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Can Russia and the United States have friendly relations: about history, the present day and prospects

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Russia and the United States can be not only potential adversaries and competitors, but also friends. At least in stories such precedents have already happened more than once.


Is friendship between countries possible?


Recently, President Donald Trump's National Security Assistant Robert O'Brien said that a friendly relationship between the United States and Russia would benefit both countries. If Russia, according to the American politician, "would renounce aggression," then trade between the Russian Federation and the United States would develop at a high level, the countries would become friendly and such relations would be beneficial to the whole world.

The fight against terrorism and extremism is cited as an example of common interests in the United States. Indeed, in the early 2000s. relations between our countries were significantly strengthened thanks to the joint fight against international terrorism: both the United States and Russia at that time were attacked by terrorist groups.

Today, the world faces other risks: pandemics of dangerous diseases, and economic crises, and instability in a number of regions of the planet, and global uncontrolled migration.

Russia and the United States could solve all these problems by joint efforts. Moreover, why hide, both Russia and the United States in any case belong to closer civilizations than Russia and the Islamic world or Russia and China. This is an indisputable fact: no matter how official propaganda in both states criticizes Washington or Moscow, ordinary Americans and Russians quite find a common language and there is not so little in common between them as it might seem.

From the War of Independence to World War II


By the way, history knows examples of cooperation between our countries. So, at one time, the Russian Empire was in very good relations with the young American state and even helped it defend itself from the British Empire. Catherine II sympathized with the Americans and even monarchical solidarity did not force her to side with the British crown, although King George turned to Catherine for help, insisting on sending a Russian fleet and soldiers to the shores of North America.

Then Russia provided assistance to the northern states in their struggle against the slave-owning South. Then England and France were going to provide direct military assistance to the southern states, but they were stopped by a Russian squadron sent to the American shores. Twelve ships with 3 sailors and 608 guns crossed the Atlantic and Pacific oceans to help the Americans - isn't this an example of true friendship between Russia and the United States?

In the First and Second World Wars, as you know, our countries fought against Germany and its allies. Although American troops took part in the intervention against Soviet Russia, the United States soon changed its policy towards the young Soviet state: trade with the USSR began, and even American specialists came to the Soviet Union. Cooperation between the two countries intensified especially before the Second World War.


The most touching moment in the history of US-USSR relations - Meeting on the Elbe

During the Second World War, the United States provided great support to the Soviet Union, sending weapons, military equipment, food and other goods so much needed at the front. American and Soviet soldiers fought against a common enemy, and this radically changed the relationship between countries, which previously depended on the official political course of the two states. Even during the Cold War, there were many people in the United States and the Soviet Union who sincerely sympathized with both states and hoped that relations would normalize.

Of course, the United States and Russia are geopolitical rivals. However, the alignments in world politics are changing, and it is possible that Russia and the United States will have to unite with each other more than once against common enemies that pose a threat to both the Russian and American states. The disintegration of the United States and the destabilization of this country, if one frees itself from emotions, is not at all profitable for Russia, since the entire world system will collapse and Russia will be among the first to feel the consequences of such a large-scale transformation. However, there is also a diametrically opposite opinion ...
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 3 August 2020 11: 30 New
    +7
    Of course, the United States and Russia are geopolitical rivals. However, the alignments in world politics are changing and it is possible that Russia and the United States will have to unite with each other more than once against common enemies,

    What are our common enemies interesting? Terrorists are the work of the United States .. and who else is our common enemy?
    The disintegration of the United States and the destabilization of this country, if one frees itself from emotions, is not at all profitable for Russia, since the entire world system will collapse and Russia will be among the first to feel the consequences of such a large-scale transformation.

    If the United States disintegrates ... which is unlikely, more precisely incredible ... then China and the European Union will assume the role of the United States ...
    There is no need to reckon and wish countries, albeit unfriendly, of collapse and upheavals, you need to equip your own country and strive for leadership in all vital spheres.
    1. Flamberg
      Flamberg 3 August 2020 11: 35 New
      -2
      What are our common enemies interesting? Terrorists are the work of the United States .. and who else is our common enemy?
      Right now, the Trump administration is not opposed to befriending China. On the contrary, the Democrats are not against making friends with China against Russia.
    2. demo
      demo 3 August 2020 11: 36 New
      +3
      If the United States disintegrates ... which is unlikely, more precisely incredible ... then China and the European Union will assume the role of the United States ...

      The Roman Empire collapsed. Russian Empire, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian empires, Soviet Union.
      Empires were created and disintegrated.
      And the US is not immune to this problem.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 3 August 2020 13: 39 New
        -6
        If the United States disintegrates ... which is unlikely, more precisely incredible ... then China and the European Union will assume the role of the United States ...
        The Roman Empire collapsed. Russian Empire, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian empires, Soviet Union.
        Empires were created and disintegrated.
        And the US is not immune to this problem.

        Will not disintegrate.

        The fact of the matter is that the USA is NOT an EMPIRE. USA - REPUBLIC.
        Republics do not disintegrate, they either continue to exist, or turn into empires, like the Roman one.

        The USSR was an empire, therefore it collapsed. Russia now is also an empire. wink
        1. demo
          demo 3 August 2020 13: 49 New
          +7
          I don't really want to argue.
          The United States today meets the general criteria of an empire.
          Hidden colonial policy.
          The maximum possible system of subordination of seemingly independent states to themselves.
          The proclamation of the existing US state is the pinnacle of human development.

          The form of existence - a republic - is like an inscription on a fence.
          It is not what is written that matters. The important thing is how it is done.
          This is especially evident in the electoral system. The electors are not concerned with the fact that the people should not get tired. This is the concern that you have to choose the right ones.
          So the republic, or plutocracy, or empire - the name does not change the essence.

          But at the expense of the USSR - explain.

