Who is the "director" of the war: in Italy they spoke about the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

On the Italian resource Analisi Difesa, which specializes in military topics, a rather lengthy article "Who is the director ..." was published, dedicated to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The course of the long-standing confrontation, the aspect ratio and, most interestingly, the geopolitical background of the battles that have flared up again, are described, according to the Italian observer.

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The author points out that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia." The aggravation of the situation on the southern flank of the "Russian world" is beneficial to Ankara, since it intends to show its strength and induce the Kremlin to be more compliant on the Libyan issue.

Clashes [in the Caucasus] break out exactly at the moment when Turkey's intervention in this African country [...] has moved to a level where the "sultan" cannot retreat without losing face

- writes the author of the material M. Molteni, pointing out that "it is no coincidence that the Azerbaijani military were the first to open fire." True, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has a completely different version.

According to the author, the involvement of Egypt in the Libyan conflict forces Erdogan to look for ways to weaken the pressure:

Try to get at least the Russians out of the game, forcing them to plunge into the Armenian party [...] Show the Russians that the Turks are a "prosecutor" in their southern direction, which must be reckoned with

- the author notes, pointing out that the formation of this opinion was influenced by Armenian sources, in particular, diplomatic workers in Italy.

It's all about the gas

At the same time, the caution shown by the Kremlin is fully justified. Despite the fact that Armenia is an officially recognized ally (through the CSTO), Russia is linked with Azerbaijan by close economic, military-technical, infrastructural and historical communication. At the same time, they are negatively influenced by the tendencies of "neo-Ottomanism," which include Baku in the orbit of Ankara's influence.

However, this caution does not prevent us from acting behind the scenes. As Azerbaijani diplomats in Italy explain, Armenia's actions are aimed at disrupting the supply of hydrocarbons through the "pipes" going to Europe.

It is no coincidence that Armenia initiated a military operation against Azerbaijan three months before the start of gas supplies from Azerbaijan to Europe, including Italy.

- explained the representative of Baku in Rome.

At the same time, the author of the material believes that Yerevan itself would not take such measures on its own - disruption of the supply of "blue fuel" to the EU is beneficial, in his opinion, primarily to Russia.

Comments

[knn54]

Learn, signors, history.

[Insurgent]

Quote: knn54

Learn, signors, history.

On the Italian resource Analisi Difesa, which specializes in military topics, a rather lengthy article "Who is the director ..." was published, dedicated to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The course of the long-standing confrontation, the aspect ratio and, most interestingly, the geopolitical background of the battles that have flared up again, are described, according to the Italian observer.

The author points out that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia." The aggravation of the situation on the southern flank of the "Russian world" is beneficial to Ankara, since it intends to show its strength and induce the Kremlin to be more compliant on the Libyan issue.

Rome has its own long-standing "historical" interest in Tripolitania-Levia (the war in Libya 1911-1912), therefore, there is nothing strange in showing such an interest in the conflict where Turkish influence is visible, and it would seem very distant.

[nPuBaTuP]

so you can agree to Carthage :)))

[Alex777]

The article clearly states that the Italians are not clear why these clashes began. And not in Karabakh yet.
Either Erdogan needs it, then the Russian Federation is trying to cut the Azerbaijani pipe.
Confused shorter.

[Alexey-74]

There may be several underlying reasons, but the main problem is the territory of the non-profit organization, neither side wants to concede, plus the historical races between Baku and Yerevan. And the fact that Turkey supports Azerbaijan is not a secret. And of course the Turks, at the slightest attempt, will not miss the opportunity to bite Russia - this is a fact.

[Mountain shooter]

Why are they dragging Russia into this match? Is this fashion? Like Russia is an infernal evil? And they went to save the Italians from the disease not just like that, but with a purpose ...

[fruit_cake]

but what kind of rescued there was, they staged some kind of clownery with cleaning the streets, here in Russia you go to shops through the ritual of putting on a mask at the checkout, they staged a world madhouse with this virus

[Nastia makarova]

soon in September a new quarantine, the number of infected is growing again at a rapid pace

[novel66]

where are the firewood from? Officially, everything's good

[Nastia makarova]

from office sources, at least we will have quarantine in the Krasnodar Territory

[novel66]

well, God help you, maybe everything will end well

[Nastia makarova]

thanks, at my work, even if I sit at home, the salary is dripping, but others will suffer again, some of them did not get out of the spring

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

from office sources, at least we will have quarantine in the Krasnodar Territory

There will definitely be, countrywoman, but I don’t know, until September, or after the children go to school. We are slowly preparing for this, look again masks and gloves, sellers in stores began to put on, those who make Korean salads and other rubbish take goods for no more than a week, they fear that the markets will be closed again. And on Yandex, the number of cases is growing all the time. And the elections are coming soon.

