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Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to receive BTR-4 armored personnel carriers made of low-quality steel

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Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to receive BTR-4 armored personnel carriers made of low-quality steel

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) received four more BTR-4E armored personnel carriers under an overdue contract. The equipment was manufactured and transferred by the Kharkov Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau (KMDB).


As stated in "Ukroboronprom", the BTR-4E delivered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the penultimate batch manufactured under an overdue contract for 45 armored personnel carriers. The last batch of 4 BTR-4s is planned to be handed over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in August. In the future, the KMDB will be engaged in the production of the BTR-4 for the National Guard already under another contract, but also overdue.

Thus, according to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the military has already received 41 armored personnel carriers BTR-4 under the 2016 contract. The new armored personnel carriers will enter service with the 92nd separate mechanized brigade named after Koshevoy Ataman Ivan Sirko, which was supposed to completely switch to the BTR-4 a few years ago.

Let us remind you that earlier a scandal broke out in Ukraine concerning the production of the "newest" armored personnel carriers BTR-4E. As it turned out, the Kharkiv KBM purchased steel that did not correspond to a number of parameters for the creation of armored vehicles. As a result, it turned out that instead of Ukrainian-made steel for the creation of the BTR-4E, foreign steel was purchased according to a very intricate scheme. During the proceedings, it was established that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish company - "gasket".

After some time, it turned out that the subcontractor represented by the Lozovsky factory failed the order, having produced, instead of 48 armored personnel carriers, less than half - 20 units.

At the end of 2019, Ukroboronprom resumed work under this contract, however, in January 2020, a new scandal erupted: Lozovsky Forging and Mechanical Plant LLC supplied the first three armored hulls for the BTR-4E of a new batch to KMDB. All armored hulls came with defects - cracks and poor-quality welding were found on them. All new hulls were made using Ukrainian steel grade "71", which does not correspond to a number of parameters for the manufacture of armored hulls, but they were accepted by the 85th military representation of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

There were no reports that low-quality steel for the armored hulls of the BTR-4E was replaced with some other, more suitable one. Thus, it can be stated that the production of armored personnel carriers is still carried out from low-quality steel.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 August 2020 12: 46 New
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    Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to receive BTR-4 armored personnel carriers made of low-quality steel
    Yes, so that in general they were molded from cardboard there!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 August 2020 12: 50 New
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      Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to receive BTR-4 armored personnel carriers made of low-quality steel

      At the end of 2019, Ukroboronprom resumed work under this contract, however, in January 2020, a new scandal erupted: Lozovsky Forging and Mechanical Plant LLC supplied the first three armored hulls for the BTR-4E of a new batch to KMDB. All armored hulls came with defects - cracks and poor-quality welding were found on them. All new hulls were made using Ukrainian steel grade "71", which does not correspond to a number of parameters for the manufacture of armored hulls, but they were accepted by the 85th military representation of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine


      Everything is exactly according to the same scenario of late 2013, early 2014, when Iraq (!!!) refused a batch of armored personnel carriers with armored hulls with similar defects (marriage).

      42 armored vehicles that Ukraine sold to Iraq last year have returned to their homeland. Baghdad refused the goods, allegedly because cracks were found in the hulls of the armored vehicles. They did not even unload military equipment from the ship - they immediately sent it back. Now the dry cargo ship with armored vehicles on board is moored in a specialized port near Nikolaev.
      BTR-4 were produced in Kharkov. They were developed in the design bureau. Morozov, and collected (according to official information) at the plant. Malyshev in the early 2000s.

      https://kp.ua/life/432868-yrak-vernul-brakovannye-kharkovskye-btry








      1. Vicontas
        Vicontas 1 August 2020 19: 26 New
        0
        As the rules say - "The rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves."
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 1 August 2020 14: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: aszzz888
      Yes, so that in general they were molded from cardboard there!

      Well, that's too much. They have a lot of boiler iron, steam locomotives, boiler houses of sold-out enterprises ... not to mention pots. laughing
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 1 August 2020 15: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        not to mention the pans.

