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Russia is discussing the promises of the Ministry of Labor to ensure the growth of pensions

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Russia is discussing the promises of the Ministry of Labor to ensure the growth of pensions

Russia is discussing a statement from officials of the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection. This is a statement that concerns millions of citizens of the country.


So, the information service RIA News with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Labor, reports that the department guarantees a real increase in pensions.

It is noted that the parameters of indexing pensions in the country are determined by Federal Law No. 350-FZ. It prescribes the indexation of pensions above the expected inflation rates for the period from 1 January 2021 to 31 December 2024. Indexation parameters are presented: 6,3 percent, 5,9%, 5,6%, 5,5% - for the years mentioned. These figures were called by the Ministry of Labor "the real growth of pensions in Russia."

After 2024, it is reported that the increase in pensions will be determined by the growth of state budget revenue.

Economists, commenting on the data of the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection, say that it is extremely difficult to plan the growth of pensions for 3-4 years in advance in the current macroeconomic environment. Moreover, if the government does not ensure a low inflation rate (within 2-3%) for the next year, then inflation can “eat up” almost the entire planned increase of 6,3%.

Simple mathematics: if inflation is about 5%, then the real growth of pensions in Russia in 2021 will be about 1,3%. More than a modest indicator of real growth.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 28 July 2020 08: 04 New
    28
    The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. All of these indexations are offset by higher prices for food and basic necessities.
    In 2010-14, my mother also helped us from retirement, now she makes ends meet herself.
    1. Arlen
      Arlen 28 July 2020 08: 21 New
      32
      They can promise anything ... But they don't really like to keep their promises ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 July 2020 08: 42 New
        15
        Quote: Arlen
        They can promise anything

        And a certain part of society believes in it.
        Good morning. hi
        I can’t convince my mother corny, she firmly believes that Uncle Vova has nothing to do with it, the boyars are to blame. I am confident in the correctness of my choice in the presidential elections. To my questions about a penny. age, vat, rising prices, profaned promises - only emotions. Here it is, the direct influence of the zombie box. And I think not one of me has such a situation.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 28 July 2020 08: 56 New
          +7
          While the liberda from Siluyanov, Nabiulina, Topilin, Oreshkin (almost the full composition of the Prospect Island minus 4-6 people of normal orientation) will portray agonizing torment for the extraction of money for pennies, until then the leader will portray the hands of the country.
          But if by the end of the year inflation (real, and not sucked out of the finger !!) exceeds 10%, the population will have to come up with a proposal for early re-elections of power.
          1. Siberian
            Siberian 28 July 2020 09: 05 New
            +8
            The Kremlin does not accept natural numbers: we have growth (sometimes even negative!), All the problems: "it was in the short term", without telling what now, the mid-term has already come and the long-term - right next to it. And unemployment is tiny, not like in other countries, and moronic contests for finding effective managers: future mayors, board members, deputies and other leaders for about 30 years. Even exceeds 10%, we will still hear that an increase of 0,003% is VICTORY ... Something like this
            1. Antagonist
              Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 48 New
              11
              Quote: Siberian
              Kremlin does not accept

              he hates many things ...
              Quote: Siberian
              all problems

              they cannot solve all the problems. probably they don't want it right ...
          2. Antagonist
            Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 46 New
            11
            Quote: hydrox
            While liberda

            while the liberals are in power, our country will not see a bright future. we need a change of everyone in power, only then will we move forward and our country will develop.
        2. Arlen
          Arlen 28 July 2020 09: 04 New
          23
          Hello hi
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I can't convince my mother trite

          A familiar situation) Only for me it ended after Medvedev's promise to increase his pension by 1000 rubles.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 28 July 2020 09: 08 New
            +9
            Quote: Arlen
            Hello hi
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I can't convince my mother trite

            A familiar situation) Only for me it ended after Medvedev's promise to increase his pension by 1000 rubles.