[Nastia makarova]

hello fellow countryman)))) in Sochi, the growth of cases is greater than in the spring, all because of the holiday season. be he wrong

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Why are they dragging Russia into this match? Is this fashion?

Don't exaggerate
It's no secret that Russia has its own interests in Transcaucasia, but in the article nothing in a reprehensible way, nothing is said about them, by the way ...

[tihonmarine]

А

The second indicates that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia."

"Our shot has ripened everywhere." Earlier it became known that Turkey has deployed to Azerbaijan at least six of its attack drones, artillery, military, air defense systems and militants from Syria, writes Avia.pro.

[iouris]

Attention should be paid to something else, namely, to the surprisingly "soft" reaction of the security forces during "interethnic conflicts" at the vegetable bases in Moscow. But (at least) the "social distance" was violated. Do not the authorities (at least in Moscow) and some state and municipal leaders depend on the financial resources of the Azerbaijani and Armenian "diasporas"?

[Oquzyurd]

"But whether the authorities do not depend" No, they do not. Take a deeper look at these matters. They just gave the opportunity, showing and proving, first of all, to the Armenians and Pashinyan, how dependent they are on the pause or actions of Moscow. No oligarch (apricot war) would arbitrarily do something.

[iouris]

You have explained. By concepts. But I got it.

[rotmistr60]

The fact of Turkey's participation in the conflict with weapons and high-level support (read direct incitement) is undeniable, as is Russia's restrained policy. The author's assumption about Turkey's attempt to influence through this conflict on Russia's actions in Libya also has a right to exist. But the conflict near the borders of Russia is also beneficial to our main enemy - the United States. When territorial disputes periodically turn into a hot phase last tens of years, a spark is enough for a fire.

[mace]

It's nice to see such a competent commentary among all this verbiage and inarticulate muttering of poorly educated people

[Scorpio05]

What Turkish weapon was used by Azerbaijan in the last battles, let me be curious? Probably you mean Soviet 30 howitzers, or 82 mm. Tray mortars, as well as Israeli Orbiter and Haropi drones)) There was nothing else there, judging by press reports and military corps. Why then talk nonsense?
What significant Turkish weapons does Azerbaijan have and has it ever been used in general?) And what is the origin of the weapons that were used by Armenia in recent battles: the latest electronic warfare "Container", the latest counter-battery radars of Russian origin, as well as SU 30 (flew over the border with Azerbaijan, and maybe even hit by high-precision missiles, who knows?) The mortars are already clear, the Armenians were of Serbian production.

[the finish]

In July, it became known that the Turkish-Azerbaijani large-scale tactical and flight-tactical actions with live firing would begin on July 29 and last until August 10 in accordance with the agreement on military cooperation between the two countries. The exercises involve armored vehicles, artillery installations, combat and transport helicopters of the Air Force, air defense forces and anti-aircraft missile units of the armies of Azerbaijan and Turkey. The exercises are taking place in Nakhichevan, on the borders of Armenia and Karabakh, in other places in Azerbaijan.

[Charik]

what they wanted to say, disruption of the supply of "blue fuel" to the EU is beneficial, in his opinion, first of all to Russia. We would write right away - Russia is to blame - that there is someone who supports whom to talk about.

[mace]

Yes, they have a gut tone so to speak. They peep from under the NATO baseboard like mice.

[Tank jacket]

The director of war (of all wars on the planet) is always the same - Steven Spielberg, ugh USA. Or rather, the financialintern and the Clintonoids.

[APASUS]

Not too many lines of contact with the Russians for Turkey alone? Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Karabakh. Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

[mace]

Everything goes to this. The Sultan felt himself a player of the international level, he thinks that since he is under NATO, he will get away with everything.

[WOLF330]

Ha, again the Armenian style is rushing. Well, do not calm down)) Since when is Turkey under NATO? Not to be confused with your country About who is currently under whom everyone knows perfectly well)) All NATO members are on the opposite side with Turkey in its current conflicts.

[mace]

The old man, somehow does not agree:

Incirlik was generally an analogue of Pattaya, bars, eateries, shops - the Turks served them in the first class.

