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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation responded to the US claims on the installation of the KR "Caliber" on the Russian icebreaker

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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation responded to the US claims on the installation of the KR "Caliber" on the Russian icebreaker

The US claims on arming the Russian icebreaker Ivan Papanin with the Kalibr cruise missiles are unfounded, since this ship is not a classic icebreaker. This was stated in an interview with RIA News Ambassador-at-Large of the Russian Foreign Ministry Nikolai Korchunov.


According to Korchunov, the statement by the commander of the US Navy in Europe and Africa, Admiral James Foggo, that the Russian icebreaker Ivan Papanin can carry the Kalibr cruise missiles on its board has no basis at all. This ship is not a classic icebreaker, it is an ice-class patrol vessel built for the Naval fleet Russia.

We are not aware of the allegations in question. (...) in relation to the Ivan Papanin icebreaker. (...) this is not a classic icebreaker, but a multifunctional patrol ship created for the Russian Navy. The fact that weapons are being installed on a warship should hardly raise questions, especially if these weapons do not contradict international agreements (...)

- explained the Russian diplomat.

He emphasized that the possibility of installing containers with Kalibr cruise missiles or Uran missiles on Russian icebreakers is only possible during a special period when these ships are involved in strengthening the Northern Fleet's naval grouping, whose area of ​​responsibility includes the entire NSR route, as well as the Arctic coast of Russia.

Korchunov also explained that the United States did not apply to Russia regarding the leasing or sale of icebreakers. According to him, the United States intends to lease several icebreakers in addition to its own, which will be built. However, Russia is not one of those countries from which the Americans would like to buy or rent icebreakers. Most likely, Washington will turn to Canada, Sweden and Finland on this issue.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 28 July 2020 10: 54 New
    -17 qualifying.
    What nonsense from partners!
    Just nonsense!
    However, often here, on VO, some will not read the article (albeit in Russian), will not try to delve into it, and they will write such heresy in the comments! ...
    And it is even more terrible that they will also be taught "pluses" ...
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 28 July 2020 11: 07 New
      17
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And it is even more terrible that they will also be taught "pluses" ...

      Are you really scared? laughing
      Do not be afraid! This is for fun laughing love
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 28 July 2020 11: 21 New
      45
      US icebreakers are not scary because they have not even conceived yet, and ours are scary because they exist.

      And it is even more terrible that they will also be taught "pluses" ...


      but I'm scared when I imagine how many Ukrainian soldiers could fight in the trenches, but they are fighting on the VO forum :(

      Now, how anger will be typed here, how minuses will be taught - and then how will they enter the battlefield and that's it. You will have to surrender, not otherwise

      Now I will pour salt for them on the wound in the area of ​​the dupa, because Ukraine does not have its own city of Ukrainian sailors :(



      gorgeous vidos on 4k - free the channel. Competent guys filmed.



      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 28 July 2020 11: 29 New
        22
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        Now I will pour salt for them on the wound in the area of ​​the dupa, because Ukraine does not have its own city of Ukrainian sailors :(


        And there was not when a two-headed eagle speaks about, and not a trident,
        at the Sunken Ships monument ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 28 July 2020 11: 31 New
          21
          but they can dislike on Putin's YouTube! and write in the topic about Russian nuclear-powered ships - how we lost everything!

          This is what she is - the guiding nature of a great nation, spelled out in the genetic code of the Great Ones since the Paleolithic times.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 28 July 2020 11: 33 New
            21
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            This is what she is - the guiding of a great nation

            There is rottenness, there is no nation!
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 28 July 2020 11: 34 New
              14
              There is rottenness, there is no nation!

              not to be us marshals in the VO. The diaspora on the road will fiercely punish the presumptuous Moksha people from the swamps

              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 28 July 2020 11: 34 New
                15
                But we will get to the bathhouse! As my father, the destroyer commander said - "To become an admiral, you need to stand under the latrine (toilet!) With a roll of toilet paper .... High bosses will definitely notice ...... Your business qualities"
              2. avg
                avg 28 July 2020 11: 53 New
                +8
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                not to be us marshals in the VO. The diaspora on the road will fiercely punish the presumptuous Moksha people from the swamps

                Do not worry, I have passed the glorious "combat path" from private to marshal and back, and did not notice the difference. They are also banned, kicked, and even the stopar is not poured on 23.02. So one fuck yes
          2. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 29 July 2020 16: 20 New
            0
            write in the topic about Russian nuclear-powered ships


            There were times when people from Ukraine could and commanded nuclear-powered ships. All this is in the past. Now only by boats. They chose their own path.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 28 July 2020 11: 54 New
        0
        Thank you for the video! Just like back 20 years ago ..))
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 28 July 2020 12: 02 New
          +7
          there are these guys who filmed in general, guys

          Timelab Pro - go to the channel on YouTube - Europe and the West admires the quality of work, editing and shooting in the comments

          The guys shoot in 4k and make very cool videos. everyone's internet lags at work - when a new video comes out and I put everything aside

