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Who is the "director" of the war: in Italy they spoke about the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

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On the Italian resource Analisi Difesa, which specializes in military topics, a rather lengthy article "Who is the director ..." was published, dedicated to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The course of the long-standing confrontation, the aspect ratio and, most interestingly, the geopolitical background of the battles that have flared up again, are described, according to the Italian observer.


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The author points out that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia." The aggravation of the situation on the southern flank of the "Russian world" is beneficial to Ankara, since it intends to show its strength and induce the Kremlin to be more compliant on the Libyan issue.

Clashes [in the Caucasus] break out exactly at the moment when Turkey's intervention in this African country [...] has moved to a level where the "sultan" cannot retreat without losing face

- writes the author of the material M. Molteni, pointing out that "it is no coincidence that the Azerbaijani military were the first to open fire." True, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has a completely different version.

According to the author, the involvement of Egypt in the Libyan conflict forces Erdogan to look for ways to weaken the pressure:

Try to get at least the Russians out of the game, forcing them to plunge into the Armenian party [...] Show the Russians that the Turks are a "prosecutor" in their southern direction, which must be reckoned with

- the author notes, pointing out that the formation of this opinion was influenced by Armenian sources, in particular, diplomatic workers in Italy.



It's all about the gas


At the same time, the caution shown by the Kremlin is fully justified. Despite the fact that Armenia is an officially recognized ally (through the CSTO), Russia is linked with Azerbaijan by close economic, military-technical, infrastructural and historical communication. At the same time, they are negatively influenced by the tendencies of "neo-Ottomanism," which include Baku in the orbit of Ankara's influence.

However, this caution does not prevent us from acting behind the scenes. As Azerbaijani diplomats in Italy explain, Armenia's actions are aimed at disrupting the supply of hydrocarbons through the "pipes" going to Europe.

It is no coincidence that Armenia initiated a military operation against Azerbaijan three months before the start of gas supplies from Azerbaijan to Europe, including Italy.

- explained the representative of Baku in Rome.

At the same time, the author of the material believes that Yerevan itself would not take such measures on its own - disruption of the supply of "blue fuel" to the EU is beneficial, in his opinion, primarily to Russia.

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Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, Armenia
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  1. knn54
    knn54 29 July 2020 10: 58 New
    +1
    Learn, signors, history.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 July 2020 11: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      Learn, signors, history.


      On the Italian resource Analisi Difesa, which specializes in military topics, a rather lengthy article "Who is the director ..." was published, dedicated to the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. The course of the long-standing confrontation, the aspect ratio and, most interestingly, the geopolitical background of the battles that have flared up again, are described, according to the Italian observer.

      The author points out that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia." The aggravation of the situation on the southern flank of the "Russian world" is beneficial to Ankara, since it intends to show its strength and induce the Kremlin to be more compliant on the Libyan issue.


      Rome has its own long-standing "historical" interest in Tripolitania-Levia (War in Libya 1911-1912), therefore, there is nothing strange in the manifestation of such an interest in the conflict where Turkish influence is visible, and it would seem very distant.
      1. nPuBaTuP
        nPuBaTuP 29 July 2020 15: 28 New
        +3
        so you can agree to Carthage :)))
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 29 July 2020 16: 02 New
          +2
          The article clearly states that the Italians are not clear why these clashes began. And not in Karabakh yet.
          Either Erdogan needs it, then the Russian Federation is trying to cut the Azerbaijani pipe. bully
          Confused shorter.
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  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 July 2020 11: 07 New
    +5
    There may be several underlying reasons, but the main problem is the territory of the non-profit organization, neither side wants to concede, plus the historical races between Baku and Yerevan. And the fact that Turkey supports Azerbaijan is not a secret. And of course the Turks, at the slightest attempt, will not miss the opportunity to bite Russia - this is a fact.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 July 2020 11: 09 New
    +1
    Why are they dragging Russia into this match? Is this fashion? Like Russia is an infernal evil? And they went to save the Italians from the disease not just like that, but with a purpose ...
    1. fruit_cake
      fruit_cake 29 July 2020 11: 13 New
      -13
      but what kind of rescued there was, they staged some kind of clownery with cleaning the streets, here in Russia you go to shops through the ritual of putting on a mask at the checkout, they staged a world madhouse with this virus
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 29 July 2020 11: 53 New
        +2
        soon in September a new quarantine, the number of infected is growing again at a rapid pace
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 July 2020 12: 18 New
          -1
          where are the firewood from? Officially, everything's good
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 29 July 2020 12: 51 New
            0
            from office sources, at least we will have quarantine in the Krasnodar Territory
            1. novel66
              novel66 29 July 2020 12: 57 New
              0
              well, God help you, maybe everything will end well
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 29 July 2020 13: 10 New
                +1
                thanks, at my work, even if I sit at home, the salary is dripping, but others will suffer again, some of them did not get out of the spring
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 29 July 2020 15: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              from office sources, at least we will have quarantine in the Krasnodar Territory

              There will definitely be, countrywoman, but I don’t know, until September, or after the children go to school. We are slowly preparing for this, look again masks and gloves, sellers in stores began to put on, those who make Korean salads and other rubbish take goods for no more than a week, they fear that the markets will be closed again. And on Yandex, the number of cases is growing all the time. And the elections are coming soon.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 29 July 2020 15: 26 New
                0
                hello fellow countryman)))) in Sochi, the growth of cases is greater than in the spring, all because of the holiday season. be he wrong
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 29 July 2020 11: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Why are they dragging Russia into this match? Is this fashion?

