In the Czech Republic: The monument to the Soviet marshal was removed, and the monument to the Austrian marshal is ready to be erected

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The Czech press published an article by the observer David Klimes about the situation with monuments in the country. The journalist writes that, removing the monuments from the pedestals, in the Czech Republic they are only now beginning to think about who should be erected instead of them.

According to the author of Aktualne, David Klimes, 30 years after the complete collapse of the socialist system in the Czech Republic, they have not been able to form their own version of the pantheon of heroes who could be immortalized in the form of monuments.



From the material:

One gets the impression that we were not celebrating the anniversary of the Czech Republic, but of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in Vienna.

Further, the author cites as an example the initiative of the authorities of the Prague-1 district to install a monument to Marshal Josef Radetzky in the center of the Czech capital. This man in the XNUMXth century was in the service of the Austro-Hungarian crown, was the Viceroy of Lombardy-Venice. At one time, this monument was already in Prague.

It is noted that the monument to the Soviet marshal was removed, and the monument to the Austrian marshal is ready to be erected.

In the Czech Republic, there are disputes over the monument to Radetzky. On the one hand, he was a Czech nobleman, but on the other, which today especially oppresses local nationalists, he had no intention of speaking out for independence and served the Austrian court.

The author also writes about a memorial column in honor of the Archduchess of Austria Maria Theresa, Empress of the Holy Roman Empire.

According to the Czech journalist, after that it will remain "to restore the position of the Prague governor", hinting at the times when governors from Vienna were appointed to rule on the territory of modern Czech Republic.

From the material:

Instead of a monument to Marshal Konev in Prague-6, there is now an ugly chipboard.

At the same time, the author calls Konev a "Soviet executioner", adding that at the same time, there are many monuments and memorial plaques around the country to "Czech executioners from among the representatives of the Communist Party." In particular, Antonin Zapotocki is mentioned, who headed the Czech government in 1948-1953. According to the author, they decided to remove the monuments to the leaders of the communist regime, but even here they did not go to the end.

Klimesh immediately adds that the previously erected monuments "have the right to remain in their places."

Czech columnist:

In general, it is worth pondering why the monuments of the past suddenly began to excite us.

The author notes that in the Czech Republic there is no systematic approach in this regard. Klimes believes that a new approach could bring the layers of Czech society together.

From the material:

Certainly, there is a lack of modern public sacred work that would be much better than a war for old and new columns. We must ask the question to whom in general in the Czech Republic we would like to erect monuments today.
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    1. +7
      30 July 2020 15: 13
      Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes
      1. +1
        30 July 2020 15: 23
        Quote: Bulgarian
        Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

        The Czechs? Well that's not true.
        1. +11
          30 July 2020 15: 44
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Bulgarian
          Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

          The Czechs? Well that's not true.

          Of course there were Czechoslovak anti-fascists,
          of modern heroes: soldier Schweik, MOLE with an elastic band ...
          But what a deflection towards Western democracy! good A Czech who did not support Czech independence is a national hero! And those who liberated Czechoslovakia from fascism, who died in the battles for Czechoslovakia - the invaders ... This is ... no words!
          They say History is not a teacher, but an overseer and an undertaker rolled into one. Those who have not learned her lessons do not live up to the test! No.
        2. +5
          30 July 2020 23: 57
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Bulgarian
          Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

          The Czechs? Well that's not true.

          Aron, well, then you explain why it is not correct, otherwise on the Russian site they can formulate your answer using the words "... eyes and God's dew ...
          1. 0
            31 July 2020 08: 54
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Bulgarian
            Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

            The Czechs? Well that's not true.

            Aron, well, then you explain why it is not correct, otherwise on the Russian site they can formulate your answer using the words "... eyes and God's dew ...

            Well, the history of the Czech Republic is extremely rich. The first Slavic states of Samo and Great Moravia had their center in Bohemia. The independent Bohemian kingdom, which existed until the 15th century, produced a lot of interesting historical figures. The Hussite movement, which shook the entire center of Europe, is recognized as the forerunner of the Reformation. Well, the modern history of the Czech Republic knows quite a few outstanding personalities.
      2. +1
        30 July 2020 15: 43
        Quote: Bulgarian
        Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes


        The need to lick the Germans' ass has moved to the genetic level among the Czechs. By the way, Josef Radetzky is a German.
        1. -1
          30 July 2020 15: 55
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          By the way, Josef Radetzky is a German.

          Из чешской дворянской семьи. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%99%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%84
          1. -2
            30 July 2020 16: 46
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            From a Czech noble family.

