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"Listen to India, this is how Rafale fighters are superior to both the Su-35 and the J-20" - Chinese Sohu

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Attention is drawn to the confrontation that flared up with new urgency in the Indian and Chinese media after India received five Rafale fighters. Indian experts say that a "turning point" is now coming in the balance of power in the Ladakh region. For this, it is believed, it is enough to send the planes arriving from France there. In India, they are called generation 4,5 fighters, capable of surpassing the Chinese J-20.


The Chinese press has expressed bewilderment as to why India could suddenly have an advantage over China in the disputed region.

In Chinese Sohu:

All they do is show off their French Raphael. To listen to India, the Rafale surpasses both the Su-35 and the J-20, which are in service with the PLA Air Force. Of course, we must admit that the Rafale is an advanced fighter. But it seems that India does not understand the differences between generations and the capabilities of fighters at all.

In the Chinese press, they write that those who call the Rafale a fighter of the "quasi-fifth" generation should first of all pay attention to its appearance:

Its design concept speaks for itself. This is a typical fourth generation car. The Indian side can arrogantly declare that it is now invincible in the sky, but still it should have studied the capabilities of 4th and 5th generation fighters more closely.

It is also added that if the Rafale fighters are so good for India, why didn't they sign a contract for more than 100 such fighters at once? Recall that the Indian Air Force is going to buy more than 140 new fighters. We have contracted 36 Rafalei. As for the rest - in deep thought. Applicants include the Russian Su-35 and MiG-35.
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  2. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 2 August 2020 08: 13 New
    +5
    To listen to India, the Rafale surpasses both the Su-35 and the J-20, which are in service with the PLA Air Force.

    Let them buy. Will a local release license also be required? Well, "Disco Dancer" to help them!
    I apologize if anyone is offended, but the Indians are straight gypsies, they want everything new and colorful.
    1. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 2 August 2020 09: 30 New
      +8
      Indians are generally warriors from God .. and how they dance and sing! any enemy will dance and sing!)
      1. avg
        avg 3 August 2020 16: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        Indians are generally warriors from God .. and how they dance and sing! any enemy will dance and sing!)

        They also hope that not every pilot will dare to shoot down a fighter jet from Paris itself at a cost of € 218 million. no
  3. Mitroha
    Mitroha 2 August 2020 08: 13 New
    +2
    Every cricket praises his six.
  4. unhappy
    unhappy 2 August 2020 08: 19 New
    +2
    As Arkady Raikin said - "Well, you are all fools!"
    You don't even need to take off, I have the fifth generation - so you lost!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 2 August 2020 08: 28 New
      -2
      Quote: unhappy
      I have the fifth generation - so you lost!

      Duc they have "Bolywood" cooler than "Hollywood" laughing
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 2 August 2020 08: 23 New
    +5
    Yes, let their media bark among themselves better than the military are at war.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 August 2020 08: 23 New
    +3
    Such a number, even of the most super-duper cars, does not, well, decide the outcome of a collision. There are only five of them now! And when will the regiment be recruited? There is no need for the Hindus to pull the Chinese dragon by the mustache. They have a constant and irreconcilable enemy. If they get into a fight with China, they'll get it in the back from Pakistan ...
  7. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 2 August 2020 08: 26 New
    -1
    One gets the impression that they have not yet departed from the war elephants in their minds.
    They grab everything and everything they have "the most"
    1. unhappy
      unhappy 2 August 2020 08: 40 New
      0
      This is the mentality, today I have such a plan, but tomorrow the mood has changed - it means I will change the plan. Instead of a unified sequential scheme for building the armed forces, some kind of throwing. Buying Rafale is really a hapok.
  8. newcomer
    newcomer 2 August 2020 08: 38 New
    +3
    Well, we must somehow justify, in front of our electorate, expensive toys for 220 million apiece. lol
  9. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 2 August 2020 08: 47 New
    +1
    No wonder. this is not much news.
    The Indians praised the Chinese J-20 ...
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 August 2020 08: 48 New
    +1
    A wonderful war in the information field. Better on this than on the battlefield. However, it is a shame to even call it a war. Goreing two hornless, stubborn kids. request
  11. Vita vko
    Vita vko 2 August 2020 08: 53 New
    +6
    In terms of its flight characteristics, including AFAR "Rafal" is inferior even to the F-18. In terms of cost, it is also much more expensive than all known analogues. Thales, on the other hand, is known worldwide for its corrupt and aggressive marketing schemes. Therefore, India, at least, faces another corruption scandal with a sudden generalization of military officials. And as a maximum, the story will repeat itself with the failure of all communication and control systems of the Air Force and possibly air defense at the moment of "H", as it was at the time of the start of Operation Desert Storm. These systems were also supplied to Saddam Hussein by Thales, then it was also called Thomson, because after such a scandal, she was simply forced to change the name so that the defeat of Iraq could not be linked directly to the hardware tabs of the French special services.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 3 August 2020 13: 34 New
      0
      In terms of its flight characteristics, including AFAR "Rafal" is inferior even to the F-18.