      Don't exaggerate no
      It's no secret that Russia has its own interests in Transcaucasia, but in the article nothing in a reprehensible way, nothing is said about them, by the way ...
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 29 July 2020 11: 10 New
    +1
    А
    The second indicates that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia."
    "Our shot has ripened everywhere." Earlier it became known that Turkey deployed at least six of its attack drones, artillery, military, air defense systems and militants from Syria to Azerbaijan, writes Avia.pro.
  6. iouris
    iouris 29 July 2020 11: 12 New
    0
    Attention should be paid to something else, namely, to the surprisingly "soft" reaction of the security forces during "interethnic conflicts" at vegetable bases in Moscow. But (at least) the "social distance" was violated. Do not the authorities (at least in Moscow) and some state and municipal officials depend on the financial resources of the Azerbaijani and Armenian "diasporas"?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 July 2020 14: 49 New
      0
      "And whether the authorities do not depend" No, they do not. Look at these matters more deeply. They just gave the opportunity, showing and proving, first of all, to the Armenians and Pashinyan, how dependent they are on a pause or Moscow's actions. No oligarch (apricot war) would arbitrarily do something.
      1. iouris
        iouris 29 July 2020 15: 47 New
        +1
        You have explained. By concepts. But I got it.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 July 2020 11: 17 New
    +3
    The fact of Turkey's participation in the conflict with weapons and high-level support (read direct incitement) is undeniable, as is Russia's restrained policy. The author's assumption about Turkey's attempt to influence through this conflict on Russia's actions in Libya also has a right to exist. But the conflict near the borders of Russia is also beneficial to our main enemy - the United States. When territorial disputes periodically turn into a hot phase last tens of years, a spark is enough for a fire.
    1. bulava
      bulava 30 July 2020 00: 22 New
      0
      It's nice to see such a competent commentary among all this verbiage and inarticulate muttering of poorly educated people
    2. Scorpio05
      Scorpio05 3 August 2020 12: 40 New
      -1
      And what kind of Turkish weapons were used by Azerbaijan in the last battles, let me be curious? Probably you mean the Soviet 30 howitzers, or 82 mm. Tray mortars, as well as the Israeli Orbiter and Harop drones)) There was nothing else there, judging by the press reports and military corps. Well, why talk nonsense then?
      What significant Turkish weapons does Azerbaijan have and has it ever been used in general?) And what is the origin of the weapons that were used by Armenia in recent battles: the latest electronic warfare "Container", the latest counter-battery radars of Russian origin, as well as SU 30 (flew over the border with Azerbaijan, and maybe even hit by high-precision missiles, who knows?) The mortars are already clear, the Armenians were of Serbian production.
  8. the finish
    the finish 29 July 2020 11: 18 New
    0
    In July, it became known that the Turkish-Azerbaijani large-scale tactical and flight-tactical actions with live firing would begin on July 29 and last until August 10 in accordance with the agreement on military cooperation between the two countries. The exercises involve armored vehicles, artillery installations, combat and transport helicopters of the Air Force, air defense forces and anti-aircraft missile units of the armies of Azerbaijan and Turkey. The exercises are taking place in Nakhichevan, on the borders of Armenia and Karabakh, in other places in Azerbaijan.
  9. Charik
    Charik 29 July 2020 11: 31 New
    +1
    what they wanted to say, disruption of the supply of "blue fuel" to the EU is beneficial, in his opinion, first of all to Russia. We would write right away - Russia is to blame - that there is someone who supports whom to talk about.
    1. bulava
      bulava 29 July 2020 13: 01 New
      -1
      Yes, they have a gut tone so to speak. They peep from under the NATO baseboard like mice.
  10. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 29 July 2020 11: 45 New
    0
    The director of war (of all wars on the planet) is always the same - Steven Spielberg, ugh USA. Or rather, the financialintern and the Clintonoids.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 29 July 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    Not too many lines of contact with the Russians for Turkey alone? Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Karabakh. Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan
    1. bulava
      bulava 29 July 2020 13: 14 New
      -3
      Everything goes to this. The Sultan felt himself a player of the international level, he thinks that since he is under NATO, he will get away with everything.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 29 July 2020 14: 08 New
        0
        Ha, again the Armenian style is rushing. Well, do not calm down)) Since when is Turkey under NATO? Not to be confused with your country wink About who is currently under whom everyone knows perfectly well)) All NATO members are on the opposite side with Turkey in its current conflicts.
        1. bulava
          bulava 29 July 2020 15: 03 New
          -5
          The old man, somehow does not agree:

          Incirlik was generally an analogue of Pattaya, bars, eateries, shops - the Turks served them in the first class.
          1. VyacheSeymour
            VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 22: 23 New
            0
            Incirlik was generally analogous to Pattaya,