          1. Dikson
            Dikson 28 July 2020 13: 00 New
            +2
            Their technique is serious .. and their hands grow from where they need it .. Inspire 2 is a good car ..
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 28 July 2020 13: 20 New
              0
              .Inspire 2 is a good car.

              and the camera is on fire
              thousand for 600 apparatus with a camera - like Lada Vesta from the factory
              1. Dikson
                Dikson 28 July 2020 13: 41 New
                +1
                I wonder how they fought with magnetic interference when filming on an icebreaker .. - In the same place, Dron's software starts to go crazy ..
                1. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 28 July 2020 14: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Dikson
                  I wonder how they fought with magnetic interference when filming on an icebreaker


                  Solid oil and alcohol. Syringe and lubricate.
                  1. Dikson
                    Dikson 28 July 2020 15: 51 New
                    +2
                    Not alcohol, but an awl ...)
                    1. sergo1914
                      sergo1914 29 July 2020 08: 07 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dikson
                      Not alcohol, but an awl ...)


                      Feng Shui. Shilo - they drink. Alcohol - lubricate, squirt and make lotions. Not the other way around. It's Complicated.
          2. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 28 July 2020 13: 36 New
            +2
            Our guys are the coolest !!!
      3. NOTaFED
        NOTaFED 28 July 2020 14: 40 New
        -1
        Competent guys filmed.

        Literate ... On the deck there are snowdrifts almost knee-deep ...
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 28 July 2020 15: 21 New
          -3
          Now look at the model of such a beautiful newest super-duper nuclear-powered ship with its closed tank, and tell us how it will be cleared of snow ..)))
      4. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 28 July 2020 14: 53 New
        0
        Thank! Shikardos. Long puzzled, why does he need a dovetail? This turned out to be for better passability in ice. Smart solution. And the inertia increases for a break and there is no collision when the icebreaker stops, it is again easier to take back
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 28 July 2020 15: 23 New
          -1
          "On the mustache" - that's how it is called ... When the ice is heavy .. It happens that the channel behind the icebreaker immediately closes due to the compression of the ice fields .. - then they take it on the mustache ...
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 28 July 2020 12: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What nonsense from partners!

      The mattresses were loosened because they had nothing to cover this map with. And in the USSR and later in the Russian Federation, all the icebreakers are DUAL. And on the same Arctic, it is easy to install not only Calibers, but also other complexes, such as Polyment, in a very short time. Fortunately, modularity allows.
      1. Machito
        Machito 28 July 2020 12: 38 New
        +6
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        What nonsense from partners!

        The mattresses were loosened because they had nothing to cover this map with. And in the USSR and later in the Russian Federation, all the icebreakers are DUAL. And on the same Arctic, it is easy to install not only Calibers, but also other complexes, such as Polyment, in a very short time. Fortunately, modularity allows.

        Sworn friends themselves suggest what the Russian Navy should be like: the Northern Icebreaker. Why does Russia need a bunch of aircraft carriers and destroyers? The shortest road to the United States is through the North Pole, and the American fleet, which is superior to the Russian in all theaters, is inferior to the Russian fleet in the northern theater of operations. We need to build up our advantage in this area, and not try to catch up with them in others. Let them try to catch up with us. We need more armed nuclear icebreakers that will be able to conduct convoys along the Northern Sea Route. Moreover, we know how to build icebreakers, but destroyers are not. How many missiles can be installed on the Leader icebreaker?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 28 July 2020 15: 15 New
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          Moreover, we know how to build icebreakers, but destroyers are not.

          Quiet, dear. We know how to build destroyers. Only in order to build a intelligible and powerful world-class destroyer, we are working out technologies on the Gorshkov (frigate), so that after the construction of the Supe-Gorshkovs of project 22350M.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 29 July 2020 04: 04 New
          +2
          strange, there are opponents of aircraft carriers, for "7x70 t VI" I always get cons.
          Really there will be no aircraft carriers in Russia and I am not alone in the universe?
    4. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 28 July 2020 22: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      What nonsense from partners!
      Just nonsense!

      They are not delusional, for these are their real thoughts and aspirations. yes
      Thus, they will no longer be surprised by their complaint that Russian tanks have KAZ and KDZ, and at the same time "dangerous and unprofessional"(c) armed with cannons. am wassat
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 28 July 2020 10: 57 New
    +3
    Russia is not one of those countries from which the Americans would like to buy or rent icebreakers. Most likely, Washington will turn to Canada, Sweden and Finland on this issue.

    Judging by the growing problems in this region, these countries themselves will need icebreakers. It was the Balts who gave their icebreaker for free to the Americans, if they had one.
  3. Dikson
    Dikson 28 July 2020 10: 58 New
    +3
    If necessary, all our icebreakers will carry weapons ... nuclear-powered ships for sure ... As for the United States - I remember there was a note about
    the American icebreaker fleet building program. They wrote a lot about the fact that they have no experience and there is a great need for a really powerful icebreaker fleet. I don't know about leasing, but I saw info that the Finns will definitely build icebreakers for them. And the Finns know how to build ships. Almost the entire powerful icebreaker fleet of the USSR, with the exception of nuclear-powered ships, was built by the Finns at the Wärtsilä shipyard.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 28 July 2020 11: 29 New
      +1
      finna and now we no no yes will place our order

      The shipyard in Helsinki was established in 1865, when Finland was part of the Russian Empire. Over the past 30 years, it has changed owners several times, owned by companies from Norway and South Korea. In 2011, USC entered its capital, which two years later became the sole owner.