          In what form did the USSR pump the resources of the colonies?
          It was slightly the opposite. The indigenous people of the metropolis (USSR) gave theirs, for a song, to Africa, Latin America, Asia.
          Good empire!
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 3 August 2020 14: 22 New
            -2
            The United States today meets the general criteria of an empire.

            And who is the emperor? wink
            But in Russia? laughing
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 3 August 2020 15: 00 New
            -2
            In what form did the USSR pump the resources of the colonies?
            It was slightly the opposite. The indigenous people of the metropolis (USSR) gave theirs, for a song, to Africa, Latin America, Asia.

            The British will tell you the same.

            They brought the light of civilization to India.
            And they created a modern industry, from the Ganges Canal, created under Dalgauzi. Railways, the coal industry, jute factories, tea and cotton plantations, shipyards, and everything, right up to the Apsara nuclear research reactor.

            Do you think Lakshmi Nivas Mittal, owner of ArcelorMittal, the largest steel company in the world, would be the fourth richest on the planet without the British?
            Look how happy he is!

        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 3 August 2020 14: 57 New
          -1
          Quote: Arzt
          The USSR was an empire, therefore it collapsed.

          Please explain your idea.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 3 August 2020 15: 31 New
            -1
            The USSR was an empire, therefore it collapsed.

            Please explain your idea.

            Before the revolution, the incorporation of new territories into the state took place mainly by forceful seizure. Nobody hid this, that's why the Russian Empire was called. The territories were ruled by governors, with minor splashes of local aristocracy. The provincial boundaries and population remained the same with the corresponding mentality of subordination to the metropolis.

            After the revolution, the reunification of the provinces with the core also did not take place on a voluntary basis. The ethnic composition of the republics remained in the localities, retained national identity and greater freedom in personnel matters.

            When trying to put Russian Kolbin on the head of Kazakhstan, centrifugal processes began, which ended in disintegration.
        3. bk316
          bk316 3 August 2020 15: 32 New
          +2
          USA IS NOT EMPIRE. USA - REPUBLIC.

          Republics don't fall apart

          About how everything is running. Learn learn and learn.
      2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 7 August 2020 12: 17 New
        0
        In our time, the thesis about the inevitable collapse of empires is launched and exaggerated by Satanists, “globalists”. They definitely do not need serious independent states. Monarchies are not needed, empires are not needed.
        These scoundrels need quasi-states - "corrals" for "working cattle" - PEOPLE. Otherwise, these pens are called kontslageryam and. Now the aforementioned little guys are building a fashionable electronic world concentration camp.
        The forces of Russia and America can and should be directed at a common enemy - the so-called. ,, globalists ,,. They, Satanists, “globalists”, bring destruction to the world, bloody chaos, the power of not cinematic Darkness.
        ,, Ordinary nonhumans ,, (,, UFO ,, - convenient, sensible, true in meaning) organized, cunning, ruthless. They, for example, blew up skyscrapers in New York in 2001. They attacked the Pentagon with a cruise missile on September 11 ...
        The Trump administration has been quite successful in opposing UFOs. Understands the seriousness of the confrontation.
        The author of the commentary has big doubts about the state ,, RK ,, (,, Russia Capitalist ,,) that ,, rules ,, now in the territory of the country of Russia. It actively flirts with globalists - Satanists, imposing all their gadgets on the country of Russia - all these cards, chips,, numbers,, -codes ,, with the notorious ,, 666 ,, and other accompanying hydrogen sulphide crap. Permissiveness, impunity, moral licentiousness, cult of crime ...
        What RK, a fighter, with Darkness, is clearly shown by the pentagram - the symbol of the Antichrist and Satan, proudly soaring over the Kremlin.
        ... Did the Satanists, the Nazis, bring something good to the world in the last century? Then America and Russia managed to unite to fight a common enemy.
        What good do Satanists - globalists bring to the world these days? But are there forces (meanings, opportunities, reserves, desires ...) to unite the efforts of America and Russia now?
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 3 August 2020 11: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Svarog
      who else is our common enemy?

      Two imperialist states cannot have friendly relations at all. That is, never. They can only temporarily unite against this or that external enemy.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 3 August 2020 12: 51 New
        -2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Two imperialist states cannot have friendly relations,
        fool
        Imperialism (from Latin imperium - power, domination) is a state policy based on the use of military force for various forms of foreign policy expansion, including the seizure of territories, the formation of colonies and the establishment of political or economic control over other countries. During the intensification of colonial expansion by the European powers and the United States in the last third of the XNUMXth century, the use of the word "imperialism" practically coincided with the use of the word "colonialism".
        Russia is an empire, but it has nothing to do with imperialism.fool We have nothing to do with the United States.
        Empire (from Lat. Imperium - power) is a monarchical state headed by an emperor, or a colonial or internationally significant power, based in its domestic and foreign policy on the military estates (organized army) and acting in the interests of the military estates. As a rule, an empire unites different peoples and territories into a single state with a single political center, which plays a significant role in the region or even throughout the world. The most famous [1] empires were the Roman, Holy Roman, Mongol, Ottoman, Russian and British.
        Two big differences.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 3 August 2020 14: 05 New
          +4
          Russia is an empire, but it has nothing to do with imperialism.
          .... Justify why the empire and why capitalist Russia, which in your words is an empire, is not imperialist ..? Does it have no economic interests in foreign markets? And if there is, then it turns out that they do not intersect with the interests of other imperialist states?
    4. sergo1914
      sergo1914 3 August 2020 12: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: Svarog
      What are our common enemies interesting?