            Most likely from the peasant.
        2. 0
          30 July 2020 21: 55
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          and Josef Radetzky is just a German.

          "Emperor Nicholas I conferred the honorary rank of General-Field Marshal of the Russian Imperial Army on Radetzky and appointed Chief of the Belarusian Hussar Regiment, who was commanded to be called the Field Marshal General-Field Marshal Count Radetzky."
          Nicholas I is also German.
      3. +4
        30 July 2020 19: 17
        Andrew, - Jan Hus 1369-1415, Jan Zizka from Trocnov 1360-1424. Lumps, titans of the Czech people, although they are heroes of a different faith and supporters of an INDEPENDENT Czech Republic ...
      4. +1
        30 July 2020 19: 58
        The Czech Republic has existed for less than thirty years. The monument to the Austrian marshal is a sign. In the future, this state has little chance of remaining: they will be included in the new Habsburg macroregion (together with Galicia).
        1. 0
          1 August 2020 10: 36
          The same can be said about the Russian Federation, with even greater grounds.
    2. +5
      30 July 2020 15: 13
      "In general, it is worth pondering why the monuments of the past suddenly began to excite us."
      A bad example is contagious.
      "We must ask the question to whom in general in the Czech Republic we would like to erect monuments today."
      Mikhail Nikolayevich, 20 years ago, suggested making monuments with unscrewing, changing heads. It's cheaper this way.
    3. +6
      30 July 2020 15: 22
      It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.
      1. +1
        30 July 2020 15: 56
        Quote: sibiryk
        It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.

        The monument to the brave soldier Schweik has already been erected at Balkan Square, 5B, St. Petersburg.
        Russia honors Czechoslovak heroes, albeit literary ones, but does not stoop to the demolition of monuments No.
        1. -4
          30 July 2020 16: 17
          Quote: Invoce
          ... but does not go down to the demolition of monuments No.

          We have already passed this stage. I hope finally!

          In the world, I look fashionable to demolish memos ... and my own and not only ...

          The world is changing rapidly and monuments interfere with the formation of a new worldview ...
      2. +3
        30 July 2020 16: 49
        Quote: sibiryk
        It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.

        Well, they also have national heroes, Jan Zizka, and no matter how they treat the Czechs, General Ludwig Svoboda is also a national hero, but there are no monuments to him, but there are Germans.
      3. 0
        30 July 2020 21: 49
        Quote: sibiryk
        It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.

        We need to erect a monument to an abstract Czech with two asses and four chairs on which he wants to sit at the same time.
    4. +2
      30 July 2020 15: 23
      One gets the impression that we were not celebrating the anniversary of the Czech Republic, but of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in Vienna.
      Well, that’s all falling into place. Now we know who the Czechs are.
      1. -2
        30 July 2020 16: 14
        Quote: tihonmarine
        One gets the impression that we were not celebrating the anniversary of the Czech Republic, but of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in Vienna.
        Well, that’s all falling into place. Now we know who the Czechs are.

        On the one hand, it's good that all of us have opened our eyes to the "brothers", etc.
        So Vlad, everything that is not done for the better ..
    5. +2
      30 July 2020 15: 25
      In general, under the article ... Czechoslovakia is a brainchild, no, not so ... miscarriage of the Treaty of Versailles ... the heroes will take the miscarriage ... to Jan ižka and the rest of the taborites put monuments ... uh uh let it go ...
      1. -1
        30 July 2020 16: 29
        Quote: parusnik
        In general, according to the article ... Czechoslovakia is a brainchild, no, not so ... miscarriage of the Treaty of Versailles..otkel heroes will take a miscarriage ..

        But it was so, only after the war in the USSR it was somehow modestly silent, like internationalism, etc. So they waited. When they are already spitting in our faces, all and sundry .. In the days of the Russian Empire, they did not particularly cerimonize with Europry ..
        As one of our emperors used to say, "Europe can wait while I fish."
        Well, something like that .. And we all express "concern" for all insults.
    6. +1
      30 July 2020 15: 36
      This whole topic is not about monuments and heroes, and not about the history of the Czech Republic in Austro-Hungary, and not about the history of the independent Czech Republic, this story about the geopolitical confrontation between the United States and Russia, it is from this that we must proceed. And the problems raised by the "storm" are not worth it, time will pass and the Czechs will not care again
      1. -3
        30 July 2020 15: 54
        Quote: Incompetent
        this story is about the geopolitical confrontation between the United States and Russia,