    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 28 July 2020 12: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Dikson
      I don't know about leasing, but I saw info that the Finns will definitely build icebreakers for them.

      This is the same story for the United States on the issue of the icebreaker race, as we have on the issue of building aircraft carriers. Even if the United States prints money in three shifts, it will not quantitatively catch up with our icebreaker fleet, which is still being replenished and updated, just as we will not catch up with mattresses in terms of the number of aircraft carriers (which we do not need).
  4. Piramidon
    Piramidon 28 July 2020 11: 01 New
    +4
    He stressed that the possibility of installing containers with Kalibr cruise missiles or Uranium anti-ship missiles on Russian icebreakers possible only during a special periodwhen these ships are involved in strengthening the ship grouping of the Northern Fleet, whose area of ​​responsibility includes the entire route of the NSR, as well as the Arctic coast of Russia.

    So, so that this "special period" does not come, you need to load these containers on all icebreakers and not advertise too much. Let them be, just in case.
  5. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 28 July 2020 11: 06 New
    +1
    Put James on a good Cord song ...
    1. Ren
      Ren 28 July 2020 12: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Arthur 85
      Put James on a good Cord song ...

      This is what? Road? wink
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 28 July 2020 15: 15 New
        +1
        Yes sir. And he must also send a snake and a turtle from the Moscow zoo. A person without pets is bored.
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 28 July 2020 11: 06 New
    12
    [qu ... this is not a classic icebreaker, but a multifunctional patrol ship created for the Russian Navy. [/ quote]
    I immediately remembered an old anecdote about "a simple Soviet tractor peacefully plowing" ... laughing
  7. Mouse
    Mouse 28 July 2020 11: 09 New
    10
    Our icebreakers ... we put what we want! yes
    even more so if these weapons do not contradict international agreements
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 July 2020 12: 00 New
      +4
      We can put it near Alaska, but in our waters ... lol
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 28 July 2020 11: 11 New
    +2
    Empty chatter, because the time has come for them to show concern for what we have / will have, but they were out of business.
    Here's an interesno, their main intereses are usually much to the south, they sho and soaped up in the north? What for?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 July 2020 11: 16 New
      15
      Quote: rocket757
      Empty chatter, because the time has come for them to show concern for what we have / will have, but they were out of business.
      Here's an interesno, their main intereses are usually much to the south, they sho and soaped up in the north? What for?

      And what can they do but bark if in the Arctic they cannot oppose us with anything other than their own interests and concerns.

      laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 July 2020 11: 36 New
        +5
        In their rules to rattle with their power .... although on the servers everything is much more difficult and the AUG is sent there as it is not comme il faut, it may work, again.
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 July 2020 11: 56 New
          +7
          They have nothing to do in our North, we have been mastering it for more than one century, so let them go through the forest. Greetings! hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 00 New
            +1
            Welcome soldier
            So far they have nothing special to stick in there. Trump's plans, they are plans ... although, having the resource of the printing press, you can afford a lot.
            Time will tell what and who does better.
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 July 2020 12: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: rocket757

              Time will tell what and who does better.


