Turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano may show in Kiev

In the framework of the XII International Aviation and Space Salon "Aviasvit XXI", which will be held in Kiev from 13 to 16 October 2020, the Brazilian aircraft company EMBRAER will take part for the first time. According to the press service of the air show, the Brazilians can bring their famous Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft to Kiev.

Ukrainian and international military experts are wondering if the Brazilians bring their attack aircraft to the exhibition, whether the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine will raise the issue of purchasing Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano for the country's air force. Earlier, the military department has repeatedly stated its interest in the Brazilian attack aircraft.

In early August 2019, a delegation of the Ukrainian Air Force, headed by their commander, Colonel-General Sergei Drozdov, arrived in Brazilian São Paulo, where it held talks with the leadership of the military division of the Brazilian company Embraer about the possibility of acquiring Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat trainers. In October of the same year, a group of Ukrainian pilots flew Brazilian attack aircraft in Portugal.

However, it is possible that the Ukrainian Air Force will not purchase Brazilian attack aircraft. According to the latest data, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is also considering the option of purchasing Pakistani JF-17 Block III fighters.

Recall that Ukraine has adopted a program for the modernization of the country's air force for 2021-2035. For this period aviation should completely get rid of the already obsolete MiG-29, Su-27, Su-24M, Su-25, Su-24MR of Soviet production and adopt a "modern" fighter. Several options are considered as the main candidate, but the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72 are called more preferable for the country's Air Force. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

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[Pereira]

The Me 109 is also a good plane. Let not the most modern, but European quality.

[Eldorado]

Better the Wright brothers' planes! NATO standard, American quality!

[spech]

Replace the wire with synthetics, no radar will see it at all.

[Nevsky_ZU]

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is also considering the option of purchasing Pakistani JF-17 Block III fighters.

Aren't there Russian engines there?

[For example]

Will the great air force buy Brazilian or Pakistani planes?
The nation will not understand!
Come to your senses!

[Asad]

Well, if an attack aircraft, then only 87!

[Eldorado]

Why not Hs-129?

[dzvero]

Difficult to learn - the chassis must be removed / released ...

[Asad]

This is already expensively rich!

[bistrov.]

Quote: ASAD

then only 87!

The Ju-87 dive bomber, as such an attack aircraft, the Luftwaffe did not have at all.

[Insurgent]

Within the framework of the XII International Aviation and Space Salon "Aviasvit XXI", which will be held in Kiev from 13 to 16 October 2020, the Brazilian aircraft company EMBRAER will take part for the first time. As stated in the press service of the air show, Brazilians can bring their famous turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano.

Show - Show , but in no case supply them to the Outskirts

They (skakuas) will automatically make EMBRAER and your Super Tucano infamous... Believe me

Gentlemen, Brazilians, think not only about possible financial acquisitions during the deal with the Outskirts, but also the company's image losses as a result of the repetition of the events of 2014, but with your product ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Insurgent

Gentlemen, Brazilians, think not only about possible financial acquisitions during the deal with the Outskirts, but also the company's image losses as a result of the repetition of the events of 2014, but with your product ...

2014 March 21 Su-24M During the landing approach at the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnytsky region, a Su-24M bomber of the Ukrainian Air Force crashed. According to a representative of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the incident occurred on Friday evening during a scheduled flight. The pilots managed to eject.

2014 June 6 An-30B A Ukrainian Air Force plane on a reconnaissance flight during the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine was shot down from MANPADS near Sloviansk. The right engine of the plane caught fire and it fell. Three crew members managed to escape the plane, five were killed.

2014 June 14 Il-76MD A military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, which was flying as part of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine, was shot down by combined fire while landing at the airport in Luhansk. All 49 troops, including 9 crew members on board, were killed. The Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered the largest one-time losses during the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

2014 July 2 Su-25M1 Su-25M1 attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force (tail number "06 blue", serial number 25508110121) [source of information not specified] crashed while landing at Dnepropetrovsk airport. The pilot managed to eject. There are no victims and destruction on earth. According to the official version, the cause of the crash is technical - loss of controllability.

2014 July 14 An-26 A military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force with tail number "19 blue", which was flying as part of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine, was shot down in the Luhansk region near Krasnodon. 8 people on board managed to leave the burning car. Four of them, subsequently, were picked up by the rescue team of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, two (the commander and the right pilot) were killed, one was taken prisoner by the militia. Another crew member was rescued on 19.07. Pilot Sergei Mordvinov was handed over by the militia to the Ukrainian side during the exchange of prisoners of war on 02.09.

