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The Proton-M launch vehicle launched two telecommunications satellites into orbit

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The Proton-M launch vehicle launched two telecommunications satellites into orbit

The Russian Proton-M launch vehicle, launched from the Baikonur cosmodrome, launched the Briz-M upper stage with the Express-80 and Express-103 telecommunication satellites into orbit. This was reported on the website of "Roscosmos".


The rocket was launched at 00:25 Moscow time. time from the launcher No. 39 of the site No. 200 of the Baikonur cosmodrome. The launch took place as usual. The rocket is supposed to launch Russian middle class telecommunications spacecraft into an intermediate orbit. At 00:35, the Briz-M upper stage separated from the third stage of the rocket, the launching of satellites into the target orbit with a minimum altitude of 16,6 thousand kilometers and a maximum of 54,9 thousand kilometers will be carried out due to the operation of the upper stage engines.

The first activation of the upper stage engine took place in the normal mode. The launch of satellites into the target orbit is planned at 18:00, separation of satellites from the upper stage at 18:24 and 18:41. Accordingly, Express-80 will be separated from the upper stage first, Express-103 will be the second. Since the capabilities of the rocket do not allow putting satellites into geostationary orbit, the satellites will independently reach it using their own electric jet engines. At the same time, Express-80 will spend 152 days for the entire journey, and Express-103 - 160 days. The commissioning of satellites is planned for January-February 2021.

According to Roskosmos, the rocket was launched on a reserve day. The launch was postponed from July 30 to July 31 for an additional check of components and assemblies due to remarks that arose when checking the control system of the upper stage "Briz-M".

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  1. mdsr
    mdsr 31 July 2020 08: 33 New
    +2
    Since the capabilities of the rocket do not allow putting satellites into geostationary orbit, the satellites will independently reach it using their own electric jet engines. At the same time, Express-80 will spend 152 days for the entire journey, and Express-103 - 160 days. Commissioning of satellites is planned for January-February 2021

    Will satellites waste their resources to get to their working orbit? Or are electric propulsion engines powered by solar panels from satellites?
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 31 July 2020 08: 41 New
      +7
      Google to help you ... And when using electric propulsion, positioning in geostationary orbit is more accurate ...
      1. figwam
        figwam 31 July 2020 09: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: nPuBaTuP
        And when using electrojet engines, geostationary orbit positioning is more accurate ...

        The Americans also use this type of satellite delivery.
        1. slipped
          slipped 1 August 2020 12: 09 New
          -1
          Quote: figvam
          The Americans also use this type of satellite delivery.


          Such - no. They put their satellites into a circular geo-transfer orbit, and then by apogee propulsion system powered by chemical fuel, standing on the spacecraft, are brought to the GSO. Hence, the mass of the satellite is five or more tons.

          In this launch, the launch of a "super-heavy" load for Proton-M from two medium-mass (~ 2,2 tons each) satellites into a working supersynchronous orbit with a high apogee of ~ 55 km. And from there, slowly, on the electric propulsion system, the satellites move to their points of standing on the GSO.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 31 July 2020 08: 52 New
      -1
      Will satellites waste their resources to get to their working orbit? Or do electric propulsion engines work by generating energy from solar panels of satellites? [/ Quote]
      Electric jet engines consume very little "working" fluid, and electricity is taken from solar panels.
    3. slipped
      slipped 31 July 2020 12: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: mdsr
      Will satellites waste their resources to get to their working orbit?


      Not. A pair of cruising SPD-100Vs is used only for additional launch to a stationary point from a working orbit.

      Quote: mdsr
      Or are electric propulsion engines powered by solar panels from satellites?


      Xenon is used as fuel. For this, the satellite has a composite comfort tank. The satellite receives electricity from its solar panels.
  2. tarabar
    tarabar 31 July 2020 08: 34 New
    +8
    “Let Washington call us bastard Russia.
    We have launched over five tons of bast shoes today! "
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 31 July 2020 08: 41 New
      -2
      The United States is also awake, launched a rocket to Mars with a rover ...
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 July 2020 09: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexey-74
        The United States is also awake, launched a rocket to Mars with a rover ...

        This music will be eternal: "But the USA ... and here is China ... and here ..." and so on until the second coming.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 31 July 2020 09: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          This music will be eternal: "But the USA ... and here is China ... and here ..." and so on until the second coming.

          Who is to blame that we have nothing to boast about today?
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 July 2020 10: 02 New
            +3
            Nobody brags. Where did you see this? Just an informational note.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 31 July 2020 09: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexey-74
        The United States is also on the alert, launched a rocket to Mars with a rover ..

        And yesterday Atlas-5 541 AV-088 didn't fly away?
      3. Vilensky
        Vilensky 31 July 2020 10: 34 New
        +4
        The United States is also awake, launched a rocket to Mars with a rover ...

        That's what I'm thinking about. The full power of one of the American rovers is 30 W. And at the same time such quality of communication and photos. ... ...
        fellow
      4. askort154
        askort154 31 July 2020 10: 38 New
        +2
        Alexey-74 .....The United States is also not asleep, launched a rocket to Mars with a rover ...