              And it works for us, let them deal with their problems, and not consider what we are putting and where ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 08 New
                +2
                Yes, that's it. Their paws are heavy, but there is no need to talk about a long nose, they pop everywhere!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 28 July 2020 12: 35 New
                  +3
                  It hurts them to be long and curious, no matter what happens ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 43 New
                    +1
                    So it should be given for those degrees and nose, so that it would not be good. Those guys, the argument is less than the Colt, do not perceive at all.
                    Although for many, the argument is overweight! This time has come now.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 12: 46 New
                      +4
                      Well, this "icebreaker" just can support any diplomatic arguments ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 52 New
                        +1
                        Our Arctic expanses, frontiers, great. You can get lost on them so that no one will find ... and the minke whales have nothing to do there and nothing with. Let it be for now.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 28 July 2020 13: 02 New
                        +3
                        They do not like when it is cold and harsh, so they will not appear there, and if they appear, then not for long ...
                2. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 16: 15 New
                  +2
                  It hurts them long and curious ... evil tongues say that the most curious gopher is the first to get a bumper in the face
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 28 July 2020 16: 32 New
                    +2
                    This is what awaits them ... yes
                    1. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 16: 37 New
                      +1
                      This is what awaits them ....... yes no. in the case of the striped ones, the old woman is waiting for the clitoris, aaaaa or rather the clinton. and this will no longer be a bumper but a porter
                    2. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 16: 39 New
                      +2
                      The meaning does not change from this, maybe Uncle Xi can take a ride ...
                    3. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 16: 46 New
                      +1
                      .... The meaning does not change from this, ...... in principle, yes, the striped ones are now in a tailspin.
                      sanctions -shmanations. and things are getting worse and worse, and soon everyone will be transferred to transportable houses
                    4. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 16: 53 New
                      +2
                      They launched themselves into this tailspin and continue to strengthen it ...
                    5. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 17: 00 New
                      +1
                      They launched themselves into this tailspin and continue to strengthen it ....... and what is strange after Abrok Nabama (who tore something there), nothing was done to stabilize .... damn, well, make peace in the whole world and it will be good for everyone, and apples have bloomed a long time ago on Mars ... no. you need a golden billion and let everything else die .... well, I can't understand the striped ones ..... ordinary people like people .... the same worries and grieves and joy as we have .... why such neglect of others. ... it just doesn't fit in my mind
                    6. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 17: 46 New
                      +2
                      Greed does not lead to good, they are "exceptional", so they will exclude them all ...
                    7. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 29 July 2020 07: 51 New
                      +1
                      so they will exclude them all ... but they will exclude them, because it’s not the blacks to lick their boots and climb on all fours, ... but at the expense of everything ... it’s unlikely, until the greenspink machine prints in Fort Knox, then greed cannot be won. It was high time to jump back when the money was real. copper, silver. gold and not pieces of paper, but really crazy with this cryptocurrency
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 28 July 2020 14: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: cniza
    They have nothing to do in our North, we have been mastering it for more than one century

    And it's all no use ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 July 2020 15: 27 New
      +2
      It depends on who and why, our ancestors knew what they were doing ...
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 28 July 2020 15: 36 New
        -4
        What was so important that “our ancestors” did in the Arctic?
        1. cniza
          cniza 28 July 2020 15: 45 New
          +2
          Here's the enlightenment:

          https://fb.ru/article/162045/osvoenie-arktiki-rossiey-istoriya-strategiya-osvoeniya-arktiki
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 28 July 2020 16: 01 New
            -5
            Well, yes.
            What are you all primitive ...
            Well, tell in your own words - why do you personally need this
            An Arctic you know nothing about?
            1. cniza
              cniza 28 July 2020 16: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              What was so important that "our ancestors" did in the Arctic? .... Dezhnev collected bribes. and Bereng discovered a lot of things, Papanin proved that it is possible to make a base on the drift, and now the endless bowels of hydrocarbons on the shelf of the Arctic Ocean have been opened, ... this is thanks to them


              Here's another person writing to you, but you can see it is boring, find yourself another and fool him ...
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 28 July 2020 16: 42 New
                -3
                Immediately I answer both.
                I lived near Murmansk for over 10 years,
                my father served there, defended his homeland,
                flew over the sea, from AUG "fought off".
                Then I grew up and ended up there again, too
                he flew, defended his homeland, and "fought back" from AUG.
                And I had to visit Tiksi ...
                It was bad there, cold, and even hungry.
                Mineral resources ..., hydrocarbons ... So it's not yours!
                For example, the city of Norilsk - Potanin ... And so
                all subsoil and hydrocarbons.
                "Patriots"? Or... ?
              2. cniza
                cniza 28 July 2020 16: 45 New
                +4
                Wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl to the cemetery, everything is gone and you don't want anything, and you don't need to ...
              3. Bez 310
                Bez 310 28 July 2020 16: 54 New
                -4
                That is, apart from such vulgarities, there is nothing to tell you?
                Explain why you personally need "Votetovse" - Arctic, icebreakers with
                "Caliber", "historically formed" Northern latitudinal
                move, ... can't you? Why can't you? Maybe it's not for you
                is it necessary?
              4. cniza
                cniza 28 July 2020 17: 02 New
                +4
                You wrote ?
                It was bad there, cold, and even hungry.
                Mineral resources ..., hydrocarbons ... So it's not yours!


