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Square sun of Leipzig and Nuremberg in Russia

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So, we can say that the show continues. And after Ivan Golunov and Ivan Safronov went Nikolai Platoshkin. On approximately the same conditions and with the same degree of adequacy.


We will talk a little later about the similarities and possible development of the Platoshkin case in comparison with the cases of Ivan Golunov and Ivan Safronov, but for now, let's think about and figure out what Platoshkin was arrested for.

So, the head of the Department of International Relations and Diplomacy of the Moscow University for the Humanities and the leader of the movement "For New Socialism" Nikolai Platoshkin was arrested on June 4 this year. The Investigative Committee opened a criminal case on charges of inciting riots (part 1.1 of article 212 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) and spreading fakes “about circumstances posing a threat to the life and safety of citizens” (207.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

As usual today, without any details.

And the complaints of the wife of Platoshkin that the employees who "worked" in the apartment, in addition to office equipment, "seized" all the cash they could find, are not at all surprising. Apparently, this is a bonus so modern.

And while the RF IC is conducting "investigative actions" aimed at establishing the circumstances of the crimes committed, we will look at what was canceled as a result of these actions.

And first of all, the planned protests on June 6 were disrupted. Single pickets and authorized protests were planned across the country. As Platoshkin's associates stated, absolutely all the shares were declared in accordance with the current legislation.

In general, to accuse a person like Platoshkin of inciting riots is, to put it mildly, ridiculous.

One can take whatever one likes to the ideas preached by the theorist Platoshkin, but is there anything in them that can be considered a threat to the country?

Sorry, but the main idea of ​​restoring the USSR on the basis of the referendum held 30 years ago is, of course, utopia. During these 30 years, we have all drifted so far that it is doubtful that it would be possible to bring everyone together. Is it really necessary?

Resource nationalization? Definitely yes. Resources should bring profit to all citizens of the country, and not to a bunch of oligarchs who have laid their hands on them.

Cancellation of the pension reform? Well, here, probably, if there are any disagreements with this, then only in the Kremlin, the state apparatus of the country and the Duma. The rest of the population is against.

Free higher education? Who, tell me, will be against the way it was during the Soviet era? Not pitiful handouts in the form of a certain number of budget-funded places in universities, but, on the contrary, paid education for the "especially gifted"?

To return "burnt out" bank deposits in the 90s? It is unlikely that any of the robbed in those days would be against.

So where is the threat to the country's security here? This is the threat to the security of the oligarchs and their servants. Especially those oligarchs that we do not have.

Platoshkin also has overkill. The accusation of criminal negligence on Putin and Mishustin is just one of such excesses. Yes, our all-Russian "fight" against the coronavirus, let's say, was somewhat chaotic, but most importantly, it was completely illogical in terms of the economy. And in some places it is even humiliating. But the main thing that was really worth blaming the Mishustin government for is the sheer ill-considered actions. Which have caused such damage to the economy that it will not soon be possible to assess correctly and clearly.

However, I return to what Platoshkin said. Where you can see fakes here is hard to say. And then, for fakes we are still fined, but not imprisoned. Except for fakes about the coronavirus, but here they don't even smell. Moreover, there is not even a fake or "knowingly false information" here, but his own opinion, which Platoshkin stated as he had the right to do so.


Imprisoning for the fact that Platoshkin demanded the resignation of Putin and Mishustin is the same overkill as charging him with calls for mass riots for the sake of the resignation of the aforementioned gentlemen. Exactly the same overkill as the demand for Putin's resignation due to his vague fight against the coronavirus. There are more serious complaints, to be honest.

Most likely, they decided to neutralize Platoshkin in this way, because he called for voting against the amendments to the Constitution. Together with his party "Alternative Russia" and the movement "For New Socialism".

That is, there is real political competition, which our current government ... does not really like.

That is why he is trying, on the one hand, to remove an objectionable politician from the political scene, and on the other, to do it more or less decently. In compliance with norms and protocols.

But the fact that Platoshkin is under house arrest, and not in a pre-trial detention center, just testifies to the fact that even the investigating authorities and the court are not very sure that it will be possible to prove the voiced composition of the "crime". Indeed, if desired, any court at any time would easily satisfy the motion to tighten the preventive measure.

And now is the time to remember two Ivanov, Golunov and Safronov. In the case of the first, the process is in full swing, and already confessions have poured into the light of day. Konovalov, a former employee of the drug control department of the Department of Internal Affairs of ZAO Moscow, admitted his guilt and turned in everyone else. A very logical act, taking into account the fact that among those who are with him on the case is the former boss of Konovalov, Lyakhovets, who gave the order to plant drugs on Golunov.

As a result, the rather obscene fabricated case fell apart. All that remains is the understanding that the true customers of the Golunov case remained in the shadows. And the employees of the drug control department, albeit up to their ears in the mud, are nothing more than pawns-executors.

There is reason to believe that approximately the same will happen with the Safronov case, who categorically refuses to admit the charges against him, calling them absurd. Time will tell, but most likely, the case will fall apart in about the same way as the Golunov case collapsed.

The whole problem of our bodies today is that there, in the bodies, there is a shortage of people capable of fabricating a more or less decent case. This is no secret at all, this is the reality of today. Alas. This is a problem that one cannot but rejoice in.

Hence, the attempt to put Platoshkin in prison also does not look serious. Against the background of the Far Eastern protests, against the background of a general attitude towards the very peculiar results of the vote on the vote of confidence in Putin, against the background of the arrests for violating the regime “do not understand what”, now the arrests of the participants of single pickets began.

The authorities simply do not understand how they should react to what is happening.

On the one hand, of course, I would like to see shouts of universal approval from all sides, on the other, what is being done for this?

In the case of Khabarovsk - the appointment, to put it mildly, not quite ready for this role, but seemingly loyal in all respects, Degtyarev, who first began to implement "plan number 1". That is, flooding the region with money.

Old and proven method in some regions.

But if it doesn't work ... Then “plan number 2” will be used, when all the dissatisfied will simply begin to be taken off the stage. Usually in handcuffs, since there would be a person, and an article or a package of drugs can always be picked up and planted.

And if the people begin to express their negative attitude, as in the Golunov case, then the people can be used with clubs. With ice water. They say it helps in terms of enlightenment and understanding that rallies are possible only when you need to express your "approval".

In general, the system is so-so. There are only two plans, and both do not evoke either respect or understanding of their effectiveness.

But back to Platoshkin. And now I strongly recommend listening to the phonogram (video filming in courts is now a rarity in our country, it’s impossible, all of a sudden too much will be on tape) of his speech in court. This is a very educational performance. The speech of a very intelligent person.



It's nice to listen to an intelligent person. And useful. Beautiful comparisons, beautiful turns.

“First of all, dear court, I would like to express my warm gratitude to the investigation, because I am accused only of arson, the use of explosives, deliberate damage to state property, with the use of toxic substances.

Thank you so much for not blaming me for using nuclear weapons, is that I did not make a neutron bomb in the garage with a rasp and a file. When the investigator Abdurakhmanov, present here, who confiscated from my wife, unlawfully, in her absence, the last savings, conducted a search in my apartment, he had yet another thought. He says: "You have a lot of books in German." Well, what, espionage in favor of Germany. I was in Germany. I know German. He worked great there for his country, defended our monuments there.

By the way, I honestly admit that there are also books in Spanish, in English, in Czech. Imagine how much more scope for the investigation opens. After all, such countries as Antigua and Barbuda, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada, Ghana speak English. Just imagine, I can work for all of them. Now, before your arrival, Abdurakhmanov threatened me that everyone who contacts me, in the presence of witnesses, will sit down for a long time. Is this an investigator? Further, I want, once again, to honestly admit, in addition to all this, that I tilted the Leaning Tower of Pisa. Just taking pictures, leaning, she bent over. But, as a mitigating circumstance, I would like to say that I tilted it towards the Russian Federation.

That is, the absurdity of these accusations that are being brought against me. Some kind of arson, what kind of weapon? He was looking for a weapon from me, in all seriousness. True, for some reason I did not find it. But you see, I am such a person, as if experienced, hid where I would not put it. So, Mr. Abdurakhmanov, about Germany ... Yes, back, my accusation reminds me, Leipzig is 33 years old, when the Nazis accused the Bulgarian communist Dimitrov of setting fire to the Reichstag. By the way, the case has not been investigated. And at the Reichstag, I have been repeatedly. I, I will tell you so, if this shameful, bestial, I stress once again, a far-fetched criminal case will not be immediately terminated, I will not be apologized, if it comes to court, you will end as well. I will blame you at the trial. For the fact that you are persecuting an absolutely innocent person who dared to say his point of view.

And more about Germany, since you are interested in it. Remember also the city of Nuremberg, just in case. Of course, when they sit in the dock under Article 299, and are responsible for initiating a case, on charges of an innocent person of committing a serious crime, he will say that his comrade colonel ordered him that he loves Nikolai Nikolaevich in general. And Comrade Colonel will claim that the General ordered him. Look at them, they are sure that you will not examine the evidence that this is all a formality, that he will sit, as he just told me, before your arrival, for a long time. I want everyone to hear and see this. This is the meaning of their consequence. Indeed, I was detained without a court order. Attention, the video they are sewing for me, April 15, my video, I shot it. I showed it during interrogation.

I am proud of every word that I said there. So, they studied it, allegedly for a month and a half, and then urgently, they decided to detain me on June 4, without a court order. What is the urgency? Did it make it, or what? Then why didn't they seize it, in fact? Well, since he is so all terrible, I do not know what is called there, although there are certainly no calls, a no brainer. When they arrested me, generally here on June 4, they also lied that they had the expertise of this video. As we understand, it is not there now. That is, I was detained on June 4 for a video for which there was not even an examination. It turns out that they can detain any person, in general, for any reason or what?

So, of course, they can do whatever they want now, unfortunately they are confident that you will make the decision they want. Here they will write that the sun is square. They are confident that the courts will confirm this. And this Platoshkin will sit. But it remains for you to mock innocent people not for years, not months, but weeks, and you will also be prosecuted for bringing an innocent person to commit what he did not do. And then, no matter what, it won't help you to avoid criminal liability.

And no matter how you judge me, the people will support and история will acquit me. I support the defense's motion to postpone the hearing, because they really got insolent to the point that the case materials refer to a document that is missing at all. By the way, I think that it is absent altogether, that is, not that they forgot to put it, well, that it does not exist at all. Well, what do you want if they now give us an examination order, do you know which one they presented to us? About Leningradsky Avenue instead of Leninsky. You can imagine what they are doing in general. It turns out that they intend to conduct a search on Leningradsky Prospect 93, which, probably, has something to do with me.

And what is only in Leningrad? By the way, it is also important that I support the petition and want to emphasize that I live on Moldagulova Street. Moldagulova was a sniper, which of course underlines my predisposition to violent actions. "

Yes, the accusations that Platoshkin addressed to the investigators are very, very serious. In principle, no one in Russia today will be surprised by the lawlessness that employees of various departments often demonstrate. This is, how to put it mildly, a symbol of the era.

If Putin himself admitted that sheer lawlessness was committed against Golunov, what to say ...

“As for the situation with Golunov, there is no injustice, there is arbitrariness. It's just arbitrary. "

(V. V. Putin.)

Arbitrariness is becoming completely commonplace. Lies of the investigation, falsification of facts, all other attributes of "work" ...

Exactly the same arbitrariness, obviously, is happening in relation to Safronov and Platoshkin. We just do not know how otherwise in the organs. How many cases we don't know about? Or do we find out only after people die?

No, it is not in vain that Platoshkin draws analogies with Leipzig and Nuremberg. Indeed, those who today fabricate cases and manipulate facts or even allow themselves outright lies, they will then whine and moan about the fact that "they were following orders."

Eichmann, let me remind you, also said so. And he wondered how it happened ...

But you want to live in the country. In proud and free Where there is not only the right to vote from time to time to ensure that the state rulers live better and better. And give them that opportunity. And to really live more beautiful every year.

But it doesn't work out for some reason.

But it turns out that we all, according to Nikolai Nikolaevich, really live under a square sun. Because they are trying to prove it to us. And to prove that the evil spies from Georgia, who so outraged the Khabarovsk residents, are to blame for the popular demonstrations in the Far East. But not outright arbitrariness in relation to Governor Furgal. Chosen by the people, who went to the protests after being sent from Moscow to replace ... Degtyarev.


And I would like to live in a beautiful and strong country. No evidence. Just live. Knowing that tomorrow there will be no threat in your life from an investigator who writes with errors, who will threaten that he will jail you and all your relatives and friends. And a Russian Guard, wringing his hands with impunity. And the same police officer. And the judge, who, without going into details, will wave the decision about which he will be told.

But the latest practice suggests otherwise. Too many (and we do not know about all, do you agree?), Something has recently become such clearly strange things. Against those who disagree and who want to prove their disagreement.

Perhaps someone will say that everything written is also overkill. I agree, anything is possible. But it has been historically proven that Berlin and Nuremberg will definitely be behind Leipzig and Munich. Each in its own time, but must be.

And living under a square sun is not something that is inconvenient for the psyche, it is simply unrealistic. Although we are constantly trying to prove the opposite.
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  2. Far B
    Far B 3 August 2020 05: 18 New
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    Arbitrariness becomes completely commonplace
    So it is ... that ... it is necessary to maintain the semblance of national love for the sun. And then something in recent years, especially after the retirement underreform, love somehow rapidly fades. Right before our eyes, at half past five falls. And then there are all sorts of Platoshkins pumping.
    But it remains for you to mock innocent people not for years, not months, but weeks, and you will also be prosecuted
    But these words of Platoshkin - yes to God in the ears. Only, I'm afraid, if this happens, it will not be in this life.
    But the main thing that was really worth blaming the Mishustin government for is the sheer ill-considered actions. Which have caused such damage to the economy that it will not soon be possible to assess correctly and clearly.
    But here I disagree. What does the Mishustin government have to do with it? The coronavirus holidays were announced personally by zero. So the demand is, first of all, from him.
    In general, the situation with Platoshkin is another ridiculous blunder of the system and personally radiant. Which this year has already exceeded all the standards for blunders. Insanity crept up unnoticed? I vaguely suspect so.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 3 August 2020 07: 04 New
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      Arbitrariness is becoming completely commonplace. Lies of the investigation, falsification of facts, all other attributes of "work" ...

