Strange noise in Minsk


What is happening in Belarus causes ambivalent feelings. In general, what Lukashenka has been bringing a little stronger than usual lately seems to be even understandable and justified: the elections are just around the corner, alternative candidates were handed over and they were not allowed before the elections under various pretexts (everything is like people’s, in general), but some sediment remained ...


And this sediment clearly does not allow to sit quietly and wait until 70% of the total number of those who came to the elections will vote correctly. We have already passed the constitution, we know how it is.

That is why statements on the theme that “the external enemy is not asleep” is normal. Of course, this very enemy is just waiting to spoil Lukashenka's election. Well, how else can you spoil them, if you do not send militants to the country, who will surely arrange riots on election day?

They say more than 200 have been sent. Who - don't say. Where they are is also not entirely clear.

The script is complete. Okay, we have it. We must implement.

History with the arrest of 32 people in the boarding house does not look very nice. The only thing that sounded more or less sanely from the accusations was that "the newcomers wore uniform clothes in the style of" military "and did not drink alcohol."

Well, you know, brothers-Belarusians, this is too much. On the highest level. Moreover, performed by President Lukashenko. Well, according to indistinct leads the KGB of Belarus arrested three dozen ... three dozen whom?

Militants? Where then weapon? Terrorists? Where is the equipment and again weapons? Arrest only on the grounds that people did not get drunk in the style of "Russo tourist" and did not go to "dance" the local population - sorry, it is not we who look stupid, but Belarusians.

And, in general, Mr. Lukashenko first of all.

These are his passages on the topic of what is needed “To appeal to the Russian media, including Telegram channels, so that, as Putin says, they do not drive the blizzard ...” Sure, not a problem. But why should the Russian media drive a blizzard when there is such a competitor?

Another quote from Alexander Grigorievich.

“If they are guilty (Russia. - Author's note), we must get out of this situation with dignity. Not guilty - well, we have no goals to discredit the country close to us. "

I can't understand what the detainees were guilty of. That you are not drunk? Or is it that they have Russian passports?

I don’t know how Lukashenka himself will adequately get out of this situation.



Take a close look at the video. It is clear that the guys are not entirely simple and understand a lot about equipment. But this is not a crime. And the presence of foreign currency is not a crime. Although condoms are, perhaps, yes, a suspicious thing.

However, these things do not at all indicate that these are PMC militants.

Zakhar Prilepin confirmed on his page that he recognized several former fighters of his former police battalion. Nothing like that, in general, former militias have long been gladly taken to various military and paramilitary structures. And in Syria, former militias have appeared on more than one occasion. This is normal practice.

“It has long been known that people who fought and are fighting in the armies of the DPR and LPR are fighting not only there. They also leave for Syria and other warm warring countries. But if the Belarusian leadership starts using this story for their own purposes, it will certainly look ridiculous. ”

(Zakhar Prilepin.)

Difficult to add anything. But you can.

“The fact that three dozen men in camouflage were going in some other direction, and the Belarusian special services know very well, I am sure.”

(Prilepin again.)

Yes, Belarus is not a country where you can hide something. Of course, rumors that there are 100 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other special services per 000 inhabitants of Belarus are, of course, an exaggeration. And this has been sorted out more than once. But the figure of 1-442 people per 800 seems real to me.

And the special services of the Republic of Belarus are very serious organizations. They have fairly wide networks of informants and surveillance. Actually, 32 detainees came into view in this way.

I am sure that "where necessary", they were absolutely aware of who drove into the boarding house. It would be strange to imagine Belarus with so many security officials as a gateway, a kind of transit station for transfer.

Belarusian media and bloggers are actively discussing two main versions of what is happening.

First: "PMCs should have been used against Lukashenka in the elections."

Second: "The Belarusian authorities are going to use information about PMCs for their own political purposes."

Both versions, in my opinion, do not stand up to criticism. PMCs from the Russian side in order to disrupt Lukashenka's elections - well, it looks completely frivolous. In order to arrange troubles for Alexander Grigorievich, it is not PMCs that are needed. There are enough elementary economic steps, as has been done more than once, and the situation becomes very, very unpleasant for Belarus.

The second ... The second is even more stupid. An external enemy, in the face of which the whole nation is obliged to unite, and every citizen who wishes his country well, will be obliged to vote for the only "correct" candidate - all of this is terribly familiar to us.

But Russia and Russian citizens somehow do not quite fit the image of an external enemy. Don’t you? Russians? Belarusians? Alexander Grigorievich?

However, Alexander Grigorievich has already ... made a speech.

BELTA: President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko demanded that Russia clarify the situation with the detention in the republic of fighters of the private military company (PMC) Wagner.

In my opinion, it is precisely Russia that should demand an explanation in connection with the detention of its citizens. Simply because these citizens were detained, let's say, for no particular reason. Let me emphasize that sobriety is not an aggravating circumstance in the whole world.

According to Lukashenko, he already sees the reaction of the Russians, who "somehow try to justify their dirty intentions." He also accused the Russian side of trying to distort the situation and present it as if Belarus itself brought PMC fighters.

I would not like to strain the situation and express myself very critically, but ... But what Mr. Lukashenka says, somehow does not attract an adequate perception. It is clear that Belarus is a totalitarian state, where it is not necessary to prove the guilt of the detainees. But should there be at least minimal attempts for justice?

Our reaction is really predictable. The actions of our Foreign Ministry should also be somewhat more significant than the babble of the Russian ambassador to Belarus about the fact that he is not in the know. Employees of PMCs, not employees of PMCs - first of all, they are Russians who have not violated a single law of the Republic of Belarus. Even if they were traveling in transit somewhere else. Even if they did not drink a single gram, they caused damage to the budget of the Republic of Belarus.

Alexander Grigorievich should still think about how useful the relations of the two countries, which sometimes are unreasonably complicated by the will of his throwing, will benefit from such "operations".
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  1. military_cat 30 July 2020 05: 00 New
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    Lukashenka realized that he was likely to lose the elections and decided to cancel them through the introduction of some kind of martial law or a state of emergency. It seems to me.
    1. Grandfather 30 July 2020 05: 10 New
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      the peasants came Father, to help dig up the bulb, and here you are ... request
      1. Mar.Tirah 30 July 2020 05: 57 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        the peasants came Father, to help dig up the bulb, and here you are ... request

        Yes, most likely his current friends from across the ocean shoved his father misinformation, so he got into it like in shit and is trying to pretend to be an offended sovereign. Everyone knows that all movements go through Belarus, both to Russia and back, so the foreigners decided and cover this shop.,
        1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 06: 16 New
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          I still see that the reason for the latest events lies in the electoral plane. Remember how in 2019, when the Kremlin was actively trying to force Belarus to cohabitation, in order to thus extend the mandate of the current president of the Russian Federation, not only the Belarusian political elite, but also the people of Belarus themselves resolutely opposed this action. And I understand them perfectly. Taking this step, Belarusians would lose the last remnants of the socially oriented state that they have now, as happened with the "less fortunate" citizens of the Russian Federation. Again, this should not be considered as a fact of the dominance of anti-Russian sentiments, this is just a rational and balanced position of people who do not want to lose at least some social guarantees, the massive privatization of everything and everyone, and with them the influx of migrants and other "anti-social" elements ... In addition, the frankly disastrous example of the LPR and DPR also does not contribute to the development of tendencies towards closer rapprochement. Thus, we can say with confidence that the Belarusians are not against the Russians, they are against the current oligarchic system of the Russian Federation, and this, as they say in Odessa: two big differences. Defend the principles of socialism by the Russian Federation, implement in practice a truly nationally oriented foreign and domestic policy, Belarusians would be the first to join us on this path.

          It seems to me that Batka decided to play on these moods, playing a card with the Wagnerites, about which (here I agree with Prilepin) he knew well, and whose presence was 100% agreed in advance. But that is precisely why this scenario may not "shoot", because, as I noted above, the Belarusians are not against the Russians, but for justice, with which there is an obvious deficit in the Russian Federation and against the background of which even Lukshenko looks quite presentable. The people of the Republic will most likely simply not believe in the script so hastily sewn with white threads. On the other hand, the Belarusians will not arrange a booze on this issue either, and therefore, as an excuse for additional legitimization of not entirely fair elections, this event is quite suitable (as well as for the temporary suspension of election procedures as such).

          Again, we must pay tribute to the political skill of Lukashenko, who did not blame the Kremlin directly, but referred to the actions of third forces trying to drive a wedge between the two allied states. And he hinted that it would be nice to figure it out at home too. So even at the official level, no anti-Russian positions were announced. We will see how the situation will develop further. In any case, Erdogan succeeded in such a trick in his time. Why shouldn't Lukashenka succeed?
          1. Svarog 30 July 2020 07: 52 New
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            I liked how Konstantin Semin describes this situation
            1. Ingvar 72 30 July 2020 08: 58 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              Konstantin Semin

              And it's hard to argue with him. Everything is clear, without a choice of sides. hi
              1. Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 09: 52 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Svarog
                Konstantin Semin

                And it's hard to argue with him. Everything is clear, without a choice of sides. hi

                Especially in terms of discussions about PMCs ... yes
                1. NIKN 30 July 2020 12: 36 New
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                  Playing the card of Russia in any situation is a win-win. Russia will not go anywhere, but you will raise the rating, and maybe some money will be thrown into the defense of democracy and the West will not put a spoke in the wheels. After all, the west is not particularly delighted with Lukashenka .... So that everything is logical and everything is according to plan. In another version, the Maidan will suit the West, they have long been swallowing saliva ... So, somehow everything is so
                  1. Shurik70 30 July 2020 22: 31 New
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                    Quote: military_cat
                    Lukashenka realized that he is likely to lose the elections

                    Brad.
                    Lukashenka cannot lose the election, if only because he himself appoints those who will count the votes. Just like the new constitution in Russia, they simply could not help but approve
                    Polls show Lukashenka's upcoming unconditional victory

                    Lukashenka again? Polls show the upcoming unconditional victory of the dad.

                    Submitted by Russian America TV Wednesday, July 29, 2020
                  2. nickname7 31 July 2020 23: 13 New
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                    According to the belt, there are not enough plots for the PR of the dad, scolding the negligent, visiting the cowshed, etc. This is already boring for the electorate, hence a new plot for the feast - the defender of the nation.
                    And with big threats, martial law can be introduced. I remember Poroshenko also arranged provocations.
              2. Lexus 30 July 2020 17: 44 New
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                And it's hard to argue with him.

                hi I am sure that few people would have liked the entry into the country of a crowd of uniform "sports-tourists" without proper agreements. Even in transit. If so, then they could be "accepted" at the next "collection point". Where did they come from? Already from Belarus. Wellcome to "sponsors of terrorism"! They were completely stupid and forgot how to plan and provide operations. Fucking # ihtamnet won't suit anyone and will turn into another disgrace.


                Of course, rumors that there are 100 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other special services per 000 inhabitants of Belarus are, of course, an exaggeration.

                Haha, there are almost 6 of these in Russia. Of these, those who directly "work" for the People (without private security companies) - about 000 "bayonets" per 2 thousand of the population. The DPRK is only conceding.

                1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 17: 57 New
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                  Haha, there are almost 6 of these in Russia. Of these, those who directly "work" for the People (without private security companies) - about 000 "bayonets" per 2 thousand of the population. The DPRK is only conceding.


                  Pryuvet to Belarusians

                  To whom are you conceding there?
                  1. Lexus 30 July 2020 19: 15 New
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                    Pryuvet to Belarusians

                    Leave your courtesies to the "indigenous" Muskwabad countrymen. stop

                    Fragment from the TV show "Our Russia"
                2. Lopatov 30 July 2020 18: 58 New
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                  Quote: lexus
                  Haha, there are almost 6 of these in Russia. Of these, those who directly "work" for the People (without private security companies) - about 000 "bayonets" per 2 thousand of the population. The DPRK is only conceding.

                  Aren't you ashamed to drag this here?
                  You at least checked the information minimally
                  For example, the expenses of the Ministry of Defense were exaggerated by 63 times.
                  Even for Goebbels, that would be too much.
                  And so on.

                  The staff (not real) number of the RF Armed Forces included RA employees as well. The cook aunt Masha from the officers' mess is now also a "silovik" and will press a "drug" like you laughing laughing laughing

                  1. Lexus 30 July 2020 19: 30 New
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                    For example, the expenses of the Ministry of Defense were exaggerated by 63 times.
                    Even for Goebbels, that would be too much.

                    Behave like the heroine of Krylov's fable about glasses. Stop licking them.
                    1. Lopatov 30 July 2020 19: 41 New
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                      Quote: lexus
                      Behave like the heroine of Krylov's fable about glasses. Stop licking them.

                      How do you nervously react ...
                      JUST DO NOT LIE
                      And they won't catch you on this.
                      laughing laughing laughing

                      By the way, if it's not difficult, tell a scary story about how the firemen offended you.
                      Which, according to your statement, also "work for the People"? And included in your deceitful picture.
                      1. Lexus 30 July 2020 19: 52 New
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                        How do you nervously react ...
                        JUST DO NOT LIE
                        And they won't catch you on this.

                        Lopatov, lies are your dubious trump card. And sycophancy. For and ... the best commentators, I subtracted the number of the RF Armed Forces, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, private security companies, etc. with civilian personnel (cooks, judges, plumbers, etc.) and got about the same number. I see you have problems with this too. So who caught who?

                        Of these, those who directly "work" for the People (without private security companies) - about 2 "bayonets" per 000 population.

                        Go on "get rich with a thought" and catch the "morning duck". stop
                      2. Lopatov 30 July 2020 20: 12 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        So who caught who?

                        I caught.
                        You.


                        Quote: lexus
                        For and ... the best commentators, I subtracted the number of the RF Armed Forces, private security companies and civilian personnel (cooks, judges, plumbers, etc.) and got about the same number.

                        You must indicate 2.9 million people who "work for the people"
                        To get this figure.
                        Try to do it realistically, not "roughly".

                        After all, everything is much simpler - you are stupidly broadcasting someone else's lies.
                      3. Lopatov 30 July 2020 20: 30 New
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                        And so, we believe.
                        Security officials who directly "work" on the People
                        747 thousand employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Including cruel passport officers, no less cruel teachers of subordinate educational institutions and super-cruel doctors and signalmen.
                        340 thousand employees of the Russian Guard. Including private security.
                        296 thousand employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service. Including doctors, teachers and other suppressors of freedom.
                        200 thousand FSB.

                        All together 1,583 thous.

                        You just have to "find" another 1.3 million "security officials who directly" work "on the People
                        Otherwise you lied
                      4. Lexus 30 July 2020 23: 14 New
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                        Lopatov, you shouldn't include the "blessed" one. Only "swam on the surface." Run through other structures and filter out their "power blocks". And yet, this is a trump card from the sleeve, add dungs ​​and guards of "feudal lords" (pseudo CHOPovtsev who do not sit at the checkpoints, but quite fighters). I assure you that even more than the number given by me will turn out. The fact that I did not mention them earlier does not mean that I am wrong. If you insist, I will calculate (based on publicly available data), but since I will spend a lot of time (days) on this precious time, my condition will be that you are on VO (from the first comment) on EVERY thread exactly 2 hours you will leave at least one message and start it with the word "kukareku". I propose to ask any of the Administrators to judge. You will begin to "crow" on the Day of the Paratrooper on August XNUMX this year. If you refuse to fulfill your obligation, from now on I will call you the same "kukareku" (of course, with the permission of the Administration). Do you agree?






                        Who are they? And who gave them the right to beat people? Even your age does not give you the right to dishonesty and does not make your outright lie permissible.
                      5. Lopatov 31 July 2020 14: 41 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        Lopatov, you shouldn't include the "blessed" one. Only "swam on the surface." Run through other structures and filter out their "power blocks". And yet, this is a trump card from the sleeve, add dungs ​​and guards of "feudal lords" (pseudo CHOPovtsev who do not sit at the checkpoints, but quite fighters). I assure you that even more than the number given by me will turn out. ...

                        Blah blah blah.

                        Have you lied, and are you asking me to look for confirmation of this lie?

