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"Imagine what we will have if the monument in Katyn is demolished": Polish readers react to the demolition of the monument to Rokossovsky

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"Imagine what we will have if the monument in Katyn is demolished": Polish readers react to the demolition of the monument to Rokossovsky

Local authorities in the Polish city of Legnica confirmed that unknown persons had committed an act of vandalism against the monument to Soviet Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky. Let us remind you that a few days ago news in the Polish media that the statue was stolen from the pedestal, and then they said that it was "the work of metal hunters." However, after a few hours it was reported that the abandoned statue was found nearby - without a head.


The Legnica Police Department says that “an investigation has been started”, “unknown persons are being searched”. For the Polish authorities, such statements have become commonplace, but in recent years none of the vandals have been found and punished. It can be assumed that this is happening due to the fact that the current Polish leadership itself often makes decisions about the dismantling of monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators.

Polish readers reacted differently to the vandalism. Let's present a few comments published in the Polish edition of Wirtualna Polska.

Danny:

Rokossovsky was who he was, without discussion, but the theft and destruction of this monument is a shame. Imagine what we will have if the monument in Katyn is demolished. And of course, unknown criminals will do it. Shame! There was a time for the destruction of monuments 30 years ago, but not now.

Sztyk:

And I am dreading when the "unknown criminals" will remove the memorial plaques at the Katyn cemetery near the wall, and the local police will add the search for vandals to the list of tasks for the next five years ...

Zyleta:

Rokossovsky was one of the symbols of ideology imposed on us by force - we know what kind ... In connection with the above, his monument should not "decorate" any of the streets in the cities of an independent state !!! The monument itself should have been moved a long time ago to some kind of open-air museum of the Polish People's Republic, which will remind us of what happens when the country loses its independence. And in general, it is surprising how many supporters of the communists we have, even from the comments.

ZMIECIO:

That is why many people see Poland today as a wild country, like the people who live here. The blame for this state of affairs lies with the current government, with a vengeful leader who hates the truth.

Hipcio:

How the world will respect everything Polish if we ourselves do not respect it. If today we believe that only the Polish interpretation is true storiesthen this is a sad motto for modern Poland.

The material about vandalism against the monument to Marshal Rokossovsky in the Polish press caused a wide public response. It should be noted that over 300 comments were left for the material in Wirtualna Polska alone. At the same time, the readers' assessment of the event by the act of vandalism is as follows: 159 marks with approval, 348 - with disapproval.
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 2 August 2020 09: 31
    18
    Polish readers react to the demolition of the Rokossovsky monument

    With our (it is not clear what) patience, we can only wait for the Polish authorities at least somehow they will begin to react.
    1. Finches
      Finches 2 August 2020 09: 36
      43
      Poland, of all Slavic peoples, is the most two-faced nation - and they are not particularly guilty, just the age-old habit of groveling in front of the Anglo-Saxons has become natural at the level of genes!
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 2 August 2020 10: 26
        16
        Eugene, you are not entirely right. They have always been like this. They are pans, and everyone else is.
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 2 August 2020 10: 40
          +7
          Strange, cut off and endings, although I used a literary term. Look at the Flood, Sinkevich described their society well from the inside.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 2 August 2020 11: 01
            10
            It can be assumed that ... the current Polish leadership itself often makes decisions about the dismantling of monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators.
            Probably so. And it is noteworthy that this happens during the presidency of Duda - and immediately after his re-election as President of Poland.

            Churchill did not call Poland the "hyena of Europe" for nothing!
            Historian, publicist Igor Shishkin, in a conversation with Andrei Fefelov about the past and future of Poland, also makes extremely very important for Russia similar forecasts regarding Poland, Germany, the United States and Russia regarding the upcoming trends on the way to a new war and peace - and the possible redistribution of state territories and the borders of Poland itself.
            I cannot disagree with Igor Shishkin in this regard, because a lot is becoming clear in the policy of modern Poland from the side of the same Duda, who became the president of Poland for the second time.
            There is no talk and cannot go about any sovereign independence of Poland. It is now a country absolutely dependent on the United States.

            Poland's special place on the map of modern Europe • 18 oct. Oct 2018
          2. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 2 August 2020 12: 31
            +6
            Quote: AlexGa
            Look at the Flood, Sinkevich described their society well from the inside.


            inevitably you will remember what Pilsudski said about his subjects: “Foolishness, absolute foolishness. Where have you seen it - to lead such a people, to suffer with you for twenty years».


            Winston Churchill, "On the meanness of the Poles" (1938)

            The heroic character traits of the Polish people should not force us to turn a blind eye to his recklessness and ingratitude
            - which for several centuries caused him immeasurable suffering.
            - In 1919, it was a country that the Allied victory
            - turned into an independent republic, after many generations of division and slavery
            - making one of the main European powers

            Now, in 1938, due to such a minor issue as Teshin
            - (meaning Tieszyn Silesia, torn off by Poland from Czechoslovakia after the Munich agreement)
            - Poles broke up with all their friends in France, in England and in the USA,
            - friends who returned their common national life
            - and the help they should have needed so soon.

            We saw how now, while a glimpse of the power of Germany fell on them
            - they hastened to seize their share in the plunder and ruin of Czechoslovakia.
            - At the time of the crisis, all doors were closed for the English and French ambassadors.
            “They were not even admitted to the Polish Foreign Minister.”

            It should be considered a mystery and tragedy of European history the fact that this people
            - capable of any heroism, some representatives of which are talented, valiant and charming
            - constantly demonstrates such shortcomings in almost all aspects of his state life.
            - Glory in times of rebellion and grief;
            - infamy and shame in periods of triumph.
            “The bravest of the brave too often have been led by the most infamous of the vile!”

