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In Ukraine, they fear the consequences of the modernization of the Pantsir air defense missile system

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Replacing humans with automated systems with elements of artificial intelligence will increase the speed of the Russian Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems. Such modernization can lead to disastrous consequences.


This idea was expressed in an article published by the Ukrainian portal Defense Express.

The Pantsir-S complex is designed to protect objects from massive attacks by various air weapons - from cruise and ballistic missiles to homemade kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles.

Thanks to the changes made, the modernized Pantsir-S air defense missile system was able to independently, without human intervention, search for targets, assess them according to the degree of threat and destroy them. By excluding the operator from the process, the system saves time and increases the speed of response to threats and decision-making.

In Ukraine, they believe that after the improvement of the "Shell" will increase the likelihood of committing fatal mistakes, including those that can lead to the death of civilians. Ukrainian journalists suggest that a similar modernization was previously carried out with the Iranian military air defense complex "Tor", manufactured in Russia. They believe that its automation was the cause of the disaster with the Ukrainian Boeing in the vicinity of Tehran.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 July 2020 18: 01
    29
    Actually, this is a long-standing trend in the creation of our anti-aircraft complexes ... And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ... They have not created such complexes and are not creating them. So that "the dog barks, the wind carries, and the caravan moves on"
    1. Lumumbo
      Lumumbo 29 July 2020 18: 06
      12
      Quote: svp67
      And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ...

      Yes, here these headlines of articles are so provocative. Fashion was taken from the west, as they write, even stand still, Sergei!
      This idea was expressed in an article published by the Ukrainian portal Defense Express.

      This is not a thought, but paid for Russophobia .. Don't read it!
      PS But seriously, I'm glad for our "Pantsir" systems .. A killer machine!
    2. Vlad T
      Vlad T 29 July 2020 18: 39
      17 th
      The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of the Shells, this is in the massive use of UAVs and ammunition, when they suppress the number of attacking targets or out of combat readiness: loading ammunition, repair, maintenance work, etc. Therefore, the work of the Shells in pairs or more is already a necessity. Also, more installations with small numerous RSs are needed as additions to the Pantsyrs, as guidance stations, for hitting small targets - reconnaissance UAVs and loitering ammunition, which will be used more and more widely ...
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 29 July 2020 19: 02
        21
        Quote: Vlad T
        The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of Armor

        Your text showed your complete lack of knowledge of the topic .. There are no single PUs and installations. All of them are united into batteries, divisions ... etc ..
        Panziri in Khmeimim proved to be excellent.
        1. Vlad T
          Vlad T 29 July 2020 19: 10
          13 th
          The division is structurally, but in terms of combat positions, it was meant to be in one position. (for example, planes in pairs as cover) .. You also need funds for mass targets, for example, gliding bombs and other things ... Will release a six for a hundred kilometers. about a hundred, how to intercept them ...
          1. ul_vitalii
            ul_vitalii 29 July 2020 19: 29
            +9
            Quote: Vlad T
            The division is structurally, but in terms of combat positions, it was meant to be in one position. (for example, planes in pairs as cover) .. You also need funds for mass targets, for example, gliding bombs and other things ... Will release a six for a hundred kilometers. about a hundred, how to intercept them ...

            If in Syria, then do not care a hundred or three hundred, at your discretion, let the stones turn into sand. Thoughts such as strategists like you are not inherent in everyone on the other side. And so, whoever comes to us with musal who is not washed will come over the same musal and receive it. So sleep well, if anything, I will send the text of the lullaby, memorize and hum at night while looking. yes
            1. Vlad T
              Vlad T 29 July 2020 19: 57
              13 th
              Something about a 1941 motive in your mouth, like: "Thundering fire, sparkling with the power of steel" ... Kalybelnaya is also similar: "Beloved city can sleep peacefully" .. Only bitter experience speaks of the opposite ...
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 02: 58
                +1
                Quote: Vlad T
                Something that 1941 motive in your lips, like: "Thundering fire, blazing with the power of steel"...