      Well, on a jump-start: hostile aliens, reptilians ...
      1. prodi
        prodi 3 August 2020 13: 21 New
        0
        it still needs to be looked at!
    5. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 3 August 2020 13: 30 New
      +1
      The United States destroyed our country. For this alone, you can drown them. And even necessary, otherwise we will be whipping boys. And silly snotty sentiments are useless here.
      And if the United States does disintegrate, which is not ruled out, then the leading role in the anti-Chinese alliance may well go to Russia. Or Russia and Germany. How do you know?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 3 August 2020 14: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Beringovsky
        The United States destroyed our country. For this alone, you can drown them. And even necessary, otherwise we will be whipping boys. And silly snotty sentiments are useless here.

        The USSR was destroyed, if you don't know, renegades from the CPSU. It cannot be said, of course, that the United States did not have a hand in this, but their role was not the main one. I repeat, the USSR was ruined by the current beneficiaries of the thieves' privatization of the USSR's national property. If everything goes the way it is, the Russian Federation will repeat the fate of the USSR, because the current comprador bourgeoisie does not know how to build and does not want to be able to, and lives only from the sale of Russian assets to foreign "investors".
        Quote: Beringovsky
        And if the United States does disintegrate, which is not ruled out, then the leading role in the anti-Chinese alliance may well go to Russia. Or Russia and Germany. How do you know?

        It will not disintegrate, there is no need to amuse yourself with unrealizable hopes. And if suddenly this happens, then China will take the place of the United States.
        1. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 4 August 2020 01: 46 New
          0
          1) It is not necessary to hang all the dogs on the notorious renegades. I know if that. To each his own. America, taking advantage of economic superiority, both its own and its satellites, imposed an arms race on us. Thus, bledging our economy. We had to make guns instead of oil, figuratively speaking. If not for this race, then we could pay much more attention to the consumer goods sector, and who knows what the standard of living of Soviet people would have been in the 90s. And they would listen to these "renegades" of yours.
          The second main factor in the collapse was nationalism, which America also strongly supported and fanned in our country.
          Now let the Americans experience the delights of an arms race with huge China on their own skin. Let them make guns instead of butter. And we will help them with nationalism, since there is someone to help.
          As it comes around, it will respond, as they say. And this is true.
          2) RF is not the USSR. Here 80% of Russians and playing on nationalism will not work.
          3) Will not disintegrate, oh? Everything decays, even plutonium. If there are objective prerequisites for disintegration, then it is quite possible. And in the United States, such prerequisites are quite available, from the uneven development of different regions and different ethnic composition to different foreign economic interests. The same California is much more connected by the economy with the Asia-Pacific countries than with the east coast of the United States. This is no longer the country that a hundred years ago and a new great depression might not withstand. If she comes and everyone grabs their wallet, who will unite them?
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 4 August 2020 11: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Beringovsky
            America, taking advantage of economic superiority, both its own and its satellites, imposed an arms race on us. Thus, bleeding our economy. We had to make guns instead of oil, figuratively speaking.

            So who made us make so many guns, and even so many types? Wouldn't it have been better to stop in time, and not to spin the flywheel of the "race of parity", which, moreover, was not supported by the rear (especially in the fleet)?
            Quote: Beringovsky
            The second main factor in the collapse was nationalism, which America also strongly supported and fanned in our country.

            Well, here ours were also good - just remember the Leninist concept of internationalism as a "deflection" of a great nation before small nations, the choice of the national-territorial division of the USSR (and the national republics) and Bolshevik Ukrainization.
            Quote: Beringovsky
            2) RF is not the USSR. Here 80% of Russians and playing on nationalism will not work.

            Oh, come on. Otherwise, you don't remember saints 90s and the same Shaimiev.
            One of the first things VVP did was to bring local-national laws in line with all-Russian ones.
        2. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 4 August 2020 02: 01 New
          +3
          if suddenly this happens, then China will take the place of the United States.

          It won't take. In addition to economic and military power, we also need authority and attractiveness. China has neither the one nor the other. Many wanted to be "Americans", nobody wants to be "Chinese".
          In addition, no one would agree to such a role for China, neither the EU, nor India, nor the Arabs, nor Latin America. Nobody will follow China, not even its neighbors. So China has little chance of becoming a leader. I can't even imagine what the Chinese need to do to change this. Probably stop being Chinese, no less.
    6. paul3390
      paul3390 4 August 2020 14: 12 New
      0
      What are our common enemies interesting?
      It is known which ones are bourgeois. What our people have, what the American ..
  2. knn54
    knn54 3 August 2020 11: 40 New
    +1
    The Anglo-Saxons have no friends or enemies, there are ONLY interests. Proven by history.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 August 2020 12: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      Interests ONLY

      Where loot rules, there can be no friendship! So, "partners", swing them there!
      1. depressant
        depressant 3 August 2020 13: 10 New
        +9
        Here is your opinion, colleague Uncle Lee, I support unequivocally. What kind of friendship? They climbed in, contributed to the murder of my country, took trophies, and now be friends with them. Only cold, extremely calculating trade, economic and political relations. Like a tarantula. Watch out for the slightest movement. And so we are hooked through the IMF. We should get rid of it.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 3 August 2020 14: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: depressant
          We should get rid of it.

          And here I completely agree with you! love
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  3. apro
    apro 3 August 2020 11: 42 New
    0
    Friendship between Russia and Ukraine? Something new ... and why this issue was raised? Absolutely different weight categories.
    1. astepanov
      astepanov 3 August 2020 11: 55 New
      +6
      There can be no friendship - except for the relationship of a vassal-suzerain, and the United States sees itself as a suzerain. And during World War II, the United States helped exactly as much as was needed to maximize the exhaustion of the USSR and Germany, and then rushed to share the pie, taking advantage of the presence of atomic weapons and the monstrous losses of the USSR. And immediately they formed an alliance against the USSR with Britain and France. Alas, today's Russia, in terms of motivation and power and a candlestick, is not suitable for the USSR and cannot compete with the United States - and therefore "friendship" is possible only on the basis of the enemy. And this is not friendship, but surrender. Like "friendship" between Iraq and the United States.
      1. apro
        apro 3 August 2020 11: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: astepanov
        Alas, today's Russia, in terms of motivation and power, and holds a candle to the USSR, cannot compete with the United States.