[VyacheSeymour]

Incirlik was generally analogous to Pattaya,

Keyword -WAS ...
... And why is this picture?

[Yeraz]

Quote: APASUS

.Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

Nothing will happen. Support must be real in the form of money, training, supply of weapons and intelligence.
The Turks are sitting in northern Syria and pushed the Kurds away from their borders. America supports them both with weapons and everyone else.
In Iraq, Barzani is in Kents with Turkey, and the PKK, which opposes, for them Turkey in the North of Iraq has also placed its strongholds with the military and is constantly conducting an operation.
Well, Russia will give moral support, nothing will change.

[WOLF330]

Yes, he is not at all in the subject. The Turks have been nightmares for the RKK in the Iraqi mountains for a month. We moved 50 km into the territory. And where are these peshmerge? I would have posted a photo here and the RKK is a nightmare, but it's not worth it))

[Oquzyurd]

"Northern Iraq also has its own strongholds with the military." There are already 58 strongholds in northern Iraq. Some of them can be called bases supplying the rest of the points.

[Doliva63]

Quote: APASUS

Not too many lines of contact with the Russians for Turkey alone? Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Karabakh. Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

So what doesn't it support?

[Yeraz]

By God, it's like little children are sitting here.
Any LEADER of Turkey will express full support to Azerbaijan. They cannot afford a neutral phrase, because these are 2 BROTHERIC countries, the Turkish electorate and the Azerbaijani population will not understand neutral phrases about peace and love. And these words will attract, as proof, they say, Turkey is to blame and the instigator means to be two-faced.
The only one who has neither a border with Azerbaijan, nor any economic ties, nor family ties (not counting the assimilated Kyzylbash from Azerbaijan in Pakistan) Fully supports Azerayjan is Sunni Pakistan. And there will even be tougher statements. And they even Armenia, like the country is not recognized, unlike Turkey and Azerbaijan itself.
And Turkey's reaction will only get tougher over the years, because, unlike Erdogan's generation, the new Turkish generation has already grown up with the Azerbaijani generation in the same social space and at different levels have childhood friends and classmates and already many relatives. Let's say this in 30 years at times. integrated more, in contrast to 70 years of isolation due to being in the USSR.
It is better to address the question to others, why the Minsk Group has not been able to resolve the issue in 30 years. Not a single solution.
Therefore, comrades, do not be surprised that from time to time there will be babakh. As long as the good-natured MGIMOSHny in the person of Aliyev may not do anything, but as the experience of Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad showed, they are all not eternal and another will come, then it will bang.
Russia does not draw any conclusions and follows the same rake.

[mace]

Russia draws what conclusions. This is a solid babakh-karabakh. We do everything calmly and clearly. Crimea is an example for you. This is how you look out the window in the morning, and there is a beshka with the Russian tricolor standing there. No noise and dust. Therefore, we have repeatedly created Empires and the most powerful powers in the world. Less screaming means more work.

[Oquzyurd]

"we have created empires more than once" Ashots did not create an empire, but were citizens of Byzantium and the Ottoman Empire for 1000 years and are now "free", for the first time in the history of the Armenians.

[mace]

Dear, every time you are mistaken with the addressee of your comment. I'm Russian and I'm talking about Great Russia. Remember this once and for all.

[Yeraz]

Quote: bulava

Russia draws what conclusions.

That the problems should be solved, and not hope for a Russian maybe.
In Georgia, it was not resolved during the conflict, the result is obvious.
In Ukraine, during the first revolution and with the arrival of Yushchenko, they did not understand anything and profited from the second revolution, and now the second largest Slavic Christian country is Russia's fierce enemy.
In Azerbaijan it is exactly the same, instead of solving the problem, only talks and the result of all this will be exactly the same as with Ukraine and Georgia, or, well, a blazing Syria near the borders of Russia.

[WOLF330]

These fables are simply imposed on ordinary Russians, like Azerbaijanis are so bad, they hate Russians, they slaughter Armenians, etc. An important role (and perhaps the main one) is played by the Armenianized Russian Media. When people wake up from all this, I think it will be too late.

[mace]

You are an adult. Admit that there were mistakes and the Russians were offended. We are kind, we know how to forgive. This is all in the past (hopefully). Just remember that we are no longer what we were in the early 1990s. We are building an Empire. Whoever gets in the way - we will crush and not notice.