            Keyword -WAS ...
            ... And why is this picture?
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    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 July 2020 13: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      .Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

      Nothing will happen. Support must be real in the form of money, training, supply of weapons and intelligence.
      The Turks are sitting in northern Syria and pushed the Kurds away from their borders. America supports them both with weapons and everyone else.
      In Iraq, Barzani is in Kents with Turkey, and the PKK, which opposes, for them Turkey in the North of Iraq has also placed its strongholds with the military and is constantly conducting an operation.
      Well, Russia will give moral support, nothing will change.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 29 July 2020 14: 11 New
        -1
        Yes, he is not at all in the subject. The Turks have been nightmares for the RKK in the Iraqi mountains for a month. We moved 50 km into the territory. And where are these peshmerge? I would have posted a photo here and the RKK is a nightmare, but it's not worth it))
      2. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 29 July 2020 22: 40 New
        0
        "Northern Iraq also has its strongholds with the military." There are already 58 strong points in northern Iraq. Some of them can be called bases supplying the rest of the points.
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 29 July 2020 19: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Not too many lines of contact with the Russians for Turkey alone? Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Karabakh. Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

      So what doesn't it support? laughing
  12. Yeraz
    Yeraz 29 July 2020 11: 58 New
    +1
    By God, it's like little children are sitting here.
    Any LEADER of Turkey will express full support to Azerbaijan. They cannot afford a neutral phrase, because these are 2 BROTHERIC countries, the Turkish electorate and the Azerbaijani population will not understand neutral phrases about peace and love. And these words will attract, as proof, they say, Turkey is to blame and the instigator means to be two-faced.
    The only one who has neither a border with Azerbaijan, nor any economic ties, nor family ties (not counting the assimilated Kyzylbash from Azerbaijan in Pakistan) Fully supports Azerayjan is Sunni Pakistan. And there will even be tougher statements. And they even Armenia, like the country is not recognized, unlike Turkey and Azerbaijan itself.
    And Turkey's reaction will only get tougher over the years, because, unlike Erdogan's generation, the new Turkish generation has already grown up with the Azerbaijani generation in the same social space and at different levels have childhood friends and classmates and already many relatives. Let's say this in 30 years at times. integrated more, in contrast to 70 years of isolation due to being in the USSR.
    It is better to address the question to others, why the Minsk Group has not been able to resolve the issue in 30 years. Not a single solution.
    Therefore, comrades, do not be surprised that from time to time there will be babakh. As long as the good-natured MGIMOSHny in the person of Aliyev may not do anything, but as the experience of Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad showed, they are all not eternal and another will come, then it will bang.
    Russia does not draw any conclusions and follows the same rake.
    1. bulava
      bulava 29 July 2020 13: 00 New
      -2
      Russia draws what conclusions. This is a solid babakh-karabakh. We do everything calmly and clearly. Crimea is an example for you. This is how you look out the window in the morning, and there is a beshka with the Russian tricolor standing there. No noise and dust. Therefore, we have repeatedly created Empires and the most powerful powers in the world. Less screaming means more work.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 29 July 2020 13: 43 New
        -3
        "we have created empires more than once" Ashots did not create an empire, but were citizens of Byzantium and the Ottoman Empire for 1000 years and are now "free", for the first time in the history of the Armenians.
        1. bulava
          bulava 29 July 2020 13: 48 New
          -1
          Dear, every time you are mistaken with the addressee of your comment. I'm Russian and I'm talking about Great Russia. Remember this once and for all.
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 29 July 2020 13: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: bulava
        Russia draws what conclusions.

        That the problems should be solved, and not hope for a Russian maybe.
        In Georgia, it was not resolved during the conflict, the result is obvious.
        In Ukraine, during the first revolution and with the arrival of Yushchenko, they did not understand anything and profited from the second revolution, and now the second largest Slavic Christian country is Russia's fierce enemy.
        In Azerbaijan it is exactly the same, instead of solving the problem, only talks and the result of all this will be exactly the same as with Ukraine and Georgia, or, well, a blazing Syria near the borders of Russia.
        1. KURT330
          KURT330 29 July 2020 14: 21 New
          -2
          These fables are simply imposed on ordinary Russians, like Azerbaijanis are so bad, they hate Russians, they slaughter Armenians, etc. An important role (and perhaps the main one) is played by the Armenianized Russian Media. When people wake up from all this, I think it will be too late.
          1. bulava
            bulava 29 July 2020 15: 11 New
            -3
            You are an adult. Admit that there were mistakes and the Russians were offended. We are kind, we know how to forgive. This is all in the past (hopefully). Just remember that we are no longer what we were in the early 1990s. We are building an Empire. Whoever gets in the way - we will crush and not notice.
        2. bulava
          bulava 29 July 2020 15: 08 New
          -6
          Russia solves problems and solves it very successfully, so much so that 10 years ago no one could have imagined! In 20 years we have returned from the bottom to the top three great world powers. What have you done in 20 years?
          1. VyacheSeymour
            VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 22: 39 New
            -1
            In 20 years we have returned from the bottom to the top three great world powers ...

