The first and only customer: Azerbaijan awaits delivery of a fighter-attack aircraft

Deliveries of the M-346FA Fighter Attack light combat trainer produced by the Italian Leonardo corporation are expected to begin in 2021. At present, Azerbaijan is the first and only customer of this model.

As explained in the corporation, the M-346FA variant differs from the base model primarily in the optimized Grifo radar station. The first successful flight took place on 13 July.

With this latest advancement, the more versatile M-346 fighter-attack aircraft will soon join the most advanced training aircraft.

- explained in the corporation.

As indicated, the M-346FA allows not only to conduct pilot training, but also through the integration of new equipment to use the machine as an "effective light attack aircraft."

UBS M-346 is one of the branches of the development of a once single platform, developed in cooperation with Russia. In the Russian Federation, this and failed project of cooperation eventually resulted in the Yak-130, which is actively entering the country's armed forces as a training "desk". At the same time, the Italian company is positioning its analogue M-346 as the only creation worthy of attention.

The M-346 is the most advanced jet trainer

- says the company’s website.

Comments

[Insurgent]

UBS M-346 is one of the branches of the development of a once single platform, developed in cooperation with Russia. In the Russian Federation, this and failed project of cooperation eventually resulted in the Yak-130, which is actively entering the country's armed forces as a training "desk". At the same time, the Italian company is positioning its analogue M-346 as the only creation worthy of attention.

Competition however ,market where every sandpiper praises his swamp ...

[Invoce]

Quote: Insurgent

UBS M-346 is one of the branches of the development of a once single platform, developed in cooperation with Russia. In the Russian Federation, this and failed project of cooperation eventually resulted in the Yak-130, which is actively entering the country's armed forces as a training "desk". At the same time, the Italian company is positioning its analogue M-346 as the only creation worthy of attention.

Competition however ,market where every sandpiper praises his swamp ...

That's all the differences between Azerbaijan and Armenia ... Armenia buys airplanes in Russia, and is oriented, although not 100% towards Russia, and Azerbaijan is oriented towards Turkey, and Amerov, although he does not quarrel with Russia, does not buy equipment from Russia ... And the Yak-130 is a direct competitor to the Italian flying desk, all the more so in Algeria it is used in full, in fact, the leader tests of this aircraft are carried out there in all modes and conditions.

[pavelty]

Well, don't limit ... Algeria, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Belarus, etc. I'm talking about the Yak-130)

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Invoce

Armenia buys planes in Russia, and is oriented, though not 100% toward Russia, while Azerbaijan is oriented toward Turkey, and Amerov, although he does not quarrel with Russia, does not buy equipment from Russia.

Armenia takes on credit, which is not a fact that it will not be written off later. And Azerbaijan buys for real money, including from Russia - the same S-300, T-90, TOS-1A "Solntsepek", helicopters Mi-35M and Mi-17-1V and many other equipment. Armenia has been surpassed many times in terms of volumes, I generally keep quiet about the money paid. In general, the amazing memory of local "patriots" is limited to the intervals of TV programs on the first channels

[Piramidon]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Armenia has been surpassed many times in terms of volumes, I generally keep quiet about the money paid.

They forgot to add about how now Armenia (Pashinyan's government) "pours slop" on Russia.

[Piramidon]

At least look at who you answer.
PS But what about the dog? You bark - the wind carries.

[the finish]

Yesterday and today, according to RBC, Pashinyan very much admired Russia and confirmed his orientation towards the Russian Federation.

[Snail N9]

Naturally. Armenians can not feel at ease anywhere except in Russia, because everywhere: in Europe, in the USA, they need to work in order to survive, this is not in Russia, where it is enough for them to crawl into the power structures, drag their relatives there and not do nichrome, demanding bribes and "gratitude" for their work or to control the markets and various "eateries" in the resorts ... So that the Armenians will never get away from Russia, despite being called "Caucasian Jews" ...

[vindigo]

Let them not adhere. Before the Jews, they are like from Yerevan to Beijing. Compare Israel and Armenia.

[bayard]

As far as I heard, Azerbaijan tried to order combat aircraft from Russia. Su-30 and even Su-35, but to please the whims of Armenia he was refused. Therefore, the Italian analogue was ordered - there is no way to take from Russia. The US and the EU also do not seem to be selling - as a party to the conflict.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: bayard

Su-30 and even Su-35, but to please the whims of Armenia he was refused. Therefore, the Italian analogue was ordered - there is no way to take from Russia

To put it mildly, they are not analogues. The Italian is 4 times smaller than the Su30. Completely different classes. Azerbaijan already has an M-346 in a training version, they bought an armed version for them, it is quite logical.

[bayard]

I meant an analogue of our Yak-130, I just didn't make it clear.

[Grazdanin]

Then ok The YAK does not have a radar, all the more so with AFAR, if they took ours they would immediately buy modernization from Israel.

[genisis]

You missed again.

