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What Soviet weapons the Nazis spoke well of: a few examples

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In order not to be accused of various mortal sins, I will immediately note that I am very far from praising the Nazi ideology, this is alien to me. I am also extremely negative about the Wehrmacht and its deeds on the territory of the USSR, because both of my grandfathers fought in the ranks of the Red Army, and one of them died.


This is something completely different. Firstly, that many citizens of our country have somewhat distorted ideas about the Great Patriotic War thanks to cinema. And it would be strange to blame him for this, because films are works of fiction, not documentaries. For this we love them.

Secondly, in my opinion, the contribution to the victory of the creators of the Soviet weapons and military hardware is underestimated. And the image of German weapons, I think, is even somewhat idealized.

We break stereotypes


To get the most unbiased look at the weapon of Victory, let's turn to the most uninterested experts - the soldiers and officers of the enemy army - the German Wehrmacht.

Even in old Soviet films, the offensive of the Nazis was shown in the form of German tanks accompanied by machine gunners. And they were usually opposed by the Red Army men with Mosin rifles and bundles of grenades, which were supported by small artillery batteries of "forty-five". Approximately such a picture remained in the subconscious of most of us when it comes to the Great Patriotic War.

In reality, the Red Army also had tanks that were not inferior in their characteristics to the German ones, and quite a few. And most of the German infantrymen usually had not machine guns at all, but carbines. Submachine guns, which are more commonly called submachine guns, were in small quantities. Soviet soldiers, by the way, were better provided with automatic weapons than the soldiers of the Wehrmacht.

"Daddy" or "little machine gun"


Although the Shpagin submachine gun was not the only type of automatic weapon in the Red Army, it was considered the most popular and widespread. The Red Army men respectfully called him "daddy".

Known and respected not only by Soviet soldiers, but also by the soldiers of the Wehrmacht, who called this weapon "a small machine gun". They considered it a great success to get it as a trophy. And not only because the Germans had a shortage of automatic weapons. German servicemen rightly considered the PPSh-41 to be a more advanced small arms than the German MP-40, which in the USSR for some reason began to be called "Schmeisser".


He had a higher density of fire and an effective range of fire. In addition, the massive wooden butt gave a great advantage over the German submachine gun, as it could be effectively used in hand-to-hand combat. It was also important that the PPSh disk could hold almost twice as many cartridges as the MP-40.

The popularity of Soviet machine guns in the German army turned out to be so great that the head of the SS, Heinrich Himmler, ordered the PPSh-41 to be modified so that standard German cartridges of 9x19 mm caliber were suitable for it.

The armor is strong and our tanks are fast ...


Before the start of the Great Patriotic War, the idea of ​​Soviet tanks in the German army was extremely vague. Faced with them in battle, the Nazis received an unpleasant surprise, which, for example, recalled one of the best military leaders of the Third Reich, Heinz Guderian. He wrote that the Soviet T-34 is superior in performance to any of the tanks that Germany had in 1941.

What Soviet weapons the Nazis spoke well of: a few examples

Guderian considered this war machine a big problem that was not easy to deal with:

Our anti-tank weapons of that time could successfully operate against T-34 tanks only under particularly favorable conditions. For example, our T-IV tank with its short-barreled 75-mm cannon was able to destroy the T-34 tank from the rear, hitting its engine through the shutters. This required great skill.

The guns of German tanks were unable to penetrate the T-34 armor. More precisely, they could do it, but only from a distance of no more than 500 meters, and only when they hit the side or stern. Whereas the T-34 was capable of destroying Wehrmacht tanks from a distance of 1,5-2 kilometers. Therefore, the most effective weapon against him was the 88-mm anti-aircraft gun among the Germans.

By the middle and end of the war, when the Wehrmacht acquired the famous heavy "Tigers", they were successfully opposed by Soviet IS tanks. The commander of the "Tigers" company Otto Carius, who had to deal with the IS in battle, considered this tank "at least equal" to German combat vehicles.

To the glory of Russian weapons ...


In the course of discussions about the advantages of Soviet weapons, it should be borne in mind that the Soviet Union faced a strong, cruel and merciless enemy, which by that time had crushed almost all of Europe under itself. And despite all the difficulties and hardships, the USSR managed to defeat the fascist beast and finish it off in Berlin. And this is the main thing.

A huge role in this Great Victory was played not only by the Red Army, but also by the home front workers, who managed to create perfect models of weapons and provide the troops with them. Their work was appreciated not only by the Red Army men, but also by the enemy defeated by Soviet soldiers.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 July 2020 19: 14 New
    28
    I don't like anonymous articles.
    This one is correct in content. The examples are correct, but ...
    Why is it so concise? !!! There are dozens of these examples! It was possible to develop a whole cycle with continuation, but here is a scanty concentrate. As if the author is afraid that they will start criticizing him now.
    1. Clear
      Clear 30 July 2020 23: 49 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      As if the author is afraid that they will start criticizing him now.

      It was clear from the first lines
      In order not to be accused of various mortal sins, I will immediately note that I am very far from praising the Nazi ideology, this is alien to me.
      Obviously Sergei Kuzmitsky has experience with such publications.
      Thank you, hi interesting article.
      1. Aag
        Aag 2 August 2020 18: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        As if the author is afraid that they will start criticizing him now.

        It was clear from the first lines
        In order not to be accused of various mortal sins, I will immediately note that I am very far from praising the Nazi ideology, this is alien to me.
        Obviously Sergei Kuzmitsky has experience with such publications.
        Thank you, hi interesting article.

        Similar impressions arose after reading the first lines of the article, -type, the author justifies himself in advance ... What, has already been so driven by the "alternative" (from the generally proclaimed), objective opinion?
        Further down the text, - also very carefully, I would even say - hesitant. In any case, - thanks to the author (I didn't write that either ... (().
    2. NF68
      NF68 2 August 2020 17: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I don't like anonymous articles.
      This one is correct in content. The examples are correct, but ...
      Why is it so concise? !!! There are dozens of these examples! It was possible to develop a whole cycle with continuation, but here is a scanty concentrate. As if the author is afraid that they will start criticizing him now.


