononovichs (Konashevichs), where does the author get the information that Sigismund Vaza gave the coat of arms and gentry to Sagaidachny himself, I do not know, the available information indicates the hetman's gentry origin
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 6 August 2020 19: 29
    +1
    Quote: VlR
    Well it's not too late to read smile

    Thanks for permission. I will definitely read it.
    You and Vyacheslav Olegovich are the brightest authors now. You can be re-read by the method of times
  • raif
    raif 7 August 2020 00: 55
    0
    hehe, as the author modestly kept silent about the very active participation of "free goat lizars" in an attempt to collapse the Russian state as part of the troops of the Poles and Tatars during the Time of Troubles.
    but this "opus" is generally amazing: "... the Cossack communities survived in a hostile environment - between the hammer of the Islamic world and the anvil of the Christian world." Panov Cossacks were pagans al Buddhists? laughing the author from the Verkhovna Rada is not paid extra yet?
    1. VLR
      7 August 2020 07: 18
      0
      Even interesting, do you always read everything from the middle?
      1. VIP
        VIP 7 August 2020 13: 26
        +4
        Sometimes they read and do not understand or do not want to understand
      2. raif
        raif 8 August 2020 00: 28
        +1
        and on the case have something to say? something about the robbery of Russia in the Time of Troubles is "modestly" mentioned in one sentence.
        and so yes - what about the catchphrase on the theme of "hammer and anvil"? To whom, in the end, did the "knights" relate by religion?
        Schaub fell asleep to the author of the tales, read the whole article twice. a beautiful compilation of fairy tales from Soviet perestroika times - a solid "5".
  • Phil77
    Phil77 7 August 2020 13: 43
    +1
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    Excursions only.

    Rum? Tank on the beach? bully
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 7 August 2020 15: 15
      +1
      Rum? Tank on the beach?

      There were no tanks. request And the rum ..... oh, excellent! good drinks
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 9 August 2020 10: 07
    0
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    1. The Cossacks are an estate, I agree.

    Cossack mother gave birth, man - wife, chernets - panimatka. repeat