        I'm glad that you noticed ... everything from goal-setting, Americans want to be leaders, and they do everything for that. Russians want to be a leader, but they don't do anything for this ...
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 3 August 2020 14: 08 New
      +3
      Already different, "but could be friends" (c) mf "Three heroes and the Shamakhan queen"
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 3 August 2020 11: 50 New
    +2
    Russia and the United States could solve all these problems by joint efforts.

    It may be ... but as practice shows ... this simply cannot be ... yes so that all this is sheer nonsense ...
  5. nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 August 2020 11: 51 New
    +1
    Friendship with America. If not to the detriment of another power, America will not agree. This whole conversation is aimed at breaking the defensive link with China. There has long been casting a bait. Theoretically, we can live in peace with the United States, but practically..It's easier for all tycoons to escape from this hell. Only build relationships based on reality.
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 3 August 2020 11: 53 New
    -6
    Quote: I. Polonsky
    Of course, the United States and Russia are geopolitical rivals. However, the alignments in world politics are changing and it is possible that Russia and the United States will have to unite with each other more than once against common enemies that pose a threat to both the Russian and American states.

    I hope we will not unite against China, otherwise practice, as a criterion of truth, shows that:
    - when we with the West, under the tsars, were "friends" against China, we had a revolution;
    - when we were friends with China against the West, the USSR became the first economy in the world;
    - when we, under Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the hunchback, were again friends with the West against China, we had perestroika;
    - when we are friends with China today, Russia becomes more powerful from year to year.

    So should we be friends with the West against China again, as Pompeo dreams of?

    ps
    There are only three civilizations in the World: the civilization of the West, East and Russia. It is they who determine the global policy in the World.
    1. Flamberg
      Flamberg 3 August 2020 12: 05 New
      +1
      There are only three civilizations in the World: the civilization of the West, East and Russia

      The crown! The crown needs to be removed urgently! Presses after all!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 3 August 2020 12: 24 New
        -5
        Quote: Flamberg
        The crown! The crown needs to be removed urgently! Presses after all!

        Don't you agree that there are three civilizations in the World? Then give your arguments. Yes, and turn the vise lever the other way, otherwise your screams interfere with thinking. laughing

        1. Doctor
          Doctor 3 August 2020 13: 28 New
          0
          Don't you agree that there are three civilizations in the World? Then give your arguments. Yes, and turn the vise lever the other way, otherwise your screams interfere with thinking.

          There are three civilizations in the world (not counting the remnants of the Incas and Aztecs, Africans and wild tribes).

          But Russia belongs to the European one. Racial phenotype, European (albeit Greek) alphabet, not hieroglyphs or Arabic script, common historical traditions (Greece, Rome), religion.

          It's just that the country is large, it captures part of the Eastern civilization, so some find it difficult.
        2. military_cat
          military_cat 3 August 2020 13: 36 New
          +3
          If people do not have material wealth, this does not mean that they are not inclined to materialism. They are just poor. But it is unpleasant for them to think about it, so they will invent reasons why they do not need material goods. But I, on the contrary, sincerely and from the bottom of my heart wish all my fellow citizens all kinds of material benefits. And not only the richest stratum, which from the TV washes the population about a special spiritual path, without looking up from pineapples and hazel grouses.
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 3 August 2020 19: 49 New
            -1
            well noticed. in the Council of Deputies, the entire presidium of the atheists were right now, 20 years later, all the same abruptly ran into the church ... for that reason it was not created in this world, so you will eat on that grouse)))
            Father Fyodor never answered the question ...
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 3 August 2020 15: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Don't you agree that there are three civilizations in the World?

          Please substantiate your idea. Let's just first define what you mean by the word "civilization" and what you mean by the word "Peace". Otherwise, all this smacks of metaphysics.
        4. Kisa
          Kisa 3 August 2020 19: 39 New
          -1
          there is a typo in the picture - the most conscientious civilization with the highest corruption)))
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      3. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 3 August 2020 13: 44 New
        +3
        The crown needs to be removed urgently!

        Nothing, we will be patient.
        Better a tight crown than the padded jester hat some of the former "brothers" wore. Or non-brothers wassat
  7. Tank hard
    Tank hard 3 August 2020 11: 54 New
    -5
    During the Second World War, the United States provided great support to the Soviet Union, sending weapons, military equipment, food and other goods so much needed at the front.

    Certainly for a good price in gold, they say. repeat
    it is possible that Russia and the United States will have to unite with each other against common enemies more than once

    Well, if LGBT supporters win in the Russian Federation, then they may unite under the rainbow flag. laughing
    Russia and the United States can be not only likely opponents and competitors, but also friends

    What a strange article, the author. What is this new trend? Are we probing the interests of our readers?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 August 2020 11: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Certainly for a good price in gold, they say.

