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"Problems with the engine and thermal imager are resolved": the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade spoke about "Armata"

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The problem with engines for the Russian newest tank The T-14 "Armata" has been resolved, and the developers also figured out the issue of thermal imagers for the tank. The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov told about this in an interview with TASS.


Answering the corresponding question from the journalist, Manturov said that today there are no problems with the engine and thermal imager for the T-14 "Armata" tank. A thermal imager from the Russian company "Shvabe" is installed on the machine, he did not explain anything about the engine, confining himself to a statement that the power plant meets the characteristics requested by the military.

Yes. Issues concerning both engines and thermal imagers have been resolved. The engine produces exactly those parameters, technical characteristics that were laid down in the TTZ during the design. As for thermal imagers, I can say with confidence that we have a completely import-substituted Russian product, which is produced by Shvabe

- the minister said.

Recall that in early February, some Russian media wrote about a problem with the engines for the T-14 Armata tank. It was reported that the development of a diesel engine within the framework of Chaika R&D was closed, and the engine developer, the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant, officially announced:

(...) putting the developed engine into serial production due to its flaws and technically unattainable parameters is inappropriate


If the development of a new X-shaped engine for "Armata" was still stopped, what kind of engine is Manturov talking about? It is possible that a modification of the "eternally alive" B2 will be installed on the tank, since there are no other options, but what characteristics will it give? In general, after this statement, even more questions arose for the developers of the tank.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 August 2020 09: 13 New
    0
    Rather, to the troops ...
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 August 2020 09: 14 New
    -13
    The problem with engines for the newest Russian T-14 Armata tank has been resolved. Due to its flaws and technically unattainable parameters, putting the developed engine into serial production is impractical.
    Dumas father or son?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 3 August 2020 10: 01 New
      -2
      Two-faced Janus.
    2. Orange
      Orange bigg 3 August 2020 10: 13 New
      17
      The engine was modified with a power of 1500-1800 hp.
      The Armata platform is equipped with a 12H12 (A-360-85A) 3N12 (A-35-XNUMXA) XNUMX-cylinder four-stroke X-shaped diesel engine with a gas turbine turbocharging and liquid cooling. The XNUMX cylinders are arranged in an X-shape and have a total volume of almost XNUMX liters.

      The engine was developed by KB Transdiesel, in Chelyabinsk. The diesel is multi-fuel and, if necessary (along with diesel fuel), can run on gasoline, kerosene or their mixtures in any proportion.

      The mixture is formed by direct fuel injection. The compression ratio in the cylinders is 11. A-85-3 produces up to 2000 rpm. and develops a rated power of 1500 hp. If you use boost, the engine can give up to 2,2 thousand hp. At the same time, the possibility of "removal" of forcing is indicated, which reduces the power to 1200-1300 hp, but significantly increases the engine resource.

      Click on the blue bar for more information.

      A-85-3, aka 2V12-3, 12ChN15 / 16 or 12N360
      The engine has a switchable maximum power from 1200 hp. from. up to 1500 l. from. The production cars will be equipped with a version of the engine with a maximum power of 1800 hp. from. At a capacity of 1200 liters. from. a resource of 10000 engine hours is guaranteed, that is, in fact, for the entire period of operation of the tank. The speed of the tank is 90 km / h.
      The tank can march 500 km without refueling. The increase in the march range was achieved due to the greater efficiency of the four-stroke engine; the four-stroke engine also has a 1,5 times longer service life, easier to start at low temperatures and requires less air for blowing, which reduces the visibility of the car in the infrared range and does not require massive air filters. The time to replace the engine after damage is 30 minutes.

      http://youinf.ru/dvigatel-tanka-t14-armata/
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 3 August 2020 10: 58 New
        +7
        Yoksel-moxel! How familiar the characteristics are! Which were described in the magazine "Foreign Military Review" in the 80s of the last century in an article on the prospects for the development of tank building ... mainly foreign!
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 3 August 2020 11: 27 New
          -12
          A thermal imager from the Russian company "Shvabe
          What is the Russian name .... Can you tell me from which province?
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 August 2020 12: 12 New
            +1
            not all the same what is the name of a private company?
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 3 August 2020 12: 15 New
              -12
              In this case, never! There is a PRODUCT! Which has a number and those data.
              Sorry, I did not specify your gender, but imagine if a woman is told:
              It does not matter whether it is a dress or a skirt from Cardin or "Rosa Luxemburg"!
          2. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 3 August 2020 12: 36 New
            15
            The factory was given its historical name back. It was Shvabe who founded it before the revolution.
          3. Orange
            Orange bigg 3 August 2020 13: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            A thermal imager from the Russian company "Shvabe
            What is the Russian name .... Can you tell me from which province?


