Chinese press: Rafale fighters are superior to Su-30MKI, but will be very difficult to counter the J-20

The Chinese edition of the Global Times published an article by military expert Zhang Xuifeng, who decided to assess the combat power of the French Rafale fighters received by India. According to the Chinese expert, in comparison with the J-20 fighters of the PLA Air Force, the Rafale fighters have a significant drawback - "they have no implemented stealth technology."

From the material in the Chinese media:

Rafale surpasses the Su-30MKI in some characteristics, but in any case, both of these aircraft belong to the 4th generation (the third according to the Chinese classification - approx. "VO"). If we compare the "Rafale" with the same Su-30MKI exactly by generations, then it has been advanced by about a quarter of a generation. But this does not give any significant changes.

Let us remind you that on July 29, India received 5 Rafale fighters. From France, they flew to the Ambala airbase of the Indian Air Force.

Zhang Xufeng:

Thanks to its AFAR radar, modern arms and the limited stealth technology of the Rafale, it is comparable to the aircraft of its generation used in India and other countries, but it will be very difficult for it to counter the fifth generation fighters with advanced stealth technology - the J-20.

In India, they could not help but respond to such a publication in the Chinese press. In particular, it is noted that some time ago, the Su-30MKI fighter discovered Chinese J-20s "with their vaunted stealth system."

Footage of the landing of Rafal fighters at Indian Air Force Base Ambala:

Comments

[Observer2014]

Chinese press: Rafale fighters are superior to Su-30MKI, but will be very difficult to counter the J-20

Thank you. We have heard the Chinese press.
By the way, io birds. We arranged with the Chinese well, there, like the Americans with the Indians there. And even in the 90s, our flight training battles with the Americans? Who vkurse. It would be interesting to read the impression of our pilots.

[rocket757]

Again they measure hotter in meters and praise their elastic comparing it with the rest of the salty.
NOBODY PROVED ANYTHING !!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: rocket757

NOBODY PROVED ANYTHING !!!

Only Chinese and Indian experts can compare a twin-engine fighter with a single-engine one.
And as for their J20, ... it's a miracle of the Chinese aircraft industry, which, by the way, has Russian roots, has not fought anywhere. Well, on the bill, who is cooler ... so you can write in Chinese on the SU-30, so that it would be clear to both the Chinese (and possibly the Japanese) and the Russians ...

[rocket757]

There are enough experts.
This is the reality, not many people are eager to work, but to assess it right away.

[Charik]

I looked at it for a long time and realized, GET AWAY written

[Allex]

The J20 also has a small engine resource.

[Gado]

Is it "Rafale", is it a single engine? Well, well, I didn't expect from you.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Gado

Is it "Rafale", is it a single engine? Well, well, I didn't expect from you.

I'm not talking about Rafal, but about the F-35 ... although there are enough experts here who compare the SU-57 with the F-35, Grippen, etc.

[Liam]

Quote: NEXUS

I'm not talking about Rafal, but about the F-35

A rather clumsy excuse

[Gado]

There were always enough "experts" here, and sometimes incomparable comparisons are made, just to say something. Good luck!

[The leader of the Redskins]

One gets the impression that China has invented a new hieroglyph, which simultaneously means:
1) Fighter J20.
2) The fastest.
3) The best.
4) Just a star!
And they shove this hieroglyph into all editions and all comparisons!)

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And they shove this hieroglyph into all editions and all comparisons!)

Business. You can't praise yourself, who will praise this undersized, with a weak engine. For amers, when flying at speeds above Mach 1, the coating begins to peel off. It is doubtful that the Chinese have gone further, there is no one to write off.

[yuliatreb]

You cannot praise yourself from the field

[Helmsman]

Not a bad airplane, only expensive. But DRY looks prettier.

[Baron pardus]

According to what I read, Rafale is only slightly inferior to the SU35 in horizontal maneuverability, slightly surpasses in vertical maneuverability (300m / sk versus 280m / s) and surpasses the SU-35MKE in electronic equipment, and especially in Air-to-Air missiles. For example Meteor. Again, what I read is nothing more than open data. And the Chinese press. Well, she writes that the government orders. Just like the "independent media" in the USA are owned by 3 companies and write, of course, the boss will order.

[Mikhalych]

You dear, look at the video, how long the Raphael takes to accelerate. Where are they to the Su-30MKI. And you are 300m, 280m. Specialist. Moreover, I-this is, like, an export option.

