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A promising 120-mm JAO "Lotos" for the Airborne Forces entered acceptance tests

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A promising 120-mm JAO "Lotos" for the Airborne Forces entered acceptance tests

The newest self-propelled artillery gun "Lotos", developed in the interests of the Airborne Forces, has entered acceptance tests. Reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the DIC.


According to the news agency, the 120-mm CAO has already passed bearer tests and is currently undergoing acceptance tests, during which the military at TsNIItochmash take a sample and give an opinion on its readiness for preliminary tests.

As part of the tests passed, the newest self-propelled gun covered 80 kilometers and fired 14 shots. Of the 57 points of acceptance tests, Lotus still has seven more to carry out, including checking the stoppers, navigation systems, and weighing to determine the combat weight

- said the source.

Recall that a prototype of a 120-mm self-propelled artillery gun was first shown on the move in early June last year. Today, i.e. On August 1, 2020, a dynamic demonstration of the "Lotus" to the public was made at the Alabino training ground (Moscow region) as part of the celebrations dedicated to the 90th anniversary of the Airborne Forces (Airborne Forces).

The newest airborne floating self-propelled artillery gun "Lotos" was created on the BMD-4M chassis and is intended for the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation. Mass - 18 tons, speed - up to 70 km / h, power reserve - at least 500 km. Combat crew - 4 man. The rate of fire - 6-8 shots per minute. Firing range - up to 13 km.

CJSC "Lotos" is designed to replace self-propelled 120-mm self-propelled artillery and mortar units 2-9 Nona and its modifications that are in service with the Airborne Forces.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 August 2020 15: 33 New
    11
    If the accuracy is the same as that of the "Nona", but at this range, a good replacement is obtained. Such a light and powerful mobile artillery support is needed by airmobile troops. And in counter-guerrilla actions, and in a serious mess.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 1 August 2020 15: 49 New
      16
      Why only the Airborne Forces? Marine Corps - Needed too! Nona are in service with the 810 BMP. Chassis for Lotus - BMD 4M - floating! drinks
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 August 2020 16: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Marine Corps - Needed too!

        Controversial.
        Well, no, at the level of battalion artillery instead of 82-mm mortars, it would be cool. But I'm afraid they'll jam

        Do not forget, the cars of this family are actually mortars. Capable of firing expensive specialized projectiles.
        As a result, they are even outperformed by the 2C1 in terms of firing range. At one time, the main one for the Marines.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 16: 42 New
          +7
          Quote: Spade

          But I'm afraid they'll jam.

          Sadly ... Unfortunately, the equipment of the MP is carried out according to the "residual principle".
          It is clear that first you need to increase the number of Marines delivery vehicles. Finally build UDC!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 August 2020 16: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Sadly ... Unfortunately, the equipment of the MP is carried out according to the "residual principle".

            Unfortunately, we have not created an analogue of 2C1.
        2. Alexga
          Alexga 1 August 2020 18: 30 New
          +4
          to the level of battalion artillery instead of 82 mm mortars - it would be cool

          I have a ball mortar battery in the battalion on the "Nons", this is the end of the 80s
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 1 August 2020 18: 32 New
            -1
            Quote: AlexGa
            I have a ball mortar battery in the battalion on the "Nons", this is the end of the 80s

            ?
            Where is it so?
            1. Alexga
              Alexga 1 August 2020 18: 33 New
              +3
              177th Guards Mech Brigade 5 AK
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 1 August 2020 18: 37 New
                0
                In groups of troops?

                Now there are also several mortars with "Veins" and "Hosts", but this has remained at the level of experiments. They save.
                1. Alexga
                  Alexga 1 August 2020 18: 44 New
                  +6
                  No, this is Minsk. It was created in the mid-80s 2 army corps: 48 guards. in Kyakhta on the basis of the 5th Guards TD and 5th Guards. in Minsk on the basis of the 120th guards mdd. In 1990 they returned everything back, at 90 I was replaced from the ZabVO and found an MSB in the composition of three MSR, TR, a mortar battery. and the whole set of individual platoons. Then, under the Paris Treaty, the Nons left for Uzbekistan, and the Rheostats went to the arsenal in Gomel.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 1 August 2020 19: 01 New
                    +1
                    Quote: AlexGa
                    No, this is Minsk.