            My father-in-law is a pensioner, he could not see the light for a long time either .. Before the 2018 elections, there were heated debates with him laughing Well, that's right, his pension was paid on time, albeit not a big one, plus his wife, and it seemed that was enough .. But this year he finally got his sight ..
            1. SOVIET UNION 2
              SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 09: 48 New
              +7
              Well, that's right, his pension was paid on time, albeit not a big one, plus his wife, and it seemed like enough.
              Nobody will pay a big pension! Before the amendments to the constitution, it was also written there that pensions are on a solidarity basis! When you adopted this position, did you not know that the number of pensioners would grow? They knew very well and consciously created such a problem. Now they are trying to solve it by shifting the retirement age. Speaking about the constitution written by the enemies of Russia, this provision was left in the amended one. What does this mean? This suggests that that constitution completely suits the authorities and they are not going to change it! The main changes affected the supreme power. Why can't you pay pensions from the budget like in the USSR? Why is it impossible to pay pensions as a percentage of the profit of the enterprise, as in the Stalinist collective farms? Why should there be a solidarity pension system? After all, everyone understands that the number of old people will grow, labor productivity will grow due to automation. Another question is regarding the citizenship of the senior staff. If directors and top managers are foreigners, is that okay? Or if there are foreign directors of companies, who will not care who will be the president? After all, the policy of the companies will be determined by the directors! Is it normal that foreigners run hydrocarbon companies or Sberbank? Putin argued that our directors are so effective that they would be snapped up in any foreign company! But then what are foreign leaders doing there if there are such domestic talents? Why was a retired Swedish major involved in raising the ATGAZ and VAZ cars? Are foreign majors smarter than our Deripasoks coming out? Do we have foreign directors in the role of commanders-overseers for idiots-Papuans ?! So what kind of independence did the amendments to the constitution give? What do these amendments guarantee to the population of the country? Why is the minimum wage registered but the hourly payment is not registered? What is the guaranteed payment per hour? But such questions are hardly of interest to pensioners. They should receive their pension on time, pay for the communal flat, buy medicines and save on food. The main thing is no war! I don't know what to call it. Optimism or Pessimism?
          2. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 09: 21 New
            +5
            Only with me it ended after Medvedev's promise to increase the pension by 1000 rubles.
            There is even a continuation of the story with faith. After the promise of a thousand rubles, many (if not most) believed that pensions would be increased by thousand rubles every month. Putin promised that every month they will add a thousand rubles a month! All the conversations that this would not happen ended with the fact that I did not understand anything! People for some reason were sure that their pension would grow every month!
          3. Antagonist
            Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 51 New
            12
            I reconsidered my views after raising the retirement age.
        3. Roman123567
          Roman123567 28 July 2020 09: 05 New
          +5
          The very aunt in the village is the same ..))
          Somehow a couple of years ago my father and I tried to explain everything to her .. only Yeltsin remembers and compares how bad it was .. I found a "reference point" ..))
          Nevertheless, these are clearly, if not a few, then a minority.
          There is another friend who was in favor of the amendments .. it was too painful for her to be worried about international law .. that it was higher than ours .. I couldn't sleep ..))
          And so the whole country, if it doesn't spit into the portrait of a nullified one, then certainly has no respect for this bacillus ..
          1. ninguem
            ninguem 28 July 2020 11: 58 New
            17
            Quote: Roman123567
            The very aunt in the village is the same ..))

            Everyone has such relatives) yes
            Quote: Roman123567
            only Yeltsin remembers and compares how bad it was

            Well, I don’t know ... I have no one who remembers the times of ebn (in comparison). And in general, except on VO, I do not meet such ...
        4. BecmepH
          BecmepH 28 July 2020 10: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I simply can't convince my mother, she firmly believes that Uncle Vova has nothing to do with it,

          Maybe this will help you ...
          http://militariorg.ucoz.ru/publ/pensioneri_i_ih_gizn_na_pensii/pro_popravki_zabudte_kreml_nashel_sposob_ne_indeksirovat_pensii_i_zarplaty/2-1-0-103191
          I have already thrown this link in a parallel branch
      2. 4ekist
        4ekist 28 July 2020 09: 46 New
        +3
        I have long been skeptical about all these promises and statements.
        1. Antagonist
          Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 52 New
          14
          except for skepticism, otherwise you shouldn't treat these statements
          1. Financier
            Financier 2 August 2020 23: 58 New
            17
            Skepticism is a good thing ... but to believe in good and good is very hot ... Hope dies last. But you're right, their statements are worthless.
            1. Consul
              Consul 3 August 2020 00: 38 New
              12
              Hope has already died for many people.
      3. Antagonist
        Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 42 New
        11
        Quote: Arlen
        they don't really like to keep their promises ...

        not only do not like, but also do not want yes
      4. Financier
        Financier 2 August 2020 23: 56 New
        16
        Maybe they just don't want to?
        1. Consul
          Consul 3 August 2020 00: 39 New
          12
          Whether they want it or not, it doesn't matter to me. Their job is what they should! work to improve people's lives. If they do not do this, then it is necessary to change officials.
    2. Civil
      Civil 28 July 2020 08: 26 New
      14
      1. Housing and communal services grows every 6 months.
      2. Prices of gasoline and diesel fuel are growing.
      3. Accordingly, prices rise in stores.
      4. The ruble is falling.
      5. The ring of enemies around is expanding.

      Here is the fifth point and does not allow to increase pensions, as that cookie after 5 liters of vodka poisoned the body by morning.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 28 July 2020 08: 59 New
        12
        Quote: Civil
        Here is the fifth point and does not allow to increase pensions, as that cookie after 5 liters of vodka poisoned the body by morning.

        There are more points here .. which will not allow ..
        - Greed .. mind you, officials, deputies and others have not cut their salaries, when the population becomes poorer every year, these only get richer ..
        - Inability .. For whatever they undertake, whatever goals they set .. well, they can't .. the May decrees have failed .. there are no jobs ..
        - Reluctance .. they don’t need it at all, they attract guest workers .. what does this mean? They do not think about pensions and incomes of citizens, they think about how to save loved ones for themselves
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 28 July 2020 09: 08 New
        +9
        Quote: Civil
        1. Housing and communal services grows every 6 months.
        2. Prices of gasoline and diesel fuel are growing.
        3. Accordingly, prices rise in stores.
        4. The ruble is falling.
        5. The ring of enemies around is expanding.