            ... in the top three ????????? .....- And the first TWO, - who is this ?????
            1. bulava
              bulava 29 July 2020 23: 40 New
              0
              Belarus and North Korea ... well, you yourself do not guess?)
      3. KURT330
        KURT330 29 July 2020 14: 17 New
        -2
        Not tired of mowing under the Russian? laughing
      4. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 22: 36 New
        0
        Crimea as an example for you ...

        To whom as an example ????? ......
        If Armenia - then yeah !!! - as an example to her, and Abkhazia with Ossetia, and Kosovo with Eritrea and South Sudan !!!! -WHO RECOGNIZED ????
        KARABAKH does not want to admit ...
    2. Charik
      Charik 29 July 2020 13: 15 New
      -7
      Armenia spelled with a capital letter and Azerbaijan with a small
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 29 July 2020 19: 51 New
        +1
        I was born in Azerbaijan (Nakhichevan), at the school in my group there were cadets from Armenia, we were one friendly family. Sometimes we meet on the anniversaries of graduation - Azerbaijanis and Armenians sit side by side, remember their youth, hug. There are guys from Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Dagestan, Georgia - and we still understand each other! Some kind of mess is going on in the world, and you are also teasing! Isn't it time to get down to reason, people?
        1. Charik
          Charik 29 July 2020 21: 03 New
          -1
          Of course, stupid-man-kills a man because of what-is it impossible to live in one village on the same street-it's not a mess in the world-he just went crazy
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 29 July 2020 21: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Charik
            Of course, stupid-man-kills a man because of what-is it impossible to live in one village on the same street-it's not a mess in the world-he just went crazy

            the world itself cannot go crazy, someone is forcing it to do so. and these someone are also people, but they do not want us to live in harmony and peace.
            1. bulava
              bulava 30 July 2020 10: 39 New
              -1
              You are right, but what a long way to go. Here on the site there is an active five of "pro-Turkish-Azerbaijani" users who insult everyone to the right and left on the basis of ethnicity, stir up tension, and virtually rattle weapons. If you disagree with their position, you automatically become an "Armenian". There are no such characters on the "opposing" side. In an amicable way, they need to be banned, and their data should be transferred to law enforcement agencies. If they are citizens of the Russian Federation, initiate a case, if not, expel them back to Baku or Istanbul. It is sad that due to several provocateurs it is impossible to discuss constructively even here.
              1. KURT330
                KURT330 31 July 2020 11: 47 New
                -1
                Don't bury yourself. What a hello, such an answer. Will you litter with nasty things about Turks and Azerbaijanis and get away with it? So start the reforms with yourself first! As for me personally, write in a personal, I will come to you myself and try to expel me.
                1. bulava
                  bulava 31 July 2020 12: 27 New
                  -1
                  Wait a minute, I’m rubbish about specific nationalities, because I’m sure that each nationality has both good and bad people. I have friends and Azerbaijanis and Armenians, at work I talked a lot with the Turks - all sane and serious people. We are talking, first of all, about the authorities and their inadequate (or harmful for Russia) actions .. And of course, brawlers, hooligans and criminals must be expelled from Russia. If you consider yourself to be such, contact the nearest police station and they will help you to leave the Russian Federation. And there is no need for your "Caucasian" things in the spirit of "give the address, I'll come". You yourself have already bothered me to write about Armenian noses and other nasty things with nationalistic overtones.
                  1. KURT330
                    KURT330 31 July 2020 12: 33 New
                    0
                    It is you who incite the greatest interethnic strife here! I'll show you a lot of your nasty things about the Turks and Azerbaijanis, but don't be too lazy and go over your comments. Stop mowing like Russian and choose expressions. Again the Armenian "I" rules. Like shots on the border, right away "where is Russia, where is the CSTO, now" where is the police, here is the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. "What do you think you are smarter than the rest? Well, let's say you are Russian, write in a personal, I'll come to you and you me Stop stirring up here, I say.
                    1. bulava
                      bulava 31 July 2020 12: 42 New
                      0
                      Do you dislike an opinion that is different from yours and runs counter to the general line of your authorities? Well, excuse me, we have democracy here, and this resource is Russian. I don’t break the rules, I don’t go over to the person, I have already written many times that there are no bad nationalities for me, but there are, let's say, inadequate rulers zombifying their fellow citizens and inciting various discord and hostility. I do not like distortions of facts and outright nonsense in the spirit of "we are the oldest nation on earth." It's funny to watch all this, how after the collapse of the USSR, many republics slide into some kind of Middle Ages, conflict, fight, throw mud at the USSR, Russia, our President, our allies (but they themselves work in Moscow). You are here stirring up against Russia, I was insulted more than once - a Russian person, a citizen and a patriot of his country! And I have already passed all these meetings with your brother. Arrive in a crowd, start swinging pistols and knives.
                      1. KURT330
                        KURT330 31 July 2020 12: 55 New
                        -1
                        I don’t need to start talking here. Show who throws mud at the political figures of the Russian Federation or in general Russian. I'm telling you to stop stirring up. You are not the one I would talk to with a gun or a knife. And when you try to sell anti-Azerbaijani or anti-Turkish slogans to people here, take the trouble to reinforce them with facts. The fact that you are Armenian is beyond doubt. And there is no need to fool people here about the fact that the Bolsheviks gave Karabakh to the Azerbaijanis. You look funny then.

