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How the Anglo-Saxons played off Russia and Japan

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How the Anglo-Saxons played off Russia and Japan

Russian poster of the beginning of the war "Let's sit by the sea, wait for the weather"


The use of the "Russian penal battalion" reached its apotheosis at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Then participation in other people's games led the Russian Empire to a terrible collapse. It all started with a "small victorious war" with Japan.

Alexander the Peacemaker


The last tsars from the Romanov dynasty were not up to par. The only exception was Alexander III the Peacemaker. During his reign, Russia did not allow itself to be drawn into any war. At the same time, we expanded our possessions in the south, in Turkestan it was in our national interests. And they began the construction of the Great Siberian Route, which sharply strengthened our military-strategic and economic positions in Siberia and the Far East (Alexander III Alexandrovich - the great Russian ruler who suppressed the destruction of Russia).

True, Russia was involved in the Russian-French alliance, but it was not yet fatal. We had good relations with Germany in general. Therefore, Russia could still avoid the trap of "friendship" with England and bet on building the Paris-Berlin-Petersburg axis, which would fend off the aggressive aspirations of the Britons. In the Far East, it was possible to attract Japan to the union, covering Russia from the east.

The unexpectedly quick death of Tsar Alexander III led to the fact that the Russian throne was taken by a poorly prepared person - Nicholas II. He was under the illusion that he still had many years of carefree freedom. But I had to accept the "heavy hat of Monomakh." This was the end of the Romanov empire. Russian soldiers again performed unparalleled feats, correcting the mistakes of top managers, paved the Anglo-Saxon empire with their bones. Russia's participation in someone else's game has reached its maximum. Russia was set up twice, played off first with the Japanese and then with the Germans. Both wars were unnecessary, extremely dangerous for the empire. The result was a civilizational, geopolitical and state catastrophe of 1917. The death of the king and his family, millions of deaths.

Japanese "ram" and the royal mistake


It should be noted that thanks to St. Petersburg's passion for European affairs, we have completely failed the Far Eastern policy. So, with close attention to the policy of the Russian Empire in the Far East and the Pacific, you can see that we missed several excellent chances to establish our sphere of influence in the northern part of the Pacific region. Petersburg was unable to master the lands in the Far East in time, making the region its powerful military and economic center. He missed the opportunity to occupy Hawaii, California, take Korea under his protectorate (even before the modernization and rise of the Japanese Empire), and make friends with Japan. The apogee of our failures was the sale of Russian America under Alexander II.

The West, represented by England and the United States, stubbornly turned the planet into its hunting grounds. Westerners do not forgive mistakes. The West turned China into a semi-colony, hooked a huge people on drugs (opium). The most ancient civilization was decaying, living in a narcotic intoxication. Japan was "discovered" at gunpoint (like Korea). The Japanese elite, seeing the terrible threat of colonization, mobilized the nation and made a rapid leap towards Western modernization. The emphasis was placed on the military, transport and industry. A new predator has appeared on the plan - Japan. In foreign policy, militarized Japan repeated the policy of the West: external expansion, seizure of resources and sales markets. Britain and the United States created a "Japanese battering ram" to incite the Japanese against China and Russia and use new wars to gain gesheft.

Petersburg slept through the appearance of a new predator in the Far East, dwelling in the illusion of its naval power and the weakness of the Japanese. At the same time, Russia had every chance to avoid a war with Japan. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the tsarist government again received unique opportunities in the region: excellent strongholds on the Liaodong Peninsula, access to the warm seas. The creation of the Yellow Russia began. The opportunity opened up for our economic expansion in the Asia-Pacific region. With Japan, it was only necessary to resolve the Korean question.

It is understandable that the West was furious over the Russian breakthrough in the East. The British were especially indignant. India was the backbone of their empire and wealth. It was also a springboard for control over other countries of South and Southeast Asia. The British were very much afraid that the Russians would start paying them in the same coin. Revolt in India, send officers weapon and gold. That would deal a terrible blow to the British world empire. The British looked very closely at the penetration of the Russians into the Pamir, Tibet. They did not like the fact that the Russians were rapidly advancing in the east and occupied the Amur region. Already during the years of the Eastern (Crimean) War, the British, with the support of the French, tried to knock us out of the Far East. But their landing at Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was repulsed.

Then the Britons decided to pit us against the Japanese. Japan woke up from an age-old sleep, rapidly modernized, built railways, a fleet and created a modern army. She needed resources. This means that the Japanese must be pitted against the Russians. Several major tasks are being solved in one fell swoop: 1) Russia is stopped in the east and again turned to the west, where a new trap is being prepared (war with Germany); 2) Japan is being pitted against China and Russia, creating a hotbed of tension on the planet for a long time (it still exists!); 3) distract the Japanese from a dangerous southern direction for the Anglo-Saxons: towards the southern part of China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia and Australia; 3) receive all kinds of economic advantages, the sale of weapons, ships, ammunition, goods, financial stranglehold (loans). As a result, they finish off weakened geopolitical opponents and get everything.

USA comes into play


The British have found an ally in this game - the United States. A new imperialist predator who immediately set the maximum task: dominance on the planet. The strengthening of the Russians in the Pacific and in China worried the Americans too. They have already absorbed foreign possessions, including Russian America, in North America (except Canada), and established their sphere of influence in Latin America. Having captured during the war with Spain (1898) its last possessions in Latin America (Cuba, Puerto Rico), Guam and the Philippine Islands, the United States also began to claim hegemony in the Pacific Ocean. Washington wanted to set the Japanese against China and Russia in order to protect itself in the south. Let the Japanese fight for Sakhalin, Primorye and Kamchatka. The Russians had to be pushed back from the ocean and locked in the depths of the continent. Otherwise, Russia could become a strong rival in the region.

That is, the interests of Britain and the United States coincided at this stage. True, then the Americans planned to oust the British too, occupy their sphere of influence, and subjugate China. France, in turn, feared that the Russians would get too carried away by affairs in the Far East, forget about the alliance with them, and they would be left alone against Germany. Therefore, France needed that Russia left the East, returned to Europe. Germany was late for the division of the colonies and also wanted to gain a foothold in China. On some issues, her interests coincided with the Russians. Germany and Russia could have formed an alliance in the Far East, but this chance was not used.

The conspiracy machine started spinning. To play off the Russians and the Japanese, they used everything. They allowed Japan to defeat China in an exemplary manner, but they immediately gave it up, took away most of the booty. At the same time, the Russians were set up, it seemed to the Japanese that Russia was to blame for everything. Anti-Russian hysteria began in Japan. Used the Korean question, which is sensitive to Tokyo. Indecision and short-sightedness of Tsar Nicholas II, greedy for profits Russian businessmen who did not want to give in in Korea. The "agent of influence" Witte did a good job, drawing Russia into a trap. At the same time, all methods disrupted the development of our naval forces in the Far East. Simultaneously, Britain and the United States are vigorously pushing Tokyo to attack the Russians. The British in 1902 conclude a defensive alliance with Tokyo. The Anglo-Saxons help the Japanese build a modern fleet (some of the ships were sold). London and Washington give Tokyo money for militarization and war.

And the war began. The Russian military-political leadership slept through it. Although her script was clearly visible even before the start of the war. In particular, it was described by Admiral Makarov. The Japanese did not come up with anything especially. They repeated the plan for a war with China. Sudden blow, Russian withdrawal fleet from the game, seizing control over sea communications, landing amphibious armies, seizing Korea and Port Arthur before the arrival of the main Russian forces.

Japan knocked Russia out of Port Arthur, the plan for the creation of the Yellow Russia was buried (as well as the billions of rubles spent on it). Korea came under Japanese rule. Russia lost South Sakhalin. The Russians were locked up in Vladivostok, the Japanese blocked the exit from Primorye with the help of positions in the Kuriles, Sakhalin, Korea and South Manchuria. Our naval forces in the Far East were mostly destroyed. True, the Japanese were discouraged. The country was exhausted by the war, suffered heavy material and human losses, and ran into debt. And the booty was not as big as we wanted. Britain and the United States received the main benefits. They did a great job. Two skins were ripped off Japan: for weapons and loans with interest. Russia was driven out of the East, and under the guise of war, the British captured Tibet. A revolution was unleashed in the Russian Empire. The tsar could not be overthrown, but the rehearsal was glorious. The state was destabilized, all the centuries-old contradictions came out. The basis for future turmoil has been created.

The war and the first revolution caused a severe economic crisis, forcing the Russian government to fall into heavy debt to the West. Petersburg had to take from Western banks a huge loan of 2,5 billion francs for that time. With this loan, Russia was tied to France and Britain. He had to pay in blood on the fields of the First World War. Potential and extremely dangerous for the Anglo-Saxons, the alliance of Russians and Germans was thwarted. The Russian fleet, the world's third-strongest armored fleet, died in the Far East. English naval power grew even stronger.

Thus, the war with Japan unnecessary for Russia and the people gave rise to a chain of new negative consequences that dragged the Russian state into a new trap of 1914, which became fatal. There are excellent books on this topic by S. Kremlev: "Russia and Japan: play off!", "Russia and Germany: play off!"
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  1. Varyag_0711
    Varyag_0711 31 July 2020 06: 09 New
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    The unexpectedly quick death of Tsar Alexander III led to the fact that the Russian throne was taken by a poorly prepared person - Nicholas II. He was under the illusion that he still had many years of carefree freedom. But I had to accept the "heavy hat of Monomakh."
    "Poorly prepared"? Yes, the bloody Nikolashka should not have reigned at all, then you look RI would have existed for some more time and perhaps would have been reformed without blood into something like modern cardboard monarchies. This idiot, a misunderstanding on the throne, generally did anything, but not his direct duties. In foreign policy, in general, there are only continuous mistakes. It was necessary to be friends with the Germans against the Anglo-Saxons, you look and you would have kept your head in place.