      Is it getting? Not! Arbitrariness has long become the norm!
      1. depressant
        depressant 3 August 2020 08: 45 New
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        Yes, you cannot rock the boat. Especially in the current foreign policy situation. But it is not we who are present here who rock it, not Platoshkin, not the inhabitants of the Far East. It is being shaken by the mediocre actions of the country's leadership - a leadership that is miserably confused, changing the economic and social course right on the go in one direction or the other, all the more tightening the economic stranglehold around our necks - a leadership that does not have any intelligible plan of action, except for beating all the disaffected with police and investigative oars on the heads. And the only thing that is produced by such actions is the horror of every citizen for his own tomorrow. Someone is depressed, someone is clearly visible. And now a vicious feedback is being formed, increasing the degree of mutual mistrust between the people and the authorities, mutual hatred, which can lead to a catastrophic explosion.
        Mr. President! We should slow down. You can't rock the boat any further! You start to stop, and we'll see.
        1. Consul
          Consul 3 August 2020 11: 50 New
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          They (the authorities) are currently acting on the principle: "If you do not love us, we will make you love and respect you."
          1. mdsr
            mdsr 3 August 2020 15: 09 New
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            Quote: Consul
            They (the authorities) are currently acting on the principle:

            You reminded me of an excerpt from the classics of Russian literature: “In general, they have been terribly piggy lately. They get drunk, get in touch with women, using their position, they don’t do a damn thing, and they can’t do anything, because they don’t know anything about what is entrusted to them. They rub their glasses on to the bosses!” The car in vain drives the official! " (M. Bulgakov)
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 3 August 2020 15: 48 New
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            we will make you love and respect you ".


      2. Aag
        Aag 3 August 2020 18: 34 New
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        You are somehow very inconsistent in your judgments ... At least, judging by the comments ...
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 3 August 2020 07: 44 New
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      Quote: Far In
      But it remains for you to mock innocent people not for years, not months, but weeks, and you will also be prosecuted
      But these words of Platoshkin - yes to God in the ears. Only, I'm afraid, if this happens, it will not be in this life.

      Platoshkin needs to be supported, just as Furgal is supported by Khabarovsk residents. It's time to stop the arbitrariness, but those responsible for what is happening need to be judged and it is interesting to find out who exactly gives the order to arrest? And if it is zeroed, then there is no longer arbitrariness, but a crime.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 19 New
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        Russian journalist Andrei Karaulov decided to conduct a public opinion poll on his YouTube channel about trust in the authorities. The vote counter was launched on the night from Friday 31.07 to Saturday 01.08 at 00.00. and stopped on 02.08 at 21.00. At the time the poll was stopped, according to the data voiced by Karaulov on his channel, 2 people took part in it. Of these, 244% of respondents expressed their lack of confidence in the authorities.
        Here are the ones! Only 2% trust the authorities, not 77% or 146%!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 August 2020 10: 24 New
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Russian journalist Andrei Karaulov decided to conduct a public opinion poll on his YouTube channel about trust in the authorities. The vote counter was launched on the night from Friday 31.07 to Saturday 01.08 at 00.00. and stopped on 02.08 at 21.00. At the time the poll was stopped, according to the data voiced by Karaulov on his channel, 2 people took part in it. Of these, 244% of respondents expressed their lack of confidence in the authorities.
          Here are the ones! Only 2% trust the authorities, not 77% or 146%!

          Naturally, all these tricks with elections and trust are complete crap .. It is enough to interview your environment and those of your friends and colleagues to understand this. Take with the presidential elections, out of more than 100 people I interviewed (colleagues at work, friends, relatives), only a few people voted for Putin and a few for Zhirinovsky, the overwhelming majority voted for Grudinin. The result is known, now the collective farm is being wrested from him. The same situation with voting on the Constitution .. well, more precisely, a little different, in my environment no one voted for it at all ..
          Around a lie.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 3 August 2020 21: 16 New
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            Naturally, all these tricks with elections and trust are complete crap .. It is enough to interview your environment and those of your friends and colleagues to understand this. Take with the presidential elections, out of more than 100 people I interviewed (colleagues at work, friends, relatives), only a few people voted for Putin and a few for Zhirinovsky, the overwhelming majority voted for Grudinin. The result is known, now the collective farm is being wrested from him. The same situation with voting on the Constitution .. well, more precisely, a little different, in my environment no one voted for it at all ..
            Around a lie.
            I've just arrived from the Crimea, talked with people, listened, accidentally overheard other people's conversations, and myself got involved in other people's disputes. And a lot of interesting things came to light on voting in Crimea in 14 year ........
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 32 New
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              And a lot of interesting things came to light on voting in Crimea in 14 year ........

              voted against under machine guns? laughing burn
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 4 August 2020 19: 58 New
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                voted against under machine guns? laughing burn
                No, they just simply voted for many (just like we vote for the permanent). And your mockery doesn't touch me much, I wrote only what the people in Crimea say. Like me, go to Crimea, talk to people, and then we will discuss with you. And by the way, I am for the return of Crimea, and I hope that the rest of the temporarily lost territories will return to the new great Russia.
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 4 August 2020 20: 26 New
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                  Every year they probably don't keep secrets with me there ☝️
            2. Size
              Size 8 August 2020 15: 35 New
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              listened, accidentally overheard (? :))) other people's conversations,


              For what purpose? Saboteur? To the wall! sad
              Everything was fair in Crimea. My closest relatives worked at 2 polling stations and their results coincide with the picture of Crimea as a whole.
              And when the polling stations closed and the workers went to the bedridden patients who called, the grandmothers cried, said that they would at least die in Russia and kissed the ballot box.
              So you (at best), listened to the conversations of Ukrainian provocateurs who stopped by, and at worst you yourself.
              1. 72jora72
                72jora72 8 August 2020 16: 26 New
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                So you (at best), listened to the conversations of Ukrainian provocateurs who stopped by, and at worst you yourself
                No, I talked with ordinary people who live in Crimea. At the expense of the provocateurs, unlike you, who are "fighting" on the Internet, I was in Transnistria and in the Donbass.
                1. Size
                  Size 8 August 2020 18: 20 New
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                  В Donbass, you say was? ))) Which side? Maybe in a dream or when traveling in early childhood?
                  The locals say on Donbass https://novorosinform.org/824219 and even write in official documents, if I was there, I would know.
                  This is not to mention the fact that a normal man does not brag about his first time in hot spots and does not spread rumors like "one woman in the bazaar said".

                  So you are an ordinary couch talker-liar and the price of your statements about Crimea is zero.
          2. Vdi73
            Vdi73 4 August 2020 07: 03 New
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            Yes, Karaulov somehow trust ... he is for the whites, then for the red, then for the green, muddy comrade.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 26 New
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              And I would like to live in a beautiful and strong country. No evidence. Just live. Knowing that tomorrow there will be no threat in your life from an investigator who writes with errors, who will threaten that he will put you and all your relatives and friends in jail. And a Russian Guard, wringing his hands with impunity. And the same police officer. And the judge, who, without going into details, will wave the decision about which he will be told.


              listen, the article is garnished. Skomorokhov burns. How I came to Medusa
              Donates then at least for the vacillation of power gets?
              The text is very straight forward. Breaks into tears

              I WANT TO LIVE NOT ON LIES! 111



              the same sad shaker. owners
        2. Vladimir Zagorodni
          Vladimir Zagorodni 3 August 2020 15: 10 New
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          And what people can trust the occupation power?
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 40 New
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            And what people can trust the occupation power?


            the people cannot tolerate the occupation of their land. only patients can tolerate this wassat
            he did not tolerate the Russian people. Give him only a reason to become partisans.
            opposition means not the Russian people what

            Or are you going to tell me in all seriousness now that you endure the occupation?
            Those. Are you a man (who writes on the siloviki forum) and do you tolerate the occupation of your homeland?

            And how do you endure? Or do you not trust and type you mean you could not stand it? laughing

            Pathetic attempts
        3. Siberian54
          Siberian54 3 August 2020 20: 16 New
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          From how many countries of our planet have there been so many likes?
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 43 New
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            From how many countries of our planet have there been so many likes?


            there is a platoon of ukrovs (at least 30 people from the ruins of the stoned ones-who are independent svidomye) who consider the Ukrainian Crimea. these are the pluses of our sad opposition. Cheer them up.

            Here you don't even need to ask - just look who are brothers in opposition.
            All Medusa, Novoye Vremya and other BBS branches.

        4. Size
          Size 8 August 2020 15: 39 New
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          Does the specificity of the sample bother you? There is nowhere to put brands on Karaulov, a decent person with this corrupt creature will not sit under one bush, all the more will not go to vote on his channel.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 12: 58 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Platoshkin needs to be supported

        Do not.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 3 August 2020 14: 25 New
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          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Quote: Svarog
          Platoshkin needs to be supported

          Do not.

          Why?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 4 August 2020 09: 20 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Why?

            Because he is a yap and filthy demagogue.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 30 New
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              Because he is a yap and filthy demagogue.

              laughing there are common thoughts on VO. But svarog will not understand.
              1. Aag
                Aag 5 August 2020 21: 45 New
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                Quote: c-Petrov
                Because he is a yap and filthy demagogue.

                laughing there are common thoughts on VO. But svarog will not understand.

                Judging by the (+) (-), many people here do not understand you anymore. Maybe it's time to mimic, or are you really an ideological adept of the current situation?
                1. Size
                  Size 8 August 2020 18: 27 New
                  -1
                  Judging by the (+) (-), here many do not understand you anymore. Not alarming?

                  The dominance of hohlotroli? Like, you are rich at once, you are not covered! - And our army! laughing
      3. Igoresha
        Igoresha 3 August 2020 14: 42 New
        +2
        of course zeroed, but there is no one else, the whole world heard him ask for a "two-piece" for the singer
      4. Doliva63
        Doliva63 3 August 2020 17: 05 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Far In
        But it remains for you to mock innocent people not for years, not months, but weeks, and you will also be prosecuted
        But these words of Platoshkin - yes to God in the ears. Only, I'm afraid, if this happens, it will not be in this life.

        Platoshkin needs to be supported, just as Furgal is supported by Khabarovsk residents. It's time to stop the arbitrariness, but those responsible for what is happening need to be judged and it is interesting to find out who exactly gives the order to arrest? And if it is zeroed, then there is no longer arbitrariness, but a crime.

        Curious, what kind of backing devices are they? laughing
      5. St Petrov
        St Petrov 4 August 2020 18: 58 New
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        Platoshkin needs to be supported, as well as Furgal


        AHAHAHA !! 111 what I read lol How many of you are here on the forum together with ukrami? thirty? Platoon? Bigger?



        And after Ivan Golunov and Ivan Safronov went Nikolai Platoshkin.

        There was also Pavlensky oppositionist comrade Platohi! 1 !! 11 Forgot about comrade! 1



        Sweep Pavlensky, sweep Platoshkin - DOCOLE?!?! So the opposition will be left without prominent representatives

        Nulls, what are you doing? wassat Was Grudinin not enough to break through the bottom?

        Curious, what kind of backing devices are they?


        tell me about the wet bubble of you and plateoshkin with the system. Are the Nulls ready to go into battle ?:
      6. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 6 August 2020 00: 53 New
        +2
        Well, with Furgal everything is clear. It’s not a problem at all. As they say, Our people do not become shareholders. The fact that investigators write with errors is also understandable. Now many 12-year-olds read syllables with great difficulty. But to torture harmless Platoshkin ......? Or maybe, on the contrary, they are preparing the right presidents ?????
    3. demo
      demo 3 August 2020 09: 35 New
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      It seems to me that Putin does not make any decisions, neither on Platoshkin, nor on other resonant incidents.
      He just frowns and says - How long! Understand!
      But how and who will figure it out is not his concern.

      I remembered one story.
      There is such a city of Anapa in the Krasnodar Territory.
      Some time ago, the mayor was a woman - Tatyana Ivanovna Evsikova.
      A lot of things this young lady has done.
      And all her tricks got away with it.
      But then she wanted fame.
      No sooner said than done.
      In the press, on a whole newspaper page, an article appears - The best measure of Russia (something like that).
      An article came out in the morning.
      And in the morning of the next day, a charter plane arrived at Vityazevo (Anapa airport).
      70 employees of the General Prosecutor's Office, and the same number of the FSB.
      It was Sunday.
      And even in the summer.
      So.
      By the end of the day, ALL deputies were rounded up (some drunk, some naked - a joke).
      Voted on the resignation of the mayor.
      Voted for the new mayor.

      On Sunday summer in Anapa - this cannot be!
      But they could.
      Yevsikova on the same evening flew to Austria for treatment.
      The woman got sick.

      Sometimes Putin does what he has to do.
      But the question is different.
      Why does this happen under Putin !?
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        1. demo
          demo 3 August 2020 11: 12 New
          +2
          But the question is different.
          Why does this happen under Putin !?

          Have you read this?
      2. Consul
        Consul 3 August 2020 11: 52 New
        25
        Quote: demo
        Why does this happen under Putin !?

        Because the system he built works like that.
      3. Alf
        Alf 3 August 2020 19: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: demo
        But the question is different.
        Why does this happen under Putin !?

        He just doesn't know ... But how does he know ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 17 New
          -5
          He just doesn't know ... But how does he know ..


          laughing Is Platoshkin your candidate?
    4. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 10 New
      21
      Insanity crept up? Not! It's different! There was no opposition before Platoshkin? And Ksenia Sobchak? And Zhirinovsky? And Latynina or Venediktov? Opposition media is it opposition or position? Why didn't they close Echo of Moscow or Dozhd? Why wasn't Serdyukov in prison? We are trying a lot here about the fifth column that wants to overwhelm Russia and the authorities are fighting against. Or maybe everything is completely different? Is this the fifth column in power pretending to be fighting against the enemies of Russia? Who, according to the authorities, is the enemy of Russia? Of course, Navalny! And what is his fault? And he was a bastard talking about the income of officials! And in Russia it is customary to hide your income !? Our oligarchs drive Zaporozhets and Okushki with accounts like a phone number ?! Or have mansions pretending to be homeless? What is Navalny's crime? That he did the work of the investigating authorities? Why did the investigating authorities not do this? There was no team? Why? Now Putin's nephew will fight corruption - what will happen now? And there will be an honest Petersburg group and corrupt officials from regional organized crime groups! And this is not insanity! This is the instinct for self-preservation! People’s leaders must not be allowed to power! According to the authorities, a leader can only be his own! Therefore, in peacetime, leaders will be destroyed through the judicial system. In wartime, all leaders will be destroyed by foreign (foreign?) DRGs!
      1. demo
        demo 3 August 2020 11: 30 New
        16
        Opposition media is it opposition or position? Why didn't they close Echo of Moscow or Dozhd?

