Ukrainian factories have made a final decision: the Tirex tank will not be produced

Ukraine refused to create a tank, which was supposedly to surpass the Russian T-14 Armata in its parameters. As it turned out, this technique is more dangerous for itself and its crew than for the enemy. There was confirmation that the Ukrainian factories finally refused to implement the "development" of "Azov" (* an extremist organization banned in Russia).

For the first time information about the project of creating a new Ukrainian tank "Tirex" became known to the general public in 2016, when several Ukrainian media outlets solemnly reported about it.

In Kiev, they said that this "miracle of technology" will change all ideas about tank building, making a real revolution in this industry.

The basis for the new tank was to be the Soviet T-64. Like the Russian Armata, the new tank was supposed to be equipped with an uninhabited turret. They even thought to go further and consider the possibility of creating an unmanned version of this armored vehicle.

As a result, not even a prototype was created, and the project remained on paper. The reason was a whole complex of gross mistakes made in the development of a combat vehicle. At the same time, Azov * continued to assert that the project would be finalized and put into production.

The 39-ton tank was supposed to fire high-powered shells from a 125 mm cannon. At the same time, as it turned out, problems with the stability of this armored vehicle could arise even when firing from a spot, not to mention firing on the move. Simple calculations, as it turns out, showed a possible rupture of the tank barrel when fired again (a short time after the first) in battle. The reason - in the steel grade, which was supposed to be used for high-energy ammunition.

Firing in motion would also lead to excessive loads on the rear of the turret and the transfer of impulse to the ammunition, which could detonate.

The design of the tower also raised questions. If it was hit from behind by a shell, even tangentially, it could come off.

And then in Ukraine they decided that they did not need such a tank yet. Now the Ukrainian factories have put an end to the question of the possible production of "Tirex": the tank will not be produced.

Comments

[Livonetc]

The ruin was not built to create anything, but to destroy.
In particular, original technical ideas and projects in the military-industrial complex.
The West does not need competitors.
We need hawalniks.

[Finches]

"Tirex" - this is not the monster of the Ukrainian tank building, which looks like an inverted feather?

[zenion]

And where are four hundred-watt speakers for quad music. They will participate in the battle without the hopak. The tank still has to, at least a little, but sit down. As far as it is clear, the crew will run after the tank, they will be carried in baby carriages, or they have to push the tank. I thought and understood - the tankers would be midgets.

[tralflot1832]

I remember they had an epic when the crazy ideas of children were extolled as a breakthrough in the development of weapons. The whole Ukraine discussed.

[uralant]

So this little boy "Azov" took to himself as the chief designer, since Kharkov got out of him.

[major147]

Quote: tralflot1832

I remember they had an epic when the crazy ideas of children were extolled as a breakthrough in the development of weapons. The whole Ukraine discussed.

As the saying goes: "All the steam went into the whistle!" (from)

[Atlant-1164]

"In Kiev, they said that this" miracle of technology "will turn all ideas about tank building, making a real revolution in this industry."
-so ... there won't be a movie ?? Is the film out of the studio?)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Atlant-1164

-so ... there won't be a movie ?? Is the film out of the studio?)

Some cartoons from ukraYna soap. And we drove to Putin, de cartoons show .. ...

[halpat]

And then in Ukraine they decided that they did not need such a tank yet. Now the Ukrainian factories have put an end to the question of the possible production of "Tirex": the tank will not be produced.

tse golimaya zrada !!
What is the solution to the problem?
put it in a smitty tank and pour green paint!

"By a simple way"

[zenion]

It's funny to you, but the people were afraid of him. This Tirex chased goats through the gardens. They didn't feed him and he was always hungry. Something reminds me of how Ilya grabbed and dragged the three-headed monster to Kiev and locked it in the basement. I went to the prince and reported. The prince became interested and decided to look at the monster. It’s okay, he said. And what does this animal eat, the prince asked Ilyusha? Exclusively virgins. Prince, sorry for the little animal, because he will die of hunger. So the Tirex threw away his hooves, because they did not feed, and there are no goats in Kiev.

[major147]

Quote: zenion

and there are no goats in Kiev.

In fact, "Maidan Nezalezhnosti" was previously called "Goat Swamp"
This is the tendency, first the goats and their milk from "vna" disappeared, then the pigs with lard .... Who is next?

[Incvizitor]

I looked at the video, they are already discussing there when the columns of Tirexes will go to the Kremlin

[avg]

Quote: Livonetc

The ruin was not built to create anything, but to destroy.
In particular, original technical ideas and projects in the military-industrial complex.

