In Ukraine, they fear the consequences of the modernization of the Pantsir air defense missile system

Replacing humans with automated systems with elements of artificial intelligence will increase the speed of the Russian Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems. Such modernization can lead to disastrous consequences.

This idea was expressed in an article published by the Ukrainian portal Defense Express.

The Pantsir-S complex is designed to protect objects from massive attacks by various air weapons - from cruise and ballistic missiles to homemade kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles.

Thanks to the changes made, the modernized Pantsir-S air defense missile system was able to independently, without human intervention, search for targets, assess them according to the degree of threat and destroy them. By excluding the operator from the process, the system saves time and increases the speed of response to threats and decision-making.

In Ukraine, they believe that after the improvement of the "Shell" will increase the likelihood of committing fatal mistakes, including those that can lead to the death of civilians. Ukrainian journalists suggest that a similar modernization was previously carried out with the Iranian military air defense complex "Tor", manufactured in Russia. They believe that its automation was the cause of the disaster with the Ukrainian Boeing in the vicinity of Tehran.

Comments

[svp67]

Actually, this is a long-standing trend in the creation of our anti-aircraft complexes ... And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ... They have not created such complexes and are not creating them. So that "the dog barks, the wind carries, and the caravan moves on"

[Lumumbo]

Quote: svp67

And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ...

Yes, here these headlines of articles are so provocative. Fashion was taken from the west, as they write, even stand still, Sergei!

This idea was expressed in an article published by the Ukrainian portal Defense Express.

This is not a thought, but paid for Russophobia .. Don't read it!
PS But seriously, I'm glad for our "Pantsir" systems .. A killer machine!

[Vlad T]

The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of the Shells, this is in the massive use of UAVs and ammunition, when they suppress the number of attacking targets or out of combat readiness: loading ammunition, repair, maintenance work, etc. Therefore, the work of the Shells in pairs or more is already a necessity. Also, more installations with small numerous RSs are needed as additions to the Pantsyrs, as guidance stations, for hitting small targets - reconnaissance UAVs and loitering ammunition, which will be used more and more widely ...

[dvina71]

Quote: Vlad T

The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of Armor

Your text showed your complete lack of knowledge of the topic .. There are no single PUs and installations. All of them are united into batteries, divisions ... etc ..
Panziri in Khmeimim proved to be excellent.

[Vlad T]

The division is structurally, but in terms of combat positions, it was meant to be in one position. (for example, planes in pairs as cover) .. You also need funds for mass targets, for example, gliding bombs and other things ... Will release a six for a hundred kilometers. about a hundred, how to intercept them ...

[ul_vitalii]

Quote: Vlad T

The division is structurally, but in terms of combat positions, it was meant to be in one position. (for example, planes in pairs as cover) .. You also need funds for mass targets, for example, gliding bombs and other things ... Will release a six for a hundred kilometers. about a hundred, how to intercept them ...

If in Syria, then do not care a hundred or three hundred, at your discretion, let the stones turn into sand. Thoughts such as strategists like you are not inherent in everyone on the other side. And so, whoever comes to us with musal who is not washed will come over the same musal and receive it. So sleep well, if anything, I will send the text of the lullaby, memorize and hum at night while looking.

[Vlad T]

Something about a 1941 motive in your mouth, like: "Thundering fire, sparkling with the power of steel" ... Kalybelnaya is also similar: "Beloved city can sleep peacefully" .. Only bitter experience speaks of the opposite ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vlad T

Something that 1941 motive in your lips, like: "Thundering fire, blazing with the power of steel"...

Are you lying?

Thundering fire sparkling with steel
The cars will go on a furious campaign,
When Comrade Stalin sends us into battle
And the first marshal will lead us to battle!

[Vadim237]

There won't be any 41 more - the time is completely different and the weapons are the same.

[Ilya Nikitich]

Poor fellow, is Russian not your native language? Well, then you (and yourself) do not torture the language, do not write here. You can't write anything smart anyway.

[Grognag]

Then the question is not about the shell, but about the tactics of using

[venik]

Quote: Vlad T

The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of the Armor, this is in the massive use of UAVs and ammunition, when they are suppressed by the number of attacking targets

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Maybe you are from your "Euro-American" ..... sorry - "sitischnitsa" tell us "gray and wretched" - WHAT "Western" systems are BETTER "Pantsir" ???? WHO BETTER can solve this problem ???
I personally only know one! Called - "TOP"!!!!

[Vlad T]

Where it is written that someone is better than Carapace, talk about the tactics of using (probably enough beer that they did not figure it out). There are no perfect systems, and for the best there is also enough room for improvement, as the article is about .. Talk about tactics of application and immediate future needs ..

[orionvitt]

Quote: Vlad T

The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of the Armor

The experience in Syria and Libya has shown that the main weakness of the "Shell" is the Arab crews and operators. The same as with the rest of the anti-aircraft complexes. Either they are always sleeping, or the crows are counting, or something else. If you want even the most modern weapon not to work, sell it to the Arabs. Everyone who has come across them knows this.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: orionvitt

that the main weakness of the "Shell" is the Arab crews and operators.

