Finland promises to present the results of the investigation of "possible border violation" by Su-27 fighters

The Ministry of Defense commented on Finnish claims about the flight of Su-27 fighters. We are talking about a flight that was carried out from the Republic of Karelia to one of the airfields in the Kaliningrad region.

It all started with the fact that the Finnish military department announced "the beginning of an investigation into an incident involving Russian combat aircraft." The Finnish Defense Ministry believes that the Su-27 "could enter the Finnish airspace for a short time." In order to "clarify the details and conduct an investigation," a special commission has been created in Finland, which includes representatives of the border structure.

The Russian Defense Ministry expressed bewilderment in connection with the statement of Finnish colleagues about the possible entry of Russian fighters into the airspace of a neighboring country. It was noted that the flight was carried out along an agreed route, the crews of Russian aircraft were in contact with air traffic control points.

In addition, the Russian defense department reports that the fact of the flight of fighters without violating the Finnish border is confirmed by the data of objective control means. The message says that the Russian military aviation when carrying out such flights, it acts in strict accordance with international rules.

It should be added that the Finnish military promised to provide their data on the "incident" after the mentioned investigation. When it can be completed is not reported.

Comments

[Olgovich]

It all started with the fact that the Finnish military department announced "the beginning of an investigation into an incident involving Russian combat aircraft." The Finnish Defense Ministry believes that the Su-27 "could enter the Finnish airspace for a short time."

Breshet.
but why?

[Ka-52]

Breshet.
but why?

not necessarily bullshit. Perhaps the pilot could deviate slightly from the flight route. This is not a particular problem if the control room was in the know, the Finnish dispatchers were aware. It's just that the Finns are fulfilling the "obligation"

[Roman123567]

They probably don't even lie ..
And ours, as usual, pretend to be hoses ..

[orionvitt]

Quote: Ka-52

It's just that the Finns are fulfilling the "obligation"

What can they work out there, if from the Finnish side, no one is sure of anything.

The Finnish Defense Ministry believes that the Su-27 "could have entered Finnish airspace for a short time"

Could enter and entered, these are different things. They simply staged a "show" in the style of "hali like" on the very fact of the passage of Russian planes. Do they really not understand that by doing so, they expose themselves, figuratively, to ridicule. However, the West has long had no such thing as shame. Okay, there are the British, Poles, or the same Swedes who are trying in every possible way to please NATO, but where are the Finns going?

[ancient]

Quote: orionvitt

What can they work out there

Well, so they told you ...
Could calmly "strike on .. ribbon" .... you look and "something" and it will work ... from .. "unaccounted for"

[ancient]

Quote: Ka-52

Perhaps the pilot could deviate slightly from the flight route.

The flight was carried out by a group as there could be no question of any "could .. alone" .. 9 though (a whore on su-27 ... it ... happened).

Quote: Ka-52

if the KDP was aware of

The flight control station controls flights in the area of ​​the airfield and at the approach and departure stages, but the military sectors of the EC RC of the ATC of the regions are already "leading" along the route.
And long-distance communication is already carried out with the command post

[seregatara1969]

Finam to see the violation there is nothing? Guess - it was not.

[Pravodel]

After all, their older brothers, the Swedes, regularly find our submarines under their bed, and why are dates worse ... So they began to look for airplanes in Finnish baths ... Maybe they will find them if they steam up ...

[Astra wild]

Colleague Pravdodel, in fact, the Swedes have a somewhat peculiar relationship with the Finns: neighbors, good relations, but do not like each other. Like the French and English

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: The Truth

Elder brothers, Swedes, regularly find our submarines under their beds.

Fuck them knows who is the oldest, but of the three Scandinavian countries, Norwegians are more often looking for submarines - they are the closest neighbors of the Northern Fleet ... The Swedes simply discover a visually unknown boat and are lost in conjecture. And only the Finns did not show much concern about Russian border violators ... Now the opportunity presented itself ...
Let's wait and see who and how much got inside Finn-incognito ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: The Truth

Swedes regularly find our submarines under their beds

No, they constantly appear in their fountains and pools.

[Mikhail m]

Hailey Likely went all over the world.

[76rtbr]

Yes, just to make it louder for the whole world and everything in order, stop the aggressor !! it's just ridiculous to watch this tsyrk, but what will the whole action look like after the intermission?