All the same, as I read "the factories refused," so my soul felt better. Otherwise, they could have put Hammer mortars on Tirex. That beast would come out. Yes, I'm ashamed to ask how many factories have refused, a lot, is it really all?

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Yes, throw the dust in your eyes. No one there made any calculations and did not draw anything. From the hand they drew their dreams by force. Incomprehensible discussions of fantasies of incomprehensible persons about tanks.

[Senka naughty]

In vain they refused the development of Rostik Abramov, it was a fatal mistake

[zenion]

Fatalistic superfatal hyperfatal fatalistic error. These tanks are sold in the children's world. Already finished, you only need to increase it 300 times and make it from a very strong plastic. It can then be transported by dogs. This is great. Dogs will cut off enemy infantry from enemy tanks, and those sitting in tanks will throw rakes under the tracks of enemy tanks. They will run into a rake and a rake will kill hostile tanks with a blow to the forehead, breaking them in half.

[svp67]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

.No one there made any calculations and did not draw anything. They drew their dreams by hand.

If in the case of "Tereks", then there were drawings, and computer and, accordingly, calculations, since one of the former designers from the Malyshev plant was behind its development ...

[KCA]

A designer cannot be engaged in the development of a tank, he is the chief designer, but he develops a design bureau, there are much more than 100 people, then a mockup department and a couple of hundred technologists, I don't even talk about the number of workers, and I can't even count all the subcontractors

[svp67]

Quote: KCA

A tank designer cannot be engaged in

So he was not alone, there he still had a "handful" of "young, patriotic enthusiasts"

Quote: KCA

from the layout department and a couple of hundred technologists, I don't even talk about the number of workers, and I can't even count all the subcontractors

This is the whole problem, nobody needs other people's projects ... they would shove their own, but in this case, the alteration of the T-64 tank is quite significant and expensive, the question is, who will pay for all this?

[Observer2014]

Let's be frank. But the "DRAWINGS" are "cool" And who drew them in tanks understands Now it is clear that I will hit the jackpot of "people's love" But this project would be viable. Take these drawings to a really specialist and he will say the same thing.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

No respected, not viable this project, not to cram such a new tank into the old body of the T-64, even if they were recruiting a crew of Lilliputians, the hull both in width and in length would have to be increased, but it would not be t- 64, ask a really specialist, he will confirm!

[Urs]

These drawings are 20 years old, and indeed this is a conceptual development of the Kharkov design bureau, at that time still very cheerful and full of ideas and youthful enthusiasm
There were two options for the Nizhny Tagil "Oryol" and this project, also a very similar project of the plant named after Kirov, there were even rumors that the residents of St. Petersburg and Kharkiv worked in close contact, with one difference the St. Petersburg was with a gas turbine engine and an electric transmission. Well, as we usually do in the first and second versions, everything rested on the MTO engine, in the third version the problem arose with the electric drives required by the criteria we did not have overall capacity, naturally they were not allowed over the hill behind them .With the necessary motors, then the question arose with the engines
with the required dimensions and a power of more than 1500hp, the version with an X-shaped diesel engine was the sweetest, but the work on it, which began in the mid-80s, was very sickly and hard.
I myself saw an engineer using this motor in Chelyabinsk, but this is not the same topic.
So the Ukrainian brothers are again bragging about the past from the USSR, this is not theirs. IT IS OURS.

[halpat]

Quote: KCA

A designer cannot be engaged in the development of a tank, he is the chief designer, but he develops a design bureau, there are much more than 100 people, then a mockup department and a couple of hundred technologists, I don't even talk about the number of workers, and I can't even count all the subcontractors

The 404 can!
Well ... exactly until the moment when you need to show something more substantial than a computer clip and loud, aggressive and stupid statements.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Aha drawings, and the ejector in the unguided tower calculated the same? A picture on a computer is not a blueprint.

[svp67]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Aha drawings, and the ejector in the unguided tower calculated the same?

Are you familiar with the design of the T-64? If so, then you should see what is taken from him as much as possible. I do not exclude that in this tank there was an opportunity, in case of failure of the automation, to move the gunner and commander to the tower. For some reason, you were not surprised by the armored shields around the tower hatch and the ZPU

Quote: Victor Sergeev

A picture on a computer is not a blueprint.

They released a whole video about this project, there is a moment when a part of the drawing is visible on the monitor ...

[Katanikotael]

The fact that from 64 they took the most is understandable, it is not clear how an armored capsule was shoved there for three

[svp67]

Quote: Katanikotael

The fact that from 64 they took the most is understandable, it is not clear how an armored capsule was shoved there for three

Instead of storage tank and battery pack

[Katanikotael]

they do not take up so much space, the capsule in the same T-14 is quite voluminous due to all the equipment inside, but still cramped.