            And yet there have always been two Poland:
            - one fought for the truth,
            - and the other creeped into meanness
            _____________________________
            Winston Churchill, "The Second World War", Vol. 1, M., 1991, p. 147
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 2 August 2020 12: 57
              +4
              In right
              - and the other creeped into meanness

              Based on this, in 1981, in my tablet, there was a map of the route in the direction of Warsaw.
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 2 August 2020 13: 05
                21
                Quote: AlexGa
                Based on this, in 1981, in my tablet, there was a map of the route in the direction of Warsaw.

                Just in case, I'll post a photo of the Tablet. There are many young people on the site, as well as non-serving people. They may not understand so well :)
                1. Alexga
                  Alexga 2 August 2020 13: 09
                  +7
                  Just in case, I'll post a photo of the Tablet. There are many young people on the site, as well as non-serving people. They may not understand so well :)
                  Thanks for correcting me, I somehow missed it. laughing soldier
                2. dedusik
                  dedusik 2 August 2020 14: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED

                  Just in case, I'll post a photo of the Tablet. There are many young people on the site, as well as non-serving people. They may not understand so well :)


                  Most people don't even know what it is with a photo. repeat
                  They will understand more like this
                  1. kulinar
                    kulinar 2 August 2020 19: 22
                    +1
                    In such a tablet, only tactical cards are placed.
                    Perhaps the owner of this device served on the western borders of the Great Union.
                3. georggy
                  georggy 4 August 2020 16: 23
                  0
                  Not a tablet, but a field bag.
                  1. dedusik
                    dedusik 4 August 2020 20: 53
                    0
                    Naturally, this is a field bag, but it is much less capacious than that of the precinct good
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        3. Finches
          Finches 2 August 2020 14: 20
          +2
          I agree with you hi
        4. vovan089
          vovan089 6 August 2020 22: 39
          0
          Not plans, but naked ones ...
      2. Pravodel
        Pravodel 2 August 2020 10: 50
        +4
        This is the history of Poland, starting with the Catholicization and transformation of Poland into a springboard for the expansion of Catholicism, Geyropa on the lands of the Eastern Slavs, and then Russia.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. TANKISTONE
        TANKISTONE 2 August 2020 11: 02
        +8
        Zyablitsev (Evgeniy) Today, 09:36 New

        +1
        Poland, of all Slavic peoples, is the most two-faced nation - and they are not particularly guilty, just the age-old habit of groveling in front of the Anglo-Saxons has become natural at the level of genes!
        No need to judge a nation by its politicians! I worked together with many representatives of the Polish people. In general, the impression is more positive than negative. In every nationality / nationality, there are both worthy representatives who dishonor it.
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 2 August 2020 13: 12
          +4
          159 approve, 348 disapproved.

          No need to judge a nation by its politicians! I worked together with many representatives of the Polish people. In general, the impression is more positive than negative.

          Likewise. There were three Poles in my class, two were normal and one with latent heartburn towards Russians.
        2. kulinar
          kulinar 2 August 2020 19: 28
          +1
          With the Poles, everything is much more complicated than just communication.
          Then you cross the Vasya-Vasya threshold, then not everyone will like their guise.
          Relatives are Poles. Potential.
      5. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 2 August 2020 11: 07
        12
        Quote: Finches
        Poland, of all Slavic peoples, is the most two-faced nation - and they are not particularly guilty, just the age-old habit of groveling in front of the Anglo-Saxons has become natural at the level of genes!

        You are wrong, Eugene. Marshal Konstantin Rokossovsky just refutes this. And so is Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky. Both are Poles. And the comments of individual Poles speak about the adequacy of these people. All families have some freaks. hi
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 2 August 2020 12: 55
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_6
          Everyone in their families has some freaks

          I disagree. In some families, there are more freaks. And it happens that in some and without exception. In addition, the Polish national and state ideology, the entire history of Poland, this eternal Polish arrogance, very much resembles the ideas of German National Socialism. It is not for nothing that Pilsudski (a national hero in Poland) and Hitler were best friends. It was only later, due to their two-faced policy, falling under the roller of war, the Poles declared themselves a "victim". But the Polish arrogance has not gone anywhere. Besides, how can you respect a nation that has no core, all self-respect of which is solely in shrill slogans. For Poland, for more than three hundred years, others decide. First the Swedes, then the Germans, then Napoleon, then the Russians, and then the Germans, the French with the British, again the Germans, again the Russians (Soviet), and finally the Americans. Maybe I missed something, some small periods. An awesome story of an "independent" state. And they are all raving "from can to can."
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 2 August 2020 14: 21
            +4
            Besides, how can you respect the nation ..

