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In the Czech Republic: The monument to the Soviet marshal was removed, and the monument to the Austrian marshal is ready to be erected

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The Czech press published an article by the observer David Klimes about the situation with monuments in the country. The journalist writes that, removing the monuments from the pedestals, in the Czech Republic they are only now beginning to think about who should be erected instead of them.


According to the author of Aktualne, David Klimes, 30 years after the complete collapse of the socialist system in the Czech Republic, they have not been able to form their own version of the pantheon of heroes who could be immortalized in the form of monuments.

From the material:

One gets the impression that we were not celebrating the anniversary of the Czech Republic, but of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in Vienna.

Further, the author cites as an example the initiative of the authorities of the Prague-1 district to install a monument to Marshal Josef Radetzky in the center of the Czech capital. This man in the XNUMXth century was in the service of the Austro-Hungarian crown, was the Viceroy of Lombardy-Venice. At one time, this monument was already in Prague.

It is noted that the monument to the Soviet marshal was removed, and the monument to the Austrian marshal is ready to be erected.

In the Czech Republic, there are disputes over the monument to Radetzky. On the one hand, he was a Czech nobleman, but on the other, which today especially oppresses local nationalists, he had no intention of speaking out for independence and served the Austrian court.

The author also writes about a memorial column in honor of the Archduchess of Austria Maria Theresa, Empress of the Holy Roman Empire.

According to the Czech journalist, after that it will remain "to restore the position of the Prague governor", hinting at the times when governors from Vienna were appointed to rule on the territory of modern Czech Republic.

From the material:

Instead of a monument to Marshal Konev in Prague-6, there is now an ugly chipboard.

At the same time, the author calls Konev a "Soviet executioner", adding that at the same time, there are many monuments and memorial plaques around the country to "Czech executioners from among the representatives of the Communist Party." In particular, Antonin Zapotocki is mentioned, who headed the Czech government in 1948-1953. According to the author, they decided to remove the monuments to the leaders of the communist regime, but even here they did not go to the end.

Klimesh immediately adds that the previously erected monuments "have the right to remain in their places."

Czech columnist:

In general, it is worth pondering why the monuments of the past suddenly began to excite us.

The author notes that in the Czech Republic there is no systematic approach in this regard. Klimes believes that a new approach could bring the layers of Czech society together.

From the material:

Certainly, there is a lack of modern public sacred work that would be much better than a war for old and new columns. We must ask the question to whom in general in the Czech Republic we would like to erect monuments today.
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  1. Bulgarian
    Bulgarian 30 July 2020 15: 13 New
    +7
    Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 30 July 2020 15: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Bulgarian
      Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

      The Czechs? Well that's not true.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 30 July 2020 15: 44 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Bulgarian
        Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

        The Czechs? Well that's not true.

        Of course there were Czechoslovak anti-fascists,
        of modern heroes: soldier Schweik, MOLE with an elastic band ...
        But what a deflection towards Western democracy! good A Czech who did not support Czech independence is a national hero! And those who liberated Czechoslovakia from fascism, who died in the battles for Czechoslovakia - the invaders ... This is ... no words!
        They say History is not a teacher, but an overseer and an undertaker rolled into one. Those who have not learned her lessons do not live up to the test! No.
      2. Clear
        Clear 30 July 2020 23: 57 New
        +5
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Bulgarian
        Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

        The Czechs? Well that's not true.

        Арон, ну Вы тогда объясняйте, почему не верно, иначе на российском сайте могут сформулировать Ваш ответ с использованием слов "... глаза и Божья роса...
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 31 July 2020 08: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Bulgarian
          Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes

          The Czechs? Well that's not true.

          Арон, ну Вы тогда объясняйте, почему не верно, иначе на российском сайте могут сформулировать Ваш ответ с использованием слов "... глаза и Божья роса...

          Well, the history of the Czech Republic is extremely rich. The first Slavic states of Samo and Great Moravia had their center in Bohemia. The independent Bohemian kingdom, which existed until the 15th century, produced a lot of interesting historical figures. The Hussite movement, which shook the entire center of Europe, is recognized as the forerunner of the Reformation. Well, the modern history of the Czech Republic knows quite a few outstanding personalities.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 15: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Bulgarian
      Here's a bad luck. Suffice it, but there are no heroes


      The need to lick the Germans' ass has moved to the genetic level among the Czechs. By the way, Josef Radetzky is a German.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 30 July 2020 15: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        By the way, Josef Radetzky is a German.

        Из чешской дворянской семьи. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%99%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%84
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 July 2020 16: 46 New
          -2
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          From a Czech noble family.

          Most likely from the peasant.
      2. iouris
        iouris 30 July 2020 21: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        and Josef Radetzky is just a German.

