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Serial production of anti-tank anti-roof mines has begun in Russia

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Serial production of anti-tank anti-roof mines has begun in Russia

In Russia, the serial production of special anti-tank mines has been organized to hit armored vehicles at the top of the tower. This was reported by "Interfax" with reference to an informed source.


As the newspaper writes, the Russian army is already receiving special anti-tank mines designed to defeat tanks the most vulnerable part is the top of the tower. The deliveries are still in small batches. At the same time, the source did not specify what kind of mines the Russian military received.

However, judging by the publications of the Russian media over the past years, we can talk about the anti-roof mine PTKM-1R, the development of which was reported at the beginning of 2018. At the same time, it was reported about the beginning of tests of an experimental batch of mines in the troops.

The PTKM-1R mine itself is a cylinder the size of an ordinary fire extinguisher and weighing about 20 kg. After installation and activation, it opens like a flower, petals are separated from the body, holding it in an upright position. A mine can remain on a combat platoon for up to 10 days at temperatures from minus 40 to plus 30 degrees, after which it can self-destruct. The range of the mine is about 100 meters, the target detection range is 150-250 meters. A combined sensor (seismic and thermal) is installed on the mine.

When a tank or armored vehicle is detected, the mine tilts slightly in the desired direction. When the target is in the affected area, the submunition is launched. It takes off to a height of several tens of meters, finds an armored object using a thermal imager and shoots a shock core made of red-hot metal into the roof of the tower

- told the Ministry of Defense in 2018.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 30 July 2020 11: 44 New
    +5
    When a tank or armored vehicle is detected, the mine tilts slightly in the desired direction. When the target is in the affected area, the submunition is launched. It takes off to a height of several tens of meters, finds an armored object using a thermal imager and shoots a shock core made of red-hot metal into the roof of the tower
    M, yes ... and the ATGM "fired and forgot" that's how it is not how to do it we can not ... already somehow strange
    1. figwam
      figwam 30 July 2020 11: 48 New
      +7
      Serial production of anti-tank anti-roof mines has begun in Russia

      Well, on the other hand, it's definitely cheaper than Javelin.
      1. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 31 July 2020 09: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        Well, on the other hand, it's definitely cheaper than Javelin.

        If we assume that each such mine will shoot at a target, like the Javelin, then yes, definitely cheaper. But how many of them will be required to sow the area, will the enemy's equipment pass there in 10 days (then self-destruction, do not forget)?

        PS We are waiting for the strengthening of the roof armor on new models)
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 30 July 2020 11: 48 New
      +1
      For that, cheap and cheerful. Certainly cheaper javelin in my opinion will come out
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 July 2020 12: 14 New
        10
        Quote: K-612-O
        For that, cheap and cheerful. Certainly cheaper javelin in my opinion will come out

        So, the action of a similar American mine is schematically presented, but the Russian development, due to the presence of a thermal sensor, and significantly longer distances for detecting and hitting a target, looks more perfect.

        1. riwas
          riwas 31 July 2020 04: 33 New
          0
          In addition to the WAM M93 Hornet (Hornet), which can penetrate up to 90 mm of armor, the United States also has more advanced models - Intelligent Munitions System (IMS) - an intelligent weapon system (film "Weapons of the Future", Discovery Channel - Future Weaps). In one block of which several anti-tank and anti-personnel (for self-defense) modules are combined. After firing the module with a mine, the latter attacks the target from above. One module "covers" an area of ​​10000 m2. The unit can operate autonomously or under the control of an operator.
          1. riwas
            riwas 1 August 2020 06: 13 New
            +1
            Stills from the documentary "Weapons of the Future" Intelligent Munitions System (IMS) - an intelligent weapon system
            https://my.mail.ru/bk/golovachevv/video/609/960.html

    3. Svetlana
      Svetlana 30 July 2020 12: 43 New
      +6
      We can do it, but everything depends on the price. The same javelins are expensive for a reason, from a lantern, but in the cost of components, in the cost of materials used.
      And what the United States, which sells its dollars all over the world, can afford, Russia cannot always afford.
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 July 2020 12: 48 New
        +7
        Quote: Svetlana
        And what the United States, which sells its dollars all over the world, can afford, Russia cannot always afford.

        It seems to me that these new mines, with a bunch of all kinds of sensitive sensors and clearly adapted for remote installation, cannot be called cheap either ...
        Even TM-83 will obviously be cheaper
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 30 July 2020 12: 50 New
      -3
      spv67 - we made a shot at one of the ATGMs, according to the principle of "fire and forget"! hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 July 2020 12: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        we made a shot at one of the ATGMs, according to the principle of "fire and forget"!