                    Quote: AlexGa
                    MSB consisting of three MSR, TP, mortar battery. and the whole set of individual platoons.

                    Experiments ...
                    They say that there was a tank brigade in the Belorussian Military District, in which there were "carts" for ALL the military vehicles. Also kind of experimental.

                    Were there mortar platoons in the companies?

                    Quote: AlexGa
                    a Rheostats in the arsenal in Gomel.

                    This is generally cool.
                    For some reason, it is believed that KShMki mortars are not needed at all.
                    1. Alexga
                      Alexga 1 August 2020 19: 15 New
                      +2
                      In KBVO there were 2 tank brigades: 1 and 2, all in 5 AK, and in Domanovo there was a regiment of heavy trailers, when we were ready to enter Poland in 1981, more than 300 trailers from MAZ-537 came to us near Slutsk. ... After the delivery of Nonn, we received a set of battery Vasilkov with KShM for GAZ-66. And now all the mechanized brigades are on Sleds and 2B23 in the SSO units.
        3. Constanty
          Constanty 1 August 2020 21: 29 New
          0
          Mortar mines are usually much cheaper than cannon shells or howitzers.

          If this Lotus has the ability to shoot in MRSI mode, it turned out to be a really good SPG, better than the Polish Cancer, and even the Finnish Nemo
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 3 August 2020 11: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Constanty
            If this Lotus has the ability to shoot in MRSI mode

            ... it's better not to suffer from this foolishness
            For the regime is actually rather advertising. To show the capabilities of the LMS

            By the way, in "MRSI mode" any mortar can shoot. Just take it long.
    2. Ilshat
      Ilshat 1 August 2020 15: 52 New
      -6
      14 shots not enough?
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 1 August 2020 16: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Ilshat
        14 shots?

        belay Hmm ... "Nona" BK had 20 shots, "Lotos" had twice as many.
      2. svp67
        svp67 1 August 2020 16: 27 New
        +6
        Quote: Ilshat
        14 shots not enough?

        She produced as much as it took to solve the firing mission.
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 1 August 2020 16: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: Ilshat
        14 shots not enough?

        Enough.
        This is only "bearer tests", that is, the manufacturer has checked whether the sample is ready for testing by the customer

        70 km is also not particularly adequate for testing.
        But now the military will roll and shoot to the point of complete stupor.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 August 2020 15: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If the accuracy is the same as that of the "Nona", but at this range, a good replacement is obtained.


      SAO "Lotos" is intended to replace the 120-mm self-propelled artillery and mortar installations 2S9 "Nona" and its modifications in service with the Airborne Forces.


      CAO retained the "skill" to fire 120 mm mines as a predecessor, that is, remained an artillery and mortar installation, or is it an exclusively highly specialized 120 mm gun?
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 1 August 2020 16: 13 New
        +9
        Quote: Insurgent
        or is it an exclusively highly specialized 120 mm gun?

        The same all-rounder as the "Nona". The gun is based on 2A51, with modifications, such as a modern MSA. What is characteristic, thanks to the chassis, "Lotus" is faster than its predecessor, and this is with a lower power density.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 1 August 2020 16: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Paranoid50
          The same all-rounder as the "Nona". Gun - based on 2A51

          Thank. The barrel of the gun looks much longer than that of the "Nona" ...
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 1 August 2020 16: 34 New
            +5
            Quote: Insurgent
            The barrel of the gun looks much longer than that of the "Nona" ...

            So yes, and the muzzle brake is present - added a "cannon" component. Of course, there will be new 120 mm BPs of various types, which are not inferior in power to the 152 mm caliber.
            Well, like 2C9, "Lotus" remains "omnivorous" for firing with the help of "alien" BP. And since the 120 mm caliber is very widespread, in which case the gun will not remain without power.
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 16: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Paranoid50

          The same all-rounder as the "Nona". The gun is based on 2A51, with modifications, such as a modern MSA. What is characteristic, thanks to the chassis, "Lotus" is faster than its predecessor, and this is with a lower power density.