      Here:

      http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/inhaltsverzeichnisHeer.htm

      The articles contain an assessment by the Germans of captured weapons.
  2. Snail N9
    Snail N9 30 July 2020 19: 25 New
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    Well, actually, it's somehow weak .... The Germans, besides the PPSh, especially respected the PPS-43, as well as the SVT and AVS ... This is from the shooter. They spoke differently about the T-34 ... some called it "blind" ... They respected KV.nu and IS more. The Russian ISU self-propelled guns were highly respected. They spoke about the planes ... well, let's say - "not bad", but "backward" in terms of technical equipment and convenience for the pilot - a muddy lantern, a hot, uncomfortable cockpit, complicated controls, etc. Surprisingly, in the memoirs of German pilots, respect slips to the Polikarpov "rat" -I-16, on which an experienced pilot was practically unattainable for the German aces. About the IL-2, mostly pejorative reviews, it is mentioned everywhere that "they took (the IL-2) in large quantities" .. None of the Soviet bombers received respect, except for .... Po-2 .... well, Tu- 2, of which there were very few (Tu-2). By the way, the Germans noted the rather successful use of such odious machines as the TB-3, when used correctly, at night, with their large bomb load and accurate bombing (due to low speed), they caused a lot of trouble to the enemy ..
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 30 July 2020 19: 41 New
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      About aviation. Back in 1968, a front-line colonel told me how, during the war, his platoon crossed a river, and then came under attack from our attack aircraft (they were late with a blow). It was then that he realized, lying in the funnel, that the Germans deservedly called the IL-2 the "black death".
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 30 July 2020 20: 16 New
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        It was then that he realized, lying in the funnel, that the Germans deservedly called the IL-2 the "black death".
        as "lucky". Zamulin, in his book about the Battle of Kursk, repeatedly gave examples of attacks by our aviators on their own troops - "1 person was wounded"
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 30 July 2020 21: 05 New
          +4
          Different qualifications of the pilots apparently
      2. Pavel57
        Pavel57 30 July 2020 20: 19 New
        +5
        Friendly fire is not uncommon in war. "The artillery hits its own."
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 31 July 2020 09: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: Aviator_
        It was then that he realized, lying in the funnel, that the Germans deservedly called the IL-2 the "black death".

        There is a similar example from the field of self-propelled artillery.
        ... threw and panicked everything, as if in paralysis, especially when neighbors stormed us by mistake, 3 self-propelled guns 152 m / m were hitting us with direct fire. Heaven and earth mixed, I don't know how the Germans like it, but I didn't like it.

        © Memorandum based on the materials of the military censorship department of the 6th Guards A.
    2. avia12005
      avia12005 30 July 2020 19: 42 New
      +3
      To the author's credit, this topic is very poorly reflected in Russian literature. But it would be necessary ...
      1. Umalta
        Umalta 30 July 2020 21: 32 New
        +6
        I believe that the author expressed the capital for the Soviet, Russian man of truth, but about silt 2, in vain you were a very successful car, although there was also Polmkarpov's car, better in performance, but difficult to manufacture.
        1. Train
          Train 31 July 2020 15: 26 New
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          By the year 2, the commander of the Air Force did not suit the IL-42 at all, and at all. They already knew and demanded the launch of the SU6 into production. But even when the IL-2 was in stock and the excess production of the SU6 did not start, and in fact it surpassed the IL completely .And how they did not yell and demanded the SU Air Force on the fronts, and now there
      2. Stas1973
        Stas1973 31 July 2020 04: 26 New
        +1
        Very well lit. Up to the German name when put into service.
        1. avia12005
          avia12005 31 July 2020 07: 15 New
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          I mean the Germans' comments about our weapons.
          1. Stas1973
            Stas1973 2 August 2020 11: 31 New
            +2
            Yes, here it is not the reviews, but the facts you need to look at. For some reason, the best T-34 was not used en masse, as well as the KV, none of the best aircraft (Il-2, Pe-2 and other Yaks) were accepted. But bad SVT and ABC - only on the way. The F-22 was also not very welcomed in the Red Army, but the Hans went with a bang. Mortar 120 mm copied. And reviews are very subjective
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 2 August 2020 13: 09 New
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              Quote: Stas1973
              The best T-34 for some reason was not massively used, as well as the KV

              And what does "massively" mean?
    3. figwam
      figwam 30 July 2020 19: 55 New
      +9
      The Germans adopted a lot of captured equipment, weapons and ammunition, you can develop a theme for each country in which Hitler invaded.
    4. Catfish
      Catfish 30 July 2020 20: 07 New
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      They spoke differently about the T-34 ... some called it "blind" ...

      Rightly noted, in the red is the absence of a commander's cupola and the fulfillment of the tank commander's duties as a gunner. In the German T-III and T-IV, this was not the case, the commander watched the situation on the battlefield from the turret, and the gunner was directly involved in his business. In the T-34/85, all this was fixed.
      ... PPS-43 was especially respected, as well as SVT ...

      As for the SVT, snipers of one of the most elite divisions "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" were all armed with SVT-40 rifles, albeit with Zeiss optics. hi
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 July 2020 20: 13 New
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        Quote: Sea Cat
        As for the SVT - snipers of one of the most elite divisions "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" were all armed with SVT-40 rifles, though with Zeiss optics

        There is an interesting series about the history of sniping in the Soviet army. It says that German sniper sights were superior to ours in optical quality, but inferior in design. And, if my memory serves me, the Germans stupidly copied our sniper scope.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 30 July 2020 20: 17 New
          +7
          I doubt that they copied exactly the optics, the quality of Zeiss sights would at times be a factor in any of our optics. True, the SVT sight was so strong that it could only be broken with a sledgehammer.
          1. Alf
            Alf 30 July 2020 20: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I doubt that they copied exactly the optics, the quality of Zeiss sights would at times be a factor in any of our optics. True, the SVT sight was so strong that it could only be broken with a sledgehammer.

            Watch this show. In addition, the Germans copied the design of the sight, but put their own glasses.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 30 July 2020 20: 25 New
              +2
              Vasily, I have not watched TV for a long time and I do not have it, especially serials. Speaking about optics, I just meant "glass", and a craftsman in a vocational school can make iron.
              1. Alf
                Alf 30 July 2020 20: 28 New
                +8
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Vasily, I have not watched TV for a long time and I do not have it, especially serials.

                Wait a minute! I also use zomboyaschik mainly for viewing downloaded from torrents. And the series are very different. I do not mean Sasha and Tanya, but such as Cars of the Soviet Union, WWII tanks, WWII small arms, etc.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 30 July 2020 21: 39 New
                  +3
                  Sorry, I didn't want to offend. I’m idle, I look at all these videos on my computer. request
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 30 July 2020 21: 51 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    Sorry, I didn't want to offend. I’m idle, I look at all these videos on my computer. request

                    But where does the resentment? Just nothing. And about viewing on a computer, that's what I meant. And look at these serials, they are excellent, they are produced by the Wings of Russia studio.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 30 July 2020 21: 55 New
                      +1
                      Thank you, I will definitely look, because it’s interesting myself. hi
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 30 July 2020 22: 04 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Thank you, I will definitely look, because it’s interesting myself. hi

                        I especially love Cars in epaulettes and Wheels of the Land of the Soviets, only look for Wheels in 12 serial performance, you will not regret it! good
                      2. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 31 July 2020 03: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alf

                        I especially love Cars in epaulettes and Wheels of the Land of the Soviets, only look for Wheels in 12 serial performance, you will not regret it! good

                        The Wings of Russia studio produces excellent projects in terms of technology.
                        By the way, in the series "Cars in epaulettes" there was a story about the ZIS-5, where positive reviews were given from the drivers and technicians of the Hitlerite Wehrmacht. When using trophy trucks, good maneuverability, reliability and maintainability in the field were noted.
                      3. Aag
                        Aag 2 August 2020 18: 14 New
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                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: Marine Kit
                        Thank you, I will definitely look, because it’s interesting myself. hi