        "Император Николай I присвоил Радецкому почётный чин генерал-фельдмаршала Российской Императорской Армии и назначил шефом Белорусского гусарского полка, коему повелено именоваться Гусарским Генерал-Фельдмаршала Графа Радецкого полком."
        Nicholas I is also German.
    3. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 30 July 2020 19: 17 New
      +4
      Andrew, - Jan Hus 1369-1415, Jan Zizka from Trocnov 1360-1424. Lumps, titans of the Czech people, although they are heroes of a different faith and supporters of an INDEPENDENT Czech Republic ...
    4. iouris
      iouris 30 July 2020 19: 58 New
      +1
      The Czech Republic has existed for less than thirty years. The monument to the Austrian marshal is a sign. In the future, this state has little chance of remaining: they will be included in the new Habsburg macroregion (together with Galicia).
      1. Drummer
        Drummer 1 August 2020 10: 36 New
        0
        The same can be said about the Russian Federation, with even greater grounds.
  2. Tuzik
    Tuzik 30 July 2020 15: 13 New
    +5
    "Вообще стоит задуматься над тем, почему памятники прошлого внезапно стали нас будоражить."
    A bad example is contagious.
    "Мы должны задать вопрос, кому вообще в Чехии хотели бы сегодня устанавливать памятники."
    Mikhail Nikolayevich, 20 years ago, suggested making monuments with unscrewing, changing heads. It's cheaper this way.
  3. sibiryk
    sibiryk 30 July 2020 15: 22 New
    +6
    It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 30 July 2020 15: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: sibiryk
      It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.

      The monument to the brave soldier Schweik has already been erected at Balkan Square, 5B, St. Petersburg.
      Russia honors Czechoslovak heroes, albeit literary ones, but does not stoop to the demolition of monuments No.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 30 July 2020 16: 17 New
        -4
        Quote: Invoce
        ... but does not go down to the demolition of monuments No.

        We have already passed this stage. I hope finally!

        In the world, I look fashionable to demolish memos ... and my own and not only ...

        The world is changing rapidly and monuments interfere with the formation of a new worldview ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 30 July 2020 16: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: sibiryk
      It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.

      Well, they also have national heroes, Jan Zizka, and no matter how they treat the Czechs, General Ludwig Svoboda is also a national hero, but there are no monuments to him, but there are Germans.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 30 July 2020 21: 49 New
      0
      Quote: sibiryk
      It remains to erect monuments to Svejk, let the Czechs rack their brains.

      We need to erect a monument to an abstract Czech with two asses and four chairs on which he wants to sit at the same time.
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 30 July 2020 15: 23 New
    +2
    One gets the impression that we were not celebrating the anniversary of the Czech Republic, but of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in Vienna.
    Well, that’s all falling into place. Now we know who the Czechs are.
    1. Lumumbo
      Lumumbo 30 July 2020 16: 14 New
      -2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      One gets the impression that we were not celebrating the anniversary of the Czech Republic, but of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy in Vienna.
      Well, that’s all falling into place. Now we know who the Czechs are.

      С одной стороны и хорошо ,что нам всем глаза открыли на "братьев" и т.д.
      So Vlad, everything that is not done for the better ..
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 30 July 2020 15: 25 New
    +2
    In general, under the article ... Czechoslovakia is a brainchild, no, not so ... miscarriage of the Treaty of Versailles ... the heroes will take the miscarriage ... to Jan ižka and the rest of the taborites put monuments ... uh uh let it go ...
    1. Lumumbo
      Lumumbo 30 July 2020 16: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      In general, according to the article ... Czechoslovakia is a brainchild, no, not so ... miscarriage of the Treaty of Versailles..otkel heroes will take a miscarriage ..

      But it was so, only after the war in the USSR it was somehow modestly silent, like internationalism, etc. So they waited. When they are already spitting in our faces, all and sundry .. In the days of the Russian Empire, they did not particularly cerimonize with Europry ..
      Как говаоивал один наш император " Европа может подождать ,пока я рыбачу ."
      Ну что то такое..А мы все "озабоченность " высказываем на все оскорбления .
  6. Incompetent
    Incompetent 30 July 2020 15: 36 New
    +1
    Эта вся тема не про памятники и героев, и не про историю Чехию в Австровенгрии, и не про историю незалежной Чехии, эта историю про геополитическое противостояние США и России, именно из этого надо исходить. А поднятые "бурей" проблемы того не стоят, время пройдёт и чехам опять будет пофиг
    1. apro
      apro 30 July 2020 15: 54 New
      -3
      Quote: Incompetent
      this story is about the geopolitical confrontation between the United States and Russia,

