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Turkey produced F-35 components after it was dropped from the program

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The Turkish industry continued to produce components for the fifth-generation American F-35 fighters, even after the United States excluded Ankara from the program. Components produced by Turkey are critical to the creation of new aircraft.


This was stated by Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar at a conference organized in Washington by the non-profit Turkish Heritage Organization. Akar's speech was broadcast on Twitter by the Turkish Defense Ministry.

The program of cooperation between Washington and Ankara for the production of the latest fighters was curtailed after the purchase by the Turks of the Russian S-400 air defense systems. According to Hulusi Akar, despite the closure of the program and the coronavirus pandemic, Ankara continued to produce F-35 components. The minister believes that Turkey's exclusion from the program was unfair.

He also announced his readiness to address Washington's concerns that Ankara is simultaneously acquiring American F-35 fighters and Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. Hulusi Akar drew attention to the fact that the safety of new aircraft is as important for Turkey as it is for the United States, because Ankara is not only a client of the fighter aircraft program, but also its partner.
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  1. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 29 July 2020 16: 23 New
    +3
    Turkey will produce components at least until the end of the year, for some components there is no one to replace them. The head of Lockheed Martin spoke about this. Everyone is waiting for November, there will be a final decision.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 29 July 2020 16: 32 New
      +2
      So, the Yankees themselves screwed up, they gave Turkey the opportunity to produce even the key elements of the F35 airframe, and now their replacement can lead to a rise in the price of the finished aircraft. So, perhaps, next year, the Turks will also produce some of the components for Ф35.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 29 July 2020 16: 40 New
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        Politics and business should not be confused, if they do not find someone cheaper at the same production rate, Turkey will be left. I think at the end of this, early next year, there will be a complex deal between Turkey and the United States, where they will be returned to the F35 program, the C400 will be sent for storage, and a number of trade and arms deals will be concluded.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 29 July 2020 16: 54 New
          +2
          Citizen, so the United States constantly confuses politics and business, and nothing terrible happens for them! Now they have found money, and bought for themselves 6 or 8 f35, in fact Turkish, however, 24 more aircraft built specifically for the Turks have been put on special storage, the Congress does not want to give money for their redemption in the next 2 years, because they are not satisfied that the planes are not sold to the same Turkey, and the money will have to be for those 8 aircraft, almost a billion dollars to return to Turkey! In addition, the United States expelled the Turks from the f35 production program, and in fact there was a signing of a contract for the purchase of up to 100 f35 by Turkey! The United States will not annul the contract unilaterally, and the Turks will naturally refuse to tear it apart! And on good, but with the payment of compensation, they will not disperse, because the United States does not burn with the desire of Turkey to give an advance payment even for 8 cars! So, Erdogad can seriously shake the nerves of the United States, and he will still be at a loss, because a quarrel with the Turks is one thing, and the severance of military ties between the countries of one military bloc is quite another!
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 29 July 2020 17: 01 New
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            For the United States, politics and wars are the way to promote business interests, they do not confuse them. Business policy, not vice versa. I say that the Turks will be returned to the program, no one even talks about the return of the lard, when there were problems with the Mistrals, the money was quickly returned. The question is how much Erdogan S400 will "sell" for. They are now traded and any deal is meaningless until November.
            1. ved_med12
              ved_med12 29 July 2020 17: 09 New
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              On the one hand, Turkey is a key partner for amers in the region! On the other hand, the intractable, uncompromising and most importantly UNcontrollable Erdogan ...
            2. Thrifty
              Thrifty 29 July 2020 17: 13 New
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              Citizen, I will not be surprised if we buy the С400 back through third hands! The Turks have already created the Altai tank, for $ 14 million apiece, will their plane similar to the F35 cost $ 200 million? And our Su35s are redundant for them! Now, if we produced the MiG35 in a large series, without "childhood diseases," with afar, then it would be possible to compete for the Turkish market from the USA!
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 29 July 2020 17: 22 New
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                Quote: Thrifty
                С400 we will buy through third hands ourselves back

                Alternatively, they won't need it by November.
                Quote: Thrifty
                The Turks have already created the Altai tank, for $ 14 million apiece

                When it goes into the series, the price will drop by 2-3 times. It's always like that.
                Quote: Thrifty
                an aircraft similar to F35 will cost $ 200 million?