To please the whims of Armenia

Will Russia do something to please the whims of Armenia? Isn't it a great honor? ))
Russia does not sell modern combat aircraft to Azerbaijan, because it does not consider Azerbaijan an ally, which can be strengthened by such a sale.
As for the armored combat vehicles, self-propelled guns and, especially, the TOS-1A, Azerbaijan has nowhere else to buy them. Turkish self-propelled guns Fyrtyn with German engines, and the Germans are blocking the sale to the conflict zone, the Turkish MBT Altai - at the time of Azerbaijan's purchase of the T-90, was also only on paper, without its own chassis and engine. The partners of Azerbaijan do not produce systems similar to TOS-1A. You'd better take a look at other types of weapons that Azerbaijan could have bought from manufacturers other than Russia. And he did it. Israel, Czech Republic, Belarus, Ukraine. Azerbaijan bought everything that it could not buy from the Russian Federation.
Only he has a problem with airplanes.
Pakistan has been promising to deliver JF for many years, but things are still there. Because China cannot produce enough engines for them. And the Pakistanis themselves do not produce engines at all.
So the military and political leadership of the Russian Federation is much better than the "experts" in the military to assess the situation with the "allied" orientation of Azerbaijan, so Russian aircraft are not supplied to Azerbaijan.
After the clash on July 12-16 of which year, Turkey held a meeting with Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.
It would seem, what should the "friends" of the Russian Federation do at the same table with the "ancient ally" of Russia, Azerbaijan?
There is a saying: "If a cat has united with a dog, then this is nothing but an alliance against the cook."

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: genisis

Will Russia do something to please the whims of Armenia? Isn't it a great honor? ))

The answer is no. We don't need this. Russia will not sign this unhealthy movement. About the powerful Armenian diaspora ?! Maybe she should look at the Jews and start building and cultivating her country. They need a fortress-house in any case, otherwise sooner or later they will dissolve ...

Quote: genisis

Pakistan has been promising to deliver JF for many years, but things are still there. Because China cannot produce enough engines for them. And the Pakistanis themselves do not produce engines at all.

And he will not deliver. Pakistani cars fly on Russian RD-93 engines. Ketai analogue of G ... Yes, and with their production as it is not very. Output. Azerbaijan will not receive JF-17 from the word at all, despite loud statements and repeated ones .. So the uryakalka sounded below that next year there are 2 squadrons of Leopards right away right away! No, it won't work. This chatter has been going on for at least several years.
Azerbaijan's only way out is to buy up MiG-29s, which can be restored from Ukraine, or to ask for the Turk F-16. Which is doubtful. I do not know what is written there under the terms of the agreements.
We do not need a war in the Caucasus. We don't need Turkey there either - Azerbaijan should be good at it on the nose ..

[bayard]

The mistake was made much earlier - Gorbachev's support for the claim of Armenian nationalists in their territorial claims in 1990. Having suppressed the insurrection in Azerbaijan in January 1990, the separatist bacchanalia in Armenia was not suppressed, their militants were not disarmed and neutralized, their party and state parties were not removed leaders. The central leadership then took an obviously pro-Armenian position, pushing Azerbaijan away from itself and only aggravating this injustice in the future.
It was a series of mistakes.
That is why, except for Turkey, Azerbaijan had no one to turn to. And this is losing 20% ​​of its territory.
On the other hand, Azerbaijan is much more interesting for Russia as a trade partner and transit territory for international projects. A lot of Turks live in Russia and the CSTO countries, and supporting Armenia in its unfair, aggressive claims, Russia willy-nilly turns them against itself.
This is unreasonable and illogical.
To harmonize relations with its neighbors and partners in the CIS, the CSTO and the Eurasian Union, Russia needs to normalize relations with Azerbaijan, recognize its correctness in its desire to restore territorial integrity and recognize it as a victim of the Armenian aggression.
It will benefit everyone. Including Armenia, depriving it of the illusion of impunity.
I believe that such a policy towards Azerbaijan and Armenia will be useful for Russia.
It is for Russia.
For it will be fair and reasonable.
Armenians may have a different opinion, but this will not be either fair or useful.
For Russia .

Quote: genisis

After the clash on July 12-16 of which year, Turkey held a meeting with Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.
It would seem, what should the "friends" of the Russian Federation do at the same table with the "ancient ally" of Russia, Azerbaijan?
There is a saying: "If a cat has united with a dog, then this is nothing but an alliance against the cook."

No, these are measures for the possible isolation of Armenia (in the case of Georgia) in the event of an escalation of the conflict.

[Charik]

Most likely and cheaper (Yak)

[sanya]

Armenia receives equipment for free

[alone]

Quote: Invoce

Azerbaijan is focused on Turkey, and Amerov,

You are wrong about the USA. We are still sitting on the sanctions. 907 I amendment. Plus, all sorts of American funds such as the Soros organization, etc. have been expelled from the country. The authorities with the Americans are in strained relations.

Quote: Invoce

The Yak-130 is a direct competitor to the Italian flying desk, all the more so in Algeria it is used in full, in fact, the leader tests of this aircraft undergo all modes and conditions there.

I do not argue. .but there is one thing. The Yak 130 aircraft is good, but it does not have the ability to use western weapons systems of the "air-to-ground" type. And we just have such weapons in service and we need carriers of these systems. 346.

[KURT330]

And the fact that Azerbaijan bought Russian weapons for 8 billion in cash, and everything goes to Armenia irrevocably nothing?)) And the fact that Azerbaijan has 400 Russian schools and kindergartens, 4 universities, about a hundred Russian TV channels, fifty Russian-language publications , this is not included in the distinction criteria, right?))

[bulava]

Sooner or later you will have to choose who you are with. Do not sit on two chairs.