    Our king is Mukden, our king is Tsushima,
    Our king is a bloody stain
    The stench of gunpowder and smoke
    In which the mind is dark.

    Our king is blind misery
    Prison and whip, trial, execution,
    King of the gallows, twice as low
    What he promised, but did not dare to give.

    He is a coward, he feels with a hesitation,
    But it will be - the hour of reckoning awaits.
    Who began to reign - Khodynka,
    He will end - standing on the scaffold.

    And rightly so ...!
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 31 July 2020 09: 53 New
      -1
      each sentence in this article is essentially a separate heading for a series of articles.
      I will outline some points that I would like to know in more detail.
      -Japan according to OI was created by the USA, when the Americans forced Japan to abandon political seclusion. They write that the Americans landed troops and they say Japan surrendered and signed all the treaties. How can it be that the country would capitulate to some kind of landing? It was necessary to pull the troops and push this landing into the sea, as is usually the case. Here, something is wrong. Most likely there was again some kind of big war, like the WHOLE WORLD with China in 1900. about which we know nothing.
      Further after the war, the Japanese nobility began to study in English and other European educational institutions and Japan began to Europeanize, the Japanese abandoned their culture and switched to wearing European costumes, the cities began to resemble European and American ones. Japan SUDDENLY abandoned its culture in favor of the so-called world culture.
      -Moment two -YAV.
      How can it be that the HUGE STATE of the Russian Empire suddenly lost to the tiny Asian state? Neither human reserves, nor industrial power, nor military traditions are comparable. Even if there was not even a successful naval adventure - the Battle of Tsushima, then on land Russia was a clear favorite, the Chinese Eastern Railway was already ready and communication with the Far East was in effect, RI could transfer its huge army and defeat the Japanese ground forces, but did not.
      There is only one answer - refusal to continue the war, i.e. the end of the war with Japan is the order of Nikolai2. In fact, it was Nikolai who simply gave the Russian influence on the Far East to the emerging new state - militarist Japan. In fact, it was Nikolai, along with the rest of the European and social states, who took part in the creation of Japan and its militant policy.
      In short, we see that Japan is a product of Western politics and the creation of this aggressive state in the east is exactly the same as, say, the creation of hostile Poland and Finland, and later Ukraine in the east. Therefore, Japan can never have ANY ALLIANCE with Russia. Japan was created in order to always be hostile to Russia. How is this done? This is apparently the main issue of world politics. However, the technology of creating a hostile state can now be easily traced on the example of this new Ukraine, who created this state and who now controls it, just like Japan and China and the rest of the environment hostile to Russia.
      1. Etherion
        Etherion 31 July 2020 13: 35 New
        +4
        "Here, something is wrong. Most likely there was again, some kind of big war ... about which we know nothing." - you don't have to read further. Conspiracy theories, speculation.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 31 July 2020 14: 47 New
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          Quote: Etherion
          "Here, something is wrong. Most likely there was again, some kind of big war ... about which we know nothing." - you don't have to read further. Conspiracy theories, speculation.

          do not read ...
        2. unknown
          unknown 31 July 2020 22: 51 New
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          Any action against a party that has not been notified of this is a conspiracy.
      2. saigon
        saigon 1 August 2020 20: 03 New
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        Timur find the work of Commander-in-Chief Kuropatkin about that war and you will understand a lot.
        The CER is strongly said to read about the capacity of this road at the beginning of the war in memory of 8 pairs of trains per day. Transib with ferries on Lake Baikal, the system of mobilization of the RI army did not provide an opportunity from the first days of delivery of high-quality replenishments.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 1 August 2020 21: 10 New
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          Quote: saigon
          Timur find the work of Commander-in-Chief Kuropatkin about that war and you will understand a lot.
          The CER is strongly said to read about the capacity of this road at the beginning of the war in memory of 8 pairs of trains per day. Transib with ferries on Lake Baikal, the system of mobilization of the RI army did not provide an opportunity from the first days of delivery of high-quality replenishments.


          this is nonsense, who wants to look for a way, who does not want to - the reason. To give up their lands without using all the opportunities is a crime.
      3. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 2 August 2020 12: 56 New
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        Quote: Bar1
        Japan SUDDENLY abandoned its culture in favor of the so-called world culture.

        "The Last Samurai" movie in the theme
      4. georgiigennadievitch
        georgiigennadievitch 3 August 2020 09: 28 New
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        In general, one could agree with the position of the author, with the exception of some fundamental points. 1) Under A-3, the military-political leadership of the Russian Empire at that time, it was clear that in Europe things were heading for a big war. in the land blockade in Europe, which accounted for the lion's share of its foreign trade, equipment and know-how. It was decided to build a railway to the ice-free harbor in Murman, and there to build a powerful port through which it would be possible to carry out sea trade with Europe (Which, in fact, had to be done in a hurry after the outbreak of the First World War.) After the death of A-3, these plans were scrapped. Instead, the Chinese Eastern Railway, the seaport Dalniy and the naval base Port Arthur were built on foreign Chinese territory. It was a gross geopolitical mistake, which a) was a "road to nowhere", because there was nothing to carry such a long and round road from Russia to the Far East and from there to Russia at that time, it was expensive and for a long time; b) It led to an unnecessary war with Japan, which regarded this construction as an attack on its interests and sphere of influence; c) Everything built in the end went to China. 2) As for the signing of peace with Japan, it was another a gross mistake of Nick-2. Japan "fizzled out." The money from the Americans and the British ended and could not continue the land war in the Far Eastern theater of operations. It was Japan, despite all its victories, requested peace and peace negotiations. In Russia, it finally earned in The brainchild of the A-3 Transsib. In a week, an army corps was transported along it from the central and western military districts to the Far East. By the time negotiations began, there was already a million-strong group of troops in the Far Eastern theater of operations. If the war continued on land, Japan would have inevitably suffered defeat. And then the overall result of the war would have been in favor of Russia. But Nik-2 was more afraid of the Japanese people and the revolution than the Japanese, and therefore went to this shameful and completely unnecessary peace.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 3 August 2020 09: 32 New
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          Quote: georgiigennadievitch
          Instead, the Chinese Eastern Railway, the Dalny seaport and the Port Arthur naval base were built on foreign Chinese territory.

          and how is it "on a foreign territory"? Who allowed them to build on "foreign" territory? Maybe Manchuria was not a stranger?
          1. georgiigennadievitch
            georgiigennadievitch 3 August 2020 12: 22 New
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            The territory was and remains Chinese. And about what, who and how allowed to build, this is a separate question. If you are interested, then try to find it. Although I am not sure that there is no exhaustive information about this.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 3 August 2020 14: 51 New
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              I know without you whose territory it was and who lived there.
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 31 July 2020 06: 15 New
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    And what is the meaning of this pamphlet? Oh, what bastards the British were, pursuing a pragmatic foreign policy. It's okay not to try to let your competitors grow stronger.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 31 July 2020 07: 43 New
      +3
      Well, yes, okay. Moreover, Russia from time to time was friends with Germany and France against England, or vice versa, with the British against the French or Germans.
      And Germany is still a "friend" of Russia and of the Slavs in general. Perhaps starting with Otto.
      1. unknown
        unknown 31 July 2020 22: 57 New
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        The theory of the opposition of "Germans" and "Slavs" in historical science has undergone significant evolution.
        At the first stage, it was believed that there was nothing in common between them.
        At the second stage, it is recognized that the "Slavs" are part of the "Germans".
        Now, when, as a result of genetic research, it became clear that the Russians are a genetically single people, while the Germans and the British are genetically heterogeneous, that is, "trash", we are on the verge of the third stage, when the "Germans" are recognized as part of the "Slavs."
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 August 2020 17: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: ignoto
          genetically heterogeneous

          There are no genetically homogeneous peoples at all. Even the most insular ethnic groups are not homogeneous. Although very often in a particular people, certain haplogroups predominate.
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 31 July 2020 10: 40 New
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      And what is the meaning of this pamphlet?

      Throw firewood into the firebox of anti-Anglo-Saxism. They are now thought of as the main enemies at the top. And the idea is simple, in all the wars Russia was drawn by the Anglo-Saxons, including Ukraine and Syria.