                        It does not happen.

                        I see that it has become normal for your gop-company .... But I do not accept it.

                        Therefore, I affirm that YOU ARE A LIAR.
                        And this is not an insult, but a statement of fact. For you lied. And even after I counted FOR YOU, you continued to spin, like in a frying pan.
                      6. Dart2027 31 July 2020 20: 22 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        Who are they? And who gave them the right to beat people?

                        And who gave the right to these citizens to organize riots?
            2. MMX
              MMX 30 July 2020 20: 33 New
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              Yes, it's agitation. Made for the dumb.
              There, among the "siloviki" - the Federal Tax Service, the Federal Customs Service and ... Judges ... and also mythical "guards")))
              It's not even indecent to talk about the "reliability" of the figures wassat
              1. Lopatov 30 July 2020 20: 39 New
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                Quote: MMX
                Yes, it's agitation. Made for the dumb.

                Naturally.
                But why drag her here, disgrace yourself?
                "Silovik" aunt Masha, an employee of the RA, at the N-arsenal, performing maintenance and disposal of guided missiles, brings the state income much more than the stupid journalist who created this picture.
                But he believes that the opposite is true.
                1. Lumumbo 30 July 2020 20: 52 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  "Silovik" aunt Masha, an employee of the RA, at the N-arsenal, performing maintenance and disposal of guided missiles, brings the state income much more than the stupid journalist who created this picture.
                  But he believes that the opposite is true.

                  How right you are Lopatov! But now these scribblers have been elevated to the rank of untouchables (especially those who are against the regime, etc.) And try to object, then EVERYONE immediately kicks in a crowd
                2. Lexus 31 July 2020 01: 27 New
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                  Who would say, but not the multi-licker Meehan, a local fool
        2. Silinvv 31 July 2020 10: 06 New
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          I'm only wondering if the car of this picture about the number of security officials in the Russian Federation considers us all for sheep? Does he think that we are not friends with mathematics? Or is he not very good at using a calculator himself?
      2. Cop
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And it's hard to argue with him. Everything is clear, without a choice of sides. hi
        Why without choice? In my opinion, he quite definitely said that it was the capitalists who were to blame for the fact that the poor "Vanka Pupkins" from some "Uryupinsk" had to be hired to work for Messrs. Utkin and Prigozhin for only $ 4000. per month. True, he modestly kept silent that the socialists offer a completely different alternative, namely: "For the Motherland, for Art ....." and for nothing. Well, if there is no desire, you can put up a detachment too ..... So you would have. Ingvar 72Which alternative did you prefer?
    2. alone 30 July 2020 09: 28 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      I liked how Konstantin Semin describes this situation

      The oligarchs are ready to drown the entire post-Soviet space in blood for their financial interests.
      1. Lumumbo 30 July 2020 19: 47 New
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        Quote: lonely
        Quote: Svarog
        I liked how Konstantin Semin describes this situation

        The oligarchs are ready to drown the entire post-Soviet space in blood for their financial interests.

        Yes, they need a war ... then they, together with their Western investors, will be on horseback ...
        Quote: Spade
        By the way, if it's not difficult, tell a scary story about how the firemen offended you.
        Which, according to your statement, also "work for the People"? And included in your deceitful picture.

        Yes, it is useless to push Lopatov with this, they have put on Soviet avatars (according to the manuals) and think that all are bastards!
        1. Lexus 31 July 2020 01: 32 New
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          Adjutant Popandopulo, I see you've already built a "human centipede". Respect other readers of the site - your "symbiosis" is humiliating and disgusting.
          1. Lopatov 31 July 2020 14: 57 New
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            Quote: lexus
            Adjutant Popandopulo, I see you've already built a "human centipede". Respect other readers of the site - your "symbiosis" is humiliating and disgusting.

            And your constant lies and incompetence, no?
    3. 1536 30 July 2020 11: 17 New
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      How to make sure that Belarus was left alone? And all sorts of communist capitalists, and political scientists, Sovietologists, and columnist journalists, and others, others, others who want to start cutting Russia into pieces through Belarus today. Starved, of course. And this is their last chance. And the fact that Gazprom is not "ours" is true, but when it was "ours"? However, the country can afford a lot from Gazprom's taxes. Capitalism, as history has shown, unlike socialism, cannot destroy itself. At least for the foreseeable future.
      1. Lumumbo 30 July 2020 19: 53 New
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        Quote: 1536
        How to make sure that Belarus was left alone? And all sorts of communist capitalists, and political scientists, Sovietologists, and columnist journalists, and others, others, others who want to start cutting Russia into pieces through Belarus today. Starved, of course. And this is their last chance.

        Eugene wrote well ..! There is a point in your comment .. Something goes!
        Look how the Liebermans have gone wild .. Either the Constitution, now a fugal, now Belarus ..
        How tired I am of this round-the-clock howl here ..
        Whatever you write, the minuses and so on come in a crowd. And I'm already afraid to argue, there are a lot of complaints and a ban at once .. Here they learned hehe he
  2. Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 07: 56 New
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    would be the last remnants of that socially oriented state,


    In fact, Lukashenko finished him off long ago.
  3. Soviet Union 30 July 2020 07: 56 New
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    And what minus ... everything is correct.
    I would also add that Wagner PMCs = Polite people ... akin to epic heroes ... cause great sympathy among the people, including the Republic of Belarus. In addition to official Moscow, there are other Russians, a third party who drives a wedge ..
    I think so.
    1. imobile2008 30 July 2020 08: 51 New
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      Failure is. They drove, did not disguise themselves, everyone knew everything. And they denied at the highest level, and now Lukashenko has done that there is nothing to deny, again outplayed Putin
      1. Soviet Union 30 July 2020 08: 57 New
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        Failure? Whose?
        Maybe ... a misunderstanding? What they can show the guys, they must let go ...
        And why should Putin outplay, different levels.
      2. Olgovich 30 July 2020 10: 49 New
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        Failure is. They drove, did not disguise themselves, everyone knew everything. AND

        And WHAT should they disguise themselves, WHAT did they violate (and disguise themselves in this case)?

        What accusations were brought against him, on the basis of WHAT he was detained?

        What RIGHT TV of Belarus had to call them "militants" -they did something illegal, transported something illegal, called, deployed, prepared?

        Beastly postkpil grygorych with people and in relation to Russia for the sake of self-promotion, looks stupid and ridiculous.
    2. Engineer 30 July 2020 09: 53 New
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      VK Wagner = Polite people ... akin to epic heroes ... cause great sympathy among the people, including the Republic of Belarus

      Nice guys, and their games are interesting. Sympathy. Unambiguously
      1. Nastia makarova 30 July 2020 12: 40 New
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        Where did you get that on the Wagner video?
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    3. Kronos 30 July 2020 10: 04 New
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      This has never happened - on the contrary, according to rumors, they killed, for example, the commanders of the DPR.
    4. Matroskin 30 July 2020 12: 43 New
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      Since when is a mercenary worthy of honor? It is very similar to the romanticization of this ancient profession, as in the USA in the 70s and 80s. "Our business is death and business is going well." Priestesses of love are also for money, but they don't kill. "Our business (c) ex and business is doing well." Even the motives are the same, some like this business, others are sold out of despair.
    5. Lumumbo 30 July 2020 19: 58 New
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      Quote: Soviet Union
      I would also add that Wagner PMCs = Polite people ... akin to epic heroes ... cause great sympathy among the people, including the Republic of Belarus.

      Well, here you are right .. Here only they do everything for money! Do you understand the difference?
      Quote: Soviet Union
      In addition to official Moscow, there are other Russians, a third party who drives a wedge ..
      I think so.

      Normally written hi And yet everything is not clean here!
      And it was not in vain that the howl of the libbery spread this ..
      1. Soviet Union 30 July 2020 22: 37 New
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        The homeland must be defended from the heart ... well, when it is calm at home, military skill can be offered on the side ... and, of course, not for thanks, the family must be fed and the risk (life) is worth a lot. What's bad about it?..
        And in general, the military receives wages ... not for thanks ... but here it jars ... as with spoons .... there were found but the residue remained.
        There is no bad thing .... they are fighting against the same guys with weapons. Everything is fair ... from more.
  4. g1v2 30 July 2020 10: 05 New
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    For some reason, I have not seen that poor Russians went to work in rich Belarus. But on the contrary - to the fig. And something not rich Belarus with a wise economy gives loans to the poor Russian Federation, but as Father himself used to say "on the 31st of every year, he is on his knees." Belarusians live poorly. Clean, but poor. Because of this, only a person with a totally brainwashed can be afraid of unification with the Russian Federation.
    1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 10: 59 New
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      For some reason, I have not seen that poor Russians went to work in rich Belarus.


      But I saw how Russians leave to live in Kazakhstan for permanent residence, and with their families. Over the past six months, two young families with children have rushed there and all have the same thesis: it is easier for a person of labor to survive there.

      For Belarusians, as far as we have come across, everything is a little different: the folder is at work, the mother with the children is at home. At the same time, none of those with whom he communicated expressed a desire to settle in Russia. I don’t presume to say that this is the case, but the cases are different.

      Belarus's problem is not poverty or mismanagement. The problem of Belarus is that its economy is tied to one sales market - the Russian one and it directly depends on it. Certainly, some Belarusian-made goods are quoted in other countries of the world, but the volumes there are much smaller. So, as Belarus was an all-Union assembly shop, so it remained so. Only the USSR no longer exists, the countries around have changed and many are not for the better. This is what scares the syabras away from further integration, because so far, as you rightly noted, they have, at least poorly, but cleanly. But no one except Lukashenka gives guarantees that it will not be poor and dirty.
      1. sergand53 30 July 2020 11: 31 New
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        Where do you live, what's dirty and poor? A broom in your hands and remove dirt poorly? "Assembly shop"? Let them say thank you, even though it is, and not by slave labor, but for the salary. The conclusions are somehow strange and contradictory. Who needs RB "goods" in the world? Yes, to no one but us.
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          Quote: sergand53
          Where do you live, what's dirty and poor? A broom in your hands and remove dirt poorly? "Assembly shop"? Let them say thank you, even though it is, and not by slave labor, but for the salary. The conclusions are somehow strange and contradictory. Who needs RB "goods" in the world? Yes, to no one but us.

          Shit, another one came out !!!
          What do you know about Belarus?
          And why do you say thank you?
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        But I saw how Russians leave to live in Kazakhstan for permanent residence, and with their families. Over the past six months, two young families with children have rushed there and all have the same thesis: it is easier for a person of labor to survive there.

        It would be nice to see the proofs, it is curious what kind of Russians are there and with their families leaving for permanent residence in Kazakhstan.
        1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 16: 25 New
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          It would be nice to see the proofs, it is curious what kind of Russians are there and with their families leaving for permanent residence in Kazakhstan.

          My dear, what proof do you need? Extracts from the passport office?
          Don't hesitate. Everything that does not contradict the Federal Law No. 152 of 27.07.2006, I will gladly provide you.
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            My dear, what proof do you need? Extracts from the passport office?
            Don't hesitate. Everything that does not contradict the Federal Law No. 152 of 27.07.2006, I will gladly provide you.

            Spread out that it is useless to say that. We wait.
            1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 18: 38 New
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              Unfortunately, all the data I have in my hands allows me to directly identify a person, which is a direct violation of the specified legislation, so you will get by!
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                Unfortunately, all the data I have in my hands allows me to directly identify a person, which is a direct violation of the specified legislation, so you will get by

                That is, there is no evidence. Clear. repeat
              2. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 18: 46 New
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                Would you like me to break the law? No, of course, I understand that for you the administration may not be such a grave crime, but I am not so rich as not to find a use for ten thousand rubles for another.
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                Would you like me to break the law? No, of course, I understand that for you the administration may not be such a grave crime, but I am not so rich as not to find a use for ten thousand rubles for another.

                Well, no, no, no, and no conversation. And I have heard different fairy tales, both true and not very. And when, on the other hand, in court you listen to the opinion of an employee of the prosecutor's office, you perceive everything differently and there is no pathos, and in general the world is seen in a different light. Well, this is only personally verified. Again, everyone is different. request
              4. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 20: 37 New
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                If you want, I can describe the anamnesis in a nutshell. My classmate married a guy from Pavladar. He is Russian, he studied here. Have registered. He even renounced the citizenship of Kazakhstan, so that there would be no dual citizenship and everything was "according to the law." Have given birth to a little son. We lived with her parents in a three-ruble note of the Khrushchev type. Graduated from university, began to look for work. With the latter it was not very much that she had, that he had. And it doesn't matter that one is a humanist, and the other is a techie (in such depressed regions as the Altai Territory, no one cares about a diploma at all, except that doctors and teachers are recruited according to their profile). Fortunately, parents on both sides helped, but it is clear that this could not go on forever. Ultimately, the parents called their son home to Pavlodar with a promise to help him find employment. And so it happened. For a couple of years he tried to live on a rotational basis, because my classmate did not want to change Russia to Kazakhstan. But it is clear that this type of relationship does not contribute to a strong family. As a result, I made concessions to my husband. Now she regrets that she did not do this earlier, because after six months of being behind the ribbon, she found a job in her profile and began to build a house. And here is 5 years of ordeals. And it would be fine if everything rests on the overstated requirements of the applicants themselves. On the contrary. It's just that when you are burdened with your family, you look at the world a little differently and perceive it.

                The second case is also strangely connected with work. More precisely, its absence in our region. The company in which another friend of mine worked ordered me to live long. In other similar organizations, there were either no vacancies, or they required more seniority than he had. Where will he get it? As a result, after a couple of months without work, he decided to expand the geography of searching for a new place of employment by the territory of a neighboring state. And I found a vacancy in a transport company dealing with deliveries from Kazakhstan to Russia and back. The requirements for applicants were quite loyal. I went to work, I liked it. Then at work it was necessary to move to live closer to the border. Having carefully considered the options, I decided to settle on the other side of the frontier, explaining this by the fact that there is better infrastructure, compared to our crowded rural areas.

                I understand that all these are special cases, but as an example of the fact that migration flows go in different directions and that the light did not converge on Russia alone, it is quite enough.
                And to believe or not to believe me is your right.
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                I understand that all these are special cases, but as an example of the fact that migration flows go in different directions and that the light did not converge on Russia alone, it is quite enough.
                And to believe or not to believe me is your right.

                Well, why not immediately explain? Why is there pathos about responsibility for disclosing "secret" data? In general, a sufficient number of people leave in different directions and for different reasons. At one time, a number of ethnic Kazakhs left for Kazakhstan, a program of assistance to migrants was adopted there, and they received good lifting allowances. local Kazakhs were not all happy about this, by the way. And what is there to raise a wave about 2 families? A straight stream of immigrants poured in! laughing More people leave Kazakhstan for Russia, so what? There have always been and will be dissatisfied. Now another wave of buyers of second citizenship has begun, they are buying for "a lot of money", they are going to go. Do they buy a passport for an honest salary, for at least $ 200000? For me, so let them go, they don't need to go back, let them live there. An acquaintance of ours alone went to Hungary to study. with the aim of marrying a Hungarian later. And what comes back, cursing everything. And I would not let her. Why are Russia like that? Useless ballast. IMHO.
              6. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 21: 07 New
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                Well, why not immediately explain? Why is there a pathos about responsibility for disclosing "secret" data?

                Not secret, but personal. For the disclosure of which the corresponding liability is also provided. Read the laws.
                And what is there to raise a wave about 2 families? A straight stream of immigrants poured in!

                Well, the same can be said about the Belarusians
                There have always been and will be dissatisfied.

                And what does the dissatisfied have to do with when people simply cannot find work?
                For me, so let them go, they don't need to go back, let them live there. An acquaintance of ours alone went to Hungary to study. with the aim of marrying a Hungarian later. And what comes back, cursing everything. And I would not let her. Why are Russia like that? Useless ballast. IMHO.