      - Will he lie ?!
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-18E/F_Super_Hornet#Specifications_(F/A-18E/F)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Specifications
  12. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 2 August 2020 09: 21 New
    +2
    I have a feeling that the Chinese are not far from the Indians. They actually measure by airplanes according to which generation someone appropriated them.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 3 August 2020 13: 36 New
      0
      - The Chinese, having made the J-20 and J-31, went very far ahead from the RF Air Force. Probably forever ...
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 3 August 2020 18: 08 New
        +1
        It's a pity you can't write what I think about people like you. You are very funny. China has got semi-aircraft with incomprehensible functionality and even more so without engines. But you can continue to admire the figure "5", for you the main thing is not the parameters of the aircraft, but what the Chinese media write about.
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 3 August 2020 22: 48 New
          0
          - No, my funny opponent, I am not at all interested in what you think,
          or what the Chinese write about the J-20, I am very interested in what the Americans write about it. What do they write about China's intention to produce a series of 500 J-20s (300 - with WS-15 engines, max. Thrust 18+ tons). China today is an extremely serious factor, about which the Russian media are adequately "embarrassed" to speak. But this is the main danger to humanity, IMHO. Having in recent years the rate of annual economic development of up to 7%, artificially in many respects restraining these rates, China has long built a scientific and technological base for itself at the highest world level. With trillions of dollars, he can invite scientists and engineers from all over the world, paying them double and triple, and they have long been building in China not only manufacturing enterprises, but also research institutes, laboratories in the most advanced areas of science and technology ... The disaster at the research institute in Wuhan is just one of the signs of a highly developed science in China.
          China not only made TWO stealth aircraft (Russia - none), China serially equips its aircraft with radar with AFAR, EOTS level of American and other avionics (in Russia there are no production aircraft where there would be a radar with AFAR).
          Of course, the Chinese intelligence service is engaged in industrial espionage on an unprecedented scale, on a global scale, as Putin said: "And we are a bogeyman!" - First of all, they steal in the United States, where there is a huge Chinese diaspora. But for a long time already, China itself became a science-producing power and in terms of the mass of technologies, including military ones, it really bypassed Russia.
          Sofa hamsters do not understand this, they find it funny! But in vain ...
          1. Viktor Sergeev
            Viktor Sergeev 4 August 2020 08: 06 New
            0
            Yes, China is a serious factor, the containment of which is entrusted not to aviation, but to ICBMs. Airplanes, at the present stage, are more likely intended to fight the barmaley and small local wars with an obviously weaker enemy. Well, China will do its unhealthy, so what? Will he go with them to the USA or Russia? Here in Taiwan, and the United States will wash itself.
            China equips AFAR you say? And Russia does not bother with this, it is making a new generation of photonic radars and it is betting on them, as a result, it does not want to spend money on a deliberately obsolete innovation. Russia looks to the future, China is chasing the United States, knowingly losing this race, acting as a catch-up.
            1. Outsider
              Outsider 4 August 2020 14: 27 New
              -1
              China equips AFAR you say? And Russia does not bother with this, it is making a new generation of photonic radars and it is betting on them, as a result, it does not want to spend money on an obviously outdated innovation.

              - Do you really believe in these children's fairy tales? That Russia, not being able to make a high-quality serial on-board radar with AFAR, will make a more complex device ?! What, not being able to make a 5th generation plane, can she immediately make a 6th (7th, 8th) plane ?? wink
              Russia can "look into the future" even "to the extent of the carovin's spell" we must not look into the future, we must build it, today, now! China, chasing the United States, is building this future for itself, and very actively. Russia, "looking into the future", does not do anything worthwhile (there is no possibility - personnel, technological chains, money to recreate them), therefore it is hopelessly lagging behind every day ... what
              1. Viktor Sergeev
                Viktor Sergeev 4 August 2020 18: 41 New
                +1
                You absolutely do not know what Russia is capable of. We have AFAR. Are you not bothered by hyper-missiles planning nuclear blocks, air defense? China can only make bad copies, the real competition is the USA-Russia.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 2 August 2020 09: 28 New
    +1
    Discuss WHAT?
    There now all the "frogs" will croak loudly, they have no time for us, that's for sure.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 2 August 2020 09: 48 New
    +2
    The only thing the Indian Rafale surpasses all Chinese aircraft is in price. Everything else is the result of the work of so many services, the work of intelligence, locators, headquarters and pilots. Until they clash in battle, it is impossible to understand how these aircraft give an advantage.
    I think for the same reason China is not eager to fight, you can immediately fail all the export program of the J-20, for one thing and disgrace the whole world.
    Each of these countries are afraid of losing a technological war, not a piece of land, the stakes are very high!
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 2 August 2020 10: 47 New
      0
      Even if India hits J-20, it still needs to be proven. China will admit this only if there is conclusive evidence, for example, the plane crashes in India. The same will happen on the other side. No one canceled the propaganda and the enemy's losses will be overestimated, their own underestimated, in any case we will not recognize the true picture.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 August 2020 21: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Herman 4223
        Even if India hits J-20, it still needs to be proven. China will admit this only if there is conclusive evidence, for example, the plane crashes in India. The same will happen on the other side. No one canceled the propaganda and the enemy's losses will be overestimated, their own underestimated, in any case we will not recognize the true picture.