      Only for what was bought outside of Lend-Lease.
      We paid 6,5% for the lend-lease itself, excluding inflation. That is, they paid at the prices of 1945 in dollars of the late 90s. It's like buying at Soviet prices and paying with today's rubles. smile
  8. magnate
    magnate 3 August 2020 12: 08 New
    +5
    Comrades, what kind of friendship can there be between the first and fifteenth economies in the world?
    Imposing your interests?
    Or second and fifteenth?
    Everyone is interested in sales markets and cheap raw materials and qualified, again, cheap labor.
  9. 1536
    1536 3 August 2020 12: 08 New
    0
    What can we call "friendly relations" between countries? For people, friendship is when, from childhood, a boy and a girl walk hand in hand, even if sometimes they quarrel and fight. But then, when they grow up, they become husband and wife, they have children. And here someone is always in a dependent position, and sometimes both parents.
    This, for example, happened with Russia and the United States, after whose "friendship" in the 1990s, a number of countries were born, which now claim their rights to both "parents", so much so that at least it's time to run away from these "kids" ...
    So you can be friends when your interests do not overlap in any way with the interests of another, when there is nothing in common except an abstract understanding that they understand you as you are, and accept you as you are, and do not demand anything in return for such friendship, no concessions , victims, etc.
    Therefore, the unequivocal answer: no, there can be no friendship between Russia and the United States, from a word at all. Otherwise, we will again slide into "perestroika", which will be the last for us, and the United States will continue to boil like a "sewer hole", giving the world nothing but a smell, sometimes pleasant, sometimes not.
    It would be better to separate interests and areas of their refraction. But, alas, Russia today is too weak for this division to be equal, it is surrounded by betrayal of "friends" and attempts of enemies to snatch a fatter piece for themselves through deception and outright blackmail.
  10. Doctor
    Doctor 3 August 2020 12: 10 New
    +3
    Wow an article! Zombie program hung?

    Authors of VO, you drop this business, otherwise the people will guess that the Anglo-Saxons are our best friends, is it a conceivable business Zhenya Lebedev became a member of the British House of Lords!

    http://delovoe.tv/event/Biznesmen_Evgenij_Lebedev_stanet_chlenom_britanskoj_palati_lordov/



    God save our gracious Queen!
  11. Free wind
    Free wind 3 August 2020 12: 11 New
    -2
    I remembered something. Someone Stolypin, there was such a prime minister, if anyone remembers, wrote that Russia and the United States should be on good terms. The article is long, but the point is this. Like this.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 3 August 2020 12: 12 New
    0
    Anything can happen .... if aliens attack, with specific, aggressive targets!
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 August 2020 12: 57 New
      +1
      We have our own terrestrial "aliens", though artificially created by the United States, they will get out of control and there will be a reason to unite ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2020 13: 52 New
        +1
        The striped hopes are hoping for the oceans, for an iron fence, five meters high, we can do something else .... they haven’t been hit in the crown yet, at least they are sure of that.
        1. cniza
          cniza 3 August 2020 13: 53 New
          +2
          You can't hide from these behind the fence, and Tsarnaev's example is still fresh ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 3 August 2020 14: 11 New
            +2
            With minke whales now everything is very strange. They have a "circus" on the streets and in cities, when it will all end and how it is not clear.
            1. cniza
              cniza 3 August 2020 14: 31 New
              +2
              I have the impression that everything is just beginning and the whole "concert" is still ahead ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 3 August 2020 15: 00 New
                +1
                If you listen to "news from the fields" from different commentators, worthy of being listened to ..... it turns out that nothing is working out and they do not know what will be ahead!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 3 August 2020 15: 07 New
                  +2
                  That's just the point, even from there, many say that it is in certain areas. but here everything is quiet and they don't care about anything.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 3 August 2020 15: 09 New
                    +2
                    All the husk collects where it tastes better, but if this is not stopped, it will creep everywhere.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 3 August 2020 16: 01 New
                      +2
                      That's just the point, there is no understanding that you need to unite against evil, and not every man for himself ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 3 August 2020 18: 45 New
                        +1
                        Someone has not finished their education, someone is, in principle, an individual farmer, but for the rest it is simply not clear how they want to live longer and better. Paradox.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 3 August 2020 20: 50 New
                        +2
                        I think it is in their blood, I myself, I will survive and it is difficult to change it, well, they create squads in the towns on duty, but this is an amateur activity, it will not last long ...
  • iouris
    iouris 3 August 2020 12: 18 New
    +2
    Is there life on Mars, is there life on Mars - science does not know this!
    Russia and the United States are geopolitical rivals in the competition for Russia.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 3 August 2020 12: 20 New
    -2
    They will never be friendly because of the desire of each of them to dominate the world political arena
  • Griffit
    Griffit 3 August 2020 12: 21 New
    +2
    I wonder what people still think in the category of countries, although the era of states is receding into the past. Now states are promoting the interests of international corporations and the oligarchs and clans behind them. An example of what is happening in the United States and in Khabarovsk clearly shows that the oligarchy does not give a shit about the people living in these countries. Accordingly, friendship or enmity is determined by the interests of oligarchs and corporations.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 3 August 2020 12: 23 New
    +1
    It's not about the country of the United States and not about its people - it's about the leadership as well as Russia. By the way, the leaderships of the countries, in my opinion, get along well and even more than (which we if we look deeper and observe the last 35 years)
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR 3 August 2020 12: 25 New
    +2
    Nominal GDP ($ billion)
    USA 21.482
    RF 1.649
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 3 August 2020 12: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: A.TOR
      Nominal GDP ($ billion)

      It is not possible to defeat the printing press for all economies of the World combined.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 3 August 2020 13: 18 New
        +3
        A printing press can be defeated with another printing press. And if you can't, then it's not about the printing press.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 3 August 2020 13: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: military_cat
          A printing press can be defeated with another printing press. And if you can't, then it's not about the printing press.

          Spit about the forest ...
          "Girls" ©
          Who told you that you can? The EU defeated the US? Got rid of American patronage?
          The created financial system does not tolerate “other printing presses”. Here you can remember either:
          As the state grows rich,
          And what lives, and why
          He does not need gold,
          When a simple product has.