[KURT330]

We have chosen that long ago. We are not joining any blocs and are not going to join. Who are you with?
Although it doesn't matter whoever you are with, you mess with everyone. In the Ottoman Empire, you were given the status of Milleti Sadıka, which means Devoted people, removed from taxes, the Armenian was the Vizier of the Sultan, the Armenians had special privileges, but this did not prevent you from spitting on the plate from which you ate in WWI. When the Turks fought against 23 states, you began raiding defenseless villages, began to kill and plunder the country that accepted you. You did the same with the USSR and with Russia, blowing up the metro and department stores, squeezing out business, populating all the southern regions, seizing RossSMI and using them for your rotten purposes, you did the same with Azerbaijan, you do the same with Georgia. And who is now sitting on more chairs? This is your 102 base with 4000 thousand personnel and, again, you have an American embassy with a similar composition in terms of the number of American diplomats and military personnel. If we take into account the fact that the first largest US embassy in Iraq and what is the state of this country at the moment, then you "should give a standing ovation."

[bulava]

Who you are? I am Russian, a representative of a Great Power. You see Armenians everywhere again

[Cyril G ...]

I will give you an interesting example from life. From a personal point of view, the loss of the first war by Azerbaijan, in my opinion, is directly related to one interesting fact. In Azerbaijan, it was fundamentally not fashionable to serve in the USSR Armed Forces. Especially officers. For a quarter of a century, I have come across more than once with Armenian officers of the RF Armed Forces for their service. I saw Azerbaijanis exactly once.
1990 year. With me, 2 Azerbaijanis enter the course of the VVMU as national cadres. The first does not know Russian at all. I will notice 1990. The second one basically talks and reads. The first is expelled six months later. The second studied for two years and stumbled on physics. But by then. There it already flared up - he leaves for service home and as far as I know Upon arrival he immediately gets a lieutenant and fights further. His surname was Kazimov, his name was Faizulo, if I'm not mistaken. Much time has passed, and I don't know what happened next.

[Oquzyurd]

"although he does not quarrel with Russia, he does not buy equipment from Russia." You at least check the information about the purchases of Azerbaijan, then blurt out.
In 2009, a contract was signed for the supply of two divisions of the S-300 anti-aircraft missile system (four launchers in each) to Azerbaijan, which the customer received in 2010-2011. The cost of the transaction was estimated by experts at $ 300 million.

Within the framework of a large package of contracts concluded in the same years, the Azerbaijani side received from the Russian Federation in 2013-2018 a significant amount of new-produced ground forces weapons:

100 main tanks T-90S;
118 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles;
230 armored personnel carriers BTR-82A;
166 artillery systems, including 18 self-propelled howitzers "Msta-S" of 152 mm caliber, 18 self-propelled guns "Vena" of 120 mm caliber (Azerbaijan became their launch customer), 18 combat vehicles of the Smerch multiple launch rocket system of 300 mm caliber, 24 combat vehicles of the TOS-1A "Solntsepek" heavy flamethrower system.
Under a separate contract in 2010, Azerbaijan received from the Russian Federation 24 Mi-35M combat helicopters for the border service (delivered in 2011-2013) and 71 Mi-17-1V multipurpose helicopters (40 units for the air force, 20 for the border service, six - for the state security service, five - for the Ministry of Internal Affairs
In addition, at the same time, a package of contracts was signed for the supply of air defense systems. According to it, in 2011-2012, Azerbaijan received 300 launchers and 1500 anti-aircraft missiles of the Igla-S portable anti-aircraft missile system. The media reported on the delivery in 2014 of two batteries of a short-range anti-aircraft missile system "Tor-M2E"
In November 2010, the Russian and Azerbaijani sides agreed on the licensed production of weapons in the country, in particular, on the assembly in 2011-2021 of up to 120 AK-74M assault rifles chambered for 5,45 mm caliber.

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This is not a weight list. If you paid attention, you can see that everything is there, except for the planes. Azerbaijan has been asking the Russian Federation for several years to sell the planes, but every time they were refused. In this case, Azerbaijan has the right to buy planes from other countries and the Italian order from this opera.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan has the right to buy planes from other countries and the Italian order from this opera.

The Yak -130 does not have a radar, especially with an AFAR. Accordingly, there are no 3/4 functions of the Italian. If you take the YAK, then you need to immediately order the modernization from Israel. Moreover, the M-346 is already in the training version.

[uranium]

The difference between Azerbaijan is that it pays in hard currency, unlike Armenia, which practically takes it for free at the expense of taxpayers and pensioners of the Russian Federation. And he shows his "gratitude" for this by closing Russian schools and Russian channels.

[Insurgent]

The first and only customer: Azerbaijan awaits delivery of a fighter-attack aircraft
And it should be noted that the background for this is the aggravation in the NKAO ...

By the way, the Kurdish formations fighting against Ankara recently transparently hinted that they are ready to transfer their units to NKAO, if Turkey decides to move there pro-Turkish proxy fighters from the SAR to participate in battles on the side of Azerbaijan.

Such an "international" is outlined ...

[7,62h54]

Judging by the fights between the diasporas, no Kurds are needed. Kick the hucksters out of the cordon, let them sort it out. True, they are more accustomed to flying on airbuses and Boeings to Yerevan and Baku.

[AllBiBek]

The leaders of these diasporas received an atat from the FSB yesterday, and yesterday they agreed to compensate their opponents for material damage, and not to do so again. This is in Moscow.

Because in St. Petersburg the day before yesterday (or a couple of days ago), these diasporas gathered to arrange a contractual mahach 25 to 25, but all the hot guys were promptly twisted and are subject to deportation without the right to enter the Russian Federation for 5 years, and regardless of citizenship.

How is it different with them?

[7,62h54]

Here I am for the fact that the showdown would be conducted outside the borders of Russia. One way ticket to their homeland. And then let them decide for themselves whether to fraternize with them, or to fight.