[figwam]

Quote: Olgovich

Breshet.
but why?

There is a systematic destruction of relations with European countries, someone conducts this well.

[nickname7]

Breshut for the hype of course. Although there is no result of the investigation, they write articles and exaggerate the topic in the media. It seems that the Russian Federation did not do anything bad, but the sediment will remain, for the sake of this, in fact, it was started.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Olgovich

It all started with the fact that the Finnish military department announced "the beginning of an investigation into an incident involving Russian combat aircraft." The Finnish Defense Ministry believes that the Su-27 "could enter the Finnish airspace for a short time."

Breshet.
but why?

It is possible that when flying through the Gulf of Finland, the pilots did not deliberately "cut off" the corner and passed in formal proximity to some small Finnish island like Kilpisaari or Huovari.
There are many.

[avdkrd]

Breshet.
but why? [/ quote]
How else to justify the purchase of something dogogo and unnecessary? The Russian threat is the answer !!! I would not be surprised that the Finns would suddenly want to update the air defense system with the Patriot or buy an F35. Not that the Finns, but some particularly kind Finn by the State Department.

[iouris]

Apparently, the air corridor was left such that it is difficult not to "hook" Estonia or Finland. Everything that Peter I cut into Europe is closed. This is because there were no territorial amendments in the USSR constitution. But now things are different. Although Finland, Estonia, Latvia (and further on the list) have appeared and are growing territorial claims.

[ancient]

Quote: iouris

Apparently, the air corridor was left like this

Who .... "left"? Are we in international airspace?

[carstorm 11]

what is this new word in tracking air targets-COULD?) are they going to find out on tarot cards or what?)

[bober1982]

Quote: carstorm 11

what is the new word in tracking air targets - COULD?

This is a very illiterate and rather stupid statement from the Finnish side.

[carstorm 11]

yes it goes without saying. I'm curious about another thing - how are they going to find out after the fact) will they find a farmer who saw fighters with identification marks of the Russian Aerospace Forces pass at low speed at low speed?))) or will the shamans be asked to call the spirits?)

[bober1982]

Quote: carstorm 11

how are they going to find out after the fact

They have nothing, no data of objective control, otherwise they would not have talked ... about possible violation, which doesn't sound very clever on their part.
Any violation of the airspace is easily detected.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bober1982

They have nothing, no data of objective control, otherwise they would not have talked ... about a possible violation

They will act according to the Yankes method - "we have it, but we will not show it to you for reasons of secrecy"

[Thrifty]

Finns need to drink less, or eat more often, then lie, as if hunting, will become much less!

[Poetry]

We had one comrade, Seryoga. In 1987 he went to the USSR boxing championship. Reached 1/4 finals. In the second round, he missed an oncoming kick. Knockout. They took him to the locker room, laid him on the massage table. Everyone is sitting talking, they forgot about Seryoga. Suddenly it explodes and starts warming up. He was asked: "Gray, what are you doing?" He replies: "How what ?! I will have a fight soon, I need to warm up."
Everyone laughed, of course, the coach says: "Seryoga, your fight has already passed. You were brought here."
The Finns are like this Seryoga.

[rocket757]

We must prove to them that it is not in vain that they eat their bread!

[bober1982]

Quote: rocket757

We must prove to them that it is not in vain that they eat their bread!

Mice always agree, mice are dumb.

[Cyril G ...]

The Finnish Defense Ministry believes that the Su-27 "could enter the Finnish airspace for a short time."

So they could or could not ..? Or entered? Well, what about - highley like ... Some clowns.

[HAM]

Well, and the brakes! And I thought that only Estonians had "late ignition" .....

[Astra wild]

Who knows, perhaps the pilot deviated slightly, because you cannot put a fence in the air and on the water.
Perhaps the Finnish dispatcher was wrong. We all remember the "Kaloev case." Or maybe the Finnish slowness worked: he saw the plane and began to "digest": a Russian plane, and where is the border? Hence the wording: "possible" violation. There is a big difference between assumption and reality.

[bober1982]

Quote: Astra wild

Who knows, the pilot may have deviated slightly

How to understand - slightly deviated, here either violated or not.
You can be slightly drunk.
You are forgiven.