      More or less reliably one can only say about Afghanistan, where the Americans worked subtly to the campaign.
      1. unknown
        unknown 31 July 2020 23: 00 New
        +3
        Americans are not Anglo-Saxons.
        Of the forty-three percent of the white population, forty percent are descendants of German settlers.
        China has worked subtly in Afghanistan. The destroyed Amin was a Maoist. Throughout the war, the shadow of China loomed behind Pakistan.
  3. ism_ek
    ism_ek 31 July 2020 06: 50 New
    +4
    It was a mistake to climb into Manchuria. The pursuit of personal enrichment overshadowed the eyes of some of the tsarist ministers.
    Western bankers were ready to invest in the CER, but it would never have become completely Russian. The construction of railway along the Amur, across the Russian territory is expensive, costly, long and at its own expense. The Transib would have reached the Pacific Ocean ten years later. All these ten years, its potential could not be fully exploited.
    1. unknown
      unknown 31 July 2020 23: 05 New
      +1
      Near the under-equipped Port Arthur, the grandiose commercial port Dalniy arose, to which the railway was pulled. For what ? To trade with whom?
      There were no Pacific tigers then.
      What kind of raw materials were exported from China?
      And India has never been any pearl of an empire.
      The main resource of this region from the Poconian centuries is opium.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 1 August 2020 10: 07 New
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        There were no tigers, but nevertheless, 58% of the world's population lived in Asia at that time. (500 million in China, 300 million in India, 50 million in Japan) Asians could sell oil products, wheat. Here Russia rigidly intersected with the United States. It was possible to export rubber and tea from Asia. Tell us what paths used to bring tea from China? Camel caravans reached Chelyabinsk
  4. nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 July 2020 06: 54 New
    +1
    In fact, Russia provoked this war with its weakness. Pikul's novel "Wealth" describes how the Americans and the Japanese ruled in Kamchatka, in Vladivostok. The appointed head of this region tried to change the state of affairs, and almost ended up in a Russian psychiatric hospital. The collector of medals and orders told me that there was a special price for the medal for the victory over Japan, but since the victory faded away, this medal disappeared. And somehow they broke the Samara Philharmonic, and in the basement the son of this collector found a bag with these medals. There is a lot of money in the first couples, but since there were many medals, the demand fell.
  5. Undecim
    Undecim 31 July 2020 06: 56 New
    +4
    Reading this delirium, one gets the impression that Russia is a country-endured, headed by the suckers-Romanovs, over which the Anglo-Saxon authorities scoffed all the time, insolently using it for their own selfish purposes.
    Maybe the author's goal is to form such a perception of Russia?
    1. unknown
      unknown 31 July 2020 23: 14 New
      0
      From the point of view of astrology, vector connections exist between people and countries.
      In each such connection, one side is the servant, the other is the master.
      In a pair the Rat - Horse, the first (Britain) is the master, and the second (Russia) is the servant.
      The Romanovs, according to alternative theories, did not have a three-hundred-year reign at all, but received the throne as a result of a successful marriage. Then they destroyed the representatives of the old dynasty, lost control, organized a revolution, and under its cover they took out assets, nullifying their obligations.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 31 July 2020 07: 25 New
    +1
    Firstly, the Chinese cultivated opium poppy themselves, and used it, long before the British with the French. In America, ours did not behave in the most intelligent way. They knocked out almost completely a sea animal in Alaska, rushed on. to California. And they were constantly starving, sick with scurvy. California is a fertile land, plow the fields, plant grain, it's useless, they bought bread from the Spaniards. In short, the British are to blame. I wonder what kind of devil the British needed Tibet, there is nothing but a stone.
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 31 July 2020 10: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Free Wind
      First, the Chinese cultivated opium poppy themselves, and used it, long before the British with the French.


      well this is a lie, how do you know this? If China cultivated its own poppy, then China would have developed a culture of drug use. But the explosive and widespread phenomenon of opium use suggests that the Chinese and all the other peoples of those nations met this phenomenon for the FIRST time.

      Quote: Free Wind
      In America, ours did not behave in the most intelligent way. They knocked out almost completely a sea animal in Alaska, rushed on. to california

      this is the second lie from you. The Europeans and especially the Americans knocked out the sea animal, as they destroyed their bison in the country, and destroyed the Steller's cow, knocked out the seals and sea otters, and this happened after the sale of the Russian America / Alaska
      -alaska-a / anti_laska / raska / rus

      Quote: Free Wind
      California is a fertile land, plow the fields, plant grain, it's useless, they bought bread from the Spaniards.


      and again not so. Part of California and the present state of Oregon belonged to RI, and this is quite according to OI, just do not talk about it. The Ruska River flows in California. This is very fertile land.

      1. Free wind
        Free wind 31 July 2020 13: 42 New
        +1
        They cooked porridge from poppy, made tinctures, when they got acquainted with tobacco, they began to mix and smoke. In China, poppy grows quite normally, and before the Europeans, the Chinese were quite addicted to drugs. In Alaska, ours did not come across much with the Europeans. Europeans were whaling, whale oil, blubber was prized. The Russians were engaged in the fur trade. And these are several different types of beasts. And different ships, the whaler's holds are crammed with barrels for fat. Fishing for fur animals is carried out on rookeries and from small boats. It's not a problem for a small team to fill up a couple of dozen cats, but they need to be sanded, then salted, or made, and this is all done on the shore.
      2. unknown
        unknown 31 July 2020 23: 16 New
        0
        On the territory of China, there are no burials of representatives of the yellow race over one hundred and fifty years old.
  7. Olgovich
    Olgovich 31 July 2020 07: 47 New
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    The last tsars from the Romanov dynasty were not up to par. The only exception was Alexander III the Peacemaker. During his reign, Russia did not allow itself to be drawn into any war. At the same time, we expanded our possessions in the south, in Turkestan it was in our national interests. And they began the construction of the Great Siberian Route, which sharply strengthened our military-strategic and economic positions in Siberia and the Far East

    The author looks ridiculous: if we compare how much Russia and the Russian people grew during the last Romanov and that OGRYZOK from Russia and the extinction that left his "society of service and creation", then the Emperor is at an unattainable height: in 24 years of Nicholas II, Russia grew by TRIST thousand km2 and the population has grown by FIFTY percent.

    Russia was set up twice, pitted first with the Japanese and then with the Germans. Both wars were unnecessary, extremely dangerous for the empire

    Countries are NOT DOGS that you can "play off": Japan and Germany are two CONSCIOUS predators by themselves, eager to fight for resources and markets.

    Russia did EVERYTHING to avoid these wars, pursuing an exclusively PEACEFUL foreign policy, becoming the INITIATOR of ending ALL and FOREVER wars in the world, prohibiting weapons of mass destruction, introducing rules for the treatment of prisoners, etc. (The Hague Conventions of 1899,1907, XNUMX (

    ... TWICE she pushed back WWI in 1908 and in 1912, until the last second she fought for peace in 1914.

    But two BEasts were eager to fight and nothing could stop them. By the way, the same animals repeated the attacks in a much more terrible form and in WWII and the "service society" could not stop in any way, moreover, they "managed" to remain LONELY and take the main blow.

    Russia in WWI managed to make Anglo-Franks the main cannon fodder, but the "society of creation" - on the contrary ...
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 31 July 2020 08: 02 New
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      Olgovich (Andrey)
      The author looks ridiculous: if we compare how much Russia and the Russian people have grown under the last Romanov
      For the seriously ill and the monarchy, I would like to inform you that population growth is not always an indicator of stability and well-being.
      Look at the countries of Africa, where population growth is increasing, while these are the poorest countries with constant hunger and disease.
      What kind of territory did RI grow into under the last Romanov?

      Again, for you personally, it was the last ampirator, coupled with his crazy little wife, that brought RI to collapse. During his reign, RI only lost and lost. So all the victims of Khodynka, the Russian-Japanese, bloody resurrection, WWI and, as a result, the GW on his conscience, knowingly called him bloody.
      And he finished as he should, he and his little wife went to the Ipatiev house in a planned and purposeful manner!
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 31 July 2020 08: 15 New
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        Alexey hi why do you waste time and energy trying to prove to the patient that he is sick. Believe my experience, this "unique" is not worth it, a clinical case of neglect of the brain, if it can be called a brain at all.
        To listen to him, milk rivers flowed in the Republic of Ingushetia with jelly banks, the peasants were all literate, they never went hungry and adored their monarch. But then the terrible Bolsheviks came (by the way, it is not clear how they even appeared in the Republic of Ingushetia, they were thrown from Mars, they were brought in from Germany on a special flight laughing ) and spoiled the idyll of Olgovich ... Straight pichal-bid. crying
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 31 July 2020 10: 29 New
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          But then the terrible Bolsheviks came (by the way, it is not clear how they even appeared in the Republic of Ingushetia, they were thrown from Mars, they were brought in from Germany on a special flight laughing

          They flew like flies on honey, as best they could. And not only the Bolsheviks.
          But the main ones were traveling in a sealed carriage, you are right, this is no longer a secret. And how else to cross the borders of the belligerent states, not to crawl at night in a camouflage coat across the front line.
        2. unknown
          unknown 31 July 2020 23: 22 New
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          And they sailed from the USA with Trotsky.
          Including Nikolai Karpov, the first of the prototypes of "Lenin's grandfather."
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 July 2020 08: 36 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        For severely sick in the head I report that population growth is not always an indicator of stability and prosperity. Look at the countries of Africa, where population growth is growing, while these are the poorest countries with constant hunger and disease.

        Yeah, what are the ITIOT Western countries that pay RUNNING money for newborns. yes

        People -MAIN wealth and the resource of the country, hack it on your forehead.
        There are people, the country has a FUTURE and a perspective.

        Got it, no?
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        What kind of territory did RI grow into under the last Romanov?

        This is for school, here is not an educational program for ignoramuses
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Again, for you personally, it was the last ampirator, coupled with his crazy little wife, that brought RI to collapse. During his reign, RI only lost and lost. So all the victims of Khodynka, the Russian-Japanese, bloody resurrection, WWI and, as a result, the GW on his conscience, knowingly called him bloody.
        And he finished as he should, he and his little wife went to the Ipatiev house in a planned and purposeful manner!

        Russia under him INCREASED TERRITORIES and POPULATION-compare with horror -the result of the "society of creation".