        ???? And for more details, how can a superpower resist the country of 3 mira. Is it not hard for America? by chance...
        1. bar
          +3
          30 July 2020 16: 10
          Think small. The confrontation between the Naglo-Saxons and Russia is natural, going at least since the time of Ivan the Terrible, when the British Empire began to form. And all this time the "Englishwoman crap", plotted against Russia, embroiled her in all kinds of wars and fornication. Throughout history, only Catherine more or less pinched their tail. Well, Pavel tried until he was killed with English money. And over time, this tradition of hatred as a rolling banner was adopted by the Naglo-Saxons of the striped states. So this confrontation is not geopolitical, but animal and natural. Well, all the other sticklers hate us to please their owner and for the owner's money. Business, nothing personal ...
          1. +3
            30 July 2020 16: 56
            Quote: bar
            And over time, this tradition of hatred as a passing banner was adopted by the Naglo-Saxons of the striped states.

            And the Naglo-Saxons were created from the same Anglo-Saxons. So it's the same swill, only poured into two glasses.
        2. 0
          30 July 2020 20: 49
          They are not only opposing the country of the third world, they are fighting with China with Iran, therefore it is difficult for them to enter into contradiction with Europe, but not because of Russia alone.
    7. +1
      30 July 2020 15: 37
      lack of modern public sacred work

      If translated into a normal language, the national idea is lacking. Come on! The idea has long been formed there. It remains to draw up a list of traitors, hypocrites, servants of the Germans for the pantheon.
      But there were many decent people in their history: Yaroslav Hasek, what ...... yes, Yaroslav Hasek. Yes .... Looks like only one. And he was born in Austria-Hungary.
      1. 0
        30 July 2020 16: 07
        Dominic is also allowed. Before him, many in the states did not even know that Czech Republic. There was a super goalkeeper.
      2. 0
        30 July 2020 22: 55
        Sertorius, - Jan Hus, Jan Zizka - for me the most famous Czechs, after reading a history textbook for high school. Are they taught in history lessons in the Czech Republic itself? The Czech who wrote the article was obliged to remember them, but kept silent, the fighters for the independence of the Czech Republic from the "united Europe under the Germans" are not held in high esteem in the Czech Republic today ...
    8. -1
      30 July 2020 15: 48
      The question is different: why did the independent Bohemia surrender, merge it with the former metropolis - Austria and that's the end bully
    9. +2
      30 July 2020 15: 50
      At the same time, the author calls Konev a "Soviet executioner", adding that at the same time, there are many monuments and memorial plaques around the country to "Czech executioners from among the representatives of the Communist Party." In particular, Antonin Zapotocki is mentioned, who headed the Czech government in 1948-1953. According to the author, they decided to remove the monuments to the leaders of the communist regime, but even here they did not go to the end.
      Klimesh immediately adds that the previously erected monuments "have the right to remain in their places."

      I think that he understands that in Russia there are also a lot of memorials really to the EXECUTIONERS from the Czech Republic ... they can also be demolished ...
      1. +5
        31 July 2020 00: 03
        Quote: svp67
        At the same time, the author calls Konev a "Soviet executioner", adding that at the same time, there are many monuments and memorial plaques around the country to "Czech executioners from among the representatives of the Communist Party." In particular, Antonin Zapotocki is mentioned, who headed the Czech government in 1948-1953. According to the author, they decided to remove the monuments to the leaders of the communist regime, but even here they did not go to the end.
        Klimesh immediately adds that the previously erected monuments "have the right to remain in their places."

        I think that he understands that in Russia there are also a lot of memorials really to the EXECUTIONERS from the Czech Republic ... they can also be demolished ...