        66,6% of Echo Moskvy's shares are owned by Gazprom-Media.
        Gazprom-Media is 100% owned by Gazprom Bank.
        Gazprom Bank under various sauces is owned or controlled by Gazprom.
        Who owns Gazprom?
        I think the question of the opposition in Russia is not a topical issue.
        If earlier it was said that all smuggling is made in Odessa on Malaya Arnautskaya, then today we can safely say that all the opposition is sitting in the Kremlin.
        1. Vladimir Zagorodni
          Vladimir Zagorodni 3 August 2020 15: 23 New
          +5
          What kind of opposition is this? These are pure ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE, subject to destruction.
      2. Consul
        Consul 3 August 2020 11: 53 New
        25
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        There was no opposition before Platoshkin? And Ksenia Sobchak? And Zhirinovsky? And Latynina or Venediktov?

        Of these, the opposition is like my cat, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 3 August 2020 10: 39 New
      -18
      Yes Yes. Not so long ago, at the voting on amendments, we saw how he faded and how local fighters fought everyone, and so on. Wrapped around, changed diapers and threaten with a fist again? Come on, entertain the people with a new show. good
      Well, is Platoshkin aiming for new Lenins? Well, then I must follow in Lenin's footsteps. To begin with, sit, then write books to Switzerland. To be honest, our left-wing fighters already cause nothing but contempt. They are so pitiful and mediocre. Loyal heirs of those who rocked a great country. You also need Gorbachev as a leader - he will suit you. All the same, the President of the USSR is still alive. good
      Well, okay, I will not interfere with preparing a world revolution. And then you will also say that because of me you are failing. wink hi
      1. Aag
        Aag 5 August 2020 21: 58 New
        +1
        Are you happy with everything, well, at least basically?
        That doesn't suit you, but you can put up with it ...
        You are not satisfied, but let others butt ...
        No matter what happens ...
        Don't you think it's time to decide?
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 6 August 2020 13: 37 New
          +1
          I decided long ago. By definition, he cannot suit everything. Even if I suddenly became the head of state, then I would hardly have been given a magic wand, which means that the carriage and the small cart would not suit me. But I like the direction of movement of the state. I remember the 80s, I remember the 90s, I remember the 10s and I see for sure that our people have never lived better than in the XNUMXs. And most importantly, I see how everything is changing. Gradually, imperceptibly for the layman, but changing for the better. Step by step. The recently adopted amendments are another such step. The trend suits me. hi
          What is definitely not satisfied with it is the extreme softness towards anti-state elements, especially those supported from abroad. This did not lead to anything good, as history shows. The same Stalin in the Second World War acted in relation to the subversive elements the way the tsarist power should have acted in WWII WITH AGITATORS AND OTHER ANTI-STATE ELEMENTS. Since Joseph Vissarionovich himself was such an element then, he correctly understood how to act against them. It was the same in the 90s. Yeltsin at 93 acted as Soviet law enforcement agencies should have acted against him a few years earlier. The knight washed those who stormed Ostankino with blood and scattered them along the gateways. Hence the different endings of the stories - the death of the USSR in 91-92 due to the weakness of the government and the victory of Yeltsin in 93 over parliament. So I do not like the fact that the modern authorities are again demonstrating completely harmful liberalism. I hope I have clarified my position. hi
          1. Aag
            Aag 6 August 2020 15: 33 New
            0
            "I decided for a long time. He cannot arrange everything by definition. Even if I suddenly became the head of state, then I would hardly be given a magic wand, which means that the carriage and the small cart would not suit me. But the direction of the state's movement I like it. I remember the 80s, I remember the 90s, I remember the noughties and I see for sure that our people have never lived better than in 10s in the bulk. And most importantly, I see how everything is changing. Gradually, imperceptibly for layman, but changing ... "
            Thank you for your reply. If you add the "not" particle in the sentence about the direction of the state movement to the quoted part of your post, then I agree with you.
            Further in the text, the assessment of cause-and-effect relationships is often different.
            And most importantly, do you have an understanding of where, to what, the country led by the current leader is heading? For the last four years, I am very unsure of where I and the overwhelming majority of my acquaintances would like it. hi
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 6 August 2020 18: 40 New
              -1
              Well, what I see is that the economic direction is state capitalism. With the main part of a serious industry and industrial complex, concentrated in state corporations and at the same time with a serious private sector.
              In the direction of development, I hope for a greater bias towards imperialism. At least the fact that we are again dealing with Africa and BW gives hope for that. For the development of a serious capital economy, markets and sources of raw materials are needed. We donated them in due time, giving Eastern Europe to Germany, and the countries of Africa and other third world countries to China. They have done great in these markets. Now we will have to fight again for a place under the Sun, and maybe fight. Obviously, no one will give us any gifts. Capitalism is competition. Everything else is words. What I see is that we have gained strength to start recapturing our piece. How successful it will be - we'll see. Everyone wants to win, and our competitors too.
    6. Consul
      Consul 3 August 2020 11: 48 New
      24
      Quote: Far In
      the situation with Platoshkin is another ridiculous blunder of the system

      This is not a blooper. This has already become the norm for the current government.
    7. zenion
      zenion 3 August 2020 18: 01 New
      +4
      Somehow the Russians did not understand that the government revived the tsarist gendarmerie, but for some reason they called it the Rosguard. In general, everything is rolling as Hitler planned.
      1. Revival
        Revival 3 August 2020 20: 14 New
        +3
        National Guard by law.
        Rosguard is an unnatural abbreviation of the full name, although it is clear why
    8. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 August 2020 15: 42 New
      -4
      Platoshkin himself is a blooper - a populist and balabol about everything and nothing, just one flesh and blood of the current officials, one beautiful speech in fact, efficiency = 0.
    9. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 4 August 2020 18: 56 New
      -1
      “God forbid to see a Russian revolt - senseless and merciless. Those who are planning all kinds of coups in our country are either young and do not know our people, or they are hard-hearted people, who have a stranger's little head, and their own neck a penny. " S. Pushkin
    10. NordUral
      NordUral 6 August 2020 11: 05 New
      0
      Imperceptible to those who do not want to see anything.
    11. Size
      Size 8 August 2020 16: 09 New
      -1
      "But it remains for you to mock innocent people not for years, not months, but weeks, and you will also be prosecuted."
      But these words of Platoshkin - yes to God in the ears. Only, I'm afraid, if this happens, it will not be in this life.


      Judging by how Kerchichki is drowning for cooperation with the United States against China, he was still verbanuli in the states (he worked in the United States for a long time). The Americans are practical and unprincipled guys, they don't care which side of the power in Russia to sway. Venediktovs on the right; the plateau-sternum on the left - parsley on the fingers of one hand.
      And judging by the comments, Platoshkin's cheap populism still finds its unassuming recipients.
      Vaughn and the author glorified Platoshkin's clearly rehearsed mockery in court, this poz compared himself with Dimitrov, but what was it not with Giordano Bruno or Prometheus right away?
      Only the most naive and simple-minded people can fail to notice the stigma on the forehead of this Judas - Pop Gapon.
  3. Zorro21
    Zorro21 3 August 2020 05: 18 New
    35
    30 years is not such a long period that people would forget what social justice is. The authorities and the oligarchs behind it understand this and are afraid, they have something to lose. From here "far-fetched" accusations to those who can compete with them. The campaign of slander in the media against the Communist Party presidential candidate Grudina alone proves the hypocrisy of modern democracy.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 3 August 2020 07: 30 New
      18
      Quote: Zorro21
      30 years is not such a long period that people would forget what social justice is.

      Not that they have forgotten, every year social justice will be remembered and remembered more and more. During these 30 years it became clear to everyone, hu is hu .. and the gang entrenched in the Kremlin only loses its girdle more and more and ignores all laws and rules, with the last bit of strength they cling to power, while creating complete lawlessness.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 30 New
        25
        Unfortunately, each class understands the concept of social justice in its own way. According to Gref, social justice in a caste society. Chubais also said that it is fair to have only three classes of free education. Sechin considers it fair to have a lemon a day. Therefore, speaking about social justice, it is necessary to clarify what is meant. Many churches are being built today. There are already more of them than universities in Russia. In the internet there is a map where churches and universities are indicated. This is true? How does Orthodoxy get along with capitalism? After all, Christ seemed to preach the values ​​of socialism, not capitalism? Or was he preaching the exploitation of man by man? Preached profit and interest? Did he call to worship money? What capitalist values ​​did Christ preach? We are told that it is fair to heal and teach those who have money! Is this justice?
        1. Aag
          Aag 5 August 2020 22: 03 New
          +1
          Everything will work out for them, everything, almost according to plan. Those who remember the Union are a little hindering ...
      2. ver_
        ver_ 4 August 2020 14: 02 New
        +2
        ... you might think that the laws are written for them ..
      3. St Petrov
        St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 13 New
        -6
        and these 30 years, it became clear to everyone, hu there is hu .. and the gang entrenched in the Kremlin only loses its girdle more and more and ignores all laws and rules at all


        wassat read the PM
        I gave an analysis there and predicted your patience

        PS When you write this, do you cry? Or are you filled with righteous anger?
        PPS When election day comes - is your maneuver filled with misunderstanding? laughing

        How, in reality, after the topvar (the site where the alternative president of Russia, Grudinin and Prime Minister Platoshkin, was elected), does it not press?

        Minus the sad opposition, mixed with offended Ukrainians and Balts. Broadcast your infirmity to the masses
        1. Aag
          Aag 5 August 2020 22: 05 New
          0
          Are there masses?
          Quote: c-Petrov
          and these 30 years, it became clear to everyone, hu there is hu .. and the gang entrenched in the Kremlin only loses its girdle more and more and ignores all laws and rules at all


          wassat read the PM
          I gave an analysis there and predicted your patience

          PS When you write this, do you cry? Or are you filled with righteous anger?
          PPS When election day comes - is your maneuver filled with misunderstanding? laughing

          How, in reality, after the topvar (the site where the alternative president of Russia, Grudinin and Prime Minister Platoshkin, was elected), does it not press?

          Minus the sad opposition, mixed with offended Ukrainians and Balts. Broadcast your infirmity to the masses
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 6 August 2020 11: 08 New
          +1
          Weakness is a thieves' and stupid power, St. Petrov.
    2. Van 16
      Van 16 3 August 2020 09: 35 New
      14
      The very words "social justice", "socialism" seem to be unacceptable for Putin. And if someone else criticizes His Majesty ..
      1. depressant
        depressant 3 August 2020 10: 37 New
        12
        Colleague Van 16, it seems to me, is different here.
        From the very moment when Putin was reset, and at the same time it turned out that the people were not at all so unanimous in their positive assessment of the president's image, which is extremely offensive for the latter, Putin has thrown off the mask of an impartial and sometimes kind referee standing over everyone. Now, it seems, he will take revenge on everyone who is dissatisfied with his domestic policy, using the instrument of force pressure, rigging and deception. At least it looks like he no longer needs popularity and has begun to show his true self. And it is even more accurate to assume that those who put him on the board no longer need his popularity. After all, Putin cannot but understand that the rough pressure on Platoshkin will outrage even those who are not fans of this public leader. For example, me. Nevertheless, he makes such a rash step.
        1. Van 16
          Van 16 3 August 2020 12: 19 New
          +8
          This is yes. Only the mask, it seems to me, was dropped a little earlier, along with "please treat with understanding." Well, then off we go.
        2. Hermit
          Hermit 3 August 2020 12: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: depressant
          rough pressure on Platoshkin will outrage even those who are not fans of this public leader

          Udaltsov was recently arrested for 10 days and for some reason did not upset anyone. And Udaltsov will be a politician more seriously than Platoshkin ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 3 August 2020 15: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: Hermit
            Quote: depressant
            rough pressure on Platoshkin will outrage even those who are not fans of this public leader

            Udaltsov was recently arrested for 10 days and for some reason did not upset anyone. And Udaltsov will be a politician more seriously than Platoshkin ...

            That's right, it didn’t upset .. No need to share, Platoshkin Udaltsova, anyone who promotes leftist ideas is worthy of support. Otherwise, moneybags will always rule us.
        3. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 13: 07 New
          0
          Quote: depressant
          After all, Putin cannot but understand that the rough pressure on Platoshkin will outrage even those who are not fans of this public leader.

          For example, I was not outraged by the word - at all. I don't give a damn about this demagogue. All his socialism is yet another attempt to cheat gullible people and distract them from the real struggle with capital. As before the Communist Party with Zyuganov and other mystical Kurginians.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 3 August 2020 17: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Quote: depressant
            After all, Putin cannot but understand that the rough pressure on Platoshkin will outrage even those who are not fans of this public leader.

            For example, I was not outraged by the word - at all. I don't give a damn about this demagogue. All his socialism is yet another attempt to cheat gullible people and distract them from the real struggle with capital. As before the Communist Party with Zyuganov and other mystical Kurginians.

            Can you substantiate about "cheating"?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 4 August 2020 09: 24 New
              -5
              Quote: Doliva63
              Can you substantiate about "cheating"?

              I will not justify anything to you. You have already bored me all the naive, stupid and trusting people. Take a smart book and read. If you are not completely stupid you will understand. And you will not understand well, to hell with you. Your problems.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 4 August 2020 13: 39 New
                0
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                I'm already tired of you all naive, stupid and gullible

                Makar, I see you are the only one among the local PITS Platoshkin PITS Grudinin PITS Furgal PIT Khodorkovsky, an ideological fighter for justice! Although I do not agree with your outlook on life, I respect your ideology. good
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 4 August 2020 19: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

            For example, I was not outraged by the word - at all. I don't give a damn about this demagogue. All his socialism is yet another attempt to cheat gullible people and distract them from the real struggle with capital.

            I like Platoshkin. This is not about him ... I’m watching people who are now entering the Communist Party ... they are climbing into deputies, climbing to the money ... In the dashing nineties they were members of companies, dashing companies like MMM and Co. .. And then suddenly, unexpectedly a person robbing ordinary people in the nineties, she got into the Communist Party ... I can't put this person next to my father, the Communist. And here they will teach me life? Summoned to the "society of social justice"? There is no respect and cannot be.
        4. St Petrov
          St Petrov 4 August 2020 19: 34 New
          -5
          How did Putin reset to zero?

          here you really have your own maneuver. nullified the sad opposition tribe.
          you are still whining in sadness - what is not the post of a miracle oppositionist is patience and tears.

          and Putin has been at the helm for 20 years conditional and the amended constitution is at his fingertips.