[Roman123567]

How to understand - slightly deviated, here either violated or not.

This is what the Finns are trying to find out .. that is what they said ..

[bober1982]

Quote: Roman123567

This is what the Finns are figuring out.

How did the Su-27 deviate slightly? Let them not laugh.

[Roman123567]

How did the Su-27 deviate slightly?

Just like the Su-24, which was shot down by the Turks .. What's so funny about it ??

[bober1982]

Quote: Roman123567

Just like the Su-24

What can you know about this? Nothing. The Turks said.

[Roman123567]

As if the Turks are not people ..))

In May 2015, Turkey shot down a Syrian military aircraft that violated the country's airspace. Prior to that, Turkey has repeatedly shot down Syrian unmanned aerial vehicles.

Russian military aircraft violated Turkish airspace twice: on October 3 and 6, 2015, which was confirmed by the Russian military. At the same time, the Russian side argued that the violation was short-lived and made by an ERRORthat NATO refuted

Russia explains violation of Turkish airspace air defense maneuver
The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces Viktor Bondarev said that the Russian fighter violated Turkish airspace in early October, making an anti-missile maneuver

Khmeimim airbase in Syria (Photo: RIA Novosti)
Bondarev spoke about the reasons for the violation of Turkish airspace in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda. According to him, when the Russian fighter was passing along the border with Turkey, the equipment showed that "some ground air defense systems are trying to capture a combat vehicle." Because of this, says Bondarev, the pilot was forced “in a matter of seconds” to make an anti-missile maneuver. "Well, a little bit climbed into the Turkish sky," - concluded the commander in chief of the Aerospace Forces.

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense, recognizing the violation of Turkish airspace, explained the incident adverse weather conditions. As explained in the defense department, "the Khmeimim airbase is located about 30 km from the Syrian-Turkish border, under certain climatic conditions, the airfield is entered from the north, therefore this incident is a consequence of unfavorable weather conditions in this area."

How did the Su-27 deviate slightly?

1. By Error
2. Maneuver from air defense
3. Weather conditions ..

Choose the option to your liking ..

[bober1982]

Quote: Roman123567

Choose the option to your liking ..

Dear comrade, what do you know about air violations of the border.
This is Turkish bleating, nothing more, not a competent debriefing.
And, this is not a level, this is not serious.
That's when a pair of Tu-16s of the Soviet Air Force pass through the whole of Scandinavia, including the Finns - this is the level.
Or, a pair of Tu-16, in the same way passes all the Balkans, and this is the level.

Quote: Roman123567

Choose the option to your liking ..

An amateur is immediately visible.
Remember for life, only the crew knows this, and no one else.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bober1982

That's when a pair of Tu-16s of the Soviet Air Force pass through the whole of Scandinavia, including the Finns - this is the level.

Or when a Soviet target rocket based on the P-5 arrives in Finland through Norway and falls into Lake Inari.

[Roman123567]

Dear comrade, what do you even know

As it turned out - I know more than you .. You didn't know anything at all ..))

This is Turkish bleating, nothing more, not a competent debriefing.

Do you know Russian?? How do you learn - re-read what I highlighted above in bold .. Believe me, you will no longer have questions right away .. you just need to learn how to read ..))

And, this is not a level, this is not serious.
That's when a pair of Tu-16s of the Soviet Air Force pass through the whole of Scandinavia, including the Finns - this is the level.

I'm not going to discuss here your congresses to a level or not a level .. I gave you real examples of real flights of real planes beyond real borders .. Really confirmed by real commanders-in-chief of RUSSIA .. And you started telling me about some bleating after that ..

Remember for life, it knows only the crew, and no one else.

Then it turns out that our defense department lied .. they are not the crew ..))

the Russian defense department reports that the fact of the flight of fighters without violating the Finnish border is confirmed by the data of the objective control means.

You can immediately see the "non-flyer" ..

[bober1982]

Quote: Roman123567

I'm not going to discuss here your level or not level congresses.

It turned out cleverly, from the Finns to "jump off" the Turks, we are specifically discussing hot Finnish guys.

Quote: Roman123567

I brought you real Examples real flights real aircraft for real borders .. Really confirmed real

Tell me, real kid, about a real flight, a real Boeing, in the real Far East, with an attack on a real Su-15, and its further real downing. And what was really said about this, real Americans.