                The Russians survived - the ballast, and the Ramshans and Dzhamshuts - the necessary and qualified personnel. For those who are in the tank, I will explain. He and she are Russian, he is just a native of Kazakhstan. I studied in Russia and here I met my classmate. Do you understand? It was not she who went to Kazakhstan for her husband, and it was not he who went to Russia for his wife. The guys fell in love with each other. Their son was born. Russian. Do you understand? And nevertheless they were forced to leave for a foreign land. For who is the Motherland, and who is the stepmother. That's all. So your example is a little off topic.
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                The Russians survived - a ballast, and Ramshans с Dzhamshutami - the necessary and qualified personnel.

                Well you cutlets from flies then separate. I specifically wrote who I consider ballast. What kind of Russians are these with an Israeli passport, for example? Where I wrote about Равшана with Jumshud? What does Belarus have to do with it, about which I have not written a word? Even if you muddy the water here .. Have you decided to catch a fish in it? wink
              8. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 21: 22 New
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                What does Belarus have to do with it, about which I have not written a word?

                Well, the article is not about Belarus, and my comment was initially not connected with it in any way.
                Even if you muddy the water here .. Have you decided to catch a fish in it?

                No, I'm not claiming someone else's bread, I leave it to you.
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              Pavlodar is a city half Russian in ethnic composition, and is located close to the Russian border.
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      MMX 30 July 2020 20: 40 New
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      And where does the violation of the law? Give the official statistics. RF or RK. Everything is written there - so much left, so many arrived. Migration is an official thing, you know.
      How do you like that?
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      Duck, it seems, they ask me on specific cases recourse
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      MMX 30 July 2020 21: 00 New
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      Duck, it seems, they ask me on specific cases recourse


      Yes, in particular, these do not interest anyone. The message was that how large this process is. This is the indicator. And he just says that the Russian Federation for all CIS countries is a magnet for labor migration.
    5. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 21: 19 New
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      The message was that the person said that in his memory, no one from the Russian Federation to countries to earn money or permanent residence in the CIS countries (and specifically Belarus) did not leave. I objected to him that such cases still take place. I did not subscribe to conduct large-scale sociology. Of course, one could try to do this, look at the data, calculate the proportion, but it’s already XNUMX:XNUMX am, and tomorrow I’ll go to work. So thank you, it's somehow without me.
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      MMX 31 July 2020 16: 21 New
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      The message was that the person said that in his memory, no one from the Russian Federation to countries to earn money or permanent residence in the CIS countries (and specifically Belarus) did not leave. I objected to him that such cases still take place. I did not subscribe to conduct large-scale sociology. Of course, one could try to do this, look at the data, calculate the proportion, but it’s already XNUMX:XNUMX am, and tomorrow I’ll go to work. So thank you, it's somehow without me.


      Seriously? Here is a comrade in plain text:
    7. Dante Alighieri 1 August 2020 07: 01 New
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      A discussion is not destiny to look through to understand where the conversation began?

      I don’t care about the wishes of your comrade in salary, I don’t care from the high bell tower, I have no wings, a magic wand and other attributes of fabulous animals fulfilling wishes.
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      I read everything and everything is obvious there. Only you don't want to admit it.
  5. Tank hard 30 July 2020 21: 21 New
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    Give the official statistics. RF or RK.

    Yes, he does not give anything here. There is one goal, to discredit Russia in any way. IMHO. hi
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    Yes, it is clear with the image of Russia that everything is very bad, since some shabby commentator can discredit it. I'm afraid to imagine what will happen if you really set yourself such a goal? Isn't it funny yourself?
  • g1v2 30 July 2020 13: 03 New
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    Well, I don’t know who left the Russian Federation for permanent residence in Kazakhstan, but on the contrary, there are a lot of people who came from there to the Russian Federation. But I believe that your friends really decided to look for happiness there, although it is much easier to make money here in large cities or in the north. Anyway.
    As for the mother at home with the children, something is hard to believe, especially after the father already introduced a tax on dependents. I will believe in maternity leave, but I strongly doubt that women of Belarus do not work en masse.
    The problem of RB is different. Belarus, Ukraine and Russia initially built the economy as a single complex. Moreover, the main part of the complex and control facilities were and are located in the Russian Federation. Therefore, the Russian Federation can replace the industry of the Republic of Belarus and Ukraine, but on the contrary, it cannot. THE BELARUSIAN ECONOMY IS A PART OF THE ONE WHOLE. This is how it was created. And accordingly, it cannot work effectively otherwise. Any barriers or borders between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus are harmful to it. Therefore, the state border between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation is a strong constraining factor for the Belarusian economy and living standards.
    What will happen if Belarus decides to sever economic ties and turn to the west? Well, Ukraine has clearly shown. An instant fall in the economy, finances and living standards, plus an increase in tariffs and an internal conflict. Simply because her industry was part of a single complex. Well, the Russian Federation is gradually replacing Ukrainian products. Since we have control centers, resources too, then the replacement of even such a large part of a single industry as the Ukrainian one did not become something critical. The Belarusian part is even smaller, in which case the import will be substituted even faster. Is it profitable for us? Not too much. Is it profitable for RB? Well, using the example of Ukraine, we see that no. request
    But what is beneficial for the Belarusian economy and population? Remove all boundaries and barriers between her and the rest of the complex. It's just beneficial. So that we do not have to replace the products of Minsk, the Belarusian industry would receive resources and energy carriers at domestic Russian prices, and Belarusian agrarians could sell goods on an equal basis with Russian ones throughout the large country and enjoy all the benefits. Again, a unified army is much cheaper to maintain. Even without politics and the simple fact that we are one divided people. removing borders is simply beneficial. request
    1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 16: 11 New
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      but that women in Belarus do not work en masse - I strongly doubt it.

      And I didn't say that, I just noted that men go to earn money in the Russian Federation, and women stay at home. Where in this sentence crept in the assertion that they are sitting and doing nothing I absolutely do not understand.

      Therefore, the state border between the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation is a strong constraining factor for the Belarusian economy and living standards.

      Do you know anything about the Eurasian Union? In fact, this economic association simplifies economic flows so much that the borders become nominal in many respects, and given the special "union" status of Belarus, we can say that the border as such is represented only on the map. No, there is some kind of customs point and even a separator, and even uniformed employees are present, but that's all. At least this was the case in 2012 when I was there.

      So that we do not have to replace the products of Minsk, the Belarusian industry would receive resources and energy at domestic Russian prices, and Belarusian agrarians could sell goods on a par with Russian ones throughout the entire large country and enjoy all the benefits.

      And who will guarantee that all of the above will be preserved after unrestrained Russian capital rushes into Belarus? Or do you think the same Kamaz needs a competitor in the person of MAZ? Yeah, of course. The least that the Minsk plant can expect: designers and smart specialists will be lured to Tatarstan or the Urals, most of the machines and equipment will go there, the remaining employees will be laid off, and the former workshops will be converted into shopping centers. Collective farms will face approximately the same fate. Or do you think some Mirotorg or other large agricultural holding will like that someone will dump food prices with their cheaper and higher quality products? Right now. At best, they will also be bought up and reoriented to other directions. But the fact that the collective farm is preserved does not mean that Belarusians will continue to work on it, and not hirelings from other republics of the former union.

      Understand I am not against the unification of two nationalities into a single people. We are being pushed to this not only by economic ties, which, as you correctly noted, were links of one unified Soviet system, but by the very historical necessity. Russians are dying out, and only an infusion of 10 million Belarusians and 30 million Ukrainians can slow down this process. I am simply for the fact that before getting married, you first need to put things in order in your hut, and do something with yourself. Show that you are capable of offering something more than great-power chauvinism and uncontrolled misanthropic capital, and then people themselves will be drawn to you / Us and not only Belarusians. So far, this has not happened, the existing mechanisms are quite enough to maintain economic ties in the current state and further, and for an indefinitely long time.
      1. g1v2 30 July 2020 18: 12 New
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        It is really worth luring specialists from independent Belarus. And the competitor in the form of foreign Maz is also worth pressing. And if there is only one country, then what is the point of luring people from one working site to another? Does it make sense to move a plant that produces products to a new location? From a foreign country, where tyrant rules, there is a sense to transfer. And why in a single state? On the contrary, for Maz, all barriers will fall. Because it will become a domestic brand, and once again access to government contracts will become possible. request
        How did you decide that capital will rush to you? This is a utopia. We must fight for him and lure him like a beast. I understand that you have scary tales about sinister Russian oligarchs who are just waiting to buy up and destroy everything. The 90s are long over. In fact, you will have to try hard so that Russian big business decides to seriously invest in you. Vaughn Israel gave Abramovich a 2-year tax exemption, only for him to come to them and start a business there.
        I am generally silent about the defense industry. Most of it has been in state corporations for a long time. OSK, UAC, ODK, Rostec. The Belarusian military-technical complex has nothing to fear. As it was state and will remain.
        It's funny about the agrarians. In 2011, the GDP announced a food security program. I set the parameters that need to be achieved to provide the country with havchik. Loans and benefits went into this business. Therefore, companies such as Miratorg began to grow rapidly. Of course, they can buy a successful enterprise, but in order to increase their market share, and not destroy it. There is still room to grow in milk and beef. Again, we have now concluded agreements with the PRC to permit the supply of our food. And this is generally the Klondike. But what about who owns the collective farm? Is it really important to you if salaries are paid more and on time? belay
        What kind of demon to lead the working hands to where they are and, let's face it, are cheap? Why should Gaster jump to you? Rather, you will rush to richer regions. request
        The decline in population between us and you is exactly the same. As in the whole white world. 10 million people is certainly a big plus, but the decline in population as a result of the 90s is the same. Only we have the opportunity to replenish it at the expense of migrants from the former republics, and you do not. You have for them stupidly poor to go. They cannot earn money in Belarus. And again, don't you contradict yourself? You say that we desperately need your working hands, then that we will catch up with you?
        Well, what about chauvinism and so on. I am an imperialist and a militarist by nature. I have a hard time with internationalism and other perversions. Sorry. request I assess the situation simply. The modern world is a zone of constant competition, in which you have to fight for your interests. If you become part of a common country and destiny, we will fight for yours too. Not? Excuse me. request
        In general, thanks for the comment. It becomes better to understand why you are intimidated by local propaganda and why you are so afraid of unification. And it is clear that this comes from the very top. Old Man is terribly afraid of losing his feudal principality. And they will definitely use it. No matter how he repeated the fate of a friend of Gaddafi or Ceausescu. hi
        1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 18: 29 New
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          And if there is only one country, then what is the point of luring people from one working site to another? Does it make sense to move a plant that produces products to a new location?

          Well, you just do not live under capitalism. Yes, to be a monopolist and dictate the conditions and prices for your products yourself, regardless of what competitors can offer. It's a classic sad
          In general, thanks for the comment. It becomes better to understand why you are intimidated by local propaganda and why you are so afraid of unification.

          Hahahaha, what did you take me for a Belarusian? Thank you, of course, but I'm actually a citizen of Russia and I live in the south of Siberia in the Altai Territory. The propaganda of Minsk does not affect me from the word at all. No propaganda influences me at all, I am used to thinking with my own head. And all that I have outlined here is my vision as an outsider, unbiased observer.

          And you can not tell me about big business, I have seen enough of the local "masters of life" in the framework of an elective tour of the Siberian Federal District. So I perfectly understand what big business is guided by.

          Only we have the opportunity to replenish it at the expense of migrants from the former republics, and you do not.


          A dubious achievement, especially considering what kind of genocide they committed against the Russian population in the 90s. But you are kind. You forgive everything. And I'm angry. Very angry and not very good. And I don't forgive anyone
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            Well, the flags were removed, now it is not clear who is who. So most of the comments are down the drain. request
            As for MAZ, if it belongs to you and makes a profit, then why destroy it? If it is a foreign competitor, then of course it is, but if it is in the same country, then what is the point?
            I do not think that those masters of life that you have met are just big business. Just pontorez. And big business is guided by the same thing that most people are guided by throughout history. To make money, pass on to their descendants and ensure their survival and security as far as possible. Instincts are the same as that of a billionaire and that of a janitor. request
            I am an imperialist by conviction, which means that there is much less kindness in me than the average person. As for what happened in the 90s, it was natural. A common situation for the collapse of an empire. Similarly, the Caucasian and Asian gangs slaughtered the Russians in the Civil, and any victorious separatists did the same with the representatives of the old metropolis who remained on their territory. It doesn't cost anything to forget, but it is stupid to run into it. The neighbor will not go anywhere and in any case, you will have to improve relations with him.
          2. Dante Alighieri 31 July 2020 07: 20 New
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            As for MAZ, if it belongs to you and makes a profit, then why destroy it? If it is a foreign competitor, then of course it is, but if it is in the same country, then what is the point?

            You think in the categories of a planned socialist economy, when everything is either state or cooperative, i.e. when the owner is one and his name is a sovereign multinational people. And when there are many owners, the very competition arises within which all means are good. But what to say about different business entities, when within the framework of one legal entity. faces such battles around the pieces of the common pie unfold that you are amazed. For example, take a look at what is happening in state corporations, the same UAC, Russian Helicopters or USC. Various design bureaus are ready to devour each other with giblets just to push a competitor away from budget funding. Somewhere it is possible to find a compromise, somewhere this is achieved by the delineation of powers, but if tomorrow one design bureau has the final opportunity to do away with another design bureau, and the people in the leadership who should prevent this will turn a blind eye to what is happening, it will most likely succeed. An example of the half-dead design bureau of Mikoyan and Kamov, an example of that. The only state corporation about which something like that has not been heard is Rosatom, but there is a separate story that goes back to Lavrenty Pavlovich.
            I do not think that those masters of life that you have met are just big business. Just pontorez.

            Anything has happened. Sometimes it turned out that it was easier to work with the owners of the malls than with the generals of the existing factories, because the former simply laundered money, while the latter were the offspring of shareholders with a controlling stake, considered themselves a "white bone" and behaved accordingly. The bottom line is that both of them went into politics to protect their investments, but the attitude was different.
            The neighbor will not go anywhere and in any case, you will have to improve relations with him.

            So fix it, why pull something to your hut? Especially when you are not even allowed on the doorstep.
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      No, there is no customs an item and even a separator, and even employees in uniform are present, but that's all. At least this was the case in 2012 when I was there.

      there are no customs officers there since the beginning of the 2000s - since the previous Union of the RF-RB
  • Dinar Gizatullin 30 July 2020 17: 47 New
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    I live in the Tomsk region and see the opposite picture: young people are going to study from Kazakhstan and trying to stay in Russia! What are you talking about..
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      I live in the Tomsk region

      Well, you also chose not the most battered region for life, for some reason you ignored the Altai Territory. Can you explain why?
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        I live in the Tomsk region

        Well, you also chose not the most battered region for life, for some reason you ignored the Altai Territory. Can you explain why?


        Many people from the Republic of Kazakhstan also came to the Altai Territory. And Tomsk did not leave Barnaul in terms of living standards (if not vice versa). What are you for?
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          Tomsk did not leave Barnaul in terms of living standards (if not vice versa).

          In Tomsk the main thing is work, everything else is convention. In Barneapol - go look for her.
          A lot of Kazakhstan also came to Altai Territory.

          Do you know what outflow of the population in general? And I'm leaving the Russians. Some are leaving where: some to other regions, some to other countries, some even to the same Kakhzakhstan. And yes, if you have the impression that Kazakhs are coming here in a continuous stream, then this is a delusion. They are doing well at home. There is a certain percentage who came to study, but many return home after completing their studies. Mostly Uzbeks, Kyrgyz and, let them not be offended, other riffraffs, travel steadily. There are not so many Kazakhs against their background. In general, an excellent example of how the replacement of the indigenous population by newcomers occurs. Glory to the Party and the Government!

          Zs The main percentage of those who arrived in the region from Kazakhstan fell on the 90s, early 20s, when the Kazakhs squeezed the Russians either to the periphery, or even from the country altogether. But this process has long been stalled, tk. those who succumbed to the pressure returned to Russia long ago, and those who showed "resilience" and stayed where they lived, can only be physically eliminated. Fortunately, the Kazakhs, for the most part, are not so much bloodthirsty to "solve" the issue completely, and the Russians are not to say that they interfere too much, the process of realizing oneself as a sovereign nation is inevitably accompanied by such excesses.
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    But I saw how Russians leave to live in Kazakhstan for permanent residence, and with their families. Over the past six months, two young families with children have rushed there and all have the same thesis: it is easier for a person of labor to survive there.