            To respect the NATION or not to respect is already Nazism. After all, they were friends at the time of the commonwealth of social. states. Below you can see the representatives of the Polish nation.
            Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky, the father of Russian and Soviet cosmonautics, was from the old Polish noble family of the Tsiolkovsky family.
            Konstantin Ksaveryevich Rokossovsky was born in Warsaw into a family of a Pole and a Belarusian.
            Sergey Vladimirovich Yastrzhembsky, diplomat and assistant to the presidents of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin and B.N. Yeltsin. After his civil service he took up directing and made several documentaries. Sergei's ancestors on his father's side come from a gentry family, which was recognized in the Russian nobility.
            Nikolai Mikhailovich Przhevalsky is the most famous traveler, geographer and naturalist. He was born into the family of a retired lieutenant in the Smolensk region. Przhevalsky on his father's side belonged to the old gentry family of the coat of arms Luk.
            Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky is the son of a small-scale Polish nobleman-gentry, his mother is the daughter of a professor.
            Alexander Green. The real name is Alexander Stepanovich Grinevsky. He is the son of a Polish nobleman and a Russian nurse.
            Vaclav Janovich Dvorzhetsky was born into a family of hereditary Polish noblemen Dworzhetsky. The famous actor, People's Artist of the RSFSR, has played more than 90 roles in films and more than 120 in the theater. He is the father of popular actors Vladislav and Evgeny Dvorzhetsky.
            The list goes on. But you have to do it yourself. hi
            «P. S.» http://slawomirkonopa.ru/%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%B8/
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 2 August 2020 18: 34
              -2
              Quote: Vladimir_6
              To respect the NATION or not to respect is already Nazism.

              That is not necessary, please, tolerant demagoguery. Nazism is hatred of other nations, which has nothing to do with respect, or not respect. And the nation is judged by following the policy of the state, its history, and not by some outstanding representatives. To say that the government is "to blame" for everything, but ordinary people have nothing to do with it, they are like "good", is simply stupid. Every nation has the government it deserves. You can be dissatisfied with the president, parliament (or whatever happens there) for as long as you want, but if you are even a little patriot of your country, directly or indirectly support the policy of the state, then you are responsible for everything that it does. And what Poles are patriots, you still need to look for those. The most typical example is Ukraine. Let you hate Zelensky or Poroshenko a hundred times, but if you are a "Svidomo self-styled", supported the ideas of the Maidan, then do not be surprised that the very definition of "Ukrainian" has acquired a clearly negative connotation in some places.
              1. Vladimir_6
                Vladimir_6 2 August 2020 23: 39
                +3
                Quote: orionvitt
                Here is no need, please, tolerant demagoguery.

                With the same success I can call everything written by you tolerant demagogy.
                But we are with you at the forum, not at the party meeting. Therefore, you can keep the prefaces with you.
                Besides, how can you respect a NATION that has no core, all self-respect of which is solely in shrill slogans.

                Respect, or not respect should not be the NATION, but individual representatives of the NATION.
                If General Vlasov with his army voluntarily surrendered to the Nazis, this does not mean that the Russian NATION is completely traitors. Because in contrast to Vlasov, General Karbyshev, Dmitry Mikhailovich, fought for Russia. Accordingly, each has its own reward. To one the glory and title of a hero, and to the other the stigma of Judas.
                So you cannot speak for the whole Polish, Ukrainian or any other people.
                That's why I sent you a small list of correct Poles.
                You can also draw up a list of famous Ukrainians.
                The most typical example is Ukraine. Let you hate Zelensky or Poroshenko a hundred times, but if you are a "Svidomo self-styled", supported the idea of ​​the Maidan, then do not be surprised that the very definition of "Ukrainian" has acquired in some places, clearly a negative connotation.

                Personally, it did not come from me. I hope that Russia will free the brothers of the Slavs of Ukraine from foreigners who have seized power.
                1. orionvitt
                  orionvitt 3 August 2020 14: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir_6
                  If General Vlasov with his army voluntarily surrendered to the Nazis, this does not mean that the Russian NATION is all traitors

                  Based on your postulates, it means. You have written a whole page above
                  Below you can see the representatives of the Polish nation.
                  Etc. For some reason, you allow yourself to judge the nation, citing the best representatives as an example, and completely ignore the worst ones. I repeat, the nation is judged as a whole, and not by the actions of individual representatives. especially since all the representatives of the Polish nation whom you mentioned and who made a significant contribution to Russian history, in Poland itself, at the very least, were forgotten. I am more worried about the fact that the overwhelming majority of those people who call themselves Ukrainians support the "statehood" that is based on the ideology of Ukrainian nationalism. And he considers it quite normal for himself. And how should we relate to this? Like all good, like they do not know what they are doing, or even better, "they are not like that, the power is like that."
                  1. Vladimir_6
                    Vladimir_6 3 August 2020 16: 05
                    0
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    For some reason, you allow yourself to judge the nation, citing the best representatives as an example, and completely ignore the worst ones.

                    To judge the worst, I leave it up to you. I like to study the life of worthy citizens of any nation more. For it is said in the Scripture: "With what judgment you judge, the same will be measured to you."
                    Again, the nation is judged as a whole, and not by the actions of individual representatives.

                    Everyone decides for himself. I allow myself to judge not the nation, but the best representatives of the nation. This is what my posts are about.
                    I am more worried about the fact that the overwhelming majority of those people who call themselves Ukrainians support the "statehood" that is based on the ideology of Ukrainian nationalism.

                    Where does this data come from? Did you conduct a survey of Ukrainian citizens?
                    The overwhelming majority of young Ukrainian Slavs simply left Ukraine. Some to the East, others to the West. For they learned well the illustrative example of the Odessa House of Trade Unions on May 2, 2014.
                    The individuals who are in power in Ukraine today are representatives of a completely different nationalism. And they are stirring up Ukrainian nationalism just so that the brothers Slavs of Russia and Ukraine (and Belarus too) hate each other. Judging by the comments of individual members of the forum, they partially succeed.
                    "PS" minuses you are not mine. hi
            2. georggy
              georggy 4 August 2020 16: 26
              0
              Yastrzhemskiy Palestinian Pole. It is written on his scoreboard.
      6. xoma58
        xoma58 3 August 2020 08: 50
        -1
        Are Bulgarians better? Russia has no friends, only enemies!
      7. avg
        avg 3 August 2020 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Finches
        Poland, of all Slavic peoples, is the most two-faced nation - and they are not particularly guilty, just the age-old habit of groveling in front of the Anglo-Saxons has become natural at the level of genes!