          Or the example of the PRC, when everything is at stake in order to achieve victory over "still a partner."
          Now on the topic:
          Can Russia and the United States have friendly relations: about history, the present day and prospects

          Honestly, I liked about aliens:
          Quote: rocket757
          Anything can happen .... if aliens attack, with specific, aggressive targets!

          good
          The only thing I can object to is that it is not known which side the United States will take for specific aggressive purposes. Examples of darkness. Why is Hitler better than aggressive aliens? So here too: we will remain in ruins and with huge losses, and on Wall Street I will count the profits.
      2. A.TOR
        A.TOR 3 August 2020 14: 54 New
        +2
        It's not about the country, but about the monstrous capacity of the domestic market. With effective demand (within), any economy, regardless of the political structure (form of government), will be stable and developing.
        In the United States, this was laid down, in fact, even during the formation of the state. It should be understood that the North American states are not, in fact, some kind of "young power, only 200 years old" - this country was formed by people from the highly developed European states at that time, therefore, the "length" of the historical foundation of the United States is numerically equal the historical foundation of Europe. How many years of historical development of Germany, Britain, France, etc. - so many years of the historical foundation of the United States.
        They took everything that they considered the best, the harmful - in their opinion - discarded.
        USA - a country of economic SUBJECTS. This is the basis for real prosperity and development
    2. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 3 August 2020 13: 51 New
      +1
      Well, if we compare the GDP of the Roman Empire and the barbarian world, the result would be even more impressive. But it didn't save Rome.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 August 2020 12: 32 New
    +1
    Can Russia and the United States have friendly relations?

    The question is not put correctly. Will the Russian and the Anglo-Saxon be able to build their relations peacefully and respectfully? Moreover, the question refers specifically to the Anglo-Saxon.
    1. prodi
      prodi 3 August 2020 13: 26 New
      +1
      with Britain it is possible (although in the end it is unlikely), with the USA - no! This culture must completely share the fate of "destroyed" by it
  • bar
    bar 3 August 2020 12: 33 New
    +1
    Can Russia and the United States have friendly relations?

    The historical enmity of the Naglo-Saxons with Russia has been going on since the time of Ivan the Terrible. And as long as the Naglo-Saxons rule in the US, there can be no friendly relations. negative
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 August 2020 12: 36 New
    +6
    We need to tackle our vast country and methodically, effectively address problems and tasks of an internal nature. Economic, demographic, social, scientific and technical. For this we have resources, people, minds, territory - we have everything. Instead, we, according to the old habit inherited from the USSR, are trying to climb as an octopus wherever we can, without any clear plans - but with our own weapons, dough and rules. We spend money, resources and time on all this - which we could spend on ourselves. On some of these areas, we intersect with the United States, which are doing the same thing, but unlike us, they have a good economy, a healthy rear and objectively better demographics.
    We need to let them play their games - let them get bogged down in banana dictatorships up to their ears, let China take over the baton of the main antagonist, let our former rotten allies sell out - we must be strong ourselves, and not spend a penny of resources on adventures outside.
    20,30 years of such a policy and the United States and Europe themselves will want to build relations with us, the business of the former republics of the USSR will creep into our belly.
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 August 2020 12: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      We need to tackle our vast country and methodically, effectively address problems and tasks of an internal nature. Economic, demographic, social, scientific and technical. For this we have resources, people, minds, territory - we have everything.


      Everything is correct, but, unfortunately, we will not be allowed to do this until the external situation settles down, these are the objective laws ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 3 August 2020 13: 09 New
        +2
        So that we are "given" to do this, we need all these Sarmatians, Poseidons and other nuclear guts, as well as our developments in air defense / missile defense. We have everything. In the next 20-30 years, the potential enemy will most likely not find any unconventional and at the same time effective ways to neutralize this (except for the option with an orbital missile defense) - which means we have (for now) this time. Now the focus of US attention can and should be on China - so the situation is pretty good for our development (although, of course, not ideal).

        Of course, we have many threats and not the best neighbors, but we must admit - all our "efforts" in external directions, all our "allies" are nothing more than cardboard - which will knock us off if the situation heats up. So that in case of such "heating" our own regions do not start to fall from us - we need to do our own thing as a priority. In the history of the country there should be a stage of consolidation, preparation for challenges - we are skipping this stage now, preferring exaggerated popular prints and ceremonial politics - to the economic and cultural subordination of those who are really and strategically interested in us.
  • iouris
    iouris 3 August 2020 12: 42 New
    +2
    Did the United States have friendly relations with Indians during the colonization of North America? And now the United States is colonizing the rest of the world: it has become cramped in the Western Hemisphere.
    1. cniza
      cniza 3 August 2020 12: 50 New
      +1
      So they have long been not only in the Western Hemisphere ...
      1. iouris
        iouris 3 August 2020 13: 54 New
        +1
        They may be in Minsk tomorrow. Colin's dad is still alive?
  • Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 3 August 2020 12: 48 New
    -4
    It's funny to read about "geopolitics" on VO. It's even funnier to read comments about "geopolitics". laughing
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 August 2020 13: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Ronald Reagan
      It's funny to read about "geopolitics" on VO. It's even funnier to read comments about "geopolitics".

      And you laugh and write. Maybe we can laugh together.
      yes
  • cniza
    cniza 3 August 2020 12: 49 New
    +2
    The disintegration of the United States and the destabilization of this country, if one frees itself from emotions, is not at all profitable for Russia, since the entire world system will collapse and Russia will be among the first to feel the consequences of such a large-scale transformation.


    And not only Russia, everyone will be shaking for a long time ...
  • Operator
    Operator 3 August 2020 12: 49 New
    -1
    Already 28 years ago there is no ideological confrontation between the communist USSR and the capitalist USA, and the Americanophiles are itching to bully

    The author wants to death that everything would be like in the 2000s: the United States would expand its sphere of influence at an accelerated pace (smashing countries like Serbia, Iraq and Libya, unleashing its mongrels like Georgia), and Russia would "not show aggression."

    Even the notorious "joint" struggle against terrorism after the explosion of the Twin Towers (the absence of which the author laments) looked very original: first, the United States unleashed a terrorist war in the North Caucasus, and then tearfully asked Russia to help in the fight against terror against America - complete surrealism.