        And the rocket on the Russian RD-180 engines, which we still sell to them, instead of the "Ragozinsky trampoline". yes hi
        1. snucerist
          snucerist 31 July 2020 11: 14 New
          -6
          We sell only for Atlases. And only for the simple reason that no one else needs them. First of all, in Russia itself, because there is no carrier for them and is not expected.
          And only for the time being. Soon the shop will be closed, because in the near future it will become indecent to drag the super expensive Atlas project by the ears even for NASA against the background of cheap Falcon Mask with reusable first stages and engines with excellent characteristics.
          1. askort154
            askort154 31 July 2020 11: 35 New
            +4
            snucerist...We only sell for Atlases ...

            And to Mars they sent the Atlas-V, with the Russian rocket engine, RD-180.
            Back in 2014, the US Congress adopted a legislative act prohibiting, from 2019, the use of the Russian RD-180 on Atlas V missiles, and 250 mln were allocated to create their replacement. dllr. But to this day, there is no replacement, so Atlases continue to fly on the Russian RD-180. hi
            1. snucerist
              snucerist 31 July 2020 12: 13 New
              0
              Did I argue with that? This is exactly what I was talking about.
              And also that the shop with Atlases will soon be closed. Congress will have to ask NASA why taxpayers have to pay for an expensive project if there is a cheap alternative?
              Yes, as long as NASA rests on all its limbs and at least in some way tries to shut off the oxygen Mask in order to prevent its absolute monopoly on the astronautics market.
              But this is all for the time being. Atlas will go away. The RD-180 engines will go along with it. It's a pity, by the way, the engine is good. But who is to blame that there is no use for it in Russia?
              1. askort154
                askort154 31 July 2020 13: 23 New
                0
                snucerist ....Did I argue with that? This is exactly what I was talking about.

                And I'm with you, too. I just used your "comment", and added the essence of the question, for "silent minus players", because I myself do not use "minuses". It's just that you and I scored our balls in one pocket. good hi
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 1 August 2020 09: 37 New
                0
                Most likely it has already closed. They have an engine reserve of up to 25 years, given the drop in demand for this rocket to 30, will be enough. The Vulcan will be ready there.
          2. slipped
            slipped 31 July 2020 12: 19 New
            -2
            Quote: snucerist
            First of all, in Russia itself, because there is no carrier for them and is not expected.


            The future Soyuz-6 and Yenisei use such engines.
            1. snucerist
              snucerist 31 July 2020 13: 09 New
              -3
              When these "future" ones will be, then we'll talk, okay?
              All these Rogozin fables about lunar bases, apple trees on Mars and other future achievements have really got me.
              At one time, they fed them to their fill with the same fables about the imminent onset of communism throughout the world, providing everyone with apartments in 2000 and the rest. So much so that such promises cause only allergies.
              Musk promises little.
              And he does a lot.
              More precisely, already done. The market of commercial freight traffic has already been completely taken away from Russia, and the passenger monopoly has been questioned.
              Therefore, I would rather believe in the successful completion of the Starlink and Starship projects than in Soyuz-6 and Yenisei.
              Here, at least no one already needed Angara, they brought to mind. A hydrogen generator would be attached to the A5B.
              1. slipped
                slipped 31 July 2020 13: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: snucerist
                When these "future" ones will be, then we'll talk, okay?


                Ok, but the engines for them, RD-180MV, have already been developed today.

                Quote: snucerist
                All these Rogozin fables about lunar bases, apple trees on Mars and other future achievements have really got me.


                Tears badly? candles say help. Light a candle for health.

                Quote: snucerist
                At one time, they fed them to their fill with the same fables about the imminent onset of communism throughout the world, providing everyone with apartments in 2000 and the rest.


                What does this have to do with our new missiles? belay

                Quote: snucerist
                So much so that such promises cause only allergies.


                Suprastin also says it helps.

                Quote: snucerist
                Musk promises little.


                Yes? When was the Dragon supposed to fly to Mars Cru? laughing

                Quote: snucerist
                And he does a lot.


                Launched something to Mars? They bring Starlink for the Pentagon. The whole sky with its small-weaved hair is already filled up.

                Quote: snucerist
                More precisely, already done. The commercial freight market has completely taken away from Russia


                Nope, we already had commercial launches this year:

                07.02.2020/2/XNUMX - launch of the OneWeb cluster No. XNUMX
                21.03.2020/3/XNUMX - launch of the OneWeb cluster No. XNUMX

                And there will be more, the production of the next satellites in Florida has been resumed. In addition, Glavkosmos has cluster launches of foreign-made small spacecraft under new contracts.

                Quote: snucerist
                the passenger monopoly is questioned.


                All our passenger ships are scheduled up to Soyuz MS-26 inclusive - there are both commercial ships and commercial places.

                Quote: snucerist
                Therefore, I would rather believe in the successful completion of the Starlink and Starship projects than in Soyuz-6 and Yenisei.