          Alexander hi I tried to find information that it is being developed for the MP as well ... I did not find a word, maybe you have some infa? drinks
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 1 August 2020 16: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Hunter 2
            I didn't find a word,

            Greetings, Alex. hi Considering the fact that the base is floating, options are possible. So it’s no stranger to recruiting MP units with materiel according to the leftover principle. Again, there must be an order directly from the Navy, and this installation was originally developed for the Airborne Forces. So, apparently, they still believe that the Gvozdik available to the MP is sufficient, plus the newly created tank units. Again, the 30 units of 2C9 you mentioned have not yet been written off. By the way, here is one of the explanations: MP does not have such a mass scale as a "competing company".
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 1 August 2020 17: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: Paranoid50
              By the way, here is one of the explanations: MP does not have such a mass scale as a "competing company".

              Vasily Filippovich Margelov, Our Firms were never considered "competing", the Marines in those days were not infringed upon in terms of weapons. And in general ... Airborne vests - This is from the Marine Corps! yes Around Us should ... laughing VDV - Prosperity to you, it's just "black envy". Yes ... Happy Holidays to you! drinks
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 1 August 2020 17: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Hunter 2
                Around Us should ...

                Yeah, but at the same time they also began to squeeze the transport. am laughing I am sure that you are aware of the exercises of the Novorossiysk brigade at the World Cup this year.
                Quote: Hunter 2
                The Marines in those days were not infringed in terms of weapons.

                Partly. The same 2C1 "Carnation" snatched, as they say, on the occasion when they did not ask the ground.
          2. garri-lin
            garri-lin 1 August 2020 19: 07 New
            0
            Perhaps the combat compartment will be put on a chassis characteristic of the MP?
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 August 2020 16: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If the accuracy is the same as that of the "Nona", but at this range, a good replacement is obtained.

      In theory, above.
      "Vienna" is a better weapon
    5. Incompetent
      Incompetent 1 August 2020 19: 35 New
      0
      According to Vicki, that Nona has that the lotus has 13 km range
      1. Ilshat
        Ilshat 1 August 2020 20: 10 New
        +1
        The lotus has a longer trunk, I think 13 km is the usual OFS.
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 1 August 2020 15: 35 New
    +5
    Good news, just in time for the day of the Airborne Forces) if only they were not in a hurry with the delivery, the product needs a quality one! By the way, everyone involved in the Airborne Forces with the coming !!!)))
  3. Aag
    Aag 1 August 2020 16: 02 New
    -2
    Not special. Therefore, probably, stupid questions: what to do with such a BZ in the landing force? Why such a near-tank caliber? What is the general field of application?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 August 2020 16: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: AAG
      Why such a near-tank caliber?

      On the contrary, it is insufficient.
      For ground forces at this level, 152 mm is the main caliber.
      1. Aag
        Aag 1 August 2020 21: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: AAG
        Why such a near-tank caliber?

        On the contrary, it is insufficient.
        For ground forces at this level, 152 mm is the main caliber.

        Sorry, somehow they weren't convinced. From the word "absolutely" ...
        Agree, any amphibious operation presupposes some autonomy, self-sufficiency ... Ensuring proper logistics, logistics, combat support is an order of magnitude more difficult than when operating on "your" territory. Let's skip the question of the state of military transport and military vehicles. they do not possess such calibers. The question is why?
  4. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 1 August 2020 16: 13 New
    +1
    Good news for the Airborne Forces, just in time for the day of the Airborne Forces and the premiere of a new self-propelled gun !!!
  5. Pavel57
    Pavel57 1 August 2020 17: 05 New
    0
    The basis as well as ACS Vienna?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 August 2020 18: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Pavel57
      The basis as well as ACS Vienna?

      In fact, yes.
      Only "Vienna" for battalion artillery, "Lotus" for regiment level and above.
      Accordingly, its own nuances.
      "Vienna" feels very good on direct and semi-direct fire. Apparently, "Lotus" is not very good. However, this is not required of him
  6. mvg
    mvg 1 August 2020 17: 46 New
    -10
    Another pseudo-tank. Not a single landing in WWII (airborne) was successful, neither did the USSR (neither France, nor England, nor Germany. And for a successful amphibious assault, complete domination of the sea and air is needed. What do we have from this? Nothing!) Who are we preparing against? Georgia, which will soon join NATO?
    Another cut dough.
    I understand for the MTR to do something ... and this is complete nonsense, and neither an infantry fighting vehicle, nor a tank. These tons can fit a buggy and Javelin heels, with an ammunition capacity of 100 missiles. Which is many times more deadly.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 1 August 2020 18: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: mvg
      Another pseudo-tank

      laughing laughing laughing
      This is an SPG, a Self-Propelled Artillery Cannon.
      Redesignated for use primarily from a closed firing position

      Quote: mvg
      Another cut dough.
      I understand for the MTR to do something ... and this is complete nonsense, and neither an infantry fighting vehicle, nor a tank.