                Are you lying?
                Thundering fire sparkling with steel
                The cars will go on a furious campaign,
                When Comrade Stalin sends us into battle
                And the first marshal will lead us to battle!
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 30 July 2020 13: 56
                0
                There won't be any 41 more - the time is completely different and the weapons are the same.
              3. Ilya Nikitich
                Ilya Nikitich 30 July 2020 14: 21
                0
                Poor fellow, is Russian not your native language? Well, then you (and yourself) do not torture the language, do not write here. You can't write anything smart anyway.
          2. Grognag
            Grognag 30 July 2020 12: 39
            0
            Then the question is not about the shell, but about the tactics of using
      2. venik
        venik 29 July 2020 19: 17
        +6
        Quote: Vlad T
        The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of the Armor, this is in the massive use of UAVs and ammunition, when they are suppressed by the number of attacking targets

        =======
        Maybe you are from your "Euro-American" ..... sorry - "sitischnitsa" tell us "gray and wretched" - WHAT "Western" systems are BETTER "Pantsir" ???? WHO BETTER can solve this problem ???
        I personally only know one! Called - "TOP"!!!!
        1. Vlad T
          Vlad T 29 July 2020 19: 30
          -2
          Where it is written that someone is better than Carapace, talk about the tactics of using (probably enough beer that they did not figure it out). There are no perfect systems, and for the best there is also enough room for improvement, as the article is about .. Talk about tactics of application and immediate future needs ..
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 29 July 2020 20: 30
        18
        Quote: Vlad T
        The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of the Armor

        The experience in Syria and Libya has shown that the main weakness of the "Shell" is the Arab crews and operators. The same as with the rest of the anti-aircraft complexes. Either they are always sleeping, or the crows are counting, or something else. If you want even the most modern weapon not to work, sell it to the Arabs. Everyone who has come across them knows this.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 03: 04
          +3
          Quote: orionvitt
          that the main weakness of the "Shell" is the Arab crews and operators.

          Without focusing on, let's clarify as follows:
          The main weakness of the "Shell" is its untrained (untrained) crews and operators sleeping on duty.
          yes
      4. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin 29 July 2020 20: 49
        +3
        The new version of Pantsir takes into account all the new experience and is much more efficient, and most importantly, we have excellent calculations.
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 29 July 2020 18: 58
      0
      And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ... They have not created such complexes and are not creating them. So that "the dog barks, the wind carries, and the caravan moves on"


      The only correct thing is to bark and can, and to tell lies about your Neptune.
      The video of the tests of the Ukrainian coastal missile complex ZhK-360MTS "Neptune" is mounted and therefore is fake, Svobodnaya Pressa claims, referring to the analysis of the relevant videos conducted by Captain 1st Rank of the Reserve Yuri Trifonenkov. In July 2019, the former secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov, said that the Crimean bridge could be destroyed in a few minutes with such a weapon.

      In the opinion of a 1987 graduate of the Frunze Higher Naval School, who made a storyboard of test videos in the VEGAS Pro program, the wings of the R-360 rocket “are mounted either on three self-tapping screws, or on three countersunk head bolts,” “fly a rocket on them definitely won't be able to. " Trifonenkov is sure that "fastened in this way, they will not withstand the load."

      The captain of the 1st rank of the reserve draws attention to the fact that in one of the videos the rocket is flying to the left of the target, leaving no shadow on the sea surface, and "at a higher magnification, you find that the area of ​​the water surface on which the sea target should be reflected is suspiciously blurred" ... “In the next frame, the R-360 missile hits exactly the center of the target. The rocket, now a sudden shadow from it, the target and its reflection in the water also look somehow unnatural. I suppose they are drawn, ”says Trifonenkov.

      According to the captain of the 1st rank of the reserve, in one of the frames, where the rocket had already passed the target, "a powerful wave of compressed air accompanying the flight of a rocket flying at a transonic speed, hitting a high side, for some reason did not cause any disturbance on the sea surface."

      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2020/07/27/neptun/
    4. snake
      snake 29 July 2020 20: 15
      22 th
      Quote: svp67
      And the Ukrainians, let them say what they want ... They have not created and are not creating such complexes.

      To be honest, Shell's reputation hasn't been very good lately ... Skakuas needn't be afraid. Unfortunately.
      1. lucul
        lucul 29 July 2020 21: 19
        +7
        To be honest, Shell's reputation hasn't been very good lately ...

        Name an air defense complex (not ours) - which has a "VERY" reputation? ))
        1. snake
          snake 29 July 2020 21: 26
          19 th
          Quote: lucul
          Name an air defense complex (not ours) - which has a "VERY" reputation? ))

          Not yours - is it Belarusian? An iron dome - will it work? Not without flaws, but it works. And the Shell only gets a star lately. Do not think that I am happy with this situation, but facts are stubborn things ...
          1. lucul
            lucul 29 July 2020 21: 27
            +5
            An iron dome - will it work? Not without flaws, but it works

            What was required to be proved - the bait works well ...)))
            1. snake
              snake 29 July 2020 21: 35
              11 th
              Quote: lucul
              What was required to be proved - the bait works well ...)))