                Sect - it makes you believe.

                Quote: snucerist
                Here, at least no one already needed Angara, they brought to mind. A hydrogen generator would be attached to the A5B.


                What do you mean "not needed"? Our MO has extensive plans for Angara. laughing The Sphere alone will consist of more than 500 spacecraft.
                1. snucerist
                  snucerist 31 July 2020 14: 36 New
                  -2
                  1. It was not about engines. It was about the Soyuz-6 and Yenisei launch vehicles. Do you understand the difference between these terms?
                  2. The attitude is most immediate. From the same series - we will make, produce, launch, design, build. But for some reason, with the prefixes "after the rain on Thursday, when the cancer whistles on the mountain", etc.
                  3. Suprastin is a serious argument, to be sure. There was no other person to divert the conversation to the side and blurt out the topic?
                  4. I have already written about the obstacles posed by the NASA Mask. There is a desire - I will explain the topic in more detail. For now, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with at least Musk's relationship with Bridenstine. Much will become clear. In particular, why Musk had such difficulties with certification that the launches were delayed automatically.
                  5. OneWeb was not worth mentioning. For the simple reason that she is bankrupt. "... production of more satellites in Florida has been resumed." Perfectly. Do you know who? Renewed by whom? Will you personally be happy that Roscosmos will work for the Pentagon? You have strange tastes ...
                  6. "In addition, Glavkosmos has cluster launches of foreign-made small spacecraft under new contracts." This statement is good to back up with facts. To voice these very "new contracts". Preferably a list. So far it is known that ONLY ONE foreign contract has been reserved for Russia. With the already mentioned long-suffering OneWeb bankruptcy.
                  7. Once again. The commercial freight market for Russia is closed by Mask. For the reason that the launch of the "nine" Mask costs less. Falcones cover the entire niche of 22-64 tons.
                  8. I have already said about the last point too. The hangara can only be claimed by the RF Ministry of Defense. Only it can give money for a deliberately unprofitable project and give some money to Roscosmos, at least for bread. Business does not need a carrier with a PN load like the Proton, but with a more expensive launch price.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 31 July 2020 15: 55 New
                    -1
                    Quote: snucerist
                    1. It was not about engines. It was about the Soyuz-6 and Yenisei launch vehicles. Do you understand the difference between these terms?


                    "Soyuz-6" and "Yenisei" are planned for production in the next FKP.

                    Quote: snucerist
                    2. The attitude is most immediate. From the same series - we will make, produce, launch, design, build. But for some reason, with the prefixes "after the rain on Thursday, when the cancer whistles on the mountain", etc.


                    Where did you see these "prefixes"? Give a link.

                    Quote: snucerist
                    3. Suprastin is a serious argument, to be sure. There was no other person to divert the conversation to the side and blurt out the topic?


                    So with allergies - the very thing. laughing Yes, and then you do not have a theme.

                    Quote: snucerist
                    4. I have already written about the obstacles posed by the NASA Mask.


                    Musk is not interesting to me at all.

                    Quote: snucerist
                    5. OneWeb was not worth mentioning. For the simple reason that she is bankrupt. "... production of more satellites in Florida has been resumed." Perfectly. Do you know who? Renewed by whom?


                    By OneWeb. laughing

                    Quote: snucerist
                    Will you personally be happy that Roscosmos will work for the Pentagon? You have strange tastes ...


                    We have a commercial contract with Arianspace, not the Pentagon. By the way, Russia is also included in OneWeb Sattelite.

                    Quote: snucerist
                    6. "In addition, Glavkosmos has cluster launches of foreign-made small spacecraft under new contracts." This statement is good to back up with facts. To voice these very "new contracts". Preferably a list.


                    Go to the Glavkosmos website. This is not difficult to do. Read it. The next launch is in September.

                    Quote: snucerist
                    So far it is known that ONLY ONE foreign contract has been reserved for Russia. With the already mentioned long-suffering OneWeb bankruptcy.


                    No. laughing

                    Quote: snucerist
                    7. Once again. The commercial freight market for Russia is closed by Mask. For the reason that the launch of the "nine" Mask costs less. Falcones cover the entire niche of 22-64 tons.


                    Firstly, there is no market for Russia in the United States due to the ban on launching American satellites or satellites with American components on our missiles from 2023. Secondly, we conclude contracts for the launch of satellites of our own production by our rockets for foreign customers. Thirdly, we sell whole rockets with launch services. So clear? laughing

                    Quote: snucerist
                    but with a more expensive launch price, no gift is needed.