                I may not need it, the state needs it ...
              5. Bez 310
                Bez 310 28 July 2020 17: 07 New
                -3
                Well yes...
                Okay, that's it.
              6. cniza
                cniza 28 July 2020 17: 51 New
                +2
                And all the best to you ...
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 28 July 2020 20: 22 New
          +1
          And I like the way he sings, but I know for sure that there were NEVER AUG in the northern seas, even at the latitude of Norway, and not something higher ... yes
        3. cniza
          cniza 28 July 2020 20: 52 New
          +4
          He does not sing, he scares himself and contradicts himself, and Nick is appropriate ...
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 17: 11 New
      0
      Mineral resources ..., hydrocarbons ... So this is not yours! ............. but I do not care about the ownership or management of someone, it is important for me that gas is 5 rubles per cubic meter. and gasoline is 44 rubles per liter (well, diesel is nearby) ... and now look at the Western countries and you will understand everything ..... but the fact that your family defended your homeland from AUG is certainly worthy of respect and reverence, come to us in the Crimea, by the way, soon they will be visiting me from Komsomolsk on the Amur, we are friends. and we have different opinions but we are friends
    3. Bez 310
      Bez 310 28 July 2020 17: 46 New
      -3
      I have been to Crimea very often, I have a Yalta wife.
      And flew in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    4. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 29 July 2020 07: 39 New
      0
      I have a Yalta wife ....... that's great, there is something to compare with
    5. Bez 310
      Bez 310 29 July 2020 08: 39 New
      -2
      I don't think they can be compared.
      I have more than 22 calendar years of service in the Naval Aviation.
    6. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 29 July 2020 08: 49 New
      0
      my more than 22 calendar years of service in the Naval Aviation ... and this is how it has something to do with icebreakers, except in small aviation ... vooschet about the comparison of how things are in the Crimea and how on the other side of the ball. that is, in Komsomolsk
    7. Bez 310
      Bez 310 29 July 2020 09: 03 New
      -2
      This is about "there is something to compare with", but in fact -
      pure water flood. That's it, I stop there for anyone
      unnecessary conversation.
    8. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 29 July 2020 09: 26 New
      0
      not the right conversation ..... yes waxet is not a conversation but a dispute ... what have you to do with the question asked .... you will allow strangers to rummage in your bins ..... if so, for what reason ..... there is only one reason. ...cowardice
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 29 July 2020 07: 59 New
    +1
    Well, tell in your own words - why do you personally need this
    An Arctic you don't know anything about? ....... The Arctic is a storeroom. and that no one would have rummaged icebreakers are needed ..... now a counter question. .... will you let someone else rummage through your closet? or you have no apartment or house. and live in a trailer? or in a tent all year round .... well, answer ....
  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 16: 20 New
    +3
    What was so important that "our ancestors" did in the Arctic? .... Dezhnev collected bribes. and Bereng discovered a lot of things, Papanin proved that it is possible to make a base on the drift, and now the endless bowels of hydrocarbons on the shelf of the Arctic Ocean have been opened, ... this is thanks to them
  • cniza
    cniza 28 July 2020 11: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    Empty chatter, because the time has come for them to show concern for what we have / will have, but they were out of business.
    Here's an interesno, their main intereses are usually much to the south, they sho and soaped up in the north? What for?


    They are worried all over their heads, it is bad that they have lost all sanity.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 03 New
      +1
      After Kisenzhdezh, who else can be considered a serious person ??? If anyone is, they keep quiet or quietly advise someone not from the first line in their policy ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 July 2020 12: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        If anyone is, they keep quiet or quietly advise someone not from the first line in their policy ...


        Where will they come from, if all the developments and institutes have been liquidated, which studied and studied the USSR - Russia.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 13 New
          +1
          Now I will not name the names and the place where a group of serious, knowledgeable analysts, experts still survived ... but they named people who are better off believing that in a quiet, minke whales have someone to make high-quality forecasts and their advice could be taken more seriously.
          Only the top ones, theirs, others now have concerns.
          As always, they don't want to listen to smart advice.
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 July 2020 12: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            Now I will not name the names and the place where a group of serious, knowledgeable analysts, experts still survived ... but called people who are better off believing that in a quiet, minke whales have someone to make high-quality forecasts and advice


            It looks like they were recognized as agents of the Kremlin-Putin, and at best they are simply silent ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 28 July 2020 12: 47 New
              +1
              Satanovsky had a serious expert on the other side. He is just in the know who and how they are listening now ... or rather, to the mess that is happening now.
              By the way, then the possibility of current events was warned very seriously. Nothing happens just like that, everything has prerequisites !!!
              1. cniza
                cniza 28 July 2020 13: 00 New
                +2
                Probably Dmitry Sainz, but they don't listen to him either, although he has weight ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 28 July 2020 13: 05 New
                  +1
                  No, for them, it means OUR specialist in that area.
                  Of course, this is the popularization of the topic, they never seem to be everything, but it's interesting and so.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 28 July 2020 13: 13 New
                    +2
                    There are such "ours" a dime a dozen, but he is really literate ...
                    From his office, the white house is visible and he loves to flaunt it ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 28 July 2020 13: 49 New
                      +1
                      I listened to Sainz. It is equally interesting to listen to our experts who do their job well.
                      Now I will prepare the car for MOT, turn on whatever is interesting and I will be enlightened.
                    2. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 13: 51 New
                      +2
                      Yes, we have a strong school - the Institute of Canada and the USA, and it is not the only one ...
                    3. rocket757
                      rocket757 28 July 2020 16: 49 New
                      +1
                      Po trained his sciatica, now a smoke break!
                      In all normal states they understand that first of all it is necessary to study the enemy, direct or potential, ALL. Yes, we must not forget about "friends" too!
                      When you see, listen to, a real specialist, it is always interesting and informative.
                    4. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 16: 54 New
                      +2
                      Professionals are always in demand and keep themselves in touch ...
                    5. rocket757
                      rocket757 28 July 2020 17: 01 New
                      +1
                      I listened to Bagdasarov ... he lights it up like a red-hot iron !!! Warns, over and over again!
                      He speaks in a peculiar way, of course, but often he hits the bull's-eye.
                      Experience, however, and a person is not indifferent to our country.
                      Who would have listened to him from the present. Of them, he himself with a mustache, not ah how it turns out, but all the same, his nose is torn to the top.
                    6. cniza
                      cniza 28 July 2020 17: 50 New
                      +2
                      And he pours in facts, figures and all without a piece of paper ... a great clever girl.
  • Crash
    Crash 28 July 2020 15: 28 New
    +2
    What for?