              Does the case have anything to say?
      2. svp67
        svp67 29 July 2020 21: 23
        +3
        Quote: serpent
        To be honest, Shell's reputation hasn't been very good lately ...

        Don't be ridiculous ... They are on all pages because they are used "in the tail and in the mane" ... And in war there are losses ...
        1. snake
          snake 29 July 2020 21: 41
          13 th
          Quote: svp67
          And in war there are losses ...

          There are those who would argue. But something is not heard and not it is seenfor the Carapace to land a thread.
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 July 2020 05: 40
            +3
            Quote: serpent
            But something is not heard and it is not visible that the Carapace has landed on something.

            Do you read the news about repelling attacks on our base Khmeimim by "unknown" UAVs? And this is largely the work of our calculations "Pantsire"
            1. snake
              snake 5 August 2020 11: 31
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Do you read the news about repelling attacks on our base Khmeimim by "unknown" UAVs?

              The fact of the matter is that about repelling attacks by the Shell, I only I read... And about the destruction of the Shells, I'm rollers see... As the saying goes: it's better to see once ... Isn't it? Of course the video can be faked, but you can write anything at all.
    5. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 29 July 2020 21: 09
      +1
      Well, they tried, and they created a rocket together with the Belarusians. Politics ruined everything
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      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 30 July 2020 00: 22
        +1
        Quote: Wowka
        I smile heartily for your AI))))

        Smile, we are allowed, because only this country 404 can do, so to speak, a good mine with a bad game))))
  2. Ramadan
    Ramadan 29 July 2020 18: 05
    12
    Another Ukrainian gibberish of some journalist, and on VO this is a separate article devoted.
    1. Lumumbo
      Lumumbo 29 July 2020 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: Ramazan
      Another Ukrainian gibberish of some journalist, and on VO this is a separate article devoted.

      In in ... It would be better if they wrote something about Israel .. There are protests like in the USA .. And EVERYONE is silent!
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    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 29 July 2020 18: 48
      +1
      Quote: Ramazan
      and on VO this is a separate article devoted.


      The article is about nothing at all
  3. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 29 July 2020 18: 14
    +3
    Khokhlam what to fear? Actually, the Shell could automatically work from the very beginning. There is no need to fly where the Shell is.
  4. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 29 July 2020 18: 15
    +3
    Yes, these are afraid even of their own shadow, and therefore aggressive ones, like Chihuahua dogs, they constantly bark at everyone, because they are afraid of the enormity of those around them.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 29 July 2020 18: 31
    +3
    All automation is locked to the data that the operator has put into it!
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 July 2020 18: 33
    +1
    Specifically, Ukrainian air defense personnel do not need to worry. Any AI will shoot better than them.
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      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 July 2020 03: 43
        0
        This is, specifically, the statistics of "victories" in the field of air defense. No politics.
        1. truck driver
          truck driver 30 July 2020 16: 35
          -1
          Shop we lived like this, like in Ukraine to love, not a day without us, Ukraine will have a mustache.
          I'm not tired of posting news about Ukraine, I still understand something interesting, but just to give a reason to speak out against.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 30 July 2020 22: 47
            -1
            And to hell with you
            1. truck driver
              truck driver 31 July 2020 00: 34
              0
              Do not carry your "good" with you.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 31 July 2020 07: 16
                0
                In general, I am a kind person. And I always carry good things with me
                1. truck driver
                  truck driver 31 July 2020 15: 32
                  0
                  We are all good until they come to us ...
  7. knn54
    knn54 29 July 2020 18: 38
    +1
    AI elements will allow:
    - cover each other.
    - to save (rationally use) ammunition.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 29 July 2020 18: 41
      -1
      even if the plane is shot down due to AI, only then will we catch up with the great warriors of the Ukrainians