          Well, turn on your head already. Who is zeroed out? Are you with your moans or Putin?
          Something is happening with logic among our oppositionists.

          PS here minus, do not minus - and then you will endure, as before 7300 days or so. You can't even count exactly how many days you endure - it's very creepy to even look at you from the outside - I don't understand how you can walk and nod next to you

          1. depressant
            depressant 5 August 2020 00: 03 New
            +2
            sir Petrov ...
            I will explain once, so as not to touch on the issue further. The terms "zeroing" and "zeroing", introduced by someone out of great indignation, quickly lost their negative meaning and emotional connotation, have become easy to use, because they have contained many concepts and meanings. In particular, they became a replacement for the archaic "king" and "coronation". You are not offended when Putin is still occasionally called tsar? In the coming era of universal digitalization, when soon our whole life will be filled with a program code as a way of organizing zeros and ones, such an assessment of a person in this system of concepts will undoubtedly be in demand. You are either zero or a proud one. Putin will only have to transform himself into the latter. So that they say "the true pillar of the state." Well, or something like that. And, as they say, a flag in his hands, a drum around his neck, a pioneer bugle behind his back ...

            But who told you that I would prevent him from doing this? Yes, I have been here, at VO for more than a year and a half, trying to figure out how to help him with this! I have never said "Putin, go away!" - rummage through the forums. On the contrary! I always said, "Mr. President, I voted for you, so work the way I need it, and not the way you feel comfortable." And she gave a lot of useful advice, pointed out mistakes. In parentheses, I note that I do not see something of this kind from you. Well, sometimes I did it, of course, not without a break with emotions and not without angry criticism towards the product of his activity - our state vertical. Note, I am not saying countries. But I am a living person ...

            And here we touch upon the main thing, something that you do not understand, Petrov. Namely: my advantage over Putin. It consists in the fact that it was not he who voted for me, choosing his people, but I voted for Putin, choosing my president. I am a given, I am a reality, from which he cannot get rid of, somehow get rid of me, although in an obvious way he is trying to do it. For having physically destroyed only me, he will not be able to destroy all 147 million inhabitants of Russia. Hence it follows that he, chosen by me, is obliged to negotiate with me. Not with Trump, not with Merkel and others, not with the IMF through Siluanov, not with Comrade Xi, and even less with Usmanov, Deripaska and others like that, but with me. I am Putin's ally, not them, but this will never reach him. And I didn't put up with him - how much did you say? 7300 days? - it was he, Putin, who put up with me. And doomed to endure further. And it would be time for him to rise up from dreary patience and, having looked with interest at his people, remember at last for what purpose he was chosen by that people.
            Now hack to yourself all the above on your arrogant nose and do not dare to poke me!
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 6 August 2020 11: 12 New
              +2
              Vain expectations, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, alas! I got rid of them long ago.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 6 August 2020 11: 09 New
        +2
        Why is it similar? Simply unacceptable.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 August 2020 12: 16 New
          +2
          And Petrov never answered me. Apparently he doesn't know how to use the bell))
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 6 August 2020 13: 05 New
            +1
            Like me, he does not like to answer unpleasant things to him.
    3. Hermit
      Hermit 3 August 2020 12: 19 New
      11
      Quote: Zorro21
      proves the hypocrisy of modern democracy

      Democracy and democracy are different. Democracy is based on the equality of functions of individuals as members of society. It bases the common good on a common will, in the formation of which it grants the right to participate to every citizen. Modern Russian democracy does not give such a right to a citizen.
      1. Zorro21
        Zorro21 3 August 2020 13: 34 New
        +7
        Quote: Hermit
        Democracy is based on the equality of functions of individuals as members of society.
        Do not forget that one of the main conditions of a democratic society are the availability of reliable information and freedom of expression of the will of citizens... In conditions when the authorities and oligarchs manipulate information in the media, and as a result, public opinion about any democracy is out of the question! The mass of people is always predictable and the puppeteers, called political strategists, use this successfully. And as soon as people find themselves to cut this "proud knot", the authorities immediately try to discredit and isolate them - this is the question of the lack of freedom of expression.
        But it should be noted that this situation, although it concerns Russia, is much less so than the USA, EU and other countries. After all, Russia still does not have a multi-million dollar budget allocated by the United States for anti-Russian, anti-Chinese, Atiiran and other propaganda.
    4. your1970
      your1970 3 August 2020 22: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Zorro21
      The campaign of slander in the media against the Communist Party presidential candidate Grudina alone proves the hypocrisy of modern democracy.

      To own (at that time) 90 plus% of the shares of CJSC ".... - this turns out to be social justice ... Th ...
      The CJSC has no more than 49 members. Remind me - where did the shares of the peasants go and why it suddenly became a closed joint-stock company ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 6 August 2020 11: 18 New
        +1
        Remind me - where did the shares of the peasants go and why it suddenly became a closed joint-stock company ...

        I will only answer the second part of your question. The first is also a lie.

        Link: https://sovhozlenina.ru/history/
        1. your1970
          your1970 6 August 2020 21: 17 New
          -1
          also a lie? oh how
          first SPK (which you confirm !!), then OJSC (which you also confirm "1991-1995"), then CJSC (and you confirm this !!), the property from OJSC went to CJSC (you confirm !!).
          More precisely, you are not even - you are in this matter NO ONE- confirmed by CJSC Sovkhoz itself
          And now carefully read my post and the law - and it says - CJSC - 49 shareholders, no more ...
          Naturally, there are members of the labor collective, but what about ... 15-20 people ... But even if there are 48 of them there, that's not the problem.
          For shares in the state farm, the peasants received about $ 500 (in 1995 prices) - and it was decent money. We paid 42-50 dollars for a share of 70 hectares then, maximum 100 bucks ...

          and now a little about the one who lives on a salary
          Follow the link https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/1789470 to the communication section
          we turn into leaders and founders
          Open https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/11825635 and see
          LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "CENTER-INVEST"
          where is he - the only thing person as an employee - director
          authorized capital of a company 1 882 540 890 rub
          According to the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, the founders of Center-Invest LLC are 5 individuals:
          Grudinin Pavel Nikolaevich
          Share: 532 006 056 руб. (28,26%)
          VAT number: 500304153323

          -well, the person has money
          the authorized capital of CJSC Sovkhoz by the way 4 650 000- only 2 times more, regardless of the land at home, school, kindergartens for pensioners and other blablabla - a little strange, but God is with him

          go further https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/11825667 and see
          SOCIETY WITH LIMITED LIABILITY "ALFA"
          where is he - the only thing person as an employee - director
          authorized capital of the company RUB 1
          According to the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, the founders of Alpha LLC are 5 individuals:
          Grudinin Pavel Nikolaevich
          Share:532 006 056 руб. (28,26%)
          TIN: 500304153323
          -yet from somewhere 500 lamas for contribution ....

          532 + = 532 1064 lard, remember ....
          Read on
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/2018/02/21/751703-grudinin-nazval-svoyu-zarplatu
          "The monthly salary of the CPRF presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin as director of the Lenin state farm near Moscow in last year was 2 million rubles., said Grudinin himself in an interview with the BBC Russian Service.
          According to the income declaration published on the CEC website, Grudinin earned 157,4 million rubles in six years. His bank accounts hold 5,92 million rubles. A candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation also declared 1,99 million shares of the state farm and 4% of the company "TT Development".
          Grudinin's wife earned 2,6 million rubles over the same period, plus 2 million rubles. stored in accounts, follows from the declaration. Two apartments in Moscow and the Moscow region with an area of ​​58,7 and 102,1 square meters are registered for Grudinin's wife. m, as well as 350 Lexus RX450 and Lexus RX2012 cars, in addition, she owns 50% in the Tair company.

          earlier I found figures about 90% of shares owned by him (together with his wife and son!)
          https://aif.ru/politics/russia/mify_o_narodnom_sovhoze_otkuda_vzyalis_milliardy_grudinina
          "Let's see who owns the juicy strawberry lands near the Moscow Ring Road. Pavel Grudinin has 63% of the shares: he keeps 43% with him, and 20% is offshore." knows who exactly is the owner of the offshore company Bontro Ltd, registered in Belize, which owns 20% of the shares of CJSC Lenin Sovkhoz through the Russian firm UFK. He said that, they say, there is a certain shareholder, but unknown, he has the right to hide somewhere in Belize, - clarifies Oleg Matveychev. - But during the divorce proceedings of Grudinin, the businessman had to reveal the data on the beneficiaries, and it turned out that the Belize offshore also belongs to him. "
          The remaining percentages are distributed as follows: 36% belong to the board members of the state farm, and one lonely percent belongs to 25 unemployed old people. These people have refused to give up their shares for pennies and are waiting to be lucky. "

          no desire to dig further, to look for how many shares belong to each piece, financial statements ...
          How did he contribute the authorized money to these offices - in real money or shares or something else ...
          not interested..
          I am a villager and I saw this technology worked out all the 90s - SPK - OJSC - CJSC ... I understand everything about it ...
          I won't prove anything to you either - you are stubborn.

          He is honest and decent ... believe him - people ...
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 8 August 2020 18: 34 New
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            I will not apologize to you. And not because I'm so stubborn.
            But because you actually call the person who created (together with the entire collective) what is on the lands of the former state farm a criminal.
            And you cover up those real criminals who destroy this company.
            https://pikabu.ru/story/edinaya_rossiya_likvidirovala_sovkhoz_imeni_leninanuzhen_rezonansbez_reytinga_6806144
            1. your1970
              your1970 8 August 2020 22: 17 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              I will not apologize to you. And not because I'm so stubborn.
              But because you actually call a person a criminal,

              and where я called businessman - a criminal ??? he is an ordinary successful businessman who turned out to be in the right place at the right time. The land there is gold again .... It happens, nothing surprising ... But I have never met honest and decent businessmen alive.

              Quote: NordUral
              the person who created (together with the entire team), that which stands on the lands of the former state farm.
              -created collective - before 30.06.1995... But further the paths of the collective and his diverged radically, they are in one direction - to pay, and he - to the shares of CJSC.
              There were 49 shareholders already then - but there are 500 ordinary hired laborers working at CJSC Sovkhoz and they have no shares ...
              you do not understand that he is just simply good to your own property, no more ...
              The completed kindergarten / school increases book value of the property of JSC and accordingly the cost his shareholding

              By the way, you never answered - where is the difference between
              Quote: your1970
              "The monthly salary of the CPRF presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin as director of the Lenin state farm near Moscow last year was 2 million rubles, said Grudinin himself in an interview with the BBC Russian Service ..

              Quote: your1970
              According to the income declaration published on the CEC website, in six years Grudinin earned 157,4 million rubles.

              и
              Quote: your1970
              532 + 532 = 1064 lard
              ??
              digits do not fit together a little, do not?

              Z.Y KPRF putting forward businessman candidate - lost in my eyes the remnants of reason, even Zyuganov was at least somehow perceived. The Bolsheviks in coffins, like propellers, went and turned ... Moreover, he contradicted the program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation in his speeches

              And yet - a man who whined that the media defamed him after the first weak blow - he seemed to hold the blows of the USA / military / pensioners / emergency houses / killed housing and communal services / thugs-neighbors / oil drops / oligarchs / and further, further, further ... ?
              He even elementary - to put his accounts in order - so as not to fly in with them, he could not ...
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 9 August 2020 12: 33 New
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                Sergei!
                You would understand the "thorny" path to the sudden enrichment of really oligarchs, and we have a lot of them and even a lot. The officials would be taken care of.
                Otherwise they clung to Grudinin like a tick.
                And further. Yes, you didn’t directly call him a criminal, but you accuse him of criminal actions of “deceiving” equity holders, payshiks, shareholders (I don’t go into details, this is not the point).
                And I understand and accept his actions, which were necessary for the development of the economy.
                And I judge so not as a couch "expert". But because he himself went the way (albeit in a much, much smaller size).
                When I was creating my own business, then still a limited liability partnership, I introduced partners to the founders. And then something began that I had never expected due to inexperience. None of them seemed interested in the development of a common business - give a high salary and direct all the profits to a then new word - dividends.
                I worked so little and covered this LLP - swim yourself.
                I never had any co-founders or investors again. He rose and fell himself.
                Grudinin was more fortunate - there were real partners. And the rest worked for a good salary.
                So take care of real thieves and criminals like Deripaska, who gave aluminum and power generation to the West.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 9 August 2020 21: 00 New
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                  Quote: NordUral
                  So take care of real thieves and criminals like Deripaska, who gave aluminum and power generation to the West.
                  -Deripaska (thank God !!) did not run for the Communist Party ...

                  Would Grudinin nominate his candidacy from any BOURGEOIS party - yes, as much as you like !!! A man of action, a businessman, did not let them break up and so on .. for me, however, they are equal, these businessmen ... one has more - the other has less sins, and so ...

                  Quote: NordUral
                  And further. Yes, you didn’t directly call him a criminal, but you accuse him of criminal actions of “deceiving” equity holders, payshiks, shareholders (I don’t go into details, this is not the point).
                  And I understand and accept his actions, which were necessary for the development of the economy.
                  - for the development of the economy in capitalist the state needs to throw the state, colleagues and staff. This is the law of wild capitalism - as we had in the 90s. Well, he threw it and threw it - I don't see anything unusual and unexpected here. Everyone threw everyone back then, there were such times ...

                  But from the Communist Party belay belay I did not expect such a trick - a billionaire (albeit not a dollar one !!) as a candidate.
                  If before that I could listen and listen to their ideas, slogans, program - then after that they are for me died like a party ... so get in ...
                  Party denying private ownership of the means of production - called the classic latifundist belay as candidates .....
                  Lenin with Stalin's heads in their coffins are beating with freaking out

                  Even Zyuganov would have looked more natural in candidates ... Yes, even if they had called Ksyushad, it would have looked better

                  ZY And one more thing: if I found, after spending half an hour - two extremely incomprehensible moments in his biography - guess the first time - how much compromising evidence the CIA would have dug up on him - if he became the president of the Russian Federation. And for what piquant places they would pinch ... Do we need it?
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 9 August 2020 22: 11 New
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                    ZY And one more thing: if I found, after spending half an hour - two extremely incomprehensible moments in his biography - guess the first time - how much compromising evidence the CIA would have dug up on him - if he became the president of the Russian Federation. And for what piquant places they would pinch ... Do we need it?