2014 July 16 Su-25M1 A Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft was shot down in the Donetsk region near Amvrosievka while performing a mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot ejected and was evacuated by the rescue team. According to a representative of the militia, they managed to knock out two attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force from MANPADS that day.

2014 July 23 Su-25 Two attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force with side numbers "04 blue" and "10 blue" were shot down from MANPADS in the Donetsk region near the village of Dmitrovka and in the area of ​​the Saur-Mohyla hill during a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. Both pilots were able to eject. One of the pilots was picked up by the search and rescue team five days later. The fate of the co-pilot is unknown.

2014 August 7 MiG-29 A Ukrainian Air Force fighter with tail number 02 blue (114th tactical aviation brigade, Ivano-Frankivsk) was shot down in the Donetsk region over Yenakiyevo while performing a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot managed to eject and a day later he himself went to the location of the government forces.

2014 August 17 MiG-29 A Ukrainian Air Force fighter with tail number "53 white" (114th Tactical Aviation Brigade, Ivano-Frankivsk) was shot down in the Luhansk region while performing a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot ejected and was evacuated by the search and rescue team.

2014 August 20 Su-24M A front-line bomber of the Ukrainian Air Force from the 7th Tactical Aviation Brigade (Starokonstantinov) was shot down in the Luhansk region near Sukhodolsk during a combat mission within the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. Both pilots managed to eject.

2014 August 29 Su-25 A Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft was shot down in the Donetsk region while performing a combat mission in the framework of the armed conflict in eastern Ukraine. The pilot ejected and after a while he himself went to the location of the units of government forces.

[Free wind]

The joke is not a fountain. Ukrainian and our pilots fought against Messers.

[Parsec]

Wake up! Soviet pilots fought against Messers.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Free Wind

The joke is not a fountain. Ukrainian and our pilots fought against the Messers.

What kind of pilots ? Do you think you are writing? ? ?

You still about "Ukrainian fronts" push in, in the spirit of Seni-rabbit Yaytsenyukh ...

[Free wind]

I am not strong in your nicknames and tables of ranks. But my grandfather, a senior lieutenant of the Guards, since March 1944, fought in the 117 SPECIAL GUARDS BERDICHOVSK DIVISION, 1 UKRAINIAN FRONT. He was awarded the Order of the RED STAR, the Order of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR of the 1st DEGREE, the Order of ALEXANDER NEVSKY, not counting the medals. Or have you decided to rewrite history for yourself? There were Belorussian fronts, and Ukrainian, and Baltic. Or do you consider yourself to be such a figure that IV Stalin did not correctly sign the decrees on assigning names to the fronts. If only they read history. It should be a shame.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Free Wind

But my grandfather, a senior lieutenant of the Guard, since March 1944, fought in the 117 SPECIAL GUARDS BERDICHOVSK DIVISION, 1 UKRAINIAN FRONT

But she was a North Caucasian formation
And "Berdichevskaya" is an honorary title for participation in the liberation of this city. Accordingly, the 1st Ukrainian Front is the former Voronezh Front.
So it goes...
It looks like you "decided to rewrite history for yourself" ...

[aglet]

"117 SPECIAL GUARDS BERDICHEV DIVISION, 1 UKRAINIAN FRONT."
that is, the brigade was created in Berdichev, at the expense of this town, and only natives of this town fought there? it is unlikely, the sideways would interfere with wearing a headset. and the name-Ukrainian is by geographical location, not by composition and subordination. not Ukrainians in Ukraine created this front, supplied and commanded, it was just called that, because it passed through Ukraine

[wlkw]

Grandpa would probably have turned over in his grave if he had heard it!

[Free wind]

But the fascist henchmen, burning in hell, clap their hands, whose great-grandchildren do not even know and do not want to know by what principles the names and titles were given to the Red Army units.

[paul3390]

Into a woodpecker ... : Come - with Nezalezhnaya?

[Pereira]

Ukrainian pilots fought against the LPNR. And they are going again.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Pereira

Let not the most modern, but European quality

And at a cheaper price

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

And at a cheaper price

It's like looking Rarity it can come out more expensive ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

It can be a rarity and it can come out more expensive ..

So you can bargain.
I've thought about something else. They dug the sea with shovels, but they can't make an airplane

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

I've thought about something else. They dug the sea with shovels, but they can't make an airplane

With this, everything is simple to the point

- in the process of evolving degradation, which culminated in "Ukraine tse Evropa"(and in Europe everything is free for the Outskirts," everything will be given for so "), the ability to think with your own mind (rozum) and the ability to create were lost.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

, the ability to think with your mind (rosum) and the ability to create was lost.