      Shot down a civilian aircraft with the help of air defense before bast shoes from Russia invented the rudiments of AI
  8. Pacifist
    Pacifist 29 July 2020 18: 54
    +2
    Should the Banderlogists talk about this at all? Even without automation, they have blocked two civilian aircraft and pretend that they are not in business.
  9. businessv
    businessv 29 July 2020 19: 06
    +4
    Ukrainian journalists suggest that a similar modernization was carried out earlier with the Iranian military air defense complex "Tor", manufactured in Russia.
    As soon as I started reading about the source, it immediately came to my mind, what else can they tell on this resource, except about this case!
  10. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 29 July 2020 19: 08
    +2
    Yeah. And the emergence of proto-ukrov led to the death of the Atlantean civilization. They simply could not imagine that something SO stupid, like proto-ukry, could appear.
  11. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 29 July 2020 19: 25
    +1
    404 what has to do with it? It's gamna on a stick. And the Pantsiri can now work in auto mode
  12. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 29 July 2020 19: 35
    -2
    Apparently they decided to replace the slow-moving Arabs and Negroes with an automated fire system.
  13. Klingon
    Klingon 29 July 2020 19: 41
    +3
    Quote: Vlad T
    The division is structurally, but in terms of combat positions, it was meant to be in one position. (for example, planes in pairs as cover) .. You also need funds for mass targets, for example, gliding bombs and other things ... Will release a six for a hundred kilometers. about a hundred, how to intercept them ...

    there is no ideal air defense and a large number of strike weapons can crush any air defense. therefore, air defense can (and should) be only complex. And the fact that the Arabs roll out the Shell into the open space alone, making them easy targets, is definitely completely their fault. no one normally does that
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 29 July 2020 20: 30
    +1
    In Ukraine, they fear the consequences of the modernization of the Pantsir air defense missile system

    That's right, in general. They are now afraid of their lot and all that jazz.
    Such modernization can lead to disastrous consequences.
    This idea was expressed in an article published by the Ukrainian portal Defense Express.

    there was a thought, maybe it was worth discussing, but what is not, that is not.
  15. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 July 2020 20: 41
    +1
    In Ukraine, they fear the consequences of the modernization of the Pantsir air defense missile system
    Well, you are peaceful people, what to fear. By the way, take an example from the civilized west, concern, not fear crying .
  16. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 29 July 2020 20: 46
    +1
    That's right, Ukrainian haters are afraid and let them be afraid)
  17. Kerensky
    Kerensky 29 July 2020 21: 48
    0
    Well, they are afraid .. Why? Stick a Dandy cartridge with target signatures into the Carapace? There are not many goals for the complex.
  18. iouris
    iouris 30 July 2020 00: 13
    +1
    They are not afraid of "Shell" - they are afraid of intelligence, at least artificial, of any.
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  20. Fitter65
    Fitter65 30 July 2020 00: 48
    +1
    In Ukraine, they believe that after the improvement of the "Shell" will increase the likelihood of committing fatal mistakes, including those that can lead to the death of civilians

    And this is stated by the country that shot down two passenger planes.
  21. ficus2003
    ficus2003 30 July 2020 01: 30
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    Quote: Vlad T
    The experience in Syria showed the weak sides of Armor

    Your text showed your complete lack of knowledge of the topic .. There are no single PUs and installations. All of them are united into batteries, divisions ... etc ..
    Panziri in Khmeimim proved to be excellent.

    Rather, "more or less", beeches were thrown there just after the shells coped with the attack of drones rather poorly, which is why the Pantsir-SM is created - its main innovation is that it must effectively shoot down drones.
  22. lopvlad
    lopvlad 30 July 2020 04: 12
    0
    Replacing humans with automated systems with elements of artificial intelligence will increase the speed of the Russian Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems


    especially when this person is from the Middle East, which is one of the markets for weapons.
  23. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 30 July 2020 04: 53
    0
    The unfortunate pot-heads no longer know where and how to bend under the regional committee.
  24. Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 July 2020 06: 09
    0
    How the Nazis voiced, they were directly worried about civilians, and how they themselves shot down a passenger plane they forgot. The scum would shut up and keep quiet.
  25. 5-9
    5-9 30 July 2020 06: 39
    0
    The downed Urinsky Boeing is just a turn of the wheel of genothary for the downed Urins our Carcass and the Malaysian Boeing ... No matter what is the instrument in the hands of the vision, the guardian of the KSIR or the microcircuit ...
    1. Mityasha
      Mityasha 30 July 2020 07: 34
      0
      They did not modernize and knocked down passenger aircraft, the horses paid compensation without admitting their guilt for the Tu-154 ...
      1. 5-9
        5-9 30 July 2020 08: 16
        0
        And they paid only because the flight from Israel was ...
  26. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 30 July 2020 19: 20
    0
    Bad news for those who are going to fly where they shouldn't ..
  27. tarackanovaleksei
    tarackanovaleksei 30 July 2020 20: 34
    0
    Ukrainian ... journalists suggest ????? I had - I would have doubts if Ukrainian Specialists would have expected ......., And here they are already expecting it !!! What is it for????