                    I gave you the price for the new media. When it goes into series the price will go down.
                    1. snucerist
                      snucerist 31 July 2020 17: 47 New
                      +1
                      1. Do you again need to explain the difference between "are planning" Roscosmos and "already done" with the "already flying" Mask?
                      2. If I give links to all transfers to the right of all mega projects like Eagle, Federation, Angara, etc., two pages will not be enough for me. I don't do flood.
                      3. If Musk is not interesting at all, why comment on such topics? It is not clear that any news in astronautics almost always rests against the Mask? For, no matter how regrettable it is to realize this, someone stayed on the sidelines of astronautics, and then something went out on a wide road.
                      4. Once again. OneWeb is bankrupt. Should I write it in capital letters?
                      5. The contract with the company Arianespace was signed by Roscosmos for 21 commercial launches in June 2015. Before bankruptcy. The first launch with 6 satellites took place in the spring of 2019 from the Kuru cosmodrome; in March 2020, the Soyuz rocket launched from Baikonur, which launched the third (and last at the moment) batch of 34 vehicles into orbit. Then everything hung in the air. OneWeb rushed to the top, offering itself to everyone who met and across. According to the latest information, the Pentagon volunteered to save the company. On certain conditions, EU-but. Which ones are clear to the child. It is personally unpleasant for me if Roskosmos will work for the US military department.
                      6. I use other sources than the Glavkosmos website. From which it follows that 5 launches are planned for September. Of which 2 - Falcon 9 Block 5, 1 - Antares, 1 - Long March 6 and 1 really Union 2.1B. I hope now it is clear with what PN.
                      7. No is not the answer. To this "no" it would be nice to attach a list of foreign companies with which Roscosmos has signed (allegedly) contracts for commercial transportation, as I asked.
                      8. Never the price of a disposable product, all other things being equal (and they, by the way, are no longer equal) will not be compared with the price of a reusable one. Russian carriers burn out completely together with very expensive engines. And as you do not reduce the price in the series, it will not even come close to the price of the same "nine".
                      9. Try again to understand the difference between the price of a launch and the price of a rocket to understand why Musk is selling launches. And why, for this reason, he has already left all competitors overboard.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 31 July 2020 19: 56 New
                        -3
                        Quote: snucerist
                        1. Do you again need to explain the difference between "are planning" Roscosmos and "already done" with the "already flying" Mask?


                        Roskosmos now has two flying rockets - Soyuz-2 (three models) and Proton-M. The next step is testing this year of the A5 missile. This is quite enough for Roscosmos at the moment. Clear?

                        Quote: snucerist
                        2. If I give links to all transfers to the right of all mega projects like Eagle, Federation, Angara, etc., two pages will not be enough for me. I don't do flood.


                        What's wrong with the Eagle? The contract was signed in 2016, assembly in 2021, launch in 2023, when the Amur air-space complex on Vostochny is ready. And the schedule has NOT CHANGED since 2016. More precisely, he was tied to the construction of the start. There was an attempt to shift the launch earlier, but after revising some aspects of the project, the launch was returned to 2023.

                        Quote: snucerist
                        3. If Musk is not interesting at all, why comment on such topics?


                        This topic is not about the Mask. This is about the successful launch of two Russian state-of-the-art communication satellites. laughing

                        Quote: snucerist
                        4. Once again. OneWeb is bankrupt. Should I write it in capital letters?


                        You have outdated data. They have already been given money - by the British government and the Indian oligarch. laughing

                        Quote: snucerist
                        According to the latest information, the Pentagon volunteered to save the company.


                        You have outdated information.

                        Quote: snucerist
                        6. I use other sources than the Glavkosmos website. From which it follows that 5 launches are planned for September. Of which 2 - Falcon 9 Block 5, 1 - Antares, 1 - Long March 6 and 1 really Union 2.1B. I hope now it is clear with what PN.


                        You have incorrect data on our launches for September. laughing As for the Soyuz-2.1b, it flies with three Messengers and an MCA cluster.

                        Quote: snucerist
                        7. No is not the answer. To this "no" it would be nice to attach a list of foreign companies with which Roscosmos has signed (allegedly) contracts for commercial transportation, as I asked.


                        There are many companies there. laughing Arianspace is one of them.

                        Quote: snucerist
                        8. Never the price of a disposable product, all other things being equal (and they, by the way, are no longer equal) will not be compared with the price of a reusable one. Russian carriers burn out completely together with very expensive engines. And as you do not reduce the price in the series, it even
                        will not come close to the price of the same "nine".


                        You are wrong. First, ask yourself what is the cost of manufacturing the F9 and what is the cost of post-flight recovery. Name them here and everything will become clear and understandable to you. laughing

                        Quote: snucerist
                        why Musk sells launches.


                        It doesn't matter what he sells there. It is important that the market in the US is no longer there. All American satellites are now deployed by American rockets only. European - European.
          3. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 31 July 2020 16: 45 New
            -1
            Quote: snucerist
            Soon the shop will be closed, because in the near future it will become indecent to drag the super expensive Atlas project by the ears even for NASA against the background of cheap Falcon Mask with reusable first stages and engines with excellent characteristics.

            cheto all this super-cheap beauty of the mask can not enter the international market request
            it looks like someone is deceiving everyone, either Musk, or you wink
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 1 August 2020 09: 54 New
              -2
              Quote: SanichSan
              cheto all this super-cheap beauty of the mask can not enter the international market
              Even Kazakhstan, on whose territory Baikonur, and which has a special relationship with Roscosmos, preferred to launch its satellites KazsaySat and KazistiSat, guess what.
              1. slipped
                slipped 1 August 2020 11: 54 New
                -1
                Quote: military_cat
                Even Kazakhstan, on whose territory Baikonur, and which has a special relationship with Roscosmos, preferred to launch its satellites KazsaySat and KazistiSat, guess what.