        The Civil War was unleashed by the ministers of the "society of service", its result in terms of victims is SIX PMA, another outstanding result of the "society of creation" is FOUR PMA in one peaceful year 1932-33.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 31 July 2020 08: 52 New
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          Olgovich (Andrey)
          Yeah, what are the ITIOT Western countries that pay RUNNING money for newborns. yes
          What does the country of the West have to do with it? Or don't we know how to read? Western countries are now dying out, the influx is mainly due to migrants, which is why the money is paid. It was about the poorest countries in Africa, where, despite poverty, the population is growing without any additional payments from the state.
          This is for school, here is not an educational program for ignoramuses
          That is, in essence, there is nothing to answer? Because under the last Romanov, RI only lost territory, but did not grow them in any way. Mediocre and ignorant, he goes to school ...
          GV unleashed by ministers of the "service society"
          Again by. The GW was unleashed by the so adored Bulkokhrusty gentlemen.
          So again go to school, as grandfather Lenin bequeathed: study, study and study again!
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 July 2020 09: 58 New
            -10
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            What does the country of the West have to do with it?

            Given that people also live there
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            That is, in essence, there is nothing to answer? Because under the last Romanov, RI only lost territory, but did not grow them in any way

            In essence, you are answered: TO SCHOOL, this is not an educational program.!
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Again by. The GW was unleashed by the so adored Bulkokhrusty gentlemen.

            GW before the thief did not have, it happened after the THIEF-read OUR foreign tourists from Switzerland, ignoramus.
        2. Hantengri
          Hantengri 31 July 2020 10: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: Olgovich
          Yeah, what are the ITIOT Western countries that pay RUNNING money for newborns.

          I wonder why? Has the birth rate really fallen below the floor? Here, after all, what long arms these terrible Bolsheviks had, even the damned reached the prosperous countries of the West!
          Quote: Olgovich
          People are the MAIN wealth and resource of the country, hack it on your forehead.
          There are people, the country has a FUTURE and a perspective.

          Olgovch, if you, for a second, stop being hysterical and splashing around with liberal-humanistic saliva, then you may notice that urbanization and scientific and technological progress, as a rule, lead to a decrease in the birth rate in all developed countries.
          I don’t know about you, in parallel elven reality, but here, in the real world, there is such a process of “demographic transition”. Its essence is that any country goes through three demographic stages in the course of its socio-economic development.
          On first of these, the population is growing slowly, since the high birth rate is offset by an equally high mortality rate.
          On the second thanks to the development of medicine, mortality is sharply reduced, while the birth rate remains high. As a result, population growth increases dramatically.
          On third there is a decrease in the birth rate and, as a result, a decrease in population growth. The reasons for the decline in the birth rate lie in the transition of the bulk of the population to an urban lifestyle, the emancipation of women, etc.
          Quote: Olgovich
          Got it, no?
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      3. unknown
        unknown 31 July 2020 23: 19 New
        -5
        Especially when you consider that in 1918 the royal family in full force was taken to Great Britain on the battleship Marlboro, where Nicholas II supposedly continued his reign under the name of George the Fifth.
    2. Kwas
      Kwas 31 July 2020 08: 56 New
      +2
      You, I see, are an intelligent person, but you don't love the USSR to the point of colic, not otherwise a descendant of a prince or a kulak. Well, it happens. In my family as a whole, the communists were also disliked, as they belonged to the upper middle class. But here I offer information for thought. In our (Russian) tradition of upbringing, the role of "family legends" is very important, and this is somewhat correct, it gives some independence from propaganda. But as a result, a person looks in many ways "through the eyes of the family." And naturally, a descendant of a nobleman looks with completely different eyes than a descendant of a serf, and he is looking for just such information, and does not look at anything else. Why not try to "rise above" this barrier?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 July 2020 10: 08 New
        -6
        Quote: Kwas
        , but don't love the USSR to the point of colic

        Our country is the best in the world and it is impossible not to love it.

        No one is obliged to love modes
        Quote: Kwas
        And naturally, a descendant of a nobleman looks with completely different eyes than a descendant of a serf, and he is looking for just such information, and does not look at anything else. Why not try to "rise above" this barrier?

        belay Where can you rise above my Russian ancestors, the peasants, whom the former robbed, destroyed, exiled and humiliated?
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 31 July 2020 14: 19 New
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          Olgovich (Andrey)
          Where can you rise above my Russian ancestors, the peasants, whom the former robbed, destroyed, exiled and humiliated?
          Gentlemen, comrades, please pay ATTENTION ... !!!
          We have bulkokhrust and sycophants of "Russia which we have lost", olgovich sharply changed his way of life in the air and became a "DESCENDANCE OF PEASANTS" ...! Please note that to this day he was considered a descendant of some kind of noblemen, whom the "bloody Bolsheviks" deprived of their "legitimate" estate.

          Deeply not respected LIAR, you either take off the cross, or put on underpants, then your ancestors from the nobility, then from the wealthy bourgeoisie, then now from the peasants (most likely kulaks) will be ?! You have to lie so as not to lie, otherwise you will look pale. A lie, sooner or later, always comes out, because it is not possible to remember to whom, when and what he lied.

          Russian peasant
          If only I learned to write correctly, ignorant ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 August 2020 06: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Gentlemen, comrades, please pay ATTENTION ... !!!
            We have bulkokhrust and sycophants of "Russia which we have lost", olgovich sharply changed his way of life in the air and became a "DESCENDANCE OF PEASANTS" ...! Please note that to this day he was considered a descendant of some kind of noblemen, whom the "bloody Bolsheviks" deprived of their "legitimate" estate.

            belay fool lol
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Deeply not respected LIAR, you either take off the cross, or put on underpants, then your ancestors from the nobility, then from the wealthy bourgeoisie, then now from the peasants (most likely kulaks) will be ?!

            On the table, liar, proof of my similar claims.

            You can not? Who are you after that, you know, I hope?
            Shame ....
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            If only I learned to write correctly, ignorant ...

            this is not fully edited "ancestor-Russian peasant"

            And here it is:
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            remove the cross, or panties
            with a comma in front of the conjunction "and" - indeed, dense ignorance lol
            а
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            not init is possible
            spelled here MUCH, "expert".

            Shame ..... lol

            On the TOPIC there is nothing to say? Nothing, as always. One empty BATTLE.
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 31 July 2020 09: 52 New
      12
      Quote: Olgovich
      in 24 years of Nicholas II Russia has grown by TRIST thousand km2 and the population has grown by FIFTY percent.

      Laponka. Do you know what is the absurdity of the situation with the growth of the population of Russia with A2-H2? I understand, you don’t know. The rapid growth of the population was caused ... by the surplus population. Absurd? Yes? But nevertheless a fact. The population grew at the expense of the village. Cities could barely reproduce themselves. In working families, the average rate is 2 children. Three is already quite rare. so why did the village thrive? And because there was not enough land. Again absurd? But no. The reason is the annual redistribution of land. By eaters. Yeah. When a child there grows up to eat at least half of the size of an adult, and whether he grows up at all, that is not a fact. For half did not live up to 5 years, but more land will be cut already now. And if it grows up, in spite of everything, it does not die, then you can sell it into slavery at the age of 7-8. Well, or at 10, how lucky you are.
      Was there no slavery in Russia? With Nicky pineapple? Oh, is it? The institute of selling to apprentices existed quite well. Full slavery in general. The only time limited. I bought it for ten years at 7, and do whatever you want, up to 18-20 years. True, it was not recommended to kill, directly, such as with an ax on a kumpol. And if you score slowly, in a week or a month, then that's okay, it's Christian. You can, by the way, not even with your own hand. Just send to the neighborhood, with a note about disobedience, where the valiant police officers, at the request of the owner, will teach inaudibility. You can open a brothel, with young "students". There was a fuss about this, in the year 1894 or 96, in the Moscow City Complex, on the modern Kutuzov Avenue. The owner actively "used" 10-12 year old "students", and for a little money he could share. Little by little hushed up. Yeah. By the way, running from a "kind" owner was not particularly recommended. They returned. Through the same neighborhood and studying whips. True, you could go to the slums, like the Moscow trick. For there is no extradition from the trick. True, less than half of the children experienced the first winter there, but these are trifles, the main thing is the crunch of a roll. Yeah ..
      But in general, yes, there was a rapid population growth in Russia. And the fact that it was caused by hunger is no longer important. National flavor so to speak. You cannot understand Russia with your mind, you cannot measure it with a common yardstick. Yeah.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 31 July 2020 10: 35 New
        -6
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        The rapid growth of the population was caused ... by the surplus population. Absurd? Yes? But nevertheless a fact.

        yes, perhaps not just an absurdity, but some kind of absurdity.
        The growth of the population of any society, from the Russian of that period to, say, the society of the Muslim world of the present, is always large families and this is the standard way of life of these societies / peoples.
        In Russian society, there has always been a community i.e. WORLD, the world solved all problems. In the Russian world there were no widows with orphans who were abandoned by society, from which the Novgorod Veche and the Cossack CIRCLE went. The world also determined that the families that make up society cannot be small, because there has always been a high infant mortality rate, and since Peter the accursed there have been constant wars and the decline in the male population has always been high in Romanov Russia.
        The destruction of the Russian community by the Stolypin reforms that affirmed capitalism in the countryside and led to a decrease in the birth rate in the Republic of Ingushetia, and then in the Union.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 31 July 2020 11: 43 New
          +6
          Quote: Bar1
          yes, perhaps not just an absurdity, but some kind of absurdity.