      Gee .....
      I am under the table...

      The 2S42 "Lotus" is a replacement for the outdated 2C9 "Nona".

      Which, oddly enough, is not a tank either.
      1. mvg
        mvg 1 August 2020 19: 46 New
        -6
        Which, oddly enough, is also not a tank at all

        Lopatov, I read all the comments before writing. And that it fires mines, and, possibly, can use NATO ammunition. But you, yak usually try to be smart .. wink Don't, you can't. You will come up with a reason for yourself, I agree with anyone.
        The functionality of this wonder weapon? There will be no landings in the war, they are useless under the dominance of NATO aviation and modern air defense systems. IL-76 will be a mass grave at once. And there will be no amphibious assault forces, we have no advantage in any theater of operations, if only it is dangerous to land at the white bears.
        PS: What is the use of it? winked From your Nona? Support for the landing that is not there? And in the ground forces, there are conventional towed mortars, on a wheeled chassis. Much cheaper. And ATGMs, with any warhead. We shot and retreated. Only in the CA they pay so much attention to amphibious equipment, dozens of types of armored vehicles, only it cannot be shoved even for export. Several factories have been imprisoned for the production of these canned food, so they are loading the capacities of research institutes and related enterprises. It is better to send money to the real needs of the army. Aviation, helicopters, MBT, navy, strategic nuclear forces. This garbage resembles the situation with RTOs, almost ships .. even though I studied on them.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 1 August 2020 20: 06 New
          +4
          Quote: mvg
          The functionality of this wonder weapon?

          This is not a Miracle Weapon, it is a self-propelled artillery piece.

          Quote: mvg
          There will be no landings in the war, they are useless,

          The last "combat" parachute landing took place in northern Iraq in March 2003 173rd "Italian" airborne brigade, 950 people
          If the Georgians managed to block the Roki tunnel, we would have to similarly land paratroopers under Java by parachute.

          Quote: mvg
          And in the ground forces, there are conventional towed mortars, on a wheeled chassis. Much cheaper.

          And yet disposable. That is, in modern combat they will be destroyed after the first fire raid. They will not have time to carry out a counterfire maneuver.
          Cheap. But not at all angry.


          Quote: mvg
          And ATGMs, with any warhead

          You have a pitchfork, why do you need a spoon?
          You really don't understand so much about the issue under discussion?


          Quote: mvg
          We shot and retreated.

          Where to?
          laughing laughing laughing
          Hand face.
          1. mvg
            mvg 1 August 2020 20: 29 New
            -6
            March 2003 173rd "Italian" airborne brigade

            Well, read the history of this brigade .. wink Usually it ended with the fact that either it did not work out or she herself was saved with losses. As in Iraq. At the same time, complete air supremacy and the absence of air defense. Don't try to look dumber than you are, be yourself, that's enough.
            About Georgians with a tunnel. If they hadn't occupied the tunnel earlier than they did, there would have been a LOT of blood. The whole war would have gone differently.
            And yet disposable.

            Come on? What is the difference between mortars on jeeps, from Nona (Lotus)? 2-3 volleys and retreated. Don't exaggerate the counter-battery fight. Even among the Jews, it is not so fine-tuned, and everything must be brought to automaticity.
            PS: I usually don't eat with a pitchfork ... wassat I try to use them for their intended purpose. In the sheepfold, for example. If you have a problem with cutlery, I can send you my grandmother's set by mail. However, without learning how to use ..
            "Send away" - they changed their position ... well, or for lunch, for example ... there it will be clear in time. )
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 1 August 2020 21: 01 New
              +4
              Quote: mvg
              or she herself was saved with losses. As in Iraq

              What ???? You don't have to compose. There was no one to "save" there, and there was nothing.