[mace]

Russia solves problems and solves it very successfully, so much so that 10 years ago no one could have imagined! In 20 years we have returned from the bottom to the top three great world powers. What have you done in 20 years?

[VyacheSeymour]

In 20 years we have returned from the bottom to the top three great world powers ...

... in the top three ????????? .....- And the first TWO, - who is this ?????

[mace]

Belarus and North Korea ... well, you yourself do not guess?)

[WOLF330]

Not tired of mowing under the Russian?

[VyacheSeymour]

Crimea as an example for you ...

To whom as an example ????? ......
If Armenia - then yeah !!! - as an example to her, and Abkhazia with Ossetia, and Kosovo with Eritrea and South Sudan !!!! -WHO RECOGNIZED ????
KARABAKH does not want to admit ...

[Charik]

Armenia spelled with a capital letter and Azerbaijan with a small

[Doliva63]

I was born in Azerbaijan (Nakhichevan), at the school in my group there were cadets from Armenia, we were one friendly family. Sometimes we meet on the anniversaries of graduation - Azerbaijanis and Armenians sit side by side, remember their youth, hug. There are guys from Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Dagestan, Georgia - and we still understand each other! Some kind of mess is going on in the world, and you are also teasing! Isn't it time to get down to reason, people?

[Charik]

Of course, stupid-man-kills a man because of what-is it impossible to live in one village on the same street-it's not a mess in the world-he just went crazy

[Doliva63]

Quote: Charik

Of course, stupid-man-kills a man because of what-is it impossible to live in one village on the same street-it's not a mess in the world-he just went crazy

the world itself cannot go crazy, someone is forcing it to do so. and these someone are also people, but they do not want us to live in harmony and peace.

[mace]

You are right, but what a long way to go. Here on the site there is an active five of "pro-Turkish-Azerbaijani" users who insult everyone to the right and left on the basis of ethnicity, stir up tension, and virtually rattle weapons. If you disagree with their position, you automatically become "Armenian". There are no such characters on the "opposing" side. In an amicable way, they need to be banned, and their data should be transferred to law enforcement agencies. If they are citizens of the Russian Federation, initiate a case, if not, expel them back to Baku or Istanbul. It is sad that due to several provocateurs it is impossible to discuss constructively even here.

[WOLF330]

Don't bury yourself. What a hello, such an answer. Will you litter with nasty things about Turks and Azerbaijanis and get away with it? So start the reforms with yourself first! As for me personally, write in a personal, I will come to you myself and try to expel me.

[mace]

Wait a minute, I am rubbish about specific nationalities, because I am sure that each nationality has both bad and good people. I have friends, both Azerbaijanis and Armenians, at work I talked a lot with Turks - all sane and serious people. We are talking, first of all, about the authorities and their inadequate (or harmful for Russia) actions .. And of course, brawlers, hooligans and criminals must be expelled from Russia. If you consider yourself to be such, contact the nearest police station and they will help you to leave the Russian Federation. And there is no need for your "Caucasian" things in the spirit of "give me the address, I'll come". You yourself have already bothered me to write about Armenian noses and other nasty things with nationalistic overtones.

[WOLF330]

It is you who incite the greatest interethnic strife here! I'll show you a lot of your nasty things about the Turks and Azerbaijanis, but don't be too lazy and go through your comments. Stop mowing like Russian and choose expressions. Again the Armenian "I" rules. Like shots on the border, right away "where is Russia, where is the Collective Security Treaty Organization, now" where is the police, here is the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. "What do you think you are smarter than the rest? Stop stirring up here, I say.

[mace]

Do you dislike an opinion that is different from yours and runs counter to the general line of your authorities? Well, excuse me, we have democracy here, and this resource is Russian. I don’t break the rules, I don’t go over to the person, I have already written many times that there are no bad nationalities for me, but there are, let's say, inadequate rulers zombifying their fellow citizens and inciting various strife and hostility. I do not like distortions of facts and outright nonsense in the spirit of "we are the oldest nation on earth." It's ridiculous to watch all this, how, after the collapse of the USSR, many republics slide into some kind of Middle Ages, conflict, fight, throw mud at the USSR, Russia, our President, our allies (but they themselves work in Moscow). You are here stirring up against Russia, I was insulted more than once - a Russian person, a citizen and a patriot of his country! And I have already passed all these meetings with your brother. Arrive in a crowd, start swinging pistols and knives.