        But what ... enamel winked
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 1 August 2020 16: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: Terenin
          But what ... enamel

          Apparently - impenetrable. laughing
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 2 August 2020 13: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Well this is too much

        To buy steel, for some 20 buildings, and then you need to come up with a scheme. Here is a broth. Get out. laughing This is the whole of Ukraine.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 1 August 2020 16: 43 New
      +1
      Not cardboard, but composite materials. So more modern
  2. Well
    Well done 1 August 2020 12: 47 New
    +2
    under an overdue contract.

    Keyword "overdue". It remains to plow on them the square (?) Black soil.
  3. Pivot
    Pivot 1 August 2020 12: 49 New
    +8
    What an army, such and armored personnel carriers.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 1 August 2020 12: 56 New
    +4
    Everything is stolen before us! No wonder!
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 August 2020 13: 08 New
    -11
    Fu, how beautiful it is!
    Gentlemen, Radactors! Slides down to the level of the "tabloids"?
    This news was announced YESTERDAY. And, moreover, without speculation about the cracks and the quality of the armor.
    And the listed shortcomings were also mentioned, at one time, thanks to the Ukrainian media.
    This is me for the one who gives information more honestly and confesses his sins ...
    And in Ukraine, armored vehicles "Varta" began to enter the armament of the MTR, at the Lviv aircraft repair plant they repaired, modernized and handed over to the Air Force a MiG29 fighter, they are testing a unified smoke bomb ... There is a lot of news about Dill! Don't even think about it!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 1 August 2020 13: 21 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Fu, how beautiful it is!
      Gentlemen, Radactors! Slides down to the level of the "tabloids"?
      This news was announced YESTERDAY. And, moreover, without speculation about the cracks and the quality of the armor.

      Editors are, of course, also those editors lol , but what in this case there may be claims to them, due to the fact that censorship was introduced in / on the Outskirts to "clean up" information "casting a shadow on the army" ...

      Are you sure that, for example, "Censor.Net" will somehow be critical of the quality of these armored personnel carriers belay , and in general about the problems of "Ukroboronprom"? It's not patrician wassat

      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 1 August 2020 13: 24 New
        -14
        I don't read the "censornet" trash heap. I use more specialized sites and contact my colleagues in Ukraine.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 1 August 2020 13: 27 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I don't read the "censornet" trash heap. I use more specialized sites and contact my colleagues in Ukraine.

          On the outskirts yes , and if your colleagues В, then one can only sympathize with them, because the majority of Ukrainians, the Maidan Skakuas-Bandera minority, В .yes

          And the point is, in general, not in the submission of information by these or those resources, but in the general state of the absence of the Outskirts ...
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 1 August 2020 13: 32 New
            -17
            Sorry, but it seems to me that literature is not reflected in any way at the professional TECHNICAL level. My father, in his old age, mentioned that it is probably more correct to say V. I do not argue with him.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 1 August 2020 13: 39 New
              +6
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              My father, in his old age, mentioned that it is probably more correct to say V. I do not argue with him.

              You do the right thing, do not argue, because old people sometimes become vulnerable like children ...

              Let it be for him "В" yes, in spite of everything ...
            2. Terenin
              Terenin 1 August 2020 15: 28 New
              +8
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              My father, in his old age, mentioned that it is probably more correct to say V.