It looks like they are returning to this

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Insurgent

, the ability to think with your mind (rosum) and the ability to create was lost.

It looks like they are returning to this

As far as I remember, this is a page from the textbook History of the pre-war period of publication, and there is a more recent, and no less wild version of such a Ukrainian-stubborn alternative:

The book of the historian and writer Sergiy Piddubny "Ukrainian mova - mova of vilnyh people" (2019, 209 pages) reveals previously unknown secrets of the origin of Ukrainians and the Ukrainian language.
The author destroys the claims of the Jews to be chosen by God: “The Tripilians (ancient Ukrainians) were teachers, if not the whole world, then most of it. Having received a mission from the Almighty, they dispersed throughout the world, bringing their knowledge and morality to other tribes. "

“Ukrainians were first mentioned by Herodotus as“ teukras ”(then Ukrainians) - Tsar Teukr was the founder of Troy and the father of the queen of the Amazons Mirina”.
“Ukrainians is an ancient name for Ukrainians. It comes from the name of the supreme God - Akray (Zeus) and means "divine". The similar Sanskrit word "ugra" means - mighty, great, powerful, noble. "

Completely - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2020/07/28/

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Completely - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2020/07/28/

I don't want to at all. The quoted nonsense was enough for me

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Insurgent
Completely - https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2020/07/28/

I don't want to at all. The quoted delirium was enough for me

Yes , It's enough.

But, actually the link for full material is indicated so that some moderators do not toil with garbage, issuing warnings for posting an allegedly "whole article", although the article is fifteen lines ...
And challenging such actions with the Administrator is stressful, and somewhere not even pleasant, therefore - such safety net , indicating that this is only an excerpt, a quote.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

such a safety net, indicating that this is just an excerpt, a quote.

I understand
But I've heard so much nonsense already ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: Insurgent

“Ukrainians were first mentioned by Herodotus as“ teukras ”(then Ukrainians) - Tsar Teukr was the founder of Troy and the father of the queen of the Amazons Mirina”.
“Ukrainians is an ancient name for Ukrainians. It comes from the name of the supreme God - Akray (Zeus) and means "divine". The similar Sanskrit word "ugra" means - mighty, great, powerful, noble. "

Poor Israelite children, led by Moses, they thought that they were the most enlightened (well, how did God himself give them the laws by which people should live), and then such a bummer - it turns out that the "Old Testament" is an ordinary book, consumer goods are shorter ...

[Cristall]

Sergey Poddubny is the Ukrainian analogue of Samsonov.
"The book tells about a mighty people - a people-creator, a people-conqueror and a people-sower with at least three thousand years of history",
Doesn't it look like anything? Any superethnoses?
True, his books are all the same to myths and legends. Not suitable for school. And they won't.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Cristall

True, his books are all the same to myths and legends. Not suitable for school. And they won't.

But the mythology of shiza will sow in an already sick society.

Quote: Cristall

Sergey Poddubny is the Ukrainian analogue of Samsonov.
"The book tells about a mighty people - a people-creator, a people-conqueror and a people-sower with at least three thousand years of history",
Doesn't it look like anything? Any superethnoses?

Reminds that such nonsense is cultivated at the state level for the entire Okrug, and Samsonov is a writer exclusively "for himself" and some small "special" category of admirers of his books.

[Eldorado]

Buying Brazilian Turboprop Attack Aircraft - Tse Zrada or Peremog?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: El Dorado

tse zrada or peremoga?

Well it's like this

[Herman 4223]

72 to 108 by 2035? Here pins them, probably spread with fat. Or half of them will be super toucano? Then maybe

[PSih2097]

Quote: Herman 4223

probably spreading lard

Salo is imported to Ukraine from Poland (although I can only guess they pump it there), but my own (Svidomo) nemae ...

[Herman 4223]

But European, they dreamed about it.

[Cristall]

Quote: PSih2097

Salo is imported to Ukraine from Poland (although I can only guess they pump it there), but my own (Svidomo) nemae ...

good lard for sausages (which are sent back to the EU) has to be purchased in Poland and Germany. There is no such quality of its own.
Imports of lard, pork fat and poultry fat in January-February 2020 amounted to 5210 tons for 3914 thousand USD against 7309 tons for 4441 thousand USD in January-February 2019.
By the way, the export of bacon is also there. But it is several times smaller.
The coolest thing is that CADLO buys food in the Russian Federation (and lard and sugar and everything else) and it turns out that Ukraine imports food from the Russian Federation! (Because CADLO is still Ukraine for the Russian Federation)
For example, lard was bought in 2017. So you can blame that they are eating Russian lard. Bo is not there. The truth is in ORDLO. But all the same, the statistics counts to Ukraine.
Import of stormtroopers from Brazil can also be
But there is more talk than action.
Already the hundredth article about this.