[WOLF330]

I don’t need to start talking here. Show who throws mud at the political figures of the Russian Federation or in general Russian. I'm telling you to stop stirring up. You are not the one I would talk to with a gun or a knife. And when you try to sell anti-Azerbaijani or anti-Turkish slogans to people here, take the trouble to reinforce them with facts. The fact that you are Armenian is beyond doubt. And there is no need to fool people here about the fact that the Bolsheviks gave Karabakh to the Azerbaijanis. You look funny then.

[mace]

Dear, to me that Armenia, that Azerbaijan ... And I will say more that now very few people care about what happened there under the king of peas or in the early Bronze Age. Geopolitical issues are resolved in a completely different way and not on the basis of archival information. Half a month has passed since the beginning of the conflict. You made noise, Armenians made noise, trampled apricots, burned flags. And our base, as it was in Gyumri, is still there, as you all bought our weapons, you will continue to buy them. And even more volumes will be. That's all. As a Russian person, as a representative of Great Russia, this suits me perfectly. Well, you can continue to fight with me here, considering me an Armenian. This is ridiculous. And it's a little sad, because once we were citizens of one Great Country and such conversations in principle could not be imagined. This is sad.

[VyacheSeymour]

Armenia spelled with a capital letter and Azerbaijan with a small

At the end of the story is putPOINT , а before the union А-comma.

[WOLF330]

Unfortunately, we do not complain about such tricks. So they think they are omnipotent.

[yfast]

Quote: tihonmarine

Earlier it became known that Turkey has deployed at least six of its attack drones to Azerbaijan, ..., writes Avia.pro.

Sounds like at least six aircraft carriers, very menacing.

[WOLF330]

It is quite enough for the Armenian fleet.

[Cyril G ...]

Exclusively. In Libya, 18 Bayraktar were shot down reliably, and in Syria, 2 Bayraktar and 2 Anki.

[Zaurbek]

Pashinyan said something in an interview yesterday. We have to look.

[raki-uzo]

Have questions!!!
- How was the Azerbaijani general killed? It was located 31 km from the border of contact of the two sides. How did the UAV find its coordinates and how did it reach the desired distance? Why didn't he even try to repeat such an attack again? Who, what big power gave the coordinates of the commanding staff? Who did she get this information from?
-Why the chief of the general staff Sadikov has been in that post for 27 years. He also participated in the negotiations on Karabakh. Is it true that his close relative is a general in the Russian army and he cherishes sympathy for ... let's not show it with a finger.
-Why did this staff officer not return the conquered territories for 27 years and did not even try to do anything.
- According to the agreements, Turkey will not be active in the zone without an invitation. Why did Azerbaijan not dare to connect the clauses of the agreement?
Have questions???

[alone]

Quote: raki-uzo

Have questions!!!
- How was the Azerbaijani general killed? It was located 31 km from the border of contact of the two sides.

Were you there? Where does this distance accuracy come from?
All that you wrote from the category "One grandmother at the entrance whispered in her ear".

Quote: raki-uzo

Under the agreements, Turkey will not be active in the zone without an invitation. Why did Azerbaijan not dare to connect the clauses of the agreement?

There is no need for this; we have enough strength and resources.
PS In general, because of the death of the general, there is too much hype incomprehensible ... The general is also a military man, and in all wars there have been losses of the highest command personnel.

[mace]

Difenza's analyzes from Signor Tomato simply shine with their depth and knowledge of the subject. It has long been clear to everyone that Erdogan is behind the escalation. He revived on all fronts: Libya, Syria, Kurdistan, Cyprus, the Caucasus, Hagia Sophia ... In the conditions of the economic crisis, you need to strengthen your power with the help of populist measures and military hysteria. Now our tourists will fill the beaches of Antalya, tomatoes will go and it will calm down.

[WOLF330]

Applications for holidays in Turkish resorts this year in Russia increased by 46%

[mace]

Naturally! We feed the entire coast there. But this tap can always be turned off, and then what will Erdogan do with all this crowd of men left without income?

[alone]

Quote: bulava

Naturally! We feed the entire coast there. But this tap can always be turned off, and then what will Erdogan do with all this crowd of men left without income?

Do you think Turkey keeps only at the expense of Russian tourists? Have you thought why people run there to rest? The answer is banally simple: It is cheaper to rest there than in the same Crimea, where the service is 0

[mace]

Of course not, we also buy products from them on a good scale. If we stop, then of course it will not affect the whole of Turkey, but some provinces will definitely find themselves in distress. There are no such sales markets in Europe. On the other hand, Turkey's neighbors can only accept humanitarian aid.