                While they are planning the plane closer to the F22, they should have an F35. In any case, it will not be cheaper than 120-130 million.
                Quote: Thrifty
                our Su35 are redundant for them! Now, if we produced the MiG35 in a large series, without "childhood diseases," with afar, then it would be possible to compete for the Turkish market from the USA!

                In general, I agree, but these planes are not relevant to them. They already have F16, it is much easier and cheaper to make a batch, + they produce it at home. A joint project for the 5th generation is relevant, but they will not be forgiven for this.
                1. Thrifty
                  Thrifty 29 July 2020 17: 34 New
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                  Citizen -Altai will not soon, and will not become much cheaper, because there is a lot of things that the Turks are not able to do themselves. Their engine is one third weaker than the German one, its resource is minimal, it exists in the form of several samples. This is, offhand, one example. So the Turks will not be able to bring Altai to the world market for a long time, it is not even a competitor to the Chinese!
            3. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 29 July 2020 17: 30 New
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              Quote: Grazdanin
              Business policy, not vice versa. I say that Turkov will be returned to the program,

              You are wrong there has long been the opposite. And Turkey will not be returned to the program. Hehemon's politicians have already lost touch with reality .. And the Turks will not sell the S-400 in any way. For the United States has long lost its status as a reliable partner and sovereign ...
            4. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 29 July 2020 18: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Grazdanin
              The question is how much Erdogan S400 will "sell" for.

              there is no question here. Erdogan needs air defense that will effectively shoot down American planes. you have to be an idiot to forget how you were almost killed recently. request sell what is vital to you? apparently this is normal for the logic of the pro-American intelligentsia request
              Quote: Grazdanin
              They are now traded and any deal is meaningless until November.

              oga .. personally held a candle! wassat
              PS
              I have another scenario for you, the Turks are finally quarreling with the United States and stop shipment of components and the F-35 production program becomes cancer wassat
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 29 July 2020 18: 38 New
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          Quote: Grazdanin
          Politics and business should not be confused, if they do not find someone cheaper at the same production rate, Turkey will be left.

          That's right, China will make it cheaper, but this will not work for political reasons.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 29 July 2020 17: 06 New
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        Business is good, they can continue to produce and sell.
  2. businessv
    businessv 29 July 2020 16: 31 New
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    He also announced his readiness to address Washington's concerns that Ankara is simultaneously acquiring American F-35 fighters and Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.
    The Turks, as usual, are yours and ours, but this is only if everything that happens is beneficial for them!
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 29 July 2020 16: 40 New
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      Quote: businessv
      everything that happens is beneficial for themselves!

      Should it be different?
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 July 2020 16: 33 New
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    The Turks are not allies, but temporary fellow travelers of Russia. And what they are stirring up with the United States should not upset, as expected ...
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 July 2020 16: 34 New
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    Interestingly, if another country, from those that participates in the program for the creation of F35, shows the United States teeth, the Yankees will completely release it at home?
    1. Zeev zeev
      Zeev zeev 29 July 2020 16: 45 New
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      And in the project there are no more countries with such imperial ambitions as Sultan Erdogan. And for the sake of "the greatness of the nation," like Erdogan, other project participants are unlikely to quarrel with the United States.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 29 July 2020 17: 07 New
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        Zeevzeev - so, in any of the countries participating in the project, the leader and with him the attitude to this program can easily change. For, the plane is so-so-stuffed with microelectronics, but subsonic, with a bunch of problems, with weak weapons, expensive to operate. The only thing was that they created an advertisement for him, and obliged a bunch of countries to buy themselves f35. Look, the same polyakhia, let's say, will buy them, and then "put them under the fence," because the exploitation is not affordable. And they bought it so that the owner would not be angry!
        1. Zeev zeev
          Zeev zeev 30 July 2020 07: 43 New
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          Firstly, not subsonic, but supersonic. 1.35 MAX.
          Secondly, there are a lot of problems in any new technique and they are being successfully solved.
          Thirdly, if the F-35 has weak weapons, then the sniper rifle is also a very weak weapon. He does not fire in turns, the tank cannot blow up, and even costs more than a machine gun.
          Finally. The "weak clumsy penguin" has been actively fighting for two years, inflicting precise and effective strikes against various protected air defense targets and has quite proved its worth as a combat vehicle.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 08: 27 New
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            Quote: ZeevZeev
            delivers accurate and effective strikes against a variety of protected air defense targets and has quite proven its worth as a combat vehicle.