                One MCA 100 kg, another cubesat. It was a free launch for Kazakhstan. And politics intervened. You have to show your "independence".

                You forget that an agreement has already been signed from the same Kazakhstan for the modernization of the 45th Baikonur site and Kazakhstan will buy our Soyuz-5 for its launches.
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 2 August 2020 22: 57 New
                -1
                yes you do not push .. just write down how many percent of satellites launched by Mask are foreign and how many percent of satellites launched by Roscosmos are foreign, for example, for 2019 request Or in your training manual only about "the largest number of commercial launches"? lol
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 3 August 2020 04: 42 New
                  0
                  I was responding to the specific assertion that SpaceX cannot enter the international market. And this statement is obviously ridiculous. What is the point of continuing to play the fool?
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 3 August 2020 12: 51 New
                    -1
                    Quote: military_cat
                    I was responding to the specific assertion that SpaceX cannot enter the international market.

                    what did you answer? Are 2 satellites your "entry to the international market"? they have been launching 5-2 satellites a year for 3 years request all. mask ceiling.
                    Quote: military_cat
                    And this statement is obviously ridiculous. What is the point of continuing to play the fool?

                    Frankly, I like to remind Muscophiles that SpaceX is not internationally competitive. lives on the inside laughing
        2. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 31 July 2020 12: 10 New
          -1
          So doubly disappointing ... we sent a couple of satellites into orbit, and the US mission to Mars ... the difference ...
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 31 July 2020 21: 44 New
          -1
          RD180 can of course be proud, but a full-fledged program - in addition to the carrier, also the development, manufacture of the rover, the receipt of scientific data by US scientists, writing articles, all this is much cooler than the device and the nut.
          1. slipped
            slipped 1 August 2020 13: 10 New
            -1
            Quote: nickname7
            obtaining scientific data by US scientists writing articles, that's all much cooler than a device and a nut.


            Do you think that our scientists do not write articles? lol Fuck. Here is one of the latest articles of our scientists on Mars, if you know English, read it. https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2020/07/aa38134-20/aa38134-20.html
      5. sevryuk
        sevryuk 31 July 2020 12: 07 New
        +3
        Trolls, when will you get fired? Not only are you not exerting any manipulative influence, you are really maddening!
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 31 July 2020 13: 25 New
          -1
          You mean what trolls ???
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 31 July 2020 16: 48 New
          -2
          Quote: sevryuk
          Trolls, when will you get fired?

          they seem to work like the Kremlin. all their pro-American propaganda is so stupid and primitive that it develops resistant immunity to it request
          1. sevryuk
            sevryuk 1 August 2020 00: 06 New
            0
            Yes otozh - fucking fire!
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 31 July 2020 22: 06 New
          -2
          They do not influence trolls, fools cannot understand this. The influence is exerted by the political bots, the Olgins.
          1. sevryuk
            sevryuk 1 August 2020 00: 07 New
            +1
            And fire you. What is the name of the Galician analogue of the Olgins?
  3. Poetry
    Poetry 31 July 2020 08: 45 New
    -10
    So what do you say to that, Elon Ma laughing sk?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 31 July 2020 09: 14 New
      -4
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      Well, what do you say to that, Ilon Ma laughing ck?

      What should Elon Musk say? Well, they launched a rocket, the year of development was 1961-1967, the modernization was mid-2000, 2 satellites were brought out. So-so victory. The expedition was not launched to Mars, there, yes, there would be a reason to rejoice.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 31 July 2020 09: 18 New
        -4
        It is a pity that you did not catch the sarcasm in my words. I inserted the face for a reason.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 31 July 2020 09: 41 New
          +5
          So should we read the text or consider the faces?
          I myself love sarcasm, for which I often get a beat. And some fellow citizens choke even in righteous anger.
          We need to improve the quality of sarcasm.
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 31 July 2020 09: 43 New
        0
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What should Elon Musk say?