                        I especially love Cars in epaulettes and Wheels of the Land of the Soviets, only look for Wheels in 12 serial performance, you will not regret it! good

                        Similarly, in the comparatively recent past ... But, be careful, sometimes information jumps through (I wanted to write "pushing through") information that does not fit with other sources. Sorry, I can’t give examples (moved away from the topic). Do not count the balobol, but sometimes you have to dig deeper. hi
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 30 July 2020 22: 30 New
              +4
              Almost all rifles of this class were equipped with a ZF41 sight with a magnification of 1.5. But some rifles came across ZF39 sights with a magnification of 4.
              In total, about 200 Mauser 000k rifles were equipped with sights.
              The first experience of using rifles with a ZF41 sight showed that they are poorly adapted for aimed fire. The culprit was an inconvenient and ineffective sight. In 1941, all sniper rifles were produced with the more advanced ZF39 sight. The new sight was also not without its drawbacks.
              The main one is a limited field of view of 1.5 degrees. The German sniper simply did not have time to quickly catch a moving target. To solve this problem, the mounting location of the sight on the rifle was several times moved to find the most optimal solution.
              The Gewehr 43 was equipped with the Zielfernrohr 43 (ZF 4) optical sight, which was also an analogue of the famous Soviet launcher. Sight magnification - 4. The rifle was very popular with German snipers and became a real lethal weapon in the hands of an experienced shooter.

              Excerpt from the internet.
              It turns out that the Germans took and copied the design of the Soviet PU sight.
              And naturally we used our own lenses of better quality!
              But the design was still LICKED ...
              1. Kerensky
                Kerensky 31 July 2020 08: 54 New
                +1
                We licked the PE, PB and PU from the Germans. Those from the Dutch, who are from the British.
                Optics began working in the Boer War.
                The Finns brought the Sveta (SVT) to the Germans and the Germans quickly screwed their analogue PE to it and got the perfect car.
                Only Mosinka with a faceted barrel or Berdan can be steeper. Barrel quality. But they are not adapted for optics. The wall of the box does not hold the bracket.
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 31 July 2020 20: 48 New
                  +3
                  We licked the PE, PB and PU from the Germans. Those from the Dutch, who are from the British.

                  Can you prove it with documents and photographs?
                  Does the first Soviet PT rifle scope have foreign roots?
        2. hohol95
          hohol95 31 July 2020 21: 14 New
          +2
          warspot.ru
          Rivals of Zaitsev and Pavlichenko
          Anton Lyapin April 20 '15
          Contrary to popular belief, German snipers were prohibited from engaging in combat at night. They were considered valuable personnel, and because of the poor quality of German optics, such battles, as a rule, did not end in favor of the Wehrmacht. Therefore, at night, they usually were engaged in finding and arranging a favorable position for striking in the daytime.

          The question of the quality and capabilities of the sniper sights of the German shooters requires a thoughtful and painstaking search for information!
  3. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 30 July 2020 21: 03 New
    +5
    At night, the Li-2 was widely used as a bomber from serious machines, the TB-3 could only bomb at the beginning of the war, and later the surviving vehicles were fully exhausted.
  4. venik
    venik 30 July 2020 21: 06 New
    +8
    Quote: Snail N9
    None of the Soviet bombers were honored with respect, except .... Po-2.

    =======
    Nonsense! My Father was the pawn's navigator. So the German "aces" - "pawns" were afraid! They attacked, of course ..... But they tried "quickly" ..... To the question: "Why?" Dad just grinned: "Try to get close to the flight, let alone a squadron of" pawns "! There were almost no" dead zones "there! In front, behind, above, below - just sunsya!"
    1. Train
      Train 31 July 2020 15: 38 New
      0
      Ours became aligned with the Germans near Kursk, if the pawns did not open the line, the nemchura suffered losses. If the Germans did not open the line, ours suffered losses. Well, but if ours fell apart .... https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 4ASM61liS7M & t = 1s
  5. Skif
    Skif 31 July 2020 20: 32 New
    +2
    Who told you this, sorry? In the memoirs of tankers and pilots (on both sides), I have not seen this. IL-2 "black death", according to the definition of the enemy, and not "many, many planes."
  • Graf_mgk
    Graf_mgk 30 July 2020 19: 53 New
    -20
    The Germans never considered the PPSh to be a good weapon. Moreover, it was very difficult for a German soldier to own it. The fact is that the weight of the equipment of the German infantryman reached 9 kg. To this must be added the mass of the German Mauser 98K rifle. And if we add here the mass of the PPSh and the mass of ammunition for it together, then the total mass of military equipment that the soldiers should carry reached 20 kg. In addition, Germany during the Second World War mainly used two types of cartridges - for 9x19 Luger pistols or Para for 7.92x57 rifles and machine guns. 7.62x25 cartridges could only be obtained as trophies, and trophies are a very capricious and unreliable source of ammunition supply. The situation was exactly the same in the Red Army. It was possible to get cartridges for the German MP-40 submachine gun only at the expense of trophies. Therefore, this situation is just a tribute to military fashion and front-line chic, the Germans posed for a photo with captured Soviet weapons and vice versa - the soldiers of the Red Army were happy to show off with German captured weapons.
    1. Squelcher
      Squelcher 31 July 2020 01: 03 New
      10
      To begin with, watch "The Iron Cross" and the frgeshny "Stalingrad" (films made by the West Germans), read historical literature and maybe you will stop talking nonsense.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 30 July 2020 19: 58 New
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    ... the German MP-40, which for some reason in the USSR began to be called "Schmeiser".

    The MP-38/40 stores were marked with the Schmeisser patent. It sounded loud and it was more convenient to pronounce, but everything went from the front times.
    1. venik
      venik 30 July 2020 21: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Sea Cat
      The MP-38/40 stores were marked with the Schmeisser patent. It sounded loud and it was more convenient to pronounce, but everything went from the front times.

      ========
      It's funny! The paradox is that during the war (at the end of 1941) the "Schmeisser" company tried to establish mass production of the MR-38/40 PP in the "infantry" version, i.e. with a wooden butt (like the PPSh) but ..... ran into a lawsuit from the Erma company, which was the developer, manufacturer (and patent holder) of the notorious MP-38/40. As a result, the court ruled that "Schmeisser" CANNOT manufacture this weapon without a license .... The topic was closed. And this is during the war! belay request
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 30 July 2020 21: 37 New
        10
        So, after all, they established it at the Haenel company under the MP-41 marking.

        And the scandal - yes, there was. smile
        1. venik
          venik 30 July 2020 22: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: Sea Cat
          So, after all, they established it at the Haenel company under the MP-41 marking.

          ======
          But I didn't know this! Thank! And the photo is the one that I once saw and wanted to place (but I just couldn't find it!) drinks
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 30 July 2020 22: 32 New
            +5
            Hugo Schmeiser did a simple thing: he took the butt, the trigger and the back of the head from his MP-28 / II and stuck a barrel with a receiver from Erma Werke's MP-40. But here colleagues have already written about the further, I will not repeat myself.
            MR-28 / II

            MR-40
      2. Alf
        Alf 30 July 2020 21: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: venik
        The topic was closed. And this is during the war!