      ???? And for more details, how can a superpower resist the country of 3 mira. Is it not hard for America? by chance...
      1. bar
        bar 30 July 2020 16: 10 New
        +3
        Мелко мыслите. Противостояние наглосаксов с Россией природное, идёт минимум со времён Ивана Грозного, когда началась образовываться британская империя. И всё это время "англичанка гадила", строила козни против России, втравливала её во всяческие войны и блуд. За всю историю только Екатерина более-менее прищемила им хвост. Ну и Павел пытался, пока его не убили на английские же деньги. А со временем эту традицию ненависти как переходящее знамя приняли и наглосаксы полосатых штатов. Так что это противостояние не геополитическое, а животное и природное. Ну а все остальные прилипалы ненавидят нас в угоду своему хозяину и за хозяйские деньги. Бизнес, ничего личного...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 30 July 2020 16: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: bar
          And over time, this tradition of hatred as a passing banner was adopted by the Naglo-Saxons of the striped states.

          And the Naglo-Saxons were created from the same Anglo-Saxons. So it's the same swill, only poured into two glasses.
      2. Incompetent
        Incompetent 30 July 2020 20: 49 New
        0
        They are not only opposing the country of the third world, they are fighting with China with Iran, therefore it is difficult for them to enter into contradiction with Europe, but not because of Russia alone.
  7. Sertorius
    Sertorius 30 July 2020 15: 37 New
    +1
    lack of modern public sacred work

    If translated into a normal language, the national idea is lacking. Come on! The idea has long been formed there. It remains to draw up a list of traitors, hypocrites, servants of the Germans for the pantheon.
    But there were many decent people in their history: Yaroslav Hasek, what ...... yes, Yaroslav Hasek. Yes .... Looks like only one. And he was born in Austria-Hungary.
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 30 July 2020 16: 07 New
      0
      Dominic is also allowed. Before him, many in the states did not even know that Czech Republic. There was a super goalkeeper.
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 30 July 2020 22: 55 New
      0
      Sertorius, - Ян Гус, Ян Жижка - для меня самые известные чехи, после прочтения учебника истории для средней школы. Изучают ли их на уроках истории в самой Чехии ? Чех писавший статью обязан был у помянуть их, а промолчал, борцы за независимость Чехии от "единой Европы под немцами" сегодня в Чехии не в почёте...
  8. Operator
    Operator 30 July 2020 15: 48 New
    -1
    The question is different: why did the independent Bohemia surrender, merge it with the former metropolis - Austria and that's the end bully
  9. svp67
    svp67 30 July 2020 15: 50 New
    +2
    At the same time, the author calls Konev a "Soviet executioner", adding that at the same time, there are many monuments and memorial plaques around the country to "Czech executioners from among the representatives of the Communist Party." In particular, Antonin Zapotocki is mentioned, who headed the Czech government in 1948-1953. According to the author, they decided to remove the monuments to the leaders of the communist regime, but even here they did not go to the end.
    Klimesh immediately adds that the previously erected monuments "have the right to remain in their places."

    I think that he understands that in Russia there are also a lot of memorials really to the EXECUTIONERS from the Czech Republic ... they can also be demolished ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 31 July 2020 00: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      At the same time, the author calls Konev a "Soviet executioner", adding that at the same time, there are many monuments and memorial plaques around the country to "Czech executioners from among the representatives of the Communist Party." In particular, Antonin Zapotocki is mentioned, who headed the Czech government in 1948-1953. According to the author, they decided to remove the monuments to the leaders of the communist regime, but even here they did not go to the end.
      Klimesh immediately adds that the previously erected monuments "have the right to remain in their places."

      I think that he understands that in Russia there are also a lot of memorials really to the EXECUTIONERS from the Czech Republic ... they can also be demolished ...