[Vilensky]

1. And is Indian.
2. The Chinese have a conflict with the Hindus, in this regard, point 3 arises
3. Don't consider the Chinese as fools. Why are they praising Rafale? So that the Indians buy them, not drying. And here the conclusion suggests itself: the Chinese do not want to have the SU-30 as opponents. East is a delicate matter.

[Arthur 85]

Does it have any meaning in modern air combat? Who is there how to accelerate, who has higher speed and climb rate? .. I am never an expert, just in case, but something tells me: the only thing that matters is the radar and the number of missiles taken, the rest remains in the era of the Korean War.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Baron Pardus

outperforms SU-35MKE

Su - 30 MKI (modernized, commercial, Indian) ...

[akarfoxhound]

Do you know the thrust-to-weight ratio of the two fighters according to the altitude schedule? Do not read "bourgeois newspapers" at night (joke, but only a fraction)

[Herman 4223]

It would be interesting to see.
And also planes and missiles at different altitudes have different maximum G-forces at the ground with a lower altitude, and different aircraft have different ways.

[akarfoxhound]

And all this has a name - aerodynamics, subsonic and supersonic. And the real graphs are at least a chipboard, for example, while preparing for a "war" with the Su-27SM, I was poking around in the secret with their airplane flight controls, the BP technique and other nice things. According to "imported" in Soviet times, the Military Publishing House was also issued for the fighter units DSPshnaya "literature", today I do not see such documentation in the army, as an adversary.
In nete people spread the version of "Murzilki about airplanes".

[Mavrikiy]

Chinese press: Rafale fighters are superior to Su-30MKI, but will be very difficult to counter the J-20

If you say nothing, you will pass for a smart one. In China, apparently, it is customary to make muzzy calls, the louder the better.

[sabakina]

It seemed to me alone that the rafik sits down like a "Buranovski"?

[Arthur 85]

Rafik is not guilty!

[sg7s]

there the dynamics of the flight is the same, where he removed the ores - there he sat down ... (like our little carcass or the 21st)

[Mountain shooter]

I just do not understand! This J-20 is just a flying iron, and even with our AL-31. There is no supersonic cruising there, super-maneuverability, as I understand it, too. AFAR? Well, when you turn on the radar, you become very "visible", and very even from afar ... there is only one "stealth" left, which, generally speaking, is a very conditional thing - from what angle, at what frequencies ... the main thing is who evaluates ! In "non-combat" conditions, you can always get rid of - we say specially put the Luneberg lenses so that no one could determine our "degree of invisibility" ...
Wouldn't this Chinese wunderwolf turn out to be a paper tiger?

[unhappy]

An unconditional sign of the fifth generation - an aircraft without afterburner crosses the sound barrier and the cruising speed is higher than the speed of sound. No need to say how this affects the characteristics

[KCA]

Not an expert, but, as far as I know, everything is not very simple with AFAR, therefore they are not particularly installed on our aircraft, the need for water cooling is enough to understand possible problems

[Herman 4223]

AFAR is more complicated, more expensive and has a lower efficiency than PFAR, the advantages are rather dubious, so they do not put it.

[sg7s]

There is also the 41st-1M, but not "shmogli", they do better with adidas ... no need to exaggerate the abilities of the yellow ones, there is no academy there, no, that's all ...

[Mavrikiy]

Beautiful video. How small goslings fly under the protection of adults.

[Thrifty]

Hindus and Chinese people have one piece of advice - learn to make YOUR technique from scratch, do not use other people's ideas and technologies, and then we will laugh for a long time with the results of your futile googs! !!

[Allex]

to have such a school requires a lot of time and a lot of money, and a high engineering school. The Chinese do not have this, and are unlikely to be. They have a different production culture, a different mentality.

[Arthur 85]

Uh-huh. When all the 90s this entire technique stood on the ground without fuel ... I think that the Teutonic Order would have conquered half the world with iron swords, because they had testicles (although they did not use them, in the sense, they were monks) ... This is what I mean. The most crippled fighter with one Maxim machine gun, but in which the pilot flies, and of which there are many in the troops, is better than the PAK FA, which has not yet been seen there.

[rotmistr60]

They are superior to Russian planes, but where are they to our Chinese ... Maybe you need to be more modest, otherwise the "superiority" is already overflowing. With such enthusiasm, it is better to fight against American arrivals than to constantly write pejoratively about Russian weapons.