        - The economy is in the ass. It keeps only on the flow of free money,
        which is steadily declining. The country has long been producing nothing but
        Ponte. The general decline in morality among the population. Read books - considered
        backwardness. Men, women and even children drink, smoke and have promiscuous sex. Seduced rulers - on show-off. They have long ago broken away from
        reality and believe in their divinity. Permanent and useless
        provocations and quarrels with neighbors. The rampaging security officials have long been unable
        protect the country, but regularly rob their own citizens ...
        “Eugene, stop reading the newspapers.” Go learn lessons.
        “So I teach.” We were asked about the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
      3. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 08 New
        +3
        The ring of enemies around is growing ?! Didn't we ourselves create these enemies? Who destroyed the USSR, the Warsaw Bloc and the CMEA countries? And now our enemies are to blame? Who gave the Union Republics? Enemies too? So maybe the enemies inside Russia? Does the West sell raw materials from Russia or are Russian patriots? Does the Russian Constitution suit the enemies or patriots of Russia? If the constitution did not suit the authorities, the constitution would be completely thrown away! It turns out that the Russian constitution suits the enemies or patriots of Russia? If you are happy with the car, you fix it. If it doesn't suit you, you change it. Is that so or not? What do we have with the constitution? She is completely satisfied except for minor repairs. Here's something changed, and off you go! The car (constitution) is just super! And this already implies an increase in housing and communal services, fuel prices, prices in stores, a fall in the ruble! And the enemies of Russia are the patriots of Russia! During the presidential elections, Grudinin turned out to be the richest! Of the anti-Putin faces, Platoshkin turned out to be the most anti-Russian! Why not Venediktov, Gudkov or Latynina with Ksenia Sobchak? Is it strange? Or is it natural? Why is the enemy of Russia Furgal, and not Anatoly Serdyukov or Chubais? Van assassin? But in our country, terrorists can also serve in law enforcement agencies and even receive the title and Hero of Russia! Why was Furgalu denied this? So what about the cookies? Who is giving out to whom? Why is the entire leadership of Crimea alive and well, and the people's leaders of the LPNR have been successfully eliminated? Haven't you thought about it?
        1. Antagonist
          Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 55 New
          11
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          And now our enemies are to blame?

          yes, enemies, internal ... and external.
      4. ninguem
        ninguem 28 July 2020 12: 07 New
        15
        The fifth point is the most important. It is because of him that all the troubles in our country laughing
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 28 July 2020 08: 50 New
      14
      Indexation parameters are presented: 6,3 percent, 5,9%, 5,6%, 5,5% - for the years mentioned. These figures were called by the Ministry of Labor "the real growth of pensions in Russia."

      Indexation at the inflation rate .. Nonsense is complete .. and not everyone will live to retire.
  2. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 08: 04 New
    16
    Russia is discussing the promises of the Ministry of Labor to ensure the growth of pensions

    I remember ... It was ... Medvedev promised ... But where is this Medvedev and where is the promised increase of 1000 rubles?
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 28 July 2020 08: 40 New
      15
      Quote: ROSS 42
      where is this Medvedev and where is the promised increase of 1000 rubles?

      Resting in a villa in Tuscany.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 28 July 2020 08: 46 New
        +7
        Dima yearns for a villa in Tuscany,
        Dimon knows that they can cope on their own.
        1. AlexVas44
          AlexVas44 28 July 2020 08: 49 New
          11
          Quote: Poetiszaugla
          Dimon knows that they can cope on their own.

          Like - you hold on there!
          1. Poetry
            Poetry 28 July 2020 08: 51 New
            +3
            Well, yes, but I (that is, he) worry about you.
            1. Poetry
              Poetry 28 July 2020 09: 01 New
              0
              He didn't lift something heavier than a handle
              Tie, shirt, jacket and trousers.
              I'm not saying that Dima is a bad character,
              Probably good? But only, he is not ours.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 28 July 2020 10: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: Poetiszaugla
                Tie, shirt, jacket and trousers.

                Even from the university, the nickname "jacket" was stuck behind him.
                1. Poetry
                  Poetry 28 July 2020 11: 00 New
                  +1
                  Figase! I didn't know, honestly.
                  1. tihonmarine
                    tihonmarine 28 July 2020 11: 08 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Poetiszaugla
                    Figase! I didn't know, honestly.

                    His classmate told me. Yes, they are all like that. Berezovsky also loved pinzhaks, only black ones.
    3. Antagonist
      Antagonist 28 July 2020 14: 58 New
      10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      where is this Medvedev

      Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation. he is fineyes , but we still somehow hold on, I don't understand just how and by what means ...
      1. Sergey Nemov
        Sergey Nemov 28 July 2020 18: 08 New
        +5
        at the expense of the character of our people. angry
      2. Financier
        Financier 3 August 2020 00: 10 New
        18
        Quote: Antagonist
        he is fine

        but with us everything is as always, then Manka is at home, but Vanka is not, then the opposite is true
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 July 2020 08: 05 New
    17
    It's contagious, everyone promises and promises.
    In the May decree of Putin, 3 years ago, 9 goals were fixed, which need to be realized until 2024, including "the growth of the level of pension provision above the inflation rate."

    This wording has been removed from the 2020 decree. Now the government is required to ensure "a steady increase in the level of pension provision not lower than inflation."
    This means that the indexation of pensions can only be carried out by the value with which the consumer price index calculated by Rosstat has grown. In real terms (after deducting inflation), pensions need not be increased.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 16 New
      +4
      The Ministry of Finance has prepared amendments to the Civil and Budget Codes, which propose to transfer to the Pension Fund of Russia (PFR) funds of citizens, the legality of receipt of which cannot be proven. Izvestia writes about this with reference to the press service of the department.

      The Ministry of Finance is preparing amendments to Art. 46 and 146 of the Budget Code in terms of clarifying the list of PFR budget revenues. “The Civil Code is now being amended to clarify that, in established cases, not only property may be confiscated, in respect of which <...> evidence has not been presented confirming the acquisition of property for legal income, but also monetary funds in the absence of evidence of the legality of their receipt ", - said the press service. They clarified that amendments to the Budget Code are needed to synchronize it with the Civil Code.