[Yeraz]

Quote: AllBiBek

regardless of citizenship.

And how is the deportation of an Armenian and an Azeri born in Russia and who do not have any other passport than a Russian passport?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Insurgent

By the way, the Kurdish formations fighting against Ankara, quite recently, transparently hinted that they are ready to transfer their units to the NKAO.

Kurds finally lost the coast?
were they called for help?

[Yalquzaq]

Quote: Insurgent

if Turkey decides to move there pro-Turkish proxy militants from the SAR to participate in battles on the side of Azerbaijan.

for all ... what nonsense we don't need anyone, we can handle it ourselves.

Quote: Insurgent

Kurdish formations fighting against Ankara, quite recently, transparently hinted that they are ready to transfer their units to NKAO

already starting to fear

[bulava]

With all due respect, you could not cope without Great Russia and will not cope. For NATO you are a wasteland where you can stick a base, for Europe - a gas station, for Turkey ... well, about like Belarus for us. Stability, prosperity and grace await you only in the Russian world.

[Oquzyurd]

"as for us" (?) "Only in the Russian world will stability await you" What does Ashot have to do with the Russian world? From what day did Vazgen become a Slav and his son Ashot became part of the Russian world? Enough yes, got everyone with his role, tovarisch Ashot Vazgenovich

[uranium]

Quote: Insurgent

Ii fighting against Ankara, quite recently, transparently hinted that they are ready to transfer their units to the NKAO, if Turkey decides to move there pro-Turkish proxy fighters from the SAR to participate in battles on the side of Azerbaijan.

To believe this stuffing, you need to be not far away, I will not be surprised if tomorrow a statement appears that the Khmer Rouge are fighting on the side of Azerbaijan)))

[APASUS]

Quote: Insurgent

Competition, however, a market where every sandpiper praises its swamp ...

There, Azerbaijan has problems with the purchase of aircraft. I can't remember why everyone refuses to buy aircraft in Baku, but what is there connected with Karabakh in my opinion?

[Yeraz]

Quote: APASUS

.Can't remember why everyone refuses to buy aircraft in Baku, but something is connected with Karabakh in my opinion?

Amendment 907 in the United States. And the ban of Western countries, since it can be used in Karabakh. Even the engines in Turkish self-propelled guns refused to sell. You understand what to say about combat aircraft.

[Yuriy71]

The main thing is to promote yourself in the right way, which Russia didn’t know how to do! Only monsters, such as S-300,400, are always heard!

[Snail N9]

Well, this is where the Azerbaijanis break into the background of the Armenian "business" and, accordingly, the lobby in Russia. It is quite interesting to read about "who is who" and on whom (what) it parasitizes ...

Armenian oligarchs seized control of Russia - WHO IS WHO

https://news.day.az/politics/935434.html

[bulava]

In the Russian Federation, for such articles, you can get a sentence for inciting ethnic hatred. And yes, among the Azerbaijanis there are also a lot of oligarchs (remember the owner of Cherkizon), and even "thieves in law" and other criminals. But there are also worthy people, no doubt, like among the Armenians. And Russia is a country of opportunities. Therefore, it is profitable, calm and safe to be with Russia.

[Pavel57]

The Armenians need to buy the Yak-130.

[Livonetc]

Do Armenians need it?
Now, if for free then yes.

[Gar]

Only as an addition to the purchased su-30

[Invoce]

Quote: Pavel57

The Armenians need to buy the Yak-130.

The Armenians bought the Su-30SM ...

[KURT330]

Used 30s were presented to Armenia.

[Cyril G ...]

This is not second-hand, newly built, why are you lying? For the sake of these contracts with the Republic of Belarus and Armenia, unfortunately, the supply of the Su-30SM for the Russian Navy, moreover, exactly for the Crimea and KOR, slowed down.
And the delivery to Belarus and Armenia was carried out at domestic prices. Approximately 1.5 billion rubles. overboard

[KURT330]

Slightly softer in expressions. I'm not lying, and the cars are used. Take an interest.

[Cyril G ...]

I just asked, because I keep track of Air Force issues. You shouldn't read your uh propaganda ..... c. Newly manufactured sides - Su-30SM. These aircraft with red side numbers "30", "31", "32" and "33" were manufactured within the framework of a contract concluded in January 2019 by the Armenian Ministry of Defense with the Russian side for the purchase of four Su-30SM fighters, while the supply of aircraft is carried out "through the CSTO" domestic Russian prices.
We don't have such boards used for ear. There were 18 Su-30Ks, 12 of which were sold to Angola after being upgraded to KN. Some are still in storage in Baranovichi.
That is, we return to the fact that I am right in my assessment and not you at all.

[KURT330]

Dig deeper, deeper)) I'll throw off the link for you. Now, sorry, busy for now.

[Cyril G ...]

I dug deeper, I have the serial numbers of the boards. So the conclusion is clear.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Pavel57

The Armenians need to buy the Yak-130.

As a one-time attack aircraft? These are still not combat aircraft, one or the other. Flying desks, they should remain so.

[416D]

Quote: Pavel57

The Armenians need to buy the Yak-130.

Duc im SU 30 was presented for free

[KURT330]

Someone did not like it. But fact is fact! And b / u-shnye.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: KURT330

And b / u-shnye.

Are you comforting yourself like that? Why lie to myself in the first place - I don't understand.

[bulava]

At present, Azerbaijan is the first and only customer of this model.

Dubious achievement. From this we can conclude that no one takes this unit seriously and the cunning Italians just found someone to shave off this handicraft of theirs in a quick way according to the 2 + 1 action. It is strange that Ukraine does not buy. Oh, yes, they construct their own flyer there ...