[Ilshat]

Nice plane.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Ilshat

Nice plane.

Of course, for the African continent, and even then not for everyone (I think Egypt will object). But how to compare the Tucano and Su-25 attack aircraft that are going to be written off?

[Ilshat]

The cost of a flight hour is important.
For some reason, the United States does not mind, Egypt is also not a fact.
EMB-314 Super Tucano:

Currently participating in a US Air Force tender for the purchase of 100 to 200 attack aircraft of this type, which will be used against the Taliban in Afghanistan

[NEOZ]

Quote: Ilshat

The cost of a flight hour is important.

for what? whom?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Ilshat

to be used against the Taliban in Afghanistan

MANPADS / ZUshki disappeared in Afghanistan ??? an experienced RPG 7 grenade launcher can overwhelm a piston plane ...

Quote: NEOZ

for what? whom?

for a country buying such aircraft, you won't argue that an hour of a piston aircraft costs 2-3 times cheaper (even if it is foreign) than a jet (SU / MiG) ...

[Errr]

Quote: PSih2097

You will not argue that an hour of a piston aircraft costs 2-3 times cheaper (even if it is foreign) than a jet (SU / MiG) ...

The Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano is not a piston aircraft. Read the title of the article again.

[MA3UTA]

and the "cost" of the pilot?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ilshat

Nice plane.

Who's arguing? Only not against the air defense of the DPR and LPR, and not in the crooked little hands of narrow-minded Maydauns

[Ilshat]

It's too early to judge about air defense, because aviation was not used.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ilshat

It's too early to judge about air defense, because aviation was not used.

Yes ? And where, then, such extensive statistics on those shot down in 2014?

You can of course object, they say they have intensified since then, and the like, BUT WE WERE OUT OF PLACE in improving its air defense ...

[Ilshat]

Honestly about the shot down somehow passed by, I'm to blame ...

[donavi49]

I do not agree.

Barrel air defense - is solved by the type of ammunition used (and it carries corrected bombs along the beam). That is, it is possible to deliver strikes outside the zone of destruction of the MZA. And according to the experience of use, even in the zone of fire, it is quite cheerfully, of course, they shoot at Allah, without automation of guidance on the radar or OLS channel. Even some kind of Shilka, if it turns out to be in the near zone, but with a working OMS, then the Toucan flies off, at least during the day for sure.

MANPADS - here the cold exhaust and the diffused heat trail make the capture task very difficult. Plus Tucano can fly at night, because he has a ball with a stabilized station and a thermal imager.

The basis of the LDNR air defense is Strela-10, only very limited use is also possible, with the hope of success.


If Toucans will be used, most likely as an addition to UAVs and in night patrols. With night raids, very bad consequences for the LDNR army are likely, where they are very fond of Soviet instructions and fight / prepare for them. And in order to fend them off, you will have to urgently catch up with normal air defense systems, like Thors / Shells / Bukov.

[Insurgent]

Quote: donavi49

The basis of the LDNR air defense - Strela-10

Don't judge what you know is very limited

Although Let the dill think the same

Quote: donavi49

I do not agree.

Of course, your right, which, as I have already noted, is based on very vague ideas about
SYSTEM Air defense of the republics.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Insurgent

on very vague ideas about
Air defense system of the republics.

develop fog, please!

[Insurgent]

Quote: NEOZ

develop fog, please!

I have no right.
In terms of data, what I know about the air defense system and other weapons should remain (and will remain ) a secret for the outskirts.

I can only assure that we have something to cover our sky with.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Insurgent

I can only assure that we have something to cover our sky with.

Let's tell fortunes together on the coffee grounds.
what we have from open sources:
1. MANPADS "needle" -1
2. SAM "arrow" -10
3. SAM "wasp"
4.ZSU "shilka"
5.probably powerful radars (most likely near the eastern borders of the LPNR)
6. powerful systems of electronic warfare and electronic warfare.

if all this is tied into a single network ... then supertouches are not scary ...
it seems like that.
ps
on the other hand, some 2 MiG29s are a nightmare of Turkish air defense in Libya and disrupt the attack on Sirte ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: NEOZ

Let's tell fortunes together on the coffee grounds.
what we have from open sources

We will assume that this is not all that, as of 2020, our air defense can have

[PSih2097]

Quote: NEOZ

what we have from open sources:

There are definitely no tori, but there are definitely beeches / tunguska / shilki (although the state of the missile defense system is unknown), wrung out from the Sumerians, but I will not tell you about the radar systems ...