    Shh. In secret. Hydrocarbons have been found in the Arctic, so democracy must be urgently brought to the aggressive wild region. And then there are even African Americans and LGBT people in the afternoon with fire ... request
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 28 July 2020 11: 12 New
    +1
    Americans live in their own paradigm, from which someone pulls out a puzzle and everything collapses.
    1. saylor1971
      saylor1971 28 July 2020 15: 48 New
      -2
      For some reason, you all forget about the constant presence of US submarines in the Arctic. Such submarines carry CR, (from 12 - Los Angeles, to 154 - converted Ohio) that can strike at a distance of up to 1600 km. This is not counting the torpedoes and the possible return of the Tomahamk KR in the anti-ship missile version.
      https://topwar.ru/137798-vms-ssha-proveli-ucheniya-v-arktike.html
      And where is the submarine of the Russian Federation (how many? What are the possibilities (especially for maintaining a database under ice)?
      1. saylor1971
        saylor1971 28 July 2020 15: 53 New
        -2
        I’m already silent, what will happen to this icebreaker, if it finds something like the patrol Poseidon with an anti-ship missile, from which you can’t hide, and there is practically no cover aviation (except for single MiG-31s), whose aerodromes are vulnerable and not all-weather according to the conditions take-off landing.
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 28 July 2020 16: 27 New
        -1
        Such submarines carry CR, ...... last year the shoto there is striped in the Arctic frozen, tea not ogay? or dosangeles ......... shota is not very scary
      3. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 28 July 2020 17: 30 New
        +1
        We do not forget anything, therefore we are strengthening the army and navy. Don't worry and sleep well.
        1. saylor1971
          saylor1971 30 July 2020 22: 27 New
          0
          This strengthening is extremely insufficient. Compare the quantity and quality of strike aircraft, the number of strike UAVs, the command and control automation systems, and even the presence of the GPA and the latest torpedoes on the submarine.
      4. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 28 July 2020 22: 28 New
        -1
        These submarines go under the ice and probably can surface there? Something for a long time I have not heard about such feats of NATO submariners, maybe they have already learned to float in the ice, but I still do not know, let me know when to start afraid of tomahawks from under the ice.
        1. saylor1971
          saylor1971 30 July 2020 22: 24 New
          0
          Here's from the freshest. The emergence of USS Toledo
          Подробнее на РБК: https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5e67ea049a7947a3dc8b2c15
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3XYFN5VdNg
          Arctic Ocean. Surfacing of submarines # NATO.
          US nuclear submarine "Hartford" type "Los Angeles"
          4:22 British nuclear submarine "Trenshant" class "Trafalgar"
          https://topwar.ru/137798-vms-ssha-proveli-ucheniya-v-arktike.html
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 July 2020 11: 13 New
    +3
    Poor fellows, striped ones are already jarring from the fact that there are so many icebreakers in Russia, and even in the future there are "combat icebreakers", and the United States is scratching its turnips, what to do now ...
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 28 July 2020 11: 20 New
      -8
      Yes, there is nothing that bothers anyone there ..
      Ordinary Americans do not care about all this, generals work off their salaries .. what they need, they declare when they come to work in the morning .. Or Trump cannot sleep without icebreakers ??
      In this case, the phrase "the United States is scratching its reputation" is something like saying that after the launch of an American spacecraft, "Rogozin is jarring, while Russia is scratching its turnips."
      Of course, no one here scratches anything, and no one is jarred by anything .. The same is true for uni there ..
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 28 July 2020 15: 07 New
        0
        I am not speaking for ordinary Americans and not for bureaucratic generals, but for the military, who understand everything for sure and really assess the situation. Underneath their chatter (solid show), there are precisely those moments that excite them. If they didn't care, they didn't show it.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 July 2020 11: 15 New
    +4
    There is a lot of space on the deck for containers, but what will be in them? God alone will know the crew. repeat
  • Alien From
    Alien From 28 July 2020 11: 18 New
    +4
    The nose would have to pinch them a little bit like that.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 July 2020 11: 21 New
    +4
    And what do the Americans care what we put on their ships. I don't think it was worth explaining to them either, because may seem like an excuse. And if you answer, then it is short, for example: we do not tell you what to put on your ships, so you slowly rake it off the board.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 11: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And what do the Americans care what we put on their ships. I don't think it was worth explaining to them either, because may seem like an excuse.