        I know, for a helicopter, but not a portable ...
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 30 July 2020 12: 54 New
          +2
          spv67 - this will be news for you, but also for the portable one, so to speak, a surprise for the enemy. ...
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 July 2020 12: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Thrifty
            a surprise to the enemy, so to speak. ...

            For me as well...
    5. lopvlad
      lopvlad 30 July 2020 13: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      and ATGM "fired and forgot" that's how it is not how to do we can not


      this "shot and forgot" the American javelin is effective only against the Zulu army. In a war with a real enemy, the automation of the javelin is leveled by its long aiming and relatively low noise immunity of the complex.
      It is better to keep silent about the price of "toys".
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 July 2020 13: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: lopvlad
        When at war with a real enemy, Javelin automation

        And "Spike"? This complex has already proven itself perfectly in a combat situation, even "Pantsiri" has already been credited to its account
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 30 July 2020 14: 23 New
          +9
          Quote: svp67
          even "Armor" has already recorded


          one unmanned vehicle? Yes, great reason to be proud. While the cost of the spike rocket is not much from the rocket from the javelin, jamming diseases are also present.
          Whether the Russian Cornet versus the Merkava Mk tank on August 4.12, 2006, during the Second Lebanon War, Hezbollah knocked out 11 of 24 Israeli tanks with it.
      2. Torak
        Torak 30 July 2020 15: 51 New
        +1
        If only that. There are a lot of disadvantages.
      3. t7310
        t7310 31 July 2020 07: 51 New
        0
        this "shot and forgot" the American javelin is effective only against the Zulu army. In a war with a real enemy, the automation of the javelin is leveled by its long aiming and relatively low noise immunity of the complex.
        It is better to keep silent about the price of "toys".


        and it is as if we are not at war with the "Zulu" and are not going to fight? tanks "(expensive means) cheap and angry than not a police army, as if the Americans can afford to use the Zulu from the Javelin and drive" tanks "and this raises their prestige against the background of our army ...
        1. vVvAD
          vVvAD 2 August 2020 02: 00 New
          0
          And against the Zulus it is expensive. There are much cheaper and equally effective options.
          And let the Americans go broke for their Javelins, Super zippers and other "high-tech" stuff. Technologies are simply different.
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 July 2020 14: 13 New
      +2
      Too expensive a seeker for such a missile is like shooting with a sophisticated 3+ generation thermal imager.
    7. Konatantin 1992
      Konatantin 1992 30 July 2020 19: 10 New
      -1
      I absolutely agree, China already has it, but we have everything Bassoons, Competitions, Mestizos, at best a Cornet
    8. Yurij Alekseev
      Yurij Alekseev 31 July 2020 08: 13 New
      0
      Here, too, threw it off and forgot. In a tank-hazardous direction. I sowed a plot from any plane. And try to slip through.
    9. Woland
      Woland 31 July 2020 11: 15 New
      -1
      This is an asymmetric response to the javelin
    10. vVvAD
      vVvAD 2 August 2020 01: 58 New
      +1
      Why can't we? There is no need. Their Javelins fly only 3 km on a wire, and you can't lie down with it, like with an RPG, and you can't shoot right away - you need to cool this muyovin first, and it is also several times more expensive than the same Cornets, which hit almost 2 maximum ranges of a tank gun. Of course, the crew, keeping the mark on the target, is vulnerable - but not for the tank when firing from such distances.
      We just fight differently.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 5 August 2020 13: 29 New
        0
        Just yesterday there were discussions about the javelin. I expressed my point of view that it is not there because it was not ordered from the Ministry of Defense.
        I rummaged through the Internet and found that the decision to develop an analogue was made in 2018, it is not known whether the development itself began. It took the United States 10 years to develop a javelin before entering production, while India had an analogue developed for a quarter of a century.
        That's why we don't have it, we just harness it for a long time.
  2. Shadow041
    Shadow041 30 July 2020 11: 47 New
    +8
    The main thing is that these mines are not supplied abroad, especially to the former republics of the USSR, who are sick with Russophobia, by which they can be used against the Russian Federation.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 30 July 2020 11: 51 New
    +4
    For what reason is the upper temperature limit of operation on a combat platoon only 30 degrees (Celsius?)?
    Or a typo?
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 30 July 2020 11: 53 New
      +6
      Well, the guidance is thermal, it can cool more difficult
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 30 July 2020 18: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Roman_VH
        Well, the guidance is thermal, it can cool more difficult

        Well, this is how they tighten up the technique in life to the conditions, and not vice versa. Apparently, the technique is damp, i.e. mine. Although her legs have been growing since the early 80s.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 July 2020 11: 56 New
      +8
      Probably, the mine detects the tank by the heat from the engine. If the mine itself is overheated, then the temperature difference sensor will not work.
      1. novel66
        novel66 30 July 2020 12: 14 New
        +6
        that's just
        hot metal impact core
        what's this? inept description of the shaped charge?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 July 2020 12: 30 New
          13
          Quote: novel xnumx
          what's this? inept description of the shaped charge?