    Well, this is nonsense .. are the Kazakhs really waiting for them there? Or to the northern territories, but there everything is overgrown with feather grass and, in general, a desert for many hundreds of kilometers .. Everything is destroyed and abandoned .. Then it is understandable. As Kazakhs during the Soviet era, some declared, we are not farmers, we are cattle breeders ..
    To which Dad replied, swearing, "you are cattle-eaters" ...
    PS And after the collapse of the USSR, they all became gas and oil workers, well, uranium technologies, etc. mastered and sat there concentrating hehe
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      You know, I myself would not have believed it if it were not for real stories before my eyes.
      And so yes we are talking about Pavlodar. In one case, the parents helped with work (they are Russians just living in Kazakhstan), in the second, the guy at work had to live closer to the border, so he chose where to settle, either in rural areas of the Altai Territory or in Pavladar. The choice fell in favor of the latter, since infrastructure, he said, there will still be better than in the same Slavgorod.

      Ps The Kyrgyz used to be very offended when they were reminded that before the Russians came, they did not know the toilet and used sand as the main means of hygiene. But these are the tales of the generation that caught it directly; personally, I do not welcome such things.
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    But I saw how Russians leave to live in Kazakhstan for permanent residence, and with their families.

    And I know about 25 families who have moved from Kazakhstan to Russia and work at the "Aksai Poultry Factory" as specialists. My childhood friend left for Kazakhstan with his parents as a preschooler. Everyone's back ...
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      Everyone has their own experience, you shouldn't broadcast it to the whole society as a whole. I also know people like that who live in Altai, and before that they lived in Kazakhstan, but I know the other way around. Now what? It was about the fact that the person said that in his memory, no one from the Russian Federation to the countries to earn money or permanent residence in the CIS countries (and specifically Belarus) did not leave. I objected to him that such cases still take place, though not in relation to Belarus, but to Kazakhstan. And that's all. It was not my goal to measure how many departed and how many arrived.
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        But I saw how Russians leave to live in Kazakhstan for permanent residence, and with their families.

        And I know about 25 families who moved from Kazakhstan to Russia

        This I mean that you do not need to show tendencies one-sided. Maybe someone is leaving, but specific people come.
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    Who told you that Belarus is a welfare state .... it's just a "SHOP" .... just the mentality of people is different .... they were quietly silent for 20 years and everyone went about their business .... "who earned as he could" ..at enterprises, a priori unprofitable, people produced uncompetitive products for which the state paid, and it, in turn, used the Russian "FREEZE" to pay salaries to workers ..... here is the whole economy for you .....
    1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 16: 21 New
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      Who told you that Belarus is a welfare state .... it's just "SHOWCASE"

      I understand that perfectly. But at least there, at least no one publicly refuses this vector, while Russian officials have recently broken loose, competing who will spit wittily into the coffin of social solidarity, starting from "the state did not ask you to give birth" and ending with advice to those who lack livelihood remember the famine of the war. Moreover, I would like to note that both federal employees and any kind of peeling on the ground allow themselves to do this, and this suggests that the general trend towards dismantling the welfare state and unwillingness to follow the principles of social justice is understood by everyone, young and old. Therefore, in choosing between a showcase and broken glass, I will still choose a showcase.
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        And then they fly from their posts after their stupid statements! This is an indicator of the effectiveness of the authorities' reaction to inadequate leaders! And in Belarus, Old Man only yells indicatively at the guilty official in the camera and conducts demonstrative repression .. there directors have to go out of their way so as not to be jailed and out of despair!
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          And then they fly from their posts after their stupid statements!

          Examples in the studio!
          there directors have to go out of their way so as not to be imprisoned and out of despair!

          Those. Are you opposed to people working honestly and conscientiously performing their duties?
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        This is in Russian ... and at least, honestly ... in the nineties they also spoke directly ... "we will come and take ... but no, we will kill ..." ...... in Belarus, the officials together "applaud and wave ", and quietly doing their own thing ..... and admitting to these things only" their "..... here's social policy for you. Nobody directly says that they do not care about the people, but a significant part think so .... and more ..... in Belarus there is such a tendency in the public sector .... if you work .... "be grateful" that you have this job .... but no wallow .... even if you are a good specialist ..... so they go to Russia or Poland ....
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        2. Dante Alighieri 31 July 2020 07: 40 New
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          Nobody directly says that they don't care about the people, but a significant part think so ...

          You see, symbolism has a priority in politics, because power itself power in many respects stems from these very symbols. It is one thing when deeds diverge from words, but at least a semblance of adherence to the postulated principles reflected in the symbols of state power (and above all in its fundamental law, which is also a symbol) is publicly observed, and quite another when officials are allowed to make judgments that are publicly available. these symbols are contradicted. In both cases, behind-the-scenes agreements and "telephone law" take place, but in the first case there is at least the illusion of formal compliance with the procedures, while in the second the society has a stable feeling of its powerlessness and complete irresponsibility of the authorities. Needless to say, what are the consequences of such behavior of officials who "think too loudly" but in fact do not think at all?
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            I'll ask a counter question .... who raised these geeks? Planet Neptune .......... or maybe penguins at the South Pole ??? They are citizens of the Russian Federation and were brought up, and most of them were educated in Russia, which means ....... the conclusion follows that the problem is not nomenclature .... it stems from Russian society, or as it is fashionable to say "Russian world" today. And to be even more laconic, the whole trouble lies in the person, communities and finally society.
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              There is a high probability that you are right. However, do not forget that any system consists of more identical elements, others are simply discarded. So it may well give up that in fact it is not that we have no shortage of good and correct people (which I actually have no doubt about), but that such people are practically not represented in the administrative apparatus, since they are alien and alien to it ... Just like this apparatus is foreign to society as a whole.
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                Hmm ..... interesting ..... it turns out ..... "split personality" .... although the personality is one ..... just mimics how many living organisms ...... I like- it's a long time ago. a couple of years ago I read an article in "Arguments and Facts" why they steal in Russia, I don't remember the author, but its essence is the fear of not being "like everyone else and being" out of work "..... and I admit this hypothesis .. .... here it is mimicry in action ...... honest .... go to the "side of life" ....... these rules of the "game" created these communities of "business and those in power" ... .... and what do we have, as they say "in the bottom line" ..... and everything too .... man ..... the main problem of the planet Earth!
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        Hmm .... and who is to blame ??? They are that from Mars .... these officials and "shelupon", they are from the people .... flesh of flesh ...... there is a good Russian saying. "What a sleigh is, so are you" ....
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        In general, there is NOTHING to do for an adequate person neither in the Russian Federation nor in the Republic of Belarus, and in general in the post-Soviet space. And a person born in the USSR says this to you.
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        Amendment "What are themselves, such are the sledges" ....
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    The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said that they received lists of detainees from the Republic of Belarus ...
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    Yes, most likely, his current friends from overseas shoved the father misinformation, so he got into it like in shit

    With such a level of inadequacy and senile paranoia, it's so similar to how our general secretaries came from abroad with crazy heads. Irradiated, somewhere came under the mental pressure of the radiation. 8-)
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    with a high probability he will lose

    but who will let him lose then))
  • Navel 30 July 2020 14: 50 New
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    The fact that the Russians use Belarus as a transit country for traveling abroad has long been reflected even in the foreign press. Therefore, the provocation with the chop officers is obvious. This is the last link in a series of other provocations - the raider seizure of Gazprombank's subsidiary, Lukoshenko's constant Russophobic statements ...
    The main question: How long? Why is Russia silent?
    I have long noted on various resources that Sineokaya did not go through her 90s - she did not liquidate a lot of unprofitable enterprises, did not optimize the number of workers at factories, did not adjust her social policy taking into account internal capabilities, etc. As a result, an economic collapse is inevitable.
    The eternal question: Who is to blame?
    AHL wants to blame everything on Russia. A terrible Russophobia is going on in Belarusian Internet resources (even on “pro-Russian” ones), where the post “from Russia we only need cheap gas, oil and the market” is gaining maximum likes. But let's leave their problems to the locals.
    Is the Kremlin doing the right thing by not responding to provocations? I think yes. At the moment, it is more profitable for Russia to step aside and wait for the collapse of the “Belarus” limitrophic project. Then, according to Ishchenko's recipe, create his own East Indian company for the development of the territory ...
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      Quote: navel
      The fact that the Russians use Belarus as a transit country for traveling abroad has long been reflected even in the foreign press.

      What's so criminal about that?
      Quote: navel
      At the moment, it is more profitable for Russia to step aside, wait for the collapse of the limitrophic project "Belarus"

      Think of this idea to the end. In the Russian Federation, all regions are "limitrophic" with the exception of some extractive resources. What can you "master" in Belarus? By your logic, on the contrary, Gazprom, Norilsk Nickel and others should get rid of their social burden and shake the Russian Federation off their feet. This is extremism.
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    Lukashenka realized that he is likely to lose the elections

    Elections are not a question at all. Take a break for now. But it is already clear that in a joint (single) state, everything is bad, at all ends. Apparently Trump has been overthrown (Donald!).
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    Lukashenka understood ..
    Trump also understands something? Well, since he decided to "postpone" the elections ...
  • carstorm 11 30 July 2020 05: 15 New
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    something more and more seems that this is an excess of performers. someone at the top decided to show off. don't know the motivation. can the daddy substitute it like that (he now has a complete akhtung in the options for getting out of the situation) or simply did it and then realized what exactly. it all just looks like foolishness. people have not done anything at all illegal. on what basis were they detained? I don’t believe that the dad decided to resolve his issues. this scandal will simply not be forgiven him, and he must understand it perfectly. looks even more stupid all this as it is well said in the article due to the fact that WHERE ELSE 170 PEOPLE? !!!!
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      WHERE ELSE 170 PEOPLE? !!!!

      Do not worry, they will CAPTURE, there are few Russians. Of this group, 32 people were detained in a sanatorium, and the 33rd was detained somewhere in the south of the republic.
      Lukashenka has clearly demonstrated his fear, he is waiting for a "response" for his "freaks" with Russian business ...
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        I don't want to go there in the fall. I was running twice a year before, but now it's like that ... but I wanted to go to Gomel ...
        1. uladzimir.surko 30 July 2020 07: 21 New
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          Catch sober and in the military draw your own conclusions! drinks
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            Quote: uladzimir.surko
            Catch sober and in the military draw your own conclusions! drinks

            Therefore, arriving in Belarus, you need to immediately get drunk and dress like a hipster))
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              So he was disguised, but with Russian spies there strictly wassat
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            Catch sober and in the military draw your own conclusions!

            And sober in civilian life or drunk in the military? No, there is no desire to experiment anyway
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            you are strange ... I fly to Moscow regularly. my organization has a head office there. my oldest daughter lives in Moscow. I try to see each other more. I sit down on Sozh and go to Gomel. he comes early in the morning. you will walk with a peskodral) beauty) you should stop looking for a black cat where it is not) are you surprised by the fact that someone can travel around the country?) you know such a thing in the sky is flying, an airplane is called))) try it somehow)))
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              you know such a thing flies in the sky, the plane is called))) try it somehow)))

              He will now answer you that Putin's oligarchs have stolen everything from him, they barely have enough for the Internet. And you say fly an airplane.
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              1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 08: 29 New
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                Oh Lord ... why are you so carried by that?) Well, come and go with them. Yesterday there were 200 people. Increase their number to 201) Can't?) Why are all flights always full?) Who flies?) Our company is engaged in wholesale supplies. there is no forest and caviar) I'll tell you a terrible secret - the flight to Moscow and back costs 25000) and these are not preferential prices) for them two times less probably. and what do you support?) that the killer would walk free? is this your position of principle?) do you even know why they are there?))) and this is not swagger. it's an annoyance.
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                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  I'll tell you a terrible secret - a flight to Moscow and back costs 25000) and these are not preferential prices)

                  Well, yes, a trifle, of course, if you consider that the ssar identified citizens with an income of 17 thousand rubles in the middle class!
                  This is how much the average Russian needs not to eat in order to save up for a ticket from Khabarovsk to Muskvabad and back!
                  PySy. I do not think that you should boast of your wealth in a poor country, this will cause a negative reaction to you personally.
                  My friends live in Ussuriisk, if anything, and the people there, too, are not very happy, incl. servicemen of the brigade.
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                    I was not proud of anything. why did you start this song. and you are tortured to look for beggars here. my brother and I have a game, how many Kruzaks will we meet in a minute. yesterday there were 17) what brigade is that?) maybe you live among beggars, but I'm like that completely among other people. different people. my friend works as a train driver. he has a Toyota SUV from the passenger compartment for 1.5 rubles. you tell him all this, he will bite you on the spot)
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                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      I was not proud of anything. why did you start this song. and you will be tortured to look for beggars here. my brother and I have a game, how many Kruzaks will we meet in a minute. yesterday there were 17 of them) which brigade is that?)

                      You are a dark person and do not see beyond your nose, your destiny is to count gips, so count. You google the brigade yourself, military pancake laughing
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      he has a Toyota SUV from the passenger compartment for 1.5 rubles. you tell him all this, he will bite you on the spot)

                      I say kindergarten, nursery group yes
                      1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 09: 36 New
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                        Why should I google it?) I was just curious about how they write to you from the brigade in Ussuriysk when she's been in Khabarovsk since 12 years old?) I know this brigade since the days of Dyagterev) or as he told us, I'm punishing not for having screwed up, but for that that got caught) so please calm down and do not disgrace yourself. did you serve there? 282? 294? or OSRsnik?)
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                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        ... did you serve there? 282? 294? or OSRsnik?)

                        I did not serve there, but two of my fellow soldiers served one in Matveyevka, the other in Ussuriisk.
                        Only the first in GRushnaya, and the second in 83 odshbr
                        So I visited those parts a couple of times and I have an idea of ​​what was happening, the day before yesterday they talked only about all the Khabarovsk affairs.
                        So, as our jolly ensign said, "No need to pour kefir in the ass"! laughing .
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                        Quote: Stroporez

                        ... So I was visiting those parts a couple of times

                        How long have you been?
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                        Well, I congratulate you then) and I only spoke with a hundred people yesterday. on various topics. and all to one place and Furgal and rallies and in general all this hype. you have an idea and I live here! Already in the book, a proposal for a flash mob to throw eggs at these gentlemen flies. before that already got everyone. but you just figs understand where everything is better seen and you have an idea. That's great.
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                Quote: Stroporez
                This is how much the average Russian needs not to eat in order to save up for a ticket from Khabarovsk to Muskvabad and back!

                And these did not eat at all for a year .... and all for 17 thousand rubles. earn in order to fly to Sochi and Crimea on vacation:




                Moscow should be named with a small letter and the name changed ... one word -
                "patriot", rare!
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                  Quote: Nasr
                  one word -
                  "patriot", rare

                  No one can compare with you in patriotism wink
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                    Quote: Arlen
                    Quote: Nasr
                    one word -
                    "patriot", rare

                    With you finally can no one can compare in patriotism wink

                    And thank God!

                    One writes "maskvaabad", the other "finally" .... and then, the same hackers, they will roll barrels on the exam ... wassat
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                Quote: Stroporez

                My friends live in Ussuriisk, if anything, and the people there, too, are not very happy, incl. servicemen of the brigade.

                For those dissatisfied from Ussuriysk:

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                  I think it is not very important for the Khabarovsk people whether some unknown guy from the Internet believes them.
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                Well, yes, a trifle, of course, if you consider that the ssar identified citizens with an income of 17 thousand rubles in the middle class!
                This is how much an average Russian should not eat


                And this does not concern the Belarusians at all.
                Exit over there С
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              that the killer would walk free?