      Read more at RBC:
      https://www.rbc.ru/society/28/07/2020/5f1f5a089a794776de211b01
      The Anti-Corruption Foundation is headed by Putin's nephew. Navalny closed his project. I wonder who the money will be withdrawn from? From the circle of Putin's friends, or from persons outside this circle? The answer seems to be known. Nobody will go out on themselves. But the clearing will be toughly cleaned in favor of its own! Is this an international practice or a criminal one? Or the practice of international crime?
  4. Piramidon
    Piramidon 28 July 2020 08: 07 New
    10
    inflation can “eat up” almost the entire planned premium

    How many times has this been done. As soon as they plan to increase pensions and salaries, traders advance the price tags on goods. change.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 20 New
      +4
      How did it go ?! belay It seems to me that they have not even passed yet! no While we are moving in the same direction! yes How do we explain the rise in prices? The well-being of the population is growing! Wealth increases demand! Demand increases prices! In general, Russia is on the rise! laughing Not true? Well then, contact the HSE school! You will be enlightened there that you are wrong! wassat
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 28 July 2020 12: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        How did it go ?! It seems to me that they have not even passed yet!

        And I’m not saying that we passed. We passed, we pass and we will pass. request
    2. ninguem
      ninguem 28 July 2020 12: 14 New
      17
      Quote: Piramidon
      How many times has it been

      And how many more times will we pass along the way in the "light" neo-feudal time ...
      1. Sergey Nemov
        Sergey Nemov 28 July 2020 18: 10 New
        +6
        Quote: ninguem
        And how many more times will we pass

        One more time and that's it, it will be a full pipe laughing
        1. Financier
          Financier 3 August 2020 00: 03 New
          18
          somehow I don't really want to fly into the "pipe" ...
  5. Million
    Million 28 July 2020 08: 08 New
    13
    If the president is lying, what can we expect from the government and others ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 28 July 2020 09: 00 New
      11
      For the first time, or what? sad
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 23 New
      +4
      Do not slander the President! The President is either not in the know, or in no share! lol
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 July 2020 10: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Million
      If the president is lying, what can we expect from the government and others ...

      Nobody is lying. Last year, my pension was increased by 600 rubles. I don’t know where to invest money, whether to pay for housing and communal services, or buy 40 pies. laughing
    4. ninguem
      ninguem 28 July 2020 12: 15 New
      18
      Quote: Million
      what to expect from the government and others

      I haven't expected anything from them for a long time ...
      1. Financier
        Financier 3 August 2020 00: 10 New
        16
        no need to wait. you need to make the right choice yes
    5. Antagonist
      Antagonist 28 July 2020 15: 01 New
      10
      normal work. otherwise they used to promise
      1. Financier
        Financier 3 August 2020 00: 06 New
        15
        she is such a habit that it is difficult to break the habit. and to wean the promise for them is simply not feasible.
  6. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 08: 10 New
    15
    Simple mathematics: if inflation is about 5%, then the real growth of pensions in Russia in 2021 will be about 1,3%. More than a modest indicator of real growth.

    Simple math:
    A 10 percent increase in 000 and 100 looks fair. Only the difference in absolute values ​​is not encouraging. And the time when these 000 became 5, and 10 - 000 is long gone ...
    And we sit and think, why, with such care, we definitely climb into the farthest corners of the back ...
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 28 July 2020 08: 24 New
      10
      And what about 100?
      Just a mathematical illustration?
      Moving away from the size of the pension.
      Maybe someone will be indignant considering it a fake, but this is the reality today.
      The doctor of the highest category in the clinic of the presidential administration has a salary of 9 thousand rubles.
      Plus the premium for the highest category, as a result, slightly above 13 thousand rubles.
      Further bonuses of a non-fixed size.
      Recently they paid a premium of 10 thousand rubles. stating that there is no budget for more.
      This is a federal agency.
      In municipal (Moscow) the situation is better.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 08: 28 New
        15
        Quote: Livonetc
        Just a mathematical illustration?

        yes
        Quote: Livonetc
        The doctor of the highest category in the clinic of the presidential administration has a salary of 9 thousand rubles.

        The wife is a nurse of the highest category ... We know ...
        In Russia, in general, there is a preconceived attitude towards medicine and medical workers ... What to do - outcasts of society. This is probably why we are collecting money for the treatment of SMS ...
        1. SOVIET UNION 2
          SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 26 New
          +5
          The amendments to the constitution did not talk about universal and free medicine! But the majority supported the amendment! There is a collection of money for fake treatment, and everyone has money for medicine ?! smile recourse sad
  7. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 28 July 2020 08: 18 New
    10
    Government for one quarter on the median salary!
    And better for the minimum salary!
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 08: 19 New
    17
    We are all given the size of the average pension. Well. so let's increase pensions to everyone, those who have 8-12 thousand and those who have 80 and more by this percentage of the average pension ... belay
    Look, in ten years, and pensions will grow up, and the difference between "sufficient" and "poor" pensioners will decrease ...
    Here the other day, one deputy proposed to the government to recalculate the minimum wage, because with scientists and just smart people it came out not 12 130 but about 31 000. So these proposals were put where? But not a single “person” (to call it a citizen - he doesn’t dare) from our “wise” government tried to live either on an average pension or on a salary tied to the minimum wage (even in multiplicity) ...
    Why do we need such experimenters? request
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 31 New
      +4
      This is how Chapaev's phrase begs! The commander must be in front and on a dashing horse! Only officials and deputies are not visible who have appointed themselves a salary worthy for citizens of Russia in the amount of one minimum wage!
  9. Arlen
    Arlen 28 July 2020 08: 25 New
    20
    the RIA Novosti news service, citing the press service of the Ministry of Labor, reports that the department guarantees a real increase in pensions.

