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Turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano may show in Kiev

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Turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano may show in Kiev

In the framework of the XII International Aviation and Space Salon "Aviasvit XXI", which will be held in Kiev from 13 to 16 October 2020, the Brazilian aircraft company EMBRAER will take part for the first time. According to the press service of the air show, the Brazilians can bring their famous Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft to Kiev.


Ukrainian and international military experts are wondering if the Brazilians bring their attack aircraft to the exhibition, whether the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine will raise the issue of purchasing Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano for the country's air force. Earlier, the military department has repeatedly stated its interest in the Brazilian attack aircraft.

In early August 2019, a delegation of the Ukrainian Air Force, headed by their commander, Colonel-General Sergei Drozdov, arrived in Brazilian São Paulo, where it held talks with the leadership of the military division of the Brazilian company Embraer about the possibility of acquiring Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat trainers. In October of the same year, a group of Ukrainian pilots flew Brazilian attack aircraft in Portugal.

However, it is possible that the Ukrainian Air Force will not purchase Brazilian attack aircraft. According to the latest data, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is also considering the option of purchasing Pakistani JF-17 Block III fighters.

Recall that Ukraine has adopted a program for the modernization of the country's air force for 2021-2035. For this period aviation should completely get rid of the already obsolete MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR of Soviet production and adopt a "modern" fighter. Several options are considered as the main candidate, but the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72 are called more preferable for the country's Air Force. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 3 August 2020 12: 22 New
    23
    The Me 109 is also a good plane. Let not the most modern, but European quality.
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 3 August 2020 12: 29 New
      +5
      Better the Wright brothers' planes! NATO standard, American quality! lol
      1. spech
        spech 3 August 2020 12: 32 New
        0
        Replace the wire with synthetics, no radar will see it at all.
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 3 August 2020 13: 10 New
          0
          The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is also considering the option of purchasing Pakistani JF-17 Block III fighters.

          Aren't there Russian engines there?
      2. For example
        For example 3 August 2020 12: 33 New
        +8
        Will the great air force buy Brazilian or Pakistani planes?
        The nation will not understand! laughing
        Come to your senses! laughing
    2. Asad
      Asad 3 August 2020 12: 30 New
      +4
      Well, if an attack aircraft, then only 87!
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 3 August 2020 12: 35 New
        0
        Why not Hs-129?
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 3 August 2020 12: 42 New
          +8
          Difficult to learn - the chassis must be removed / released ... smile
        2. Asad
          Asad 3 August 2020 13: 44 New
          0
          This is already expensively rich!
      2. bistrov.
        bistrov. 3 August 2020 18: 11 New
        -2
        Quote: ASAD
        then only 87!

        The Ju-87 dive bomber, as such an attack aircraft, the Luftwaffe did not have at all.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 August 2020 12: 33 New
      +5
      In the framework of the XII International Aviation and Space Salon "Aviasvit XXI", which will be held in Kiev from 13 to 16 October 2020, the Brazilian aircraft company EMBRAER will take part for the first time. According to the press service of the air show, Brazilians can bring their famous turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano.


      Show - Show yes , but in no case supply them to the Outskirts no no no

      They (skakuas) will automatically make EMBRAER and your Super Tucano infamous... Believe me yes

      Gentlemen, Brazilians, think not only about possible financial acquisitions during the deal with the Outskirts, but also the company's image losses as a result of the repetition of the events of 2014, but with your product ...
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 August 2020 12: 50 New
        15
        Quote: Insurgent
        Gentlemen, Brazilians, think not only about possible financial acquisitions during the deal with the Outskirts, but also the company's image losses as a result of the repetition of the events of 2014, but with your product ...


        2014 March 21 Su-24M During the landing approach at the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnytsky region, a Su-24M bomber of the Ukrainian Air Force crashed. According to a representative of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the incident occurred on Friday evening during a scheduled flight. The pilots managed to eject.