              They are not in favor of this, and you know that very well. They are in favor of a jury at the scene of the crime, i.e. in Khabarovsk (as strictly speaking the law dictates). And if the authorities continue to "lay down" on the opinion of the Khabarovsk citizens, then with what slogans they will come out tomorrow, no one knows.
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                okay?) In fact, they changed their slogans for a trial in Khabarovsk just 4 days ago. before that they went and demanded freedom, but who cares about the truth?) which touches before the trial as before the moon. even the investigation is not complete. why demand something that is not even assigned in a different form?)
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                  okay?) In fact, they changed their slogans for a trial in Khabarovsk just 4 days ago.


                  And Khabarovsk is definitely in Belarus ?? belay
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                    in Zimbabwe. why this stupid question then?)
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                    in Zimbabwe. why this stupid question then?)


                    Fursenko was a cruel man ...
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                    that's for sure)
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              okay?) In fact, they changed their slogans for a trial in Khabarovsk just 4 days ago. before that they went and demanded freedom, but who cares about the truth?) which touches before the trial as before the moon. even the investigation is not complete. why demand something that is not even assigned in a different form?)

              Don't lie, they had this slogan from the very beginning.
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                of course) where the hell are they?)
                and then last Saturday comes) hop
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        maskabad in the furnace!

        It was already like that, in the ninety-first year. Then, too, those whom you now brand as enemies and traitors yelled "Stop feeding Moscow! The center takes everything!"
        They were also firmly convinced that as soon as they got rid of the oppression of Moscow, they would heal like that!
        We got rid of it. Have you got it? Do you think it will be different this time, and therefore want to repeat?
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          It was already like that, in the ninety-first year. Then, too, those whom you now brand as enemies and traitors yelled "Stop feeding Moscow! The center takes everything!"

          Moscow, today is doing everything to ensure that the regions shout like that, the guilt of the central government is obvious. By no means am I calling for the separation of the regions from Moscow, but the policy of the central government in relation to the regions must change, otherwise the new nineties await us.
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            Moscow, today all to make the regions shout like that, the guilt of the central government is obvious.

            Decipher what does "ALL" mean?
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Moscow, today is doing everything to ensure that the regions shout like that, the guilt of the central government is obvious. By no means am I calling for the separation of the regions from Moscow, but the policy of the central government in relation to the regions must change, otherwise the new nineties await us.

            The periphery has always been and will be dissatisfied with the center, no matter what the center does, since it will always be convinced that it limits and restrains it.
            In my opinion, there are two solutions:
            1. As in the USA, that is, in fact, a confederation.
            2. As in RI - hard control in the form of general-governorships.
            The last option is closer to me.
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              Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
              The periphery has always been and will be dissatisfied with the center, no matter what the center does, since it will always be convinced that it limits and restrains it.

              Look at the relationship between the Union Republics in the USSR. The USSR developed and pulled the lagging republics to a certain average level.
              There were no dissatisfied.
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                There were no dissatisfied.

                You perfectly understand that this is impossible. There will always be dissatisfied people. In the Union, discontent was resolutely suppressed in the bud. Which is very correct. This created the appearance of relative calm.
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                Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
                You perfectly understand that this is impossible. There will always be dissatisfied people. In the Union, discontent was resolutely suppressed in the bud. Which is very correct. This created the appearance of relative calm.

                Today it is impossible. The USSR developed, built enterprises, etc. I lived in Uzbekistan, I saw how Uzbekistan developed, but in the USSR it came from feudalism, and in the Khiva Khanate, it was generally like slavery. Until Gorbachev came, there really weren't any disaffected.
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                Quote: aleksejkabanets

                Today it is impossible. The USSR developed, built enterprises, etc. I lived in Uzbekistan, I saw how Uzbekistan developed, but in the USSR it came from feudalism, and in the Khiva Khanate, it was generally like slavery. Until Gorbachev came, there really weren't any disaffected.

                About Uzbekistan specifically:
                Year 1969
                April 4-12. Uzbek SSR, Tashkent. Pogrom of Russians in Tashkent. Participated: more than 1000 people. Reason: interethnic clash. There were killed and wounded. Bottom line: the riots after the football match "Pakhtakor" - "Wings of the Soviets" spilled over into interethnic clashes, which were suppressed. About 1 thousand people were detained, the nationalist aspect of the riots was hidden by the authorities.

                We lived in Uzbekistan and do not know about this - what does it mean?

                A longer list of grievances in the USSR from Khrushch to Gorbach is here:
                https://ivanesergeev.livejournal.com/232579.html
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                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
                You perfectly understand that this is impossible. There will always be dissatisfied people. In the Union, discontent was resolutely suppressed in the bud. Which is very correct. This created the appearance of relative calm.

                Today it is impossible. The USSR developed, built enterprises, etc. I lived in Uzbekistan, I saw how Uzbekistan developed, but in the USSR it came from feudalism, and in the Khiva Khanate, it was generally like slavery. Until Gorbachev came, there really weren't any disaffected.

                Continued:

                Do you know why there was a pogrom in 1969? And why were Russians beaten in Tashkent - because in 1966 there was an earthquake in Tashkent and the city was destroyed ..... And they came to restore it - who? That's right - Russians ... as you said there, the USSR began to develop Uzbekistan ... only the locals did not like it. I didn’t like that Russians were coming, there was really a massive arrival of Russians to restore the city .....
          3. AU Ivanov. 30 July 2020 09: 36 New
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            He pulled up. At the expense of the RSFSR. Moreover, some are up to average, and some are much above average.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            He pulled up. At the expense of the RSFSR. Moreover, some are up to average, and some are much above average.

            To be objective, it is not only at the expense of the RSFSR. There is no need to rave about the theme that "Russia has always fed everyone."
          5. Sidor Amenpodestovich 30 July 2020 10: 09 New
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            There is no need to rave about the theme that "Russia has always fed everyone."

            Why is this nonsense? Just because you don't like it?
            Russia, as the largest in area and population, as well as as the most industrially developed republic, simply could not but be the largest donor for all other territories, first RI, and then the USSR.
            Are you saying that RI did not develop controlled spaces?
            Who built ports, factories and factories in Ukraine?
            Who built the MKZT, MAZ and everything else in Belarus?
            Maybe Uzbekistan built TAPO itself?
            Or have the Baltic ports and all the corresponding infrastructure built themselves?
          6. aleksejkabanets 30 July 2020 10: 18 New
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            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            Why is this nonsense? Just because you don't like it?

            Look, subsidized and dated republics in the USSR. In addition to the RFSR, are all other subsidized ones?
            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            Who built ports, factories and factories in Ukraine?
            Who built the MKZT, MAZ and everything else in Belarus?
            Maybe Uzbekistan built TAPO itself?

            Let me tell you a secret, people came from all over the USSR for such large-scale projects, and often stayed there. Thus, the USSR, among other things, sought a more homogeneous national composition.
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            I'll tell you a secret, people came from all over the USSR for such large-scale projects,

            Which were sent on a mission from Moscow. And what nationality was there the most?
            Look, subsidized and dated republics in the USSR. In addition to the RFSR, are all other subsidized ones?

            I looked. Besides the RSFSR, only Belarus. But compare the area of ​​these republics with the population.
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            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            Which were sent on a mission from Moscow. And what nationality was there the most?

            What nationalities were there most in the USSR?
          9. Sidor Amenpodestovich 30 July 2020 10: 35 New
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            What nationalities were there most in the USSR?

            I wrote about this in one of the previous comments.
            For objective reasons, Russia was - could not but be - the largest donor of the other republics.
            And, to some extent, it still remains.
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        Quote: aleksejkabanets

        Let me tell you a secret, people came from all over the USSR for such large-scale projects, and often stayed there. Thus, the USSR, among other things, sought a more homogeneous national composition.

        We know, we know .... The virgin lands were "raised", and the Russian village was killed ... after that, they began to buy bread from the foes ... for that, we will proudly say - a more homogeneous national composition ... yeah.
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        We know, we know .... The virgin lands were "raised", and the Russian village was killed ... after that, they began to buy bread from the foes ... for that, we will proudly say - a more homogeneous national composition ... yeah.

        I'm wondering, are you writing this nonsense for money, or is it all the fault of modern education, or rather its absence?
  • Coward 30 July 2020 09: 42 New
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    It was not in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia who were dissatisfied? !! In Georgia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, there were no disaffected either ?!
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    It was not in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia who were dissatisfied? !! In Georgia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, there were no disaffected either ?!

    I will not say about the Baltics, but before the arrival of Gorbachev in Georgia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan there were no dissatisfied, and nationalism, in the modern sense of the word, the same was absent.
  • Coward 30 July 2020 09: 53 New
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    And they told me how to mines. we got water by voucher, which we had to face after arriving in Georgia. And that was before Gorbachev.
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    And they told me how to mines. we got water by voucher, which we had to face after arriving in Georgia. And that was before Gorbachev.

    Almost every year my uncle and I went to rest through Georgia, along the Georgian military road, there were never any excesses, everyone was very friendly.
  • aleksejkabanets 30 July 2020 10: 11 New
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    And they told me how to mines. we got the waters on a ticket,

    Minvody, by the way, this is Stavropol Territory, there is an airport, we flew from there to Tashkent almost every year.
  • Sergej1972 1 August 2020 22: 05 New
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    In Georgia and in Abkhazia, which is part of it, the strong nationalism of Georgians and Abkhazians was strongly visible with the naked eye in the 70s and 80s.
  • Sergej1972 1 August 2020 22: 02 New
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    No, the United States is still a federation, in which the federal budget is larger than the budget of all states and municipalities combined. the country is rich. can afford parallel judicial and penal systems, federal and state.
  • Arlen 30 July 2020 10: 10 New
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    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    The center takes everything

    That's right, Moscow takes everything.
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    as soon as they get rid of the oppression of Moscow, they will heal!
    We got rid of it. Have you got it?

    Russia did not get rid of the oppression of Moscow. Moscow, as it took everything from us, and continues to take it.
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    why do you want to repeat?

    What to repeat? Collapse of the country? My dear man, the country was being ruined by supporters of "capitalism", you did not like the people's power, you needed a flea market.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 30 July 2020 10: 18 New
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      Nice man, the country was destroyed by supporters of "capitalism",

      And now "Moscow is taking everything" shouting supporters of socialism?
      1. Arlen 30 July 2020 11: 06 New
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        Moscow is a metropolis. Because of the structured vertical of power in the country, all decisions, even small ones, are made in Moscow. All taxes are paid there, to Moscow. You would try to keep yourself something superfluous! Moscow will quickly remove the governor, who leaves too much money in the region. 80% of all Russian money circulates in the capital. And crumbs come back - most regional budgets are suffocating from debts.
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          Because the shadow economy is flourishing in the regions. Accordingly, the level of tax collection is low. The money allocated from the federal budget is spent in an unclear way.
          For example, payments to doctors for the coronavirus. The money was transferred, but the doctors were either not paid at all, or only a part.
          Is Moscow to blame for this, or is it the local princes and their henchmen?
          And this is not an isolated case, but a systemic problem. Hence the debts. Not because "Moscow takes everything," but because the locals are buzzing. Since Moscow is far away, so you can not be particularly afraid and not strain. The local authorities should deal with all this, and they only criticize Moscow a lot.
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          Where do the leg systems grow from? Are the regions invented it? And the governors-princelings whose proteges?
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          Where do the leg systems grow from? Are the regions invented it? And the governors-princelings whose proteges?

          The legs of the system have been growing since the time of Tsar Gorokh, and certainly not the current Russian authorities invented it.
          Well, here Furgal, judging by the words of your like-minded people, is by no means a henchman.
          Do you think that in the Khabarovsk Territory there is no corruption, shadow business, protection by state structures and everything like that?
        4. Dizel200 31 July 2020 07: 38 New
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          How interesting is it for you))) The system is from the king of peas, the regions are all mired in corruption and protection, and the central government is white and fluffy and the most important thing has nothing to do with it))) It's not about Furgal, the point is that the central government is deeply fucked. .b to the people, and the system has long since rotted away and is eating itself. The new protege of the Liberal Democratic Party is generally a song))))) Furgal, too, as a governor (according to some publications) is also not ice.
        5. Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 July 2020 09: 09 New
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          I did not say that the central government is white and fluffy. I just try to maintain objectivity, because if you listen to the locals, then the central government only saws, but takes out, and the regions are cut from bread to water.
          But it doesn't work that way. Just as in the regions there cannot be all the polls good, so in Moscow there cannot be all the polls bad.
          Any system is imperfect from the start, and any system begins to degrade over time.
          The union, for all its undoubted merits, still did not stand the test of time. And it does not matter at all, due to the malicious intent of external and internal enemies, or due to that very natural degradation and unwillingness to transform in accordance with the changing geopolitical and technological situation.
          You will not blame the manufacturers of car brake pads for sabotage, because the latter wear out over time and require replacement.
        6. Dizel200 31 July 2020 11: 15 New
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          The example with the pads is unsuccessful, I think)) If the pads wear out, then we do not buy more pads from this manufacturer. It is not so with the authorities, it does not work. This system is a mirror image of the Soviet system, only it has more corrupt officials and outright bandits and no one is responsible for anything)) Furgal is an example by the way. Here is why, when he was arrested, there was a reasonable question, how did he get into power? Moreover, for such a position, with access to state secrets. Where were the FSB supposed to check (??) his pedigree up to the 7th generation? The question was quietly leaked, now there is peace and quiet, there are no questions to the security officials)))) Then what is going on in the upper echelon?
  • Sergej1972 1 August 2020 22: 08 New
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    Federal taxes in any normal federation go to the federal budget, regardless of the opinion of the governors and mayors. This is normal practice. How will the governor leave too much money in the region? There is the Tax Code, everything is spelled out there.
  • Financier 3 August 2020 00: 23 New
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    Quote: Arlen
    crumbs come back

    this is called regional subsidies wassat
  • Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 10: 37 New
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    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    They were also firmly convinced that as soon as they got rid of the oppression of Moscow, they would heal like that!
    We got rid of it. Have you got it?

    You misplaced the punctuation marks:
    Got rid of? Have you got it?
    Here you and others like you, take the source:
    http://bujet.ru/article/396309.php
    And you quickly and quickly explain to us why 249 rubles are relied on a resident of the East European Plain per year, while residents of Siberia and the Far East are content with amounts of 700 rubles (Omsk) - 47 rubles (Amur Region) ... wassat
    True, there are exceptions in the form of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug (809 rubles) ... But this, in all likelihood, is the merit of ex-governor Roman Abramovich ... wassat
    Something that generates profit and is not registered offshore is registered in Moscow (the location of the head offices of local enterprises and provincial headaches) wassat
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 30 July 2020 10: 48 New
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      And you quickly and quickly explain to us why 249 rubles are relied on a resident of the East European Plain per year, while residents of Siberia and the Far East are content with amounts of 700 rubles (Omsk) - 47 rubles (Amur Region) ...
      True, there are exceptions in the form of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug (809 rubles) ... But this, in all likelihood, is the merit of ex-governor Roman Abramovich ...

      The closer to the center, the easier it is to control. And the further - the more the temptation to self-manipulate the local authorities.
      So isn't it more logical to ask such questions to local authorities?
      You brought the data of official statistics? In which gray, black cash, the shadow economy of the regions is not taken into account.
      And what is the fault of the Center? What does not impose financial discipline, including discipline with an iron hand?
      So you will immediately begin to be indignant, why the hell does Moscow get involved in the affairs of the regions, right?
      That is, in your opinion, Moscow bears all responsibility for what is happening in the regions, but absolutely all the benefits should remain in place.

      You are strange people.
      Moscow is to blame for everything that is bad in Russia, and everything that is good is not its merit.
      Very convenient, but not very smart.
  • Voyager 30 July 2020 09: 26 New
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    Moscow is a city called Moscow. You should cover your mouth, revolutionary.
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      Quote: Voyager
      Moscow is a city called Moscow. You should cover your mouth, revolutionary.

      Uh-huh, from 1:29
      Quote: Voyager
      You would cover your mouth

      You will be covered by these, staple.
      1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 53 New
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        Moscow is a city called Moscow. You should cover your mouth, revolutionary.

        Uh-huh, from 1:29


        Dear, you first pay off the national debt and then teach the Russians how to live.
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          Quote: Olezhek
          Dear, you first pay off the national debt and then teach the Russians how to live.