[alone]

Quote: bulava

Of course not, we also buy products from them on a good scale. If we stop, then of course it will not affect the whole of Turkey, but some provinces will definitely find themselves in distress. There are no such sales markets in Europe. On the other hand, Turkey's neighbors can only accept humanitarian aid.

I advise you to take a closer look at the economic opportunities of the Republic of Turkey. Believe me, you will find many interesting things that will change your opinion about products and about tourists.

[mace]

Oh, what special opportunities are there. Before our military-industrial complex, machine-building industry, chemical industry, they are like the moon ...

[alone]

Quote: bulava

Oh, what special opportunities are there. Before our military-industrial complex, machine-building industry, chemical industry, they are like the moon ...

Well, well .. think so and further ... but all the same, I strongly advise you to get acquainted. You will find a lot of interesting things for yourself.

[Oquzyurd]

You argue as an Armenian, Ashot. After "plastic intervention, he became Ivan Bulava, and he thinks that he is already a blond Slav", telling everyone about it He knows very well Turkey and the possibilities of this country, but his task is different, you understand)

[alone]

Quote: Oquzyurd

You argue as an Armenian, Ashot. After "plastic intervention, he became Ivan Bulava, and he thinks that he is already a blond Slav", telling everyone about it

Yes, I know, I'm a brother ... he's a Slav, like an Aryan from me

[mace]

Armenians, Armenians, Armenians ... my friend, well, this is already some kind of pathology. Of course, I would show you a photo of your passport, but you can’t not appreciate it at work)

[Oquzyurd]

Borrow from the red-haired drunk and show that it's me, everyone will believe.

[WOLF330]

"... will not appreciate" wanted to write?

[VyacheSeymour]

Oh, what special opportunities are there. Before our military-industrial complex, machine-building industry, chemical industry, they are like the moon.

First, compare GDP per capita ... - despite the fact that Turkey is an importer of resources.

[WOLF330]

Why can't you block it? Well come on, the crane is in your hands Come on, cover the narrower

[mace]

So we will block it if necessary. For now, we need Turkey as a vegetable warehouse, a health resort and a warehouse for finished products.

[WOLF330]

Well, what are we waiting for? Come on already block
Write down your Armenian wet dreams in your ancient Armenian notebook. If you're lucky, you will read to your grandchildren in old age, somewhere in India, well, or in Syria to the extreme

[mace]

Yes, a difficult case)))

[WOLF330]

Not harder than yours.

[VyacheSeymour]

[quote] It has long been clear to everyone that Erdogan is behind the exacerbation .. [/ quot]
... well, and further along the knurled: - Syria with Libya, a stab in the back, treatment of Chechen militants, support of the Tatars with non-recognition of Crimea, genocide of the long-suffering first-thrones ..., and so on ..
Aren't you bored yourself?

[WOLF330]

Can you throw off the link to the Italian source?

[Oquzyurd]

"the author notes, pointing out that the formation of this opinion was influenced by Armenian sources, in particular diplomatic workers in Italy." The author himself admits that the Armenians were advisers in forming the opinion, and he wrote an article

[Eugene-Eugene]

Everything is googled without problems. https://www.analisidifesa.it/2020/07/quale-regia-dietro-il-ritorno-del-conflitto-tra-armeni-e-azeri/

[Radius]

So what? We must insist on the creation of Kurdistan! After all, they created Armenia! Don't stop :)

[mace]

Everything has its time. Now we will gain a foothold in Syria. Then you can take care of her neighbors.

[VyacheSeymour]

Everything has its time. Now we will gain a foothold in Syria. Then you can take care of her neighbors.

You are scaring me! - is it really the very chosen ones ?????

[WOLF330]

You will gain a foothold at home first!

[raki-uzo]

If you are so concerned, why don't you go to their aid? There are already so few of them in Turkey that our soldiers have to collect Kurdistan lovers from neighboring countries. Not scared to undress to the point of goal? So hurry ...

[Radius]

Ugh on you ...

[alone]

Quote: Radius

Ugh on you ...

Stripped it, most likely in order to make sure that there are no explosives on it ... some Kurds commit self-detonation when they are captured.

[mace]

And this is a professional Turkish army fighter? Heck...

