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Polish media suggested that US Army soldiers would be outside the scope of Polish law

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The Polish media reported that the American servicemen deployed in Poland during the withdrawal from Germany will be in the country "outside the framework of Polish law." The Onet edition came out with material stating that Polish jurisdiction will not be valid for all American military personnel in Poland. In other words, the US military is free to do whatever they want, as long as it somehow complies with US law.


This publication caused a reaction in the Polish Ministry of Defense. Minister Mariusz Blaszczak said that the reporters "distorted the real facts."
Blashchak:

Information about the principles of the deployment of American troops in Poland does not correspond to reality.

At the same time, the minister did not provide any documents that would unequivocally regulate the jurisdiction of the US Army personnel on Polish territory.

Against this background, the statement of the American ambassador to Poland is being discussed, which (statement) reads as follows:

Good news! The United States and Poland have completed negotiations on a Joint Declaration on Defense Cooperation (EDCA), which will embody the common vision of our presidents on the foundations of a US military presence in Poland.

Good for whom? For Poland or for the USA?

In Poland itself, this document has not yet been published.

To understand the essence of the "jurisdiction" of American troops in Poland, it is enough to look at examples from the Baltic countries. There, the soldiers of the US Army clearly allow themselves more than is allowed by local laws, up to the beating of local residents during drunken clashes. But at the same time, representatives of the American military contingent do not bear any serious punishments.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 3 August 2020 17: 23 New
    +6
    So they will behave in a boorish way, however, as elsewhere ... beware of Polish flower beds and ladies!
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 3 August 2020 17: 30 New
      +7
      Yes, even if Polish law had been in effect, they wouldn't have followed it. Well this can be seen in all countries. where there are American troops. Why then all these announcements, give at least some of their significance or what ???
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 4 August 2020 06: 55 New
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        What kind of Polish legislation can there be over "defenders of peace and democracy"! There is only the Heavenly Office!
        1. vVvAD
          vVvAD 4 August 2020 15: 12 New
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          Yes sir!
          The Americans, in principle, do not place their bases without an agreement on the immunity of their servicemen before the national laws of the host countries - they will also consult with the Bantustans!
          American court is the fairest court in the world! Hurray, comrades !!!
          And for our own, and even for enemies - even more so wink
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 3 August 2020 17: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      So they will behave in a boorish way, however, as elsewhere ... beware of Polish flower beds and ladies!

      Modern Poles wanted an American "roof" from Russia ?! Called their troops for protection?
      Get everything and to the fullest!
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 4 August 2020 02: 23 New
        +2
        Foreign Minister Mariusz Blaszczak said that the reporters "distorted the real facts."

        Reporters are telling the truth, and Polish Foreign Minister Blaszczak is lying to the people like Goebbels.

        Soldiers of the US Army will definitely be in Poland outside the framework of Polish law - just like they are in all countries of their stay, not only in the Baltic States, but also in Japan, etc. And at the expense of the host country.
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 4 August 2020 13: 23 New
          +1
          Exactly so Tatiana. !
    3. kulinar
      kulinar 4 August 2020 07: 16 New
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      Only when these "defenders" are swept aside into a hospital bed, as it was in Ventspils, then the hi is raised to heaven!
      Then the mayor of the city, Lembergs, stood up for the guys. Having provided the command with video recordings of the piggy behavior of subordinates. For some time Ventspils was excluded from the cities where the exercises were held.
      Lithuanians do not melt away either. The local contingent receives people on a permanent basis, despite the rotation.
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  3. Poetry
    Poetry 3 August 2020 17: 39 New
    +4
    "Friends" have the right to behave in a bestial manner.
  4. Kurare
    Kurare 3 August 2020 17: 47 New
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    To understand the essence of the "jurisdiction" of American troops in Poland, it is enough to look at examples from the Baltic countries. There, the soldiers of the US Army clearly allow themselves more than is allowed by local laws, up to the beating of local residents during drunken clashes. But at the same time, representatives of the American military contingent do not bear any serious punishments.

    This is not entirely true, or rather, not at all true. Indeed, ALL US Army soldiers do not fall under the jurisdiction of the state in which they are located. Those. they can be detained by local law enforcement agencies, but then immediately placed under the custody of the military police.

    In case of serious offenses, the military is either sent home, out of harm's way, or, for example, can be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan with a cut in privileges. Dishonourably discharged dismissal from the military is also possible, without any pension or benefits.

    There were cases, for example in Okinawa, when a rapist or a murderer was justified so as not to "stain the uniform" of the gallant occupants.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 August 2020 18: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Kurare
      There were cases, for example in Okinawa, when a rapist or a murderer was justified so as not to "stain the uniform" of the gallant occupants.