    The Ministry of Labor guarantees ... What guarantees? The usual loud statements ... They can say anything, they passed, they heard not such promises ...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 July 2020 08: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: Arlen
      The Ministry of Labor guarantees ... What guarantees? The usual loud statements ... They can say anything, they passed, they heard not such promises ...

      This is you in vain. We receive supplies in the form of 3-4% annually.
    2. Sergey Nemov
      Sergey Nemov 28 July 2020 18: 14 New
      +7
      Quote: Arlen
      The Ministry of Labor guarantees ... What guarantees?

      As always, only promises. They cannot guarantee anything more. Our Russian real inflation will zero out everything they promised in financial matters.
      1. Consul
        Consul 3 August 2020 01: 00 New
        +9
        Quote: Sergey Nemov
        will reset

        The word is clearly in vogue laughing
    3. Financier
      Financier 3 August 2020 00: 25 New
      18
      Quote: Arlen
      What guarantees?

      as always - in words
      Quote: Arlen
      The usual loud statements

      the tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it ... wink
  10. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 28 July 2020 08: 28 New
    +8
    I don't know how it will be with pensions, they promise a lot, but they will definitely fulfill this. Check it out!
    Artists and officials will be rewarded for voting work on amendments
    Preparing in the Kremlin President Vladimir Putin will reward and encourage a number of citizens who participated in preparing, conducting and informing about the vote on amendments to the Constitution, which took place from June 25 to July 1.
    RBC 06:00
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 28 July 2020 08: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: tihonmarine
      President Vladimir Putin will reward and encourage a number of citizens who participated in the preparation, conduct and information on voting on amendments to the Constitution

      Directly reminded:
    2. ninguem
      ninguem 28 July 2020 12: 54 New
      15
      They will certainly do it, it’s not fighting inflation.
      There is no mention of bloggers in your text. Bloggers tried hardest laughing
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 28 July 2020 08: 32 New
    +8
    Russia is discussing the promises of the Ministry of Labor to ensure the growth of pensions

    The main word in this text is - I promise. That's what, but we can promise!
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 28 July 2020 10: 33 New
      +3
      Here, as in the phrase-prize drawing! Everyone sees the word Prize and no one notices the word Raffle! laughing
  12. Boris55
    Boris55 28 July 2020 08: 34 New
    +1
    Our well-being does not depend on the presence of colored cut paper in our wallets and on the number of numbers in our accounts. The main thing here is purchasing power.

    Inflation is an integral part of capitalism, whose task is to stimulate people to the need to earn money, but at the same time keep us in a half-starved state. Otherwise, if everyone becomes millionaires, who will work.

    And a favorite question in Russia: What to do?

    In short, to build socialism of the Stalinist model. And how did his economy differ from the capitalist one?

    Yes, everything is simple. There is such a surplus product. So the capitalists print money on this surplus product, which always returns to their owners, which makes the rich even richer and the poor poorer. If you noticed, then no matter how much they raise us, but life does not get better.

    Under Stalin, prices for this surplus product were reduced, which is why the purchasing power of the population grew from year to year. The standard of living was growing.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 28 July 2020 09: 16 New
      0
      In short - to build socialism of the Stalinist model

      In short, we are now not far from the slave level ..
      In words, it seems like democracy, freedom, etc., in fact, there is no way to re-elect power, you cannot hold a rally against it, it is unrealistic to let any real opposition into the Duma, you can blow off steam only like this on the forums .. although they can and here penalize "for disrespect" ..
      Building socialism under these conditions is like giving birth to a lion for a hare ..
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 28 July 2020 09: 47 New
        -3
        Quote: Roman123567
        Building socialism under these conditions is like giving birth to a lion for a hare ..

        As Plutarch said: "You rule, but you are also ruled".

        Management goes both from top to bottom and from bottom to top. It is not customary to talk about the real power of the people in our country, and everywhere else, but it exists and only with the permission (non-resistance) of the people, power above the people can do only what the people allow. The people may be drugged by 20 free TV channels and side with the minority in the interests of the minority, but this only confirms that everything that happens to us is our own fault. Many questions about governance were hidden from us, but in the age of the Internet, almost nothing can be hidden.

        DOTU is a fairly general management theory:
        https://dotu.ru/2004/06/23/20040623-dotu_red-2004/

        Only when the people acquire at least the knowledge of management at the level of the "elite" will it be impossible to separate us into "vouchers". Knowledge is that quality needle that is hidden from the people and, having broken it, the people will really acquire the will, the will to decide on their own the issues of their lives, the lives of their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 28 July 2020 10: 00 New
          +1
          it is, and only with the permission (non-resistance) of the people, power is higher than the people
          Well, if the people humbly swallowed the increase in the retirement age .. and then accepted and reset to zero the one who arranged it .. It won't be long before this people will be born with their power ..
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 28 July 2020 10: 41 New
            -4
            Quote: Roman123567
            The people humbly swallowed the increase in the retirement age .. and then accepted and zeroed the one who arranged it

            The people did not humble themselves, the people were indignant and the authorities took measures:
            - removed Medvedev;
            - changed the Basic Law.