          No paw. This is not absurdity, you just studied history not by numbers, but by popular prints.
          Quote: Bar1
          In the Russian world, there were no widows with orphans who were abandoned by society, from which the Novgorod VETCHE and the Cossack CIRCLE went

          Ola-la. How much pathos. And now dry chicks. 1902 year. The total number of institutions involved in the care of children in RI -1896. Of these, 1845 are for full residence. Plus 31 children shelter! And not all establishments were small. For example, the children's department of the Dolgorukov workhouse in 1895 had 100 children, in 1900 170, in 1903 there were already 220. And yes. There are still 3 years left before the start of the Stolypin reforms, which supposedly ruined the Russian pastoral.
          Now about those who did not end up in shelters. 1897 year. Myasnitskaya Charity Commission. Only in three shelters, 116 children were caught on the sly. According to the estimates of the commission itself, this is in the region of half, the rest fled. Look for the total number of shelters and other bedbugs in Moscow at the end of the 19th century. But the bill goes into the hundreds rather than tens.
          And about the life expectancy of vagrants. Survey of the charitable department of the Moscow City Council. 1911 year. Caught and interrogated 164 street children on the trick. Only 60 of them lived there for more than a year. I understand that the most experienced and slippery fled, but nevertheless, the tsiferki allow to estimate the mortality rate.
          I suppose the question of dairy and dairy accommodation of orphans in RI is closed? As well as about the blissful popular world, the circle and other attributes of pastoral-blessed Russia?
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 31 July 2020 12: 23 New
            -7
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Ola-la. How much pathos. And now dry chicks.

            Well, you don't see the forest behind the trees.
            The fact that Russian society has always relied on the WORLD and the community and has cultivated the priority of the public over the individual is a fact. But Russian society has always lived in a hostile environment built by the Romanovs.
            Serfdom and then the abolition of this right, when the peasants, in fact, did not receive land and imposes on the Russian society the whole burden of the existence of those years.
            It is quite natural that the land scarcity and the state-imposed order of land ownership did not correspond to the internal way of life of Russian society. The Russians did not live to grow monocultures in commercial quantities - it was a foreign way of life imposed by the Russian. And of course the Romanovs imposed such an order. When using land, when on the worst black soil, one culture was cultivated led to low yields, and as a result of this constant hunger and increased mortality among the peasants, and this is exactly how everything was arranged in the Romanov Republic of Ingushetia, so that the peasants would always live from hand to mouth.
            In large peasant families, the younger sons had to go to the city or to the army, or move to other lands, and there was always enough land in Russia. And on the father's land the eldest son remained to work. This order of existence was correct and natural.
            There are letters from travelers Olearius, Adams and others that have come down to us, which narrated how the Russians lived in the pre-Petrine era. For example, there was so much food that the half-eaten was simply taken out on the roads for those who could use it, Russian peasants wore brocade and pearls. But after Peter, this picture changed dramatically.
            In order not to strain yourself, to seek information on the life of Russian society in the pre-Peter the Great era, here is an old article by the historian Shambarov.

            https://topwar.ru/17142-valeriy-shambarov-rus-byla-bogache-zapada.html

            you look at history with a narrow gaze before the revolutionary period and do not see the full picture.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 31 July 2020 11: 43 New
        +8
        Lannan Shi
        Well, your opponent did not read Russian classics ... Apparently he did not even beat Vanka Zhukov, Anton Pavlovich, there was no extracurricular reading at school ... laughing hi love
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 July 2020 11: 50 New
        -7
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Laponka. Do you know what is the absurdity of the situation with the growth of the population of Russia with A2-H2? I understand, you don’t know. The rapid growth of the population was caused ... by the surplus population. Absurd? Yes? But nevertheless a fact. The population grew at the expense of the village. Cities could barely reproduce themselves. In working families, the average rate is 2 children. Three is already quite rare. so why did the village thrive? And because there was not enough land. Again absurd? But no. The reason is the annual redistribution of land. By eaters. Yeah. When a child there grows up to eat at least half of the size of an adult, and whether he grows up at all, that is not a fact. For half did not live up to 5 years, but more land will be cut already now. And if it grows up, in spite of everything, it does not die, then you can sell it into slavery at the age of 7-8. Well, or at 10, how lucky you are.
        Was there no slavery in Russia? With Nicky pineapple? Oh, is it? The institution of selling to apprentices did exist for itself. Full slavery in general. The only time limited. I bought it in ten years at 7, and do whatever you want, up to 18-20 years. True, it was not recommended to kill, directly, such as with an ax on a kumpol. And if you score slowly, in a week or a month, then that's okay, it's Christian. You can, by the way, not even with your own hand. Just send to the neighborhood, with a note about disobedience, where the valiant police officers, at the request of the owner, will teach inaudibility. You can open a brothel, s.

        And you hunt to waste time to gain such a number of neither?

        WHICH of the following can compare with this:
        1933 Yeiskiy district. The village Dolzhanskaya - 22 / II group G **** ate the corpse of her deceased sister.

        In the same village it was established that group D ***, remaining after the death of his father and mother with young sisters and brothers, ate the meat of brothers and sisters who died of starvation.

        St. Novo-Scherbinovskaya. In the 3rd brigade of the collective farm, his wife E *** hacked and ate her 3-year-old child,

        The cemetery found up to 30 corpses thrown out during the night, part of the corpses bitten by dogs. The corpse of the collective farmer REZNIK was cut in half, without legs, and several coffins were found there, from which the corpses disappeared.

        In the 3rd brigade, S *** 's wife drags the corpses of children from the cemetery and eats them.

        Page 3

        VOLODARSKY DISTRICT. In the village of Rudoye, leaving 3 small children at home, the sole owner I **** left the village. Having no food at all, by agreement with his older sister, a 9-year-old boy killed a 3-year-old girl (sister), after which they cut off her head and ate the meat of the corpse raw. etc.
        ,but?

        there was no such horror in Russia.

        your result is the border of the 17th century, the Russian cross and coupons for panties. Yeah.
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 31 July 2020 12: 13 New
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          there was no such horror in Russia.

          Olgovich, you stubbornly find yourself to notice the difference between: "There are no facts" and "There is no information about the facts, due to the fact that no one collected them." Those. You think that since there are reports of the OGPU in the USSR, it means that there were also Guzhas of famine. And since in the Republic of Ingushetia no one compiled such reports => there was nothing of the kind.
          I don’t understand how you can ignore such elementary things. Kostya (Kwas), here, suggested that you rise above the barrier separating blinkeredness from logical thinking, but you, apparently, are not capable of this.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 July 2020 12: 38 New
            -3
            Quote: HanTengri
            Quote: Olgovich
            there was no such horror in Russia.

            Olgovich, you stubbornly

            You stubbornly do not notice that I do NOT read you and do not answer.

            Apologize publicly for your mate and Mr., and then return to the circle of people.
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 31 July 2020 12: 54 New
          +7
          Quote: Olgovich
          there was no such horror in Russia.

          Smiled. Learn materiel dear.


          More than 10 people ate these types for two. Scientifically, that is, police established fact. The police of the Russian Empire established if chu.
          Traditions to eat a neighbor if hunger presses, in Russia, under a thousand years. However, all neighbors, even from the west, even from where, exactly the same was.
          Novgorod Chronicle:
          In the summer of 6738 [1230]:
          "inii simple child of rezaku people are alive and well, and other dead corpses are circumcising, yadyakhu; and friends to horse meat and dog and cats "
          Can I dig up on later times, for example, from the famine of the early 17th century, and not only, but the meaning? I’m not you, I don’t like to savor black stuff. She showed that yes, there was such a horror in Russia, and it’s enough.
          You just understand what it is. In 1913, 1 sergeant relied on 1 volost. And the parish is often 5 thousand of the population, and 6, and sometimes more. County town - 1 policeman for 500 souls. For a county with 50-150 thousand population - 20-50 police officers in total. By the way, there was no such thing as a criminal investigation outside the capitals and several large cities in principle. Political? This is yes, this is a good thing. Criminal? What for? We do not need this. The village is pre-revolutionary, it is an absolute mutual responsibility. And if they don’t hand over the criminal to you ... He can eat at least a dozen neighbors. But because of the famine of 1892, they told themselves about cannibalism. Yeah. But ... Censorship, splendor no way to break.
          But the 30s ... Here you will not spoil. The OGPU does not sleep. Only a person with a revolver issued by the state has the right to kill. Plus, under the USSR, they did not really like to pull out "hot" stories. Even about the past order. And so it was, yes. For example, the 1907 case of the eaten Kamov family. It's just that the morality of the elite of the 30s was slightly more developed than that of modern ones. So they did not drag the chernukha to public display.
          Dixi.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 July 2020 13: 43 New
            -4
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            In the summer of 6738 [1230]:
            "Iniya is a simple child for rezaku, people are alive and yadyakhu, and other dead corpses are pruning, yadyakhu; and friends for horse meat and dog and cats"
            lol
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            I can dig for later times, for example, for hunger start 17 centuries, and not only, but meaning?
            lol
            The meaning is yes, there is, to look at the nude that you collect. Because of SUCH A WILD HORROR of mass starving mortality, cannibalism, corpse-eating as with you in 1921,22, 24,25. 32,33,37,46,47 never happened in Russia. As in the world.
            so go ahead1
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            You just understand what it is. In 1913, 1 police officer relied on 1 volost. And the parish is often 5 thousand of the population, and 6, and sometimes more. County town - 1 policeman for 500 souls. For a county with 50-150 thousand population - 20-50 police officers in total.

            Of course, in a normal country of Russia there were 10 times fewer officials and supervisors than in a "nogodny" state.
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            But because of the famine of 1892, they told themselves about cannibalism. Yeah. But ... Censorship, splendor no way to break.

            on the barrel data... Your chatter is not interesting.

            And yes, a lot of writers, public figures, officials went and wrote about the famines. Freedom, sir, you know, yes ..
            The cannibalistic authorities, on the other hand, were silent like a fish about the millions of dead hungry citizens (WEALTHY people, as she stated).
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Plus, under the USSR, they did not really like to pull out "hot" stories.