[APASUS]

For China, the participation of J-20 in a serious conflict can play a bad joke, if the Indians knock down a couple of them, then it will be very problematic to sell them

[Alex 2020]

Honestly, like in kindergarten! Pis..kami are measured who have more. The main thing is not the size, but the ability to use

[iouris]

Chet, no one considers such an issue as the impact on the combat effectiveness of the level of training of personnel (both crews and ground), as well as the impact of the logistics system. An aircraft that has not been mastered by combat pilots will be inferior in efficiency to well-known machines. How much will combat units need to master the "advanced" aircraft from one side and the other? This is where the dog fumbled.

[Allex]

In the first world, a rusty German submarine, which could not be under water for more than 20 minutes, destroyed 6 large British ships. The British could not believe it for a long time, they thought that they were attacked by a swarm of submarines. And since when did the Chinese experts become authoritative? The one who will competently use the weapon will be effective. Hindus have a problem with this - low training. It is difficult to say about the Chinese, but it also raises doubts.

[chingachguc]

why waste time on trifles - it was necessary to write 12 ships

[chingachguc]

so no one explained to me why Rafal is better than Su-30

[Wolf]

Oh well ? And who understands war as a journalist? War is an element. There is a difference between planes in nuances !!! The most heady MAN FIGHTER! If you are WARRIORS, defeat everyone in your path. Besides Rafal and his rockets ........
For such aircraft 30 km difference in radar radius of 1/30 minute, which is 2 seconds! The most heady good are the pilots with the raid of summer hours and the experience of a fighter.
The electronics of the Franks are breaking like a car, when the devil starts, it can bring it back to its original state.
Electronics is the element of Nikola Tesla, it takes another 100-200 years to get to it.
Even SU ​​30 is deadly in the hands of a pilot's warrior, and SU 35 is God in heaven and for Fu 22!
There are no better warriors on this world than the Slavs have never been.
Will pay for Rafal the same price as for SU 35 can only go ... from!

[Doliva63]

"There are no better warriors on this world than the Slavs have never been."
But what about the Hittites, for example? They are clearly not Slavs, but the warriors were hefty when there were no Slavs yet

[Wolf]

WHO WERE GETHITIES, HETTES, GOTHES? ? ?
They were not Araps or Persians!

[Wolf]

And are you sure that they were not Slavs ???

[Wolf]

The old Egyptians said that ONE older people eat.

[Wolf]

Who was the TIE PEOPLE?

[Wolf]

Who were the Hittites, Getty, Gotty? They were not Araps or Persians!

[Wolf]

Top up63, I didn't want to, but let's explain who the Guetta were.
G (x) etta says it right! X was added to replace G later, they were tzv. INDO-EUROPEAN people WHITE AND BLUE EYES! They wrote with lines and cuts in CLINICAL WRITING!
But in fact, INDO-EUROPEAN IS THE SLAVES TODAY! And today only 1 people live in Asia and Europe = SLAVES
Goethic language PROSLAVIAN LANGUAGE!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Wolf

Top up63, I didn't want to, but let's explain who the Guetta were.
G (x) etta says it right! X was added to replace G later, they were tzv. INDO-EUROPEAN people WHITE AND BLUE EYES! They wrote with lines and cuts in CLINICAL WRITING!
But in fact, INDO-EUROPEAN IS THE SLAVES TODAY! And today only 1 people live in Asia and Europe = SLAVES
Goethic language PROSLAVIAN LANGUAGE!

Buddy! I don’t refill, but refill is the name of the Polish coat of arms of my ancestors. Of the Indo-Europeans, I can easily tell you offhand - Iranians. In the Russian Federation in the Urals there are almost 20 of their cities. It didn't even smell like Slavs then, if you understand this idiom.

[Wolf]

Topping up 63 (now correct)
I am Serb. But the German Catholic Vatican history that we all taught has no connection with the truth!
The white man's civilization originated on the Danube about 8000 years ago there. From there goes a letter to the trap of civilization "VINCHAN LETTER" To the Danube somewhere in the territory of Serbia, Bulgaria and Rumunia. The civilization is older than Mesopotamsk and Egypt in years, somewhere between 2.000 and 3.000 years. From there the people nachel rasselatsya and to the Urals and Mala Asiu and northern, western southern Europe.
One of this people is also tzv. They did not expand the Indo-European language and across Europe across Asia. Today, the Slavs of the Luzhich Serbs in Germany (the Prusians overtook their own language in the 19th century) to the Rus in Kamchatka speak this language!
A group of tribes of this people came to Malaya Asiu and to India in the northern part. Gettiti, Goti, part of these tribes!
If you look at the old toponym in Europe od Swedish, through Germany, France and northern Spain, they are all called Slavic names! In the Urals, 20 Persian cities can be beaten, but this is a trifle in comparison with the Slavic cities in Europe and Asia. These people had the P1a1 genotype, they were white. Percy (Irantsi) R1b and they are dark. Specifically, Gettiti was beaten by white and blue eyes! There never existed INDOEUROPEAN groups of peoples who spoke in ONE language, there was a people who today are called SLAVS! Themselves big people on the territory of Europe and Asia were white!
If you carefully look at the ABC of the letter from the Luzhich Serbs to the Rus and give one significant letter, and today all our languages ​​have many identical words, and we all understood each other easily until somewhere in the 17th-18th centuries! Could speak freely among themselves!
In fact, the GERMANS never existed, they did not exist, the Germans as a people FANTASY of the Vatican and the Jesuits, like the Germanic language from the 19th century!
A SLAVE smelled like the beginning of the civilization of a white man and this is about 8.000 years ago there and from the Danube. And today there are SLAVES on the Danube only in the west they are Germanized and call them Germans!