        2014 June 6 An-30B A Ukrainian Air Force plane on a reconnaissance flight during the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine was shot down from MANPADS near Sloviansk. The right engine of the plane caught fire and it fell. Three crew members managed to escape the plane, five were killed.

        2014 June 14 IL-76MD A military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, which was flying as part of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine, was shot down by combined fire while landing at the airport in Luhansk. All 49 troops, including 9 crew members on board, were killed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered the largest one-time losses during the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

        2014 July 2 Su-25M1 Su-25M1 attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force (tail number "06 blue", serial number 25508110121) [source of information not specified] crashed while landing at Dnepropetrovsk airport. The pilot managed to eject. There are no victims and destruction on earth. According to the official version, the cause of the crash is technical - loss of controllability.

        2014 July 14 An-26 A military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force with tail number "19 blue", which was flying as part of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine, was shot down in the Luhansk region near Krasnodon. 8 people on board managed to leave the burning car. Four of them, subsequently, were picked up by the rescue team of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, two (the commander and the right pilot) were killed, one was taken prisoner by the militia. Another crew member was rescued on 19.07. Pilot Sergei Mordvinov was handed over by the militia to the Ukrainian side during the exchange of prisoners of war on 02.09.

        2014 July 16 Su-25M1 A Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft was shot down in the Donetsk region near Amvrosievka while performing a mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot ejected and was evacuated by the rescue team. According to a representative of the militia, they managed to knock out two attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force from MANPADS that day.

        2014 July 23 Su-25 Two attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force with side numbers "04 blue" and "10 blue" were shot down from MANPADS in the Donetsk region near the village of Dmitrovka and in the area of ​​the Saur-Mohyla hill during a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. Both pilots were able to eject. One of the pilots was picked up by the search and rescue team five days later. The fate of the co-pilot is unknown.

        2014 August 7 MiG-29 A Ukrainian Air Force fighter with tail number 02 blue (114th tactical aviation brigade, Ivano-Frankivsk) was shot down in the Donetsk region over Yenakiyevo while performing a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot managed to eject and a day later he himself went to the location of the government forces.

        2014 August 17 MiG-29 A Ukrainian Air Force fighter with tail number "53 white" (114th Tactical Aviation Brigade, Ivano-Frankivsk) was shot down in the Luhansk region while performing a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot ejected and was evacuated by the search and rescue team.

        2014 August 20 Su-24M A front-line bomber of the Ukrainian Air Force from the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade (Starokonstantinov) was shot down in the Luhansk region near Sukhodolsk during a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. Both pilots managed to eject.

        2014 August 29 Su-25 A Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft was shot down in the Donetsk region while performing a combat mission in the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot ejected and after a while he himself went to the location of the units of government forces.
    4. Free wind
      Free wind 3 August 2020 12: 43 New
      -27
      The joke is not a fountain. Ukrainian and our pilots fought against Messers.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 3 August 2020 12: 46 New
        32
        Wake up! Soviet pilots fought against Messers.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 August 2020 12: 49 New
        16
        Quote: Free Wind
        The joke is not a fountain. Ukrainian and our pilots fought against the Messers.

        What kind of pilots ? belay Do you think you are writing? ? ?

        You are still about "Ukrainian fronts" push in, in the spirit of Seni-rabbit Yaytsenyukh yes .
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 3 August 2020 17: 50 New
          -7
          I am not strong in your nicknames and tables of ranks. But my grandfather, a senior lieutenant of the Guards, since March 1944, fought in the 117 SPECIAL GUARDS BERDICHOVSK DIVISION, 1 UKRAINIAN FRONT. He was awarded the Order of the RED STAR, the Order of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR of the 1st DEGREE, the Order of ALEXANDER NEVSKY, not counting the medals. Or have you decided to rewrite history for yourself? There were Belorussian fronts, and Ukrainian, and Baltic. Or do you consider yourself to be such a figure that IV Stalin did not correctly sign the decrees on assigning names to the fronts. If only they read history. It should be a shame.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 August 2020 19: 32 New
            +6
            Quote: Free Wind
            But my grandfather, a senior lieutenant of the Guard, since March 1944, fought in the 117 SPECIAL GUARDS BERDICHOVSK DIVISION, 1 UKRAINIAN FRONT