            Follow the link below for a detailed biography of Fyodor Shvabe.

            In 2008, within the framework of the state policy on reforming the military-industrial complex of Russia and to increase the competitiveness of the Russian optical industry on the world market, a structure was created that united the leading enterprises of the industry - the Shvabe holding.

            Today Shvabe includes 64 organizations, including research institutes, design bureaus and research and production associations. The Optical Holding manufactures more than 6500 thousand items, which are supplied to 95 countries of the world.

            https://shvabe.com/about/history_more/
          4. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 3 August 2020 16: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            A thermal imager from the Russian company Shvabe is installed on the machine ... Can you tell me which province?

            Most likely produced by JSC Novosibirsk Instrument-Making Plant.
        2. 5-9
          5-9 3 August 2020 12: 20 New
          0
          The size of Western engines up to MTU886 in the mid-XNUMXs was prohibitive, so tanks the size of a barn were ... Power, excluding other performance characteristics, nothing ..
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 3 August 2020 11: 12 New
        +7
        ..... If the development of a new X-shaped engine for the "Armata" was still stopped, what kind of engine is Manturov talking about? It is possible that a modification of the "forever alive" B2 will be installed on the tank, since there are no other options ....
        Don't confuse people. The X-shaped engine has long been developed and skated a bunch of hours on various armored vehicles (object 195, object 187, object 219RD, object 785). But instead of him, they suddenly decided to put some kind of "Seagull" on Armatu. Here with her, once again, it did not work out. And we returned to the engine that was originally intended for the Armata (X-shaped).
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 3 August 2020 11: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Don't confuse people. The X-shaped engine has long been developed and skated a bunch of hours on various armored vehicles (object 195, object 187, object 219RD, object 785)

          It's simple - the X-shaped one seemed to someone too difficult to operate, so they decided to develop a standard V-shaped one (the same seagull), which failed, apparently they spat on it and brought the X-shaped one to mind)))
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 3 August 2020 12: 19 New
            -5
            Damn ... The whole world is using the v-shaped engine, and here on you!
            1. Jurkovs
              Jurkovs 3 August 2020 12: 37 New
              0
              The whole world uses the boxer engine.
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 3 August 2020 12: 50 New
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                Oops cha! Well, let's count, who is opposite, who is v-shaped ...
                The oppositionists, in my memory:
                Ukraine,
                Pakistan,
                In some places England ...
                V-shaped:
                RUSSIA and all union states,
                Germany,
                China,
                In some places England ...

                So I don't even know what to write to you ...
                Can you delete your opus or is it too late?
        2. Orange
          Orange bigg 3 August 2020 11: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Bad_gr
          ..... If the development of a new X-shaped engine for the "Armata" was still stopped, what kind of engine is Manturov talking about? It is possible that a modification of the "forever alive" B2 will be installed on the tank, since there are no other options ....
          Don't confuse people. The X-shaped engine has long been developed and skated a bunch of hours on various armored vehicles (object 195, object 187, object 219RD, object 785). But instead of him, they suddenly decided to put some kind of "Seagull" on Armatu. Here with her, once again, it did not work out. And we returned to the engine that was originally intended for the Armata (X-shaped).


          Yes, maybe it's for the best.
          The promising Russian tank T-14 Armata has lost the possibility of installing a diesel engine on it, created as part of the research and development work (R&D) of Chaika, since the latter will be closed, Mil.Press Military reports.