[sabakina]

Quote: NEOZ

Quote: Insurgent

on very vague ideas about
Air defense system of the republics.

develop fog, please!

Are you tired of sleeping soundly?

[PSih2097]

Quote: sabakina

Are you tired of sleeping soundly? wink

the battlefield is made not by iron, but by people, so even if there is a С300В4 / С400 / С500, you cannot defend yourself from MLRS, and even more so from Arta.

[Insurgent]

Quote: PSih2097

the battlefield is made not by iron, but by people, so even if there is a С300В4 / С400 / С500, you cannot defend yourself from MLRS, and even more so from Arta.

Naturally you are right, in part But another part of the truth is that without control over the sky (as part of the battle), victory on the battlefield in modern warfare is not possible.

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: the air raid is cleared, we disagree - because Ukraine does not have and probably never will have extra "green money" for such contracts.

[dauria]

because Ukraine does not have and probably never will have extra "green money" for such contracts.

So far they have the remnants of engine building, aircraft building and the remnants of decent personnel. They may well master the production of a similar aircraft. For whom only. The market is packed. And the country is too small to do everything of its own. But they could buy from someone, but with the condition of entering into the cooperation of partial production. Yes, only with politics they are watery - today is Ukraine, and tomorrow?

[paco.soto]

So far they have the remnants of engine building, aircraft building and the remnants of decent personnel. ©
I will not argue with you here to see prices pathetically, because - I agree with your comment.
But !, it was about financing. Which is not even foreseen in the structure of the current moment.
Regards to you.

[PSih2097]

Quote: dauria

So far they have the remnants of engine building, aircraft building and the remnants of decent personnel. They may well master the production of a similar aircraft.

I already imagine a massive raid on the position of the LDNR of an armada of the Po-2 analogue with planning with the engine off by "Ukrainian witches from LGBT Ukraine and the EU" ...

[magnate]

By the way, Gripenes also began to be collected in Brazil.

[Klingon]

Quote: El Dorado

Why not Hs-129?

poorly maneuverable, low-altitude and heavy. Better P-47 - heavy fighter / optional attack aircraft

[Insurgent]

Quote: Klingon

poorly maneuverable, low-altitude and heavy

As a target, we just need one. Heavy means it will fall quickly ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: Insurgent

Heavy means it will fall quickly ...

plus a bunch of duralumin, titanium and rare earth metals ...

[Sancho_SP]

Aviation by the Ukrainian army is not used, although it is. If you buy these airplanes, they will not be used either.

[Alexfly]

Quite a good plane, more suitable for preliminary training, but also used as a bush (forest) attack aircraft. Partisans are actively used to drive .. In the meantime, having their own AI-450 engine and the Antonov enterprise, the Ukrainians could make such an aircraft themselves and even better, but that's another story ...

[iouris]

Quote: AlexFly

having their own AI-450 engine and the Antonov enterprise, the Ukrainians could make such an aircraft themselves

This is not a royal affair. They will order, and they will give them everything.
The "Ukrainians" themselves can no longer do anything, the patamushta is no longer in the Ukrainian SSR.

[donavi49]

By the way, speaking of engines and aircraft. While they are wise with a new kukurznik in an unclear future, SibNIA is working, they rolled out their cheap, angry, modern modification of the An-2.

The engine is normal - Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A, which eats the massive and cheap T-1, TS-1.

The aerobatic complex is new, facilitates work, and expands flight tolerances.

New glazing, a bunch of different new things and improvements. In fact, this is an affordable and modern modernization of the current An-2. Without composites and high cost from TVS (which is also made by SibNIA).

[Errr]

Quote: AlexFly

In the meantime, having their own AI-450 engine and the Antonov enterprise, the Ukrainians could have made such an aircraft themselves and even better ...

Well, what bird would this AI-450 (even in the AI-450C modification with its maximum 495 horsepower in takeoff mode), in your opinion, drag into the sky? By the way, the "supertukan" Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68B / C has 1600 of these "horses", oh, how! This is a completely different level.