          Not,"cumulative jet", and"shock core ", these are similar due to the general principles of occurrence, but still somewhat various phenomenon.
        2. Torak
          Torak 30 July 2020 15: 53 New
          +1
          I think so, because the molten metal there simply has nowhere to come from.
        3. hydrox
          hydrox 30 July 2020 19: 16 New
          +1
          Hooked well!
          I sit and think: how do they heat the core for a flying mortar! ??
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 31 July 2020 09: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            Hooked well!
            I sit and think: how do they heat the core for a flying mortar! ??

            Journalists love to add gag
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          2. vVvAD
            vVvAD 2 August 2020 02: 02 New
            +1
            Just read up on the Impact Core and don't talk bullshit.
    3. novel66
      novel66 30 July 2020 12: 15 New
      +4
      in fact, everything military up to +50 is developed
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 July 2020 12: 35 New
        +4
        +50 is this age? laughing
        Then I can't watch this development. crying
        1. novel66
          novel66 30 July 2020 12: 36 New
          +4
          they write about age: 50 + we have already been developed for a long time ... half a resource, go, passed crying
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 30 July 2020 12: 39 New
            +2
            I will only add: the mine is hypersonic!
            Bounces at hypersonic speed. fellow
            The missile defense of a modern tank will not be able to intercept it.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 13: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              I will only add: the mine is hypersonic!
              Jumps at hypersonic speed

              Are you kidding me? Or today "a little", "not in yourself"? what
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 30 July 2020 13: 15 New
                +2
                I was just joking. drinks
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 13: 54 New
                  +3
                  Wow, relieved! You take care of yourself! hi
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 July 2020 14: 22 New
              +5
              Yes, the shock core flies at a speed of 1,5 - 2 kilometers per second millimeters 150 - 200 will most likely be able to penetrate this mine based on existing cluster munitions
              - so unfold the Trophy to the upper hemisphere
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 30 July 2020 14: 46 New
                +2
                This is another - the fifth - radar.
                And, perhaps, another "shooter".
                Rise in price. But this is where the attacking means are improving all the time.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 30 July 2020 17: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  This is another - the fifth - radar.
                  And, perhaps, another "shooter".

                  I don't think it will work. When a mine shoots up a submunition and it hangs in the air for some time (and this may be 100-200 m from the tank), the KAZ computer does not recognize it as a danger, and when it shoots a "shock core" towards the tank, then the "core" can no longer be intercepted, especially with your mechanical guidance of the mortar.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 30 July 2020 22: 45 New
                    0
                    Mina is very exotic, to be honest.
                    Never used in combat conditions.
                    Therefore, to say whether KAZ will help or not ...?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 31 July 2020 00: 30 New
                      +1
                      In fact, such a projectile can only be intercepted with a throwing plate, since the impact core is, in essence, a light sub-caliber projectile in the form of a bunch of hot copper with significant kinetic energy.
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 30 July 2020 12: 55 New
            +2
            half a resource

            You flatter yourself, however))
            1. novel66
              novel66 30 July 2020 12: 57 New
              +3
              I know my worth! hi
  4. Insurgent
    Insurgent 30 July 2020 11: 56 New
    12
    The PTKM-1R mine itself is a cylinder the size of an ordinary fire extinguisher and weighing about 20 kg. After installation and activation, it opens like a flower, petals are separated from the body, holding it in an upright position. A mine can remain on a combat platoon for up to 10 days at temperatures from minus 40 to plus 30 degrees, after which it can self-destruct. The range of the mine is about 100 meters, the target detection range is 150-250 meters. A combined sensor (seismic and thermal) is installed on the mine.

    This (highlighted in the quote) parameter is very important, because the stability of the self-liquidation period is not unimportant.
    So, for example, for POM-2 mines fired from the KPOM container, during combat use in various weather conditions (heat, frost, humidity), this parameter significantly went beyond the performance characteristics.
    This leads to the self-destruction of the mine much earlier than the deadline, or even its "fading" with subsequent unpredictable behavior.

    You sit in a trench, and suddenly - "Bah-bah !!!" laughing And sho it was belay ? Ah-ah recourse ... So this is a mine that did not work a week or two ago ...
    1. paco.soto
      paco.soto 30 July 2020 12: 12 New
      +4
      Like an eyewitness.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 30 July 2020 12: 20 New
        13
        Quote: paco.soto
        Like an eyewitness.

        Yes it was,once upon a time a business...
        At home there is still a "thread" from POM-2 with a spring-weight somewhere lying around. I "picked up" somewhere in the "neutral" with the front sight of my PKK, in the dark ...