        Yes. Well, at least, at the first stage, they would give an assessment to these monumental images at the state (official) level.
    10. +1
      30 July 2020 16: 00
      let the Austrian artist be given
    11. +1
      30 July 2020 16: 24
      Czechs have always fought. Against the Russians! And who raised the mutiny on the Trans-Siberian Railway ?! Czechs! We fought on the side of Germany!
      1. +2
        31 July 2020 00: 02
        I advise all "experts" to learn HISTORY, not Bolshevik tales. The young "Soviet" government worked off the German money paid for the collapse of Russia. Since 1914, the Czechoslovakians, together with Russia, fought against Austria-Hungary and against Germany, and the Bolshevik bastards wanted Czechoslovakia back under German control. Here are our ancestors and rebelled against the Bolsheviks. And we will rebel. Bolsheviks are not allowed to enter us. And Russia lived without the Bolsheviks and will learn to live, and without usurpers, too.
    12. +2
      30 July 2020 16: 24
      Who gave the present generation in different countries the right to decide anything for another generation?
      You didn’t erect the monument - it’s not for you to destroy it. If you demolish, they will demolish you too.
    13. +4
      30 July 2020 16: 43
      Every such trick of the Czechs proves 1968 was correct.
    14. 0
      30 July 2020 16: 43
      laughing Go on, Austro-Hungarian underpants are nicer than the hero of the Taborites.
    15. 0
      30 July 2020 16: 45
      In the Czech Republic: The monument to the Soviet marshal was removed, but the mind did not increase, that's the sadness. fool
    16. 0
      30 July 2020 16: 45
      It is necessary to erect monuments across Russia to all the soldiers who died in 1968.
      Equate everyone to the participants.
    17. 0
      30 July 2020 17: 00
      Yes, the USSR failed the idea of ​​proletarian heroes who are gradually falling into history. We need to rethink this, but what in return in the post-Soviet space? Nobody? This is not Czech, but the problem of the entire Russian world
    18. +1
      30 July 2020 18: 11
      The Czechs, along with the Slovaks (and other Central Europeans), quietly worked for Nazi Germany until May 1945. We repaired and produced armored vehicles and motorcycles. There were of course anti-fascists (no one disputes), but a minority.
      1. 0
        30 July 2020 18: 19
        Slovaks from 1.09.1939 were allies of Germany ("axis" countries)
        https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_Osand their_and_and_allies
      2. +1
        31 July 2020 08: 47
        Well yes. In Soviet history, many fables have been invented about Czech anti-fascists. But at these very factories, where the Czechs worked in the Stakhanov way, there was not a single act of sabotage during the entire war.
        1. 0
          31 July 2020 10: 16
          And the war ended not after the capture of Berlin, but after the capture (liberation) of Prague. soldier
    19. -1
      31 July 2020 08: 44
      Well, a lot of people can be put. You can start with a monument, even a memorial, to the murderers, rapists and robbers of the White Czechs. It is possible and even necessary to erect a monument to Heydrich, the Czechs sobbed after his murder by the British special services. Another monument to Czech workers who heroically worked in factories supplying the Wehrmacht. In short, they have enough there all sorts of mrazota "worthy" monuments.
    20. 0
      31 July 2020 11: 23
      The author is a little lost!
      Quote
      In the Czech Republic, there are disputes over the monument to Radetzky. On the one hand, he was a Czech nobleman, but on the other, which today especially oppresses local nationalists, he had no intention of speaking out for independence and served the Austrian court.


      These are local nationalists positively or negatively. The shirt is always closer to the torso than the jacket.

      The question itself is important!
      We must ask the question to whom in general in the Czech Republic we would like to erect monuments



      The people in the Czech Republic began to lose their IDENTITY OF THE PEOPLE !!! Not so long ago in the 19th century, something similar happened to the PRUSS !!! TODAY, PRUSS ARE NOT HERE, THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR MOTHER'S LANGUAGE, THREADS HAVE A PEOPLE IDENTITY!

      If the goal turns Chekhov into the new Germans then everything is fine! It remains only to change the language, for this 30 years are enough and the new ancient GERMANY will appear in Europe! How will they be named? Vikings, Varangians, Ostrogoty, Visigothi, Vandali, Wendy?


      Live were!
      OUR KIND, OUR KIND = PEOPLE! wink
      1. 0
        31 July 2020 11: 35
        That would know how the German language was created. OCHIM SIMPLY !!!
        For an example among the old Slavs, the word MAMA, when they spoke in the 3rd person said MOTHER! From there the Germans have MUTER! Or as they say for Angela Merkel the German MOOTER!
        laughing
        Maybe she will be the Czech MUTER? wink
        1. 0
          31 July 2020 11: 38
          And MAT is still in the Russian language, in the west OUR KIND said MATER now say MOOTER and they are NEMTSI! smile
          1. 0
            31 July 2020 11: 40
            So the story is deceiving, it is not so simple as they write in books.
    21. 0
      31 July 2020 13: 12
      I dare to assume that the Czechs have no significant heroes of the Second World War! So, there seems to be a story. Medieval pages, the beginning of the last century .... And during the Second World War, Czechoslovakia diligently worked for the Wehrmacht. Supplied to the Hitlerite army, aircraft engines, tanks (Skoda ..), artillery pieces, a huge amount of small arms (machine guns ZB26, ZB30, Mauser 98 rifles, pistols ...) and all kinds of ammunition. Received a good salary in the Reichsmarks. Normal ration.

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