        - Like the king from the movie-play "An Ordinary Miracle"
        Not guilty! The ancestors are to blame! Great-grandfathers, great-grandmothers, grandchildren, uncles, aunts are different, forefathers, well, and foremothers, yeah.
        In life, they behaved like the last pigs, and now I clean up their past ...
        - Well, parasites, here, one word, excuse for the subtlety, such rudeness of expression, harshness, now to say, parasites, that's all.
        - And I myself am a good-natured person, clever, I love poetry, prose, music, painting, I love fishing. Cats, yes, I love cats.
        But sometimes you throw it out that it just becomes in your soul ...
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 August 2020 10: 56
      -1
      ..... what will happen .... if the Katyn monument is demolished. .....
      it's time to find out, it's time to do it for a long time!
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 2 August 2020 13: 15
        0
        Well, yes, you still propose to jump in pans with an appeal - Pole for g and lyak! stop
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 2 August 2020 13: 50
          +2
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          Well, yes, you still propose to jump in pans with an appeal - Pole for g and lyak! stop

          In that phrase -----
          ......Imagine....
          all their meanness is visible. They themselves know that they deserve it already, they piss on their knees, but they continue to cheat. !!!!!! am am
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 2 August 2020 14: 53
            0
            Yes! But ... we don't have to be the same! hi
    3. seacap
      seacap 2 August 2020 13: 17
      -5
      They will not start, like ours, who do not care about the country and the people, even more so, the main loot, and the monument does not affect the loot
    4. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 2 August 2020 15: 39
      -2
      Not with ours, but with the patience of our kind, white and fluffy people holding power.
    5. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 6 August 2020 12: 37
      0
      Poland is slowly moving towards the fourth section
  2. newcomer
    newcomer 2 August 2020 09: 31
    26
    Goonies, among other things, Rokossovsky is a Pole! _ who freed you idiots from the Nazis! After all, your Lyakh fate was predetermined by the Fritzes.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 2 August 2020 11: 33
      +3
      Poles are divided into varieties among themselves.
      * Shlyakhtichi * these are Poles of the first class - but how else? The whole history of Poland is the ambition of the * gentry * with the obligatory requirement of personal safety.
      I was surprised to face the stratification of Poles in modern Poland. Even more surprise was caused by the desire of those whom their own government considers it necessary to ascribe to themselves * gentry *. And of course, in this regard, at least some kind of security in the negative scenario of history.
      It's just like in Georgia, where they seriously talk about the fact that all the zhoriks without exception are princes-princesses, and in this regard, they are already people of the first grade, which they do not hesitate to say on TV.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 2 August 2020 11: 56
        +1
        That is why both Poles and Gogs have statehood, periodically.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 August 2020 09: 32
    +8
    Maybe "unknowns" should do this?
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 2 August 2020 09: 33
      +1
      They will do it! Remember the Norwegian diplomat?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 2 August 2020 09: 41
        +1
        And it was definitely a Norwegian diplomat, not a Polish one? hi
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 2 August 2020 09: 42
          +1
          Well, maybe with Polish roots. laughing
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 2 August 2020 10: 47
      +4
      Maybe "unknowns" should do this?

      No, in no case should you do this. It is necessary to officially deprive the status of the monument and dismantle it. At the same time, withdraw the confession of the executions of Polish prisoners.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 2 August 2020 10: 58
        -1
        To withdraw recognition, you need to have political will, but this is a problem. It's easier to endure this abomination from the Poles.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 August 2020 11: 17
        +3
        Well, why should we honor the memory of the Poles? From an enemy state at that time?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 2 August 2020 11: 33
          0
          Did I offer something like that somewhere?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 August 2020 11: 38
            +4
            By the way, they clearly position us the occupiers until 17, the enemies until 39, the occupiers until 89, the enemies now. And even his, similar in Katyn, actions in the civilian are not at all ashamed and do not repent.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 2 August 2020 12: 02
              +2
              Well, the only thing is that there are many burial places of Soviet soldiers. If a full-scale "war of monuments" is waged, then they will suffer ... but apparently they will suffer anyway. Probably Russia should just take out those monuments that Poles want to dismantle and install in their own cities, accompanied by a short history. Where did this monument stand, to whom, the number of Soviet soldiers who died on that land, and under what circumstances "moved". What would future generations remember. It will be a little thinner.

              Well, you also need to learn your history. Objectively and not mythologized.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 2 August 2020 12: 05
                +1
                There, different options are possible. The main thing to schoolchildren and students is to truthfully tell what the brothers did before-during-after the war ... what it cost us and what the same brothers are doing and saying now. By the way, the same should be told about the enemies of those years. Italians, Romanians, Germans, Hungarians, Japanese.
  4. Poetry
    Poetry 2 August 2020 09: 38
    13
    Rokossovsky is the most worthy of the Poles. His joints were broken and his teeth knocked out in the dungeons of the NKVD, but he did not dissuade his comrades and himself.
    Honestly, sometimes you want to put a sledgehammer in the trunk and rush to the Smolensk region. Take all their monuments to such and such a Polish mother.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 August 2020 10: 19
      +3
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      sometimes you want to put a sledgehammer in the trunk and rush to the Smolensk region. Take all their monuments to such and such a Polish mother.