            It looks like rushing, bragging and rampant advertising. With all these tasks in your attack style, Mirage 3 with suspended Delilah and SDB would quite cope with it. Even better, corny would cost you cheaper.
            1. Zeev zeev
              Zeev zeev 30 July 2020 08: 45 New
              -2
              For operations in the area of ​​the Syrian-Iraqi border, in the area of ​​Aleppo and Tadmor (Palmyra), where attacks attributed to Israel periodically take place for the Mirage, it would be necessary to organize air refueling, raise specialized RTR and electronic warfare aircraft, and allocate additional aircraft in order to so that if necessary, take out the air defense batteries on the way ... And the "clumsy penguin", using stealth, passes at low altitudes along a pre-calculated route, practically not glowing on the radars, strikes with the same SDB (the range of which depends on the height of the carrier , that is, the passport range of 120 km this bomb can only reach when dropped from a height of 20 km) and quietly makes its way back into the nest.
  5. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 29 July 2020 16: 51 New
    +1
    Why would they stop producing components? Because it was removed from JSF?
    Earning money has not been canceled.
  6. cniza
    cniza 29 July 2020 16: 57 New
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    According to Hulusi Akar, despite the closure of the program and the coronavirus pandemic, Ankara continued to produce F-35 components.


    "And the mice continued to cry and eat cacti"
    1. Lumumbo
      Lumumbo 29 July 2020 18: 47 New
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      Quote: cniza
      "And the mice continued to cry and eat cacti"

      Erdogan in general sent the United States. Along the way .. There probably China has already sent its suppliers to Turkey?
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 29 July 2020 18: 51 New
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        The level of China's military-industrial complex is half a head worse than the Turkish one. They already screwed up with the FD-2000, they have nothing more to offer.
        1. mvg
          mvg 30 July 2020 10: 10 New
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          The level of the military-industrial complex of China is half a head worse than the Turkish

          What is Turkey doing that China cannot? The Navy, still Oliver Perry, who is 30 years old, and 209 diesel-electric submarines, F-16 only assembly, air defense, produces only missiles for the old Hawk, the tank has not been mastered, ballistic missiles too.
          The PRC builds aircraft carriers, cruisers, URO destroyers, nuclear submarines. They have the most diverse air defense fleet in the world, as well as ICBMs and MRBMs, fly to the Moon and Mars. Themselves are developing aircraft of the 5th generation, including bombers. Transport aviation, passenger. All these are highly technological products. Electronics, including x86 processors, which are not inferior to junior and mid-range Intels. Just China is self-sufficient, unlike Turkey.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 10: 41 New
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          Quote: Grazdanin
          worse than Turkish.

          Come on ..... It's gon.
          Quote: Grazdanin
          They already screwed up with the FD-2000,

          What are you talking about MiG-21UB * new?

          By the way, I personally really like Jian-10. In my opinion, such a machine will not hurt us, as a front-line information security.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 30 July 2020 12: 51 New
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            Outside and in terms of securities, China is doing well, you start to figure it out and the main declared parameters are not achieved, the amount of marriage is huge, there is no standardization. They take the price and that's it. For Africa and Asia it will do, for a modern army not. That won the FD-2000 air defense system in the competition, they began to understand and it turns out that the parameters are only on paper. Such technologies are the same age as the Hawks and are fundamentally no better. I had to negotiate a really better S400 air defense system.
            In my work, I often met with Chinese equipment, in serious projects they simply cannot be used, they will fail 100% or the parameters declared will not fit in or marriage or fail earlier than planned, or all at once.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 15: 33 New
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              I heard about a huge problem with Chinese spare parts for AUTO.