        Nothing personal, just business, to lose such a piece ..
  • tolancop
    tolancop 30 July 2020 20: 00 New
    +9
    The topic is not disclosed from my point of view. Swing for a ruble - a blow for a penny.
    With regard to lovers of captured small arms, both on the one and on the other hand, I think one aspect is missing: the standard weapon is recorded for a soldier and for its loss, etc., they could be strictly asked. And he is a trophy, and he lost - it's not scary ... Of course, there were no people willing to contact a trophy with low combat qualities, but with an equivalent standard sample - quite.
  • Graf_mgk
    Graf_mgk 30 July 2020 20: 02 New
    +5
    The phrase - MP-40, which in the USSR for some reason began to be called "Schmeiser" - I was simply plunged into despondency - does the author not know why MP-40 was called "Schmeiser"? In fact, everything is very simple, the fact is that on the stores made for the MP-40 submachine gun (it was not on the submachine gun itself) there was an inscription M.R. 41 Patent Schmeisser, since Hugo Schmeisser had a patent for the design of the store , it was thanks to the inscription MP.41 Patent Schmeisser that ordinary soldiers of the Red Army began to call this submachine gun "Schmeisser", although Hugo Schmeisser himself had nothing to do with the development of this type of weapon.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 30 July 2020 21: 57 New
      10
      The phrase - MP-40, which in the USSR for some reason began to be called "Schmeiser" - I was simply plunged into despondency - does the author not know why MP-40 was called "Schmeiser"?
      And I was plunged into despondency by the spread of false information by you.
      The MP-41 patent Schmeisser Haenel inscription was present on the receiver of the Schmeisser MP.41 submachine gun and on the magazines intended for it.

      Although they were identical to the stores for the MP-38 and MP-40, such an inscription was not placed on the stores for them.
      Considering that the MP-41 was released only about 26, and even less got to the front, the version that the inscription played a role in the name of the MP-000 does not stand up to criticism.
      1. venik
        venik 30 July 2020 22: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Undecim
        the version that the inscription played a role in the name of the MP-40 does not stand up to criticism.

        ======
        So where did it come from then ??? (in the sense of "schmeisser" instead of "erma") request
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 30 July 2020 22: 25 New
          +8
          I cannot say with absolute certainty, but, apparently, this confusion migrated from the West, where since the time of WWI all the PPs were called "schmeisers." The MR-36 Volmer in Spain was also called Schmeiser. That is, it is a kind of common name for submachine guns, fixed from the name of the first mass sample.

          By the way, in the Soviet special literature, such confusion does not occur even during the war years, but in the English-language it does.
          1. Tuzik
            Tuzik 30 July 2020 23: 05 New
            0
            And what were the inscriptions on MP-36,38,40 and shops for them? Maybe Schmeiser slipped through somewhere?
  • Graf_mgk
    Graf_mgk 30 July 2020 20: 08 New
    0
    And about the Soviet submachine gun PPSh and especially about its drum magazines with a capacity of 71 rounds, you can tell a lot of interesting things. For example, each new PP was equipped with six drum magazines, each of which was individually adjusted with a file for a particular PCA. Moreover, a store taken from one PCA in most cases was not suitable for another PCA or gave a large number of delays when used with another PCA. It was essentially a transition from the era of the conveyor belt to the Stone Age, where every spear or arrow was not like the other spears and arrows made.
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 July 2020 20: 15 New
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      Quote: Graf_MGK
      each new PP was equipped with six drum magazines,

      Three. For only three stores were included in the standard equipment.
    2. venik
      venik 30 July 2020 21: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Graf_MGK
      For example, each new PP was equipped with six drum magazines, each of which was individually adjusted with a file for a particular PCA. Moreover, a store taken from one PPSh in most cases was not suitable for another

      =======
      drinks good As far as I know - not 6, but only 3! Although at different stages of the war - it could have been different!
      But the fact that there was an "individual fit" is a FACT !!! The uncle's cousin, before he got to the front, worked at an arms factory (it was the PPSh that he assembled, or rather he "adjusted" the disks). I heard about it from him! Then I was very surprised!
    3. +5
      +5 31 July 2020 18: 25 New
      +1
      This is the cost of doing them anywhere and making 6 million against the background of 900 thousand MP40 ...
      The PPP was much better, but the number was needed ... although they made 650 thousand ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 30 July 2020 20: 12 New
    +5
    Guderian considered this war machine a big problem that was not easy to deal with:

    I would not really trust Guderian in this matter, in the first year of the war with us the T-34 for some reason did not cause big problems for him and Gotha and Reinhard. And then in his memoirs he somehow needed to try to justify himself for constant defeats. Although our tank was certainly good in design, especially the T-34/85.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 30 July 2020 21: 53 New
      +6
      He sang this song in the fall when, near Moscow, his subordinates neglected the protection in the column and grabbed it notably. And then Heinz let's bomb Berlin about the miracle of tanks, although for half a year everything suited him
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 31 July 2020 09: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: SARANCHA1976
        And then Heinz let's bomb Berlin about the miracle of tanks, although for half a year everything suited him

        Yes, even during the Mtsensk events, everything suited him - the famous review of the T-34 as "a typical example of backward Bolshevik technology"he wrote in October 1941. smile
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 30 July 2020 20: 28 New
    +4
    Division F-22. The Germans modernized the captured cannons by boring the chamber under an enhanced charge and installing a muzzle brake. Used as a towed anti-tank under the name PAK-36 (r), and also installed on an ACS.
    1. venik
      venik 30 July 2020 21: 35 New
      0
      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      Division F-22. The Germans modernized the captured cannons by boring the chamber under an enhanced charge and installing a muzzle brake. Used as a towed anti-tank under the name PAK-36 (r), and also installed on an ACS.

      =======
      By the way, they were also installed on the carriages of captured M-30 howitzers!
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 July 2020 21: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: venik
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Division F-22. The Germans modernized the captured cannons by boring the chamber under an enhanced charge and installing a muzzle brake. Used as a towed anti-tank under the name PAK-36 (r), and also installed on an ACS.

        =======
        By the way, they were also installed on the carriages of captured M-30 howitzers!

        What is your evidence? The carriages were used by relatives, only the shield was changed.
        1. venik
          venik 30 July 2020 22: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Alf
          What is your evidence? The carriages were used by relatives, only the shield was changed.

          =====
          What evidence? Pli-out !:

          "Native" carriages could not withstand the shot of more powerful German shells ..... They were there specially "bore" the comoros! And the gun carriage from the M-30 howitzer could withstand it!

          1. Alf
            Alf 30 July 2020 22: 42 New
            +2
            Just a gun carriage from the F-22.
            1. Alf
              Alf 30 July 2020 22: 43 New
              +2
              And why is the muzzle brake attached?
              1. venik
                venik 30 July 2020 22: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: Alf
                And why is the muzzle brake attached?