                      2. bulava
                        bulava 31 July 2020 13: 11 New
                        0
                        Dear, to me that Armenia, that Azerbaijan ... And I will say more that now very few people care about what happened there under the king of peas or in the early Bronze Age. Geopolitical issues are resolved in a completely different way and not on the basis of archival information. Half a month has passed since the beginning of the conflict. You made noise, Armenians made noise, trampled apricots, burned flags. And our base, as it was in Gyumri, is still there, as you all bought our weapons, you will continue to buy them. And even more volumes will be. That's all. As a Russian person, as a representative of Great Russia, this suits me perfectly. Well, you can continue to fight with me here, considering me an Armenian. This is ridiculous. And it's a little sad, because once we were citizens of one Great Country and such conversations in principle could not be imagined. This is sad.
    3. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 22: 49 New
      +1
      Armenia spelled with a capital letter and Azerbaijan with a small

      At the end of the story is putPOINT , а before the union А-comma.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 31 July 2020 12: 58 New
        -1
        Unfortunately, we do not complain about such tricks. So they think they are omnipotent.
  • yfast
    yfast 29 July 2020 12: 12 New
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Earlier it became known that Turkey has deployed at least six of its attack drones to Azerbaijan, ..., writes Avia.pro.

    Sounds like at least six aircraft carriers, very menacing.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 29 July 2020 14: 23 New
      -2
      It is quite enough for the Armenian fleet.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 14: 20 New
      0
      Exclusively. In Libya, 18 Bayraktar were shot down reliably, and in Syria, 2 Bayraktar and 2 Anki.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 July 2020 12: 18 New
    0
    Pashinyan said something in an interview yesterday. We have to look.
  • raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 29 July 2020 12: 46 New
    +4
    Have questions!!!
    - How was the Azerbaijani general killed? It was located 31 km from the border of contact of the two sides. How did the UAV find its coordinates and how did it reach the desired distance? Why didn't he even try to repeat such an attack again? Who, what big power gave the coordinates of the commanding staff? Who did she get this information from?
    -Why the chief of the general staff Sadikov has been in that post for 27 years. He also participated in the negotiations on Karabakh. Is it true that his close relative is a general in the Russian army and he cherishes sympathy for ... let's not show it with a finger.
    -Why did this staff officer not return the conquered territories for 27 years and did not even try to do anything.
    - According to the agreements, Turkey will not be active in the zone without an invitation. Why did Azerbaijan not dare to connect the clauses of the agreement?
    Have questions???
    1. alone
      alone 29 July 2020 15: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: raki-uzo
      Have questions!!!
      - How was the Azerbaijani general killed? It was located 31 km from the border of contact of the two sides.

      Were you there? Where does this distance accuracy come from?
      All that you wrote from the category "One grandmother at the entrance whispered in her ear".
      Quote: raki-uzo
      Under the agreements, Turkey will not be active in the zone without an invitation. Why did Azerbaijan not dare to connect the clauses of the agreement?

      There is no need for this; we have enough strength and resources.
      PS In general, because of the death of the general, there is too much hype incomprehensible ... The general is also a military man, and in all wars there have been losses of the highest command personnel.
  • bulava
    bulava 29 July 2020 12: 56 New
    +1
    Difenza's analyzes from Signor Tomato simply shine with their depth and knowledge of the subject. It has long been clear to everyone that Erdogan is behind the escalation. He revived on all fronts: Libya, Syria, Kurdistan, Cyprus, the Caucasus, Hagia Sophia ... In the conditions of the economic crisis, you need to strengthen your power with the help of populist measures and military hysteria. Now our tourists will fill the beaches of Antalya, tomatoes will go and it will calm down.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 29 July 2020 14: 26 New
      0
      Applications for holidays in Turkish resorts this year in Russia increased by 46% wink
      1. bulava
        bulava 29 July 2020 14: 54 New
        -1
        Naturally! We feed the entire coast there. But this tap can always be turned off, and then what will Erdogan do with all this crowd of men left without income?
        1. alone
          alone 29 July 2020 15: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: bulava
          Naturally! We feed the entire coast there. But this tap can always be turned off, and then what will Erdogan do with all this crowd of men left without income?

          Do you think Turkey keeps only at the expense of Russian tourists? Have you thought why people run there to rest? The answer is banally simple: It is cheaper to rest there than in the same Crimea, where the service is 0
          1. bulava
            bulava 29 July 2020 16: 35 New
            -3
            Of course not, we also buy products from them on a good scale. If we stop, then of course it will not affect the whole of Turkey, but some provinces will definitely find themselves in distress. There are no such sales markets in Europe. On the other hand, Turkey's neighbors can only accept humanitarian aid.
            1. alone
              alone 29 July 2020 18: 57 New
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              Quote: bulava
              Of course not, we also buy products from them on a good scale. If we stop, then of course it will not affect the whole of Turkey, but some provinces will definitely find themselves in distress. There are no such sales markets in Europe. On the other hand, Turkey's neighbors can only accept humanitarian aid.