        It's good that POM-2 worked, but what if not? laughing
        1. paco.soto
          paco.soto 30 July 2020 12: 25 New
          +1
          It's good that POM-2 worked, but what if not? laughing ©
          In a boring fatherly voice: is this funny now? Die in any situation ?!
          Regards to you.
  5. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 30 July 2020 11: 59 New
    -7
    And the tank definitely has such a thing as "tower roof" ??? ... quietly rustling with slate, the roof goes slowly after meeting with an intellectual mine. And in general, I have already read about such submunitions on this resource ... which are thrown off planes, they have the shape of a can with petals, a system for detecting and aiming at a target-tank and defeat it with a cumulative nucleus in the upper projection of the tower (that is, the roof is flat) , but if the roof of the tank is in the shape of a birdhouse, then since the core has the shape of a ball ... it can slide down the sloping slope of the roof, and starlings-tankers will have a chance to survive and take revenge. wassat
    1. sibiryk
      sibiryk 30 July 2020 12: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: viktor_ui
      And the tank definitely has such a thing as "tower roof" ???
      There is such a concept, only there is no "tower bottom", but there is a hatch cover.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 30 July 2020 14: 30 New
        0
        The bottom or the base of the tower ... the shoulder strap of the tower ... the bottom of the tower or the bottom of the barrel with the reservoir together wassat Is there an attic at the roof of the tank turret? And who covers it ..., this very roof of the tower together with the hatch cover to a heap fellow Here the cellar near the tower may be ... powder (and not even one). Is it possible to lift the hatch cover together with the roof of the tower, together with the knockout panels of this very roof ??? And where does the tax + antimonopoly service look with such a number of roofing elements? Smacks of corruption bully
        1. Alisher
          Alisher 31 July 2020 09: 16 New
          +2
          Patter:
          On a dark night, otters in the tundra poke buckets from the roof of the tower.
          Otters carry leggings in buckets, fish eggs, cedar kernels.
          Unhappy with the roofs of the tower, that they steal buckets of otters
          To create order, mines were buried in the tundra.
          Mine cannonballs fly up, beat otters in the muzzles,
          But having missed for some reason, they beat those balls into the roofs of the tower.
          Don't save roof buckets against those shock cores.
          They pierce the cores of the roof and tear off the roof of the tower.

          PS If everything is confused in the eyes, just know, the roof cannonballs hit the rats in the face, that the eggs wanted to steal.
  6. moreman78
    moreman78 30 July 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    I read about American anti-roof mines for the first time in the Foreign Military Review in 1991! I don’t remember the number, I’m just too lazy to roll around in the filing. Didn't we have anything like this all this time?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 July 2020 12: 12 New
      12
      I think this is a symbiosis of an anti-helicopter mine and part of a warhead with SPBE-D. The first one implements serif and throw towards the target, the second one is direct search and defeat. Both that and another in the troops have long been and tested.

      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 13: 31 New
        +8
        Quote: NDR-791
        I think this is a symbiosis of an anti-helicopter mine and part of a warhead with SPBE-D

        Not exactly ... but you "guessed" something! As a warhead, it really is, in fact, SPBE! Moreover, at one time, the same design bureau developed the Temp-20 anti-helicopter mine (PVM) and the Temp-30 anti-roof mine, which, it seems, is the prototype of the PTKM! So ... the warhead of the "Temp-30" mine was SPBE (SPBE-B or "Motiv" ... I don't remember now ...), and this warhead was "fired" with the help of a 57-mm C-5 engine.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 July 2020 12: 16 New
      +4
      No.
      But it was even cooler, the kilogram M-225, designed to engage group targets. 40 KOBE shot laughing
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 13: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: moreman78
      Didn't we have anything like this all this time?

      It is possible that it was ...! The fact is that, apparently, the prototype of the PTKM mine is the Temp-30 mine, which was developed at about the same period as the Temp-20 anti-helicopter mine!
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 31 July 2020 02: 47 New
        -2
        In less than 30 years of "breakthrough", they caught up (was it?) NATA with their M93 Hornet, ADW and others. By the way, in view of the fact that anti-roof mines (as well as others) only allow detaining the enemy, but do not provide any significant superiority, and, literally, orders of magnitude more expensive than anti-track and anti-bottom mines that cope with the same task (and there are also anti-aircraft ), incomparably more reliable, they have not received wide distribution. It turned out to be more promising to saturate the troops of the 3rd generation ATGM (for the same money), which, by the way, we still do not have and are not foreseen (at least for the infantry). But we are not looking for easy ways and firmly believe in the wunderwaffe. Truly "absurdist". what
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 July 2020 14: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: lexus
          but they do not provide any significant superiority, and, literally, are orders of magnitude more expensive than anti-track and anti-bottom ones that cope with the same task

          It's just a shame not to know the hardware so much.
          With "anti-caterpillar" and anti-bottom mines, mine sweepers, knife, roller and electromagnetic ones can easily cope.