Without focusing on, let's clarify as follows:
The main weakness of the "Shell" is its untrained (untrained) crews and operators sleeping on duty.

[Victor Tsenin]

The new version of Pantsir takes into account all the new experience and is much more efficient, and most importantly, we have excellent calculations.

[Orange bigg]

And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ... They have not created such complexes and are not creating them. So that "the dog barks, the wind carries, and the caravan moves on"

The only correct thing is to bark and can, and to tell lies about your Neptune.

The video of the tests of the Ukrainian coastal missile complex ZhK-360MTS "Neptune" is mounted and therefore is fake, Svobodnaya Pressa claims, referring to the analysis of the relevant videos conducted by Captain 1st Rank of the Reserve Yuri Trifonenkov. In July 2019, the former secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov, said that the Crimean bridge could be destroyed in a few minutes with such a weapon.

In the opinion of a 1987 graduate of the Frunze Higher Naval School, who made a storyboard of test videos in the VEGAS Pro program, the wings of the R-360 rocket “are mounted either on three self-tapping screws, or on three countersunk head bolts,” “fly a rocket on them definitely won't be able to. " Trifonenkov is sure that "fastened in this way, they will not withstand the load."

The captain of the 1st rank of the reserve draws attention to the fact that in one of the videos the rocket is flying to the left of the target, leaving no shadow on the sea surface, and "at a higher magnification, you find that the area of ​​the water surface on which the sea target should be reflected is suspiciously blurred" ... “In the next frame, the R-360 missile hits exactly the center of the target. The rocket, now a sudden shadow from it, the target and its reflection in the water also look somehow unnatural. I suppose they are drawn, ”says Trifonenkov.

According to the captain of the 1st rank of the reserve, in one of the frames, where the rocket had already passed the target, "a powerful wave of compressed air accompanying the flight of a rocket flying at a transonic speed, hitting a high side, for some reason did not cause any disturbance on the sea surface."

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/07/27/neptun/

[snake]

Quote: svp67

And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ... They have not created and are not creating such complexes.

To be honest, Shell's reputation hasn't been very good lately ... Skakuas needn't be afraid. Unfortunately.

[lucul]

To be honest, Shell's reputation hasn't been very good lately ...

Name an air defense complex (not ours) - which has a "VERY" reputation? ))

[snake]

Quote: lucul

Name an air defense complex (not ours) - which has a "VERY" reputation? ))

Not yours - is it Belarusian? An iron dome - will it work? Not without flaws, but it works. And the Shell only gets a star lately. Do not think that I am happy with this situation, but facts are stubborn things ...

[lucul]

An iron dome - will it work? Not without flaws, but it works

What was required to be proved - the bait works well ...)))

[snake]

Quote: lucul

What was required to be proved - the bait works well ...)))

Does the case have anything to say?

[svp67]

Quote: serpent

To be honest, Shell's reputation hasn't been very good lately ...

Don't be ridiculous ... They are on all pages because they are used "in the tail and in the mane" ... And in war there are losses ...

[snake]

Quote: svp67

And in war there are losses ...

There are those who would argue. But something is not heard and not it is seenfor the Carapace to land a thread.

[svp67]

Quote: serpent

But something is not heard and it is not visible that the Carapace has landed on something.

Do you read the news about repelling attacks on our base Khmeimim by "unknown" UAVs? And this is largely the work of our calculations "Pantsire"

[snake]

Quote: svp67

Do you read the news about repelling attacks on our base Khmeimim by "unknown" UAVs?

The fact of the matter is that about repelling attacks by the Shell, I only I read... And about the destruction of the Shells, I'm rollers see... As the saying goes: it's better to see once ... Isn't it? Of course the video can be faked, but you can write anything at all.

[Uncle Izya]

Well, they tried, and they created a rocket together with the Belarusians. Politics ruined everything

[Albert1988]

Quote: Wowka

I smile heartily for your AI))))

Smile, we are allowed, because only this country 404 can do, so to speak, a good mine with a bad game))))

[Ramadan]

Another Ukrainian gibberish of some journalist, and on VO this is a separate article devoted.

[Lumumbo]

Quote: Ramazan

Another Ukrainian gibberish of some journalist, and on VO this is a separate article devoted.

In in ... It would be better if they wrote something about Israel .. There are protests like in the USA .. And EVERYONE is silent!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Ramazan

and on VO this is a separate article devoted.

The article is about nothing at all

[Viktor Sergeev]

Khokhlam what to fear? Actually, the Shell could automatically work from the very beginning. There is no need to fly where the Shell is.

[Fedor Sokolov]

Yes, these are afraid even of their own shadow, and therefore aggressive ones, like Chihuahua dogs, they constantly bark at everyone, because they are afraid of the enormity of those around them.