      It was enough to indicate that their AUG did not approach the borders of the Russian Federation closer to the flight range of the "Dagger" + the combat radius of the carrier aircraft (720 km) ... yes
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 28 July 2020 11: 55 New
        -1
        Ross, about daggers and AUG - Platoshkin says that there is no confrontation with the United States. Do you know why he decided that?
        What's going on in your party? In a nutshell.
        Or is he this exception after working in the USA?

        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 12: 02 New
          0
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          Platoshkin says that there is no confrontation with the United States. Do you know why he decided that?

          If Platoshkin spoke, it was only about the fact that the United States did not attack Russia (USSR) after WWII, and China did it 2 times ...
          stop True, there was an incident in 1950, but it was caused by the following:
          Not so long ago, one of the owners of the Coca-Cola Bottling Co. in Washington to the question of a Russian journalist: “What do you know about the incident that occurred in 1950 at the Sukhaya Rechka airfield? In your opinion, was it a provocation or a mistake? " answered: "This incident has become a disgrace to the United States. The very idea that the two pilots did not know where they were, did not know the location of the Soviet border, and were unable to understand which airfield they were attacking seems incredible.
          The United States said the strike was hit due to a navigation error and an incorrect assessment of the situation. The Air Force commander was withdrawn, and the pilots punished. States offered to pay the damage. USSR decided not to inflate scandal».

          Thus, the NNP clarified that Russia should not fear the United States more than China. That's all ... yes
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 28 July 2020 12: 16 New
            -2
            That's all ...

            Yes? well, okay) otherwise I thought at the conservatory everything was not very good

            It seemed that agents of the West were all around hi
  • demo
    demo 28 July 2020 11: 30 New
    +2
    He emphasized that the possibility of installing containers with Kalibr cruise missiles or Uran missiles on Russian icebreakers is only possible during a special period when these ships are involved in strengthening the Northern Fleet's naval grouping, whose area of ​​responsibility includes the entire NSR route, as well as the Arctic coast of Russia.

    After that I remembered the anegdote of my youth.
    When, at the provocation of the Chinese, we, the USSR, brought out seeders-winders with vertical take-off, for flights into near space.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 28 July 2020 11: 31 New
    +5
    So the echo of the naval parade in Kronstadt manifested itself. It turns out that there is a fleet and we will supply calibers and zircons. Do not sit out behind a puddle as in WWI and WWII.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 28 July 2020 11: 34 New
    +6
    US claims for the installation of the KR "Caliber" on the Russian icebreaker


    First, the United States publicly discusses how to take the NSR away from Russia and make it international, and then expresses concern that Russian ice-class patrol ships are armed.
    Circus with horses and nothing more.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 July 2020 11: 53 New
      +5
      They are "exceptional" ... brains are completely excluded.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 11: 46 New
    +2
    Strictly ro text:
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation responded to the US claims on the installation of the KR "Caliber" on the Russian icebreaker

    Russian diplomat ...

    ... explained ...

    ... that the possibility of installing containers with Kalibr cruise missiles or Uran missiles on Russian icebreakers is possible only during a special period when these ships are involved in strengthening the Northern Fleet's naval grouping, whose area of ​​responsibility includes the entire NSR route, as well as the Arctic coast of Russia ...

    ... and only hypersonic Zircons will be installed there on a permanent basis.
    lol
  • cniza
    cniza 28 July 2020 11: 52 New
    +2
    We are not aware of the allegations in question. (...) in relation to the Ivan Papanin icebreaker. (...) this is not a classic icebreaker, but a multifunctional patrol ship created for the Russian Navy. The fact that weapons are being installed on a warship should hardly raise questions, especially if these weapons do not contradict international agreements (...)


    Why do we have to explain something to someone? all in the forest ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 July 2020 12: 10 New
    0
    The admiral is behind or the reconnaissance is not working well. We are finishing the drifting platform. They are freezing in the ice and will be drifting in the Arctic Ocean for years. That's where the MO can turn.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 28 July 2020 13: 10 New
      +2
      In general, your idea is not devoid of sense and logic ..)) We have accumulated a gigantic experience of "SP" stations, maps of currents, bottom topography, movements of ice fields .. - all this was recorded and analyzed over the years of research. "freezing" in the right place a platform with a reactor for power supply and loading it with a "payload" is quite feasible. Are they building ice-class drilling platforms? It is also possible to build a floating island of reinforced concrete .. With a runway ..)) There would be a desire ..
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 28 July 2020 13: 12 New
    -1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    What nonsense from partners!
    Just nonsense!
    However, often here, on VO, some will not read the article (albeit in Russian), will not try to delve into it, and they will write such heresy in the comments! ...
    And it is even more terrible that they will also be taught "pluses" ...

    And this is for protection and protection from pirates. Here!
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 28 July 2020 13: 13 New
    0
    The "partners" started to fuss.
    The United States calls on Russia to stop developing the latest nuclear-powered missiles. This was stated by the US President's Special Envoy for Arms Control Marshall Billingsley.

    The United States has once again accused Russia of testing anti-satellite weapons. Following the United States, Britain was also concerned about testing space weapons.