[svp67]

Quote: Katanikotael

they do not take up so much space,.

Yes, just two more crew members can be planted

Quote: Katanikotael

but still closely

In crowded but not mad

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

See the root

[zenion]

Armored capsule - instead of a motor. There three strong Cossacks will drive, and dogs will pull. In the same place, the tracks move on children's bicycle wheels, which means the tank will turn out to be light. The trouble is that when it runs out of ammunition, it can be blown away by the wind, the designer did not think about it. And I thought for a whole second and immediately realized that you need to put a bag of sand on the end of the barrel, and then the volatility will decrease. Then it will be possible to tie him to a gilyak, or to hammer a stake, as for a goat. Let him fly around the stake, the main thing is that he does not run away.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

"in case of failure of automation, the movement of the gunner and commander to the tower."

Forgive me, but did you see this tower? the crew would have to be the size of an inch to move there, and apparently by teleportation, no other way!

[Bad_gr]

The tank in the diagram and the tank in the video are completely different designs. In this (as shown in the diagram) the ammo rack is standard, while the one in the video has the ammo rack behind the turret, etc.
Which one is Terex?

[svp67]

Quote: Bad_gr

The tank in the diagram and the tank in the video are completely different designs.

Yes, it's a fact. There is generally a different project, with a front engine and a turret-mounted MZ ... Maybe different options, as we had with Armata before ... I can't say.
Although .. "Tirex" is in the picture, and in the video is already "Gaydamak"

[loft79]

Quote: svp67

If in the case of "Tereks", then there were drawings, and computer and, accordingly, calculations

Greetings. Why "Correspondingly calculations". You can just simulate 3D, and there + - a centimeter can not be looked at. T-64 and so the tank of "limiting characteristics" there such modernization will not go.

[svp67]

Quote: loft79

T-64 and so the tank of "limiting characteristics" there such modernization will not go.

They changed the chassis there, adding a seventh roller, that is, the "limit" of characteristics became higher

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Maybe in some other project they changed the chassis?
Tirex, it seems, is on the old 6 roller chassis!

[loft79]

Well, that means it's not 64. Then everything must be recounted.

[zenion]

And it can be renamed. He will not know that he is 64, but will think that he is 34, and there was a base for modernization there. Instead of a heavy tower, you can throw a bath tank and go backwards.

[Poetry]

This is what is called: DEGRADATION.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Strange presentation of information.
I try to closely follow the news of BTWT in the world.
About "tirex" ONLY media and reported in due time. Moreover, it was just an information surge. There was no question of mass construction at the PLANTS. And the banned "Azov" only had a workshop in the long-destroyed "atek" plant, which once produced excavators.

[tralflot1832]

By the way, where did this miracle "breakthrough in the world production of infantry fighting vehicles go, which used video cameras from Chinese front doors to apartments for all-round cameras?"

[The leader of the Redskins]

If I am not mistaken, this miracle - a wunder - waffle was seized by the Ministry of Internal Affairs from the specified plant and its trace was lost. Only not an infantry fighting vehicle, but a tank for battles in the city. It seems on the T - 64 chassis.

[tralflot1832]

Clearly Avakov passed on metal.

[zenion]

You read something wrong. A large number of them were made in a week, but even more fled and got to the island, attacked the Americans there. So they threw off a nuclear volcano on the island, it was shown in the movie.

[Thrifty]

Let them begin mass production of the Tirex2 tank, a distinctive feature of which is the use of containers for garbage as the basis of the hull, a kind of tank-transformer

[Eldorado]

Whatever the child would entertain ...

[Olddetractor]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Strange presentation of information.
I try to closely follow the news of BTWT in the world.
About "tirex" ONLY media and reported in due time. Moreover, it was just an information surge. There was no question of mass construction at the PLANTS. And the banned "Azov" only had a workshop in the long-destroyed "atek" plant, which once produced excavators.

It was a media duck

[Dmitry10SPb]

So the discussed article is a duck: "Ukrainian factories have made a decision." How is it. The factories did not receive the corresponding government order and funding for it. But the "factories" themselves do not solve anything like that. No money has been allocated.

[Kerensky]

The opinion of the amateur.
Fencing MBT from scratch is a little guts. Plus "it must be NATO-style" ....
Who does the trunks for sim projects? Tower chase?
Do Malyshevites hammer trunks?
If I were blocking a tank, I would start to whisper 88mm. German trunks. From here I would have danced.