      Zachary Hatfield, premeditated murder at Manas airbase, smuggled to USA, acquitted
      The Kyrgyz prosecutor's office is sure that this is a premeditated murder
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 August 2020 21: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Zachary Hatfield, premeditated murder at Manas airbase, smuggled to USA, acquitted
        The Kyrgyz prosecutor's office is sure that this is a premeditated murder

        well, the Americans are like "Caesar's wife" ...
        According to Sones, an investigation into the tragic incident was carried out in America, a trial was held over Hatfield, however, the jury did not find him guilty, as, in their opinion, the amount of information in this case and evidence is insufficient. At the same time, Zachary Hatfield is not currently in the ranks of the US Army, Sones said.

        This is not a Negro for it is not clear what to judge ...
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 3 August 2020 19: 56 New
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      Quote: Kurare
      ALL US Army soldiers are not subject to the jurisdiction of the state in which they are located

      It's just that the authorities of the states in which the US military personnel are located do not have the opportunity to contradict the US government. As they say, a slave has no right to vote.
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 3 August 2020 20: 40 New
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      Quote: Kurare
      This is not entirely true, or rather, not at all true. Indeed, ALL US Army soldiers do not fall under the jurisdiction of the state

      Usually, when military personnel are stationed at foreign military bases, diplomatic immunity is extended to them. Almost everyone uses this measure. For example, our troops in Syria are also protected by diplomatic immunity. Why this is a discovery for the Poles is not clear. Apparently they are not sharpened in these topics. From VIKI - "..... On August 26, 2015, Russia and Syria signed an Agreement on the deployment of an aviation group of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on Syrian territory, according to which the air group, at the request of the Syrian government, is deployed on the territory Syrian Arab Republic indefinitely, the Khmeimim airfield is transferred to the Russian side free of charge. All weapons, ammunition, equipment and materials are imported into Syria without fees, duties and any inspection. The personnel of the air group receives diplomatic status ..... "
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 3 August 2020 23: 43 New
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        Quote: Hagen
        Quote: Kurare
        This is not entirely true, or rather, not at all true. Indeed, ALL US Army soldiers do not fall under the jurisdiction of the state

        Usually, when military personnel are stationed at foreign military bases, diplomatic immunity is extended to them ...

        Probably, the Russian Federation has agreed with the SAR, but Kurare's colleague is right: the Americans, when placing theirs, “offer” the receiving party to sign an agreement, which stipulates the withdrawal of the American military from local jurisdiction, that in Japan, the Baltic states, we are looking for a ton of examples ...... And this is not a diplomatic status - it is precisely not a punishment for criminal acts under local laws.
        Here is a colleague described everything in two phrases lol
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Their troops were called ... Get everything and to the fullest!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 4 August 2020 06: 30 New
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          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Probably the Russian Federation has agreed with the SAR, but Kurare's colleague is right: the Americans, by placing theirs, “offer” the host party to sign an agreement, which stipulates the withdrawal of the American military from local jurisdiction

          Can you give an agreement, or a link? About immunity, see below ... You can comment with your version.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 4 August 2020 15: 26 New
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            Quote: Hagen
            You can bring the contract ...

            I understand that before you were not interested in the issue of placing amerovsky soldiers abroad. Sorry, but google to help you. To make it easier to read, type the Baltic delfi, an interview with the mayor of Ventspils - it is difficult to accuse him of Russophilia, and there you will find a mention of the agreement. If you speak languages, then take an interest in the attitude of the Japanese, Iraqis, about all kinds of "Visegrad", I don't even remember - they themselves are glad ...
      2. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 4 August 2020 00: 09 New
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        Diplomatic status and immunity from local laws are two different things. Read what diplomatic status is. This is, in the presence of DS, it is punishable -

        DS or Dip. immunity is the ability to have the inviolability of political activity, property and the subject himself. If a "diplomat", for example, is caught at the scene of a crime, in such cases immunity does not work, but the country's constitution works.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 4 August 2020 06: 28 New
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          Quote: Senka Mad
          Diplomatic status and immunity from local laws are two different things.

          Diplomatic immunity (from the Latin immunitas "independence; non-commitment") is the removal of its beneficiary (carrier) from the jurisdiction of the host state.
          Do you disagree? Your version ...
  5. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 3 August 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    Everything is correct. Since when does a master have to obey slave norms?
  6. bar
    bar 3 August 2020 18: 15 New
    +1
    American soldiers will be in the country "outside the scope of Polish law

    Did the pshek have to shorten their ambition? But how did they breathe laughing
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 August 2020 18: 24 New
    +1
    As in Japan, they will massively "inseminate" Poles, tuning their husbands' horns. .. wassat
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 August 2020 19: 14 New
      +4
      How would they not begin to "inseminate" husbands. laughing These Western "values" are so unpredictable.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 3 August 2020 19: 20 New
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        Prisoner hi - US lawyers will invent a new term to protect their rapists, such as - "voluntary and forced filtration of the opponent's rectum, in the framework of improving the relations of the owners with the natives" wassat
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 3 August 2020 20: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      As in Japan, they will massively "inseminate" Poles, tuning their husbands' horns. ..