          Whose government debt do you propose to pay him?
          1. Sling cutter 30 July 2020 10: 11 New
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            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Whose government debt do you propose to pay him?
            Reply

            Greetings Kamrad! Pay no attention, his withdrawal has begun laughing
          2. Olezhek 30 July 2020 11: 05 New
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            Greetings Kamrad! Pay no attention, his withdrawal has begun


            Again - again - first the payment of debts, and only then rudeness towards Russia.
            Money in the morning - chairs in the evening ...
            Although where did the Belarusians get the money ...
          3. Sklendarka 30 July 2020 16: 55 New
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            Do not believe it, from the bedside table
        2. Lexus 30 July 2020 18: 34 New
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          laughingVidos - turn off.goodPolotriotov, indeed, will not "let go" in any way. Everywhere, now Ukrainians, now Belarusians, now the Martians seem to be straight from the 125th convoy and stagger about. Clinical #natural, tightly sitting on "duroscopin" and giving out shitty "analyzes" on the ventilator. Do you need them?no
      2. Olezhek 30 July 2020 11: 04 New
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        Whose government debt do you propose to pay him?


        I am not ready to listen to teachings from the citizens of a bankrupt state, which is unable to repay Russia's debts.
        We Russians don't really like parasites
      3. aleksejkabanets 30 July 2020 11: 13 New
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        Quote: Olezhek
        I am not ready to listen to teachings from the citizens of a bankrupt state, which is unable to repay Russia's debts.
        We Russians don't really like parasites

        You are not Russian, you are a disgrace.
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        We Russian


        Fragment from the movie "Brother 2" (2000)

        You are not Russian, you are a disgrace.

        I agree with you one hundred percent! good
    2. Sklendarka 30 July 2020 16: 56 New
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      Quote: Olezhek
      Whose government debt do you propose to pay him?


      I am not ready to listen to teachings from the citizens of a bankrupt state, which is unable to repay Russia's debts.
      We Russians don't really like parasites

      Therefore, you are recommended to eat macaroons
    3. Olezhek 30 July 2020 17: 59 New
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      Therefore, you are recommended to eat macaroons


      Once again: we did not ask the opinion of foreigners.
      If you fill up the debts, then maybe we'll talk like decent ones - but for now
      The exit is over there! FROM
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      Once again: we did not ask the opinion of foreigners.
      If you fill up the debts, then maybe we'll talk like decent ones - but for now
      The exit is over there! FROM

      Are you still not allowed?
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  • Boris ⁣ Shaver 30 July 2020 09: 30 New
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    Quote: Stroporez
    maskwastan

    Drunk at 8 am? Worthless
    1. AU Ivanov. 30 July 2020 09: 38 New
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      This is from malnutrition. I ate the last hedgehog just now. Hunger, he is not an aunt.
      1. aiden 31 July 2020 01: 49 New
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        So you can already dig potatoes.
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      Drunk at 8 am? Worthless

      You do not know that drinking is harmful, and even more so at 8 am. Quit with this case.
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      Drunk at 8 am? Worthless

      Tanunafik, it hasn't let you go yet lol Or is the hangover tormenting?
      Drive and everything will pass! wassat
  • Tank hard 30 July 2020 12: 15 New
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    I We are Khabarovsk !!! maskabad in the furnace!

    Wow, you're fearless. Russian citizen? You got here article 280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
    [media=http://base.garant.ru/10108000/d325b0b3851e8704fc6991236dc5e020/]
    Moreover, on the VO resource, the mass media. Commercials and the resource can come. wink
    1. Dante Alighieri 30 July 2020 16: 49 New
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      Wow, you're fearless. Russian citizen? You have here article 280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

      Who will pay for the linguistic expertise? And even then it is not a fact that it will be possible to prove intent, because it will take a long and tedious way to prove that masquebad is actually a derivative of the name of the capital of the Russian Federation. Themselves should understand that in the Charter of Moscow is proud of such a reduction, and folk art is very variable and not always amenable to classification. In addition, this statement has not yet been included in the list of extremist literature, and if it is included in it, the law has no retroactive effect (part 1 of article 9 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
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        Who will pay for the linguistic expertise? And even then it is not a fact that it will be possible to prove intent, because it will take a long and tedious way to prove that masquebad is actually a derivative of the name of the capital of the Russian Federation. Themselves should understand that in the Charter of Moscow is proud of such a reduction, and folk art is very variable and not always amenable to classification. In addition, this statement has not yet been included in the list of extremist literature, and if it is included in it, the law has no retroactive effect (part 1 of article 9 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)

        So you will work as a lawyer, if that. wink And how and what to do, whoever needs it, he knows.
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          And how and what to do, whoever needs it, he knows.

          Yes, it happens, they come in, order such studies from us. So it goes...
  • aiden 31 July 2020 01: 43 New
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    Out of respect for the country in which you live, I could write the name of Moscow correctly. But in fact you are a schoolboy. And yet, you forgot to write that you pay taxes, and they are stolen
  • Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 10: 20 New
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    I fly to Moscow regularly. my organization has a head office there.

    This is not an indication of any production success. You are not the only ones with head offices in Moscow, but “irreplaceable” employees - “out-of-town people” who have no means of communication regularly rush to the capital to (???) pledge their respect ... It is for the maintenance of such offices (and some other what) Moscow in 2020 planned to receive 351 billion rubles. Do you deliver, or what? wassat By the way, the entire budget of the Khabarovsk Territory is 115 billion rubles, where 400 rubles are "supposed" for each resident, unlike a Muscovite who is forced to "vegetate" for 000 rubles ... Such a glorious social equality ...
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Are you surprised by the fact that someone can travel around the country?

    Not surprising at all. All modes of transport should be used to achieve the convenience and needs of passengers. You see, you so skillfully avoid questions about the nature of your activity that we can only guess what your leadership cannot do without and why, thanks to you, this kind of activity is developing ...
    And we are not even surprised that some Russians get an airplane for their movement around the country ... Directly from the hands of a VTB bank functionary ...
    I wish you health and soft "Ulyukayev" landings! yes
    1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 11: 04 New
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      and what is it for? ”the person was surprised how I often get to Gomel. I answered. I don't get around anything. I just don't think the internet is a place for revelation What kind of sadness do you have before all this? as well as not asking you or others how you earn your bread. I don't really need to know this. I fly mainly to various seminars and trainings. etc.
  • alone 30 July 2020 09: 31 New
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    I don't want to go there in the fall. I was running twice a year before, but now it's like that ... but I wanted to go to Gomel ...

    Dress smart, drink till you drop, 100% nobody will touch laughing laughing
    1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 09: 41 New
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      so I do not drink pancake)))))) this is the ambush))) but seriously, it's really sad. ordinary people can easily get there
  • Arlen 30 July 2020 10: 00 New
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    Quote: carstorm 11
    and I wanted to go to Gomel

    So what's the problem? The border was closed? Or is there a situation like in Ukraine? Gomel is a normal city. I've been there. My relatives live there. And, moreover, they live normally.
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      you just did not get involved in the conversation) emoticons) humor) 170 people look for the lost)
  • Thrifty 30 July 2020 05: 17 New
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    Roman, but if the United States were to send their military personnel in civilian uniform to the elections in Russia, what would be your reaction? These donkeys were stupidly framed, they were given for bargaining between Lukashenka and the Kremlin! An ordinary political game, someone wants to put Russia in an impenetrable light, thereby "confirming" the squeals of the West and the United States about Russia's total interference in elections around the world! Perhaps they were invited by the Belarusian oppositionists, found richer sponsors, paid for their arrival and accommodation. And all with the same purpose - "Russian trace" in the elections in Belarus is evident! Lukashenka, if he had not flogged the fever, could have solved everything with one call to Putin, but the dad clearly wants to play along with the West, hence the increased attention to this event.
    1. svp67 30 July 2020 05: 58 New
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      Now, if the United States were to send its military personnel in civilian uniform to the elections in Russia, what would be your reaction?

      Sorry, but SEND means secret infiltration, these guys haven't secretly infiltrated.
      From Moscow, unlike Minsk, planes did not fly on international flights, but they were going abroad ...
      What happened is another indicator of Lukashenka's fear
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      3. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 31 New
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        What happened is another indicator of Lukashenka's fear


        No - this is a clear signal: we have NO friends in Belarusian state structures
      4. Terrible GMO 30 July 2020 09: 42 New
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        What happened is another indicator of Lukashenka's fear

        He was afraid to lose to a banker in a KGB pre-trial detention center, what are you talking about? He's just in a panic. In recent weeks, he has traveled, apparently, half of all army units in the country.
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          He was afraid to lose to a banker in a KGB pre-trial detention center, what are you talking about?

          The fact that in that bank many "powerful of this world" lost money ...
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            many of the "powerful" have lost money ..

            These "powerful people" were not supported then by the Belarusian court (if you "ripped off" them about the BT report as a bank)
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              These "powerful of this world" were not supported then by the Belarusian court

              Long live our court, the fairest court in the world !!!
  • Tank jacket 30 July 2020 05: 19 New
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    “But Russia and Russian citizens somehow don't quite fit the image of an external enemy. Don't you think? Russians? Belarusians? Alexander Grigorievich?” bully
    -------
    And if we consider all of Butler's previous claims to the Russian Federation?
    Recognized Crimea?
    Did you sell discounted gasoline in the ATO?
    Shrimp?
    Or this phrase of Grygorych:
    “Belarusians are Russians with a quality mark,” Lukashenka said more than once. Now it’s hard for the Belarusians, but they understand that this smelly statement is a lie, and their modest but prosperity rested mainly on help from “non-quality” ( that is, second-rate?) Russians.


    Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3006840.html
    1. Darkesstcat 30 July 2020 07: 46 New
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      You will be surprised, but even Russia did not recognize Crimea in terms of banking. All according to gray schemes.
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        You will be surprised, but even Russia did not recognize Crimea in terms of banking. All according to gray schemes.

        Well, if the banks do it, they will be subject to sanctions .. You probably know what a bank is under sanctions. I think that this was done on orders from above .. no banker alone is capable of such a step
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          Well, if Belarus does this, it will fall under the sanctions .. You probably know what a country under sanctions is. I think that this was done by agreement ... no president alone is capable of such a step
    2. Sling cutter 30 July 2020 08: 00 New
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      and their modest but prosperity rested mainly on help from “non-quality” (that is, second-rate?) Russians.

      And the fact that you feed Putin's shobla oligarch officials is normal? 64 billion dollars in 3 months of the pandemic were stolen from the country by friends of a friend. Count how many regions are these annual budgets!
      1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 30 New
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        And the fact that you feed Putin's shobla of oligarch officials


        It smelled like a collective farm ... love
      2. AU Ivanov. 30 July 2020 09: 40 New
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        I will make a dozen of these videos for you in an hour. The revolutionary you are ours.
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        And who are you feeding, didn't you think? Think carefully.
  • Flamberg 30 July 2020 05: 22 New
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    But the solution is simple.
    Babchenko bit his dad somewhere laughing
  • Odysseus 30 July 2020 05: 22 New
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    Well, according to the latest version disseminated in our media, this is a PMC, not Gazprom's Wagner, but IDA. And they followed to Libya under a contract with the PNS (official government). That is, with the opponents of the Russian Federation, whose mercenaries are now fighting for Haftar. Moreover, they allegedly went through Turkey.
    This explains such a strange path through Belarus (these are mercenaries not directly related to the government), but if you follow it, it turns out that there was no agreement on their transfer at all. This takes the story out of the political channel (like mercenaries against or for Lukashenka), but right there there are questions to the special services of the Russian Federation. What is this uncontrolled movement of PMCs through a foreign state? Moreover, with a delay in Minsk for a week. If this is the case, then this is just an epic failure.
    Well, Lukashenka gets an excellent opportunity to use this story for his own political purposes.
    P / S. As for the doubts of the author of the article, they are little understandable. First, he writes that this is not a PMC, but in a stanza further he sympathetically quotes Prilepin who directly says "They are leaving for Syria and other warm warring countries." What to call the citizens leaving to fight in other countries for money?
    1. Grandfather 30 July 2020 05: 30 New
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      What to call the citizens leaving to fight in other countries for money?
      They are mercenaries and mercenaries in Africa ... the fate of PMKashnikov, I'm not interested.
    2. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 05: 31 New
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      this is not a failure but a setup. and in this vein, everything just falls into place. whoever they were and wherever they went they did not violate any laws from the word at all. even a month would have been sitting there, what have they done illegal? at least an administrative office? at least something? in fact, the following happened. special services of the Republic of Belarus detained citizens of the Russian Federation without reason. at the same time, they claim that there are 200 people and it turns out that there are now 168 quietly walking around as they say mercenaries and do what they want?) it's some kind of hastily cobbled together, I don't even know what.
      1. Odysseus 30 July 2020 05: 46 New
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        this is not a failure but a setup. and in this vein, everything just falls into place. whoever they were and wherever they went, they did not break any laws from the word at all

        In fact, PMCs are prohibited by the laws of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. This article is mercenary. And to use a foreign country as a "jump airfield" for your mercenaries is, to put it mildly, impermissible. What would you say if before the presidential elections a foreign country would send its mercenaries to Moscow? They would have sat there for a week, and when they were caught, they said: and we are going to Libya.
        The only difference is that if it is Wagner, that is, a "pro-government" PMC, then its movement was 100% coordinated by the special services and this can be called a "setup". For some reason, the Belarusian KGB violated the agreement.
        But if this is an "independent" PMC and sends mercenaries for the official government of Libya (against the Russian Federation), then it is already up to the FSB to control their movements and monitor them. If they did not agree on anything with Minsk, this is their failure.
        1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 05: 55 New
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          exactly) the FSB did not know that 200 trained fighters crossed the border) who would believe this?
        2. Mitroha 30 July 2020 06: 14 New
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          In fact, PMCs are prohibited by the laws of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. This article is mercenary.

          In fact, a person crossing the border officially, on a valid passport, without items prohibited by law, resting peacefully, no matter how many days, is just a citizen of the country whose passport he presented when crossing the border. Even if there are 33 or 200 of them.
          Or do you think they have passports of the country of mercenaries? Or labor with the stamp of PMCs? For the FIU?
          Did they fight there?
          You never know who has been where in his life, if the law had no claims against them?
          So what about the article - you are by
          1. Odysseus 30 July 2020 15: 22 New
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            In fact, a person crossing the border officially, on a valid passport, without items prohibited by law, resting peacefully, no matter how many days, is just a citizen of the country whose passport he presented when crossing the border.

            Officially, the border with Belarus is generally closed. But on the whole, I can agree with you.
            Indeed, you can go to the complete "denial". They say this is a group of equestrian athletes, and try to prove that it is a PMC. The mere fact that 32 men were in a sanatorium is not proof. What they found does not prove anything either. And you can also say that everything was thrown.
            But there is a small detail - they are being interrogated. And if you think that these are Soviet underground partisans, then you are greatly mistaken. Ordinary mercenaries with the standard morality of today's Russian society. That is, without any morality. So everyone will say how cute.
            True, you can refuse here and use the logic of "fighters against Stalinist repressions" - you are all lying, these hands were not stolen, they were tortured. But I do not think that this will convince anyone.
            PS They were officially accused of preparing for a terrorist attack. But the stupidity on the part of the Belarusian authorities. There is no terrorism anywhere near here. And if they are mercenaries and if they really intended to interfere in Belarusian affairs. Here it would be possible to fight and refute these accusations .. But the trouble is, the authorities of the Russian Federation themselves use this idiotic trick, accuse everyone of terrorism for any reason.
        3. Vita vko 30 July 2020 06: 23 New
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          PMCs are prohibited by the laws of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. This article is mercenarism.