            The foreign power represented by the IMF imposed, not only on us, but also on all former socialist and independent people, raising the retirement age, and this became possible thanks to the Constitution of Art. 1. item 14. ".... If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty apply".

            With the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, after July 1 of this year, further interference in our life from outside becomes impossible.

            You mixed the investigation and the consequence into one heap and made the wrong conclusions.
            1. Roman123567
              Roman123567 28 July 2020 10: 54 New
              -1
              The people did not humble themselves, the people were indignant and the authorities took measures:
              - removed Medvedev;
              And here in general Medvedev ..
              Again, why should the boyars be changed by analogy with beds ..
              Whether Medvedev, even Mishustin, or even a horse in an overcoat, this is the same power !!
              changed the Basic Law.
              Changed to please myself .. eureka ..))
              I will repeat once again - the people at first humbly swallowed the increase in the retirement age .. and then accepted and reset the one who arranged it ..
              (Medvedev, by the way, is not in prison .. and has not lost his place of bread)

              Foreign authorities in the person of the IMF imposed not only for us, but for all former socialist and independent, raising the retirement age
              Oooh, how everything is running ... and here the evil west is to blame ..
              As long as such nonsense lives in people's heads, our people will not rise up anywhere !!

              With the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, after July 1 of this year, further interference in our life from outside becomes impossible.
              I thought it was the kids who believed in the joke that Obama was shitting on them in the doorways .. but here you are ..
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 28 July 2020 11: 08 New
                -6
                Quote: Roman123567
                And here in general Medvedev ..

                It was he who, within a week, prepared a draft law on raising the retirement age and his Duma quickly adopted the Law in the first reading and fled on vacation, fearing that something might turn out ...

                Quote: Roman123567
                and then accepted and reset the one who arranged it ..

                What does zeroing have to do with it?
                We are talking about the future of the country, and you are trying to convince me that Putin will definitely go to the next elections. Where such confidence?

                Quote: Roman123567
                Oooh, how everything is running ... and here the evil west is to blame ..

                Do you know who wrote that Constitution for us?

                Quote: Roman123567
                I thought it was the kids who believed in the joke that Obama was shitting on them in the doorways .. but here you are ..

                I will you st. Constitution, and you give me liberal nonsense. Until. hi
            2. Antagonist
              Antagonist 28 July 2020 15: 06 New
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              Quote: Boris55
              removed Medvedev

              well removed, with a whole deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council laughing
              Quote: Boris55
              changed the Basic Law

              as was the basic law of the State Department, so it remained so. it was not necessary to change it, but to accept a new one!
              1. Financier
                Financier 3 August 2020 00: 12 New
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                Quote: Antagonist
                well removed, with a whole deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council

                but he is no longer prime minister, and this is already pleasing yes
                Quote: Antagonist
                accept a new

                what can we say about it now ... how the authorities decided it happened.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 28 July 2020 10: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: Roman123567
        Building socialism under these conditions is like giving birth to a lion for a hare ..

        And what about under Nicholas II, the conditions were different?
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 28 July 2020 11: 12 New
          -1
          I think it was a more confusing time ..
          Now everything is digitalized / systematized .. ordered ..
          Take the same situation with Khabarovsk ... what is not necessary for the authorities, they are silent, which is convenient - they distribute ..
          Previously, people were different .. I would say - village thinking .. MAN ..
          Man with a pitchfork !! Now, in order for a policeman with a knife - you have to be a fool .. slammer, that's all .. Office managers .. at the entrance, not everyone greets .. How can you rally together here ..
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 28 July 2020 12: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Roman123567
            Office managers .. at the entrance, not everyone greets .. How can you rally together here ..

            Under Nicholas, not only a clerk, but even a highly qualified worker or a steam locomotive driver not only did not greet, but did not even live in the same house with ordinary workers. Everything is as it is now.
    2. ninguem
      ninguem 28 July 2020 13: 00 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      If you noticed, then no matter how much they raise us, but life does not get better.

      That's right, that's why you need to change the government.
      Quote: Boris55
      And how did his economy differ from the capitalist one?

      Everyone. The essence of the Soviet economy during Stalin's time can be summarized as follows:
      - public ownership of the means of production;
      - the decisive role of the state in the economy;
      - centralized management;
      - directory planning;
      - a single national economic complex;
      - mobilization character;
      - maximum self-sufficiency;
      - focus primarily on natural (physical) indicators (cost play a supporting role);
      - the limited nature of commodity-money relations;
      - a combination of material and moral labor incentives;
      - ensuring the vital needs of all members of society and a steady increase in living standards, etc.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 29 July 2020 07: 40 New
        0
        Quote: ninguem
        That's right, that's why you need to change the government.

        The social system must be changed. When Putin is replaced by Pupkin, nothing will change.
        Only for God's sake, no revolutions.
        1. Consul
          Consul 3 August 2020 01: 10 New
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          Under the current government, a change in the social system, unfortunately, is not possible.
          The Great October Socialist Revolution was the natural result of social development, class struggle under conditions of monopoly capitalism.
          Lenin.
          So: the Russian liberal bourgeoisie is anti-revolutionary; it can be neither the engine nor, moreover, the leader of the revolution; she is the sworn enemy of the revolution, and a stubborn struggle must be waged against her.
          Stalin
          If modern non-bourgeois do not want to give power to the people, then what do you propose?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 3 August 2020 07: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Consul
            If modern non-bourgeois do not want to give power to the people, then what do you propose?