          Mil.Press Military recalls that the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia placed a lot on “Development of basic models of a model range of high-speed V-shaped diesel engines for special purposes in the power range from 750 to 1500 kilowatts of promising models of automotive vehicles and medium and heavy tracked vehicles by weight, special wheeled machines and transport and technological means ”(code“ Seagull ”) in June 2014. The value of the contract was 467 rubles. The Chaika engine was called a candidate for the base engine of the unified platforms Armata and Kurganets-113.

          https://vpk.name/news/372425_armata_lishilas_tehnicheski_nedostizhimoi_chaiki.html
        3. Engineer
          Engineer 3 August 2020 20: 17 New
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          In the early 2000s, VK teachers (entirely graduates of armored academies) explained to us that not a single transmission holds an X-shaped engine
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 3 August 2020 14: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The problem with engines for the newest Russian T-14 Armata tank has been resolved. Due to its flaws and technically unattainable parameters, putting the developed engine into serial production is impractical.
      Dumas father or son?

      Not a son or a father, but simply not in the know.
      First, "the development of a new x-shaped engine is discontinued" due to the fact that it was developed a long time ago. And it passed successful tests, albeit in a 16-cylinder version back in the 80s.
      ChTZ's message refers to a completely different R&D project, the so-called Chaika project. Whether this "Seagull" was prepared for Armatu or not is unknown.
      And problems can always arise, for example, a violation of the manufacturing technology of which
      -not a node and here's a problem ... But it's all solvable.
      Only now it is not worth waiting for a massive rearmament for economic reasons, but a dozen other battalions should be created in the coming years. Otherwise, there will be no experience of application, no export.
  3. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 3 August 2020 09: 15 New
    -2
    It would be time to move from words to deeds, it is necessary to start production and supply tanks to the troops.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 3 August 2020 09: 18 New
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    These are the issues that the minister should cover ... nothing else to do?
    When the Urals were solving the problem of T90, the Indian contract ... that was a real BUSINESS, it was PROFESSIONALS who worked!
    but climbed out like after the rain, everywhere, managers, political scientists, economists and so on, there is nowhere to spit, and things are not well done, because this riffraff did not learn to work, that's for sure.
    1. Kart
      Kart 3 August 2020 09: 21 New
      0
      A completely new tank is of course not the case?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2020 11: 36 New
        +2
        The tank will be made and WITHOUT IT, they must do, at least, and give it to the troops!
        What is our minister? tank factory?
        So that matter is important, but should the minister do it and report it ???
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 August 2020 09: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      Answering the corresponding question from the journalist, Manturov said that today there are no problems with the engine and thermal imager for the T-14 "Armata" tank.

      He was asked a question, he answered.
      Strange people. Little information, for the same "Armata" is bad, it means that nothing is working, the project will sink into oblivion. From time to time they give out information - again it is bad, they say, it is necessary not to speak, but to do.
      Just like a capricious child from Yeralash. Nothing is right, nothing like it.
      1. Kapkan
        Kapkan 3 August 2020 10: 01 New
        +3
        Truly! Greetings from Chelyabinsk! )
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 3 August 2020 10: 03 New
          +4
          And all the best to you.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2020 11: 38 New
        +1
        Okay, that's understandable.
        The question has been asked, the minister is aware ... in this aspect, there are no complaints.
        My jamb did not figure it out.
        This is already a reflex, on all our guiding lines .... in principle, there is a reason, BUT, on specific issues it is necessary to sort it out more carefully.
    3. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 3 August 2020 11: 47 New
      +2
      That's right, less chatter, more action ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 August 2020 11: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexey-74
        That's right, less chatter, more action ...

        It's good when this rule is mandatory for everyone.
    4. 5-9
      5-9 3 August 2020 12: 22 New
      0
      In general, as the Ministry of Industry, he tells how things are going with the development of the production of components for a new tank ... What does the Urals have to do with it?
  5. Alsur
    Alsur 3 August 2020 09: 18 New
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    How I like it. If relatively speaking, the engine of the Mitsubishi company, then it embodied all the best developments over the past 40 years. If this is a Soviet-Russian engine, then this is an endless variation of the B-2, which was installed on the T-34. It wasn't even funny anymore.
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 3 August 2020 09: 54 New
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      In the article, delirium is written simply. The X-shaped piece is on the reinforcement. Seagull was a completely different topic. And here B-2 I did not understand at all
      1. Kart
        Kart 3 August 2020 10: 31 New
        +7
        This is from the "all gone" series. Chinese electronics, Soviet engine, "this power" is to blame.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 August 2020 11: 31 New
      -3
      Have you ever sat in a tank once? Let's go by engines ... Please name the differences between ... Well, first between B84 and B2 ...
  6. good
    good 3 August 2020 09: 22 New
    -6
    Hmm, again an article from scratch :)
    No real data.
    If only that thread to write.
    No information - be quiet already.
  7. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 3 August 2020 09: 24 New
    -21
    Bluff, there is nothing
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 3 August 2020 09: 53 New
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      here they are discussing the tank, not you
    2. ultra
      ultra 3 August 2020 10: 14 New
      +8
      Everything will be fine, as soon as you finish school, get a profession and start working.
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      Bluff, there is nothing