            laughing
            But she was a North Caucasian formation
            And "Berdichevskaya" is an honorary title for participation in the liberation of this city. Accordingly, the 1st Ukrainian Front is the former Voronezh Front.
            So it goes...
            It looks like you "decided to rewrite history for yourself" ...
          2. aglet
            aglet 4 August 2020 09: 02 New
            +5
            "117 OF THE SPECIAL GUARDS BERDICHEV DIVISION, 1 OF THE UKRAINIAN FRONT."
            that is, the brigade was created in Berdichev, at the expense of this town, and only natives of this town fought there? it is unlikely, the sideways would interfere with wearing a headset. and the name-Ukrainian is by geographical location, not by composition and subordination. not Ukrainians in Ukraine created this front, supplied and commanded, it was just called that, because it passed through Ukraine
          3. wlkw
            wlkw 4 August 2020 14: 40 New
            +3
            Grandpa would probably have turned over in his grave if he had heard it!
            1. Free wind
              Free wind 4 August 2020 16: 35 New
              -2
              But the fascist henchmen, burning in hell, clap their hands, whose great-grandchildren do not even know and do not want to know by what principles the names and titles were given to the Red Army units.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 4 August 2020 17: 43 New
                -1
                Into a woodpecker ... belay : Come - with Nezalezhnaya? recourse
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 3 August 2020 13: 02 New
        15
        Ukrainian pilots fought against the LPNR. And they are going again.
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 3 August 2020 13: 49 New
      -2
      Quote: Pereira
      Let not the most modern, but European quality

      And at a cheaper price
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 3 August 2020 13: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And at a cheaper price


        It's like looking yes Rarity it can come out more expensive ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 3 August 2020 13: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          It can be a rarity and it can come out more expensive ..

          So you can bargain.
          I've thought about something else. They dug the sea with shovels, but they can't make an airplane request
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 3 August 2020 14: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Lipchanin
            I've thought about something else. They dug the sea with shovels, but they can't make an airplane


            With this, everything is simple to the point yes

            - in the process of evolving degradation, which culminated in "Ukraine tse Evropa"(and in Europe everything is free for the Outskirts," they will give everything for this "), the ability to think with one's own mind (rozum) and the ability to create were lost.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 3 August 2020 14: 06 New
              -2
              Quote: Insurgent
              , the ability to think with your mind (rosum) and the ability to create was lost.

              It looks like they are returning to this
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 3 August 2020 14: 16 New
                +5
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: Insurgent
                , the ability to think with your mind (rosum) and the ability to create was lost.

                It looks like they are returning to this

                As far as I remember, this is a page from the textbook History of the pre-war period of publication, and there is a more recent, and no less wild version of such a Ukrainian-stubborn alternative:



                The book of the historian and writer Sergiy Piddubny "Ukrainian mova - mova of vilnyh people" (2019, 209 pages) reveals previously unknown secrets of the origin of Ukrainians and the Ukrainian language.
                The author destroys the claims of the Jews to be chosen by God: “The Tripilians (ancient Ukrainians) were teachers, if not the whole world, then most of it. Having received a mission from the Almighty, they dispersed throughout the world, bringing their knowledge and morality to other tribes. "

                “Ukrainians were first mentioned by Herodotus as“ teukras ”(then Ukrainians) - Tsar Teukr was the founder of Troy and the father of the queen of the Amazons Mirina”.
                “Ukrainians is an ancient name for Ukrainians. It comes from the name of the supreme God - Akray (Zeus) and means "divine". The similar Sanskrit word "ugra" means - mighty, great, powerful, noble. "



                Completely - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2020/07/28/
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 3 August 2020 14: 21 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Completely - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2020/07/28/

                  I don't want to at all. The quoted nonsense was enough for me
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 3 August 2020 14: 29 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Completely - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2020/07/28/

                    I don't want to at all. The quoted delirium was enough for me



                    Yes yes , It's enough.