[voyaka uh]

This aircraft has just been made in a combat version.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: bulava

It is strange that Ukraine does not buy.

There is no oil in Ukraine.

[Marconi41]

Quote: voyaka uh

This aircraft has just been made in a combat version.

I don't think using them as stormtroopers is a good idea. You will not end up losing yourself.

[voyaka uh]

I think so too.

[KURT330]

Azerbaijani version with an integration system. And it is designed mainly for wearing SOMs. And with them, you can destroy the Armenian air defense without entering the risk zone. SOM flies 250 km, and Azerbaijan's patrolling air bombs allow it to be done on Bis.

[KURT330]

In Israel it seems that there are fifty under the index "Lavi", but they are not FA if I am not mistaken.

[Grazdanin]

Italian analogue of the Korean KAI T-50. The combat version was created this year. T10 sales results

Republic of Korea - 50 T-50, 10 T-50B and 22 TA-50 and 60 FS-50 [7], as of 2018 [3].
Indonesia - 15 T-50i, as of February 2014 [8] [9]. In May 2011, a contract was signed for the supply of 16 T-50i in the amount of $ 400 million [2] [10].
Philippines - 12 FA-50PHs as of 2018 [11]. In March 2014, a contract was signed for the supply of 12 FA-50s for $ 420 million [12].
Iraq - 18 T-50IQs, as of 2018 [13]. In December 2013, a contract was signed for the supply of 24 T-50IQs for $ 1,1 billion and an agreement for aircraft maintenance and crew training for 20 years in the amount of $ 1,0 billion [14].
Thailand - 4 T-50TH, as of 2018. Total Thai Air Force ordered 12 T-50TH

https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle

[voyaka uh]

The T-50 is more powerful. This is a miniature copy of the F-16.

[Grazdanin]

I do not argue, therefore, an analogue, not a copy. The +/- tasks are the same. The Italian is smaller, there is no supersonic sound, but it should also be cheaper.

[Cyril G ...]

Ukraine thinks, uh, realistically - about Super Tucano ..

[Old26]

Quote: bulava

Dubious achievement. From this we can conclude that no one takes this unit seriously and the cunning Italians just found someone to shave off this piece of their craft in a quick way

Actually, this plane is in service with Italy, Singapore, Israel, Poland. Now Azerbaijan will also have

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Old26

that plane is in service with Italy, Singapore, Israel, Poland.

How educational ..

[Herman 4223]

Are Aizerbodzhan confident that these aircraft will survive in a collision with the Su-30?

[Outsider]

- The question is - what will they be armed with? If an airborne radar with AFAR and long-range air-to-air missiles, such as Meteora, then the Su-30 will "sprinkle like autumn leaves" ...

[Herman 4223]

If they can find them.
What are the benefits of the magic word AFAR?

[Outsider]

- Giant. Google to help you ... Read at least a couple of brochures on this topic ...

[Herman 4223]

To help you too, where did you get the idea that I did not read anything?

[Outsider]

- Because you have no idea why AFAR is better than PFAR.

[Herman 4223]

Why do you think I can’t imagine. We are no more stupid than some.

[Outsider]

- What are you talking about yourself in the plural ?! On behalf of 140 million? Better to say "I".
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/APG-77

The main advantages of radar with AFAR are as follows:

- high versatility, ensuring simultaneous operation in the "air-to-air" and "air-to-surface" modes;

- bоGreater target detection range by eliminating energy losses in the receiving and transmitting path, overcoming the power level limitation inherent in the transmitter on traveling wave tubes, as well as flexible energy distribution in the viewing area (fast switching of the directional pattern);

- ensuring the optimal operation of the radar simultaneously in several modes, the formation of various forms of radiation patterns, which allows the use of a flexible and alternating mode of operation, for example, the simultaneous search and tracking of several targets, as well as flying around obstacles;

- increasing the noise immunity of the radar due to the possibility of forming a zero of the radiation pattern in the direction to the interference source, both along the main lobe and along the side lobes;

- Reducing the RCS of the carrier aircraft due to the elimination of mechanical scanning and mirror surfaces;

- performance of the functions of electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems;

- increasing the reliability of the radar due to the elimination of power amplifiers for transmitters and high-voltage power supplies, rotating joints and gyro-stabilizing devices, as well as, due to the properties of the AFAR, maintain their main characteristics in the event of a failure of 5% of the transmitting and receiving modules (TPM).

- Ability to work in LPI mode - low probability of interception;

- The possibility of inter-aircraft transmission of information simultaneously with the implementation of other functions.

[Herman 4223]

You are great for learning how to use Wikipedia, that's just one problem. Most of what is described here, the pfar can also do .
And most importantly, as the elder brother of the super toucano, will it help to fill up the su-30?

[Outsider]

You are great for learning how to use Wikipedia

- I wish you the same with all my heart!

that's just one problem. Most of what is described here, the pfar can also do

- That would be the Americans, Europeans, Japanese, Israelis (shalom! ) is struggling and spending billions of dollars on devices that can easily be replaced by PFAR ?! No, well, they are of course "all stupid" (M. Zadornov), but not to the same extent that such money should be thrown away in the trash ?!

And most importantly, as the elder brother of the super toucano, will it help to fill up the su-30?