[Roman123567]

It turned out cleverly, from the Finns to "jump off" the Turks, we are specifically discussing hot Finnish guys.

We discuss

How did the Su-27 deviate slightly? Let them not laugh.

In order not to be funny, I had to explain to a non-amateur HOW this happens ..
And I'm not too lazy to repeat again for a better understanding:

confirmed by the Russian military. At the same time, the Russian side argued that the violation was short-lived and made according to mistake.............
...... Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces Viktor Bondarev said that the Russian fighter violated Turkish airspace in early October, making anti-missile maneuver...............
............. Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense, recognizing the fact of violation of Turkish airspace, explained the incident as unfavorable weather conditions.

Now you know - HOW the plane can deviate slightly ..

Tell me, real kid, about a real flight, a real Boeing, in the real Far East, with an attack on a real Su-15, and its further real downing. And what was really said about this, real Americans.

What for?? The question was simple - How did the Su-27 deviate slightly? I answered you in Russian, in black and white ..
And for some reason, you are once again trying to get away from the fact that there was no admission of our commanders-in-chief about our aircrafts on foreign territory ... and you call it

Turkish bleating, nothing more,

Nah .. it won't work ..))

[bober1982]

Again, you translate the arrows to the Turks, and here the Turks and the Finns, why speak your teeth.

Quote: Roman123567

I answered you in Russian, in black and white ..

You, about the Turks, told you stories about how you MIGHTLY violated the border of the Su-27, tell me.

[Roman123567]

and here are the Turks and Finns

Given that you have a memory like a fish ..
Beaver, you exhale .. And then you are already showing yourself completely stupid ..))

Как Su-27 deviated slightly? Let them not laugh.

As well as Su-24, which was shot down by the Turks .. What's so funny ??

What You May Know about it? Nothing.Turks told.

confirmed Russian the military. At the same time, the Russian side argued that the violation was short-lived and made by mistake .............
......Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces of Russia Viktor Bondarev said that the Russian fighter violated Turkish airspace in early October, performing an anti-missile maneuver ...............
............. Earlier Russian Ministry of Defense, recognizing the fact of violation of Turkish airspace, explained the incident by unfavorable weather conditions.

I didn’t tell anyone stories, and I’m not going to .. as you can see from the dialogue - I answered your questions .. concretely and consistently ..

Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces of Russia, told "tales" about how "LIGHTLY violated the border"
And after reading it, you now know for 40 minutes how "POSSIBLE" for an airplane

No, well, maybe, of course, you have some kind of female logic of your own .. come on., Wriggle further ..))

[bober1982]

Why are you talking about Turks again, what October, what Turks, what downed Su-24?
If I am conducting our meaningful conversation with you, only because of curiosity, that is, the definition of a person's psychotype, according to psychogeometry.

[Roman123567]

Why are you talking about Turks again?

Patamushta ..))
We read .. and get enlightened ..))

Как Su-27 deviated slightly? Let them not laugh.

As well as Su-24, which was shot down by the Turks .. What's so funny ??

И same, like all the cases listed above, and in which the Russian Ministry of Defense admitted ..

You woke up in the morning, and did not know HOW the planes deviate slightly, asking this question ..
Thanks to my answer, you will fall asleep today knowing that they deviate the same way as it happened in Turkey ..

Threat ..

our meaningful conversation,

The only meaningful thing here is that I poke my interlocutor with my nose at the same phrase, and he continues to stubbornly pretend to be a hose .. Funny psychogeometry ..))

[Marconi41]

Quote: Roman123567

I gave you real examples of real flights of real planes beyond real borders ..

In fact, such flights are not uncommon. Ours flew to Israel, and during the Soviet era and to the same fnams. True, then they quietly apologized and did not advertise it in the media. The same goes for sailors.

[Roman123567]

In fact, such flights are not uncommon.

I don't argue with that at all .. This is the comrade above who asked the question - how is this possible ..

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

How did the Su-27 deviate slightly? Let them not laugh.