                    They had someone to dig up from, but there was no special work to do.
                    I end our conversation with this - I don't see the point.
  4. magdama
    magdama 3 August 2020 05: 21 New
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    I fully agree with the author of the article. The story with Platoshkin is a stupid arbitrariness of insolent and cowardly bosses. Everything goes to October 1917. Beware, insolent rulers.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 13: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: magdama
      Everything goes to October 1917. Beware, insolent rulers.

      So far it is creeping rather.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 4 August 2020 14: 17 New
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        ... at the age of 17 there was a free weapon ..., now it is the same, but not for everyone - tea is not America or Switzerland and other countries ..., a slave is not allowed ..
    2. Yuriy Malyshko
      Yuriy Malyshko 3 August 2020 15: 00 New
      +2
      Unfortunately for those in power, few of them remember (if they even heard!) That in February of the 17th (XX century, naturally) naked policemen were running around Petrograd, and no one tried to help them. Everything goes to the repetition of those phenomena.
  5. Li17
    Li17 3 August 2020 05: 38 New
    0
    Quote: magdama
    Everything goes to October 1917. Beware, insolent rulers.

    but this is too much! reluctance to be clever on the basis of scientific communism and the history of the CPSU ... for this it is worth remembering these subjects in military schools at department number 1, or at least social science in the Soviet school!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 August 2020 17: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: lithium17
      Quote: magdama
      Everything goes to October 1917. Beware, insolent rulers.

      but this is too much! reluctance to be clever on the basis of scientific communism and the history of the CPSU ... for this it is worth remembering these subjects in military schools at department number 1, or at least social science in the Soviet school!

      I wonder in which school the departments were numbered? laughing
      1. Li17
        Li17 4 August 2020 06: 26 New
        +3
        Novocherkassk VVKKUS
    2. Aag
      Aag 5 August 2020 22: 15 New
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      Quote: lithium17
      Quote: magdama
      Everything goes to October 1917. Beware, insolent rulers.

      but this is too much! reluctance to be clever on the basis of scientific communism and the history of the CPSU ... for this it is worth remembering these subjects in military schools at department number 1, or at least social science in the Soviet school!

      And what doesn't hit there? The top can, the bottom want?
      1. Li17
        Li17 6 August 2020 06: 38 New
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        read the classics about objective and subjective reasons ... This was well taught in grade 10 in my time in social science and the history of the CPSU. Well, a personal question for all the hot couch "fighters" - are you ready to go to the barricades? And not to scratch with tongues?
        1. Aag
          Aag 6 August 2020 07: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: lithium17
          read the classics about objective and subjective reasons ... This was well taught in grade 10 in my time in social science and the history of the CPSU. Well, a personal question for all the hot couch "fighters" - are you ready to go to the barricades? And not to scratch with tongues?

          So good that it didn't work out with spelling, good manners?))
          Although I graduated from the engineering faculty, I went to a military-political school. I had to study Marxism-Leninism. "History of the CPSU" is a separate discipline, by the way ...
          No, barricades (and even more so "barricades") would not be desirable. But what did the classics write about the voluntary change of power?
          1. Li17
            Li17 6 August 2020 16: 33 New
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            Well, tell me, you have both the spelling and good manners in this regard, especially since the profile of an educational engineer of human souls. Or you can generally lead the rebellious electorate, or become commissioners to Navalny. And so that they do not look further for my mistakes (my weak point), with my education, everything is fine, I was a real commander, the opposition in the subunits was within the established framework, including the superiors. Thanks to my teachers!
            1. Aag
              Aag 6 August 2020 17: 24 New
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              What to tell something? ...
              You are not careful, I wrote the "engineering department" ...
              I do not plan to lead the "rebels" ...
              You can go to Navalny yourself ... Moreover, you had opposition in your units.
              It is only interesting who set the framework for it. In the OVU of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, this was not said. (Only about the principle of one-man command.) In the BU of the types of troops, for sure, too ...
  6. kyznets
    kyznets 3 August 2020 05: 38 New
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    Now the authorities have made Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin a victim for the common Russian people and for Russia. And an investigator with a sonorous name Abdurakhmanov. And the money was seized, and the charges are really crazy. Either the level of idiocy and impunity in the authorities is already off scale, or the authorities are so rude but effective in promoting both Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin and Sergei Ivanovich Furgal. Most likely the first. This is still on Kafka, but already Alice: "everything is more and more wonderful ..."! The constitution was changed, but the level of responsibility was not changed. The lack of responsibility of officials for their actions or inaction leads to such a big top with the prosecutor's office and other law enforcement officers. All this would probably be funny if it weren't so disgusting.
    1. populist
      populist 3 August 2020 08: 29 New
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      kyznets (Nikolay Nikolaevich)
      or the authorities are so rude but effective in promoting Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin

      Platoshkin is not just a demagogue and populist. Platoshkin is also promoted by the Kremlin to select votes from the real left, to confuse and drive away the left electorate.
      Platoshkin was promoted on the central channels. And when he began to lose popularity, when many saw through him, the house arrest trick was invented.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 3 August 2020 08: 47 New
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        Quote: populist
        Platoshkin was promoted on the central channels. And when he began to lose popularity, when many saw through him, the house arrest trick was invented.

        The same was about Grudinin. You have all populists and demagogues .. especially those who are leftist and say the right things.
        Platoshkin is also promoted by the Kremlin to select votes from the real left,

        And who do you think is the real leftist?
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 3 August 2020 11: 33 New
          -5
          Quote: Svarog
          The same was about Grudinin. You have all populists and demagogues .. especially those who are leftist and say the right things.
          fool What to do, it is. Navalny says the right thing, and ..... You need to study. Then no one will cheat.
          Platoshkin did not deceive, he did not tell the whole truth. What kind of socialism, if it gets rid of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." fool
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 4 August 2020 13: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Navalny says the right thing

            For 400 thousand dollars for each speech .. I would also say the right things for such grandmother .. that's how to drink! bully
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 4 August 2020 14: 28 New
              +1
              Don't say gop! To say so, you have to study in the USA for 5 years. repeat
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 4 August 2020 14: 33 New
                +1
                recourse and 5-year high school Soviet education will not fail? In my opinion, the department of Marxism-Leninism alone will shove all training in the United States into the belt! laughing
        2. Hermit
          Hermit 3 August 2020 12: 27 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          And who do you think is the real leftist?

          Udaltsov, Tyulkin, Malentsov, Cherepanov, Rashkin, Klychkov, you can continue the list further.
          You'd better tell me what "new socialism" is? Nobody invented anything new in socialism. The concept of socialism, which was more than 100 years ago, remains so today.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 3 August 2020 15: 18 New
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            Quote: Hermit
            Udaltsov, Tyulkin, Malentsov, Cherepanov, Rashkin, Klychkov, you can continue the list further.

            Great, I have a very positive attitude towards all of the above .. But why separate .. divide the left, into more left and moderate? It is necessary to unite and Platoshkin called everyone to this .. The disunited left is weak, in unity there is strength .. and when the left comes to power, it is possible to debate who is a demagogue and who sets out everything correctly.
            As for the new socialism, you correctly noted, it is 100 years old, as the same .. But the "new" in the name can be perceived as renewed, taking into account the mistakes of the past. In general, it is not the names that matter.
            1. Arlen
              Arlen 3 August 2020 18: 20 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              It is necessary to unite and Platoshkin called everyone to this.

              What does it mean to unite? Who? Volodya, are you aware of the Left Front and who are its allies? Its allies are the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, ROT-FRONT (the founders are V. Tyulkin RKRP and S. Udaltsov). Labor Russia is part of the RCWP. OKP is an ally of the RCWP. And Zyuganov is also the leader of the UPC-KPSS. So who should the left forces unite with, if they already support each other?
              Quote: Svarog
              "new" in the name can be perceived as updated, taking into account the mistakes of the past

              And what were the mistakes of socialism in the past? I know of only two mistakes Khrushchev and Gorbachev. What other mistakes? What can be renewed in socialism? Turn towards capitalism? Socialism is one and there is no other socialism, neither "new" nor "renewed."
              Quote: Svarog
              it is possible to debate who is a demagogue and who sets out everything correctly

              But this is the most important mistake. First, you need to develop a program for the development of the country and society, and only then go out with it to the people. Otherwise, it turns out for all the good, against all the bad, but no one knows how to achieve this good, and there is nothing to offer the people.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 3 August 2020 19: 38 New
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                Quote: Arlen
                What does it mean to unite? Who? Volodya,

                First of all, the electorate ... is it really not clear, look at the commentators, many are for the left movement, but for a specific person, while their like-minded people are "extinguished"
                Quote: Arlen
                And what were the mistakes of socialism in the past? I know of only two mistakes Khrushchev and Gorbachev.

                Exactly ... why did these two errors occur?
                Quote: Arlen
                But this is the most important mistake. First, you need to develop a program for the development of the country and society, and only then go out with it to the people. Otherwise, it turns out for all the good, against all the bad, but no one knows how to achieve this good, and there is nothing to offer the people.

                I disagree. There is a program. The same Grudinin had a great option. Not everyone believes in the program, thanks to the propagandists .. there are those who consider it populism, while advocating for the left movement .. For this reason, you first need to unite the electorate around the left idea, bring to power, and in the process discuss certain initiatives.
                I do not pretend to be true of my judgments, but the fact is obvious, many on this site are for socialism, but between them there is always a question of personality that splits the left movement. hi
                1. Arlen
                  Arlen 3 August 2020 22: 55 New
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                  Quote: Svarog
                  The electorate in the first place .. is it really not clear

                  No, it's not clear. The people will vote for the one who will present a real program, and not a set of slogans. The fact that only 2018% voted for Grudinin in 11,77 speaks of only one thing, the poor work of his team, which did not convey his program to the voters, and the good work of Putin's PR team, which was able to form negative public opinion towards Grudinin. I repeat, if Grudinin's team conveyed his program to the people, the election result could be different. As an example, I can cite my hometown of Ulyanovsk, where the Communist Party of the Russian Federation won the local elections in September 2018. They won precisely by actively promoting and explaining their program to the people.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  many are for the left movement, but for a specific person, while their like-minded people are "extinguished"

                  Didn't notice. Who extinguishes their like-minded people? I would like to see such an individual. I saw only those who are trying to explain to their interlocutor his mistakes.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Exactly ... why did these two errors occur?

                  As a result of the mistakes of the party appart and government officials. And how does the "new renewed socialism" propose to prevent similar mistakes in the future? And what other mistakes did socialism have?
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Not everyone believes in the program, thanks to propagandists

                  The propagandists should have their own team of executors capable of conveying the ideas of the candidate to the people.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  there are those who consider it populism, while advocating for the left movement

                  These are not supporters of the left movement, but its enemies, or opportunists.
                  Quote: Svarog
                  For this reason, it is necessary to unite the electorate first, around the leftist idea

                  The beginning is good and correct, this is the same as I said in the comment above, it is necessary to develop a program for the development of the country and society, but the ending:
                  Quote: Svarog
                  bring to power and discuss certain initiatives in the process.

                  I have a very good friend and comrade whom I respect, but rarely ever agree with him (his name is Stroporez). So he also believes that it will be right. I, in order not to write a lot and for a long time, will remind you of something from history. After the death of the Great Lenin, disputes began in the party about how to be and what to do next. All these Trotskys, Kamenevs and other Bukharins were chatting with the Zinovievs, arguing, trying to prove something. And only one person, who did not participate in all this nonsense, had a program to bring the country out of ruin. His name is Stalin. And Stalin made the country a world leader. Something like this... hi
              2. your1970
                your1970 7 August 2020 11: 26 New
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                Quote: Arlen
                So who should the left forces unite with, if they already support each other?

                Together? Good!!!!
                So why
                Quote: Arlen
                no one knows how to achieve this good, and there is nothing to offer the people.

                A bunch of left-wing parties - but offer the people real - there is nothing?
                1. Arlen
                  Arlen 8 August 2020 23: 07 New
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                  Quote: your1970
                  to offer the people real - nothing?

                  Why is there nothing? Before the elections, the united left-wing coalition will put its program on public display. Do not forget that in our country the situation in the economy changes every year. She is not stable with us. Therefore, the programs of any political party, not only left-wing parties, become outdated very quickly.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 9 August 2020 22: 45 New
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                    Expose? The same as your candidate in the 2018 elections? ??? !!!!!
                    Well, let's wait .....
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 38 New
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        Well, Vasilyeva was under house arrest in the 13th cell prison, probably to raise her own rating ?! But Serdyukov was not imprisoned so as not to raise the rating? And Ksenia Sobchak means not an opposition at all, although she went to the elections as an opposition ?!
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 3 August 2020 11: 01 New
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        Quote: populist
        Platoshkin is not just a demagogue and populist.

        Why should the Kremlin be pulled by the ears? It may well be that Platoshkin is just a demagogue, populist and balabol. He speaks beautifully, competently, and exactly what we expect and want to hear. This is New Zhirik. repeatIn a more attractive package. "Far from the people?" Here's Zakharka Prilepin. fool That still pepper. He fought, shed blood and knows many correct words about the truth, no less than Navalny. angry
      4. Consul
        Consul 3 August 2020 11: 56 New
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        Quote: populist
        Platoshkin is also promoted by the Kremlin to select votes from the real left, to confuse and drive away the left electorate.

        good Do not add do not subtract. You are 100% right hi
      5. Doliva63
        Doliva63 3 August 2020 17: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: populist
        kyznets (Nikolay Nikolaevich)
        or the authorities are so rude but effective in promoting Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin

        Platoshkin is not just a demagogue and populist. Platoshkin is also promoted by the Kremlin to select votes from the real left, to confuse and drive away the left electorate.
        Platoshkin was promoted on the central channels. And when he began to lose popularity, when many saw through him, the house arrest trick was invented.

        Where, excuse me, the firewood?
        1. populist
          populist 4 August 2020 14: 04 New
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          Doliva63 Yesterday,
          Where, excuse me, the firewood?

          Basically our own analysis of information.
          Here is one of the facts that are obvious to me and it is also one of the main arguments.