- Quite easily: the Su-30 has an EPR of ~ 20 m², the M-346 has several times less, with its AFAR radar, it will detect the Su-30 300 km away, and the AIM-150D will launch the AIM-120D within 260 kilometers. Or AIM-200 - kilometers over XNUMX:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM

[Herman 4223]

Wow how everything is running , it seems to be useless to treat.
And why will he launch a rocket from 150 km, it will not reach the target, or the main thing is to launch it?

[Outsider]

- "Learn materiel" - it will fly. And another 200 will fly.

[Herman 4223]

You probably forgot, the article discusses Italian aermachi, not f22. So it will definitely not reach.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Herman 4223

You probably forgot, the article discusses Italian aermachi, not f22. So it will definitely not reach.

Your interlocutor is both stupid and illiterate

[Herman 4223]

Well, not necessarily stupid, it can be just a provacateur throwing Mr. at the fan. Or he simply does not understand this issue at all, but he saw how not to believe them and why?

[Cyril G ...]

Quite easily: the Su-30 has an EPR of ~ 20 m², the M-346 has several times less, it will detect the Su-30 300 km away with its AFAR radar, and the AIM-150D will be launched into it within 120 kilometers. Or AIM-260 - kilometers over 200:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM

You are constantly talking nonsense. You are probably just stupid. Or Ukrainian

[Outsider]

- You just do not know the aviation-missile materiel at all. Therefore, absolutely normal things seem "wild" to you.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Outsider

You just do not know the aviation-missile materiel at all. Therefore, absolutely normal things seem "wild" to you.

So you don't know radar from the word in general, and what can you discuss with a person who truly believes in propaganda? I prefer not to deal with believers ... However, the level of knowledge of aviation is that of Vicki. Otherwise, they would understand that the numbers of launch ranges do not speak of anything from the word at all.

[Outsider]

- You don't know her, comrade "teapot". Even close!

[Cyril G ...]

Go sleep off a student ............ And learn by heart an ignoramus AiM-120 for 200 km is useless to shoot. The real combat distances of fighters are unlikely to be higher than 60-80 km in the next 10-15 years

[Outsider]

- Eh, kid, you don't know the materiel at all:
https://missilery.info/missile/aim120
Maximum launch range, km (on a collision course, 0.9M carrier and target, height 11 km):
- AIM-20A ------------ 50
- AIM-120C5 -------- 105
- AIM-120C7 -------- 120
- AIM-120C8 (D) ----180
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-260_JATM
Maximum firing range - 200+ km (conditions - as mentioned above).
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Jon Leci, former Miltary Tactics and Strategies / Weapons expert (1989-2012)
Answered April 28, 2017 Author has 1.3K answers and 2.3M answer views
the maximum going range is about 400 km..the maximum practical firing range is about 300 km … ..And the no escap zone is betwen 60 and 80 km. it is claimed to have the longest no escap zone against maneuvering target in the world but its not proven.

there is another thing you should know. METEOR missile steel in developement and testing stage.they are in negotiations to integrate japanese aesa seckers into it.


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Since the aircraft are approaching on a collision course, the indicated maximum launch ranges will be decisive.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Outsider

- Eh, kid, you don't know the materiel at all:
https://missilery.info/missile/aim120
Maximum launch range, km (on sun

The predictability of dullness is often charming. Go uchhi sick materiel. Do not bore you with inadequacy ... Buy a nakraynyak saucepan and maybe it will feel better.

Since the aircraft are approaching on a collision course, the indicated maximum launch ranges will be decisive.

Hey boy, how old are you? Nothing will be determined here. Go study materials on Tega - Aerial combat beyond visual range. I will take the exam as you learn.

[Herman 4223]

By the way, did you know that the leopard is Pfar and AFAR in one bottle at once? And the leopard is on the Su-30.
https://kramtp.info/novosti/interesnoe/full/76009

[Outsider]

- Why say such funny and ridiculous things? "Bars" - pure PFAR, AFAR there "and not lying around" ...
As well as "Irbis".
Actually, with AFAR in Rosaviaprom "plug". "The stone flower does not come out" ... Zhuk-AE - a failure, "Squirrel" for the Su-57 - it is completely incomprehensible in what state - neither fanfare, nor timpani sound in her honor - silence ... They test everything, they refine everything, they will improve everything ... Even somehow "it is insulting for the State" ...

[Herman 4223]

Do not be offended for the state, everything will be fine.

[Outsider]

- With God's help, of course ...

[416D]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: voyaka uh

This aircraft has just been made in a combat version.

I don't think using them as stormtroopers is a good idea. You will not end up losing yourself.

Most likely it will operate outside the zone of influence of the frontal air defense, but then it is no longer an attack aircraft

[Pavel57]

Quote: Marconi41

Quote: voyaka uh

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I don't think using them as stormtroopers is a good idea.

As a shock with a guided weapon, nothing can. For the platform, speed is optional.

[416D]

It is possible that Azerbaijan needs these "attack aircraft" as carriers of Turkish SOM long-range cruise missiles. That is, a weakly protected aircraft should not appear directly over the battlefield.

[Pavel57]

Quote: bulava

It is strange that Ukraine does not buy.

The Chinese L-15 was more suitable for them, but the Americans will not allow it now.

[416D]

Quote: Herman 4223

Are Aizerbodzhan confident that these aircraft will survive in a collision with the Su-30?

Azerbaijan has a developed air defense system exclusively for the SU-30

[Herman 4223]

The fighter still needs to fly into the air defense zone. Yes, and this car has something to snap at (well, if the Armenians bought everything they need, I don't know about it).
Against a fighter, the most effective means is another fighter. That's what I mean.