Take an interest .... for Major V. Troyanov on September 15, 2005 ... ejected 55 km from Kaunas, and the plane belonged to the 6th VA of the Air Force and Air Defense

[bober1982]

Don't talk about the Turks, and that's good.
How to understand - slightly deviated, how long will it be, what kind of aviation term is it, what is it expressed in? Specifically.
And if the Finnish guys, making such a statement, were a little drunk, is this possible?
And, this cannot be ruled out, who would have thought that the American pilots on the F-18 that demolished their own tanker (along with the crew) were on drugs !!! This is what happens.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

How to understand - slightly deviated, how long will it be, what kind of aviation term is it, what is it expressed in? Specifically.

Are you something ... "playing at the wrong gate ..."? ... This is your expression ... or where.
Not sure what this aviation term is .. "off-axis"?
So you seem to be "positioning" yourself as a former Air Force navigator, or am I mistaken? And not familiar with such a term and definition?

Quote: bober1982

And if the Finnish guys, making such a statement, were a little drunk, is this possible?

I didn't say a word for the "hot Finnish guys" ... But I wrote it clearly -Take an interest .... for Major V. Troyanov on September 15, 2005 ... ejected 55 km from Kaunas.
And he gave this example because you ILLEGALLY "built" your phrase, from which it should be concluded that the Su-27 in general a priori cannot deviate or lose orientation.
And what can I say ... you really let me determine myself ...

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

And clearly wrote

I, too, clearly wrote that perhaps the Finns were just drunk, could this be? Maybe?
And, you modestly kept silent, if American pilots fly on drugs, then why couldn't the Finns be drunk, perhaps? But, in response, your humble silence
.

Quote: ancient

So you seem to be "positioning" yourself as a former Air Force navigator

And, how do you "position" yourself? Self-taught pilot who has flown all types of aircraft and has the greatest experience in flying the Su-24, Tu-22 (all modifications) and other aircraft of all modifications.
There are no former Air Force navigators, any Air Force navigator will tell you

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

I, too, clearly wrote that perhaps the Finns were just drunk, could this be?

Did I ask you this?

Quote: bober1982

And, you modestly kept silent, if American pilots fly under drugs, then why couldn't the Finns be drunk, perhaps?

Did you fly in joint crews with the Americans? What are you doing such .. "conclusions"
And again ... what did I ask you about this? ... why do you reproach my silence.?
Or should I stand at attention to jump up and answer .. "yes, sir" to your ..... statements are not clear to whom and it is not clear what?
This begs the question about ... how you feel ... but ......... everything is visible and so

Quote: bober1982

And, how do you "position" yourself?

And as it is ... so it is ... there is no other way, but ... at least, well, or unlike you, I know perfectly well what it is, according to the KBP of aviation, class control and annual checks on aircraft driving and B / P ASP and what elements of aircraft driving are assessed there and .. criteria for LBU (on large and medium, small and PMV, day and night).
Let me remind you ... once you forgot ...LBU- this is LINEAR LATERAL DEVIATION from the axis of the flight route or pilot directory.

Quote: bober1982

Self-taught pilot who has flown all types of aircraft

And you, among other things, also ... "hamlo" ... I can't rate it better ... the site rule does not allow

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

And as it is ... so it is ... there is no other

So it is, a nugget pilot who flew on everything that moved in airspace.
Do not "get excited", former LBU colleague, do not be so nervous.

[HMR333]

They are not facts but the results are prepared from the hat!

[Roman123567]

the Russian defense department reports that the fact of the flight of fighters without violating the Finnish border confirmed objective control data

Well, they will confirm if everything was so ..
In general, in such situations, one should be happy .. when you were accused of something, and you have all the evidence to the contrary .. how grit is - the ability to wipe your opponent's nose ..
And "not to rejoice" is possible only when ... Well, you yourself understood everything ..))

[Wildgoose]

Such nonsense is constantly on the ground, especially in winter. On a snowmobile, officers pass directly. The border is not even, but with bulges. In total, the Finns have a slight hysterics, our representative comes and drinks with them for a couple of days. And everyone is happy. There is no need to look for a black cat)))

[rotmistr60]

Su-27 "could for a short time enter Finnish airspace "

And the Finnish border guards "could" one step overstep the line of the Russian-Finnish border, so perhaps it is also necessary to schedule an investigation? Bad trends are in use today among "partners".

[mace]

Let them immediately print on toilet paper and send it to Russia