              The Ketai MTUs purchased for the last three MRKs of pr.21631 of the year 3 minium with songs and dances to tambourines were redesigned with a new one. Especially on the first Vyshny Volochek.
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              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 30 July 2020 15: 55 New
                +1
                There are problems with them in any segment. For example, Cisco network equipment, delivered, configured, forgotten. At the entrance, a waste of 10 rubles, operation of 3 rubles. We take the Chinese analogue (Hyawey, D-link, etc.) constant requests for the quality of work, failures, very strange algorithms of work. At the entrance, a waste of 7 rubles, operation of 7 rubles, business losses of 10 rubles. We remove this G, set Cisco, set it up, forget. Instead of spending 13 rubles, we spend 24 + 13 rubles, where is the benefit?)) More than once this case has passed, the greedy pays twice.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 30 July 2020 20: 24 New
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                  Another moment, the border guards also had a perverse relationship with the Chinese MTU and decided to curtail the construction of hunters pr. 22460 - returning to the good old pr. 10410 which is with the Stars ...
                  Two are currently under construction in the Far East.
  7. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 29 July 2020 17: 57 New
    +1
    laughing It's like the former "brothers" with AK, the license was given until now we can not take away laughing
  8. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 29 July 2020 18: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    Citizen -Altai will not soon, and will not become much cheaper, because there is a lot of things that the Turks are not able to do themselves. Their engine is one third weaker than the German one, its resource is minimal, it exists in the form of several samples. This is, offhand, one example. So the Turks will not be able to bring Altai to the world market for a long time, it is not even a competitor to the Chinese!
    There, apparently, a way out will be found through Ukrainian tank diesel engines. I think the same story will happen with aircraft engines - it was not for nothing that the Turks climbed into the outskirts.

    And on the S-400 and F-35, the Americans will make some noise and calm down, the Turks have shown firmness here, quietly and imperceptibly bend in another place - politics. Turkey needs a full-fledged air defense of both the country and the groups over the hill, taking into account their plans for expansion, and on some F-16 and old complexes you will not get far.
    And in any case, it is difficult not to agree with Erdogash about double standards - the Greeks buying S-300 from us did not meet so many obstacles from the same amers. And here it is not about the S-400 as such, the Turks strive to be independent at least in regional politics, while the Americans want to see them as an ally of a vassal like Germany, castrated after WWII.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 29 July 2020 18: 28 New
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      Quote: Sarkazm
      There, apparently, a way out will be found through Ukrainian tank diesel engines. I think the same story will happen with aircraft engines - it was not for nothing that the Turks climbed into the outskirts.

      Yes, they suck all the technologies out of it. The legacy of the USSR is great. All M60s have already been equipped with KAZ.
      Quote: Sarkazm
      on the S-400 and F-35, the Americans will make some noise and calm down, the Turks have shown firmness here, quietly and imperceptibly bend in another place - politics

      Absolutely.
      Quote: Sarkazm
      Turkey needs a full-fledged air defense of both the country and the groups over the hill, taking into account their plans for expansion, and on some F-16 and old complexes you will not get far.

      Yeah. Moreover, it is of its own production. They need C400 as a sample. We already have our own middle-middle systems.
  9. Lumumbo
    Lumumbo 29 July 2020 18: 44 New
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    The Turkish industry continued to produce components for the fifth-generation American F-35 fighters, even after the United States excluded Ankara from the program. Components produced by Turkey are critical to the creation of new aircraft.

    They will resell to China. laughing This is what the Russian life-giving S-400 is doing with the NATO country!
    They already do not care and everyone is sent lol
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 29 July 2020 19: 34 New
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    Quote: dartve
    Quote: Grazdanin
    The legacy of the USSR is great.

    Yes, it is very fortunate that the USSR invented oil, gas, coal, timber, metals, etc. and put it all in his bowels.
    Soon the scoops will tell you that the USSR invented land, water and air. It will become of them.

    Witty laughingwhat kind of wind did it blow? laughing
  11. bulava
    bulava 30 July 2020 15: 55 New
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    I would not be surprised if they buy apricots from Armenians and then resell them to Azerbaijan. Turks, merchants from God.