        Musk has launched more rockets and satellites this year than all other countries combined.
        1. HUNTERDON
          HUNTERDON 31 July 2020 10: 25 New
          -7
          on our engines
          1. Grading
            Grading 31 July 2020 10: 33 New
            -2
            Kremlebot study mat part! laughing

            Merlin engine for Space X
            1. HUNTERDON
              HUNTERDON 31 July 2020 10: 50 New
              -1
              you yourself are a lackey Kiev
          2. snucerist
            snucerist 31 July 2020 11: 17 New
            +3
            Musk's rockets fly on "our engines" ???
            Forgive me for the immodest question - what grade of secondary school are you in?
            1. Pereira
              Pereira 31 July 2020 13: 37 New
              +3
              To teach him is only to spoil
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 31 July 2020 16: 49 New
          -5
          Quote: Malyuta
          Musk has launched more rockets and satellites this year than all other countries combined.

          primitive lie request
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 1 August 2020 09: 41 New
            -1
            laughing statistics laughing
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 2 August 2020 23: 06 New
              -1
              dooo laughing the year is not over yet and the maskophile statistics have already counted laughing
              what do we have at the moment? Musk 11, China 16 (19 unsuccessful). I have a reasonable question, are you sectarians ??? belay how much does one need to be a believing fanatic to ignore reality?
    2. Infinity
      Infinity 31 July 2020 09: 24 New
      +9
      hi What should I say to him? Although he loves to chat, he usually does not comment on other people's launches. In addition, he himself has a Falcon 9 flying tomorrow with 57 Starlink satellites and BlackSky Global satellites, and after the return of the Crew Dragon capsule.
      And for that matter, Musk is very respectful of our astronautics, as can be seen from his tweets and statements. Like so many people in the US space industry. Well, we, on the contrary, to them drinks And not a hindrance to us, this is your policy!
      1. slipped
        slipped 31 July 2020 12: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Infinity
        hi What should he say?


        Cool, the sectarians talk to themselves. lol They themselves ask questions about the Mask, they answer themselves. Directly a temple of some kind.
  4. antivirus
    antivirus 31 July 2020 09: 46 New
    -7
    space again instead of aircraft carriers 7 70 thousand tons each

    how bad everything is with Putin.
    not a single aircraft carrier.
    congratulations - we continue, at least not among the leaders, to work in space
  5. unhappy
    unhappy 31 July 2020 10: 22 New
    -3
    So-so victory.

    Alas sad
    Proton is an obsolete carrier. Angara is a clear example of cutting and stealing the state budget by a tandem of officials and academicians. They received a pack of pasta with expensive engines, the cost price is much higher than the old Proton. Normally, the next generation of missiles should be cheaper and more reliable (like Musk bully )
    1. snucerist
      snucerist 31 July 2020 11: 24 New
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      All true.
      Let's say it was necessary to get away from poisonous heptyl.
      But after all, it was necessary to make a carrier with characteristics of at least the next level and a lower price.
      What happened? Why was this garden with the Angara fenced in? Who needs it at all today (except for the military, perhaps)?
      Musk has already tightly closed the entire commercial niche in LEO with PN from 22 to 64 tons.
    2. slipped
      slipped 31 July 2020 12: 24 New
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      Quote: unhappy
      the cost is much higher


      the prime cost decreases in serial production, and services for launching on the A5 are no more expensive than those of the Proton. Our Ministry of Defense has already signed contracts for ~ $ 64 million for the first media, in equivalent.
      1. unhappy
        unhappy 1 August 2020 09: 50 New
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        Let's clarify - small-scale release when the commercial niche is closed.
        Conversation in general about the fact that at the Angara site there should be a rocket comparable to the Falcon 9 in terms of the cost of payload in a reference or transfer orbit!
        Understand, the customer does not give a shit about the "mu coefficient" and the specific impulse of the engine, he wants a lower price per kilogram of payload. Musk did it!
        To crazy patriots - "normally the next generation of missiles should be more reliable and cheaper", if you don't agree, then justify fool
        1. slipped
          slipped 1 August 2020 11: 50 New
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          Quote: unhappy
          Let's clarify - small-scale release when the commercial niche is closed.


          Let's clarify - the capabilities of the plant in Omsk allow the production of up to 20 URM per year, from 2023 the number will be increased to 50.

          Quote: unhappy
          Conversation in general about the fact that at the Angara site there should be a rocket comparable to the Falcon 9 in terms of the cost of payload in a reference or transfer orbit!
          Understand, the customer does not give a shit about the "mu coefficient" and the specific impulse of the engine, he wants a lower price per kilogram of payload. Musk did it!


          The successful launch of two Express trains on Proton yesterday, assembled on the Express-1000N commercial platform, showed that Russia has the ability to launch a twin launch with a heavy launch vehicle to reduce the cost of launching a separate communication satellite of a certain form factor that is quite popular among foreign customers. Of course, Soyuz-5 will only improve this indicator - similar adapters are also being developed for it.

          Quote: unhappy
          To crazy patriots - "normally the next generation of missiles should be more reliable and cheaper", if you don't agree, then justify fool


          Forum dunno - serial production reduces the cost, and reliability is provided by new technologies, both in production and in the product.
          1. unhappy
            unhappy 1 August 2020 12: 45 New
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            Let's clarify - the capabilities of the plant in Omsk allow the production of up to 20 URM per year, from 2023 the number will be increased to 50.