                    But, actually the link for full material is indicated so that some moderators do not toil with garbage, issuing warnings for posting an allegedly "whole article", although the article is fifteen lines ...
                    And challenging such actions with the Administrator is stressful, and somewhere not even pleasant, therefore - such safety net , indicating that this is only an excerpt, a quote.
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 3 August 2020 14: 32 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      such a safety net, indicating that this is just an excerpt, a quote.

                      I understand yes
                      But I've heard so much nonsense already ...
                2. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 3 August 2020 15: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  “Ukrainians were first mentioned by Herodotus as“ teukras ”(then Ukrainians) - Tsar Teukr was the founder of Troy and the father of the queen of the Amazons Mirina”.
                  “Ukrainians is an ancient name for Ukrainians. It comes from the name of the supreme God - Akray (Zeus) and means "divine". The similar Sanskrit word "ugra" means - mighty, great, powerful, noble. "

                  Poor Israelite children, headed by Moses, they thought that they were the most enlightened (well, how did God himself give them the laws by which people should live), but then such a bummer - it turns out that the "Old Testament" is an ordinary book, consumer goods are shorter ... laughing
                3. Cristall
                  Cristall 3 August 2020 22: 38 New
                  0
                  Sergey Poddubny is the Ukrainian analogue of Samsonov.
                  "The book tells about a mighty people - a people-creator, a people-conqueror and a people-sower with at least three thousand years of history",
                  Doesn't it look like anything? Any superethnoses?
                  True, his books are all the same to myths and legends. Not suitable for school. And they won't.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 4 August 2020 07: 51 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Cristall
                    True, his books are all the same to myths and legends. Not suitable for school. And they won't.

                    But the mythology of shiza will sow in an already sick society.

                    Quote: Cristall
                    Sergey Poddubny is the Ukrainian analogue of Samsonov.
                    "The book tells about a mighty people - a people-creator, a people-conqueror and a people-sower with at least three thousand years of history",
                    Doesn't it look like anything? Any superethnoses?


                    yes Reminds that such nonsense is cultivated in your country at the state level for the entire suburb, and Samsonov is a writer exclusively "for himself" and some small "special" category of admirers of his books.
  2. Eldorado
    Eldorado 3 August 2020 12: 31 New
    +1
    Buying Brazilian Turboprop Attack Aircraft - Tse Zrada or Peremog? request
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 3 August 2020 13: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: El Dorado
      tse zrada or peremoga?

      Well it's like this
  3. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 3 August 2020 12: 35 New
    +2
    72 to 108 by 2035? Here pins them, probably spread with fat. Or half of them will be super toucano? Then maybe lol
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 3 August 2020 15: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Herman 4223
      probably spreading lard

      Salo is imported to Ukraine from Poland (although I can only guess they pump it there), but my own (Svidomo) nemae ...
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 3 August 2020 16: 31 New
        -1
        But European, they dreamed about it.
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      2. Cristall
        Cristall 3 August 2020 22: 46 New
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        Salo is imported to Ukraine from Poland (although I can only guess they pump it there), but my own (Svidomo) nemae ...

        good lard for sausages (which are sent back to the EU) has to be purchased in Poland and Germany. There is no such quality of its own.
        Imports of lard, pork fat and poultry fat in January-February 2020 amounted to 5210 tons for 3914 thousand USD against 7309 tons for 4441 thousand USD in January-February 2019.
        By the way, the export of bacon is also there. But it is several times smaller.
        The coolest thing is that CADLO buys food in the Russian Federation (and lard and sugar and everything else) and it turns out that Ukraine imports food from the Russian Federation! (Because CADLO is still Ukraine for the Russian Federation)
        For example, lard was bought in 2017. So you can blame that they are eating Russian lard. Bo is not there. The truth is in ORDLO. But all the same, the statistics counts to Ukraine.
        Import of stormtroopers from Brazil can also be
        But there is more talk than action.
        Already the hundredth article about this.
  4. Ilshat
    Ilshat 3 August 2020 12: 37 New
    +1
    Nice plane.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 3 August 2020 12: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Ilshat
      Nice plane.