              It is strange that an old man would say so.
              After all, from the old days in the literary languages ​​(Russian and Ukrainian) it is written - "TO Ukraine".
              Only in 1993 in Ukraine the spelling "To Ukraine" was adopted by law! Especially even earlier
  6. Eldorado
    Eldorado 1 August 2020 13: 08 New
    +2
    And why are they not made from cardboard and plasticine at once ?!
  7. +5
    +5 1 August 2020 13: 10 New
    +2
    And where will the cracks go? What are the prerequisites for this? Yes, no.
    Kaka is not enough, and the armored personnel carrier ...
  8. Free wind
    Free wind 1 August 2020 13: 11 New
    +1
    Steel 71 does not seem to exist in nature. Although I have come across such markings. But according to guests, there is no such steel. There are steel standardized according to GOST 71 years. No matter what steel the hull is made of, not a single armored personnel carrier will withstand a hit from an RPG, just as a shot from a cannon. I don't care what happens there.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 August 2020 13: 29 New
      -10
      It has existed since Soviet times ...
      Here's one copied for you:
      For the towers and other cast units of all other medium and heavy tanks, medium hardness armor of 66L grades was used for small parts, 74L and 75JI for the towers of heavy tanks.
      For light vehicles, if I'm not mistaken, 71K steel is used. Rolled.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 1 August 2020 19: 05 New
        +3
        The first digit in the marking is the carbon content in the alloy, in this case 0,71%, and it can be difficult to maintain an exact percentage of a little more or less, then there are alloying additives, K, most likely silicon. So this is steel with a high carbon content, it must be very hard, and it will really be badly cooked, and it can crack.
        1. Ilshat
          Ilshat 1 August 2020 21: 34 New
          +1
          Carbon 70 are springs.
          71 is not a standard designation.
  9. knn54
    knn54 1 August 2020 13: 24 New
    +1
    - brigade named after koshevoy chieftain Ivan Sirko
    Such a Person is dishonored.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 1 August 2020 15: 38 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      - brigade named after koshevoy chieftain Ivan Sirko
      Such a Person is dishonored.

      Judging by the legends, Sirko brought a dream to the whole of Ukraine as if it were enemies crying
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 1 August 2020 13: 32 New
    +1
    And what remains to say "responsible and honest ukroSMI"? But the separatists and saboteurs did their best! Surely it will ride!
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 1 August 2020 13: 43 New
    +1
    I did not understand. In Ukraine, military acceptance is only for the acceptance of a finished product, they cannot find a marriage before. Then okay, let it continue like this.
  12. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 1 August 2020 13: 44 New
    +1
    It doesn't matter of what quality the APC's armored personnel carriers will be burned in Donbas ... so at least the "orphans" will save on steel ...
  13. Liss Nikita
    Liss Nikita 1 August 2020 13: 58 New
    0
    Not surprising! In this country - "misunderstandings", everything is done through the anus.
  14. Zoomlion
    Zoomlion 1 August 2020 14: 03 New
    +1
    The welding was of poor quality, so they used the usual SV08G2S welding wire (roughly speaking for an ordinary swindler). They themselves admitted this
    1. Ilshat
      Ilshat 1 August 2020 21: 37 New
      0
      Cracks not only at the seams, not even near ...
      1. Zoomlion
        Zoomlion 2 August 2020 21: 48 New
        0
        This is understandable. I know about the seams. They also cracked
  15. mag nit
    mag nit 1 August 2020 14: 03 New
    0
    Finnish steel is of poor quality, but Ukrainian steel is of high quality?
  16. Alexander X
    Alexander X 1 August 2020 15: 29 New
    0
    Well, let it ... These are 404 problems ...
  17. WingCat
    WingCat 1 August 2020 15: 49 New
    -1
    I don’t know, I’m sorry that the most powerful defense industry complex was created when the whole big country was destroyed into dust. For the grandfathers who built all this. It's sad. Thank you Gorby what else to say.
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 1 August 2020 17: 02 New
    -1
    So what? The main thing for any Ukrainian is to steal more and get away in time. Poroshenko stole, Zeroshenko steals.
  19. iouris
    iouris 1 August 2020 20: 00 New
    -1
    What can you suggest: to replace low-quality steel with high-quality plastic? The same is my criticism.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 1 August 2020 23: 38 New
    0
    Look what system is built! Recycles any politicians, prosecutors and new presidents. The government seems to be new, but it makes money on the lives of citizens, all according to the old worked out scheme, in both
  21. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 2 August 2020 07: 37 New
    0
    I beg you, do not offend the boiler iron - it still served near Odessa in 1941 on "tanks" NI-1 !!!
  22. wow
    wow 2 August 2020 14: 21 New
    0
    Steel, steel, steel .... Let at least the holes on their roads fall asleep, miserable ....!