            At least 100 urm. Orders will be only from our state (3-4 missiles a year maximum). If you don’t understand or don’t want to understand, independent customers will choose lower costs for launching their satellites.
            The successful launch of two Express trains on Proton yesterday, assembled on the Express-1000N commercial platform, showed that Russia has the ability to launch a twin launch with a heavy launch vehicle to reduce the cost of launching a separate communication satellite of a certain form factor that is quite popular among foreign customers. Of course, Soyuz-5 will only improve this indicator - similar adapters are also being developed for it.

            I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Erema. It is certainly good, but the customer does not care about your adapter [b] [/ b]he wants a low launch price and Musk has a better price!
            [Quote
            Quote: unhappy
            To crazy patriots - "normally the next generation of missiles should be more reliable and cheaper", if you don't agree, then justify fool


            Forum dunno - serial production reduces the cost, and reliability is provided by new technologies, both in production and in the product.] [/ Quote]
            Hello, where is the connection? I'm talking about generations of missiles, but what are you talking about?
            1. slipped
              slipped 1 August 2020 13: 01 New
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              Quote: unhappy
              At least 100 urm. Orders will be only from our state (3-4 missiles a year maximum). If you don’t understand or don’t want to understand, independent customers will choose lower costs for launching their satellites.


              If you do not understand, then we have satellite launches under the Sphere program. And this is much more than 3-4 missiles per year. laughing

              Quote: unhappy
              I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Erema. It is certainly good, but the customer does not care about your adapter [b] [/ b]he wants a low launch price and Musk has a better price!


              Don't you realize that the cost of launching a domestic satellite in a tandem launch, demonstrated by Proton, is almost halved? And when using the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle for the tandem, will it decrease even more? laughing

              By the way, a similar serial satellite can now be launched by the medium carrier Soyuz-2.1b with the Fregat upper stage. laughing

              Quote: unhappy
              Hello, where is the connection? I'm talking about generations of missiles, but what are you talking about?


              I'm talking about new Russian space technologies. laughing
              1. unhappy
                unhappy 2 August 2020 07: 57 New
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                [quoteDo you not realize that the cost of launching a domestic satellite in a tandem launch, demonstrated by Proton, is almost halved? And when using the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle for the tandem, will it decrease even more? laughing
                ] [/ Quote]
                Just like in a joke - new technologies for saving gasoline in a new domestic car have led to the fact that excess gasoline began to flow out of the tank!
                Did you understand what you wrote?
                1. slipped
                  slipped 2 August 2020 11: 23 New
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                  Quote: unhappy
                  Did you understand what you wrote?


                  Can't you read? laughing Well, I'll put it on my fingers - services for launching one such satellite now cost ~ $ 48 million for a commercial launch (Soyuz-2.1b), and by launching two of these on Proton with a tamdem, this amount (for one satellite) has almost halved for the customer ... Of course, a purely Russian launch in rubles costs even less.
                  1. unhappy
                    unhappy 3 August 2020 08: 58 New
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                    I will try to help you.
                    A rocket can deliver a payload into orbit, whether it will be in the form of one satellite or two satellites with an adapter, or an adapter with a hundred nanosatellites - the owner of the rocket will set the same bill, but it's worth noticing the additional price for the adapters (they cost money).
                    Now you should understand that the Mask Falcon 9 rocket has a low production cost and, most importantly, the first stage is reusable (I already tried to convey to you that the new generation of rockets should reduce the cost of putting a kilogram into orbit).
                    Now pay attention to the behavior of independent customers (those who are looking for a cab with the lowest tariff for the delivery of payload), these people are not counting money on their fingers laughing , they all went together to conclude an agreement with Musk.
                    Alas, in the foreseeable future, the commercial niche for our missiles is closed.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 3 August 2020 10: 34 New
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                      Quote: unhappy
                      Now you should understand that the Mask Falcon 9 rocket has a low production cost and, most importantly, the first stage is reusable (I already tried to convey to you that the new generation of rockets should reduce the cost of putting a kilogram into orbit).


                      Most of all I like this phrase - "has a low production cost" and NO ONE says how much. laughing Also, NOBODY says how much post-flight recovery costs. Clearly, just a large number of rocket launches are required to pay off a reusable stage. This is why SpaceX is fiercely lobbying in Congress.

                      Quote: unhappy
                      they all went together to conclude an agreement with Musk.


                      Once again for wooden satellites, the production cycle for satellites is about two years, most of the commercial satellites are made to order in the USA or they use American components. Since 2023, the US Congress (hello lobbying) has banned Russia from launching such satellites. Moreover, insurance rates are not reduced despite our successful launches. That is why potential customers of Western satellites DO NOT WANT to risk launches from Russia.

                      But if you order a satellite by launching from us, for rubles, these problems are not. We create domestic commercial satellites and their quality is improving every year. In addition, a new domestic electronic component base for modern spacecraft is being created. Two satellites successfully launched into a working orbit are just an example of such spacecraft.
                      1. unhappy
                        unhappy 3 August 2020 11: 05 New
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                        Want to appear the smartest? Do you already have a problem with the tree?
                        Is Arianspace also under sanctions? Not. Any satellite production into orbit - please! But an independent customer goes to Musk in unison ... (in your opinion they are completely stupid, they don't know, but you know!)
                        And do not blabber over the problems of our rocketry.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 3 August 2020 11: 39 New
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                        Quote: unhappy
                        Want to appear the smartest? Do you already have a problem with the tree?