[Clear]

Ukrainian factories have made a final decision: the Tirex tank will not be produced

It turns out that the brains of the leadership of the factories are working, in contrast to the leaders of the country.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Clear

It turns out that the brains of the leadership of the factories are working, in contrast to the leaders of the country.

The fact of the matter is that in Ukraine, not only the mythical "Tirex", but soon nothing at all will be produced. You don't need a lot of brains here. Rather, to ruin everything, they are not needed at all.

[Clear]

Quote: orionvitt

The fact of the matter is that in Ukraine, not only the mythical "Tirex", but soon nothing at all will be produced.

Vitaly, they just have a cool name. Walking, Tirex (Tyrannosaurus) is not established who he was, an active predator or is it a scavenger?

[orionvitt]

If you take the movie, then the tirex was a predator, but zoologists are more inclined to think that it was a scavenger. Let's stick to a scientific point of view.

[zenion]

They won't do anything without me. Only I know how to do it, but I have no interest. Both palms itch, but nemae interest!

[Clear]

Quote: zenion

Both palms itch ...

It happens

[gallop]

Hmm, uninhabited. And why, then, in the "uninhabited" tower in the video at 5.50 do they insert the gunner's sights with foreheads and eyepieces, and at 6.30 am the commander's sight also with a forehead and an eyecup on the eyepiece, then stick the turret rotation mechanism with the turn flywheel handle? Whose eyes will be looking into the scope, whose hands are going to turn the turret rotation wheel? In short, this is some kind of profanity video or just a computer cartoon.

[Karaul73]

The Modeler's Club for Middle School Children has been closed. Contributions paid will not be refunded. Thank you for understanding.

[aszzz888]

As it turned out, this technique is more dangerous for itself and its crew than for the enemy.

"And the third, the bastard shoots his own!" (from)

[Avior]

... There was confirmation that the Ukrainian factories finally refused to implement "development"

No matter how I read the article, I did not find any confirmation that some factories were going to implement, and no confirmation that they refused. What kind of factories, what kind of confirmation?
All the same, VO is a specialized resource, one could write an article more seriously.

[Viktor Sergeev]

The money wasted, plundered, painted a picture, now you can come up with another sawing project.

[awdrgy]

But the name was formidable

[vladimych]

Quote: Senka Naughty

In vain they refused the development of Rostik Abramov, it was a fatal mistake

The faces of the engineers, this is something.

[Sergey Obraztsov]

"Tank weighing 39 tons"
Of course, I am never a specialist, but it seems to me that it is no longer possible to create a combat vehicle with relevant and even more promising protection within a given mass ...

[Zaurbek]

Nobody will make a new tank with the needs for Ukrainian items. The Swedes, Swiss, Finns, Poles showed it. Although there are all the technical possibilities for this. Plus, in Eastern Europe, stocks of different T72 versions have not yet run out (there are also T90 ++ levels). And they will be happy to sell them, for inexpensive, to Ukraine.

[Constanty]

Tirex is a fight.
Ukraine has many real tank designs, developed back in the USSR, which could serve as a starting point for a new generation of tanks. For example, my favorite "Rebel" - vol. 490A, or "Nota".

The problem is that Ukraine has completely lost the ability to build new tanks, even Oplot, so this is a purely academic question.

[5-9]

And someone without a lethal dose of alcohol or drugs in their blood thought otherwise?
But thanks, this shushpanzer amused us well ...

[Incvizitor]

Lived, some gang of sick fascists a tank for the "country" was developing.

[Ruswolf]

Quote: Incvizitor

Lived, some gang of sick fascists a tank for the "country" was developing.

This is not a tank, but a vehicle to the churchyard. In order not to linger in the morgue.

[Pavel57]

You can buy Polish tanks.

[Lara Croft]

In Kiev, they said that this "miracle of technology" will change all ideas about tank building, making a real revolution in this industry.

[Sahalinets]

Hey, what about that fifth-grader Svidomo who invented his own tank? Is it a forest too?