                =======
                And for that and "attached", so that when fired less "bounced" !!!
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 31 July 2020 00: 37 New
                +1
                Anti-tank gun, hence the maximum charge. 2,5 times more powerful than the original Soviet. Such a return must be extinguished with something.
            2. venik
              venik 30 July 2020 22: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              Just a gun carriage from the F-22.

              ======
              Yah? And if you look CAREFULLY? It's not for nothing that I threw off a photo of the WAR years!
          2. Alf
            Alf 31 July 2020 18: 32 New
            0
            Quote: venik
            Quote: Alf
            What is your evidence? The carriages were used by relatives, only the shield was changed.

            =====
            What evidence? Pli-out !:

            "Native" carriages could not withstand the shot of more powerful German shells ..... They were there specially "bore" the comoros! And the gun carriage from the M-30 howitzer could withstand it!

            Is there any documentary evidence of the use of the M-30 gun carriage?
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 30 July 2020 20: 34 New
    +1
    Unfortunately, this is not entirely true. Yes, the T-34 was a revolutionary tank of its time, a diesel engine, sloping armor plates, but in 1941 it was raw, the crews did not have time to master it, and the industry was not brought to mind. The build quality of the 34 T-1941 was nowhere lower, and the view from the tank, which did not have a commander's cupola and decent observation devices, left much to be desired. The Germans found themselves in a similar situation in 1943, when the new German Panthers and Tigers, superior in armament to the Soviet T-34 / 76s, often simply abandoned crews due to malfunctions. The T-34/85 became truly legendary, which finally received a commander's cupola and an additional crew member, a gunner, which allowed the tank commander to carry out his direct duties. The PPSh-41 was good for everyone, but it was heavy, which is why the scouts preferred the captured Fulmar, MR-38, or MR-40 assault rifles (erroneously called Schmeisers in the USSR, apparently due to the fact that they were produced at the factories of the same name). The German MR weighed slightly more than 2 kg, while the PPSh with a 71-round disc magazine weighed a little more than 5 kg. After the appearance of the Sudayev and PPS-43 submachine guns in the Soviet army, the Soviet scouts stopped taking captured submachine guns with them for reconnaissance. The Germans also loved captured Soviet automatic and self-loading rifles, because the Soviet SVT-38, SVT-40, AVS-35 and AVS-36 were much more reliable than the German self-loading Mauser-41 rifle. Walter's self-loading rifle was even worse and the Germans preferred trophies, to the extent that they exchanged German self-loading rifles for magazines.
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 July 2020 21: 26 New
      12
      Quote: Shadow041
      German MR weighed a little over 2 kg

      MP-38 weight 4,8 kg. This is not "a little more".
    2. venik
      venik 30 July 2020 21: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Shadow041
      The PPSh-41 was good for everyone, but it was heavy, which is why the scouts preferred the captured Fulmar submachine guns to the factories of the same name, or the MP-40 (erroneously called Schmeisers in the USSR, apparently due to the fact that they were produced at the factories of the same name).

      ========
      They were NOT PRODUCED at the "similarly named factories" (see comments above).
      As for the scouts, I don't know (I think they still preferred the PPSh), but the tankers (if they managed to hide it) used the Erma (MP38 / 40). Actually, it was developed specifically for the crews of combat vehicles and parachutists.
    3. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 31 July 2020 02: 45 New
      +5
      The PPSh-41 was good for everyone, but it was heavy, which is why the scouts preferred Fulmar's captured assault rifles

      Not only because of this. The sounds of firing from the PPSh and MP-40 were noticeably different and the firing from the PPSh in the German rear attracted much more attention from the Germans, with all the ensuing consequences.
    4. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 31 July 2020 14: 20 New
      +2
      The PPSh-41 with a sector magazine was lighter than the Mp-40 - 3,63 kg versus 4,03 kg, without cartridges.
    5. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 27 September 2020 20: 38 New
      0
      "PPSh-41 was good for everyone" - except for the store, of course.
  • mvg
    mvg 30 July 2020 20: 54 New
    +1
    how the T-34 was capable of destroying Wehrmacht tanks from a distance of 1,5-2 kilometers

    Jesus ... what did I just almost read?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 30 July 2020 21: 45 New
      +6
      Theoretically I could. Armor penetration of the F-34 at a distance of 1500 m 45-50 mm. For German tanks, the initial period of the war is more than enough.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 31 July 2020 09: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Theoretically I could. Armor penetration of the F-34 at a distance of 1500 m 45-50 mm.

        An air-conditioned specialized armor-piercing projectile - BR-350A. Of which in the USSR, by June 1941, only 192 units were produced (instead of 700).
        And issued - this is exactly released by factoriesAnd not was in the troops... In the army, the picture was even worse.
        6th MK on 30.04.1941/76,2/XNUMX - zero XNUMX mm BBS.
        3th MK on 25.04.1941/76,2/XNUMX - zero XNUMX mm BBS.
        4th MK on 01.05.1941/76,2/XNUMX - zero not only BBS, but in general all types of XNUMX-mm shells.
        8th MK on 10.06.1941/2350/76,2 - as many as 14 76,2-mm BBS (1 rounds per tank with a XNUMX-mm gun - less than XNUMX BC).

        So, dear comrades, tankers and divisional artillerymen, take shrapnel, put its detonator "on strike" - and try to knock out a German tank, having 30 mm armor penetration from 300-350 m.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 31 July 2020 09: 42 New
      0
      Quote: mvg
      Jesus ... what did I just almost read?

      An open "time capsule" from the 70s. smile
  • Freedim
    Freedim 30 July 2020 21: 08 New
    +1
    The headline is clumsy in meaning .. What are the Nazis? .. Staff rats far from the front, the designer, military analysts may have responded well in terms of the technological perfection of Soviet weapons. But the trench soldiers had an absolutely opposite opinion. It is ridiculous to imagine how some sergeant major Fritz, in a funnel covered with earth and ashes, broadcasts to a shell-shocked colleague something like: "But really, Hans, what are all the same excellent Russian jet mortars Ka-tyu-sha" ... lol
  • demo
    demo 30 July 2020 21: 10 New
    -6
    The German servicemen rightly considered the PPSh-41 to be a more advanced small arms than the German MP-40, which for some reason in the USSR began to be called "Schmeisser".