[Yujanin]

Herman 4223

Against a fighter, the most effective means is another fighter.

Moreover, the winner is the one who does not penetrate the enemy's line of sight and destroy the other.

[416D]

Quote: bulava

At present, Azerbaijan is the first and only customer of this model.

Dubious achievement. From this we can conclude that no one takes this unit seriously and the cunning Italians just found someone to shave off this handicraft of theirs in a quick way according to the 2 + 1 action. It is strange that Ukraine does not buy. Oh, yes, they construct their own flyer there ...

With the right tactics of use, this unit can seriously spoil the foe

[rosomaha]

so what will be in the arsenal of this aircraft? He is then oriented to the Western weapons

[alone]

Quote: rosomaha

so what will be in the arsenal of this aircraft? He is then oriented to the Western weapons

We have samples of Western weapons. This aircraft is needed as a carrier of these weapons. COM 2, for example, an air-launched cruise missile.

[KURT330]

Actually, it's not sickly for a mosquito))

[KURT330]

And it was originally prepared for the F-35.

[Sarkazm]

Hmmm, here we are crap and the Azerbaijanis do not know what they thought.
In fact, the assembly of the Su-25 migrated to Baku from Tbilisi, the Azerbaijanis bought all the technical documentation from the Georgians, the gliders, both ready-made and backlogs, and they began to buy engines from us. The Georgians can no longer produce the Su-25 precisely because of our refusal to supply engines for it.
The Israelis give them everything and modernize the existing Su-25 to a level similar and higher than the Scorpion supplied to Turkmenistan, and to put it mildly, it is not inferior to our versions of the Su-25 SM.
Against this background, it is not clear why this M-346 version surrendered to them, all the more it is more expensive than the usual version? aircraft more advanced than L-39 and just with EDSU. EDSU and early modifications of the MiG-39 that Azerbaijan has is better not to remember together. It was easier to collect further the Su-29, bringing their number to 25 regiments.

After our refusal to supply a modern fighter, if it was, of course, as they say here, and taking into account the restrictions and sanctions, it was easier for them to stomp to China for the latest updated version of the J-10C with the original Chinese engine, instead of ours. It is at least not inferior to the Su-30SM supplied by us to Armenia, or even surpasses, and taking into account that the Azerbaijanis are richer, the Chinese are cheaper than the Su-30SM and, accordingly, they can afford more aircraft than the Armenians, then there are no questions at all. In short, some kind of nonsense.
If there is no refusal on our part and still they will buy from us, for example, the MiG-35, then the point was to take the M-346 instead of our Yak-130, how to drink the Italian more expensive than ours ...

Many of the CIS have looked closely at the Swedish JAS-39, the Azerbaijanis have also looked, but there are no options. Many from Eastern Europe bought a used F-16, Turkey has a plant and can capitalize and modernize the F-16, isn't this the reason for the preference for the M-346?
Israel has the M-346, and Israel has begun to receive the F-35, and all the same, a certain number of F-16s will be withdrawn from its Air Force, isn't Baku hoping for them?

[KURT330]

Quote: bulava

From this we can conclude that no one takes this unit seriously and the cunning Italians just found someone to shave off this handicraft of theirs in a quick way according to the 2 + 1 action.

Yeah, especially the Israelis screwed up by buying fifty pieces

[Herman 4223]

Israel has a training version, there are no questions here, but this model is positioned as a fighter.
That is, a full-fledged combat vehicle on which the Ayzerbodzhan pilots will have to fight with the Armenian su-30.

[KURT330]

Why do you think that Azerbaijani pilots will fight Armenian Su-30s on the M-346 FA?
There are plenty of other tasks for Airmacci.
Regarding air battles in our region, I can say that fighters are needed here exclusively for patrolling. In our case, mainly over the Caspian Sea. If you look closely, you will notice that they have a corresponding camouflage. And in the sky over Karabakh, fighters have nothing to do at all. Armenia and Azerbaijan have very pretty air defense systems. And this is not an aviation war, the only exception can be ground attack aircraft and small-sized M-346s.

[Herman 4223]

The planes will try to hack the air defense system in order to take control of the airspace. Whoever achieves this will win, because the road network will be controlled from the air, reconnaissance and suppression of artillery will go, etc.

[KURT330]

Well, two more squadrons of Pakistanis will arrive soon. It seems that by the middle of the 21st year, all the cars will arrive. Well, there are also rumors about two more squadrons of Russian vehicles. Our pilots have been in Algeria for an internship for a long time.

The very thing for our geography.

[Sarkazm]

Quote: KURT330

Well, two more squadrons of Pakistanis will arrive soon. It seems that by the middle of the 21st year, all the cars will arrive. Well, there are also rumors about two more squadrons of Russian vehicles. Our pilots have been in Algeria for an internship for a long time.

The very thing for our geography.