            Still, "nogodny" power would fly off at the moment
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Even about the past order

            lol
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            For example, the 1907 case of the eaten Kamov family.

            It's a shame to compare the cannibalism of the lost Evenks in the taiga (let's remember the plane in the mountains not so long ago) and the MASS cannibalism on the black earth for you ...
        3. gsev
          gsev 31 July 2020 18: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: Olgovich
          there was no such horror in Russia.

          My grandmother, born in 1907, said that under the tsar there was always a threat of starvation. Under the communists it was hungry at the beginning of collectivization. During the war in their village, several old communist activists died of hunger. However, the war was not considered the most difficult and unjust time. Then the power of the village councilors was limited and those who worked well could provide food for their families. The death of these communists was considered in her eyes as a self-cleaning of society from the world eaters.
      4. unknown
        unknown 31 July 2020 23: 35 New
        -2
        What can you do. The totem animal of Russia is the Horse.
        Brains are separate, actions are separate. A strong-willed type of thinking, you know ...
        In Japan, entrepreneurs are generally not advised to marry women born in the Year of the Horse. Ruin - one hundred percent. No options.
      5. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 August 2020 05: 31 New
        +1
        ..... the absurdity of the situation ....
        This absurdity is even greater Lanon Shi.
        Since, the land was not given to all eaters! !!!!!
        Only the male gender was taken into account in the distribution of allotments. ... Only boys, guys, men. So they were needed in peasant families. But girls could also be born, on which land was not given (women were not given passports either)
    4. Ren
      Ren 31 July 2020 11: 05 New
      +8
      Quote: Olgovich
      in 24 years of Nicholas II Russia has grown by TRIST thousand km2 and the population has grown by FIFTY percent.


      For your reference:
      Nik2 (01.11.1894/15.03.1917/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
      1905 Loss of the South of Sakhalin, the Kwantung Peninsula, in favor of Japan

      At the time of 15.03.1917/XNUMX/XNUMX, there is no Courland, Lithuania, Poland, etc. in the European direction.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 July 2020 12: 09 New
        -5
        Quote: Ren
        For your reference:
        Nik2 (01.11.1894/15.03.1917/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        1905 Loss of the South of Sakhalin, the Kwantung Peninsula, in favor of Japan

        For you for KNOWLEDGE:
        1. under Nicholas: Bodokhshan, Land of FI, Land of Emperor Nicholas, Novosib Islands, Uryankhai Territory - more than 300 km000

        2. Kwantung Peninsula has never belonged to Russia
        Quote: Ren
        At the time of 15.03.1917/XNUMX/XNUMX, there is no Courland, Lithuania, Poland, etc. in the European direction.

        At the time of 11.1942 there is no Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova. Smolensk, Belgorod, Oryol and other regions.

        ps no "lithuania" existed in 03,1917.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 31 July 2020 07: 51 New
    +9
    Your own mediocre policy is always justified by someone's intrigues ...
  9. smaug78
    smaug78 31 July 2020 09: 11 New
    +3
    Again, the conspiracy and the poor student in history Samsonov has an aggravation laughing
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 31 July 2020 10: 12 New
    +5
    The conspiracy machine started spinning. To play off the Russians and the Japanese, they used everything. They allowed Japan to defeat China in an exemplary manner, but they immediately gave it up, took away most of the booty. At the same time, the Russians were framed, it seemed to the Japanese that Russia was to blame for everything.

    And why would the Japanese think so? Is it because Russia first, among other powers, demanded the return to China of Liaodong, which was transferred to Japan as a result of its war with China? And then, as soon as Japan returned the land to China, how did the same Russia rent Liaodong for 25 years for itself? wink
  11. Bagatur
    Bagatur 31 July 2020 10: 37 New
    +3
    Therefore, Russia could still avoid the trap of "friendship" with England and stake on building the Paris-Berlin-Petersburg axis, ????? France in an alliance with Germany? This is not possible after 1871! And for the Germany-Russia axis, Bismarck and Catherine the Great ruled in Berlin and Petersburg ...
  12. Bastinda
    Bastinda 31 July 2020 10: 50 New
    +5
    The Anglo-Saxons help the Japanese build a modern fleet (some of the ships were sold).
    And Russia? Nobody built anything? (Tsarevich, Retvizan, Varyag, etc.)
    And even Denmark embroiled us in the war by building the "Boyar" laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 31 July 2020 11: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Bastinda
      And Russia? Nobody built anything? (Tsarevich, Retvizan, Varyag, etc.)
      And even Denmark embroiled us in the war by building the "Boyar"

      He-he-he ... and if you look at what our mechanical engineers were doing in Britain at the end of the XNUMXth century, it turns out that the Anglo-Scassians helped build the Russian fleet at an accelerated pace. smile
    2. Hantengri
      Hantengri 31 July 2020 12: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Bastinda
      And Russia? Nobody built anything? (Tsarevich, Retvizan, Varyag, etc.)
      And even Denmark embroiled us in the war by building the "Boyar"

      10 squadron battleships, 5 armored cruisers, 7 cruisers of the 1st rank, 5 cruisers of the 2nd rank, 7 gunboats, 2 mine cruisers, 20 destroyers and 24 destroyers were supposed to be in the Pacific Ocean by 1905.
    3. BAI
      BAI 31 July 2020 17: 35 New
      +2
      RYAV Russia lost, having a colossal fleet advantage over Japan.
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 1 August 2020 18: 14 New
        +1
        So they beat me in parts! And this is not a whim, but geography. We had three fleets, each roughly equal to the entire Japanese. Chernomorsky was not sent. It would be reasonable to leave in the local seas only a minimum for defense, concentrating the rest of the core in open waters (eg in the north). But this was thought of much later.
  13. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 12: 20 New
    +7
    Quote: St Pepper
    But loving socialism decent, it cannot be unambiguous. Because decent people are disgusted with any abomination.

    Abomination? Hmmm. In my opinion, an abomination is when a baby receives from the birthright the opportunity not to do a fig, living and fattening at the expense of others. Considering at the same time their breadwinners are cattle.
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 31 July 2020 12: 33 New
      -2
      Quote: Kwas
      In my opinion, an abomination is when a baby receives from the birthright the opportunity not to do a fig, living and fattening at the expense of others. Considering at the same time their breadwinners are cattle.

      And you, my friend, are a revolutionary! And maybe even a Bolshevik! laughing
      1. unknown
        unknown 31 July 2020 23: 49 New
        -1
        Bolsheviks, part of the Comintern. The Comintern was financed from overseas.
  14. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 12: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    Our country is the best in the world and it is impossible not to love it.

    No one is obliged to love modes

    Then why not just give it credit? As Prilepin once said well: "- I love Soviet power very little, - slowly
    choosing my words, I answered. - He just doesn't particularly like her
    the type of people that I tend to disgust.
    She nodded: she understood.
    - It reconciles me to her, - I said.
    And I just did not understand your second passage, sorry. I meant "get higher" over family grievances.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 31 July 2020 12: 49 New
      -3
      Quote: Kwas
      Then why not just give it credit?

      To whom and for what?

      For ... the destruction of my country and the extinction of my people?

      Due and given: "by relics and oil"
      Quote: Kwas
      And I just did not understand your second passage, sorry. I meant "get higher" over family grievances.


      You meant some nobles. We are peasants. What does the family have to do with it?

      "I'm sorry for the State" (C)
  15. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 12: 52 New
    0
    Quote: St Pepper
    Because decent people are disgusted with any abomination.

    And further. I consider it an abomination a situation when a person receives from birth the right to hit others in the face, and they have no right to answer him.
    Thinking about this, you cease to wonder how in 1917-1918 many nobles, officers, officials, policemen, and even with families were brutally massacred. Which is also extremely disgusting. By the way, my great-grandfather fell under the distribution.
    1. unknown
      unknown 31 July 2020 23: 53 New
      -2
      Many nobles, soldiers, engineers, doctors are Germans.
      The first and second estate were destroyed.
      By the hands of the fourth.
      Not capable of control, but capable of destruction.
      This makes it easier to manage the occupied territory.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 1 August 2020 04: 06 New
        +3
        recourse
        So all the Germans were so straight?
        The fourth estate is it, peasants or workers?
        It turns out they are already robbers?
        Mutual terror was unleashed in the Civil War. Moreover, the struggle and destruction was conducted in spite of the class.
        About 25 years ago, I came across novels (trilogy):
        - Hops;
        - Red horse;
        - and ... I forgot.
        The life of representatives of all classes and their fate during the period of revolutions and the civil war in Siberia are reflected.
        Are there not enough examples when "sons from a plow or a hammer" became scientists, commanders or statesmen?
        In the realities of those years (early 20th century), the so-called. the "social elevators" did not work. There was a low availability of education.