            Take over control in the elections, starting from the very bottom and further - to the top.

            Management is a word. If earlier, under Lenin and Stalin, only the state had a monopoly on information, its distribution and interpretation. Media, then in the age of the Internet each of us has this right.
  13. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 July 2020 08: 35 New
    +4
    Every year, pensioners are given a thousand rubles, which is most likely compensation for the money spent last year. It seems that there are more rubles, and the pension is kept at the same level.
    1. Antagonist
      Antagonist 28 July 2020 15: 12 New
      12
      Quote: nikvic46
      Each year, pensioners receive a thousand rubles

      780 rubles were added to my mom.
  14. populist
    populist 28 July 2020 08: 47 New
    +3
    Economists, commenting on the data of the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection, say that it is extremely difficult to plan the growth of pensions for 3-4 years in advance in the current macroeconomic environment.

    Such planning is an indicator of professional inadequacy.
    1. vprnik
      vprnik 28 July 2020 09: 24 New
      +1
      Economists, commenting on the data of the Ministry of Labor and Social Protection, say that it is extremely difficult to plan the growth of pensions for 3-4 years in advance in the current macroeconomic environment.

      Such planning is an indicator of professional unsuitability Well, of course - this is a subtle hint of a possible collapse of the ruble (then what is already 5%). I like the fact that after 24 years the size of the increase will be determined by the growth of income. Recently, income growth has been negative))).
  15. Roman123567
    Roman123567 28 July 2020 09: 01 New
    +4
    Constitution, Constitution .. amendments, amendments ..))

    The plan to improve the living standards of pensioners, to which the Russian authorities explained the pension reform in 2018, could go to waste.
    Russian President Vladimir Putin allowed the government freeze pensions in real terms for the next 10 years, follows from the decree on national development goals, published on the Kremlin website.
    The document, signed by Putin on Tuesday, adjusts the goals of the national projects that the Kremlin launched in 2018, promising economic and technological breakthroughs.
    In the May decree of Putin, 3 years ago, 9 goals were fixed, which need to be realized until 2024, including "the growth of the level of pension provision above the inflation rate."
    This wording has been removed from the 2020 decree. Now the government is required to ensure "a steady increase in the level of pension provision not lower than inflation."
    This means that the indexation of pensions can only be carried out by the value with which the consumer price index calculated by Rosstat has grown. In real terms (after deducting inflation), pensions need not be increased.
    The same principle, as follows from Putin's decree, applies to the general living standards of the population. In 2018, the president demanded to ensure “sustainable growth in real incomes of citizens,” that is, income adjusted for inflation. Now the task is being set for incomes to grow "not lower than inflation."
    In real terms, accordingly, even zero income growth will already be considered the implementation of the presidential decree.
    Putin at the same time extended (RESET) until 2030 the terms on all key goals of national projects: reducing poverty by half, increasing life expectancy to 78 years, increasing non-resource exports, increasing the number of people employed in small businesses to 25 million people.


    I promise to promise ..
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 July 2020 09: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Roman123567
      Now the government is required to ensure "a steady increase in the level of pension provision not lower than inflation."

      I am far from an economist, but I get the impression that inflation is calculated according to the principle - if bread and meat have risen in price by 10%, and yachts and diamonds have fallen in price by 10%, then inflation = 0. Salaries and pensions need not be increased. laughing
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 28 July 2020 10: 01 New
        0
        bread and meat have risen in price by 10%, and yachts and diamonds have fallen in price by 10%, then inflation = 0

        Well, in this situation, inflation will also be in the red ..))
  16. Van 16
    Van 16 28 July 2020 09: 05 New
    +7
    Mine, mom and dad, used to cope on their own, but now, in spite of the indexing, no longer. All pension for food and medicine goes away. I already pay for utilities, TV, telephones. This is the increase in pensions, this is the official inflation ..
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 28 July 2020 09: 54 New
      -3
      Probably, health does not improve with age and spending on medicines is growing? I think this is the reason.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 28 July 2020 10: 02 New
        +4
        Health is certainly not improving. But their set of drugs practically does not change every year. Prices are rising.
  17. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 28 July 2020 09: 08 New
    +5
    250 rubles, perhaps, this will be a solid increase for retirees, they make their own salaries 100% at once, ugh, it's disgusting to listen to all this absurdity.
    1. Antagonist
      Antagonist 28 July 2020 15: 16 New
      12
      Quotation: I.P.
      this absurdity

      in our country, in my opinion, is absurd everywhere, especially in the field of pension and medical.
  18. Incomprehensible
    Incomprehensible 28 July 2020 09: 11 New
    -5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    I can’t convince my mother corny, she firmly believes that Uncle Vova has nothing to do with it, the boyars are to blame. I am confident in the correctness of my choice in the presidential elections.

    You may not respect your mother, yourself ... but this is not acceptable to President Putin.
    Trying to belittle him, you are simultaneously doing the same in relation to the majority of the population of Russia. Keep this in mind. And if you are so stubborn in your desire to run into him - open up to the people who you are and what you are, and we will see.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 28 July 2020 09: 18 New
      +2
      in relation to the majority of the population of Russia.

      You somewhere found a second Russia on the globe ..))
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 July 2020 10: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Incomprehensible
      open up to the people who you are and what you are, and we will see.