    This name stuck for a simple reason - the "father" of this weapon - Hugo Schmeisser.
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 July 2020 22: 49 New
      +3
      No, he had nothing to do with mp40
      But in the Western literature of that time, all PPs with a free shutter were called "Schmeiser's system" from the first patent for MP-18.
      Perhaps from there it went, all of them were united by the designation MR - they differed only in number
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 1 August 2020 12: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        No, he had nothing to do with mp40

        Well, not quite so - the store is branded "Schmeisser's patent".
        1. Avior
          Avior 1 August 2020 14: 15 New
          0
          Such an inscription was on the MR-41 released in a small batch and stores for it - there is a photo and information about it in the branch above
          There was no PP-40, although the stores are the same
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 1 August 2020 14: 17 New
            0
            All pre-war export PPs of Erma were labeled.
            1. Avior
              Avior 1 August 2020 15: 11 New
              0
              In this case, we are talking specifically about MP 40, which is usually called a schmeiser
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 1 August 2020 15: 14 New
                0
                According to the Internet, almost all of Erma's trunks were called Schmeisser.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 1 August 2020 15: 18 New
                  0
                  Not only Ermas, but in general all German PPs, the Schmeisser system - I wrote about this from the very beginning
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 1 August 2020 15: 22 New
                    0
                    Not a system, the Schmeisser brothers successfully completed an order for the development and production of shops for PP and everywhere there was a stigma - Schmeisser's patent ..
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 1 August 2020 15: 28 New
                      0
                      So there are different versions
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 1 August 2020 15: 30 New
                        0
                        Hugo had a weakness to stigmatize everything and everything where even she was a detail with his patent ..
  • basal
    basal 30 July 2020 22: 29 New
    +6
    The author and commentators overlook the fact that it is incorrect to directly compare Soviet and German weapons. It is a stretch to draw parallels to the beginning of the war, but here, too, one should take into account the obvious technological superiority of Germany, which had not only its own developed military-industrial complex, but also the resources of France, Czechoslovakia, Austria, and the Benelux countries. Offhand: there were no analogues of the KV from the word "absolutely", the Germans did not have their own heavy tanks, only a few French Renault, if I am not mistaken. The "raw, unfinished" T-34 and T-4 can somehow be compared, though not in favor of the latter. There were still quite good Czech Skodas (the Germans seem to have designated T-38s), thanks to the "brothers - Slavs" for strengthening the Wehrmacht. And that's all. There were no analogues of SVT. But at the beginning of the war there were more than a million of them in the Red Army. Yes, aviation let us down a little, but not fundamentally. In my opinion, no one argues that the terrible bloody defeats of the beginning of the war are the result of the disgusting organization of hostilities, and not because of the lack of quantity and quality of weapons.
    After the mass evacuation of industry to the east (in itself an unparalleled feat), weapons were created according to the principle "I sculpted it from what it was," what it was and who it was. This is how the Weapon of Victory was forged. And now those who wish can compare, just do not forget in what conditions the work was carried out.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 27 September 2020 20: 39 New
      0
      In their memoirs, German tank crews scolded Skoda because of their fragile armor.
  • Momotomba
    Momotomba 30 July 2020 22: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Shadow041
    After the appearance of the Sudayev and PPS-43 submachine guns in the Soviet army, the Soviet scouts stopped taking captured submachine guns with them for reconnaissance.

    And I heard that they always went to reconnaissance with captured weapons. Behind the front line, trophy cartridges are easier to find. And the sounds of shots of trophies will not attract attention as much as, for example, PPSh or PPS.
    I wonder what did the Germans come to us with: with their own or with trophies?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 31 July 2020 00: 39 New
      +2
      Intelligence that we have that the Germans had the right to choose weapons. We went with what was more convenient for the current task.
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 31 July 2020 11: 57 New
        +1
        what
        Most likely it was. "Makhnovshchina" was not allowed in the reconnaissance division, and the scouts with trophy weapons and machine-gun belts hung around them did not go.
        They were guided by the Field, Combat Regulations, Manuals on Shooting and Military Intelligence.
        The standard weapons in the military intelligence unit were all types of domestic weapons and captured ones.
        But, depending on the method of reconnaissance (search, raid, ambush or reconnaissance in force) and tasks in front of the groups, the ratio of automatic weapons and rifles (including sniper rifles) was determined, which must be present in the group ...
        1. Momotomba
          Momotomba 31 July 2020 20: 05 New
          0
          The further away from the charter, the closer to victory. I don't remember who said ...
          Most likely, weapons were chosen from the tasks, but in the deep rear with a trophy it seems easier to me.
          1. Lynx2000
            Lynx2000 31 July 2020 22: 42 New
            0
            By the end of '43, military intelligence units are providing PPS-43, using DP-27.
            Shop rifle, arr. 1891/30 or carbine, SVT for "accurate combat" were also necessarily in the group.
            In '41 - early '43, captured small arms were used.
            Units under the command of Kovpak, Dovator and partisan formations during raids behind enemy lines captured and used trophies.
            What is the reconnaissance group doing behind enemy lines or deep behind enemy lines? Conducts surveillance, eavesdropping, possibly organizing an ambush or raid. As a rule, such a clash is transient and as quiet as possible, and the ammo consumption is minimal. BC rates are planned based on the task. Capturing a trophy (weapons and ammo) is an extreme measure, as a rule, the tasks of the reconnaissance group are not included ...

            They also say: "combat regulations are written in blood."
            1. Momotomba
              Momotomba 1 August 2020 00: 27 New
              0
              I will not argue, most likely, for regular units, their weapons will be easier, and trophies as an emergency measure ... Unless they went into a deep raid along the enemy's rear.

              And as for the charter ... it is clear that blood is bloody, only sometimes because of the fear of taking a step aside, even more blood is poured ... a very delicate moment ... if you recall F.F. Ushakov, so he broke everything he could and won))
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  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 31 July 2020 06: 19 New
    +5
    The author was modest. And maybe not in the subject. In addition to the "daddy", the German did not refuse our TT and self-loading SVT. He did not disdain grenades-lemon grenades. One trophy document says about the scale of the use of captured PPSh by the Wehrmacht .. an order from the industry for the production of 10 thousand barrels for them ... in addition to the 30 thousand ordered earlier. By the end of the war, they mastered the production of the Sudaev assault rifle ... It did not help ... Something like this ... The topic is extensive ..
  • About 2
    About 2 31 July 2020 08: 25 New
    +2
    The PPSh had a high rate of fire, just like the German MG 34, MG 42 machine guns, because of this the Germans called it a small machine gun. Its weight was in the region of 4 kg, which ensured high stability when firing in bursts, especially long and the barrel did not get warm. strongly, as opposed to the German MP 40, a single fire mode was provided for the PPSh.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 31 July 2020 09: 30 New
    +2
    Faced with them in battle, the Nazis received an unpleasant surprise, which, for example, recalled one of the best military leaders of the Third Reich, Heinz Guderian. He wrote that the Soviet T-34 is superior in performance to any of the tanks that Germany had in 1941.

    He wrote this in post-war memoirs when he needed to explain the reasons for the problems near Mtsensk. Writing that the Russians know how to fight was somehow inconvenient - the Untermensch couldn't outperform the Yubermensch, especially in 1941. So Heinz invented a fairy tale about the invulnerable T-34.
    But he hardly imagined that historians would dig up his own official letter with a review of the T-34, written exactly in October 1941: smile
    ... the Soviet T-34 tank is a typical example of backward Bolshevik technology. This tank cannot be compared with the best examples of our tanks, made by the faithful sons of the Reich and have repeatedly proved their superiority ...
    © Guderian
    The guns of German tanks were unable to penetrate the T-34 armor. More precisely, they could do it, but only from a distance of no more than 500 meters, and only when they hit the side or stern. Whereas the T-34 was capable of destroying Wehrmacht tanks from a distance of 1,5-2 kilometers.