              I advise you to take a closer look at the economic opportunities of the Republic of Turkey. Believe me, you will find many interesting things that will change your opinion about products and about tourists. hi
              1. bulava
                bulava 29 July 2020 19: 04 New
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                Oh, what special opportunities are there. Before our military-industrial complex, machine-building industry, chemical industry, they are like the moon ...
                1. alone
                  alone 29 July 2020 20: 45 New
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                  Quote: bulava
                  Oh, what special opportunities are there. Before our military-industrial complex, machine-building industry, chemical industry, they are like the moon ...

                  Well, well .. think so and further ... but all the same, I strongly advise you to get acquainted. You will find a lot of interesting things for yourself.
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                  2. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 29 July 2020 23: 08 New
                    -1
                    You argue as an Armenian, Ashot. After "plastic intervention, he became Ivan Bulava, and he thinks that he is already a blond Slav", telling everyone about it laughing He knows very well Turkey and the possibilities of this country, but his task is different, you understand)
                    1. alone
                      alone 29 July 2020 23: 25 New
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                      Quote: Oquzyurd
                      You argue as an Armenian, Ashot. After "plastic intervention, he became Ivan Bulava, and he thinks that he is already a blond Slav", telling everyone about it

                      Yes, I know, I'm a brother ... he's a Slav, like an Aryan from me wassat
                    2. bulava
                      bulava 29 July 2020 23: 43 New
                      -2
                      Armenians, Armenians, Armenians ... my friend, well, this is already some kind of pathology. Of course, I would show you a photo of your passport, but you can’t not appreciate it at work)
                      1. Oquzyurd
                        Oquzyurd 30 July 2020 01: 25 New
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                        Borrow from the red-haired drunk and show that it's me, everyone will believe. laughing
                      2. KURT330
                        KURT330 31 July 2020 12: 39 New
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                        "... will not appreciate" wanted to write? wink
                2. VyacheSeymour
                  VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 23: 09 New
                  -1
                  Oh, what special opportunities are there. Before our military-industrial complex, machine-building industry, chemical industry, they are like the moon.

                  First, compare GDP per capita ... - despite the fact that Turkey is an importer of resources.
        2. KURT330
          KURT330 30 July 2020 08: 16 New
          +1
          Why can't you block it? Well come on, the crane is in your hands wink Come on, cover the narrower laughing
          1. bulava
            bulava 30 July 2020 09: 39 New
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            So we will block it if necessary. For now, we need Turkey as a vegetable warehouse, a health resort and a warehouse for finished products.
            1. KURT330
              KURT330 30 July 2020 09: 42 New
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              Well, what are we waiting for? Come on already block laughing
              Write down your Armenian wet dreams in your ancient Armenian notebook. If you're lucky, you will read to your grandchildren in old age, somewhere in India, well, or in Syria to the extreme wink
              1. bulava
                bulava 30 July 2020 10: 16 New
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                Yes, a difficult case)))
                1. KURT330
                  KURT330 31 July 2020 11: 48 New
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                  Not harder than yours.
    2. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 23: 00 New
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      [quote] It has long been clear to everyone that Erdogan is behind the exacerbation .. [/ quot]
      ... well, and further along the knurled: - Syria with Libya, a stab in the back, treatment of Chechen militants, support of the Tatars with non-recognition of Crimea, genocide of the long-suffering first-thrones ..., and so on ..
      Aren't you bored yourself?
  • KURT330
    KURT330 29 July 2020 13: 57 New
    0
    Can you throw off the link to the Italian source?
    1. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 29 July 2020 14: 24 New
      +2
      "the author notes, pointing out that the formation of this opinion was influenced by Armenian sources, in particular diplomatic workers in Italy." The author himself admits that the Armenians were advisers in forming the opinion, and he wrote an article laughing
    2. Eugene-Eugene
      29 July 2020 15: 45 New
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      Everything is googled without problems. https://www.analisidifesa.it/2020/07/quale-regia-dietro-il-ritorno-del-conflitto-tra-armeni-e-azeri/
  • Radius
    Radius 29 July 2020 14: 49 New
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    So what? We must insist on the creation of Kurdistan! After all, they created Armenia! Don't stop :)
    1. bulava
      bulava 29 July 2020 14: 55 New
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      Everything has its time. Now we will gain a foothold in Syria. Then you can take care of her neighbors.
      1. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 29 July 2020 23: 13 New
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        Everything has its time. Now we will gain a foothold in Syria. Then you can take care of her neighbors.

        You are scaring me! - is it really the very chosen ones ?????
      2. KURT330
        KURT330 30 July 2020 08: 29 New
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        You will gain a foothold at home first! laughing
    2. raki-uzo
      raki-uzo 29 July 2020 15: 19 New
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      If you are so concerned, why don't you go to their aid? There are already so few of them in Turkey that our soldiers have to collect Kurdistan lovers from neighboring countries. Not scared to undress to the point of goal? So hurry ...
      1. Radius
        Radius 29 July 2020 16: 00 New
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        Ugh on you ...
        1. alone
          alone 29 July 2020 19: 02 New
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          Quote: Radius
          Ugh on you ...