[Fidel]

Wai me! Is that bad ???! But I still thought sho to sleep YOU REKHSAMI usyu Universe))))

[Ovsigovets]

I am a person far from design bureaus and brainy engineers ..... But nevertheless, I was always interested in all kinds of different developments. I noticed long ago that in the capitalist world nothing comes of anything. In the sense that the result is possible only where there is not only KB (brains) but also money (in this context, a lot of money). At the expense of Tirex, I saw loud statements))))) smart faces with rolling eyes and the absence of any funding. Well, in the end, and came out rolling eyes with a meaningful look. Indeed, in fact, at the moment we already have even the embodiment of Ukrainian tank building (so much praised by them as the best MBT) in metal ..... for Thailand and we do not have it in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ....... and as far as I remember it was accompanied with the words DEAR RICH for the APU, we will modernize a dozen T-64s for one tank with these grandmothers ... and if we look at the speed of tank deliveries to Thailand (probably / in fact), then the organizational conclusions suggest that tank building is in a lumpy ass .. ..... but we are actually reading something similar to the obituary of the Ukrainian tank building

[Dzafdet]

Most likely, they could not reproduce the technology for manufacturing tank barrels. And without a barrel, a tank is just a tractor on tracks ...

[blackbird]

"Denying the problem, accepting the problem, resigning to the problem." I'm not surprised that the Ukrainian griefs are crazy, they threw another project of a combat unit. And even if they put it into production, it would be made on the basis of the still existing Soviet tanks. T.K. Painfully familiar appearance of the case.

[petrol cutter]

From grief! ... Trouble, chagrin ...

[Cat]

Manure will produce tanks even without factories. By dendrofecal technology.

[zenion]

If they called him a bicycle raptor, he would fly, like the most common bird that almost ate China. Put two on the pedals, two to spin the impenetrable turret, two to control the barrel, two to the Maxim machine gun and two to twist the steering wheel and so that you can turn. And he can shoot with stone cannonballs, which can still be found along the river banks.

[Uncle Izya]

Yes, nothing will come of them, they ruined everything, there are no frames

[Afotin]

The issue of personnel training is completely resolvable if there is funding and political will. You don't have to go too far for an example. After the Civil War, the situation was much more sad, but the Soviet Union was able to train personnel and industrialize at an accelerated pace. But the country 404 is overlaid with debts over its head and the local government has absolutely no desire to rectify the situation.

[Ruswolf]

When developing, they forgot that this tank is for themselves, not for export. It is to Iraq that they can send armored personnel carriers with cracks.
Metallurgy of Ukraine ordered to live long. Now they do not need to make weapons, but tractors in order to restore the country.

[awg75]

a strange decision ... to produce something that cannot be produced, since there is not the slightest technical possibility ... when there is not the slightest military-technical thought ... and this is in the country of the descendants of the great Sumerians, whose ancestors dug the Black Sea ... To be honest, I refuse to believe it. Categorically))))

[SPQR]

Maybe the weapon was forgotten not only in the picture for the article, but also on the project documentation)))
They realized late that the super tank was left without a gun. Therefore, the project had to be rolled up loosely)))

[Gennady Fomkin]

Resources and brains are dumb ...

[7,62x54]

Wunderwaffle failed ...

[LAUGH]

It is a pity that they did not.

[LAUGH]

And yes.
1) I am a citizen of the Russian Federation;
2) Art. reserve lieutenant.
Why in vain? We have no competition among schools, but here ...

[cat Rusich]

In vain they refused from "Tirex" - how much $ (hryvnia) could spend on its development ... However, "Great construction" has begun in Ukraine, a lot of $ will be spent ("sawn") , then maybe "Tirex" will be remembered when Rostik Abramov "experience" will be gained.

[APASUS]

I'm not an expert on tanks, but I found a dozen of such engineering problems there that it turns out that rabbits should be recruited into the Tirex crew, with such an arrangement.

[tank64rus]

It was clear from the very beginning; it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about production and common sense.

[Ham]

another epic sumerian wunderwolf went to the trash heap ...
but adequate people immediately said that it was a chimera ...

[Afotin]

This is not surprising at all. You can draw and draw anything you want, but without a developed industry in the modern world, nothing technically complex can be produced.

[AleBors]

Are you out of plywood?

[jncnfdybr]

In order to produce something, you need to restore factories. And this requires money. Who will invest the money? The state does not.

[Gregory Charnota]

бгг)) 30 years of Ukrainian absurdity made themselves felt
I think they can't even make a skating rink from such a tank

[Vavan Kharlamov_2]

They make carts from Carpathian pine.

[papas-57]

Thank God you can sleep well.

[demchuk.ig]

I remember they had an epic when the crazy ideas of children were extolled as a breakthrough in the development of weapons. The whole Ukraine discussed.
[i] [/ i] I can imagine how the gray-haired, honored designer felt, listening to the ravings of a 13-year-old patriot. I wonder how many people wanted to roll his chicken neck and hide from this shame?

[Kuzmitsky]

Some of them left the country. I think there are many. And, most likely, the majority of Russian enterprises work who are not yet retired.