                        I am answering the question asked.

                        Quote: unhappy
                        Is Arianspace also under sanctions? Not.


                        Arianspace has only quarantined. Moreover, the Arabs, who ordered a satellite from them, transferred to our rocket. laughing And so they continue to prepare their commercial loads for launch. By the way, their launch is more expensive than that of Russia. They will be matched only when they make Arian 6, and then only partially.

                        Quote: unhappy
                        And do not blabber over the problems of our rocketry.


                        STA ?! We now have in production about 50 Soyuz-2, about a dozen Proton-M, four A5, A1.2, A5P, testing of Soyuz-5 has begun, Rokot-M and Wing-SV are being developed. .. the problems, if any, are purely production ones, which are being solved. laughing
                      3. unhappy
                        unhappy 3 August 2020 12: 26 New
                        +1
                        Quote: slipped
                        Quote: unhappy
                        Want to appear the smartest? Do you already have a problem with the tree?


                        I am answering the question asked.
                        You called someone else a wooden one?

                        Quote: unhappy
                        Is Arianspace also under sanctions? Not.


                        Arianspace has only quarantined. Moreover, the Arabs, who ordered a satellite from them, transferred to our rocket. laughing And so they continue to prepare their commercial loads for launch. By the way, their launch is more expensive than that of Russia. They will be matched only when they make Arian 6, and then only partially.
                        Arianspace's backlog problems began long before the coronavirus and sanctions for us, funny coincidence, Musk launched the Falcon 9 at that time!

                        Quote: unhappy
                        And do not blabber over the problems of our rocketry.


                        STA ?! We now have in production about 50 Soyuz-2, about a dozen Proton-M, four A5, A1.2, A5P, testing of Soyuz-5 has begun, Rokot-M and Wing-SV are being developed. .. the problems, if any, are purely production ones, which are being solved. laughing

                        Are you talking about government customers again? You need to start selling cars, when asked about gas mileage, you will tell how blue the sky is and buy a charged jeep.
                      4. slipped
                        slipped 3 August 2020 17: 49 New
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                        Quote: unhappy
                        Are you talking about government customers again?


                        I'm talking about commercial orders for our devices laughing Well, launches too.
  • Kelwin
    Kelwin 31 July 2020 11: 28 New
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    Cool. Is the New Constitution on board? well, the one that every teenager with the first passport will be issued?) Still, under signature ...
    1. Kelwin
      Kelwin 31 July 2020 20: 04 New
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      And immediately throw minuses) Well accepted and accepted, to be honest - I voted in favor. But nakoy shish to arrange a clowning. As many as two companions thrown - this is a real success, you can't argue. Moreover, despite the persistent resistance of the upper stage. The trampoline was tied incorrectly, but somehow it worked, right?)
  • Phoeniks
    Phoeniks 31 July 2020 11: 30 New
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    Why is there no video for the news? Photos and vidos can probably already be attached from the official website? Or does the master not allow trampoline cases?
    1. slipped
      slipped 31 July 2020 12: 25 New
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      Quote: Phoeniks
      Why is there no video for the news? Photos and vidos can probably already be attached from the official website? Or does the master not allow trampoline cases?


      video has long been on the pipe



      like the photo


      1. Phoeniks
        Phoeniks 31 July 2020 14: 57 New
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        So why isn't the vidos added right away in the article? This is what I ask, why should I go out somewhere and look for something?
      2. Drummer
        Drummer 1 August 2020 11: 27 New
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        A beautiful rocket, no doubt about it.
  • 1536
    1536 2 August 2020 08: 37 New
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    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    Quote: Alexey-74
    The United States is also awake, launched a rocket to Mars with a rover ...

    This music will be eternal: "But the USA ... and here is China ... and here ..." and so on until the second coming.

    And China is this: "The launch (11.07.2020/11/11) of the entertainment satellite Bilibili for remote sensing of the Earth ended yesterday with the destruction of the Kuaizhou-XNUMX (KZ-XNUMX) launch vehicle and two satellites on board. This is the third crash of Chinese space companies this year."
    This is a complex technique, perhaps no longer technology in the usual sense of the word, but a certain technological component, a technical environment, which includes rockets, satellites, engines, shell, etc., as well as technological advances, industry, science, etc. culture, and, of course, specialists, engineers, designers.
    And Mars, what Mars? In the 1960s, a song was sung in Russia with the following lines: "And apple trees will bloom on Mars." Today the accents are changing, or rather, they have changed long ago. But for some reason the Americans want their apple trees (with apples, probably bitten by, it is known by whom) bloom all over the Universe. But does the universe want it? As if from there someone would not want something in the USA, for example, to "bloom" as well, in addition to their something originally American.