      Of course, for the African continent, and even then not for everyone (I think Egypt will object). But how to compare the Tucano and Su-25 attack aircraft that are going to be written off?
      1. Ilshat
        Ilshat 3 August 2020 13: 15 New
        +1
        The cost of a flight hour is important.
        For some reason, the United States does not mind, Egypt is also not a fact.
        EMB-314 Super Tucano:
        Currently participating in a US Air Force tender for the purchase of 100 to 200 attack aircraft of this type, which will be used against the Taliban in Afghanistan
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 3 August 2020 14: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: Ilshat
          The cost of a flight hour is important.

          for what? whom?
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 3 August 2020 15: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Ilshat
          to be used against the Taliban in Afghanistan

          MANPADS / ZUshki disappeared in Afghanistan ??? an experienced RPG 7 grenade launcher can overwhelm a piston plane ...
          Quote: NEOZ
          for what? whom?

          for a country buying such aircraft, you won't argue that an hour of a piston aircraft costs 2-3 times cheaper (even if it is foreign) than a jet (SU / MiG) ...
          1. Errr
            Errr 3 August 2020 21: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: PSih2097
            You will not argue that an hour of a piston aircraft costs 2-3 times cheaper (even if it is foreign) than a jet (SU / MiG) ...
            The Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano is not a piston aircraft. Read the title of the article again. wink
        3. MA3UTA
          MA3UTA 4 August 2020 01: 12 New
          0
          and the "cost" of the pilot?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 August 2020 12: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Ilshat
      Nice plane.

      Who's arguing? Only not against the air defense of the DPR and LPR, and not in the crooked little hands of narrow-minded Maydauns yes
      1. Ilshat
        Ilshat 3 August 2020 13: 19 New
        -4
        It's too early to judge about air defense, because aviation was not used.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 3 August 2020 13: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: Ilshat
          It's too early to judge about air defense, because aviation was not used.

          Yes ? And where, then, such extensive statistics on those shot down in 2014?

          You can of course object, they say they have intensified since then, and the like, BUT WE WERE OUT OF PLACE in improving its air defense yes .
          1. Ilshat
            Ilshat 3 August 2020 13: 26 New
            +1
            Honestly about the shot down somehow passed by, I'm to blame ... wink
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 3 August 2020 13: 25 New
        +7
        I do not agree.

        Barrel air defense - is solved by the type of ammunition used (and it carries corrected bombs along the beam). That is, it is possible to deliver strikes outside the zone of destruction of the MZA. And according to the experience of use, even in the zone of fire, it is quite cheerfully, of course, they shoot at Allah, without automation of guidance on the radar or OLS channel. Even some kind of Shilka, if it turns out to be in the near zone, but with a working OMS, then the Toucan flies off, at least during the day for sure.

        MANPADS - here the cold exhaust and the diffused heat trail make the capture task very difficult. Plus Tucano can fly at night, because he has a ball with a stabilized station and a thermal imager.

        The basis of the LDNR air defense is Strela-10, only very limited use is also possible, with the hope of success.


        If Toucans will be used, most likely as an addition to UAVs and in night patrols. With night raids, very bad consequences for the LDNR army are likely, where they are very fond of Soviet instructions and fight / prepare for them. And in order to fend them off, you will have to urgently catch up with normal air defense systems, like Thors / Shells / Bukov.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 3 August 2020 13: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: donavi49

          The basis of the LDNR air defense - Strela-10


          Don't judge what you know is very limited wink

          Although what Let the dill think the same yes

          Quote: donavi49
          I do not agree.