              Quote: mvg
              Don't try to look stupider than you are, be yourself, that's enough.

              You can call me whatever you want, it won't change the facts.
              Namely, the 173rd Airborne Brigade did land in northern Iraq. Thus, ensuring the uninterrupted supply of the Kurdish troops. For the paratroopers had the task of seizing and holding airfields and ensuring the transfer of troops, ammunition and other supplies. What they have done successfully.

              Quote: mvg
              About Georgians with a tunnel. If they hadn't occupied the tunnel earlier than they did, there would have been a LOT of blood. The whole war would have gone differently.

              Militant dilettantism and ignorance of geography.
              If they could block the tunnel, the paratroopers would have landed near Java to hold the defense, the 19th and 42nd divisions passed through Krestovy and came to Tskhinval not from the north, but from the southeast. Well, most likely, again, the paratroopers would have entered through Abkhazia.
              More blood. The Georgians. For a large territory of Georgia would be involved in hostilities.

              Quote: mvg
              Come on? What is the difference between mortars in jeeps and Nona (Lotus)? 2-3 volleys and retreated.

              Are you confusing anything?
              Normal troops with some Syrian militants or Ukrainian punishers.
              No "and retreated", it is necessary to provide continuous fire impact on the enemy. Otherwise, for each mine not released, you will have to pay with the blood of infantrymen.

              Quote: mvg
              If you have a problem with cutlery, I can send you my grandmother's set by mail

              Of course, send it, you don't use it anyway.
              And you gulp the borscht and stir the tea with the same fork.
              But I know that each cutlery is designed for its own special role.

              And therefore, I am going to produce stationary barrage fire to cut off the infantry with the help of mortars, and to hit individual armored targets with ATGM fire.
              And as I imagine combing fire with the help of ATGM, I feel bad about how much it will cost.
              1. mvg
                mvg 1 August 2020 22: 28 New
                -3
                Namely, the 173rd Airborne Brigade did land in northern Iraq.

                The topic was to come from Turkey. Turkey did not allow it. They had to land from the S-17, and immediately ground forces came out to meet them. Do you really know how to read? So look at the list of operations of this brigade, there are only failures, which, however, is not surprising.
                I repeat again, no air defense, and complete air supremacy. Would international forces need Kurds? There was no more resistance. At the same time, there were a pair of jeeps from heavy weapons.
                Normal troops with some Syrian militants or Ukrainian punishers.

                This is how the Houthis, Palestinians, Hamas fight. Against well-armed regular armies. What is the continuous impact with such ammunition?
                The conflict in Donbas consists of two regular armies. Former Soviet, and current Russian. With the use of quality control department, aviation, MLRS, MBT, air defense, SSO. Do you also think that Debaltsovo, Illovaisk, the airport were organized by miners? On captured weapons? laughing laughing
                The paratroopers would have landed at Java to hold the defense, the 19th and 42nd divisions passed through Krestovy and reached Tskhinval not from the north, but from the southeast.

                The paratroopers would have been crushed, and the Buk'i would have shot down a couple of Il'ov. The operation was developed by a professional military, do you think all fools? I read 2-3 literatures for the Roki tunnel.
                The paratroopers were not needed there, from the word Absolutely.
                I am going to produce fixed barrage fire to cut off the infantry with the help of mortars

                You will decide what Nora is for you ?! Either it is a self-propelled gun, or support for the landing, or is it a normal military operation, where there is a Coalition, Palladins, K-9 Thunder, etc. Helicopters to defeat BTT.
                PS: ATGMs perfectly hit everything from pillboxes to panel houses and firing points. Just single
                1. Orkraider
                  Orkraider 1 August 2020 23: 25 New
                  +1
                  [quote = mvg] [quote]
                  The conflict in Donbas consists of two regular armies. Former Soviet, and current Russian. With the use of quality control department, aviation, MLRS, MBT, air defense, SSO. Do you also think that Debaltsovo, Illovaisk, the airport were organized by miners? On captured weapons? laughing laughing
                  [Quote] [/ quote]

                  Welcome.
                  I will wedge myself into your conversation, excuse me.
                  What two regular armies are you talking about? Where have you seen the Russian unit in the regular composition in Donbas, and not individual people and old equipment?