    Now they don't like Russian icebreakers. But they argued that the Russian economy was torn to shreds.
  • Avior
    Avior 28 July 2020 13: 14 New
    0
    It depends on how the documents are drawn up.
    If, as a civilian ship, then there should be no missiles, if this is a Navy ship, then the Americans are not concerned, why missiles ...
    But in general, the gun is there constantly, it is, by definition, a warship
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 28 July 2020 13: 21 New
      0
      There is even an archive photo of "Arctic" with a cannon on the tank.
      1. Avior
        Avior 28 July 2020 13: 42 New
        -1
        I have not seen such a photo, but For civilian courts, they often provided for the possibility of arming in wartime, with a transfer to an auxiliary combat strength, so it could well stand during tests, for example
        The salute cannon could still stand, for example.
        But you need to watch how the type of ship or vessel is recorded in the Register Book
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 28 July 2020 16: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        There is even an archive photo of "Arctic" with a cannon on the tank.

        This is a photo from the tests of weapons according to the mobvariant - in case of the mobilization of ALED in the Navy. EMNIP, for ALED it was planned to install two AK-176 and four AK-630 with the corresponding SUAO.
        After the tests, the gun mounts were removed. But the radar MR-123 on the "Soviet Union" and "Russia" remained for the entire service life - the gray body of the radar is clearly visible against the background of the orange superstructure. Below, closer to the nose - the foundation of the AK-176.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 28 July 2020 16: 40 New
          0
          Found a photo. Russia howled [I can't live. hi
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 28 July 2020 16: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Found a photo. Russia howled [I can't live. hi

            Bow group: 1 AK-176, 2 AK-630.

            Feed group: 1 AK-176, 2 AK-630.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 28 July 2020 13: 41 New
    0
    Our icebreaker, whatever we want, we install it. Something a central brain crisis has developed in minke whales. Do everything at their command ... They will grind ...
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 28 July 2020 14: 44 New
    +2
    Representatives of the Russian Federation are making excuses again.
    When will they finally just send to ...?
    Or at least just ignore it!
    Who cares about Russian icebreakers and what? If you don't like it, build your own, with peaceful mops, but Russians like to build with "Calibers" !!!
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 28 July 2020 15: 17 New
      0
      Representatives of the Russian Federation are making excuses again.
      "
      This is not an excuse. This is a job. Answer questions from any press. Its representatives can ask any nonsense, but it must be answered correctly.
      1. Gloomy skeptic
        Gloomy skeptic 28 July 2020 15: 19 New
        -1
        This is not work, this is insanity.
        Everyone will carry nonsense and must be answered? And when a dog barks on the street - should you also bark in response? And who will be this responsible person by profession?
  • Lumumbo
    Lumumbo 28 July 2020 16: 05 New
    0
    We have the right icebreakers in Russia!
    He stressed that the possibility of installing containers with Kalibr cruise missiles or Uranium anti-ship missiles on Russian icebreakers is possible only during a special period when these vessels are involved to strengthen the ship's grouping

    And not only icebreakers can be equipped with such containers! Well done our Kulibins from the military-industrial complex! All the scavengers have become quiet ..
  • voenmor
    voenmor 28 July 2020 17: 53 New
    +1
    Americans are used to coming up with rules for all states: how to live, whom to love, what to sell, what to build.
  • ltc22A
    ltc22A 28 July 2020 19: 31 New
    0
    And what is the relation of ASP (North American states) to OUR ships?
  • Takashi
    Takashi 28 July 2020 19: 41 New
    -1
    it's so incomprehensible - is it an "icebreaker" Ivan Papanin "" or an ice-class patrol ship or a scow with a reactor?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 July 2020 00: 49 New
    0
    Logically, I put on any ship Caliber, and already a patrol ship.
  • Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 29 July 2020 00: 54 New
    +1
    Caliber is not bad, but it would be useful to install a good air defense system on them, at least for self-defense.
  • georggy
    georggy 29 July 2020 14: 19 New
    0
    Can also provide reports on used toilet paper.
  • alexvmar
    alexvmar 29 July 2020 15: 24 New
    0
    How much I like the arrangement with the pennies, in which they believed they would have a lifetime profit. And then they got a rotten fish in their brazen self-satisfied face, one, two ... and all the time now.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 29 July 2020 17: 16 New
    0
    The Yankees were worried (although it is more correct to pind .... sy) a few years earlier. Then at the international military exhibition they showed container installations for the Republic of Kazakhstan Yakhont and Bramos. The point is that containers are universal, which container ships move tens of thousands across the seas. Those. any dry cargo ship may have a URO battery.
  • Georgievic
    Georgievic 29 July 2020 21: 34 New
    +1
    It is annoying that every time the officials of the Russian Federation are engaged in a tedious explanation, this is not a tsarist business !! It would be correct to just send them to XYZ !!!
  • My_log_in
    My_log_in 30 July 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    Based on what considerations do we give answers to unasked questions (that is, we explain ourselves, sometimes in an apologetic tone) ??? Concerns here, and the situation in Belarus ... Sometimes already infuriates hi