      "RUSSIANS DO NOT FIGHT WITH MONUMENTS" (c)
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 2 August 2020 10: 21
        +2
        This is the difference between us and those moral hoopoes.
      2. shubin
        shubin 2 August 2020 10: 22
        +7
        They also fight, but only with their own.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 August 2020 10: 46
          11
          Quote: shubin
          They also fight, but only with their own.

          Eltsyn, Gaidar and K * are not Russians!
          The lurid offspring of watchmakers and jewelers cunningly attached themselves to the Russian people. But, as they were expelled by God, so they remained!
          The inside of the passport cannot be altered: from under the hat all the same the sidepieces are hanging ...
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 2 August 2020 11: 23
            -2
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Eltsyn, Gaidar and K * are not Russians!

            And what about Kirienko, Rotenberg, Abramovich, Ernst, Soloviev, GreF and others? What has changed in 20 years of zeroing?
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 2 August 2020 11: 25
              +1
              Quote: Karabin
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Eltsyn, Gaidar and K * are not Russians!

              And what about Kirienko, Rotenberg, Abramovich, Ernst, Soloviev, GreF and others? What has changed in 20 years of zeroing?

              These are our JEWS! bully
              1. Karabin
                Karabin 2 August 2020 11: 31
                -4
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                These are our JEWS!

                Rather, you are theirs, not yours.
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 2 August 2020 11: 55
            +6
            Honestly, I do not look at nationality if a person gives something good for his country.157 Heroes of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War were Jews and many were awarded this title posthumously. Gaidar had a brother, the complete opposite of him, a military man. participated in the atomic project of the USSR. As we now live, we are to blame. From the above names I am not cold, not hot. I myself think about my life, I do not accept deception. Not a Jew 100%. Many people climbed into power in the collapse of the USSR.
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 2 August 2020 10: 36
        -2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        "RUSSIANS DO NOT FIGHT WITH MONUMENTS" (c)

        However, someone is fighting-
        [media = http: //www.yugopolis.ru/news/v-adlere-snesli-pamyatnik-russkim-soldatam-uchastnikam-kavkazskoj-vojny-128336] repeat
      4. Vladimir_6
        Vladimir_6 2 August 2020 11: 24
        0
        "RUSSIANS DO NOT FIGHT WITH MONUMENTS" (c)

        Here is a BLOODY HELL in Yekaterinburg

        There is no need to fight. But dismantling it would not hurt.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 2 August 2020 13: 11
          +1
          No need to demolish the monuments. Memory, good or bad, is our story. And on the monument to the bloody Yashka, simply make the inscription: "The killer of the Russian people"
          1. Vladimir_6
            Vladimir_6 2 August 2020 20: 01
            0
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            No need to demolish the monuments. Memory, good or bad, is our story.

            To perpetuate our history, a monument to Catherine the Great was erected in its place.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 2 August 2020 09: 40
    +4
    There are normal people who think EVERYWHERE!
    The bad news is that in modern times, it is already considered an abnormality !!!
    Where is THIS WORLD going ????
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 August 2020 11: 06
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      There are normal people who think EVERYWHERE! .....?
      there is something, Victor, hi only somehow the problems become more and more.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 2 August 2020 11: 20
        +1
        And those who are abnormal, want to do for the normality, they do not want / cannot think about the future !!!
        They will twist everything sho, if they succeed, it will collapse on them!
        Nothing happens without consequences. So it was, so it will be.
        By the way, the first consequences are already falling on "them", and then it will be even "more fun!
        Sitting in villas, in bunkers, at bases is not very long, this is until the first wave rolls in. Then after all TSUNAMI can arise, SUDDENLY!
        About us, as it were normal ... but let us all die, crush us, if we do not grow help, support ourselves, we do not educate, DEFENDERS! Yes, it is necessary to unite !!! To survive individually, we have NO chance!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 2 August 2020 13: 31
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          And those who are abnormal, want to do for the normality, they do not want / cannot think about the future !!!
          They will twist everything sho, if they succeed, it will collapse on them!
          Nothing happens without consequences. So it was, so it will be.
          By the way, the first consequences are already falling on "them", and then it will be even "more fun!
          Sitting in villas, in bunkers, at bases is not very long, this is until the first wave rolls in. Then after all TSUNAMI can arise, SUDDENLY! .......!

          In connection with your words, an excerpt of a poem published here long ago.
          It's good how to live without seeing
          Be deaf and blind!
          You can be scared liquid!
          Fascism will sweep away the whole Eurodome!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 August 2020 13: 46
            0
            While the geyrop house is filled with completely different ...
            The likelihood of the emergence of a euro caliphate is not as small as it seems to some.
            Horseradish radish is not sweeter, in short.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 2 August 2020 13: 57
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              While the geyrop house is filled with completely different ...
              The likelihood of the emergence of a euro caliphate is not as small as it seems to some.
              Horseradish radish is not sweeter, in short.

              Not everyone likes this euro-caliphate. There are opponents. Not all Europeans are tolerant!
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 August 2020 15: 16
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid

                Not everyone likes this euro-caliphate. There are opponents. Not all Europeans are tolerant

                And who is not in the arc of the Geyro Caliphate ??? The same nationalists, who are now all together fascists and call names !!! Although there is a difference even among them!
                And the tolerant people wear babskoye and walk in high heels, so the "barmaleevs" were amused!
                In general, there is such a "porridge" not to sip too much, especially the guano.
                I don’t know how anyone, but it doesn’t inspire me at all!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 2 August 2020 15: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: rocket757
                  ......... And who is not in the arc of the Geyro Caliphate ??? The same nationalists, who are now all together fascists and call names !!! Although there is a difference even among them! ......
                  In general, there is such a "porridge" not to sip too much, especially the guano.
                  I don’t know how anyone, but it doesn’t inspire me at all!
                  good + + + + + +
  6. apro
    apro 2 August 2020 09: 42
    -4
    Poles. Just like Czechs, there is nothing to worry about the monuments installed on the territory of Russia. These monuments in the spirit of anti-Sovietism are quite satisfied with the Russian authorities ... and in some ways they even agree.
  7. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 2 August 2020 09: 54
    -5
    And I am dreading when the "unknown criminals" will remove the memorial plaques at the Katyn cemetery near the wall, and the local police will add the search for vandals to the list of tasks for the next five years ...