          Quote: lexus
          and there are also anti-aircraft

          And again the materiel ..
          Which are installed much longer, only manually, work in a narrow sector ...



          ============================================
          Well, it's not yours ... Go, lie on political articles. There are fewer opportunities to get caught.
  7. Lebed
    Lebed 30 July 2020 12: 07 New
    16
    Something similar was invented against helicopters.
  8. tlauicol
    tlauicol 30 July 2020 12: 14 New
    -2
    Quote: figvam
    Serial production of anti-tank anti-roof mines has begun in Russia

    Well, on the other hand, it's definitely cheaper than Javelin.

    range 100m. unstable to wind temperatures, radio emission, etc. This is money down the drain - too many mines have to be placed in a tank-hazardous direction. Better intelligent ATGM
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 30 July 2020 12: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: Tlauicol
      This is money down the drain - too many mines have to be placed in a tank-hazardous direction.

      Not so "too much", about 20 pieces and a two-kilometer mining line in front of the anti-tank reserve deployment line. a shelf...
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 30 July 2020 19: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Tlauicol
        This is money down the drain - too many mines have to be placed in a tank-hazardous direction.

        Not so "too much", about 20 pieces and a two-kilometer mining line in front of the anti-tank reserve deployment line. a shelf...

        mining conditions: flat steppe without ravines, slopes, hills. no trees, buildings, power lines, lined equipment, fences, bushes nearby. the wind is also not welcome. smoke rain snow fog ... and it's worth it ..
        in general a good thing. no, thanks. give the pturs a sensible and cover 10 km of the front
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 30 July 2020 19: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Tlauicol
          mining conditions: flat steppe without ravines, slopes, hills. no trees, buildings, power lines, lined equipment, fences, bushes nearby. the wind is also not welcome. smoke rain snow fog ... and it's all worth it

          Sorry, but for the use of ATGM, these requirements are also applicable, and even more stringent.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 30 July 2020 19: 44 New
            +1
            ATM can be used from behind a tank, structure, bush, forest edge, slope, etc. advanced and from a tank or from a building. At the same time, they will block a wide front, they are not put on self-destruction, and the probability of defeat is several times higher.
            No, these mines are empty projection
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 30 July 2020 19: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: Tlauicol
              ATM can be used from behind a tank, structure, bush, forest edge, slope, etc.

              This mine is too.

              Quote: Tlauicol
              At the same time, they will block a wide front,

              Conditionally "overlap".

              Quote: Tlauicol
              No, these mines are empty projection

              These mines are part of a highly effective minefield. For example, they cannot be neutralized by a KMT or an electromagnetic trawl, which will force the enemy to be more careful and slow down more.
              This in turn will increase the chances of the PT unit.
            2. Lexus
              Lexus 31 July 2020 02: 54 New
              0
              Ivan hi , do not waste time on Lopatov. You can't prove to this oRlu that he was yelling. And in six months he will pass your thoughts off as his own, as if in spirit. I wrote a little higher about this crazy idea. I-otsky drank with zero efficiency.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 31 July 2020 14: 49 New
                +2
                You are not busy with that, you fell for a lie, so look for missing 1.3 million "fighters with the people"

                Do not go into what is not in the tooth with your foot. And then I will ask the standard time for the release of PTRes to the deployment lines. Which is in the public domain ....
  9. paco.soto
    paco.soto 30 July 2020 12: 16 New
    +1
    I read it with interest and caught myself on a nostalgic thought: it’s like reading the "technology of youth" magazine. Unfortunately, there is no time to google. Maybe someone will throw off the links?, Thanks in advance!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 July 2020 14: 55 New
      +1
      sent in a personal ...
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 30 July 2020 15: 46 New
        +1
        sent in a personal ... ©
        Sorry, I didn't find your message on my phone, unfortunately.
        Regards to you!
        1. Avior
          Avior 30 July 2020 16: 13 New
          -3
          Try to look in your profile posts on the site hi
          1. paco.soto
            paco.soto 30 July 2020 22: 40 New
            +1
            Try looking in your profile posts on hi ©
            Thank you, nothing works from the phone on this ... Banoy France
            Regards to you.
      2. paco.soto
        paco.soto 30 July 2020 22: 48 New
        +1

        This shows on the Sony phone
        1. Avior
          Avior 30 July 2020 22: 52 New
          -1
          So you just need to open the first message
          1. paco.soto
            paco.soto 30 July 2020 23: 00 New
            +1
            Wiping his old man's tears with his beard: even nothing happened. And the Children and the Wife are cute - humorously "sabotage" me and do not help me in computer science.
            With respect to you and with a smile.
  10. certero
    certero 30 July 2020 12: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: novel xnumx
    what's this? clumsy description of shaped charge