[Observer2014]

Turboprop attack aircraft Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano may show in Kiev

They can. But they will not be able to fight on it. A full ass of cucumbers will be. And for the official Kiev, and for those who come up with the idea of ​​selling this plane to the conflict zone. The world is generally an interesting thing. And everything in it is interconnected. Nothing in the world happens just like that.

[rosomaha]

Quote: Pereira

The Me 109 is also a good plane. Let not the most modern, but European quality.

and ideology corresponds

[Pavel57]

Yes, a difficult target for air defense.

[Zaurbek]

If Ukraine itself could design and make such an aircraft, it would be a good alternative to MI24 ... and could be perfectly used for local wars. Moreover, they are doing theaters on Motor Sich.

[AleBors]

Maybe it's easier to fill bloomers with helium? And cheaper ...

[Maxwrx]

A useless plane against those who have it. And Donbas has it. In place of the Ukrainians, I would buy decommissioned Soviet 29+ modernization. There are still plenty of them in Europe. In the medium term, an F-16 and at least a couple of F-35s (in general, patriotism would go off scale)

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: MaxWRX

In place of the Ukrainians, I would buy decommissioned Soviet 29+ modernization.

Better already the MiG-21. The truth somehow smacks of good health - he's Soviet

[Shiden]

In Vietnam, the A-1 "Skryder" won back from beginning to end and had no equal in terms of efficiency, you will not argue that the Viet Cong had only a shooter. Yes, and the RS-8 "Pilatus" in Angola also showed good results in battles with UNITA. But both there and there they had experience of fighting everything flying. Especially when they comment here, those who only look at the zomboyaschik how effectively weapons that have no analogues shoot down targets that quadcopters and in real combat they cannot defend themselves so effectively.

[Zaurbek]

In the absence of assistance from the air defense of the Russian Federation and with the use of modern ammunition, it is perfectly possible to work in wars such as in the Donbas ... or in Syria.

[Klingon]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Klingon

poorly maneuverable, low-altitude and heavy

As a target, we just need one. Heavy means it will fall quickly ...

But what about modern air defense systems, Stuck or Bolt will fall longer? Enough to drive the kindergarten blizzard. Everything turboprop and without armor will get off well, which is correct

[Shelest2000]

more preferable for the country's air force is the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72. In total, it is planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

Are there pennies?

[Cyril G ...]

Oh, what a pittance!
- "Everything has already been stolen before us." (from.)

[Sarcasm]

The Brazilians have no chance, at most Ukrainians will buy it as an advanced UBS, but no more. Most likely, as planned, the production of the L-15B, the "Chinese Yak-130", will be established in Odessa. Their engines, many of the avionics they can produce themselves, the glider is not super modern there, and the Poles and Finns will help, well, the Chinese are understandable. Armaments, including air-to-air missiles, are also produced by themselves.
The L-15B as a light fighter for controlling its airspace and an attack aircraft is nothing to itself, and is quite suitable for Ukraine, and for many others. Moreover, in this version, it has supersonic speed.

[MA3UTA]

EMB-314 Super Tucano is a light turboprop attack aircraft manufactured by the Brazilian company Embraer.

The first prototype aircraft took off into the air in 1999ode. Originally designed as a training aircraft, it was later modified to carry out air strikes. The cockpit of the attack aircraft is protected by Kevlar armor.

Excellent data For the curious

Technical specifications
Crew: 2 person
Length: 11,6 m
Wingspan: 14,6 m
Height: 4,2 m
Wing area: 38,5 m²
Empty weight: 4360 kg
Curb weight: 6160 kg
Maximum take-off weight: 6380 kg
Armor weight: 990 kg
Engines :: 1 × Liquid-cooled V-shaped 12-cylinder
Thrust: 1 × 1720 HP from. (1285 kW)
Flight characteristics
Maximum speed: 414 km / h
at an altitude of 1220 m: 404 km / h
at the ground: 386 km / h
Range of flight: 720 km
Takeoff run: 335 m (with 400 kg bombs)
Rate of climb: m / s 10,4
Service ceiling: 5500 m
Wing loading: 160 kg / m²
Thrust-to-weight ratio: 0,21 kW / kg
weaponry
Cannon-machine gun:
2 × 23 mm cannon with 150 rounds per barrel
2 × 7,62 mm machine gun, 750 rounds per barrel
1 × 12,7 mm defensive machine gun in the rear cockpit, 150 rounds
The combat load:
up to 600 kg of bombs.
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TTX IL-2M3 for attentive

[Mimino]

What squalor. It's time to upgrade the An-2 into a night bomber.