        Always surprised by the motto - For faith! Tsar and Fatherland!
        Why not Motherland in the first place ?! Without her, there will be no faith.
      2. saigon
        saigon 1 August 2020 20: 16 New
        0
        However, in the Republic of Ingushetia, the first thing they looked at was the faith of the applicant and then at the nationality.
        Moreover, the Germans got people of different nationalities.
  16. Etherion
    Etherion 31 July 2020 13: 50 New
    0
    The article is good. I do not agree with everything, something mb is far-fetched. But the bottom line is good for understanding - there are no friends in politics. There are no friendly peoples, no hostile peoples. There are partners - simple and complex. All clever rulers and diplomats understood and understand this. In addition to the "cooks" represented by newly minted sofa analysts, naive guys like post-Stalinist grandfathers and a number of rulers of Ingushetia.
    Japan? Difficult partner. Turkey too. This does not make them enemies, you just have to work with them. Where are the friends? Belarus? I think Usatii has already shown all the friendship of peoples. Ukraine is the same. Brotherly people, brotherly people - where are these brothers now? Or maybe China? Who is trying to crush the entire world economy, behind it the culture, and then simply crush the population. I'm exaggerating, of course, but there are challenges. In this situation, the US is the enemy? Or not quite?
    You do not need to create enemies for yourself, then it will be more difficult to play off these "enemies".
  17. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 14: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    For ... destroying my country

    Well, in my opinion the Ros empire was not destroyed by the Bolsheviks, was it?
    Rather, on the contrary, it was the liberals who brought it to collapse by October 1917, as in 1991, right (not to consider Gorbach a Bolshevik!)? And the Bolsheviks saved it, by 1922 having collected the main part of the empire anew, by 1940 almost completely, and by 1953, having seized half of Europe and China as a sphere of influence. And as for the people, yes, it was a difficult time, but again it is very unfair to blame the Bolsheviks for everything. Not to mention, they were very different. For example, Zemlyachka would personally ... well, this ... And unfortunately, not everyone could be punished openly. Many had to be spanked on far-fetched pretexts. Take our time - in all fairness, almost the entire corps of capitalists, deputies, officials should be allocated to the expense or to prisons. And in the event of a civil war (God forbid), it will be so, and rather the first. With corresponding negative consequences. So it's better to solve the problem differently. The only thing that is better is that nuclear weapons are available, they will not climb from outside. Well, they could not ruin the energy sector with transport.
    1. unknown
      unknown 31 July 2020 23: 55 New
      +2
      Do not confuse the Bolsheviks and the Stalinists.
      Collected by Stalin.
      Having wrested the country from the Comintern.
      The Comintern paid back.
      A military conspiracy that smoothly spilled over into the catastrophe of 1941, and then, and finally, killing Stalin.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 1 August 2020 06: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Kwas
      Well, in my opinion the Ros empire was not destroyed by the Bolsheviks, was it?

      They destroyed the state of Russia, did they
      Quote: Kwas
      (Do not consider Gorbach a Bolshevik!

      Consider and still like the first Bolshevik was, flesh and blood of the regime, he was brought up and raised and supported.
      Quote: Kwas
      And the Bolsheviks saved it, by 1922 having collected the main part of the empire anew, by 1940 almost completely, and by 1953, having seized half of Europe and China as a sphere of influence.

      belay lol
      WHAT did they "collect"?
      ALL independence was declared with them, they were RECOGNIZED and formalized into a state. Russia became a union of sovereign STATES with the right to withdraw, which happened. Even the name of the country "RUSSIA" is REMOVED from the world map.
      Quote: Kwas
      And the Bolsheviks saved it, by 1922 having collected the main part of the empire anew, by 1940 almost completely,

      What reality do you live in? By 1940, they CUT FIVE MILLION km2 from Russia (see through the window)
      Quote: Kwas
      as a sphere of influence, taking another half of Europe and China

      lol for .... five -30 years? For the WILDEST resources, separated from the poor, war-worn people there? belay
      Quote: Kwas
      And as for the people, yes, it was a difficult time, but again it is very unfair to blame the Bolsheviks for everything.

      You should know one thing: to eat, dress and live in m2 in cities, as under Russia in 1913, people in the USSR were able only after FORTY years - see. Report of the CSB 55. Just think, a few of the hardest DECADES spent only on .... catching up.

      Outcome: borders of the 17th century, Russian Cross.

      And also their results - FIRST places in the world - on abortion, alcoholism, tobacco smoking, divorce, suicide - study the same. And the lack of freedom of speech, choice, meetings of parties, etc.
      Few?
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 1 August 2020 09: 58 New
        -1
        Well, let's continue the argument, since the opponent is making arguments! You cited the term "State of Russia", which needs clarification. Agree, the Russian Empire was not destroyed by the Bolsheviks! Since you claim that the Bolsheviks destroyed the "State of Russia", then the USSR, in your opinion, is also not Russia. Then what is your "Russia" - specify, please!

        Can Gorbach be considered a Bolshevik? No you can not. All his actions as head of the country were directed against the very essence of the teachings of Marxism-Leninism (no matter how we treat this teaching). He was just a fanatical adept of your loved ones
        Quote: Olgovich
        freedom of speech, choice, meetings of parties, etc.
        but this is by no means Bolshevism. In addition, he stood up for unlimited private property, which, you see, is the opposite of Bolshevism.

        What did they collect. Let's list. First, they organized an army, which by the fall of 1917 practically did not exist, and gradually organized the rest of the state structures, which also no longer existed. Secondly, they attached to the state what could still be attached. Poland and Finland were no longer possible. The union took shape on the principles between federal and confederal, it did not work out any other way, it was painfully everyone wanted "freedom". Whites proclaimed the slogan "one and indivisible", but as you can see, this did not inspire the people, at least then, and on those conditions (preservation of pre-revolutionary land ownership).

        As far as the east of Europe and China are firmly acquired, here we enter the "if only" area. Because "if I knew how everything would be" then it might be better to do nothing and die right away. So, if it were not for Khrushch, who discredited the entire direction, it is very possible that all of Europe would now be "in the social camp", for example, in Italy alone there was 2 million communist parties, and to defeat them (in addition to Khrushch), it took a real civil war, in which the mafia won with the support of the United States.
        Again, China withdrew because of the same malicious Khrushchev. You know what is interesting, in China now the favorite movie "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" and the favorite song "Moscow Nights". And plus India, which clearly chose the social path, but after the XX Congress changed the course.
        So the resources spent were "investments" that should have more than paid off.

        Further, about "catching up" in terms of living standards in cities:
        Consider how much larger the urban population has become.
        Consider the rise in amenities in both urban and rural areas. I list:
        Plumbing, Electricity, Sewerage, Medical Assistance, Kindergartens, Schools and other education.

        How do you like these arguments? Few?
        But I, by the way, am not a communist, and I quite admit to myself various negative things, which also existed. I would like to talk about the problem of choosing a path. Well, the Bolshevik path has its ... negative sides, but what would you suggest as a path? Reincarnation of the estate monarchy? Or maybe a hereditary financial oligarchy?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 August 2020 10: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Kwas
          means the USSR in your opinion, also not Russia.

          This is not my opinion, this is, first of all, according to YOURS, according to the Bolsheviks.
          Or imagine the claims of your leaders that the USSR is Russia. I fight the tale, there are NO such.
          Quote: Kwas
          Can Gorbach be considered a Bolshevik? No you can not. All his actions at the post

          It is possible and should: he is the PURE product of the system, born in it, brought up by it, raised and treated kindly.
          And his actions are purely Bolshevik, illiterate, revolutionary and wild.
          Quote: Kwas
          freedom of speech, choice, meetings of parties, etc.
          but this is by no means Bolshevism

          What nonsense? This is precisely what the Bolsheviks declared.
          Quote: Kwas
          ... First, they organized an army, which by the fall of 1917 practically did not exist, and gradually organized the rest of the state structures, which also no longer existed.

          It was not their business: for this, the PEOPLE chose the US, in the elections to which these "organizers" were sent to.
          Quote: Kwas
          ... Secondly, they attached to the state what could still be attached.

          They DISCONNECTED EVERYTHING from the state that could not have been imagined in a delusional dream (Odessa, Nikolaev, etc.), consistently recognizing the INDEPENDENCE of: Finland, Ukraine, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc., etc.
          Quote: Kwas
          The union took shape on the principles between federal and confederal, it did not work out otherwise

          What nonsense, huh? Belarusians from Minsk asked whether we should organize a "republic" (many objected). They answered YES!
          WHO and WHOM did you ask?
          The Odessa republic and the DKR called themselves RUSSIA. And where were they forced to?

          Do you even know that Russia entered the USSR with Mogilev, Orsha, Gomel and so on, but that in 1924 it was cut from Russia .... Belarus is still ... half of its territory?
          Smolyan, citizens of the RSFSR were asked, eh?
          Quote: Kwas
          As far as the east of Europe and China are firmly acquired, here we enter the "if only" area. Because "if I knew how everything would be" then it might be better to do nothing and die right away. So, if it were not for Khrushch, who discredited the entire direction, it is very possible that all of Europe would now be "in the social camp", for example, in Italy alone there was 2 million communist parties, and to defeat them (in addition to Khrushch), it took a real civil war, in which the mafia won with the support of the United States.

          AND WHAT would the regime have attracted to Europe? Hunger strikes until 1950, queues, communal apartments, lies, and Pravda? Do not be ridiculous: as soon as the reins weakened, and everyone TORNED from him.
          Quote: Kwas
          So the resources spent were "investments" that should have more than paid off.

          It was deliberately money wasted.
          And yes, the West invests FREE money and resources, our resources were ripped off from the people exhausted by hunger and war.
          Quote: Kwas
          Consider how much larger the urban population has become.

          Urbanization went up to the VOR, too, and the pace, on average, was not lower.
          Quote: Kwas
          Consider the rise in amenities in both urban and rural areas. I list:
          Plumbing, Electricity, Sewerage, Medical Assistance, Kindergartens, Schools and other education.

          I do not understand, and WHAT?
          Quote: Kwas
          What would you suggest as a way? Reincarnation of the estate monarchy? Or maybe a hereditary financial oligarchy?

          And then 1917 and now the choice of the people is the Republic.
  18. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 14: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    You meant some nobles. We are peasants. What does the family have to do with it?