    In all the leading American documents adopted in the last decade by three presidents, Congress and the Pentagon, Russia is designated as an adversary without the prefix "potential." The fact that China also began to appear in the last four years has not changed anything for us.

    The United States unilaterally withdrew or announced its withdrawal from three treaties on the limitation of strategic arms - ABM, SMD and START (in February 2021). Only two treaties survived - on the prohibition of nuclear tests and the non-deployment of nuclear weapons in space. It is clear that not for long.

    The United States unleashed a disinformation war against the Russian Federation - Litvinenko, Skripali, Syria, Ukraine, and then everywhere. America finances the pro-American opposition in post-Soviet Russia all the way. An economic war in the form of sanctions is openly waged.

    Therefore, you should not throw snot on your fist and tearfully remember the event of 75 years ago - the USSR and the USA as situational allies in WWII. The alliance ended with the nuclear bombing of Japan as a demonstration of the future for the USSR - if anyone has forgotten.

    Our task is to build up Russia's nuclear missile potential, crush the American fifth column inside the country and put pressure on the United States in all azimuths, including the American one, with the undermining of political stability within America in order to eliminate it from within.

    There was no need to make an enemy out of us and think that there would be no response.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 3 August 2020 14: 41 New
      +2
      The coolest surrealism in Syria, Turkey, the USA, Russia joined the fight against terrorism in this country ... As a result, the "world terrorists" were like defeated, but others appeared, pro-Iranian, pro-Turkish, pro-American, even as it flashed in one of the news in the VO, pro-Russian, in addition, in the course of the fight against terrorism, Turkey received the Syrian province of Idlib, the US Syrian oil in Kurdistan, Russia, practically nothing but a military base ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 3 August 2020 16: 12 New
        -4
        The commie's tearful cry about his mommee - Jewish banking capital bully
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 3 August 2020 12: 55 New
    +3
    What is US friendship? Friendship of the United States with someone is the "friendship" of Sher Khan and Tabaka. Is Russia ready to try on the skin of a jackal? No! There will be no friendship between the United States and the Russian Federation. Only coexistence.
  • Operator
    Operator 3 August 2020 12: 59 New
    0
    Quote: apro
    sga

    CIS: Commonwealth of Independent African American States - This is more correct laughing
  • Operator
    Operator 3 August 2020 13: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: Ronald Reagan
    It's funny to read on VO about "geopolitics"

    ... kneeling in front of African Americans laughing
  • Van 16
    Van 16 3 August 2020 13: 11 New
    +3
    As far as I remember, under Brezhnev, before 79, there were not friendly relations between the Union and the States, of course, no, but quite respectful relations. But the Union was strong then.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 3 August 2020 13: 51 New
    +2
    In fact, friendship always goes against someone else. Not only the USA and the Russian Federation, but also the rest. As soon as the enemy disappears, everyone immediately gnaws at them.

    I don’t remember how at school, but at the institutes it was definitely passed.
    PS. I only found out yesterday. Russians and Turks were sometimes quite successful friends. For example, under Suvorov. Against Franzuv ....
  • Million
    Million 3 August 2020 14: 00 New
    +2
    In the struggle for world leadership there can be no friends: only temporary partners or enemies
  • Courier
    Courier 3 August 2020 15: 38 New
    -2
    If Russia needs economic growth, it will have to be friends with the United States.
    After 1945, any economic miracle, in any country, is associated with the United States. That's all
  • bk316
    bk316 3 August 2020 15: 46 New
    +1
    What is this nonsense? States are not people (and not even nations), they cannot be friends. They can fight or enter into alliances, they can provide assistance (paid or gratuitous) or, on the contrary, restrain each other, but they cannot be friends by definition.

    Is it possible for a conscientious relationship between the US and the Russian Federation? Of course, but any alliance should have a goal, well, at least to defeat a common enemy. At the moment, I do not see such goals, which means that the union is now impossible.

    Whether a war is possible between the USA and the Russian Federation is obviously possible.

    Whether help or containment is possible, it is not just possible, and acts of both help and containment occur regularly. Recently, there is more and more deterrence - sanctions are a classic containment mechanism.

    ALL (3 paragraphs) - what is there to discuss next?
    Will the United States collapse (of course, it will collapse - all empires and not empires die sooner or later), but that's about something else ...
    Let's discuss this if you want: "when the US collapses and what we need to do"
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 3 August 2020 16: 08 New
    -3
    "During the Second World War, the United States provided great support to the Soviet Union" - what can you do for gold. Russian gold. And for Russian blood ...
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 3 August 2020 16: 56 New
    +1
    When aliens with Betelgeuse their specials. rays will burn out the central brain of the entire oligarchy, officials and bribe-takers on Earth, then the peoples of Russia and the United States will unite against aliens ... Until this moment, nikah. IMHO ...
  • dimasik-nl
    dimasik-nl 3 August 2020 17: 13 New
    +4
    Personally, Americans are closer to me, I listen with pleasure to American music, watch their films, read books by American writers, use their software, hardware, but the Chinese are not my friends or comrades. Let us remember who destroys Siberia, animals. Who steals technology. That's right, Trump is pinching them.
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 August 2020 20: 00 New
    0
    North American Babylon must be destroyed!
  • vfdvvc
    vfdvvc 3 August 2020 20: 39 New
    0
    It is better to be friends with an enemy who openly does not respect you than to be friends with an enemy who respects you from under the tizka.
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 3 August 2020 20: 59 New
    -1
    "During the Second World War, the United States provided great support to the Soviet Union by sending weapons .."
    The TRUTH is that the necessary goods really went to the USSR, the Russian Federation has finished paying for these goods in the 21st century.
    The TRUTH is that it was a profitable business, and before that, the United States sent the necessary cargo to Hitler's Germany, helping the fascist monster to gain strength. The terrible bloodshed of the Second World War was used by the states to the maximum for the development of their economies and the conquest of leading positions in the world. The consequence was that while the USSR and Europe were coping with the devastation, the states used it for their own purposes and began to put pressure on the whole world.
    GOD SAFE FROM SUCH FRIENDS! And the leaders of the state, dreaming of such a friendship: it's like a sheep dreaming of friendship with a wolf, negotiating and lamenting that they have deceived us.
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 3 August 2020 21: 34 New
      0
      The TRUTH is that the necessary goods really went to the USSR, the Russian Federation has finished paying for these goods in the 21st century.