      wassat
  8. Marconi41
    Marconi41 3 August 2020 09: 29 New
    0
    The machine is equipped with a thermal imager from the Russian company "Shvabe"

    A purely Russian name for the times of Peter the Great!
    1. Yura
      Yura 3 August 2020 09: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Marconi41
      The machine is equipped with a thermal imager from the Russian company "Shvabe"

      A purely Russian name for the times of Peter the Great!

      Something like the nickname Marconi for Andrey, does this prevent you from being Russian?)))
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 3 August 2020 10: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Jura
        Something like the nickname Marconi for Andrey, does this prevent you from being Russian?)))

        Of course it doesn’t interfere, and I have no complaints about Shvab either.
        1. Yura
          Yura 3 August 2020 10: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Marconi41
          Quote: Jura
          Something like the nickname Marconi for Andrey, does this prevent you from being Russian?)))

          Of course it doesn’t interfere, and I have no complaints about Shvab either.
          Yes, I was just joking, I smiled with something, probably the same thing that 10 years ago I wondered about the same "why exactly Shvabe and what this means. hi
  9. Vita vko
    Vita vko 3 August 2020 09: 33 New
    +6
    after this announcement, even more questions arose for the developers of the tank.
    How else when a car is designed from scratch? New base, new weapons, new electronics - logically new problems. Only after 5 years of operation of the export modification in the conflict areas may the first modernization appear, then it will be possible to speak of normal reliability and combat effectiveness. In any case, conceptually, the T-14 is an optimal and promising option, the alternative to which will not be available for another 50 years. In the meantime, these are still prototypes on which new technologies are only being tested.
  10. Flamberg
    Flamberg 3 August 2020 09: 41 New
    0
    God bless her with fittings, the very fact of a new tank engine is good. As long as you can rape the engine from the T-72, it has already squeezed all the juices out of it. Well, your own teplak is also good.
  11. Artemiy_2
    Artemiy_2 3 August 2020 09: 52 New
    +6
    What a crazy article? Her student wrote? What nafig B-2? A seagull is not an X-shaped. Why are you hanging people on the ears here?
    1. Artemiy_2
      Artemiy_2 3 August 2020 09: 55 New
      +8
      Will topwar be the level of Zen chtol hacks soon?
      1. ultra
        ultra 3 August 2020 10: 15 New
        +9
        It has already become, the level of news notes has long been below the plinth. laughing
        Quote: Artemiy_2
        Will topwar be the level of Zen chtol hacks soon?
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 4 August 2020 00: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Artemiy_2
        Will topwar be the level of Zen chtol hacks soon?

        this is where the frequent quoting of NI gets you! bully
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 August 2020 10: 20 New
    +1
    If the difficulties with the diesel engine are solved, then we will see it not only on the tank ... but there were articles about the matrix that we have completely mastered in production. Not the most modern format, something like 580x625 .... and put it on the Mi28 too .... and the rocket was advertised with the IR seeker.
  13. Rostislav
    Rostislav 3 August 2020 11: 11 New
    0
    the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade spoke about "Armata"

    What kind of organization is this, "Ministry of Trade[i] [/ i] "?
  14. yfast
    yfast 3 August 2020 11: 15 New
    0
    What is the resolution of the thermal imager? Cooled? Overlaid on a regular image?
  15. Constanty
    Constanty 3 August 2020 11: 15 New
    +3
    The engine (or, more precisely, the entire R&D) "Seagull" this V-shaped [engine marked 12TV373CH was supposed to become a promising engine for the T-14 "Armata".