          Stripped it, most likely in order to make sure that there are no explosives on it ... some Kurds commit self-detonation when they are captured.
      2. bulava
        bulava 29 July 2020 16: 38 New
        -3
        And this is a professional Turkish army fighter? Heck...
  • Vsepomni
    Vsepomni 29 July 2020 16: 02 New
    -1
    Russia will not leave Armenia because of Iran. The Iranians are also exploiting Gyumri against NATO and Israel. Assuming NATO collapses soon. The Israeli factor remains. But he is nothing without NATO. In general, let's see what will come of it
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 07: 58 New
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      Quote: Vsepomni
      The Israeli factor remains. But he is nothing without NATO.

      Obviously, you shouldn't say that because there is nuclear weapons, and the Air Force is better than all NATO ones. Although there are enough slippery questions about the Israeli Armed Forces.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 29 July 2020 17: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    from office sources, at least we will have quarantine in the Krasnodar Territory
    Judging by the OBS (one woman said) the information is already being printed and the passes are being printed, they are valid until the end of December. True, it is not known why we will die off faster, from the coronavirus or from quarantine - the stocks were eaten up in the first quarantine, now those few earnings that were barely covered, this is even if someone is lucky, current expenses, that is, the majority of savings have ZERO. Well, for children who receive 3500-5500 rubles, well, pensioners continue to receive their beggarly pension, but what should we do ??? ...

    So it turns out that the past practice, when we were sent passes by e-mail, they decided to cancel. So the receipt will be at the turnout, and there will be queues and a crush.

    Wait and see.


    By article. The Italians have now clashed with the Turks from here and opuses, remember the history of the confrontation of their ships off the coast of Libya. At the same time, literally yesterday, in another topic, we were discussing the supply of the UBS M-346 by Italy to Azerbaijan, and by the way, this is not the only thing that the Italians will supply from weapons, there are also air defense systems that follow and so on, so it's just blah blah - politics and journalism have long been gone the second, and the first, the most ancient profession.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 29 July 2020 17: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Radius
    So what? We must insist on the creation of Kurdistan! After all, they created Armenia! Don't stop :)
    The Kurds, like the Armenians, are unreliable ... They have too rich a past and a long track record - they lay under everyone, they all sat on their knees. So they are like that walking woman, there is no sense in dragging such a woman into the hut and even more so giving her a hut. I would like to itch, caught it, tore it off anywhere and in whatever position I liked, put on my trousers, kicked it and went home.
    1. Radius
      Radius 29 July 2020 21: 04 New
      -1
      So what I'm talking about: it is necessary to use once such a situation. And to promise to marry ... As it is not in the hussar.
  • Sarkazm
    Sarkazm 29 July 2020 17: 52 New
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    Quote: bulava
    And this is a professional Turkish army fighter? Heck...
    They have universal conscription.
    In the video, most likely not the army, but the gendarmerie, they are both stationary troops (analogous to our explosives) and the border (analogous to our border guards).
  • uranium
    uranium 30 July 2020 02: 18 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    А
    The second indicates that unlike Moscow, which showed caution, the head of Turkey, Rajep Erdogan, immediately expressed his solidarity with Baku, saying that "he will never leave Azerbaijan in a possible conflict with Armenia."
    "Our shot has ripened everywhere." Earlier it became known that Turkey deployed at least six of its attack drones, artillery, military, air defense systems and militants from Syria to Azerbaijan, writes Avia.pro.

    there in the article they forgot to indicate the Khmer Rouge from Kombodja and the Irish from the Irish Liberation Army lol
  • uranium
    uranium 30 July 2020 08: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    m, high-level support for Turkey in the conflict (read direct incitement) is undeniable, as is Russia's restrained policy. The author's assumption about Turkey's attempt to influence through this conflict on Russia's actions in Libya also has a right to exist. But the conflict near the borders of Russia is also beneficial to our main enemy - the United States. When territorial disputes periodically move

    The fact that Armenia is conducting unscheduled exercises with Russia you are silent then why Azerbaijan cannot conduct exercises with Turkey.?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 08: 01 New
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      I explain the dragging in of the Turks seriously as a minimum will lead to opposition to Russia .. Russia does not need Turkey within the former USSR.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 31 July 2020 12: 43 New
        0
        How to understand this? Divorced, married to someone else and don't have the right to have children? laughing
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 12: 51 New
          -1
          So understand. Try to think .. We don't need Turkey there. And you have to reckon with this. Whether you want it or not.
          1. KURT330
            KURT330 31 July 2020 14: 21 New
            +1
            Well, if you think like you, then we don't need you here either)) By the way, you also have to reckon with this. Whether you want it or not!
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 14: 33 New
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              Quote: KURT330
              Well, if you think like you, then we don't need you here either)) By the way, you also have to reckon with this. Whether you want it or not!


              As you are at least something to represent in the military-political plan, so it will be, maybe ..... In the meantime, you will carefully listen to what you will be told in Moscow. That is what Aliyev Jr. is doing. As an ally, or a place for the deployment of bases and contingents, you are also of little interest to anyone. Even the same Turks. They have it just one of the chess boards.
              And we don't need a war either, because of the likely surge of refugees and other problems.
              1. KURT330
                KURT330 31 July 2020 14: 39 New
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                I advise you not to dwell on Aliyev. Well, come on, dare if it's not dumb)) Above the throat of speech pushing will not help! We don't want to be interesting to anyone at all, we will take ours and that's it. And no one will bother us! You have a phobia about the Turks since you mention them all over here. These are our problems who needs us and who does not. It's not up to you to judge.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 14: 51 New
                  -1
                  Quote: KURT330
                  Pushing speech above the throat will not help!