    Not. Impact core is an impact core.
  11. Uh Neuhov
    Uh Neuhov 30 July 2020 12: 34 New
    -5
    And how will they be delivered to the top of the tank? Or are these mines robotic? Several pieces move under their own power to the tank, then jump up and fall on it. Such a principle?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 July 2020 12: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Uh Neuhov
      And how will they be delivered to the top of the tank? Or are these mines robotic? Several pieces move under their own power to the tank, then jump up and fall on it. Such a principle?

      No, static mine "in a jump" reaches the target in the declared performance characteristics of the detection and destruction zone.

      The tank itself finds "its" mine.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 14: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: Insurgent
        The tank itself finds "its" mine.

        In this case, not entirely true! A mine has a "personal space" .... if a tank wanders there, it will be punished ... You can carry out mining in such a way that the tank has nowhere to go except to "violate personal space" .... I think that in such case we can talk about the "hunt" mode!
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 14: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Uh Neuhov
      And on the top of the tank how will the

      Warhead (SPBE) is fired "to the top and to the side" ... then, see the description of the action of the "usual" SPBE ...
  12. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 30 July 2020 13: 05 New
    -1
    What is the price of this device? Probably more expensive than a cornet. Does it make sense to adopt it? But the ATGM hitting the roof has long been necessary.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 30 July 2020 13: 41 New
      +6
      Has and how. One salvo of the Tornado or a special device with such mines and a dangerous section of 10 kilometers blocked by mines, gains time for organizing the defense, for the approach of reserves. There are no unnecessary weapons in war. it is not necessary to keep tanks and the same Kornets along the entire front, it is enough to detect enemy concentration or the beginning of an attack in time and block a dangerous place. There would be such mines on the Kursk Bulge.
      1. madrobot
        madrobot 30 July 2020 14: 20 New
        +2
        At first it seemed to me that you were overdoing it a little, but just in case I got into the wiki. It turned out that the weight of the Smerch warhead was about 250 kg, ie. 20 minutes. A volley is about 200 minutes. A section of 10 km can really be covered very tightly. True, the price of such a volley will not be small. However, people are still incomparably more expensive, and the damage from a breakthrough in general can be critical.
      2. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 30 July 2020 21: 48 New
        -1
        Victor, it is possible to create ammunition with new anti-tank mines for the MLRS Smerch, but, but again, but ... what is the likelihood of a combat situation in a war when a Smerch with suitable ammunition appears on the tank-hazardous sector of the front before the enemy tanks attack? My opinion is to adapt a helicopter for such mining (we have had such options for a long time) - it loaded, flew to a given area, "unloaded the cargo" - the speed of response to an already occurring breakthrough of tanks is higher and the response zone is also greater. In principle, such new mines are good for ambushes on the way of movement of enemy columns, behind enemy lines - for example, in a desert or flat area, where it is difficult to arrange an ambush with people - thermal imagers and optics today see far away and even escort of columns with air cover.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 08: 03 New
          +1
          Already created on the basis of the Smerch and mining (25 min PTM-3 in one rocket) and firing of the cumulative shells planned on parachutes. It remains only to replace some mines with others and there is no problem, ours will make it fly. A helicopter is expensive, not so mobile, and most importantly, dangerous for helicopters, especially in an area of ​​dense air defense. At Smerch, the range is 90 km, at Tornado it is even further, several installations will cover the area of ​​150 kilometers, and it is planned to increase the flight range of Tornado-S missiles to 300 km, to bring it to the level of OTK.
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 31 July 2020 19: 37 New
            0
            Viktor, the dimensions of the PTKM-1R will differ from the PTM-3 in a larger direction (as an example, the weight of the mine - PTM-3 - 4,9 kg, PTKM-1R - about 20 kg), therefore, they will fit less in the Smerch projectile. About the probable range of Tornado-S up to 300 km - why mine the "field" for 300 km? I'm talking about the likelihood of finding the MLRS Smerch and shells with PTKM-1R in one place at a certain time before the offensive of enemy tanks. Do you want to use the MLRS Smerch against tanks - projectile 9M55K1 with 5 (five) SPBE-D. 5 SPBE-D fits into the Tornado's projectile, how much will the PTKM-1R fit? (plug in diameter PTKM-1R - the "power" of the impact core depends on the diameter of the "impact disk" (blank for the core) - the larger the diameter, the greater the penetration thickness). Helicopters are everywhere, it is supposed to mine a controlled field, which enemy tanks may soon occupy. Mining is supposed to be mixed with POM-3.
            1. Viktor Sergeev
              Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 20: 59 New
              0
              The installation is worth and covers the front 200 km. to the right, 200 km. to the left, and she herself is about 50 kilometers from the front, while you can't really cut her down and answer, because she pounds not at the enemy troops, but in front of them. Less mines? So what? The helicopter may exist, but it is too vulnerable and expensive, and it cannot take much, unless it is of course an Mi26, but if it flies up to the battlefield it will be kaput. By the way, a mine falling from a rocket has a high falling speed and can be well drilled into the ground, it will not work from a helicopter.
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 31 July 2020 21: 15 New
                0
                Viktor, about "... digging into the ground ..." the article says that the PTKM-1R will open "like a flower" and the "petals" will keep it upright on the surface (as an example of POM-3). PTKM-1R will descend by parachute. Air mining - today, cargo UAVs according to the helicopter scheme are widely praised - as an option to use them. I repeat, the Smerch MLRS can immediately attack tanks using the 9M55K1 with the SPBE-D.
                1. Viktor Sergeev
                  Viktor Sergeev 1 August 2020 10: 18 New
                  0
                  Who knows how it can be upgraded later. Attacking tanks is one thing, but closing the passage to tanks is another.
  13. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 30 July 2020 13: 37 New
    -5
    A fiery metal shock core? I understand there is a stove inside? Or a cumulative jet?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 14: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      A fiery metal shock core? I understand there is a stove inside? Or a cumulative jet?