          Brief information from the biography of Platoshkin.
          Graduated from Chulkovsk secondary school number 20 with a gold medal
          In 1982 he entered the highly prestigious MGIMO of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs
          graduated with honors in 1987
          In 2003 he graduated from the special course for the management staff at the Diplomatic Academy
          From 1987 to 2006, he worked at the Foreign Ministry at the Russian diplomatic missions in Germany and the United States [6].
          19 years of diplomatic service and prestigious positions.
          speaks four foreign languages: German, English, Czech, Spanish.
          In 2006, he left the diplomatic service. In the same year he switched to teaching.
          14 years of successful teaching
          Head of the Department of International Relations and Diplomacy, Moscow University for the Humanities
          In 2003 he defended his Ph.D. thesis
          and in 2009 - doctoral
          In her works she relies on previously unexplored sources, often in foreign languages
          Author of 19 (!) Monographs good , textbooks and articles, including in peer-reviewed VAK journals

          Conclusions.
          Platoshkin is a very educated, experienced, intelligent person. good And suddenly, in the sixth decade, he spits on all his achievements, on his entire successful career and rushes headlong into fighting for the fate of the working people of our native Russia and all of world mankind.
          Do you believe it? Me not! negative Where was he before? Or such an intelligent and knowledgeable Platoshkin did not see what was happening in his native Fatherland? It is simply being led for specific purposes!
      6. Aag
        Aag 5 August 2020 22: 19 New
        0
        Quote: populist
        kyznets (Nikolay Nikolaevich)
        or the authorities are so rude but effective in promoting Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin

        Platoshkin is not just a demagogue and populist. Platoshkin is also promoted by the Kremlin to select votes from the real left, to confuse and drive away the left electorate.
        Platoshkin was promoted on the central channels. And when he began to lose popularity, when many saw through him, the house arrest trick was invented.

        Tell us about the real left?
        1. populist
          populist 6 August 2020 08: 29 New
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          AAG (Alexander Astapenko)
          Tell us about the real left?

          The real left are people of left political convictions who participate in public and political life. I will only mention the name of Yuri Mukhin, although I am not his supporter.
          The fake left is created and created by the authorities to confuse and drive away left voters. Some of the most striking examples are Zhirinovsky from the Liberal Democratic Party and Mironov from the SR.
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 35 New
      +4
      What has changed in the constitution? Basically, the powers of the supreme power have been prescribed! And the constitution itself suits the authorities! Wouldn't suit, would write their own, and not make additions! What is guaranteed for the people there? What are the rights? For work, for rest, for treatment, for education, for housing, for retirement? There is not even guaranteed hourly wages! What is our minimum wage per hour? What should the minimum wage or pension be enough for?
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 13: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: kyznets
      Either the level of idiocy and impunity in the authorities is already off scale, or the authorities are so rude but effective in promoting both Nikolai Nikolaevich Platoshkin and Sergei Ivanovich Furgal.

      Rather, the option is that Platoshkin's PR and cuts out Furgala according to his interests. For the authorities, Platoshkin is no more dangerous than the pseudo-communist Zyuganov.
  7. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 3 August 2020 05: 50 New
    +5
    Everything is written in white thread, some kind of arbitrariness is going on. This has not happened in a long time.
    1. Far B
      Far B 3 August 2020 06: 10 New
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      Long time ago ?! The Golunov case was last year - is it really long ago? Now in Primorye and in Khabar people are being pulled for rallies on absolutely far-fetched reasons. And, as the author rightly noted, how many cases are still unknown to us? So it has never been very long. This stuff happens regularly. Only the figures are more modest, and therefore less publicity.
    2. Hermit
      Hermit 3 August 2020 12: 30 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      some kind of arbitrariness is going on

      It's high time to get used to this.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      It's been a long time since this

      This year, for example, the court closed the Rot-Front movement.
  8. Clueless
    Clueless 3 August 2020 06: 08 New
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    Everything is very simple, they begin to clean up the platform for future elections. Only more competently, and not like Lukashenka, who took and imprisoned him before the elections. We do it in advance.
    Moreover, it is done skillfully, in one place they give the back (for example, with Golunov) to distract attention, and in another place they urinate (for example, Platoshkin, Grudinin).
    By the time of the elections, we will have peace and quiet, and from all screens they will tell us - well, there is no alternative (to Putin, or his successor), we are not to blame that there is no substitute in politics.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 3 August 2020 07: 47 New
      10
      Yes, "enemies are all around," do not allow Russia to develop ...

      But in general, you can't argue against the "laws of the universe": ..
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    1. mole
      mole 3 August 2020 06: 34 New
      16
      Quote: CruorVult
      I / We are Platoshkin performed by Skomorokhov :-D

      When there is nothing to object, we begin to sarcastically ???
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    2. sabakina
      sabakina 3 August 2020 07: 12 New
      0
      Quote: CruorVult
      I / We are Platoshkin performed by Skomorokhov :-D

      Despite the fact that Banshee "dispersed" our clan, and it exists, albeit in a different format, in this situation I will stand behind him and serve ammunition!
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 13: 30 New
        -5
        Roman Skomorokhov is a petty bourgeois offended by the system. And although I believe that he is to some extent right in his claims, this does not put him on the side of the people. For his opposition is temporary. They will give him an order or somehow recognize the merits and he will instantly go over to the side of power.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 3 August 2020 06: 33 New
    10
    During these 30 years, we have all drifted so far that it is doubtful that it would be possible to bring everyone together.
    .... A good example, the Union State of Russia and Belarus and recent events ... When representatives of the union state arrest the citizens of this union state and are ready to hand them over to another state ... And Platoshkin, that Platoshkin is a "German" agent who flew in a "sealed" blue plane to undermine state foundations ... laughing As proof, the seized money ... laughing It all fits ... laughing After the trial, they will probably be destroyed laughing Enemy... laughing But Colonel Zakharchenko is a social friend, the one from whom so much money was confiscated that it was possible to build two Hangars ... By the way, what about him? Sewing mittens or gone into business? laughing for not being proven ... And Platoshkin will be convicted, to the maximum ... conditionally ... Bolivar, will not stand two ... The violinist is not needed ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 3 August 2020 06: 58 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      And Platoshkin will be convicted, to the maximum ... conditionally ... Bolivar, will not stand two ... A violinist is not needed ...

      Yes, it's sad to see all this ...
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 13: 36 New
      -2
      Quote: parusnik
      By the way, what about him? Sewing mittens or gone into business?

      And how can one fail to recall the singing love of a former defense minister. Well, just one to one with all sorts of ballerinas of the early 20th century. And then suddenly sealed carriages and Masonic bombs under Putin's chair.laughing
  11. Jura 27
    Jura 27 3 August 2020 06: 41 New
    +7
    They will condemn him for a stop, in order to set a rival to the successor in the next elections. For examination, a fragment of the required length has already been cut out, from the video and the court will easily close his eyes to phrases taken out of context.
    The NNP can only be saved by going out into the streets, one hundred thousand people in Moscow, but it is unlikely that such a number will be able to gather.
    1. Hermit
      Hermit 3 August 2020 12: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Jura 27
      They will condemn him for a stop, in order to install a competitor to the successor in the next elections

      Not a competitor to Platoshkin. Platoshkin is an artificially created "opposition" politician.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 3 August 2020 13: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Hermit
        Platoshkin is an artificially created "opposition" politician.

        Well, we must merge the left protest somewhere. Zyuganich is no longer a cake, and Kenguryan cannot cope. I'm interested in something else. How long will our people continue to be in a state of chronic stupidity?
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 3 August 2020 17: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Quote: Hermit
          Platoshkin is an artificially created "opposition" politician.

          Well, we must merge the left protest somewhere. Zyuganich is no longer a cake, and Kenguryan cannot cope. I'm interested in something else. How long will our people continue to be in a state of chronic stupidity?

          Lenin: "The agitator must speak in such a way that he is understood."
          When I hear Platoshkin, I understand him; when I read you, I don't understand anything. There is no benefit from Platoshkin, even if it reminds of socialism (as opposed to the same Zyu), I don't see any benefit from you yet. Only unfounded accusations against Platoshkin. Maybe you will be honored to unfold?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 4 August 2020 08: 07 New
            -1
            Quote: Doliva63
            When I hear Platoshkin, I understand him

            Well, his rhetoric is designed for those who absolutely do not want to think about what they have hung on their ears.
            Quote: Doliva63
            when I read you, I don't understand anything.

            Because you have to think when you read. And then it becomes clear that your plateau is a cheap demagogue. A hundred years ago, Lenin chased such demagogues with rags with rags.
            Quote: Doliva63
            The benefit of Platoshkin is that it reminds of socialism

            Trump is also useful, and they also spoke about socialism and communism from Hitler. I am looking at logic for you - an incomprehensible word.
            Quote: Doliva63
            Only unfounded accusations against Platoshkin. Maybe you will be honored to unfold?

            That blizzard that your plateauchkin is carrying. I will not chew you here what and how. Take it yourself and read the classics of obscurity, And if there is even a drop of brains, you must understand that your plateau is a lying scum.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 4 August 2020 18: 53 New
              +1
              Makar, where did you study the classics of Marxism, I wonder? Judging by your Russian, nowhere. Did you guess right? laughing
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 5 August 2020 08: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Doliva63
                Makar, where did you study the classics of Marxism, I wonder?

                I read them in different sources. But I got down to some things about which they write myself. Unfortunately, quite late.
                Quote: Doliva63
                Judging by your Russian, nowhere.

                Judging by what you write, you hardly understand what the same Lenin wanted to say in his writings. And he says there - "Doliva63 don't be a fool, don't trust the plateoshkin."
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 5 August 2020 19: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Makar, where did you study the classics of Marxism, I wonder?

                  I read them in different sources. But I got down to some things about which they write myself. Unfortunately, quite late.
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Judging by your Russian, nowhere.

                  Judging by what you write, you hardly understand what the same Lenin wanted to say in his writings. And he says there - "Doliva63 don't be a fool, don't trust the plateoshkin."

                  Such classics should be read ONLY according to the original source, and not anywhere. Then you will know the truth. You probably know that there was the Iskra newspaper? Do you know how and why Lenin fought with her? To achieve the goal, you have to maneuver / maneuver. I do not know the real goals of Platoshkin, but at this stage he is very useful. At least in order for the people to see that Ziu is no longer a leader, he must be changed. I am not a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (although my neighbors are all over there laughing ), but I am a consistent supporter of socialism-communism. At work, I communicated with the "rudders" of the Communist Party of the Sverdlovsk region and Joburg - one a little over 30, the other a little less. It seems good - young people. But, damn it, they want to EARN on this, and not be useful! Skuzyme for a lot of bukoff hi
          2. ver_
            ver_ 4 August 2020 14: 36 New
            +1
            ... he is radish ..
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 4 August 2020 18: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: ver_
              ... he is radish ..

              Explain, pliz.
              1. ver_
                ver_ 5 August 2020 15: 40 New
                0
                ..and you listen to the intonation ... and not the words ..
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 5 August 2020 19: 05 New
                  0
                  Quote: ver_
                  ..and you listen to the intonation ... and not the words ..

                  Normal intonation and speech well delivered. There are generally some pluses. Or am I missing something?
      2. Jura 27
        Jura 27 3 August 2020 14: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Hermit
        Quote: Jura 27
        They will condemn him for a stop, in order to install a competitor to the successor in the next elections

        Not a competitor to Platoshkin. Platoshkin is an artificially created "opposition" politician.

        There would be no competitor, they would not close him for 5 months, with the clear intention of not allowing him to participate in the elections, by sewing a criminal record.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 5 August 2020 09: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: Jura 27
          There would be no competitor, they would not close him for 5 months, with the clear intention of not allowing him to participate in the elections, by sewing a criminal record.

          Is it okay that now the authorities need to channel the left protest somewhere, and the Zyuganovs and Kurginians are clearly not suitable for this? We need a new politician who will cheat the people.
          1. Jura 27
            Jura 27 5 August 2020 11: 27 New
            +2
            [/ quote] Is it okay that now the authorities need to channel the left protest somewhere, and the Zyuganovs and Kurginians are clearly not suitable for this? We need a new politician who will cheat the people. [Quote]

            To cheat people, you need to be free and have access to the media. The PNP, on the other hand, under arrest and a term should be given to him, and certainly without the right to engage in political activities, tk he is an extremist, which will be recognized by the court.
  12. Dimy4
    Dimy4 3 August 2020 06: 41 New
    24
    Needless to say, our Solntseliky is already afraid of eccentric shamans, and educated people should be isolated even more so that the people are not disturbed.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 3 August 2020 08: 14 New
      15
      Quote: Dimy4
      Needless to say, our Solntseliky is already afraid of eccentric shamans, and educated people should be isolated even more so that the people are not disturbed.


      Yeah! Notably, Platoshkin smeared these clowns! There are few protests for Furgal, and soon Platoshkina will also arrive if their far-fetched accusations are not dropped in time. And to be honest, they already got it, a person may not be imprisoned for ... a dog. There would be a man, but there is an article. They themselves provoke the people.
  13. nikvic46
    nikvic46 3 August 2020 06: 43 New
    17
    I know Platoshkin only from his comments on television. And I must say, very fair comments. Faith in official information is slowly melting away. Something happened, but we are told it did not happen. About Khabarovsk. I do not believe that people go out on street in support of Furgal's past, something he did for the people that the governors did not do before him.
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 3 August 2020 06: 52 New
    16
    It is clear that Platoshkin encroached on the sacred, acquired by the oligarchs as a result of privatization, under the tales of democracy, only everyone has already understood that the tale is a lie! and without any hint. And the authorities do not need a person who reminds citizens of what they have lost, what they have given in exchange for "freedom". The Putinites see the decision as simple, give a term to Platoshkin so that he could not run for president. To select zero, all who are larger must be removed so that only negative values ​​remain: Sobchak, Navalny, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky ...
  15. Flamberg
    Flamberg 3 August 2020 07: 02 New
    +3
    Sorry, but the main idea of ​​restoring the USSR on the basis of the referendum held 30 years ago is, of course, utopia. During these 30 years, we have all drifted so far that it is doubtful that it would be possible to bring everyone together. Is it really necessary?

    Resource nationalization? Definitely yes. Resources should bring profit to all citizens of the country, and not to a bunch of oligarchs who have laid their hands on them.

    Cancellation of the pension reform? Well, here, probably, if there are any disagreements with this, then only in the Kremlin, the state apparatus of the country and the Duma. The rest of the population is against.

    Free higher education? Who, tell me, will be against the way it was during the Soviet era? Not pitiful handouts in the form of a certain number of budget-funded places in universities, but, on the contrary, paid education for the "especially gifted"?

    To return "burnt out" bank deposits in the 90s? It is unlikely that any of the robbed in those days would be against.