          Of course, your right, which, as I have already noted, is based on very vague ideas about
          SYSTEM Air defense of the republics.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 3 August 2020 14: 15 New
            -2
            Quote: Insurgent
            on very vague ideas about
            Air defense system of the republics.

            develop fog, please!
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 3 August 2020 14: 22 New
              0
              Quote: NEOZ
              develop fog, please!

              no I have no right.
              In terms of data, what I know about the air defense system and other weapons should remain (and will remain yes ) a secret for the outskirts.

              I can only assure that we have something to cover our sky with.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 3 August 2020 15: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Insurgent
                I can only assure that we have something to cover our sky with.

                Let's tell fortunes together on the coffee grounds.
                what we have from open sources:
                1. MANPADS "needle" -1
                2. SAM "arrow" -10
                3. SAM "wasp"
                4.ZSU "shilka"
                5.probably powerful radars (most likely near the eastern borders of the LPNR)
                6. powerful systems of electronic warfare and electronic warfare.

                if all this is tied into a single network ... then supertouches are not scary ...
                it seems like that.
                ps
                on the other hand, some 2 MiG29s are a nightmare of Turkish air defense in Libya and disrupt the attack on Sirte ...
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 3 August 2020 15: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  Let's tell fortunes together on the coffee grounds.
                  what we have from open sources

                  We will assume that this is not all that, as of 2020, our air defense can have yes
                2. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 3 August 2020 15: 40 New
                  -1
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  what we have from open sources:

                  There are definitely no tori, but there are definitely beeches / tunguska / shilki (although the state of the missile defense system is unknown), wrung out from the Sumerians, but I will not tell you about the radar systems ...
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 3 August 2020 16: 16 New
              0
              Quote: NEOZ
              Quote: Insurgent
              on very vague ideas about
              Air defense system of the republics.

              develop fog, please!

              Are you tired of sleeping soundly? wink
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 3 August 2020 16: 58 New
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                Are you tired of sleeping soundly? wink

                the battlefield is made not by iron, but by people, so even if there is a С300В4 / С400 / С500, you cannot defend yourself from MLRS, and even more so from Arta. soldier
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 4 August 2020 08: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: PSih2097
                  the battlefield is made not by iron, but by people, so even if there is a С300В4 / С400 / С500, you cannot defend yourself from MLRS, and even more so from Arta.

                  Naturally you are right, in part yes But another part of the truth is that without control over the sky (as part of the battle), victory on the battlefield in modern warfare is not possible.
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  5. paco.soto
    paco.soto 3 August 2020 12: 38 New
    +2
    Neutral opinion: the air raid is canceled, we disagree - because Ukraine does not have and probably never will have extra "green money" for such contracts.
    1. dauria
      dauria 3 August 2020 13: 00 New
      +1
      because Ukraine does not have and probably never will have extra "green money" for such contracts.


      So far they have the remnants of engine building, aircraft building and the remnants of decent personnel. They may well master the production of a similar aircraft. For whom only. The market is packed. And the country is too small to do everything of its own. But they could buy from someone, but with the condition of entering into the cooperation of partial production. Yes, only with politics they are watery - today is Ukraine, and tomorrow?
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 3 August 2020 13: 16 New
        -2
        So far they have the remnants of engine building, aircraft building and the remnants of decent personnel. ©
        I will not argue with you here to see prices pathetically, because - I agree with your comment.
        But !, it was about financing. Which is not even foreseen in the structure of the current moment.
        Regards to you.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 August 2020 17: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: dauria
        So far they have the remnants of engine building, aircraft building and the remnants of decent personnel. They may well master the production of a similar aircraft.