      No ... the armor target is hit by the "shock core"! And "hot metal" is to strengthen the "red journalistic word"!
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 31 July 2020 08: 04 New
        +1
        The impact core is actually scrap, but it needs to be accelerated to at least 1000 m / s, it is interesting how to do this on a trajectory of several meters. Unambiguously cumulative effect.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 31 July 2020 09: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Victor Sergeev
          Unambiguously cumulative effect.

          Cumulative effect, of course! But I don't know if it is possible in this case to use the expression: "Fedot, but not that one ...", but ... "like that"! That is, the effect is the same, but in one case the "striking element" is the cumulative jet, and in the other - the penetrator ("impact nucleus") ... It all depends on the shape of the cumulative "funnel" and on the facing!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 July 2020 14: 30 New
      +2
      In fact, when the lens collapses to form an impact core, the explosive transfers part of the thermal energy to the material, which heats it up to 500 - 700 degrees, so that a red-hot metal core takes place.
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 July 2020 15: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      A fiery metal shock core? I understand there is a stove inside? Or a cumulative jet?


  14. ghtghvv
    ghtghvv 30 July 2020 14: 30 New
    -5
    Before Jewelin, this craft is like cancer before Kiev.
    1. toha124
      toha124 30 July 2020 16: 01 New
      +5
      And for what purpose are you comparing ATGM and engineering ammunition? Well, compare the classic anti-track mine with a howitzer.
    2. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 30 July 2020 23: 26 New
      -3
      Duc in kueva and so all go to cancer. And a fool to the west.
      And our engineer doesn't need to go for Vaseline.
  15. yfast
    yfast 30 July 2020 14: 37 New
    0
    -40 C, 10 days, the size of a fire extinguisher. Will not pull the term. Will the thermal imager turn on only when needed?
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 30 July 2020 15: 15 New
      +1
      After 10 days, the mine self-destructs along with the offal. Well, how much will this miracle mine pour out?
  16. Region68
    Region68 30 July 2020 14: 40 New
    0
    I hesitate to ask where does * Hot metal * come from *
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 18: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Region68
      I hesitate to ask where does * Hot metal * come from *

      Well ... the "shock core" is not cold at all! After all, a penetrator ("shock core") is formed during the explosion of an EFP (SFZ) ...
  17. ximkim
    ximkim 30 July 2020 14: 41 New
    -2
    [/ quote] As the newspaper writes, the Russian army is already receiving special anti-tank mines designed to destroy tanks in the most vulnerable part - the top of the tower. [Quote]
    The Syrian campaign showed the tank's weaknesses and where they begin.
  18. mag nit
    mag nit 30 July 2020 15: 05 New
    0
    Armor is strong, and our tanks are fast ...
  19. NAIRUS
    NAIRUS 30 July 2020 15: 10 New
    -1
    Great news, it can be seen that the country is moving in the right direction
  20. Ilshat
    Ilshat 30 July 2020 15: 59 New
    0
    Why Impact Core?
    The submunition itself can also just fall on the roof ...
    Or why am I not catching up?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 22: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Ilshat
      The submunition itself can also just fall on the roof ..