                  And please, confirm your words about the use of the Russian army in Donbas, aviation. So that you do not deviate from the point, I will clarify: give confirmation of the use of aviation by the miners.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 3 August 2020 11: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: mvg
                  The topic was to come from Turkey. Turkey did not let me in. They had to land from the C-17, and immediately ground forces came out to meet them.

                  What kind?:
                  laughing laughing laughing

                  Quote: mvg
                  This is how the Houthis, Palestinians, Hamas fight.

                  And how much could they do?

                  Quote: mvg
                  The paratroopers would be crushed

                  Of course. laughing laughing laughing
                  There, damn it, the Kudars alone were enough to hold Tskhinvali plus a battalion of peacekeepers.


                  Quote: mvg
                  and Buk'i shot down

                  Beeches?
                  Would South Ossetian army units stand nearby and watch?
                  Java was the rear. The territory was completely controlled by the Kudars.

                  Quote: mvg
                  You will decide what Nora is for you ?! Whether it is an ACS, or support for the landing

                  Hand face.
                  This is SPG FOR support of airborne forces. Fire from a closed firing position.
                  It's pretty simple.

                  Quote: mvg
                  PS: ATGMs perfectly hit everything from pillboxes to panel houses and firing points. Just single

                  laughing laughing laughing

                  Road. On the right and on the left is a forest. Fire combing will force a possible ambush to manifest itself. A mortar battery can do it. ATGM no.
          2. JD1979
            JD1979 2 August 2020 19: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: Spade

            Quote: mvg
            We shot and retreated.

            Where to?

            Hand face.


            Judging by everything by you wink

            No "and retreated", it is necessary to provide continuous fire impact on the enemy. Otherwise, for each mine not released, you will have to pay with the blood of infantrymen.


            Yeah, and every extra mine brings closer the moment when your face will have to catch a response. laughing , although judging by the written, you are no stranger)))

            Militant dilettantism and ignorance of geography.
            If they could block the tunnel, the paratroopers would have landed near Java to hold the defense, the 19th and 42nd divisions passed through Krestovy and came to Tskhinval not from the north, but from the southeast. Well, most likely, again, the paratroopers would have entered through Abkhazia.

            As the President said: if my grandmother had ...

            The last "combat" parachute landing took place in northern Iraq in March 2003, the 173rd "Italian" airborne brigade, 950 people. If the Georgians managed to block the Roki tunnel, we would have to similarly land paratroopers under Java by parachute.

            Dragging General, as always you are preparing for the last war))). I'll open Omerika for you))) I don't know how the stars should converge))) and how many tambourines the shamans should break, so that someone at the top would turn off their brains and he would send transport workers to the enemy's territory, where banal MANPADS and even ZAKs could get them, but the chances these differ from zero by the amount of error))). First of all, this is a type of troops that, given the size of the country, in what time zones ?, can be quickly deployed to the desired location, including by landing method. Airfields capable of receiving the 76th are still not built under every farm))
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 3 August 2020 11: 23 New
              0
              Quote: JD1979
              Yeah, and every extra mine brings closer the moment when your face will have to catch a response.

              Exactly.
              All that is needed is to change the firing position. Making an anti-fire maneuver. Lotus can do it. "Sleigh" - no.
              Moreover, the "Lotos" can be dispersed in the area of ​​firing positions. "Sled" - no, only on one OP.

              Therefore, for the "Lotos" counter-battery is "we will fight", and for "Sanya" "goodbye brothers
              However, to comprehend this simple thought you need a brain, right?

              Quote: JD1979
              I don't know how the stars should converge))) and how many tambourines the shamans should break, so that someone at the top would turn off their brains and he would send transporters to the enemy's territory

              Hand face....
              Damn, this would be worth knowing before showing incompetence.
              There were no "enemies" there.
              laughing
              The territory of the Americans was controlled by Kurdish troops under the wise leadership of the American special forces.
              And in Java, the Kudars led by E. Kokoity

              Just read more and all the silly questions will disappear.


              Quote: JD1979
              Judging by everything by you

              I'm afraid not
              laughing laughing laughing
              1. JD1979
                JD1979 3 August 2020 14: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Exactly.
                All that is needed is to change the firing position. Making an anti-fire maneuver.