    Another engine from Chelyabinsk was mounted on existing prototypes - Х-образный 12Н360 (А-85-3А) 2В12-3, 12ЧН15/16


    This is a rather different engine than The Seagull, so the author's arguments for a return to W-2 are probably irrelevant.

    The question remains, why was the "Chaika" developed if there were already other engines with the required power ??
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 August 2020 11: 32 New
      -1
      Due to its layout, X diesel is probably inconvenient in other equipment .... V diesels, as it is more common in the world on heavy equipment.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 3 August 2020 15: 16 New
      0
      "Chaika" is high-speed, it has less volume, more power density.
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 3 August 2020 17: 26 New
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      Quote: Constanty
      the author's arguments for returning to W-2,

      You probably meant V-2.
      W-shaped. The cylinder block of the Volkswagen W12 looks like this
      We do not do it according to this scheme
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 3 August 2020 17: 34 New
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        It is possible that the tank will be equipped with a modification of the "forever alive" V2, since there are no other options, but what characteristics will it give out?



        B-2 (possibly in the B-92S2, B-99 variant?
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 3 August 2020 17: 43 New
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          I talked about the engine designations: V and W. These are different layouts.
          I don’t believe that B-2 can be put on the Armata.
  16. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 August 2020 12: 50 New
    +1
    The constructive scheme is not entirely clear. On V-engines, the twin cylinder runs through a trailed connecting rod to the main connecting rod, that is, to one crankshaft journal. It is simply not possible to attach more cylinders. What does X-shape mean? An increase in the number of crankshaft journals by half so that the lower pair of cylinders work on a closely located other journal? Or a radial arrangement, when each cylinder works on its own mini-shaft, which transmits rotation to the main shaft through a planetary gear? Maybe someone knows this question.
    1. Last centurion
      Last centurion 3 August 2020 13: 02 New
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      wikipedia knows for query "x-shaped engine". there with pictures :)
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 3 August 2020 16: 17 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      Or a radial arrangement, when each cylinder works on its own mini-shaft, which transmits rotation to the main shaft through a planetary gear?
      The circuit is star-shaped, but that's not how it works. One connecting rod is "main", works on an almost ordinary crankshaft, the rest of the connecting rods are engaged on the main one.
    3. Constanty
      Constanty 3 August 2020 16: 54 New
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      The 12N360 engine was created for the T-95 tank (object 195). In terms of design, it is much more classic than 6TD-f motors.in fact, these are two V6 turbodiesels, laid on their side, with a common crankshaft and an oil sump... The X-shaped scheme has a number of obvious advantages in the dynamic balancing of the engine and the layout in relation to the tank (convenient side exhaust outlet, central position of the crankshaft, etc.).

      http://gunm.ru/russkij-tankovyj-motor-12n360/
  17. mag nit
    mag nit 3 August 2020 15: 13 New
    -1
    Have you replaced the intercom?
  18. Simargl
    Simargl 3 August 2020 15: 14 New
    +1
    If the development of a new X-shaped engine for "Armata" was still stopped, what kind of engine is Manturov talking about?
    The author at least asked what a "Seagull" is and what an X-shaped engine is!
    I hint: "Chaika" is a promising development of a high-speed diesel engine. The X-type is traditional and it is already being installed on the T-14 and other equipment.
    1. Constanty
      Constanty 3 August 2020 15: 46 New
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      A new diesel engine for Russian tanks has been under development for over 20 years. X-shaped, it was already installed on the experimental tank "Object 187" model number 4 in the mid-80s. Then this was a 16-cylinder X-shaped engine (A-85-2) 2B-16.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 August 2020 09: 34 New
        +1
        And the roots of this X-diesel scheme go back to the Germans.
  19. race
    race 3 August 2020 21: 49 New
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    head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade

    What is this ministry? Ministry of Rum Trade?
    1. notingem
      notingem 3 August 2020 22: 29 New
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      No, not rum rather than the Motherland
  20. notingem
    notingem 3 August 2020 22: 25 New
    -1
    And what does the peddler Manturov have to do with the latest developments of the Ministry of Defense of Russia
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 August 2020 09: 34 New
      +1
      Apparently, the defense industry enterprises belong to the Ministry of Industry.