      In principle, it can! But in this case, it will be SNBE! You will have to attach aerodynamic rudders to it or put a block of impulse rocket micromotors ... the approach engine is not excluded. (Although this is not necessary ...) Such an SNBE can be made tandem-cumulative or high-explosive armor-piercing ...
      1. Ilshat
        Ilshat 30 July 2020 22: 10 New
        0
        He already has steering wheels, I suppose ...
        You have to aim the core.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 30 July 2020 22: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Ilshat
          You have to aim the core.

          In SPBE and in SNBE, the principles of hitting a target are somewhat different ... although, there may be something "common"!
  21. Serpet
    Serpet 30 July 2020 18: 05 New
    +7
    Not a bad mean thing against armored vehicles.
  22. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 30 July 2020 20: 24 New
    0
    plus 30 degrees

    somehow very little
    1. your1970
      your1970 5 August 2020 08: 02 New
      0
      Search by the heat of the tank - if the mine is hot, it simply will not see it at the required distance
  23. Alber alber
    Alber alber 30 July 2020 23: 48 New
    0
    It is interesting, but if you make a television gsn, collect somewhere several thousand images of Abrasha from a top view and create a unified portrait in a microchip, taking into account that the most expensive part of the development is the collection of metadata and their analysis, then it may be cheaper, since inexpensive micro-video cameras with desired resolution, weight
  24. riwas
    riwas 31 July 2020 04: 35 New
    +1
    This mine can be used to organize ambushes on the roads. Only manual mode is still needed to skip unnecessary targets.
    1. Mimino
      Mimino 31 July 2020 07: 45 New
      +1
      Or the "friend / foe" system.
  25. riwas
    riwas 31 July 2020 04: 41 New
    +2
    We also have engineering ammunition of a similar class - the M-225 with a cluster warhead to defeat manpower and lightly armored vehicles. It is equipped with a combined target sensor including seismic, magnetic and thermal sensors. The detection radius from the laying point is 150-250 m.If the mine is on alert, then when a target enters the detection zone, the sensors inform the control panel about the nature of the object (person, vehicle), the number of targets, speed and direction of movement, distance to the point of destruction ... The control panel processes the incoming signals and gives the operator recommendations: which of the mines on alert should be detonated, and which mines in the passive mode should be put on alert. If the targets are simultaneously in the affected areas of several mines, then recommendations are issued which of them should be detonated. The mine can be made autonomous by connecting to it the control unit of the "Okhota" set of antipersonnel mines.
    Engineering ammunition M-225 is a cylinder 60 cm in diameter, about a meter high and weighing about 100 kg. The mine is installed underground to a depth of 60 cm from the mine cover. The mine includes forty submunitions deployed on a platform with a jet engine. The height of the shot is 45-60 m. The zone of continuous destruction of one mine is a circle with a diameter of 170-190 m. The radius of control of a mine by a radio remote control is up to 10 km, a wired one - up to 4 km. The remote control can operate for up to 100 minutes at a time. The time of combat duty is 30 days.
    Each submunition is 16 cm high and 6,5 cm in diameter. Two types of submunitions are used: fragmentation and cumulative. The radius of destruction of manpower by shrapnel - 17 m, armor - 30 mm.
    For this mine, the plant has developed a mine installer based on ZIL-131 or KamAZ-4310. It contains: a drilling rig, crane equipment for installing mines and equipment for testing mines.
    http://mines.h1.ru/m-225.html
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/М-225_(управляемая_мина)
  26. Mimino
    Mimino 31 July 2020 07: 44 New
    +1
    10 days in standby mode is not enough. At the front, the calm can be longer.
  27. st25310
    st25310 31 July 2020 09: 00 New
    0

    PTKM-1R. As conceived by the designers, this will be a fundamentally new, high-tech engineering ammunition, which will significantly increase the capabilities of sapper units in the fight against tanks and other modern armored vehicles.
    The PTKM-1R mine is a green cylinder the size of an ordinary fire extinguisher and weighing about 20 kg. After installation and activation, it opens like a flower, petals are separated from the body, holding it in an upright position.
  28. U-58
    U-58 31 July 2020 11: 50 New
    -1
    Too tricky ...
    If everything works like that, then the future has already come ...))))
  29. taseka
    taseka 31 July 2020 11: 53 New
    +1
    It is not yet time to tell the commander-in-chief about our mines in a message))))
  30. bird
    bird 31 July 2020 13: 45 New
    0
    there is a small problem, the probable adversary said that he would put low-power lasers on everything that drives, just against IR-guided ammunition, "the entire civilized world" is just discussing the end of the IR-guided century, so it's very timely.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 July 2020 17: 06 New
      0
      They will definitely not bet on everything - it will be too expensive
  31. Cer59
    Cer59 31 July 2020 16: 20 New
    0
    clearly the anti-helicopter mine of 1995 was finalized. the principle is the same warhead and aiming.