[Wolf]

Kashubi in Poland speaks the oldest dialect of this language!

[Doliva63]

Lord, what a mess you have in your head, my dear Serb! Proto-Iranian cities in the Urals were created during the migration of Indo-Europeans from East to West. The Slavs appeared at the very end of this migration on the shores of the Baltic Sea, from there they already began to populate present-day Germany, which, of course, did not exist then, and Austria. Western tribes eventually began to squeeze them out to the East. Someone left, someone stayed. I had an acquaintance in the GDR, Arnstadt, a woman from Lusatian, sort of. The passport (kennkarte) said something like "puddle", but I don't remember exactly. And who left, turned into Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Russians, etc. We are all, like, Slavs, but different, because we came to the lands already inhabited, mixed with different aboriginal populations. Something like this.

[Wolf]

Now you are already funny, the head serves to think and think logical, and check and doubt and again the same thing and so all life teaches something new. But only one thing, how did the big people in Europe themselves move at this time with their families from the Urals to Germany? Probably they had more food reserves than all of Europe today, or were they transferred by the Martians by space ships? Even today it is not possible! All Germany was Slavyansk at this time you are talking about. Like most Europe!

[Doliva63]

The Slavs did not move from the Urals to Germany, they simply did not exist then. When the peoples / tribes coming from Altai reached the Baltic, the first Proto-Slavic tribes appeared. No need to study history on the Internet. There is not even information about the battle ax megaculture, I studied it in the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s, and now it is not. The Slavs are rather late education - the brainchild of the last global migration of peoples.

[Wolf]

There is no truth in the grains! The Slavs could not pst from the sky, they were always. But the very name or name of Slavyani is new! The people as a people existed from the beginning of the time of this civilization, and the people of this people were called differently.

[5-9]

The Chinese have their own Su-30MKK ... they are simpler than the Indian MKI, and there are Su-35s, but they are embarrassed to make a direct comparison of the Jin-20 with them ... Ezhelicho, then our dryers and their clones will go to fight against Indian dryers ... Well, maybe there will still be Jin-11.

[sg7s]

The Chinese have nothing, only fake copies, a little to the side - a failure (destroyers will help you) ... There is no academic school, no ... a simple calculation - not in the power to do, was, sailed. Yes, a lot of money (and you know how?) It's just that - if you give a lot of jobs, the party gives you a lot of loans, Well, for example, metallurgy, a small-section mill, mills cost five lemons, we do, we put in a swag, they from this - SEVEN and a bunch of nishtyaks ... And you know how the packs are tied - MANUALLY - five (five!) workers sit and wait, as I said, there are already automatic packaging machines - shrugged their shoulders ... they say, we have jobs need ...

[Arthur 85]

It's an invisible fighter galloping ... And what, Jean, is it absolutely impossible to see it? No, Wang, impossible. Why can't you see it? Because he, Rafal, is not needed by anyone except Indians for such money.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Word by word, members on the table, measured and dispersed, it's good if this is where everything ends.

[Viktor Sergeev]

As small children, all surfaces are measured. As far as I understand, no one in China has heard about the presence of electronic warfare. The Indians would have to modernize their Su30 and they would beat everything, including the pseudo 5th generation of China.

[zenion]

It's time to know that this coating technically has a name - a condom.

[zenion]

Reminds of a Jewish anecdote. One famous chess player came to the city. He went to a chess club and asked a boy who is the best chess player in this city? The boy, Rabinovich, told him - Ivanov plays the best, but I always beat him. So is this Chinese man. It doesn't matter who is at the helm, their paint is not the same as Chinese.