      Yes. Well, at least, at the first stage, they would give an assessment to these monumental images at the state (official) level.
  10. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 30 July 2020 16: 00 New
    +1
    let the Austrian artist be given
  11. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 30 July 2020 16: 24 New
    +1
    Czechs have always fought. Against the Russians! And who raised the mutiny on the Trans-Siberian Railway ?! Czechs! We fought on the side of Germany!
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 31 July 2020 00: 02 New
      +2
      Всем "знатокам" советую научуться ИСТОРИЮ, а не большевистские сказки. Молодое "советское" правительство отрабатывало германские деньги заплаченные за развал России. Чехословаки с 1914 года, вместе с Россией, воевали против Австро-Венгрии и против Германии, а сволочи-большевики захотели Чехословакию вернуть под управление немцами. Вот наши предки и восстали против большевиков. И восставать будем. К нам вход большевикам запрещён. И Россия без большевиков жила и жить научится, и без узурпаторов, тоже.
  12. prior
    prior 30 July 2020 16: 24 New
    +2
    Who gave the present generation in different countries the right to decide anything for another generation?
    You didn’t erect the monument - it’s not for you to destroy it. If you demolish, they will demolish you too.
  13. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 30 July 2020 16: 43 New
    +4
    Every such trick of the Czechs proves 1968 was correct.
  14. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 30 July 2020 16: 43 New
    0
    laughing Go on, Austro-Hungarian underpants are nicer than the hero of the Taborites.
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 July 2020 16: 45 New
    0
    In the Czech Republic: The monument to the Soviet marshal was removed, but the mind did not increase, that's the sadness. fool
  16. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 30 July 2020 16: 45 New
    0
    It is necessary to erect monuments across Russia to all the soldiers who died in 1968.
    Equate everyone to the participants.
  17. Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 30 July 2020 17: 00 New
    0
    Yes, the USSR failed the idea of ​​proletarian heroes who are gradually falling into history. We need to rethink this, but what in return in the post-Soviet space? Nobody? This is not Czech, but the problem of the entire Russian world
  18. ltc22A
    ltc22A 30 July 2020 18: 11 New
    +1
    The Czechs, along with the Slovaks (and other Central Europeans), quietly worked for Nazi Germany until May 1945. We repaired and produced armored vehicles and motorcycles. There were of course anti-fascists (no one disputes), but a minority.
    1. ltc22A
      ltc22A 30 July 2020 18: 19 New
      0
      Словаки с 1.09.1939 г были союзниками Германии (страны "оси")
      https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countries_Osand their_and_and_allies
    2. Gunter prereen
      Gunter prereen 31 July 2020 08: 47 New
      +1
      Well yes. In Soviet history, many fables have been invented about Czech anti-fascists. But at these very factories, where the Czechs worked in the Stakhanov way, there was not a single act of sabotage during the entire war.
      1. ltc22A
        ltc22A 31 July 2020 10: 16 New
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        And the war ended not after the capture of Berlin, but after the capture (liberation) of Prague. soldier
  19. Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 31 July 2020 08: 44 New
    -1
    Ну много кому можно поставить. Начать можно с памятника, даже с мемориала, убийцам, насильникам и грабителям белочехам. Можно и даже нужно поставить памятник Гейдриху, чехи ведь так рыдали после его убийства английскими спецслужбами. Еще памятник чешским рабочим, героически трудившимся на заводах, снабжающих вермахт. Короче хватает у них там разного рода мразоты "достойных" памятников.
  20. Wolf
    Wolf 31 July 2020 11: 23 New
    0
    The author is a little lost!
    Quote
    In the Czech Republic, there are disputes over the monument to Radetzky. On the one hand, he was a Czech nobleman, but on the other, which today especially oppresses local nationalists, he had no intention of speaking out for independence and served the Austrian court.


    These are local nationalists positively or negatively. The shirt is always closer to the torso than the jacket.

    The question itself is important!
    We must ask the question to whom in general in the Czech Republic we would like to erect monuments



    The people in the Czech Republic began to lose their IDENTITY OF THE PEOPLE !!! Not so long ago in the 19th century, something similar happened to the PRUSS !!! TODAY, PRUSS ARE NOT HERE, THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR MOTHER'S LANGUAGE, THREADS HAVE A PEOPLE IDENTITY!

    If the goal turns Chekhov into the new Germans then everything is fine! It remains only to change the language, for this 30 years are enough and the new ancient GERMANY will appear in Europe! How will they be named? Vikings, Varangians, Ostrogoty, Visigothi, Vandali, Wendy?


    Live were!
    OUR KIND, OUR KIND = PEOPLE! wink
    1. Wolf
      Wolf 31 July 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      That would know how the German language was created. OCHIM SIMPLY !!!
      For an example among the old Slavs, the word MAMA, when they spoke in the 3rd person said MOTHER! From there the Germans have MUTER! Or as they say for Angela Merkel the German MOOTER!
      laughing
      Maybe she will be the Czech MUTER? wink
      1. Wolf
        Wolf 31 July 2020 11: 38 New
        0
        And MAT is still in the Russian language, in the west OUR KIND said MATER now say MOOTER and they are NEMTSI! smile
        1. Wolf
          Wolf 31 July 2020 11: 40 New
          0
          So the story is deceiving, it is not so simple as they write in books.
  21. Keldysh Mstislav
    Keldysh Mstislav 31 July 2020 13: 12 New
    0
    I dare to assume that the Czechs have no significant heroes of the Second World War! So, there seems to be a story. Medieval pages, the beginning of the last century .... And during the Second World War, Czechoslovakia diligently worked for the Wehrmacht. Supplied to the Hitlerite army, aircraft engines, tanks (Skoda ..), artillery pieces, a huge amount of small arms (machine guns ZB26, ZB30, Mauser 98 rifles, pistols ...) and all kinds of ammunition. Received a good salary in the Reichsmarks. Normal ration.