                Ahah, you already decide or you:
                Quote: Spade
                No "and retreated", it is necessary to provide continuous fire impact on the enemy. Otherwise, for each mine not released, you will have to pay with the blood of infantrymen.

                or all
                Quote: Spade
                anti-fire maneuver.

                And it smells like an ICD code.

                Quote: Spade
                Hand face....
                Damn, this would be worth knowing before showing incompetence.
                There were no "enemies" there.

                The territory of the Americans was controlled by Kurdish troops under the wise leadership of the American special forces.
                And in Java, the Kudars led by E. Kokoity

                Now really hand-face-table-wall.
                Before showing your incompetence and inability to analyze the text perceived by the visual organs by the brain and interfere with the Americans and the events of 08.08 ...
                I directly wrote that your fantasies about the landing of Russian airborne forces on enemy territory to occupy an unprepared and uncleared territory are pure idiocy. Once again, for those who have been hit by a battery attack - the Airborne Forces in case of aggression - a highly mobile reserve with its own delivery vehicles, which can be deployed within a day or even a few hours even to the other end of the country. ALL. Forget about World War II and American landings.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 3 August 2020 18: 34 New
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                  Quote: JD1979
                  And it smells like an ICD code.

                  It definitely smells like it. And strong. At the F72- F73 level

                  Educational program: if two of the six guns of the battery move, and the rest shoot, the continuity of the fire impact on the enemy is preserved.
                  It's elementary.
                  To make it clear to you: if you are kicked by six people, but two went to wet your throat with beer, and go to continue, this does not mean that they stopped kicking you.

                  Quote: JD1979
                  I directly wrote that your fantasies about the landing of Russian airborne forces on enemy territory to occupy an unprepared and uncleared territory are pure idiocy.

                  laughing
                  And let you show me where these "my fantasies" on this topic are contained. And then I am at a loss whether to consider you a liar, or a person who does not understand what is written at all ...
        2. Ilshat
          Ilshat 1 August 2020 20: 23 New
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          I worked in the defense industry, though for a long time and not for long ...
          Once there was a case - a man developed garbage, I will not go deep, although it was a test bench ...
          And, as it were, improvement immediately suggested itself ...
          I, like - why not do it ?!
          A man to me - so I'm not a ram, I left it for later to show that it's not in vain that I wipe my pants, a pre-planned ratsuha.

          So here it is, it's not clear - why couldn't the barrel be put in a longer one?
          Is that also planned?
  7. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 1 August 2020 18: 14 New
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    Whatever it was, but I understand that it is the Marines in Syria that make up the backbone of the troops on the ground, I have not heard anything about the Airborne Forces
    The Marine Corps needs to go over to the divisions, to form another Division in the Pacific
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 1 August 2020 20: 14 New
    +1
    Is there an ATGM for them?
  9. TSUNAMI 7
    TSUNAMI 7 2 August 2020 00: 02 New
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    Glory to the Airborne Forces and Spetsnaz! Happy Brothers!
  10. sen
    sen 2 August 2020 05: 49 New
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    Israel has a 160-mm muzzle-loading mortar, the mines of which were created using 155-mm shells. For the Airborne Forces, such a system will also be relevant, but with official loading.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 August 2020 09: 36 New
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      I didn't know .... but the topic is interesting. Why not make a 152mm mortar? With a 152mm projectile? Moreover, it is on a tracked chassis.
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 2 August 2020 19: 03 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        I didn't know .... but the topic is interesting. Why not make a 152mm mortar? With a 152mm projectile? Moreover, it is on a tracked chassis.

        Because, in this case, the landing will look like in the exercises of the American army, when the airborne Humvees hit all living things in an area equal to their dimensions)) I doubt that there is a parachute system that can withstand the weight of a self-propelled gun with a 152mm drin and a BC for it.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 August 2020 20: 11 New
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          Well, unmeasured in the landing version
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 2 August 2020 20: 27 New
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            Unmeasured of what?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 2 August 2020 23: 18 New
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              Optional .... damn T9
  11. Rostislav
    Rostislav 2 August 2020 07: 17 New
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    Nona is a very successful platform. And "Lotus" should become even better.