[Lord of the Sith]

Rafale surpasses the Su-30MKI in some characteristics.

Well, how is the French cuttlefish superior to our plane?
In the price? Service difficulties? I willingly believe))

[pin_code]

Sokhu's opinion about the superiority of the Rafale over the Su-30MKK is interesting ... and of course over the clones of the Russian car in the Chinese Air Force. The answer is obvious from my point of view, because China does not buy Rafale, but it is the Su-27-30 that churns out ...

[sg7s]

The Chinese media are talking about something, don't you think? Never fought, Yes, a lot of people. but NO (I was there, worked for a year and a half, nephews as translators in Shanghai) ... Already "authoritative opinions" about military equipment ... You fucking tell La-5fn from F-2 or from Gustav? How is your Chinese AK offhand different in color from the original ?? The bolt carrier is shiny, nothing? Grub-no, in battle, only at gunpoint, but what articles ?? Let us strangle you even a yard (Damansky is your lesson, weaklings ...)

[Skifotavr]

From the material in the Chinese media:

Rafale surpasses the Su-30MKI in some characteristics.

In the same way, in some characteristics, Rafale is inferior to him, and inferior in a larger number. In general, these are fighters belonging to different classes - light and heavy. As for the Chinese J-20, this is a typical Chinese fake: outwardly it is a ridiculous hybrid of the MiG 1.44, F-22 and F-35, plus some little things were borrowed from European "ducks" - in short, they stuffed everything that they just saw somewhere - it turned out a bizarre bandura, but neither modern engines nor really good radars the Chinese can do, but at the same time they blather something.

[outsider]

nor really good radars, the Chinese do not know how to do, but at the same time they blather something.

- Enough rubbish: Chinese J-10Bs have been equipped with AFAR radars for many years now - serially... I'm not even talking about the AFAR radar on the J-20 and (undoubtedly) on the J-31. IN Russia does not have such avionics, which are serially installed on Chinese combat aircraft.

[Skifotavr]

Enough rubbish: Chinese J-10Bs have been serially equipped with AFAR radars for many years now. I'm not even talking about the AFAR radar on the J-20 and (undoubtedly) on the J-31.

Have you read that the radar with AFAR and already think that it is cool? I will disappoint you - the AFAR technology alone does not make the radar powerful and cool. Today in the USA, for example, purely commercial radars with AFAR are being made for installation on the F-15 and F-16 for all sorts of the UAE. Their price goes off scale, and their characteristics are worthless. The AFAR technology itself is certainly more promising than just a phased array, but it all depends on who implements it how. And yet I have not heard that Chinese forgeries were in any way better than the original, usually on the contrary.

[outsider]

Have you read that the radar with AFAR and already think that it is cool?

- Certainly.

I will disappoint you - the AFAR technology alone does not make the radar powerful and cool.

- Of course it does. And the lack of AFAR technology (in Rosaviaprom, for example) makes these airborne radars, how can I put it mildly? "Second grade".

Today in the USA, for example, purely commercial radars with AFAR are being made for installation on the F-15 and F-16 for all sorts of the UAE. Their price goes off scale, and their characteristics are worthless.

- And who told you that they are "worthless"? And why did you decide that the APG-83 radar for export is worse than that for domestic consumption? You were deceived.

The AFAR technology itself is certainly more promising than just a phased array, but it all depends on who implements it.

- And here I will tell you the most important secret: the one who is able to make radar / radar with AFAR, obviously has more advanced technologies than the one who is not able to do it.

And yet I have not heard that Chinese forgeries were in any way better than the original, usually on the contrary.

- Those Chinese "handicrafts" that are installed as radar on the J-10B, or on the J-20 - from which original are they copied?

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Herman 4223

Of the good for Rafale, this is OLS, a meteor rocket and the possibility of using western cruise missiles for fighters, alas, we are a little ahead of us here.

OLS on Russian fighters have long been.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Again, everything that the Chinese cannot copy or simply steal is criticized. It's just that a number of authors are very fond of referring to the Chinese on VO now, because the battle shit immediately begins, and that's all they need

[LSI_72]

Every sandpiper praises his swamp. Just why print any nonsense. We praise our swamp. China is its own.
Adequate information comes after 8-10 years.

[outsider]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Gado

Is it "Rafale", is it a single engine? Well, well, I didn't expect from you.

I'm not talking about Rafal, but about the F-35 ... although there are enough experts here who compare the SU-57 with the F-35, Grippen, etc.

- Indeed: to compare the F-35 with the Su-57 - it is necessary to have no brains at all!