So much has been written about this and for so long that it is hard to believe that such plans are being seriously discussed. There are our engines, on the one hand they are well known to you from the MiG-29, on the other hand Pakistan is obliged to obtain permission from us for export. Not the fact that it was given or we will give it.
As I understood, they were waiting for a more advanced version of this fighter with AFAR and with more modern Chinese short and medium-range missiles, although most likely you will use similar Israeli and South African missiles, I do not think that the Chinese will sell you their new products.
The COM missile about which you are writing with your fellow countryman in the context of the M-346 purchase is heavy for him. The idea is that it has a lifting capacity of 3000kg at 5 points. If you really have a COM in your arsenal, and not a desecration and a model that rolled on the backyard of the military parade in Baku, then only the COM version for the F-35 weighs 500 kg, all the others are more than 600 kg. From the M-346 COM, in theory, they can take one ventral and two underwing pylons close to the fuselage. Given that missiles need target designation, most likely there will be a container on the ventral assembly, that is, only two missiles maximum. Even two missiles with a range of 250 km is of course power, but again, it is not a fact that the M-346 will be able to lift them.
The Italians themselves have a "battlefield isolation" subsonic fighter created in conjunction with the Brazilians - AMX. It is very simple and antediluvian in design, which was made specifically to reduce cost and simplify operation, but its carrying capacity is higher. The "Grifo" radar was designed for him. I think most likely the same role is prepared for the M-346, and it was created on almost the same principle - old proven engines, an old airborne radar, from a promising only EDSU and a glider developed jointly with the Yakovlev Design Bureau, which was also not even yesterday, yes the ability to simulate a combat situation. If the price is significantly higher than the Yak-130, then yours clearly gave up if they did not get Pakistani fighters in the most advanced version. Because if you buy only our fighters, the UBS adapted to Western standards in general, and even more so NATO will be a burden.

[VyacheSeymour]

Given that missiles need target designation

The lionfish somehow manage without target designation ...

[Sarkazm]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

Given that missiles need target designation

The lionfish somehow manage without target designation ...

Since when? ...
Targets are entered either in preparation for departure or in flight. In addition, the more compact the rocket, the fewer means of computing on board, and the COM is quite compact and despite all the miniaturization of electronics in recent years, taking into account the weight of the warhead, engine and fuel, there is not much to fit into it. That is, such a CR should receive information from the carrier - "where is she", "what is she", and most likely "where is she", although the latter can be entered on the ground.
Well, or either I do not understand something, then let the more advanced correct it.

I have recently been interested in watching your aircraft. You have a lot of UAVs for various purposes. If we compare in proportion to the size of the armies, then your Armed Forces are much better equipped with them than our army, we do not have some types at all in service, and if the Turks supply you with Bayraktar, then the gap will be even stronger. But it is beautiful on paper, but in reality you do not have a single system for collecting and analyzing information from all sources and transmission to consumers.
To make it clear, you got your M-346FA, hung a COM on it, took off, everything is fine, but the situation and the priority of targets have changed, and what's next? ... Even using modern reconnaissance and strike UAVs and having an advantage, you cannot implement. This is ineffective and only leads to cost overruns; war is also an economy. Judging by the latest clashes, the situation has not changed dramatically for the better since April 2016, and after all 4 years have passed ...
Leonardo, the manufacturer of the M-346, shows in his promotional materials the possibility of using this light fighter-attack aircraft as an element of the system, it is equipped with the appropriate equipment, although the NATO standard. Now they have approached the standards, you have a ragtag, despite the fact that you have fairly modern weapons systems, they are largely not interoperable, this is again a decrease in efficiency. You have suppliers like Israel and Turkey, you either had to choose Western standards, or sit on ours, working with us, Belarusians and Ukrainians. Obviously, our systems are cheaper, and their systems are more perfect, but there is only the illusion of economy on the one hand and the illusion of efficiency on the other - the incompatibility of systems does not allow realizing certain of their advantages.
Cadres decide everything - I look at your cadets, your army has taken a lot from the Turkish army, there is a lot to learn, but otherwise it has remained Soviet-Caucasian, with all of this arising. Everywhere there is patronage and cronyism, now your minister is a native of Armenia, the lion's share of your cadets in our schools are his fellow countrymen ... It came to an anecdote, you are proud that the Russian language is preserved, there is a so-called "Russian sector" in schools, at least in the capital, and your nibelmes cadets who come to us are learning Russian together with the Arabs in language courses ... couldn't they find Russian-speaking candidates? ... This seems to be trifles, but everything rushes in the eyes and the overall picture is not as rosy as in the videos of your ministry of defense about beautiful barracks and super new items of the most advanced systems.
So, for now, the M-346 is a stupid toy, and as I understand it is the carrier of one of the CDs available to you, and the big question is whether you can realize the advantage of COM, I would not be surprised if the top of your art will be the destruction of another ikarus with Armenian veteran goners. Because by observing the rest - it is unlikely that you will succeed. IMHO, it would be better to buy Chinese upgraded versions of the MiG-21, what's the point of buying such expensive weapons if you don't know how to realize their advantages? One thing is good, at your expense, we can at least see what is new in the world, for example, until April 2016, I somehow did not attach any importance to the strike UAVs, I really liked Harop, it is clear, and here you could not use its advantages, but on yours mistakes and stupidity, you can learn and draw conclusions.

[VyacheSeymour]

Well, or either I do not understand something, then let the more advanced correct it.

With such toys - if every pilot, duty officer, commander ... Etc. - will enter
target designation (to go out on a free hunt) - that field for cockroaches has not been plowed in the development of the earth's expanses.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Sarkazm

and your nibelmes cadets who come to us are learning Russian together with the Arabs in language courses ... really couldn't find Russian-speaking candidates? ... This seems to be trifles, but everything rushes

In 1990, in Soviet times, one of the two cadets - Azerbaijanis, national cadres, who went without entrance exams, did not know Russian at all. I will notice it in Soviet times.

[Sarkazm]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

Well, or either I do not understand something, then let the more advanced correct it.

With such toys - if every pilot, duty officer, commander ... Etc. - will enter
target designation (to go out on a free hunt) - that field for cockroaches has not been plowed in the development of the earth's expanses.

And in Russian and more understandable - "show your finger"?