[All the memories]

Russia will not leave Armenia because of Iran. The Iranians are also exploiting Gyumri against NATO and Israel. Assuming NATO collapses soon. The Israeli factor remains. But he is nothing without NATO. In general, let's see what will come of it

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vsepomni

The Israeli factor remains. But he is nothing without NATO.

Obviously, you shouldn't say that because there is nuclear weapons, and the Air Force is better than all NATO ones. Although there are enough slippery questions about the Israeli Armed Forces.

[Sarcasm]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

from office sources, at least we will have quarantine in the Krasnodar Territory

Judging by the OBS (one woman said) the information is already being printed and the passes are being printed, they are valid until the end of December. True, it is not known why we will die off faster, from the coronavirus or from quarantine - the stocks were eaten up in the first quarantine, now those few earnings that were barely covered, this is even if someone is lucky, current expenses, that is, the majority of savings have ZERO. Well, for children who receive 3500-5500 rubles, well, pensioners continue to receive their beggarly pension, but what should we do ??? ...

So it turns out that the past practice, when we were sent passes by e-mail, they decided to cancel. So the receipt will be at the turnout, and there will be queues and a crush.

Wait and see.


By article. The Italians have now clashed with the Turks from here and opuses, remember the history of the confrontation of their ships off the coast of Libya. At the same time, literally yesterday, in another topic, we were discussing the supply of the UBS M-346 by Italy to Azerbaijan, and by the way, this is not the only thing that the Italians will supply from weapons, there are also air defense systems that follow and so on, so it's just blah blah - politics and journalism have long been gone the second, and the first, the most ancient profession.

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Quote: Radius

So what? We must insist on the creation of Kurdistan! After all, they created Armenia! Don't stop :)

The Kurds, like the Armenians, are unreliable ... They have too rich a past and a long track record - they lay under everyone, they all sat on their knees. So they are like that walking woman, there is no sense in dragging such a woman into the hut and even more so giving her a hut. I would like to itch, caught it, tore it off anywhere and in whatever position I liked, put on my trousers, kicked it and went home.

[Radius]

So what I'm talking about: it is necessary to use once such a situation. And to promise to marry ... As it is not in the hussar.

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Quote: bulava

And this is a professional Turkish army fighter? Heck...

They have universal conscription.
In the video, most likely not the army, but the gendarmerie, they are both stationary troops (analogous to our explosives) and the border (analogous to our border guards).

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Quote: tihonmarine

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The second indicates that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia."

"Our shot has ripened everywhere." Earlier it became known that Turkey has deployed to Azerbaijan at least six of its attack drones, artillery, military, air defense systems and militants from Syria, writes Avia.pro.

there in the article they forgot to indicate the Khmer Rouge from Kombodja and the Irish from the Irish Liberation Army

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Quote: rotmistr60

m, high-level support for Turkey in the conflict (read direct incitement) is undeniable, as is Russia's restrained policy. The author's assumption about Turkey's attempt to influence through this conflict on Russia's actions in Libya also has a right to exist. But the conflict near the borders of Russia is also beneficial to our main enemy - the United States. When territorial disputes periodically move

The fact that Armenia is conducting unscheduled exercises with Russia you are silent then why Azerbaijan cannot conduct exercises with Turkey.?

[Cyril G ...]

I explain the dragging in of the Turks seriously as a minimum will lead to opposition to Russia .. Russia does not need Turkey within the former USSR.

[WOLF330]

How to understand this? Divorced, married to someone else and don't have the right to have children?

[Cyril G ...]

So understand. Try to think .. We don't need Turkey there. And you have to reckon with this. Whether you want it or not.

[WOLF330]

Well, if you think like you, then we don't need you here either)) By the way, you also have to reckon with this. Whether you want it or not!

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: KURT330

Well, if you think like you, then we don't need you here either)) By the way, you also have to reckon with this. Whether you want it or not!

As you are at least something to represent in the military-political plan, so it will be, maybe ..... In the meantime, you will carefully listen to what you will be told in Moscow. That is what Aliyev Jr. is doing. As an ally, or a place for the deployment of bases and contingents, you are also of little interest to anyone. Even the same Turks. They have it just one of the chess boards.
And we don't need a war either, because of the likely surge of refugees and other problems.

[WOLF330]

I advise you not to dwell on Aliyev. Well, come on, dare if it's not dumb)) Above the throat of speech pushing will not help! We don't want to be interesting to anyone at all, we will take ours and that's it. And no one will bother us! You have a phobia about the Turks since you mention them all over here. These are our problems who needs us and who does not. It's not up to you to judge.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: KURT330

Pushing speech above the throat will not help!