          Legally, this is a security company that has contracts with foreign clients. Therefore, in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, everything is legal and legal. And the fact that somewhere out there in Hong Kong is registered, then this already needs to be addressed to local legislation. Advertising of PMC Wagner on the "Blackwater" type is the merit of British journalists The Times.
          All this is not motivated the arrest of Russian citizens is like one big pre-election provocation in order to show everyone Lukashenka's de facto attitude towards Russia... After all, all these years he was gaining from 30 to 50% of his readership at the expense of Russian-friendly statements and intentions of Russian-Belarusian integration. Now the unmotivated arrest of Russian citizens has clearly shown to all Belarusians the falsity of Lukashenka, who perceives Russia as a "big cash cow" throughout his presidency.
          In my opinion, in light of the protracted economic blackmail on the part of Belarus, now is the time to put the "father" in his place or find a replacement for him.
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            Quote: Vita VKO
            Legally, this is a security company that has contracts with foreign clients. Therefore, in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, everything is legal and legal

            If in the Russian Federation they decided to create private structures of military mercenaries and at the same time do not regulate this by law, then this is only a problem for the Russian Federation. Sands can "carry a blizzard" as much as necessary, asking, what is a PMC, we do not have them. It will work inside the country. In any other country, they will simply laugh at this. As for the motivation for the arrest, let's look at their testimony and the results of the investigation. As long as they are accused of preparing a terrorist attack, this is really stupidity, and it can be refuted.
            As for the political part of your post, in my opinion you are mistaken on all points, but you have a lot of theses there. Honestly, too lazy to paint all this. I will only say about the first - showing Lukashenka's negative attitude towards Russia (this is your version) simply does not make sense for him. People who are opposed to him (and supporters of the West) will not vote for him because of this. Moreover, they, like you, will declare all this a provocation.
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              I will only say about the first - showing Lukashenka's negative attitude towards Russia (this is your version) simply does not make sense for him. People who are opposed to him (and supporters of the West) will not vote for him because of this.


              I’ll tell you more this is Lukashenka’s clearly declared state policy - blaming the Russian Federation for everything possible and not allowed too ..
        4. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 30 New
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          In fact, PMCs are prohibited by the laws of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. This article is mercenary. And to use a foreign country as a "jump airfield" for your mercenaries, to put it mildly, is impermissible.


          In principle, they should also support "the last dictatorial regime in Europe."
        5. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 36 New
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          the transfer was 100% coordinated by the special services and this can be called a "setup". Belarusian KGB violated the agreement for some reason


          Agreement with Belarusians ??? laughing
          Have they ever observed them at all? am
        6. soloveyav 30 July 2020 12: 36 New
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          The nuance is that they are citizens of the Russian Federation and for mercenarism, if such is proven (and this is not a fact, to fight outside of your army does not mean to be a mercenary, you must also receive a salary higher than local in a similar position and not be included in local services) they should to judge a Russian court, and to detain either the services of the Russian Federation on its territory or other countries at the request of Russia.
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            and to detain or services of the Russian Federation on its territory or other countries at the request of Russia

            On the territory of Belarus, the legislation of Belarus applies, not Russia. And you have to watch the Belarusian laws.
            By the way, even according to Russian laws, the citizen of which country the mercenary, where he is going to fight, does not care, does not care, managed to get there or not. The main thing is that he received money and prepared to go (was recruited)
            The recruiter, sponsor and trainer also have an article and a deadline.
            The main criterion is that he does not live there, is not a citizen, is not listed in the armed forces, and his country (not necessarily Russia) does not officially fight there.
            Excuses like "we are guarding the villa there from stray dogs" will be given a ride if the eagles have gone for the first time. If they lit up where - they can easily sit down. Split in two And they rivet on each other, where money and their own skin come first.
            1. soloveyav 31 July 2020 11: 29 New
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              The legislation of Belarus does not allow judging citizens of other countries who have not committed a crime on the territory of the country. Only the USA indulges in this. If they are mercenaries, it is a crime against the Russian Federation and the country where they fought, if it is prohibited there.
              And by definition, there is a nuance - specifically for those who fought in Ukraine in 2016, an article was introduced in Belarus - participation on the territory of a foreign state in the military conflict 361.3 of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Belarus because mercenarism must be proven, and they prove it according to UN criteria. But only citizens of the Republic of Belarus and stateless persons with a residence permit of the Republic of Belarus can be judged under this article.
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              And the fact that I can put pressure on someone is undoubtedly, for example, extradition to Ukraine and life there.
      2. Soviet Union 30 July 2020 08: 06 New
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        What would you say to a neighbor, whose Alabai independently and peacefully walked along the street where your children play .... perhaps: What a beautiful dog!
        1. soloveyav 30 July 2020 12: 42 New
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          A dog without a muzzle and a leash is a violation, and moving a group of citizens without prohibited items is not it (although I think they will show a garage with airsoft guns and a grub of kopanina, they like it here). If you do not want to see these people in your place, accept the law - participants are not allowed entry or make people in the list of prohibited entry.
    3. Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 07: 59 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      What is this uncontrolled movement of PMCs through a foreign state? Moreover, with a delay in Minsk for a week. If this is the case, then this is just an epic failure.

      You just don't know. It has always been that way. Place of collection and dispatch. But coups are not organized like that
    4. The author of the article decided to draw conclusions "hot on the trail", but he did it clumsily ...
      And, in general, I think it's too early to gossip about something. Fortune-telling on coffee grounds is obtained. We need to wait, quite a bit and something will become clear, there will be some statements.
      1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 28 New
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        The author of the article decided to draw conclusions "hot on the trail", but he did it clumsily ...
        And, in general, I think it's too early to gossip about something.


        Is there anything else you do not understand about the "last and best ally" ??
        Please consider the version: Belarus is a state unfriendly to Russia.
        What facts and events in recent years contradict this?
        1. The leader of the Redskins 30 July 2020 09: 43 New
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          It is not clear to me how practically ALL neighboring states have become / become unfriendly to us in five - six years.
          Maybe not a company that is out of step, but Private Pupkin?
          This whole series of events is a failed policy of the top. Only before it was possible to present it with a sweet sauce, but now it does not work.
          1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 52 New
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            It is not clear to me how in five - six years we practically ALL


            For the friendly actions of Mr. Lukashenka, what will you say?
            It’s not necessary to twist your tail with Toko, okay?
            It is not beautiful.
            1. The leader of the Redskins 30 July 2020 09: 54 New
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              And what exactly does he and the whole of Belarus owe YOU PERSONALLY? To stand in a low bow? Agree to nod at any word? Give something?
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                And what exactly does he and the whole of Belarus owe YOU PERSONALLY?


                Nothing
                1. Have you personally overheard this nonsense? Or did Recep tell you later?
                  And, in general, building a logical chain on motivators and agitation is oh, how wise! ... I beg your pardon, how many classes have you finished?
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                    Have you personally overheard this nonsense? Or did Recep tell you later?


                    Immediately after knocking down the drying room, Lukashenka rushed with Erdogan to hug ...
                    Or has Belarus condemned this action by Turkey?


                    well, before the heap
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                    I suggest you find a record on the Internet when Lukashenka met the heads of state for talks on Minsk. You can watch how Old Man fawns on Poroshenko. What kind of ally is this?
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            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Maybe not a company that is out of step, but Private Pupkin?
            This whole series of events is a failed policy of the top. Only before it was possible to present it with a sweet sauce, but now it does not work.

            When was it different? A corrupt jackal has always grinned at Russia, this is the world.
    5. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 30 July 2020 14: 07 New
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      Who cares if it's a PMC or not? The reason for the detention is clearly far-fetched. Yes, Lukashenka has many ill-wishers in our leadership, but if they wanted to eliminate him at this level, he would have already been in some kind of anti-cancer clinic or had already died, like Chavez. Such things are done by professionals, and certainly not by ordinary militants who simply know how to shoot in the direction indicated to them. In addition, 200 people for Lukashenka's security officials are like a pellet to an elephant. I would not be surprised if a certain number of real pros have been found in Belarus for a long time and are just waiting for the corresponding order. And this figure just runs into trouble.
  • Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 05: 23 New
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    The story is muddy, covered only by the information of the TV channel of Belarus.
    Novel! What problem did you yourself want to raise and disclose with this article? The problem of legality of detention of citizens with Russian passports on the territory of Belarus? You write here:
    It is clear that Belarus is a totalitarian statewhere it is not necessary to prove the guilt of the detainees.

    Look around you. Do we have few people detained for wearing T-shirts or being in “the wrong place at the wrong time”? belay
    The purpose of Prilepin's identification is not clear at all ... Just by Zadornov:
    And the Kievite somehow drove on an American speedway. I forgot my rights at home. The policeman stops him: "You are right, please." Ours remembered: "Zadornov said they were stupid!" - and gave him a customs declaration in Ukrainian. The policeman looks at her like cuneiform. Says: "What is this?" Our: "That's right." - "What rights?" - "International". - "In what language?" - "In Ukrainian". The policeman asks: "Why is there no photograph?" And ours says: "Yes, our country is small, everyone knows each other by sight!"

    Sorry, but I think it is premature to investigate an incomprehensible incident.
    hi
    1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 05: 34 New
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      and that those who wear some T-shirts or are in the wrong place are detained with the help of special operations with the involvement of special forces? ) with the storming of premises? ) this actually needs to be prepared. to approve. at least hold a bunch of events.
    2. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 27 New
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      The story is muddy, covered only by the information of the TV channel of Belarus.
      Novel! What problem did you yourself want to raise and disclose with this article? The problem of legality of detention of citizens with Russian passports on the territory of Belarus?


      Look around you. What, we have little


      Where are you from?
      With such a beautiful avatar?
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      It is clear that Belarus is a totalitarian state, where it is not necessary to prove the guilt of the detainees.


      And someone doubted it or what?
  • lelik613 30 July 2020 05: 43 New
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    Our "sign-quality" must drive the mind into the back gate. He was wild with impunity ...
  • parusnik 30 July 2020 06: 14 New
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    Everything is muddy somehow ... Many questions ...
    1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 40 New
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      Everything is muddy somehow ... Many questions ...


      Yes, everything is just clear
  • Sergey Russky 30 July 2020 06: 24 New
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    he is a traitor and a traitor in Africa ... Putin! how is the union state?
    1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 25 New
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      he is a traitor and a traitor in Africa ..


      Duc, this has long been clear. request
      They agreed with the Belarusians on transit ... naive.
    2. AU Ivanov. 30 July 2020 09: 42 New
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      It's better to ask Lukashenka this question about the union state.
    3. aiden 31 July 2020 02: 02 New
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      You are ready to pay a communal apartment for a resident of the union state, you are ready to reduce the pensions of your grandparents in order to pay these pensions in the Russian amount, you are ready for the fact that your region will receive less money that will go to the union state, you are ready for that your salary will be reduced due to the fact that the money will go to the union state? Anyway, are you ready for a lot of things? Or is the main thing for you to write, and then you will think?
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        I am ready, but only if it is not a superstructure in the form of a union state, but a part of the Russian Federation, say, in the form of a republic.
  • nikvic46 30 July 2020 06: 36 New
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    I do not see among the candidates who would have a positive attitude towards our country. Lukashenka is not the worst option.
    1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 24 New
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      I do not see among the candidates who would have a positive attitude towards our country. Lukashenka is not the worst option.


      "Both are worse" C
  • Gardamir 30 July 2020 07: 22 New
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    What is happening in Belarus causes ambivalent feelings
    Nobody was interested in what was happening in Shies, Dagestan. And Khabarovsk nafik-nafik. But Belarus is two articles in the morning and far from the evening ..
    1. Octopus 30 July 2020 07: 40 New
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      Speaking of that.

      I don't have a TV, so I don't know, but who knows? Has the volcano woke up on the channel "Russia"? Does Vladimir Solovyov gather experts on bulbofascism in the studio? What whistled Ambassador Masha Zakharova? How did Mr. Lavrov speak?

      Or Belarusians tied 33 heroes, and all the state patriots put their tongues in there? Judging by Google, only the deputies, God forgive me, found an opportunity to speak out.
    2. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 24 New
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      Nobody was interested in what was happening in Shies, Dagestan. And Khabarovsk nafik-nafik. But Belarus is two articles in the morning and far from the evening ..


      Are there any problems? Discuss relations with the "brotherly people"?
      Or "truncated good", but nothing to say?
  • Olddetractor 30 July 2020 07: 54 New
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    According to Lukashenko, he already sees the reaction of the Russians, who "somehow try to justify their dirty intentions."

    The author does not beat around the bush! Make public what they wanted to do with Alexander Grigorievich?
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    1. Alexey RA 30 July 2020 10: 36 New
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      Quote: vvvjak
      In the election carousels, the action reached the second picture.

      So the elections! There are always thoughts of one thing.
      Elections, elections - ...
      © Shnurov
  • Roman123567 30 July 2020 08: 54 New
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    As far as I remember, mercenaries are prohibited here .. Putin himself said .. and we have no PMCs "ichtamnet" ..
    Therefore, if these lads are imprisoned, no one in the Russian Federation will be upset ..
    With regards to the Republic of Belarus, it is clear that this is all political fuss before the elections.
    1. Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 34 New
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      As far as I remember, mercenaries are prohibited here .. Putin himself said .. and we have no PMCs "ichtamnet" ..
      Therefore, if these lads are imprisoned, no one in the Russian Federation will be upset ..


      Dear, tired of Belarusians broadcasting on behalf of Russia
      Be fooled
      1. Tank jacket 30 July 2020 15: 23 New
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        Olezhek, Roman 234567, actually from Israel ...
    2. Coward 30 July 2020 09: 48 New
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      Private security activities are permitted. Maybe these people have a license of security guards and were traveling to perform security functions under an official contract.
  • AleBors 30 July 2020 08: 58 New
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    Now I will not go to Belarus. Suddenly they will be noticed for nothing, so now Belarusian doctors will be left without my money ... Hello dad!
    1. Gardamir 30 July 2020 09: 11 New
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      And in our Moscow yard there are only Belarusians all around. Brigades have arrived, they are insulating the buildings.
      1. Alexey RA 30 July 2020 10: 38 New
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        And in our Moscow yard there are only Belarusians all around. Brigades have arrived, they are insulating the buildings.

        Are they dressed uniformly? Don't drink?
        If the answers to both questions are yes, then "Kolya! Call the police !!!smile
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          you can immediately see the "best commentator". It's just that people from Belorussia work in Moscow. no secret meanings.
  • cniza 30 July 2020 09: 00 New
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    I don’t know how Lukashenka himself will adequately get out of this situation.


    He won't even blink an eye and will find the "guilty" who set him up ...
    1. Terenin 30 July 2020 22: 45 New
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      I don’t know how Lukashenka himself will adequately get out of this situation.


      He won't even blink an eye and will find the "guilty" who set him up ...