    Voice in the wilderness
    In connection with the above, his monument should not "decorate" any of the streets in the cities of an independent state !!!

    Such an "independent" that asks, begs to send troops from behind a puddle to their territory ????????
    How the world will respect everything Polish if we ourselves do not respect it. If today we believe that only the Polish interpretation of history is true, then this is a sad motto for modern Poland.

    This is the truth.
    I shake hands with this Pole!
  8. Operator
    Operator 2 August 2020 10: 02
    0
    Relatively recently, at VO, a local Polekophile lit up that cemetery monuments in a particularly religious country of Poland are universally respected - and that's how it happened.

    PS Cemetery monuments to Russian and Soviet citizens in Poland have so far been respected by Poles for a simple reason - there are many cemetery monuments to Polish colonizers on the territory of Little and White Russia.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 2 August 2020 10: 05
    0
    Quote: Finches
    Poland, of all Slavic peoples, is the most two-faced nation - and they are not particularly guilty, just the age-old habit of groveling in front of the Anglo-Saxons has become natural at the level of genes!

    The story is more complex. During the time of Ivan the Terrible, there was an attempt to unite with Russia, but the question of faith did not allow this. During the "troubles" the Poles were promised the throne in Russia. And then the Romanovs "threw" them. The insults remained.
    1. 5-9
      5-9 2 August 2020 11: 54
      0
      What kind of unification in the days of feudalism ??? Countries did not really exist until the 30-year war.
      How the Union ended for the ON ... and for Poland we know ...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 2 August 2020 12: 30
        +1
        How did it end? Conversion to the Rzeczpospolita.
        1. 5-9
          5-9 2 August 2020 14: 11
          +1
          And its subsequent division by neighboring powers ... Due to internal problems of Rzhachi herself, in the first place ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 2 August 2020 21: 37
            +1
            And how much time has passed since the formation of the Commonwealth and before its division? Several generations of people have changed. But, of course, the Poles acted cunningly with the ON. It seems to have created a kind of federation with them, but at the same time they took away large territories that passed into direct Polish subordination.
            1. 5-9
              5-9 3 August 2020 09: 44
              0
              In general, they went past the historical process ... in all countries, from future Spain to future Russia, there was a centralization of power and the absolutization of the monarchy, and they began to play a feudal republic ...
  10. HAM
    HAM 2 August 2020 10: 06
    +4
    Well, who says that Europe is enlightened?Wild people that in Poland, that in the Czech Republic, and even about Ukraine, this is generally neither Europe nor Asia, and so, a misunderstanding ...
  11. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 August 2020 10: 14
    +1
    And so it must be done - to demolish the monuments to the fields, and at their expense to send them to the field, and before that dump them in a heap in the trash! It would be high time to act in one-to-one with respect to these Euro-scoundrels in the fields, Czech Republic, uk-homeland so that these creatures understand, a response is inevitable!
  12. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 2 August 2020 10: 15
    +4
    If it were not for the humpbacked Poles, and now they carried flowers to this monument.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 2 August 2020 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Herman 4223
      If not for the hunchback

      One cannot do this. Gorby had resource and support. And also the approval and indifference of the masses.
  13. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 2 August 2020 10: 23
    -1
    Was it a memorial at the memorial cemetery? The bust that was at the House of Officers not long ago
  14. Constanty
    Constanty 2 August 2020 10: 26
    +5
    A shame!
    Rokossovsky was one of the most talented military commanders, he felt the repression of the communist system and, importantly, he made a significant contribution to the defeat of Germany in World War II.
    Pole by birth, Russian to his liking, and although he treated being sent to Poland as an unpleasant duty, his statue should not be removed!
  15. steelmaker
    steelmaker 2 August 2020 10: 32
    -4
    The authorities must protect and defend the interests of their people and state. And the destruction of monuments is an open disrespect for the people and the state. Putin and Lavrov resign !!
  16. Rostislav
    Rostislav 2 August 2020 10: 37
    +2
    When will Russia stop silently enduring insults?
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 2 August 2020 10: 38
    +5
    "Monument to seven generals", there were six generals - they were General of Infantry Mauritius Gauke, Adjutant General Stas Potocki, Brigadier Generals Josef Novitsky, Stanislav Trembitsky, Tomas Sementkovsky and General Ignacy Blumer. The seventh was Colonel Philip Metishevsky, was opened on November 29, 1841, on the anniversary of the beginning of the November uprising of 1830, on Saxon Square, and in 1894 moved to Dombrowski Square. All of them refused to join the separatists, citing the fact that they could not compromise their honor and break the oath of allegiance to the Russian sovereign. Moreover, earlier they participated in all uprisings against Russia, fought on the side of Napoleon. After the occupation of Warsaw by German troops during World War I, it was dismantled by the Poles in April 1917. For a long time from 1915 to 1917, the German authorities did not allow the destruction of the monument and gave their permission for demolition only after the abdication of Nicholas II. And with the monument to Rokossovsky, you should proceed as follows, transfer to Velikiye Luki, the memorial in Katyn under the bulldozer ...
  18. ZVS
    ZVS 2 August 2020 10: 47
    +6
    First of all, it is necessary to demolish the monument at the site of the Polish Tu-154 crash near Smolensk.
  19. Bolo
    Bolo 2 August 2020 11: 05
    +3
    Still, I liked the thoughts of the Poles about dismantling the false plaques in Katyn ...
  20. Fitter
    Fitter 2 August 2020 11: 28
    0
    It is high time to demolish the "monument" to the pshek in Katyn and asphalt everything.
  21. 5-9
    5-9 2 August 2020 12: 00
    0
    An unworthy and stupid act that first of all testifies to historical complexes, fears and weaknesses ...
    Poland will end badly, as it has more than once over the past 300 years ... This is predetermined by their very behavior and do not demolish monuments, everything is one ...
  22. Karabin
    Karabin 2 August 2020 12: 02
    0
    Quote: apro
    You are an ordinary Russian Nazi ...