        With a modern satellite surveillance system, the shot down plane will not have time to fall to the ground, as there will be pictures of who flunked it. And the propaganda has not been canceled, that's for sure
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 2 August 2020 21: 31 New
          0
          I remember during the bombing of Yugoslavia, our people talked about the downed NATO planes. On the first day, like two, then even more. Probably ours really recorded it, but which version dominates the world?
          And not everyone has such satellite observation systems.
  15. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 2 August 2020 10: 44 New
    +1
    And no matter what, the confrontation takes place in the Himalayas, who will rise above the mountains and come out of the radar shadow is no longer a tenant. The one who flies between the mountains will win. I'll bet on the Chinese, they probably have more hours of flight. And the Pakistanis are constantly winding their tails in the air. ...
  16. Sibguest
    Sibguest 2 August 2020 10: 50 New
    +2
    "Listen to India ...."
    To listen to Sokhu - so only the planes that start with "J-" are the best in the world.
    Conclusion: no need to listen to India, no need to listen to the plow.
  17. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 August 2020 11: 21 New
    +1
    ... In India, they are called generation 4,5 fighters, capable of surpassing the Chinese J-20.
    And if you also stick flowers on them, ribbons, tweezers, it will pull 5 ++++++++ wassat
  18. 5-9
    5-9 2 August 2020 11: 38 New
    +1
    Some kind of stupid skirmish, where incompetence and stupidity goes off scale on both sides ... The smartest thing about all is swearing in the last paragraph of this article ...
    And so, both buy 35s (both) and do not quarrel
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 August 2020 12: 01 New
      0
      Quote: 5-9
      incompetence and stupidity is off scale on both sides ...

      It is strange to publish this in the expectation of the opinion of the competent and intelligent from any side. Do not read and do not listen, do not sing, do not write when ...
  19. mvg
    mvg 2 August 2020 14: 04 New
    +4
    To be honest, I can understand sports “news” (very bad, but I can). There is coronavirus, there is no football, there is no tennis, there is a lockout in the NHL, Kokorin has no hand on stools anymore ... etc. Well, in the sense that there is absolutely nothing to write about, so they write all sorts of nonsense from their heads (well, or whatever they come up with there).
    But the military-industrial complex and wars in the World do not stop, the world is still spinning. Why write this Rafali bullshit every day, quoting Sohu or NI? Or F-35, rejoicing in minor failures .. Or for Turkish (American) patrols? Paperwork ... in the worst sense of the word.
    Is it really not enough material? Analytics of the war in Syria: Assad's brother, pro-Iranian forces, Israel's position, what the Kurds want. Algeria's position on Libya, who is Sarraj, who is Khavtar, why do these countries support them?
    More globally: Analyze the war in Korea, Vietnam, the Arab-Israeli conflict. MTR operations. Raise the subject of the Second World War, just to be honest.
    For military space.
    PS: Comparing VO 2012 and 2020, you understand that our authors started a golovovirus long ago. Articles by Sokolov on the one hand and Polonsky and Ryabov, this is heaven and earth. Compare how they wrote about BTT in 2014 and now ... All (expressed hi
  20. Mimino
    Mimino 3 August 2020 08: 00 New
    0
    Hindus are all cunning. It looks like they even outsmarted themselves.
  21. Outsider
    Outsider 3 August 2020 13: 10 New
    +1
    - In fact, "Rafale" (if anyone does not already know), especially with the new radar, is really one of the best 4th generation fighters in the modern world.
  22. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 3 August 2020 19: 59 New
    0
    As for India, I once left my opinion here and ..... they blocked me forever, without warning, although they had stages there! Are there more and more questions about India now? What are you, Admin, India is our sacred !!!!