    Forgive me, but this is all pure populism. Some are ready to promise mountains of gold and jelly shores just to get to the authorities.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 3 August 2020 07: 31 New
      -15
      Platoshkin is a pure populist and demagogue.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 August 2020 07: 33 New
      +7
      Some are ready to promise mountains of gold and jelly shores just to stay in power.
      And so?
      1. Flamberg
        Flamberg 3 August 2020 07: 42 New
        -13
        Well, Putin does not tell such frank tales. I am not going to defend the current government. But I consider statements in the spirit of "taking away from the rich and giving to the poor" pure nonsense, because it is necessary to fight not with wealth, but with poverty. For as the example of our "non-brothers" shows: worse than a thief in power is a stupid loser thief.
        1. U-58
          U-58 3 August 2020 08: 46 New
          +9
          Yes, fight poverty.
          We have been talking about this for 25 years.
          Where's the cart? That's right, a swan with a pike crayfish.
          What remains? Select and divide. Or really convincing of such intentions so that the Russian troika would move in the right direction
          1. Flamberg
            Flamberg 3 August 2020 08: 51 New
            -6
            At one of his press conferences, Putin said that many problems in the country are due to the legacy of the 90s, because many former bandits came out of the shadows, put on their jackets and are in power. Probably until we outgrow the consequences of the times of troubles and we will have problems.

            This is my quote from the post below.
            So what to do? Wait until the new generation matures. These are those who were born in the late 90s and later. Perhaps these will be people with different values ​​and priorities. request
        2. Polente the Wanderer
          Polente the Wanderer 3 August 2020 09: 08 New
          +4
          The little elephant is not enough for everyone ...
          To give to the poor, one must take from somewhere.
          If you just print money, it will only get worse.
          All that remains is the redistribution of income from the sale of the "national treasure" and this is not only from the sale of gas
          1. Flamberg
            Flamberg 3 August 2020 09: 28 New
            -10
            In 1917 everything was taken away from the rich, but the people, as they were poor, remained.
            1. U-58
              U-58 3 August 2020 09: 49 New
              +9
              Well, I stayed ...
              In 1986, I did not consider my family poor.
              Dad bought a car in 1987, went to the Black Sea every year. And they were certainly all fed and dressed.
              Children are attached both at school and on vacation.
              We would like to go abroad, so work in the space industry did not start up.
              For the rest, everyone was happy. And the Olympics were gorgeous and the Festival was held.
              What more could you want?
              1. Flamberg
                Flamberg 3 August 2020 10: 05 New
                -7
                Well, if you compare the neighbors, then maybe it seems that it is not poor. And if from abroad, then the alignment is already different, but who would have shown it to you at that time.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 3 August 2020 18: 03 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  Well, if you compare the neighbors, then maybe it seems that it is not poor. And if from abroad, then the alignment is already different, but who would have shown it to you at that time.

                  And if you compare with the mythical Atlanteans - then finally tryndets! laughing You are simply an envious person in life, it is your reason that overshadows you, that's all.
                  1. Flamberg
                    Flamberg 6 August 2020 04: 12 New
                    -1
                    Why should I compare with the mythical Atlanteans, when there are quite real USA and other countries of decaying capitalism, against the background of which the USSR is a country with impoverished inhabitants? And where did you see my envy? These are just facts ..
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 6 August 2020 20: 56 New
                      0
                      Quote: Flamberg
                      Why should I compare with the mythical Atlanteans, when there are quite real USA and other countries of decaying capitalism, against the background of which the USSR is a country with impoverished inhabitants? And where did you see my envy? These are just facts ..

                      In the 60s and 70s he lived with his parents in the GDR (there was such a country there - the GSVG was called Wonderland, by God!). Once the FRG was hit by FIAT. Well, there is some kind of repair, how much money, etc. Capitalists: no, no repairs are needed, we will do it ourselves. But if a bottle of Soviet champagne and a jar of black caviar - the question is closed. This champagne in any Voentorg stood along with caviar for very little money. 15 minutes and the capitalists left happy. The poor inhabitants of the USSR could afford, but the capitalists of the FRG could not afford it. You have funny facts.
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 5 August 2020 18: 17 New
                  +1
                  Well, compare with India and China at that time. Where do you come from so fabulous.
                  1. Flamberg
                    Flamberg 6 August 2020 04: 10 New
                    0
                    What for? India and China were ideological opponents of the USSR in the Cold War? Or did the USSR catch up and overtake them until it collapsed?
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 5 August 2020 18: 15 New
              0
              Are you completely sick?
              1. Flamberg
                Flamberg 6 August 2020 04: 19 New
                0
                Your parents did not teach you good manners in childhood ...
        3. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 47 New
          12
          I consider statements in the spirit of "taking from the rich and giving to the poor" pure delirium, because it is necessary to fight not with wealth, but with poverty.
          And the reality is to take everything away from the poor and give it to the rich! laughing Why is it possible to take away only from the poor? That is why they took five years from the poor before retirement, while the rich did not take even five percent of their income?
          1. Flamberg
            Flamberg 3 August 2020 10: 49 New
            -9
            If you are looking for justice, then this is not for me. And I don’t work as a lawyer for the current government.
        4. Alf
          Alf 3 August 2020 19: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Flamberg
          we must fight not with wealth, but with poverty.

          Can you name the cause of poverty? Only the formula "they don't want to work" is better not to mention, it will be ugly, and it will smell of plagiarism.
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 3 August 2020 08: 24 New
      11
      Yes, a populist, I agree. "And who doesn't drink? Name it!" ... But now we are not talking about his views, but about the methods applied to him ... Zhirinovsky is not jailed for populism, just as an example ... Or Gozman, he is not a populist, but he said a lot ... for several terms, under various articles ... We don't hand over our own ...
      1. Flamberg
        Flamberg 3 August 2020 08: 27 New
        -1
        Well, there are probably useful idiots, and there are dangerous ones. This is probably the difference.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 3 August 2020 08: 44 New
          +5
          [B]
          Well, there are probably useful idiots, and there are dangerous ones. This is probably the difference. [
          / B]
          Those. around your ...? And the actions are the same ... laughing
          1. Flamberg
            Flamberg 3 August 2020 08: 48 New
            -8
            And the devil only knows. At one of his press conferences, Putin said that many of the problems in the country are due to the legacy of the 90s, because many former bandits came out of the shadows, put on their jackets and sit in power. Probably until we outgrow the consequences of the times of troubles and we will have problems.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 3 August 2020 09: 51 New
              11
              I don't remember about 1917. But 91-93 were taken from everyone, given to their own. What was taken from me? For example, strong and free medicine, which probably is not afraid of any virus. Stability was taken away when you don't know what is with the pension, what is the salary, what is the prices ...
              1. Flamberg
                Flamberg 3 August 2020 10: 11 New
                -10
                And who is to blame for all this? Are not communists by chance? The very ones raised by the world's best education system?
                1. depressant
                  depressant 3 August 2020 11: 51 New
                  16
                  Colleague, do not translate the arrows! Do not unite us with those who are now in the Kremlin, in the government, with those who plunder our bowels, therefore, us, and in every possible way avoid the industrialization of the country. These people were separate from their people until 92 and, by betrayal, seizing full power, they remain so now. And the difference between them and us then and now is that they have always had powers of power, which means the ability to disintegrate the power structures almost entirely, as well as power structures, turning them from a means of protecting the political system into a means of suppressing those dissatisfied with the replacement of socialism with undercapitalism. And so that we forget about the old system, the huge Soviet industry was killed as a source of our memory, and a new, our own, is not created as unnecessary - they are unnecessary. As a source of a working class capable of making just claims to power. At the thought of this, they say in horror, "Holy! Holy!" and throw us handouts, as if we are on the porch, thereby killing our pride and vitality. And now they, disguising their managerial insignificance under the costs of the coronavirus, show their aged - now bald, now tired and flabby, shiny with fat - heads from the screens and tell us what to do to get a ration from their hand and how jump after her if the hand is raised too high ...
                  And even though we were brought up with them, as you say, one of the world's best education systems, but!
                  We are not them. They are not us.
                  1. Flamberg
                    Flamberg 3 August 2020 12: 01 New
                    -15
                    Yes, yes ... An old song and everyone sings it in their own way and tune. But if the system was as good as you describe it, it would not have collapsed so badly. And all attempts to find the extreme from Khrushchev to Zionists are simply ridiculous.
                  2. parusnik
                    parusnik 3 August 2020 13: 32 New
                    10
                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna Kuznetsova.... That's what I noticed, there are people who write about the bloody totalitarian regime, how the revolution devoured its children, etc., but that the current counter-revolution is eating its children ... they do not write about it ... .This is normal... laughing
                2. New
                  New Year day 4 August 2020 23: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Flamberg
                  And who is to blame for all this? Are not communists by chance? The very ones raised by the world's best education system?

                  so Putin is exactly what you noted
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  • SOVIET UNION 2
    SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 43 New
    10
    Some rulers have been promising mountains of gold for 20 years! Why are they in power? Why is nobody talking about the populism of the authorities? Why such protection of the ruling populists?
    1. Flamberg
      Flamberg 3 August 2020 10: 47 New
      -9
      Then another question. Why is this particular balobol better than those in power now? If nothing, then what's the point of changing the awl for soap? Or do you believe that he will begin to turn his words into life?
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 56 New
        +7
        Some of us have been balabolic for 20 years! The result is zero! Another 20 years of faith? Why is it impossible to change the existing balabols? Or is balabol like a life sentence? Can't refuse ?!
        1. Flamberg
          Flamberg 3 August 2020 11: 10 New
          -13
          Let's start with the fact that I didn't say anything like that. Yes, and Putin is a strong leader and firmly holds power in his hands, mind you, I'm not saying good / bad history will judge here. Yes, and it's scary to change it, because in words all are d'artagnans, but what about wearing? The devil only knows ... God forbid, you will have to remember what Putin was a good one.
          1. depressant
            depressant 3 August 2020 15: 50 New
            11
            Well, let's figure out why the counter-revolution ate Platoshkin.
            The final day of voting on the amendments was held on June 1st. In all the previous days, the leaders of all opposition parties were silent, as if they had taken water in their mouths, and Platoshkin actively agitated citizens to go to the polling stations en masse and vote against.
            On June 2, Platoshkin registers the For New Socialism party and thus becomes the only leader of the political party who campaigned against the amendments. That undoubtedly increased his authority among the protest part of the population, and she, this part, is significant. And it can be assumed that the authorities saw in the new party leader, in addition to his extraordinary activity, the ability to unite all left-wing parties into a single bloc, which in the upcoming elections to the Duma could take away the leadership from the United Russia party. Which is tantamount to the president's loss of the fail-safe mechanism "approved". I believe that an analysis of this possibility, taking into account the mood of the electorate and the tendency to further spoil these moods, was made, and the authorities decided on a rude and vulgar isolation of a decent person, as if he were an animal. They say that our imperious muzzle will not crack from spitting, let us sleep and live on, not allowing anyone to change the intended course for reefs. But the party "For New Socialism" is now in intensive care. And this is a small episode from the drama about how the counter-revolution ate, devour and will devour their children.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 3 August 2020 16: 27 New
              +5
              Lyudmila Yakovlevna Kuznetsova.... So the fact of the matter is that it eats everyone and legitimate ones like Khodorkovsky, etc., but they also took on the illegitimate Grudinin, Platoshkin ... "This is such music, such, damn it, eternal youth." ... laughing On someone else's spine, do not open your mouth ..
          2. Alf
            Alf 3 August 2020 19: 53 New
            +7
            Quote: Flamberg
            Yes, and Putin is a strong leader and firmly holds power in his hands,
            laughing
            With a strong leader, and even firmly holding the power in his hands, all those who did not comply with his decrees would fly off their seats the next day and work as loggers and snow blowers.
        2. Flamberg
          Flamberg 7 August 2020 03: 27 New
          -1
          And what questions for me? I already wrote that I was not a lawyer of the current government.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 3 August 2020 07: 26 New
    +4
    outright arbitrariness against Governor Furgala. Chosen by the people who went to protests after, as they sent from Moscow to replace ... Degtyarev.

    Just a fact: the people came out to protest BEFORE sending Degtyarev.
  • AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 3 August 2020 07: 30 New
    -19
    Roman, you were distinguished by impartiality and objectivity, but this article does not correspond to objectivity and is absolutely biased.
    You throw in your thoughts as if you were familiar with all the materials of criminal cases.
    In principle, you denigrate many honest and loyal officers of the investigation and operational work of law enforcement agencies. Who gave you this right?
    You outlined your understanding of Platoshkin's chatter, and how he differs from other "oppositionists".
    He is just a populist, he has not achieved anything in his life, including in the civil service.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 3 August 2020 07: 58 New
      -10
      Quote: AK-74-1
      but this article does not correspond to objectivity and is absolutely biased


      Practically every first article by Skomorokhov is exactly like that, with some exceptions.
    2. Kisa
      Kisa 3 August 2020 08: 35 New
      +5
      Well, would you explain it briefly ??? while he went to Solovyov and Skabeyevly, no one especially perceived him as the propaganda noise created like the rest of the experts, and suddenly they made him a fighter so sharply by 180 ...
      .... about honest law enforcement agencies smiled - if that I'm from the 25th region ...)))
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 3 August 2020 08: 48 New
      13
      Tell me, why is Gozman still walking free in front of a multitude of honest and faithful officers ...? What he has said in recent years, one can not get out of the domestic dungeons. However ... we do not put our own ...?
    4. ban
      ban 3 August 2020 09: 22 New
      15
      "He's just a populist, he has not achieved anything in his life, including in the civil service."
      If anything:
      Head of the Department of International Relations and Diplomacy, Moscow University for the Humanities
      And you? On the salary here?
    5. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 3 August 2020 10: 50 New
      +4
      Can you call realists? Who is the realist? Sobchak? Gudkov? Latynina? Venediktov? Putin? Oreshkin? Who! Name the map? Three, seven, ace?
      1. Paul Siebert
        Paul Siebert 3 August 2020 18: 25 New
        -6
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        Can you call realists? Who is the realist? Sobchak? Gudkov? Latynina? Venediktov? Putin? Oreshkin? Who! Name the map? Three, seven, ace?

        I call it Zakhar Prilepin. Party "For the Truth".
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 4 August 2020 15: 36 New
        -4
        Well, definitely not Platoshkin.
    6. Tank hard
      Tank hard 3 August 2020 11: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: AK-74-1
      He is just a populist, he has not achieved anything in his life, including in the civil service.