      If they pay, the Poles will not mind. When the Ukrainian fascists guarding the prisoners in Auschwitz left the "zone" to rest, the Polish men of the surrounding villages drove their wives and daughters to them, because the guards paid for "love" with gold teeth torn from prisoners. This is normal for Poles wassat
    3. DominickS
      DominickS 4 August 2020 05: 28 New
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      Carry the seeds of democracy laughing
  8. Victorio
    Victorio 3 August 2020 18: 57 New
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    leaves the Germans wrong., investing in Poland. although, and for sure, they have already received theirs.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 3 August 2020 21: 32 New
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      And here, still how to look. The Germans are still thoughtful. They could have planted a Polish slut with a specialist in exchange for their wife, even if they paid for it from their own pocket.
  9. Tusv
    Tusv 3 August 2020 19: 04 New
    +1
    What do you want, Panova? The military is the military. Its own prosecutor's office, its own police. According to the civilian Criminal Code, the best soldier will shine for a thousand years. And the Americans do not protect the Poles from Us. They protect them from the opposition. God forbid, not a notorious Russophobe will come to power, but a completely normal type Of freedom... Wojciech Jaruzelski
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 August 2020 19: 06 New
    +1
    This is called occupation, and not what you, gentlemen Poles, attributed to the units of the USSR Armed Forces. hi Bread on health with a full spoon.
  11. fa2998
    fa2998 3 August 2020 19: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Hunter 2
    So they will behave rudely,

    In all countries of the "third" world, they do not obey local laws. Asia, the Baltic States, Oceania-Poland thereby emphasize that they belong to this world.
  12. AB
    AB 3 August 2020 20: 09 New
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    just look at examples from the Baltic countries

    Referring to the Baltic states, the author probably is not aware of what they are doing in Japan and South Korea and how they avoid responsibility. True psheks are not Asians or Balts. Showdown will be in full, without the involvement of the law.
  13. iouris
    iouris 3 August 2020 20: 12 New
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    They suggested. Are they completely naive? Everything was clearer from Duda's photograph in Trump's office.
  14. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 August 2020 20: 16 New
    +2
    The Polish media reported that the American servicemen deployed in Poland during the withdrawal from Germany will be in the country "outside the framework of Polish law"
    oh, you fools, mattresses and so drink on all the laws, I remember that the Kyrgyz in the cante banged a man and sent everyone to a known address, the Japs regularly raped their women
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 3 August 2020 22: 31 New
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      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      I remember that the Kirghiz in the cante banged a peasant and sent everyone to a known address,

      Not in Kant, but here:
      [media = https: //lenta.ru/articles/2006/12/07/shot/]
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 August 2020 08: 20 New
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        in Manas I have been confused for a long time
  15. Tank hard
    Tank hard 3 August 2020 22: 27 New
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    As in Kyrgyzstan at one time, the US State Department will demand "diplomatic immunity" for its soldiers. That at one time allowed them to shoot a driver-citizen of Kyrgyzstan with impunity. Who is surprised by this?
  16. PValery53
    PValery53 3 August 2020 23: 18 New
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    Usually the invaders do not comply with the laws of the host country. Now Poland will take a comfortable position and begin to enjoy the "pleasure" it was striving for. And in the event of a military crisis, it will receive "indescribable feelings" from Russia.
  17. razved
    razved 3 August 2020 23: 23 New
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    Of course outside the framework, they are the military of an exceptional country and an exceptional nation am Somewhere like this has already happened ...
  18. musorg
    musorg 4 August 2020 12: 56 New
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    So they will do what they like! So psheks have not yet experienced this joy. Ask the Japanese, they don't know how to get rid of this joy!
  19. Wolf
    Wolf 4 August 2020 13: 32 New
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    Esli invited Poland to a foreign army on his land, in fact, this is an occupation, and the occupation is never good for the local population or for the country. And how will the minister explain this to the people? Pa, since these Polak made lie in Gebel's way, and the people owe it like a cow mukat MU MU MU! smile
    Quoting Tanyushe:
    Reporters are telling the truth, and Polish Foreign Minister Blaszczak is lying to the people like Goebbels
  20. NF68
    NF68 4 August 2020 15: 52 New
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    As in Okinawa.