    Uh-huh ... in theory. And in practice, the armor penetration of the most massive 76,2-mm AP shell of the first year of the war is only 30 mm from 300 m.
    Therefore, the most effective weapon against him was the 88-mm anti-aircraft gun for the Germans.

    But the statistics of hitting the wrecked T-34s disagree with this. The main weapon against the T-34 was the 50-mm anti-tank gun. According to the results of domestic tests in 1942, this gun was too tough even for the KV, and from sane distances.
    From October 9 to November 4, 1942, the Gorokhovets training range shot 37 mm homogeneous medium hard shells, 50 mm high-hardness and 75 mm homogeneous armored plates with the captured 45 mm ordinary and sub-caliber shells. homogeneous armor plates of medium hardness.

    Test result:
    50-mm anti-tank gun PaK.38, ordinary armor-piercing:
    The 75-mm sheet normal showed the back strength limit of 700 m, the through penetration limit of 400 m. That is, starting from a distance of 700 m and closer PaK.38 can penetrate unshielded HF armor, with 400 m it is guaranteed to break through.
    The 45-mm sheet along the normal showed the through penetration limit of 1500 m, at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal 1300 m.
    That is, PaK.38 confidently hits the T-34 in the side and the tower at any real combat distance.

    50-mm anti-tank gun PaK.38, sub-caliber:
    The 75-mm sheet normal showed the back strength of 870 m, the through penetration of 740 m, at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal of 530 and 470 m, respectively.
    The 45-mm sheet along the normal showed the through penetration limit of 1300 m, at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal 700 m.
    © D. Shein
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 12: 41 New
      0
      PaK.38 is not enough released and it could not make a significant difference. The most dangerous for the T34 was STUG, most of the damaged T34s were on his conscience.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 31 July 2020 16: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        PaK.38 is not enough released and it could not make a significant difference.

        More than 1000 pieces at the beginning of "Barbarossa".
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        The most dangerous for the T34 was STUG, most of the damaged T34s were on his conscience.

        The statistics on the destroyed T-34s at the beginning of 1942 is known: more than 50% have holes from 50 mm BBS.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 21: 15 New
          0
          Even more (although the caliber is 50mm or less), it reached 70% (1942), but then there was a sharp drop and in 1944 there were no lesions with this caliber, even in 1943 it was 30%. But Stugi was beaten throughout the war, according to some sources they knocked out 20 units. Т000 (34 Т4 for each piece).
    2. unknown
      unknown 31 July 2020 22: 37 New
      -3
      Strange as it may seem, but genetic studies show that Russians are a genetically single people.
      Scratch a Tatar and you will see a Russian.
      And the German people from a genetic point of view are heterogeneous, "trash".
      As did the British.
      1. Sergey Sfiedu
        Sergey Sfiedu 27 September 2020 20: 45 New
        0
        Geneticists need to be respected, but their words need to be treated with caution. And it is impossible in any case to take on trust the results of one study that has not been verified by other studies conducted by other scientists.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 11: 52 New
    0
    One German expert called the Yak9 the best aircraft of the war. In general, the weapon is good, but its correct use is of great importance. By the way, in vain the author refers to Guderian, who tried to justify himself for disrupting the capture of Moscow.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 31 July 2020 14: 42 New
    +3
    I will support the author. In Germany, 900 MP000 / 38 were produced. In the USSR, 40 million PPSh-6,5, PPD, PPS-41 were produced. The Germans massively put into service the guns VG Grabin-F-43, F-22USV (they bored the charging chamber and installed a muzzle brake, which Grabin wanted to do, but he was forbidden), ZiS-22, and the F-3 was used not only as towed gun, but also installed on self-propelled guns. After the Czechoslovak 22T tank was decommissioned, it was re-assembled into a quite successful Hetzer self-propelled gun with an F-38 cannon. After testing at the Kunersdorf test site, German specialists recognized the ZiS-22 as the best divisional gun of the Second World War. German snipers gladly adopted the Tokarevskaya SVT. Katyushas, ​​well, where without them, because the secret was not in the installation, but in the long-burning rocket powder. The Germans failed to create an analogue of these gunpowders.
    1. Alf
      Alf 31 July 2020 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      After the Czechoslovak 38T tank was decommissioned, it was re-assembled into a quite successful Hetzer self-propelled gun with an F-22 cannon.

      However, well ... Does the F-22 have a caliber of 75 mm?
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 August 2020 12: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      After all, the secret was not in the installation, but in the long-burning rocket powder.

      The secret was in the fuse - "a long intermediate detonator was used for a slightly different effect than a counter detonation, which cannot occur in this ammunition. The intermediate detonator is equipped with an explosive, the detonation velocity of which is much higher than the detonation velocity of cast TNT, therefore, during detonation, the detonation wave passes before as a result of this, the detonation wave in the main charge acquires a conical shape and propagates along it at a certain angle to the generatrix of the shell of the projectile, which is determined by the difference in the detonation velocity of the main explosive and the explosive of the detonator. As you know, the blasting action is strongest in the direction of the propagation vector of the detonation wave, therefore there is a stronger fragmentation of the projectile body and an increase in the initial velocities of the fragments. In addition, the time of complete detonation of the charge decreases, and the effect the effect of overcompressed detonation, when a detonation wave passes through the main charge at a higher speed than it should be, since it is introduced into the charge by the explosion of a more powerful explosive detonator with a higher detonation speed. Thus, the power of the explosion of the warhead increases. "
    3. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 27 September 2020 20: 57 New
      0
      At the beginning of the war, the Germans did not really bother about arming. True Aryans had to defeat any English, and even more so, subhumans, with the available weapons at the expense of better training, courage and initiative. It was only later, having gotten in the teeth, they began to dream of wunderwalks. Here it must be remembered that the Germans are generally an economic and economical people. They approached trophies (not only ours, but also, for example, French and Czech)) very proprietary. And they captured our trophies a lot, well, it was just a sin not to use them. As far as I remember, there were units regularly armed with our PPShs, it seems, in Africa. The widespread use of captured tanks was hindered by the lack of spare parts and low, by German standards, reliability; the Germans exchanged trophy tanks at the earliest opportunity for German ones or tried to float the Finns. But the rifleman and artillery are not a tank, if you have ammunition, why not use it. Although the same PPSh and F-22 were converted for German ammunition.
  • ssergey1978
    ssergey1978 31 July 2020 14: 54 New
    0
    The feeling that the child was writing, common phrases. Facts that are familiar to everyone. Why could the enemy soldiers not like Soviet weapons? The quality of German weapons produced in wartime was not high.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 31 July 2020 16: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: St Pepper
    Such a rifle did not exist in nature. There was a three-line.