      The road is a spoon for dinner. In war and for gold, you can not always buy. Especially on those scales.

      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 4 August 2020 21: 49 New
        0
        And what did I write? And the end of payments in the 21st century also testifies to a significant volume of cargo received, even for a large country .. And they were very necessary, important .. I can add that not all convoys reached Murmansk. This is because the delivery of goods was accompanied by casualties. This is an important page in history, it's true. Calling it true, I am not belittling the significance of this page in history.
        The facts testifying to mutual assistance, and such in relations between Russia and the United States are found in all centuries, are not the basis for the idyll of eternal friendship.
        We need good relations between countries. Good relationships between countries are achieved similarly to interpersonal relationships. The most reliable way is invulnerability. With a strong, self-sufficient person, no one wants to spoil the relationship: neither strong nor weak, nor grim, nor worthy. In order to be respected, you have to become worthy of respect. Any manifestation of weakness is the basis for causing damage, and it does not matter later that the minor damage becomes unacceptable, it will be impossible to stop the process. The winner is always the one who does not spend energy on the fight.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 3 August 2020 21: 57 New
    -1
    In the days of RI - US aid was dictated solely by the fight against the strengthening of the WB.
    Napoleon / France did the same at different times.
    The French generally participated directly in the creation of the United States. And their help is more significant. Because the interests of France (as well as RI) here were directed against England.
    Something the author forgot to mention two things-cooperation and the struggle of the United States with the help of loans for nuclear weapons in the RYA. With the sale of Alaska. Great help with hunger in the USSR and industrialization.
    Cooperation in space.
    However, all achievements are usually RI / USSR. For they had a huge impact on the world. Unfortunately, the Russian Federation is no longer the world's second economy. And the status is no longer even a regional country.
    Can the USA and Russia be partners in something? They are still partners in many programs.
  • vfdvvc
    vfdvvc 3 August 2020 22: 19 New
    0
    The US assistance under Lend-Lease was invaluable, the top leaders of the USSR spoke about it without it, the country would have lost the war, and perhaps the USSR would not have existed in the future, no matter if the allies took gold or something else. This is a fact that must be admitted.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 4 August 2020 07: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: vfdvvc
      The US assistance under Lend-Lease was invaluable, the top leaders of the USSR spoke about this without it, the country would lose the war, and perhaps the USSR would not exist in the future

      Top leaders spoke a little differently. Moscow and Stalingrad were defended practically without Lend-Lease. Of course, without this help, it would be somewhat more difficult and costly for us in terms of time and people. But the United States, without our participation with the Japanese, would have sacrificed a million lives. And in terms of time they would have gone far beyond the 45th year. So L-L was beneficial to us and to them. Thank God and Roosevelt and Stalin that they were able to see the positive from cooperation. If the WC hadn't gotten underfoot, maybe the practical exit from L-L would have been more significant, and the 2nd front would have been opened in 1943 ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 4 August 2020 07: 06 New
    0
    However, the alignments in world politics are changing and it is possible that Russia and the United States will have to unite with each other more than once against common enemies.

    Of course, it is very difficult to exclude something in the future. And the further the forecast horizon is, the more difficult it is. In attempts to see the "alignments" in world politics, it is useful to set a time frame. I think that the probability of the unification of Russia and the United States on global issues in the next 30-40 years is close to 0. In any case, even in theory, even the scanty prerequisites for friendly relations are not visible. But for confrontation - as much as necessary. The mere fact that the United States imagines itself to be the world hegemon is already putting it in opposition against all who see themselves as a sovereign entity. And then, the basis of the US economy is its military-industrial complex. How can you be friends if arms sales suffer from friendship? The United States benefits from peace in the fire of wars. We are against ... There are very few points of cooperation.
  • Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov 4 August 2020 08: 38 New
    0
    A kind word and missiles, better than a kind word of demshiz ...
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 August 2020 13: 00 New
    0
    In no case is any friendship possible. First of all, the Russian concept of friendship is not typical of Western civilization. For the Anglo-Saxon, a friend is a person with whom you can go for a drink, to rob or murder, and who can be profitably sold at the right moment. Of course, Russian concepts are also being used less and less, Russians don't even have a country anymore, now "dear Russians" are in favor here, but so far ...
    And secondly, Russia does not allow itself to be robbed. This is the reason for the enduring American hatred and anger. As long as Russia is there, there is no talk of any friendship and cannot be.
  • NF68
    NF68 4 August 2020 15: 55 New
    0
    Making friends with a sharpie is very dangerous.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 7 August 2020 13: 09 New
    0
    What enemies can Russia or the United States have in a global sense? I don’t take terrorists - it’s a global problem, but fortunately not a global one for civilization. Enemies of this magnitude are only among themselves. Against whom can "historical friends" unite? China? Hardly ....
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 8 August 2020 00: 47 New
    +1
    In principle, they cannot. And history proves it.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 8 August 2020 20: 22 New
    0
    The Anglo-Saxons (the top, not the people) are friends only when they are pinned down. And friendship with them is more terrible than enmity. The death of the Union has convincingly proved this.