    This is an ordinary Meehan, a champion in reincarnation in VO and patriotic slogans to the point and not the place.
  23. Old26
    Old26 2 August 2020 12: 03
    +4
    Quote: Reptiloid
    ..... what will happen .... if the Katyn monument is demolished. .....
    it's time to find out, it's time to do it for a long time!

    Is it worth it to become like all these Polish, Czech and other vandals, demolishing monuments ?? Or find another way?
  24. iouris
    iouris 2 August 2020 12: 07
    +1
    After the shameful mockery of the great Pole General Wojciech Jaruzelski and dancing on the coffins of those killed in the plane crash near Smolensk, the moral bottom has already gone to such a depth that nothing is impossible.
  25. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 2 August 2020 12: 18
    0
    To "fight" the monuments and "execute" them is a vile and shameful deed of scum and cowards. This is what the "gifted" people are doing now in Poland, the USA, the Baltic States and Ukraine. But this deed is approved by both a significant part of the population and the authorities of these countries! In Russia, the attitude towards monuments of both the majority of Russians and the authorities, although not impeccable, is different. The Poles should not be worried, judging the Russians by their compatriots and the authorities!
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer 2 August 2020 12: 56
      0
      Monument to Dzerzhinsky on a square in Moscow for example, or numerous monument to Lenin
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 2 August 2020 14: 34
        0
        Quote: Wanderer Polente
        Monument to Dzerzhinsky on a square in Moscow for example, or numerous monument to Lenin

        You have probably not read my comment carefully. And the "heroes" of the war with monuments secretly in the night - scum and cowards - are everywhere.
        1. Polente the Wanderer
          Polente the Wanderer 2 August 2020 20: 57
          0
          “Already at night, by the light of car searchlights, the giant monument was raised and lowered onto the platform. After that, the“ iron Felix ”was taken to the Crimean embankment, where they threw it all alone as an unnecessary thing.
          Illegal demolition
          It should be noted that from a legal point of view, the removal of the monument to Dzerzhinsky from Lubyanka Square was illegal. The corresponding procedure was clearly spelled out in Soviet legislation, which allowed such actions only with the permission of the union government in each individual case. The demolition was followed by letters from citizens and appeals to the prosecutor's office. Therefore, two months later, in October 1991, the decree on the nose of the monument was approved retroactively. "
  26. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 2 August 2020 12: 54
    -1
    Poles express a common sense about removing memorial plaques at the Katyn cemetery. As they say tit for tat. Why should you constantly endure insults?
    As the Poles say, "The monument itself should have been moved a long time ago."
  27. Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 2 August 2020 13: 01
    +2
    Remove the monument near Smolensk. "Initially, the inscription on the plate in Polish contained the words that the deceased President of Poland Lech Kaczynski flew to the events" dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the Soviet genocide in the Katyn forest over prisoners of war Polish officers. "
  28. seacap
    seacap 2 August 2020 13: 22
    0
    It would be better if they remembered and hammered into themselves that they generally exist on the map only thanks to the goodwill of Russia and its soldiers, several times Russia restored their statehood from oblivion, each time they betrayed it as a token of gratitude, like many others in the south and The Balkans.
    It would be nice for our leaders not to be ashamed of this, but to mention it periodically, to remember a little about national pride, and not to lick one place of the Yankees for 30 years.
  29. Obolensky
    Obolensky 2 August 2020 13: 40
    0
    I have never understood those who are at war with monuments. You might think there are no other problems. This is history. It can be changed for the sake of the current existing government, but the people themselves remember how it was. And don't blot it out, no matter how hard you try. This applies not only to this case, but in general. It is possible to use a variety of ideologies to powder your brains. That is why it is ideology. The people are definitely not to blame for all this. Individuals, yes.
  30. andrew42
    andrew42 2 August 2020 14: 00
    0
    God is not a ruff ... Someday they will wait for a new "Legnica", if they do not want Rokossovsky, then Batu will return :))
  31. Old26
    Old26 2 August 2020 15: 45
    +3
    Quote: Thrifty
    And so it must be done - to demolish the monuments to the fields, and at their expense to send them to the field, and before that dump them in a heap in the trash! It would be high time to act in one-to-one with respect to these Euro-scoundrels in the fields, Czech Republic, uk-homeland so that these creatures understand, a response is inevitable!