So you can't.

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Quote: Cyril G ...

I explain the dragging in of the Turks seriously as a minimum will lead to opposition to Russia .. Russia does not need Turkey within the former USSR.

Firstly, there is a game and not without Russia's knowledge it is likely that there is an agreement between Moscow and Ankara. Where Russia closes its eyes and with its inaction or silence wants to punish Russophobic Armenia. And the alliance of Turkey and Russia is a counterbalance to the West represented by the US and the EU. Turkey's relations with Western partners are strained, as are those of the Russian Federation. An alliance between them is quite possible.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: uran

wants to punish Russophobic Armenia.

On this side, you are right, but the situation is much more complicated ...

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The situation is complicated by the fact that you cannot receive reliable information from the media. Since most of the Russian media is controlled by the Armenian lobby. And they pour out all the anti-Turkish or anti-Azerbaijani hysteria to the narrow-minded citizens of the Russian Federation. And for Vasya from the distant Urals, what they said on TV is the law. There are a limited number of citizens who, for the sake of objectivity, try to read other sources, but even on the forum they can be counted on one hand.

[Cyril G ...]

Here, from my point of view, the following takes place.
- the leadership of Russia, despite the hysteria of the media, is categorically against the use of the CSTO protocols in the event of an escalation of the conflict.
- therefore it is against the use of our army even for peacekeeping purposes
- on the other hand, Russia even less wants open military intervention from outside, which will be suppressed.
- well, do not forget about the factor of Syria and the Bosphorus. These are also part of the movement.

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In any case, the conflict is beneficial for Russia; it keeps Armenia and Azerbaijan on a short leash.
Although Azerbaijan has always been friendly and always loyal to the Russian Federation from almost all post-Soviet republics. But at the same time, Russia always and in everything supports Russophobic Armenia. I still have the opinion that the Armenian lobby has a direct impact on the policy of the Kremlin. I cannot find any other explanation.
As for Syria as the Russian Federation, the conflict near the borders is also not beneficial for Ankara. The maintenance and containment of refugees puts a very heavy burden on the budget of Turkey, so Ankara is trying to somehow resolve this issue. As for the Bosphorus, it will never be Russian, not because Turkey is strong, but because the West will never allow the Russian Federation to control this strait.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: uran

and has always been loyal to the Russian Federation from almost all post-Soviet republics.

Unconvincing, a foreign faculty from Baku was transferred to us. The officers told a lot.

Quote: uran

In any case, the conflict is beneficial for Russia; it keeps Armenia and Azerbaijan on a short leash.

Conflict is one thing, war of annihilation is totally different.

[Cyril G ...]

As for Syria as the Russian Federation, the conflict near the borders is also not beneficial for Ankara.

So it was not we who kindled it there ...

As for the Bosphorus, it will never be Russian, not because Turkey is strong, but because the West will never allow the Russian Federation to control this strait.

I am not talking about that. Russia only needs guarantees of free passage through the straits. Despite NATO membership and US pressure. Turkey does not deviate one iota from the requirements of the Convention. What is the point of us trying to squeeze the straits? Even in a convenient situation ?! We must be responsible for the market. T

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Quote: Cyril G ...

Quote: uran

and has always been loyal to the Russian Federation from almost all post-Soviet republics.

Unconvincing, a foreign faculty from Baku was transferred to us. The officers told a lot.

Quote: uran

In any case, the conflict is beneficial for Russia; it keeps Armenia and Azerbaijan on a short leash.

Conflict is one thing, war of annihilation is totally different.

After the events of January 90, there may have been some stories, but this natural attitude towards the Soviet regime became negative after the execution of civilians, but for example there was a case of drunkenness in the duty room, two argued, bummed by a ricochet from the safe, the captain was wounded, I don't remember the last name. Well, in the Ministry of Defense they telegraphed that they were shooting back from the nationalists and got a combat wound with all the ensuing circumstances)))

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: uran

Well, in the Ministry of Defense they telegraphed that they were shooting back from the nationalists and got a combat wound with all the ensuing circumstances)))

Well, this could also be.

[Plastmaster]

Quote: APASUS

Not too many lines of contact with the Russians for Turkey alone? Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Karabakh. Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

Will the states approve of this? This is their cow and they milk it.