                  So you can't.
  • uranium
    uranium 31 July 2020 11: 49 New
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    Quote: Cyril G ...
    I explain the dragging in of the Turks seriously as a minimum will lead to opposition to Russia .. Russia does not need Turkey within the former USSR.

    Firstly, there is a game and not without Russia's knowledge it is likely that there is an agreement between Moscow and Ankara. Where Russia closes its eyes and with its inaction or silence wants to punish Russophobic Armenia. And the alliance of Turkey and Russia is a counterbalance to the West represented by the US and the EU. Turkey's relations with Western partners are strained, as are those of the Russian Federation. An alliance between them is quite possible.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 12: 54 New
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      Quote: uran
      wants to punish Russophobic Armenia.


      On this side, you are right, but the situation is much more complicated ...
      1. uranium
        uranium 31 July 2020 13: 54 New
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        The situation is complicated by the fact that you cannot receive reliable information from the media. Since most of the Russian media is controlled by the Armenian lobby. And they pour out all the anti-Turkish or anti-Azerbaijani hysteria to the narrow-minded citizens of the Russian Federation. And for Vasya from the distant Urals, what they said on TV is the law. There are a limited number of citizens who, for the sake of objectivity, try to read other sources, but even on the forum they can be counted on one hand.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 14: 18 New
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          Here, from my point of view, the following takes place.
          - the leadership of Russia, despite the hysteria of the media, is categorically against the use of the CSTO protocols in the event of an escalation of the conflict.
          - therefore it is against the use of our army even for peacekeeping purposes
          - on the other hand, Russia even less wants open military intervention from outside, which will be suppressed.
          - well, do not forget about the factor of Syria and the Bosphorus. These are also part of the movement.
          1. uranium
            uranium 31 July 2020 14: 50 New
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            In any case, the conflict is beneficial for Russia; it keeps Armenia and Azerbaijan on a short leash.
            Although Azerbaijan has always been friendly and always loyal to the Russian Federation from almost all post-Soviet republics. But at the same time, Russia always and in everything supports Russophobic Armenia. I still have the opinion that the Armenian lobby has a direct impact on the policy of the Kremlin. I cannot find any other explanation.
            As for Syria as the Russian Federation, the conflict near the borders is also not beneficial for Ankara. The maintenance and containment of refugees puts a very heavy burden on the budget of Turkey, so Ankara is trying to somehow resolve this issue. As for the Bosphorus, it will never be Russian, not because Turkey is strong, but because the West will never allow the Russian Federation to control this strait.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 14: 54 New
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              Quote: uran
              and has always been loyal to the Russian Federation from almost all post-Soviet republics.

              Unconvincing, a foreign faculty from Baku was transferred to us. The officers told a lot.

              Quote: uran
              In any case, the conflict is beneficial for Russia; it keeps Armenia and Azerbaijan on a short leash.

              Conflict is one thing, war of annihilation is totally different.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 14: 59 New
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                As for Syria as the Russian Federation, the conflict near the borders is also not beneficial for Ankara.

                So it was not we who kindled it there ...

                As for the Bosphorus, it will never be Russian, not because Turkey is strong, but because the West will never allow the Russian Federation to control this strait.

                I am not talking about that. Russia only needs guarantees of free passage through the straits. Despite NATO membership and US pressure. Turkey does not deviate one iota from the requirements of the Convention. What is the point of us trying to squeeze the straits? Even in a convenient situation ?! We must be responsible for the market. T
              2. uranium
                uranium 31 July 2020 15: 03 New
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                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Quote: uran
                and has always been loyal to the Russian Federation from almost all post-Soviet republics.

                Unconvincing, a foreign faculty from Baku was transferred to us. The officers told a lot.

                Quote: uran
                In any case, the conflict is beneficial for Russia; it keeps Armenia and Azerbaijan on a short leash.

                Conflict is one thing, war of annihilation is totally different.

                After the events of January 90, there may have been some stories, but this natural attitude towards the Soviet regime became negative after the execution of civilians, but for example there was a case of drunkenness in the duty room, two argued, bummed by a ricochet from the safe, the captain was wounded, I don't remember the last name. Well, in the Ministry of Defense they telegraphed that they were shooting back from the nationalists and got a combat wound with all the ensuing circumstances)))
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 31 July 2020 15: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: uran
                  Well, in the Ministry of Defense they telegraphed that they were shooting back from the nationalists and got a combat wound with all the ensuing circumstances)))


                  Well, this could also be.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 3 August 2020 14: 19 New
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    Quote: APASUS
    Not too many lines of contact with the Russians for Turkey alone? Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and now Karabakh. Russian only need to support the Kurds morally and this will be a serious blow to Erdogan

    Will the states approve of this? This is their cow and they milk it.