[APASUS]

All automation is locked to the data that the operator has put into it!

[Zaurbek]

Specifically, Ukrainian air defense personnel do not need to worry. Any AI will shoot better than them.

[Zaurbek]

This is, specifically, the statistics of "victories" in the field of air defense. No politics.

[truck driver]

Shop we lived like this, like in Ukraine to love, not a day without us, Ukraine will have a mustache.
I'm not tired of posting news about Ukraine, I still understand something interesting, but just to give a reason to speak out against.

[Zaurbek]

And to hell with you

[truck driver]

Do not carry your "good" with you.

[Zaurbek]

In general, I am a kind person. And I always carry good things with me

[truck driver]

We are all good until they come to us ...

[knn54]

AI elements will allow:
- cover each other.
- to save (rationally use) ammunition.

[St Petrov]

even if the plane is shot down due to AI, only then will we catch up with the great warriors of the Ukrainians

Shot down a civilian aircraft with the help of air defense before bast shoes from Russia invented the rudiments of AI

[Pacifist]

Should the Banderlogists talk about this at all? Even without automation, they have blocked two civilian aircraft and pretend that they are not in business.

[businessv]

Ukrainian journalists suggest that a similar modernization was carried out earlier with the Iranian military air defense complex "Tor", manufactured in Russia.

As soon as I started reading about the source, it immediately came to my mind, what else can they tell on this resource, except about this case!

[Reserve buildbat]

Yeah. And the emergence of proto-ukrov led to the death of the Atlantean civilization. They simply could not imagine that something SO stupid, like proto-ukry, could appear.

[Imperial Technocrat]

404 what has to do with it? It's gamna on a stick. And the Pantsiri can now work in auto mode

[Dmitry Makarov]

Apparently they decided to replace the slow-moving Arabs and Negroes with an automated fire system.

[Klingon]

Quote: Vlad T

The division is structurally, but in terms of combat positions, it was meant to be in one position. (for example, planes in pairs as cover) .. You also need funds for mass targets, for example, gliding bombs and other things ... Will release a six for a hundred kilometers. about a hundred, how to intercept them ...

there is no ideal air defense and a large number of strike weapons can crush any air defense. therefore, air defense can (and should) be only complex. And the fact that the Arabs roll out the Shell into the open space alone, making them easy targets, is definitely completely their fault. no one normally does that

[rocket757]

In Ukraine, they fear the consequences of the modernization of the Pantsir air defense missile system

That's right, in general. They are now afraid of their lot and all that jazz.

Such modernization can lead to disastrous consequences.
This idea was expressed in an article published by the Ukrainian portal Defense Express.

there was a thought, maybe it was worth discussing, but what is not, that is not.

[Mavrikiy]

In Ukraine, they fear the consequences of the modernization of the Pantsir air defense missile system

Well, you are peaceful people, what to fear. By the way, take an example from the civilized west, concern, not fear .

[Victor Tsenin]

That's right, Ukrainian haters are afraid and let them be afraid)

[Kerensky]

Well, they are afraid .. Why? Stick a Dandy cartridge with target signatures into the Carapace? There are not many goals for the complex.

[iouris]

They are not afraid of "Shell" - they are afraid of intelligence, at least artificial, of any.

[Fitter65]

In Ukraine, they believe that after the improvement of the "Shell" will increase the likelihood of committing fatal mistakes, including those that can lead to the death of civilians

And this is stated by the country that shot down two passenger planes.

[ficus2003]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: Vlad T

The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of Armor

Your text showed your complete lack of knowledge of the topic .. There are no single PUs and installations. All of them are united into batteries, divisions ... etc ..
Panziri in Khmeimim proved to be excellent.

Rather, "more or less", beeches were thrown there just after the shells coped with the attack of drones rather poorly, which is why the Pantsir-SM is created - its main innovation is that it must effectively shoot down drones.

[lopvlad]

Replacing humans with automated systems with elements of artificial intelligence will increase the speed of the Russian Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems

especially when this person is from the Middle East, which is one of the markets for weapons.

[tolmachiev51]

The unfortunate pot-heads no longer know where and how to bend under the regional committee.

[Ros 56]

How the Nazis voiced, they were directly worried about civilians, and how they themselves shot down a passenger plane they forgot. The scum would shut up and keep quiet.

[5-9]

The downed Urinsky Boeing is just a turn of the wheel of genothary for the downed Urins our Carcass and the Malaysian Boeing ... No matter what is the instrument in the hands of the vision, the guardian of the KSIR or the microcircuit ...

[Mityasha]

They did not modernize and knocked down passenger aircraft, the horses paid compensation without admitting their guilt for the Tu-154 ...

[5-9]

And they paid only because the flight from Israel was ...

[Senka naughty]

Bad news for those who are going to fly where they shouldn't ..

[tarackanovaleksei]

Ukrainian ... journalists suggest ????? I had - I would have doubts if Ukrainian Specialists would have expected ......., And here they are already expecting it !!! What is it for????