    Didn't they accidentally dispossess your ancestors?
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 31 July 2020 15: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: Kwas
      Quote: Olgovich
      You meant some nobles. We are peasants. What does the family have to do with it?

      Didn't they accidentally dispossess your ancestors?

      Damn, I thought he was a distant relative. (From the Chernigov Olgovichi). laughing
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 31 July 2020 17: 46 New
        +5
        Two years ago, Olgovich wrote that he was one of the Bessarabian nobles, now he has signed up as a peasant .. smile
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 31 July 2020 17: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          Two years ago, Olgovich wrote that he was one of the Bessarabian nobles, now he has signed up as a peasant .. smile

          Fading! laughing
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 1 August 2020 05: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: parusnik
          Two years ago, Olgovich wrote that he was one of the Bessarabian nobles, now he has signed up as a peasant .. smile

          He also had a conversation with MORDVIN3, in which it was said that portraits of ancestors hang in the Hermitage. Also, even earlier, I remembered an article, probably Oleinikov, where Olgovich placed a photo of someone from the royal family and wrote without quotes --- they killed us. How to understand this, if not a hint of kinship? wassat tongue
          And I understand so ---- these are all different Olgovichi. request wassat laughing from different families, just one job and one nickname ...
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 1 August 2020 06: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: parusnik
          Two years ago, Olgovich wrote that he from the Bessarabian nobles, now enrolled in the peasants.

          On the table, you liar!

          Shame ...
  19. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    Quote: HanTengri
    And you, my friend, are a revolutionary! And maybe even a Bolshevik!

    I speak for the monarchists as a Bolshevik, and for the Bolsheviks as a monarchist! So that they both think more with their heads, and less with other parts of the body.
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 31 July 2020 19: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Kwas
      So that they both think more with their heads, and less with other parts of the body.

      You are an idealist. Immediately evident - tiligence! You don't know life. Why think, when you can: "Checkers are bald!" - and well, is it stupid to thresh on the keyboard without regaining consciousness?
  20. Kwas
    Kwas 31 July 2020 17: 15 New
    +1
    Damn, I thought he was a distant relative. (From the Chernigov Olgovichi). laughing[/ Quote]
    And you generally have strange views, for the side branch of the Rurikovich!
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 31 July 2020 17: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Kwas
      And you generally have strange views, for the side branch of the Rurikovich!

      "A lot of water has flowed under the bridge. Nobody remembers anything. And everyone who, at least something remembered, was soaked a long time ago" (c) Who knows ... "Apparently my grandmother sinned diver Narodnaya Volya "(c).
  21. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 31 July 2020 20: 04 New
    +3
    At the same time, we expanded our possessions in the south, in Turkestan it was in our national interests.

    A strange phrase. In fact, the annexation of Turkestan took place under Alexander II
  22. Kwas
    Kwas 1 August 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    Quote: HanTengri
    Quote: Kwas
    So that they both think more with their heads, and less with other parts of the body.

    You are an idealist. Immediately evident - tiligence! You don't know life. Why think, when you can: "Checkers are bald!" - and well, is it stupid to thresh on the keyboard without regaining consciousness?

    Raising awareness is a good deed approved by the Eagle!
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 7 August 2020 23: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Kwas
      Raising awareness is a good deed approved by the Eagle!

      And now, try to imagine what the monarchists, guardians and urya-patriots understood by the word "Eagle"! laughing
      PS And don't forget about the existence of the "dash".
  23. Kwas
    Kwas 1 August 2020 18: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Kwas
    means the USSR in your opinion, also not Russia.
    This is not my opinion, this is, first of all, according to YOURS, according to the Bolsheviks.
    Or imagine the claims of your leaders that the USSR is Russia. I fight the tale, there are NO such.

    I was not asking about their opinion, but about your personal opinion. For me, Russia has a continuous history - Empire / USSR / vile republic.

    Apparently, we will not agree on Gorbach's party affiliation. I suggest a compromise - he is either a cretin or a traitor.

    As for freedom of speech, etc., yes, of course the Bolsheviks declared this, like the overwhelming majority of parties, because the people like it. But firstly, this is not a defining feature of the doctrine, and secondly, you know yourself, everyone declares, but only nobody implements it. So so, the election slogan.

    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Kwas
    ... First, they organized an army, which by the fall of 1917 practically did not exist, and gradually organized the rest of the state structures, which also no longer existed.

    It was not their business: for this, the PEOPLE chose the US, in the elections to which these "organizers" were sent to.

    I will object twice: firstly, by October it was necessary to urgently establish management, otherwise EVERYTHING would have collapsed. And except for the Bolsheviks, no one wanted to do this, so they threw off the "temporary". Secondly, when the US could do it ... and most importantly, it showed complete inflexibility, did not want to come to an agreement with the current government (the Bolsheviks), Sverdlov's proposals (read?) Were not even discussed. After which the Bolsheviks and Left SRs left, and the US lost its quorum.

    Quote: Olgovich

    They DISCONNECTED from the state EVERYTHING that could not be imagined in a delusional dream

    They, like normal statesmen, recognized everyone they could not restrain, and joined everyone they could! By the way, from my point of view, "the right to self-determination of peoples" is bullshit. But people like it when asked.

    Quote: Olgovich
    AND WHAT would the regime have attracted to Europe?

    No matter how funny it sounds, IDEALS OF JUSTICE. If you think that people love the bourgeoisie, ask around on the street or anywhere else.
    And not only on the street. For example, the details of the "Manhattan Project" were completely voluntarily leaked to us by dozens of American physicists, for ideological reasons.

    Quote: Olgovich
    It was deliberately money wasted.
    And yes, the West invests FREE money and resources, our resources were ripped off from the people exhausted by hunger and war.


    Nobody knows the future. Predict what the dollar exchange rate will be in two years, and then check. wink
    And yes - we did not have free money, for we did not plunder colonies. All our efforts and achievements were mainly due to the Russian people. Personally, I do not like this, but the option in which the Russian people would become a colonizer and a slave owner, I like even less. Suggest an alternative.

    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Kwas
    Consider how much larger the urban population has become.

    Urbanization went up to the VOR, too, and the pace, on average, was not lower.
    Quote: Kwas
    Consider the rise in amenities in both urban and rural areas. I list:
    Plumbing, Electricity, Sewerage, Medical Assistance, Kindergartens, Schools and other education.

    I do not understand, and WHAT?


    As for the pace of urbanization - numbers on the table!
    You don't understand WHAT? This is the answer to your passage about "catching up on the level of urban life only in 40 years"! By the way, keep in mind that during these 40 years there were 3 hardest wars.

    And about the choice of the people in favor of the republic, I'm afraid you are wrong. Comparison of the voter turnout for the presidential elections and the Duma, which is already in everyone's liver, speaks volumes about this. Put the question of its dissolution to a referendum now - they will vote jumping up and down, with a turnout of about 100%. And my personal opinion is this: Parliament is a tool for protecting group interests, harmful to the people and the state!

    I propose to continue on some other topic.
  24. RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 1 August 2020 20: 28 New
    -2
    How simple it is with you, since everything happened with this emperor, it means he is to blame ... his predecessor has no prerequisites for the collapse of the empire ... It's funny ... Compare with today, nothing has changed. Under V.V. the country has risen from its knees of devastation 90, but even now "smart" people condemn it, which does little. Does he need to please all of you separately ??? To each personally come to ask ???
    In general, confusion. We did not live at that time, we cannot condemn. Maybe the court liars told Nicholas II how good everything was? We have about the Old Man off. they speak so well, but in reality, detentions for disagreeing with him ... So everything is relative. Whether I am right or wrong is up to you to judge!
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 7 August 2020 23: 56 New
      0
      Quote: RVAPatriot
      How simple it is with you, since everything happened with this emperor, it means he is to blame ... his predecessor has no prerequisites for the collapse of the empire ... It's funny ...

      Let's compare our, far from Saint Peter Alekseevich and the result of his solution to the problems and challenges inherited from Aleksey Mikhailovich, and the Great, Holy, Your Everything !!! - Nicolas # 2 (Worthless) and the result of this mediocrity of the tasks that she inherited from her father and grandfather!
      A very funny comparison comes out! You’re going to laugh! True?laughing
  25. Kapellan23
    Kapellan23 5 August 2020 01: 48 New
    +1
    Der warjag

    Up, oh comrades, everything is in places!
    The last parade is coming!
    Our proud Varyag is not surrendering to the enemy,
    No one wants mercy!

    All pennants curl and chains rattle
    Upward anchors rising.
    The ranks are preparing for the battle of guns,
    In the sun, glittering ominously.

    From the dock right we go to the battle
    Towards death threatening us
    For the motherland in the open sea we die
    Where are waiting for the yellow-headed devils!

    Whistles and thunders and rumbles around
    The thunder of the guns, the hiss of the shell,
    And our fearless, our faithful "Varangian" became
    Like a hell!

    In death agony tremble body,
    Around the roar, and smoke, and moaning,
    And the ship is engulfed in a sea of ​​fire, -
    The minute of farewell came.

    Goodbye, comrades! With God, cheers!
    The boiling sea beneath us!
    We didn’t even think with you yesterday,
    What will fall asleep today under the waves!

    Neither a stone nor a cross will say where they lay down
    To the glory we are the Russian flag,
    Only the waves of the sea will glorify forever
    The heroic death of "Varyag"!

    Rudolf greinz
    25 Februar 1904.

  26. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 September 2020 13: 59 New
    0
    It's modern.
    Someone screwed up - blame everything on the Anglo-Saxons ...