      Yes, he will have any option, he is the power there. Until nobody overthrows him, he will win anyway.
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        If he does not win, there will be a war between everyone and everyone, and this is bad ...
  • bober1982 30 July 2020 09: 27 New
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    The role of Z. Prilepin in this whole story is, to put it mildly, strange.
    Security professionals openly call him go @ tom
    Facebook, silly statements, he's a murky guy.
  • Mikhail3 30 July 2020 09: 33 New
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    Well, why did thirty obvious (albeit not proven) militants stop by at the boarding house? Don't rest. They did not drink, did not walk, and it is not customary to rest in such structures in a herd. What kind of rest would it be? They came to work, and it's ridiculous to deny it.
    Yes, Lukashenko violated the laws. And Russia is obliged to frown and demand an explanation. But in fact - Lukashenka thwarted some agreed task for this group, so the article is funny.
    But you shouldn't pay these pathetic coekakers. It is necessary to rip off a huge fine from the PMC, find compromising evidence on its leadership and plant them for 5-7 years for disrupting work with their laziness and outstanding stupidity. It is necessary to hit them so that the spray will fly. What kind of genius does one have to be to carry out infiltration in this way - to drive thirty military rams in one herd into one stall ?! Shame, shame, disgusting to look ...
    1. Engineer 30 July 2020 10: 13 New
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      The media write that their condoms were seized. This explains a lot.
      1. Gardamir 30 July 2020 16: 31 New
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        This explains a lot.
        that is, you count. what is this group of consoles?
        1. Engineer 30 July 2020 18: 35 New
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          Rather, lovers of "strong male friendship".
          30+ guys in the boarding house
    2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 30 July 2020 14: 33 New
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      I don't smoke, I hardly drink, and I love the military style. I will come to Belarus in my camouflage pants and go to see the local sights. They will also tie me up - why, I came with intelligence purposes, they will find a pension certificate with a special title, a private security certificate (lying around somewhere expired), a Chinese folding knife (I always carry it with me), they will immediately initiate a criminal case as on a terrorist or, even better, a hired killer intending to stab the guarantor! You do not think that this is already complete on the part of either Lukashenka himself or someone from the special services. Why, they openly arrived as a whole group, live in a sanatorium and don't even drink! And all this in front of the fearsome special services. Disorder. And who is the ram ... am
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        Are you united in 30 persons? Loot is not necessary to clamp! Infiltrate properly! They themselves have one gyrus, so hire a girl from a travel agency! It will accommodate 2-5 people, some in boarding houses with fishing and hunting, some in private apartments, some in campsites ... Greed and stupidity can ruin any operation.
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          And why, one wonders, to settle in boarding houses, if the group is waiting for the departure from the country as soon as possible? Of course, if you followed your version of an operation, it would have been done. The specialists who would have planned such an operation have more convolutions than yours!
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            Well, why are you more and more ... The group is waiting for a trip to another country? In Belarus? And what is she waiting for? A fair wind? The end of the storm season? Reconciliation of the natives on the Great Silk Road? What are these anecdotal statements? In the modern world, there is no need to gather a group and wait for something in a foreign country. Transport opportunities now allow people to be delivered anywhere in the shortest possible time, so there is no need to disturb Lukashenka before the elections. Alas, the only working option is that the work is to be done in this country.
            The management of the PMC is either too greedy, so it decided to save on infiltration, or too stupid. You have to be from a wooden butt to believe in the "triumph of the law" in the modern world. This is not a Hollywood movie, and Lukashenka, who has long and skillfully used the special services for their intended purpose, immediately broke everything. Everything was so, and everyone, absolutely everyone understands this. Enchanting disgrace. But the methods of our government, whose members calmly steal all the money allocated for any "May decrees", and then calmly declare that they say "it did not work out", they penetrate more and more boldly everywhere, including in the area where it is often simple kill. Lukashenka, after all, could not clatter, but wait until the weapons were brought (I have no doubt that the bosses, brilliant economists, would have brought the barrels straight to the boarding house), and simply cut the soldiers with machine guns. Then you would have no reason for this word game in which you are more and more disgraced ...
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              That's right, why is Lukashenka still fumbling with the boys? There are no weapons, no documents, no other evidence of alleged terrorism. It was necessary to shoot them at once, and then give a lift and beautifully spread weapons around them. A flaw! winked
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                "Boys" are mercenaries! What the hell did he bring to his country on the eve of the election! And yes, he is extremely gentle with them! He should have left a clear message for the mercenaries to raise the price of his contract to unprecedented heights. At the very least, the "boys" should have been severely maimed.
                When will the age-old tradition of hopeless idiocy and stupid greed of superiors be broken in Russia ?! How many people can you expose because of shit in your head and crooked little hands? Why does this pathetic bullshit end up in leadership positions with the inevitable sunrise? Why is our leadership ALWAYS not up to the challenge level? Ugh!
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    The second ... The second is even more stupid. An external enemy, in the face of which the whole nation is obliged to unite, and every citizen who wishes his country well, will be obliged to vote for the only "correct" candidate - all of this is terribly familiar to us.


    Haha, look at the history of our elections and see the pattern ... Threats by poisoned rats into the water supply system, "iron on glass", "Chorny dzhyp from Ukraine" (which was not found), "militants" from the White Legion (who were released after the elections) and now this.

    You don't need to be a giant of thought to understand.
  • Olezhek 30 July 2020 09: 39 New
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    What is interesting: yesterday there was a frank shock from such hostile actions of Belarus and all Belarusian trolls hid somewhere.
    And today they have grown bolder and tales are told in chorus, songs are sung.



    Such is it - friendship with Belarus ...
    1. Gost2012 30 July 2020 17: 07 New
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      It is not necessary to smear all Belarusians with this Mr. Not everyone welcomes this chutzpah from the AHL. And, yes, we are ashamed ..
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        The hope for reason lives on as long as you are.
  • Engineer 30 July 2020 10: 05 New
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    Zakhar Prilepin confirmed on his page that he recognized several former fighters of his former police battalion. Nothing like that, in general, former militias have long been gladly taken to various military and paramilitary structures. And in Syria, former militiamen "lit up" on more than one occasion

    Such is it, Russian military friendship.
    I gave up my friends, all my friends at once
    I gave up my friends without batting an eye

    By the way, just yesterday Wagner's status was #imthat and #will not prove
    And why are the comrades not in the LDNR, the offensive of the Jewish-Bender-fascists is about to begin there, as we are assured.
    Continuous questions laughing
  • Olezhek 30 July 2020 10: 49 New
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    A terrorist attack case has been initiated against Russians detained in Belarus
    A criminal case was opened against Russian citizens, whom Minsk calls fighters of Wagner's private military company. According to the KGB, they arrived in the country to destabilize the situation before the elections


    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/07/2020/5f226ab09a79472a1c257e5b?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews


    Don't have a hundred rubles ... but have a friend of Lukashenko!
  • Tank hard 30 July 2020 12: 25 New
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    For the article Skomorokhov +. However, I am always interested in reading it. Although I may not agree with everything, it’s always interesting. And the number of comments speaks for itself. No matter how they demolished the article. And then such calls in the comments rush that it smells of criminal.
  • Alexander X 30 July 2020 12: 50 New
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    Well, while VO reprints messages from Belarusian newspapers, it is not clear what direction, discussing "news" of such quality is a waste of time. And Lukashenka will be re-elected and everything will "resolve". ... IMHO.
  • fider 30 July 2020 12: 51 New
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    Come on, guys, rinse dad. Zelensky will get some rest. laughing wassat
  • Tatar 174 30 July 2020 16: 51 New
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    What is there to guess? The dad sat too long, he takes offense at someone ... No, in order to leave with dignity and give the place to someone, but everything is cut for something ... All the same, you have to leave, sooner or later.
  • Radikal 30 July 2020 17: 07 New
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    It is clear that Belarus is a totalitarian state, where it is not necessary to prove the guilt of the detainees.
    It's a pity. However, all the same I will ask - the characteristic features of the mentioned state, and how it differs from the one in which we are. hi
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    Quote: Olezhek
    What is interesting: yesterday there was a frank shock from such hostile actions of Belarus and all Belarusian trolls hid somewhere.
    And today they have grown bolder and tales are told in chorus, songs are sung.



    Such is it - friendship with Belarus ...

    Did I understand correctly that in the picture you posted, a man symbolizes Belarus? winked
  • Radikal 30 July 2020 17: 14 New
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    Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    I don't smoke, I hardly drink, and I love the military style. I will come to Belarus in my camouflage pants and go to see the local sights. They will also tie me up - why, I came with intelligence purposes, they will find a pension certificate with a special title, a private security certificate (lying around somewhere expired), a Chinese folding knife (I always carry it with me), they will immediately initiate a criminal case as on a terrorist or, even better, a hired killer intending to stab the guarantor! You do not think that this is already complete on the part of either Lukashenka himself or someone from the special services. Why, they openly arrived as a whole group, live in a sanatorium and don't even drink! And all this in front of the fearsome special services. Disorder. And who is the ram ... am

    Why ask questions in this case - it's easier to check who is a ram, or a sheep, or just a tourist dressed in a ball, especially if you have a SPECIALIZATION ... lol
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 30 July 2020 20: 53 New
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      So far I don’t suffer from moronism, but what about questions, rams and what else is there .. "miserable koekaker" - this is you to Michael 3.
  • Pivasik 30 July 2020 19: 19 New
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    The usual transit of "shift workers" through friendly countries with open borders ... fell under the elections
  • hermit 30 July 2020 20: 28 New
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    Could it be that one of the opposition candidates hired these people to make a little noise? They were told: come to Minsk, we will set the task later. Well, they arrived. And Father is nervous now, so they were tied up with noise and dust.
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    You need to react calmly.
  • Radikal 30 July 2020 21: 00 New
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    Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    So far I don’t suffer from moronism, but what about questions, rams and what else is there .. "miserable koekaker" - this is you to Michael 3.

    My dear, I quoted you about the rams - you at least look through what you post. lol hi
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 1 August 2020 22: 20 New
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      So you at least look at whom I comment and quote! request
  • Pavel57 30 July 2020 21: 05 New
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    When will he let them go?
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  • Radikal 30 July 2020 23: 02 New
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    Alexander Grigorievich should still think about how useful the relations of the two countries, which sometimes are unreasonably complicated by the will of his throwing, will benefit from such "operations".
    Actually, why does he need to think about why all the time certain persons from the country of the Russian Federation constantly offer him something to reconsider, why? Why don't people from the Russian Federation have a different approach to relations with the union state? And I’ll tell you why, because while Old Man doesn’t allow to grab the Ozero cooperative, and the Belarusian enterprises that have joined it - may its citizens forgive me, I already call it the old way, in the Soviet way. hi Until that happens, it will continue this way. It seems to me that the author also understands this. As for the joyful, gushing comments of a part of the "VO" community in relation to the Republic of Belarus, I will note that those who enjoy the current state, and the situation of the former Soviet republics, and their citizens in particular, are likened to the collective Hitler (there is one in the West), who achieved what Schicklgruber failed in 1941 - the destruction of the USSR. And this is most depressing. Here, on the site, many, without realizing it, follow this path. Well, and some, well-known characters act exactly as planned in the 3rd Reich, and unfortunately they succeed. But with regard to them, a simple question arises - why are they engaged in victory ... What do you think, dear participants? winked
  • Radikal 30 July 2020 23: 26 New
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    Quote: Radikal
    Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    So far I don’t suffer from moronism, but what about questions, rams and what else is there .. "miserable koekaker" - this is you to Michael 3.

    My dear, I quoted you about the rams - you at least look through what you post. lol hi

    Ha ha ha - spetsvanets, do not make people laugh with your minuses. wassat M-m-mda-a - they will recruit the authorities ... the Ministry of Internal Affairs. lol
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 31 July 2020 23: 39 New
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      Well, is it possible to hear something healthy from a figure who calls himself a radical? Usually they call themselves that, how to put it more delicately, clearly slighted people, like Mikhail 3, who is close to you in spirit. I have seen everyone in my service, usually communication with such citizens ended with their referral to a doctor of appropriate qualifications for an appropriate examination. laughing .
  • huntsman650 30 July 2020 23: 56 New
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    Grandfather suffered coronavirus on his legs and went crazy, complications)))
  • Foxmara 31 July 2020 08: 38 New
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    If someone went to rest in inexpensive Belarusian health resorts, then apparently Dad put an end to this. Now only the frank will risk his freedom and life
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    AHL once again performed "Lyavonikha" in front of the West - it kicked Russia demonstratively in the hope that it would be credited to him.
  • Sanche 31 July 2020 12: 10 New
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    Interestingly, only Russians call But Father AHL. Probably this is the old fashioned way, sometime 20-25 years ago he really was the people's president. The days are long gone
    1. Olezhek 3 August 2020 18: 57 New
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      Interestingly, only Russians call Father AHL.


      Different meanings can be put into the same word.
      It can be ironic, or it can be mocking ...
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    If someone went to rest in inexpensive Belarusian health resorts, then apparently Dad put an end to this. Now only the frank will risk his freedom and life

    I can confidently assume that as Muscovites and Russians from other regions traveled to Minsk to play casinos, they will continue to go ... And to the sanatorium too, since their cost is significantly less.
  • Good dad 31 July 2020 17: 31 New
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    The liquid and toothless reaction to the arbitrariness in relation to the Russians on the part of the Russian authorities is incomprehensible. All day long chatter about unity and bonds. And as it is necessary to intervene, so here the tongues have bitten, even the talented hero of Russia Lavrov and his Masha Zakharova have not yet crawled out.
    1. Olezhek 31 July 2020 19: 54 New
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      The liquid and toothless reaction to the arbitrariness in relation to the Russians on the part of the Russian authorities is incomprehensible.


      A start!




      What is happening on the Belarusian-Russian border?
      Eyewitnesses talk about the restoration of a full-fledged border regime on the Russian-Belarusian border.


      At the checkpoint Krasnaya Gorka (Smolensk region, RF), a kilometer-long queue formed on the Russian side.

      At the checkpoint Krasnaya Gorka (Smolensk region, RF), a kilometer-long queue formed on the Russian side.

      Eyewitnesses talk about the restoration of a full-fledged border regime on the Russian-Belarusian border.

      “The Russian side has just actually closed the border on the M1 highway. Additional forces of the FSB border service have been pulled together. Huge queues to leave the Russian Federation. Belarusians are not allowed to return to their homeland.

      https://belaruspartisan.by/life/507651/

      By the way, it's high time ...
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      The Belarusian Foreign Ministry sent a note to the Russian side with a request to clarify the situation. TUT.BY was informed about this by the official representative of the Belarusian Foreign Ministry Anatoly Glaz
      Read more: https://news.tut.by/economics/694961.html




      Tolya, Tolya don't cry
      I'll buy you a roll!


  • Radikal 1 August 2020 00: 49 New
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    Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Well, is it possible to hear something healthy from a figure who calls himself a radical? Usually they call themselves that, how to put it more delicately, clearly slighted people, like Mikhail 3, who is close to you in spirit. I have seen everyone in my service, usually communication with such citizens ended with their referral to a doctor of appropriate qualifications for an appropriate examination. laughing .

    You will be very surprised - for my service I saw, communicated, sometimes held joint events with officers who had and have special ranks, mostly decent people came across, and appreciated our interaction with them. You are apparently from a young growth, or a generation that is guided by completely different, but quite understandable, and accepted in modern Russia, and accordingly in your department principles. As for the expertise ... - it is not worthy of an officer to boast of this measure, even if it was justified. Who knows, maybe soon you will need it too - nothing lasts forever under the moon .... lol hi
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 1 August 2020 22: 26 New
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      Actually, I am already twice a pensioner and a veteran, so somehow I don’t fit the young growth (although I want to). As for the examinations, as an investigator, I was obliged to appoint them as part of the investigation of criminal cases. Since he flew so, he did not appoint and received a trifling case for further investigation.
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    Unfortunately, the political situation in Belarus is not controlled by Russia, and apart from Lukashenka, Russia has no one to support there, because the opposition candidates are even worse. Therefore, Lukashenka will be allowed to do with these "Wagnerites" everything that Lukashenka needs, up to the point of handing them over to Ukraine. Well, what can you not sacrifice for the sake of "friendship of peoples", even though it is only on paper. The last "ally" after all ...
  • Radikal 2 August 2020 00: 11 New
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    Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Actually, I am already twice a pensioner and a veteran, so somehow I don’t fit the young growth (although I want to). As for the examinations, as an investigator, I was obliged to appoint them as part of the investigation of criminal cases. Since he flew so, he did not appoint and received a trifling case for further investigation.

    From a veteran to a veteran, I regret that we have passed this milestone, in which I apparently mistakenly reproached you, but your comment was not about appointing examinations, but about sending people to special medical institutions - did I understand you correctly? sad
  • Radikal 2 August 2020 00: 24 New
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    Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Actually, I am already twice a pensioner and a veteran, so somehow I don’t fit the young growth (although I want to). As for the examinations, as an investigator, I was obliged to appoint them as part of the investigation of criminal cases. Since he flew so, he did not appoint and received a trifling case for further investigation.

    Twice pensioner - is it a pension in different countries? belay lol At the same time? bully
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 4 August 2020 22: 18 New
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      1. They are sent to special medical institutions upon the conclusion of a forensic psychiatric examination and a subsequent court decision (this is in criminal proceedings).
      2. Twice pensioner - in my case, this is a recipient of a pension from the Ministry of Internal Affairs (27 years of service) and a civil pension (10 years of service). You can also call the third pension payment as a veteran of the fighting.
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    First, put things in order and then look at the neighbors
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    I don’t want the potato to get stuck - now he will again rake it with whining and currying favor with, you know who, winding his snot on his fist. Well, just like a little child.