    Oh! I confused the Mosin-Nagant magazine rifle with a three-line caliber (7.62mm) with a three-line ?! From the muddler!
    1. unknown
      unknown 31 July 2020 22: 43 New
      +1
      Such is he Carbine.
      Just like Eddie. Lemons who.
      About whom one very wise aunt said that he is a boy who likes to write against the wind.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 2 August 2020 12: 50 New
      0
      And what was the Mosin-Nagant rifle?
      1. vl903
        vl903 3 August 2020 12: 22 New
        +1
        a rifle created by a commission under the leadership of Mosin, named by the tsar as the Russian three-line rifle in 1891, in foreign sources periodically called the Mosin-Nagant rifle. Nagant was a merchant and managed to impress the king and those around him, although some part of the design was taken from Nagan. for this, as well as for technologies and machines, Nagan was paid 200 thousand rubles, the Mossin team -30 thousand rubles
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 8 August 2020 06: 38 New
          0
          Quote: vl903
          in foreign sources, it is periodically called the Mosin-Nagant rifle.

          And what follows from this? You will show at least one official source, or even some self-loading SVD are called ...
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 8 August 2020 17: 39 New
            0
            And what follows from this?

            Matvey! Don't make people nervous, they already have where to spoil them. We agreed among ourselves that it would be Mosin-Nagana, and this is Berdan No. 2, and over there Arisaka ...
            or even the SVD is called self-loading by some ...

            What are you doing ?! You can also charge one at a time. What literate people use, taking out the warm one from under the skin. Or a tracer (which is not good).
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 August 2020 17: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Kerensky
              We agreed among ourselves that it would be Mosin-Nagana

              And who is "we"? Neither those who took it into service, nor those who did it, were not aware of it, but "you" agreed ...
              Quote: Kerensky
              Than literate people

              Interestingly, where all the same "literate people" can read the instruction on the Mosin-Nagant rifle?
              1. Sergey Sfiedu
                Sergey Sfiedu 27 September 2020 21: 05 New
                0
                “those who took it into service” called it simply “the 1891 model three-line rifle”. Without the name of the designer. Because, according to the terms of the competition, and it lasted a long time, in several stages, the designers were not forbidden to use the opponent's solutions used at the previous stage of the competition. What both the contestants - both Mosin and Nagan - did not use. Abroad, the three-line is called the Mosin-Nagant rifle, in our country they began to call it the Mosin rifle only in Soviet times.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 28 September 2020 05: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                  “those who took it into service” called it simply “the 1891 model three-line rifle”. Without the name of the designer. Because, according to the terms of the competition, and it lasted a long time, in several stages, the designers were not forbidden to use the opponent's solutions used at the previous stage of the competition. What both the contestants - both Mosin and Nagan - did not use. Abroad, the three-line is called the Mosin-Nagant rifle, in our country they began to call it the Mosin rifle only in Soviet times.

                  What kind? the weapons committee for adopting a rifle compiled a list with which Nagan agreed
                  "Parts worked out by Mosin:
                  The bar is a locking bolt that serves as the axis of rotation of the magazine cover.
                  Changing the magazine box for the mechanism.
                  Safety cocking device.
                  Combining the shutter parts together.
                  The idea of ​​a cutoff-reflector and its device.
                  Magazine cover latch.
                  The method of connecting the feeder to the cover.
                  Placing a swivel on a hinge of its simpler manufacture.
                  Parts developed by Nagan:
                  The idea of ​​placing a feed mechanism on the store door and opening it down.
                  The way to fill the store with a clip and grooves under it in a box.
                  Cartridge clip."

                  Other parts are developed by the commission and other persons.
                  About the fact that Nagan was decently paid for these "ideas" and the commission demanded that they be included in the design, I hope everyone is already aware ... And the fact that Mosin launched and debugged production and therefore is essentially not only the main designer, but also the parent of the rifle , I hope also in the know ...
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu
                    Sergey Sfiedu 29 September 2020 21: 47 New
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                    Duc machine gun "Maxim" also someone launched into production and debugged, and paid Hiram Svivensovich a lot for him - and continued to call him Maxim. The fact that the rifle was named after Mosin is quite fair. But outside the brackets, and Nagan should not be forgotten. and others only know how to write nasty things about him.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 30 September 2020 16: 20 New
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                      Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
                      Duc machine gun "Maxim" also someone launched into production and debugged, and paid Hiram Svivensovich a lot for him - and continued to call him Maxim. The fact that the rifle was named after Mosin is quite fair. But outside the brackets, and Nagan should not be forgotten. and others only know how to write nasty things about him.

                      The machine gun was called "MaximA tribe", and now it is called that ...
                      "The changes borrowed from the Nagant rifle (the shape of the loading clip, the attachment of the feed spring to the magazine cover, the shape of the reflector cutoff) somewhat increased the convenience of handling the rifle, but even if they were removed, they did not deprive it of its functionality. For example, if we abandon the clip-on at all. loading, the magazine can be loaded one cartridge at a time.If you disconnect the feed spring from the magazine cover, cartridges will still be fed, although there is an increased risk of losing the spring during cleaning. Thus, the role of these changes is secondary to the purpose and function of the weapon and does not give grounds for refusing to recognize Mosin as the author or to put the name of Nagant in the name of the sample, without mentioning the authors of other, no less important than those borrowed from his system, additions "- The barrel and sight were taken as the basis for the Lebel model, but with a different direction of rifling - where is he "outside the brackets"?
  • AX
    AX 1 August 2020 04: 33 New
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    I will support the commentators below. Article - compile and stub ...
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 3 August 2020 05: 58 New
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    Quote: mat-vey
    And what was the Mosin-Nagant rifle?

    Of course not. The talented art officer Mosin screwed the Nagant trigger to his brainchild in 1891 and called it a three-line. And he stole the cartridge from Hiram Maxim (well, who was named after the machine gun) in order to get 7.62 for sure.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 8 August 2020 17: 26 New
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      Quote: Kerensky
      The talented art officer Mosin screwed the Nagant trigger to his brainchild in 1891 and called it a three-line.

      And the members of the commission were not in the know ...
      Parts developed by Mosin:
      The bar is a locking bolt that serves as the axis of rotation of the magazine cover.
      Changing the magazine box for the mechanism.
      Safety cocking device.
      Combining the shutter parts together.
      The idea of ​​a cutoff-reflector and its device.
      Magazine cover latch.
      The method of connecting the feeder to the cover.
      Placing a swivel on a hinge of its simpler manufacture.
      Parts developed by Nagan:
      The idea of ​​placing a feed mechanism on the store door and opening it down.
      The way to fill the store with a clip and grooves under it in a box.
      Cartridge clip.
      Other parts are developed by the commission and other persons.
      And Colonel Rogovtsev was aware that Mosin had “stolen” the cartridge from Maxim? Although Maxim was probably not sorry - he still had a bunch of other calibers ...
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 August 2020 18: 02 New
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        The idea of ​​a cutoff-reflector and its device.

        For this alone, his name should go down in history. But this is my opinion, it may be wrong ...
        Other parts are developed by the commission and other persons.

        That's what I always understand! Before you have time to muddle up something, as always you find yourself between the "authors" and "D.R." small print.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 8 August 2020 18: 09 New
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          I see ... it's more or less clear with you ...