        I already imagine a massive raid on the position of the LDNR of an armada of an analogue of Po-2 with planning with the engine off by "Ukrainian witches from LGBT Ukraine and the EU" ... bully
  6. magnate
    magnate 3 August 2020 12: 44 New
    -1
    By the way, Gripenes also began to be collected in Brazil.
  7. Klingon
    Klingon 3 August 2020 12: 48 New
    -3
    Quote: El Dorado
    Why not Hs-129?

    poorly maneuverable, low-altitude and heavy. Better P-47 - heavy fighter / optional attack aircraft
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 3 August 2020 14: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Klingon
      poorly maneuverable, low-altitude and heavy

      As a target, we just need one. Heavy means it will fall quickly ...
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 August 2020 15: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        Heavy means it will fall quickly ...

        plus a bunch of duralumin, titanium and rare earth metals ...
  8. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 3 August 2020 12: 51 New
    +1
    Aviation by the Ukrainian army is not used, although it is. If you buy these airplanes, they will not be used either.
  9. Alexfly
    Alexfly 3 August 2020 12: 58 New
    +8
    Quite a good plane, more suitable for preliminary training, but also used as a bush (forest) attack aircraft. Partisans are actively used to drive .. In the meantime, having their own AI-450 engine and the Antonov enterprise, the Ukrainians could make such an aircraft themselves and even better, but that's another story ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 August 2020 13: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexFly
      having their own AI-450 engine and the Antonov enterprise, the Ukrainians could make such an aircraft themselves

      This is not a royal affair. They will order, and they will give them everything.
      The "Ukrainians" themselves can no longer do anything, the patamushta is no longer in the Ukrainian SSR.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 3 August 2020 15: 35 New
      +2
      By the way, speaking of engines and aircraft. While they are wise with a new kukurznik in an unclear future, SibNIA is working, they rolled out their cheap, angry, modern modification of the An-2.

      The engine is normal - Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A, which eats the massive and cheap T-1, TS-1.


      The aerobatic complex is new, facilitates work, and expands flight tolerances.


      New glazing, a bunch of different new things and improvements. In fact, this is an affordable and modern modernization of the current An-2. Without composites and high cost from TVS (which is also made by SibNIA).

    3. Errr
      Errr 3 August 2020 21: 47 New
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      Quote: AlexFly
      In the meantime, having their own AI-450 engine and the Antonov enterprise, the Ukrainians could have made such an aircraft themselves and even better ...
      Well, what bird would this AI-450 (even in the AI-450C modification with its maximum 495 horsepower in takeoff mode), in your opinion, drag into the sky? smile By the way, the "supertukan" Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68B / C has 1600 of these "horses", oh, how! This is a completely different level.
  10. Observer2014
    Observer2014 3 August 2020 13: 31 New
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    Turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano may show in Kiev

    They can. But they will not be able to fight on it. sad laughing A full ass of cucumbers will be. And for the official Kiev, and for those who come up with the idea of ​​selling this plane to the conflict zone. The world is generally an interesting thing. And everything in it is interconnected. yes Nothing in the world happens just like that.
  11. rosomaha
    rosomaha 3 August 2020 13: 37 New
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    Quote: Pereira
    The Me 109 is also a good plane. Let not the most modern, but European quality.

    and ideology corresponds
  12. Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 August 2020 14: 20 New
    +1
    Yes, a difficult target for air defense.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 August 2020 15: 04 New
    +2
    If Ukraine itself could design and make such an aircraft, it would be a good alternative to MI24 ... and could be perfectly used for local wars. Moreover, they are doing theaters on Motor Sich.
  14. AleBors
    AleBors 3 August 2020 15: 58 New
    0
    Maybe it's easier to fill bloomers with helium? And cheaper ...
  15. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 3 August 2020 16: 11 New
    0
    A useless plane against those who have it. And Donbas has it. In place of the Ukrainians, I would buy decommissioned Soviet 29+ modernization. There are still plenty of them in Europe. In the medium term, an F-16 and at least a couple of F-35s (in general, patriotism would go off scale)
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 August 2020 19: 26 New
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      Quote: MaxWRX
      In place of the Ukrainians, I would buy decommissioned Soviet 29+ modernization.