      Agree, this is not a reason to go to jail. repeat
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 3 August 2020 07: 35 New
    -14
    Plvtoshkin is simply an unsuccessful investment of someone's money. At first he was interesting, but after a couple of years he began to try on Napoleon's cocked hat. Not the level to organize a normal opposition.
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  • About 2
    About 2 3 August 2020 08: 29 New
    +9
    The guarantor is the founder of this arbitrariness. He is afraid of people like Platoshkin to trembling knees, Grudinin even publicly calling Navalny a clown shows his fear.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 3 August 2020 08: 30 New
    +3
    All the same, our government is being consulted by some poor professionals (Soloviev would have called them the 5th column, but not in this case, because his own).
    Why plant, if it is easier and more effective to ruin your reputation to zero, one will turn out to be a pedophile, the other a necrophile, etc.
    But no, in our country they prefer the old-fashioned way - on trial, thereby accumulating a critical mass, when even a dumb one realizes that some kind of pure devilry is going on in the country.

    It seems to me that these "power advisors" are now working off other people's budgets in order to destroy its power itself. And the latter was too stiff with fat to understand what was happening. They themselves drive themselves into a trap, from which there is no way out, because they do not wait for our officials over the hill.

    It was quite possible to competently destroy any opposition, put in place of Putin and other officials "parsley", which you manage as you want, create the appearance of cleansing your ranks (of course, who is being cleaned by "wild coincidence" will have time to escape to Great Britain), etc.
    But no .. we have everything from the series - on the head or on the bottle. It is stupid and not very professional. They will destroy the country completely.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 3 August 2020 08: 35 New
    +8
    Quote: AK-74-1
    In principle, you denigrate many honest and loyal officers of the investigation and operational work of law enforcement agencies. Who gave you this right?


    The last decades have shown that fewer and fewer people remain true to their duty. If they put us in the head for a glass, they break our hands for a video during the elections, etc. Are you serious?

    Just don't need me la la, from the series that there are honest ones in their ranks, etc. If they are, then why are they silent and allow this?

    Our officers are only in the army, by the way, not to be confused with the commanding staff in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. And then they began to cling to what they have no relation to.
  • U-58
    U-58 3 August 2020 08: 40 New
    +5
    And so them. Right.
    The land of absurdities is becoming a land of lawlessness.
  • Ilshat
    Ilshat 3 August 2020 08: 42 New
    +3
    Excellent article!
    Clearly, to the point, cool written!
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 3 August 2020 08: 49 New
    +3
    "But not outright arbitrariness in relation to the governor of Furgal. Chosen by the people, who went to the protests after being sent from Moscow to replace ... Degtyarev." You are wrong, citizen Skomorokhov, the protests began BEFORE Degtyarev's appointment this time, and the second, were you in Khabarovsk during the protests? No, they weren’t, so how can you draw conclusions on events that you haven’t seen .. and what is pouring from different sides about this is not a starting point for conclusions.
    About Golunov it has already been mixed up and overgrown a thousand times, what else is there to add, no more and more ... in general, write better about tanks and planes, it works better
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 August 2020 08: 52 New
    +5
    It doesn't matter if you're alone, it's worse if you're zero.
    1. Financier
      Financier 3 August 2020 13: 07 New
      20
      good
      I heard a little differently
      Do not be afraid if you are alone. Fear if you are zero.
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  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 3 August 2020 08: 56 New
    +3
    Mayhem ...
    We are sure that they do not leave their own people and do what they want ...
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    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 August 2020 09: 46 New
      +4
      Navalny told a lot of things, but they jail, how is that?
      1. Ham
        Ham 3 August 2020 09: 58 New
        +2
        the option "bulk provocateur working for the special services" is not considered in principle?)))
        smart people have been talking about this for a long time! no one has done more to discredit the "opposition" than bulk, why plant such a valuable shot?))) all the more ololosh always (well, almost always;)) filters the bazaar
        and the platoshkin, to whom the bots in the tyrnet inflated the sails and really imagined himself a "revolutionary" and began to openly call for an uprising on which he got burned, is inadequate
        1. Financier
          Financier 3 August 2020 13: 05 New
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          Quote: Ham
          inadequate platoshkin, to whom the bots in the tyrnet inflated the sails and really imagined himself a "revolutionary"

          He is not a "revolutionary" like an "oppositionist".
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 3 August 2020 10: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Ham
      get upset, losers, find yourself a new sufferer!
      Walk ischo, it's so nice to read your shrill nonsense ...

      Hmmm, your shrill nonsense is unpleasant to read.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 3 August 2020 09: 44 New
    +4
    Strongly spoke directly - who will like it. Demonstration of strength. I listened to him - rude / straightforward - but did not see anything like that ...
  • don-1500
    don-1500 3 August 2020 10: 02 New
    12
    The only thing I want to warn members of the forum, be careful in the comments. A very hot topic for us, blatant injustice and arbitrariness, but for cops such branches are very attractive. Perhaps your comments are carefully re-read for corpus delicti.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 3 August 2020 10: 10 New
    10
    I fully support the author. The arrest of Platoshkin is an indescribable farce. It is scary to assume that against the background of voting for the constitution, the Power was deliberately committing lawlessness. I do not mean that the tsar is good and the boyars are bad, I mean that there are such systemic errors that no one is going to correct. It seems that the goals of BB are noble and the constitution has become even better, but the system works like an unlicensed win. There is no unconditional responsibility among the servants of the people for erroneous, stupid and often illegal decisions. This is perfectly manifested in the absurdity around the pandemic. Small business, no one has ever killed as systematically as our government did, there have never been such massive violations of the constitution by the municipal and federal authorities. Irresponsibility is present at any level of government. Nobody is responsible either for the road that collapsed a year later or for the illegal arrests. Switchmen don't count. Platoshkin is generally an illustrative example. Many did not even know about its existence before these events. Who managed to see extremism in his slightly naian, but emotional speeches? How did the court decide on the arrest without examination? Who will answer?
    1. Financier
      Financier 3 August 2020 13: 02 New
      23
      Quote: avdkrd
      there are such system errors that no one is going to fix

      Under the existing system, it is no longer possible to correct some errors.
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 August 2020 10: 10 New
    11
    Quote: CruorVult
    When there is nothing to object

    Don't talk nonsense laughing
    About depression and state power
    "Twenty years of negative selection, systemic and effective burning of professionals in any field (from electricity, education and medicine to garbage disposal), all-round encouragement of thieves and windbag propagandists did their job: at the first sign of danger, the government, in fact, self-destructed"
    Delyagin
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 3 August 2020 10: 21 New
      -6
      The situation becomes even more "comical" when, in defense of Platoshkin, who talks about the revival of the USSR, you quote the words of the liberal belolentochnik Delyagin.

      Incidentally, his quote can easily be applied to the 80s and what became of it.

      Oh yes, in what place the power suddenly self-destructed, you can take an example, for some reason Seattle comes to mind :-D
  • Clueless
    Clueless 3 August 2020 10: 33 New
    +6
    Quote: don-1500
    The only thing I want to warn members of the forum, be careful in the comments. A very hot topic for us, blatant injustice and arbitrariness, but for cops such branches are very attractive. Perhaps your comments are carefully re-read for corpus delicti.


    Not possible, but re-read. And believe me, most of us are already in their base. Another thing is they are not interested in us, because the audience of this site is small. But as soon as we go to social networks with such speeches, we can thunder. Well, I've lived life, I'm not afraid already, with our ecology and nutrition I still won't live to see retirement :)))
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  • mark_rod
    mark_rod 3 August 2020 11: 49 New
    +2
    I wish Platoshkin steadfastness in his rightful cause. The results of Karaulov's poll just show that 98% of those who voted do not trust the gopniks from the authorities, which is almost 2.2 million people!
  • prior
    prior 3 August 2020 11: 52 New
    +1
    The sun is square over Russia. The court recognized. Apparently ....
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 August 2020 11: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: CruorVult
    Seattle comes to my mind for some reason :-D

    Every nation gets the government it deserves.
  • iouris
    iouris 3 August 2020 12: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: “I would like to live in a beautiful and strong country.” End of quote.
    "I understand your reaction ..." (Michael Gorby)
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 3 August 2020 12: 57 New
    +1
    It seems that he only says a lot of "advertising", it means he needs a lot to "release steam", but if it doesn't work out (you never know what?), It will still lead to the side, but further the bend will be stronger and we will come to the second round. There is nothing to discuss here in general
  • vavilon
    vavilon 3 August 2020 13: 39 New
    +4
    The slave oligarchic system created by Putin where all the resources are siphoned off by a bunch of oligarchs and the people in the majority barely reach from paycheck to paycheck must leave
    And people can no longer endure and do not want them to make it clear that they can not transplant all of them, but they can be.
  • Operator
    Operator 3 August 2020 13: 44 New
    -15
    Commies, liberda, Zionists and compradors: initially twins - brothers (see the statements of Marx and Lenin about the Russians, the financial sponsors of the RSDLP, the leaders of the February Revolution, the national composition of the first SNK and Soviet dissidents).

    A certified tractor driver of a wide profile amerikophil Platoshkin with his wife recruited by the CIA in Houston, just like a combiner, the order bearer Gorbachev under the leadership of Srel balarara Raisa Maksutovna laughing
    1. place
      place 3 August 2020 14: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      Commies, liberda, Zionists and compradors: originally twins - brothers (see the statements of Marx and Lenin about the Russians, the financial sponsors of the RSDLP,

      ------------------------------

      The founders of the Russian Federation, the USSR and the "compradors" - twin brothers?
      I believe that if our society as a whole reaches such a degree of idiocy, it will not have a chance to survive. And this will be very true, since those who shit in the well of their fathers should not have a future. Their destiny is really to be the manure on which other peoples grow, which is happening successfully and quickly right now, and not under Lenin... Someone should open their eyes, for the destruction of society is not a matter of Marx and Lenin, but of that society itself!
  • Yuriy Malyshko
    Yuriy Malyshko 3 August 2020 14: 48 New
    11
    I did not expect to see such an article in Voennoye Obozreniye. Respect to Roman Skomorokhov. For Platoshkin, the truth. No capitalism Russia can pull out on its hump. Only socialism!
  • Yuriy Malyshko
    Yuriy Malyshko 3 August 2020 15: 04 New
    0
    Quote: populist
    then the house arrest trick was invented.

    Do you still believe in a worldwide conspiracy? How old are you?
  • Zheleznyak
    Zheleznyak 3 August 2020 15: 11 New
    -11
    Concerning the material: Platoshkin is a mentally unbalanced person, there is no doubt about that. This is a fact, an educated psychologist / psychiatrist will confirm this to you, only after watching the behavior and content of Platoshkin's statements in front of the camera.
    As for the comments:
    you can argue, make friends and even fight ... but one thing must not be forgotten: to bring up children and grandchildren respect for elders, while not forgetting: the one who sows enmity between us is the enemy of all of us.

    And this is the most important thing today - the one who sows enmity between us is that enemy.
    We all have friends, relatives ... employees, government officials ... and we develop together, we are all responsible for everything. And for what happened and for what will happen.
    Here's for your own:
    Remember, most importantly, under any circumstances: He who sows enmity between us is the enemy. That enemy.
    We, apart from the citizens of Russia, are also Ukrainians, Belarusians and all citizens of the CIS, and between us, this also means - between citizens and the authorities.

    The sign of a bot is to appeal to emotions.
    For example: the GDP is small, the salary is small, there is no money, if there is, it will be stolen, if it is not stolen, it is not used correctly ... because of the increase in the retirement age, they propose to destroy the country ...
    Check comments on the net for these signs, just use common sense.

    Now there is one battle of the spirit, one of the unprecedented battles in the history of mankind. We were lucky to participate in it.

    Believe in yourself and our country, do what you must, take care of your loved ones, help those in trouble, if necessary, also by force - and everything will come together.
    And remember: in any case, the victory will be ours.
    They were the first to start, came to our land of Ukraine with a sword. You know what to do next, repeat to yourself ...

    If you swore an oath - be ready at any time, by order of the Supreme, to fulfill your duty.
    And if you have at least a little time, and you are able, write comments, demoralize the enemy, not sinking to their level, without entering into a discussion with them.

    Remember: Words are the ultimate weapon, otherwise there would be no censorship and prohibited books.

    Words are more weighty if they are backed up by force - this is more or less we have already organized. So go for it.

    To all our good and good luck, the trolls of brigade 77 - diarrhea and my contempt.
    Will live!
  • 123456789
    123456789 3 August 2020 15: 13 New
    +8
    When the Nazis seized the Communists, I was silent: I was not a Communist.
    When they imprisoned the Social Democrats, I was silent: I was not a Social Democrat.
    When they grabbed the union activists, I was silent: I was not a union member. When they came for me, there was no one to intercede for me.
    from the speeches of the German pastor Martin Niemöller, who tried to explain the inaction of German intellectuals and their non-resistance to the Nazis.
    1. Aag
      Aag 6 August 2020 09: 49 New
      0
      Quote: 123456789
      When the Nazis seized the Communists, I was silent: I was not a Communist.
      When they imprisoned the Social Democrats, I was silent: I was not a Social Democrat.
      When they grabbed the union activists, I was silent: I was not a union member. When they came for me, there was no one to intercede for me.
      from the speeches of the German pastor Martin Niemöller, who tried to explain the inaction of German intellectuals and their non-resistance to the Nazis.

      Very timely remark! hi
  • andrew42
    andrew42 3 August 2020 16: 59 New
    +6
    I remember that Lenin in one of his works had the thesis that the bourgeoisie would not surrender power without a fierce armed struggle. And Ilyich, as an organizer of revolutions, knew a lot about his business, has not been surpassed to this day. The story of Platoshkin's arrest fully and completely confirms this thesis. At the slightest suspicion, "Three Fat Men" will spread rot to the potential "Prosper's Gunsmith" to the maximum. Here, a bad tale was recalled, topical. It is obvious to an adult reasonable person that our people cannot live without socialism, under capitalism only a social and ethnic "hospice" awaits us. But, unfortunately, many are under the illusion that they will be able to integrate into the existing anti-system (often because of an enthusiastic youth), and many are content with having a gadget for their last penny. The sane are in the minority. Consolidation and mobilization is needed.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 3 August 2020 17: 01 New
    -6
    I would like to see podpindochnogo Mydoshkin eliminated
  • Nikodim
    Nikodim 3 August 2020 17: 22 New
    +2
    The whole problem of our organs today is that there, in the organs, there is a shortage of people capable of fabricating a more or less decent business.


    Somehow it cut belay
    1. Aag
      Aag 6 August 2020 09: 51 New
      0
      Quote: NIkodim
      The whole problem of our organs today is that there, in the organs, there is a shortage of people capable of fabricating a more or less decent business.


      Somehow it cut belay

      Of course. This is not "the whole" problem.