    And in what way then will we be better than those Euro-monsters who demolish monuments? Let's be the same vandals as they are. This problem simply cannot be solved with one demolition ...
  32. denk20
    denk20 2 August 2020 15: 45
    0
    It's strange. But the Poles forgot that Rokossovsky was not only Marshal of the Soviet Union, but also Marshal of Poland, 2nd Minister of Defense of the People's Republic of Poland. And the fact that he was a Pole and was born in Warsaw was also forgotten.
    Poles should be proud of Konstantin Konstantinovich no less than we are proud.
  33. Zakharov Alexey
    Zakharov Alexey 2 August 2020 16: 24
    0
    We would be proud of this man-compatriot, one of the key figures in the SECOND WORLD WAR.
  34. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 2 August 2020 17: 56
    -1
    The memorial to Polish murderers and sadists in Katyn must be destroyed at the official level. Open, with online broadcast, bulldozed. No matter what a single reminder remains from the monument to these geeks.
  35. SPQR
    SPQR 2 August 2020 19: 02
    0
    Personally, I am sorry that his monument does not stand on Rokossovsky Avenue in Minsk. The man really was worthy of him.
  36. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 2 August 2020 19: 03
    0
    Rokossovsky is the most Russian "Pole".
  37. xomaNN
    xomaNN 2 August 2020 19: 53
    0
    At school, we studied all the laws of Newtonian mechanics "Action is equal to reaction". Therefore, they do not become like Tolstoy's "terpils," but answer symmetrically! For every Polish dirty trick with monuments to our soldiers, respond with similar actions with Polish monuments in the Russian Federation. By the forces of "unidentified hooligans". wassat
  38. hohol95
    hohol95 2 August 2020 20: 52
    0
    Newspaper All TVER.
    31.07.2020
    Signatures are being collected in the Tver region for the removal of Polish tablets in the Nilova Pustyn
    A collection of signatures for the dismantling of memorial plaques in memory of Polish prisoners of war was organized on the Change.org platform. They were installed at the entrance to the Nilova Pustyn monastery in Ostashkov, Tver region, and inform all those who enter that the walls of the present monastery (formerly the Ostashkov special camp) contained innocent Poles who were killed on the eve of the Great Patriotic War in Kalinin. The organizer of the collection of signatures believes that this is a lie and the version of the execution of the Poles in Kalinin is not confirmed by anything.
  39. frols
    frols 2 August 2020 21: 03
    0
    And here in the very center of Jurmala, almost by the sea, a five-minute walk from Jomas Street and the Dzintari Concert Hall on the territory of a private mansion on Drustu iela Street, a majestic statue of the Russian Tsar Peter I appeared.
  40. starshina78
    starshina78 2 August 2020 21: 36
    0
    If the conversation goes about demolishing the disgrace in Katyn, then I will be the first to demolish it with my sledgehammer and crowbar.
  41. bzbo
    bzbo 3 August 2020 08: 48
    0
    The fourth partition of Poland will be into atoms ...
  42. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 3 August 2020 09: 20
    0
    It is surprising that with such pressure from the Polish elite, consisting of representatives of the capitalist ideology, the citizens of Poland have a point of view different from the state one.
  43. uralant
    uralant 3 August 2020 09: 46
    0
    Quote: orionvitt
    if you are a "Svidomo samostiynik", supported the idea of ​​the Maidan, then do not be surprised that the very definition of "Ukrainian" has taken on a somewhat negative connotation.

    Rather, the definition of "Ukrainian", during the years of Soviet power, acquired a certain positive flavor, but only a putrid disposition, a rotten essence cannot be hidden. No matter how you decorate the rotten fruit, it will rot, so Ukraine has rotted and the definition of "Ukrainian" again acquired its original essence, manifested at the beginning of the last century.
  44. uralant
    uralant 3 August 2020 09: 49
    0
    They don't like monuments! Do you like the center of Warsaw? Do you like Gdansk? What else don't they like?
    1. Solo2503
      Solo2503 3 August 2020 12: 05
      0
      And the current generation of pshek does not even know what Warsaw looked like in January 45, after the liberation of the ruins of the city. However, they do not even know who is to blame for this. Nor do they know who kept Krakow for them. Such a sadness ...
  45. Dedok
    Dedok 3 August 2020 10: 45
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_6

    If General Vlasov with his army voluntarily surrendered to the fascists, this does not mean that the Russian NATION is all traitors


    Have you read about the tragedy of the 2nd Shock Army? Have you been in the woods behind the Meat Forest ???
    Vlasov was put in command of the army when the army had been surrounded for more than one week, but almost two months, without food, ammunition ... There was no order to withdraw ...
    They all died there ...
    Don't believe me? go into the forest near the M-10 road and everything will be clear until now.
  46. Victorio
    Victorio 3 August 2020 11: 00
    0
    since there is no way to protect monuments, they must be taken away, especially from Poland.
  47. wow
    wow 3 August 2020 16: 40
    0
    It is somehow strange to read the comments of some Polish users that "... in an independent state ...", etc. etc. Independent, you are ours !?
  48. zombirusrev
    zombirusrev 3 August 2020 22: 18
    +1
    It is by no means possible to demolish the monument in Katyn, it is necessary to correct the explanatory signs about, adding there the findings of the Burdenko commission with additional explanations that not the conclusions were fully confirmed, but the Poles participated in the unleashing of WW2, with their participation in the partition of Czechoslovakia.
  49. Chest
    Chest 3 August 2020 23: 07
    0
    It is so long time to demolish, and Katyn, and the White Czechs, and other nonsense to the scrap.
  50. loaln
    loaln 4 August 2020 08: 50
    0
    It's high time to stop groveling in front of the Poles. Down with their memory in all directions. We are not on our way with enemies.