      Better already the MiG-21. The truth somehow smacks of good health - he's Soviet
    2. Shiden
      Shiden 3 August 2020 21: 16 New
      0
      In Vietnam, the A-1 "Skryder" won back from beginning to end and had no equal in terms of efficiency, you will not argue that the Viet Cong had only a shooter. Yes, and the RS-8 "Pilatus" in Angola also showed good results in battles with UNITA. But both here and there they had experience of fighting everything flying. Especially when they comment here, those who only look at the zomboyaschik look at how effectively weapons that have no analogues shoot down targets that quadcopters and in real combat they cannot defend themselves so effectively.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 August 2020 10: 34 New
      0
      In the absence of assistance from the air defense of the Russian Federation and with the use of modern ammunition, it is perfectly possible to work in wars such as in the Donbas ... or in Syria.
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 3 August 2020 17: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Klingon
    poorly maneuverable, low-altitude and heavy

    As a target, we just need one. Heavy means it will fall quickly ...

    But what about modern air defense systems, Stuck or Bolt will fall longer? Enough to drive the kindergarten blizzard. Everything turboprop and without armor will get off well, which is correct
  17. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 3 August 2020 18: 04 New
    0
    more preferable for the country's air force is the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

    Are there pennies? wassat
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 August 2020 19: 25 New
      0
      Oh, what a pittance!
      - "Everything has already been stolen before us." (from.)
  18. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 3 August 2020 23: 00 New
    0
    The Brazilians have no chance, at most Ukrainians will buy it as an advanced UBS, but no more. Most likely, as planned, the production of the L-15B, the "Chinese Yak-130" will be established in Odessa. Their engines, many of the avionics can be produced by themselves, the glider is not super modern there, and the Poles and Finns will help, well, the Chinese are understandable. Armaments, including air-to-air missiles, are also produced by themselves.
    The L-15B as a light fighter for controlling its airspace and an attack aircraft is nothing to itself, and is quite suitable for Ukraine, and for many others. Moreover, in this version, it has supersonic speed.
  19. MA3UTA
    MA3UTA 4 August 2020 01: 27 New
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    EMB-314 Super Tucano is a light turboprop attack aircraft manufactured by the Brazilian company Embraer.

    The first prototype aircraft took off into the air in 1999ode. Originally designed as a training aircraft, it was later modified to carry out air strikes. The cockpit of the attack aircraft is protected by Kevlar armor.



    Excellent data For the curious

    TECH SPECS
    Crew: 2 person
    Length: 11,6 m
    Wingspan: 14,6 m
    Height: 4,2 m
    Wing area: 38,5 m²
    Empty weight: 4360 kg
    Curb weight: 6160 kg
    Maximum take-off weight: 6380 kg
    Armor weight: 990 kg
    Engines :: 1 × Liquid-cooled V-shaped 12-cylinder
    Thrust: 1 × 1720 HP from. (1285 kW)
    Flight characteristics
    Maximum speed: 414 km / h
    at an altitude of 1220 m: 404 km / h
    at the ground: 386 km / h
    Range of flight: 720 km
    Takeoff run: 335 m (with 400 kg bombs)
    Rate of climb: m / s 10,4
    Service ceiling: 5500 m
    Wing loading: 160 kg / m²
    Thrust-to-weight ratio: 0,21 kW / kg
    weaponry
    Cannon-machine gun:
    2 × 23 mm cannon with 150 rounds per barrel
    2 × 7,62 mm machine gun, 750 rounds per barrel
    1 × 12,7 mm defensive machine gun in the rear cockpit, 150 rounds
    The combat load:
    up to 600 kg of bombs.
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    TTX IL-2M3 for attentive
  20. Mimino
    Mimino 4 August 2020 07: 48 New
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    What squalor. It's time to upgrade the An-2 into a night bomber.