      Who will watch - you, and why do you associate yourself with all the people? Fight this pretentious tone, you are not the people of Russia, but only a part of it that shrugs off. I see more negativity towards the authorities around me, naturally among working people.
      And yes, I'm not hiding, my name is tied to a real phone, and to a real address. Whoever needs it, they easily recognize, and to each gvovorunu to voice his name is a sign of stupidity, of which I do not suffer. wink
      1. Incomprehensible
        Incomprehensible 28 July 2020 10: 13 New
        -7
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Who will watch - you, and why do you associate yourself with all the people? Fight this pretentious tone, you are not the people of Russia, but only a part of it that shrugs off.


        Comrade Ingvar 72, I am not an Internet scout, your phone numbers and addresses are unnecessary for me.
        If you allow yourself to be familiar with Russian President Putin, I would like to know WHO you are and on what basis you allow yourself to do so.

        The quoted part of your publication is somewhat offensive. I will leave unanswered
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 July 2020 10: 19 New
          +6
          Quote: Incomprehensible
          on what basis do you allow yourself this

          Based on the fact that the president of Russia is an elective office, and the elected one must work for the good of the country and the people, and not for the good of his friends.
          And if an elected employee does not fulfill his official duties (declared), he should at least be fired.
        2. Roman123567
          Roman123567 28 July 2020 10: 25 New
          +1
          on what basis do you allow yourself this.

          Based on the fact that he is robbing the people .. he takes a million rubles from the already poor pensioners, changes the constitution for himself, fearing to lose power .. he is terrified of any opposition, hoping to look like Dartanyan surrounded by Zhirinovskys / Zyuganovs ..
          So with regards to familiarity .. the best thing about him is said in the Ukrainian chant ..
  19. Doccor18
    Doccor18 28 July 2020 09: 22 New
    +3
    REAL growth of pensions ...

    It's good that it's not virtual ...
    Indexation parameters are presented: 6,3 percent, 5,9%, 5,6%, 5,5% - for the years mentioned. These figures were called by the Ministry of Labor "the real growth of pensions in Russia."

    Even inflation will not be kept up ...
    Although we have an official inflation rate of about 2% ..... And the average salary is 35 thousand ..... So officially everything is fine with us ...
  20. Maks1995
    Maks1995 28 July 2020 09: 33 New
    +2
    What inflation is 3-5%.
    I go to the store - simple apples were 70 rubles, now 130 rubles.
    semi-finished product 60 rubles, now 70 rubles,

    They also owe the state all will remain.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 28 July 2020 09: 37 New
      -1
      apples were 70 rubles, now 130 rubles
      They also owe the state all will remain.

      Eat one instead of two apples .. and no one owes anything to anyone ..))
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 28 July 2020 09: 38 New
        +1
        Dreaming. Already should, already ...
  21. Romanenko
    Romanenko 28 July 2020 09: 37 New
    +1
    I remember at the end of the 80s there was a riddle in this regard - What is growing rapidly and imperceptibly in our country?
    Well, I think you can think of the answer yourself
  22. evgen1221
    evgen1221 28 July 2020 09: 51 New
    +2
    It is good for the salary of an official and deputies to think about life on earth, everything is neat and behind the toning of the limousine, very even in pink tones. And put them on an invented mrot and a fixed rate in their specialty, maybe they will start thinking? In the union of Nar, the deputies lived on their salary from enterprises and constantly thought about improving their lives, because their benefits also depended on this.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 28 July 2020 11: 17 New
      -1
      People's deputies in the scoop could only think. Well, still dream. And assent. Because they did not have real power.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 28 July 2020 13: 17 New
        +3
        Nevertheless, the recommendations of the congresses, although in general terms, reached the authorities. And today the authorities know a lot about life below on earth. It's good with a millionaire to argue about the benefits of your next ideas without knowing how it works in practice down there. Government it lives on another planet (quote)
  23. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 28 July 2020 10: 07 New
    -3
    And what, no one has heard about the economic sanctions of the United States and NATO countries, and why have they been increasing them for six years, no one has yet understood?
    Maybe I didn't understand it with my brains, but I felt it as a fifth point ...
  24. iouris
    iouris 28 July 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    Propaganda and promises are one and the same. There will probably still be pensions (for a while), but under certain conditions.
  25. Incomprehensible
    Incomprehensible 28 July 2020 10: 23 New
    -4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Incomprehensible
    on what basis do you allow yourself this

    Based on the fact that the president of Russia is an elective office, and the elected one must work for the good of the country and the people, and not for the good of his friends.
    And if an elected employee does not fulfill his official duties (declared), he should at least be fired.

    This is not a reason to get personal, especially to the leader of the country, with great support among the population.
  26. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 July 2020 10: 47 New
    0
    I have the impression that those who are calculating indexation live in another state. Bread and that in Sochi have risen in price from 32 rubles to 36 rubles from Armenian friends, and in the network up to 42 rubles. And so everywhere on products. Cereals have risen in price steeply. Rice immediately for 30 rubles.
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 28 July 2020 11: 04 New
      +2
      This is the essence of Putin's stability.
  27. vit670
    vit670 28 July 2020 10: 51 New
    +2
    It's like a dog: they throw a bone and it gnaws so that it doesn't bark! So with these promises. Discuss and don't bark! And the exhaust will be zero!
  28. Mishka78
    Mishka78 28 July 2020 12: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. All of these indexations are offset by higher prices for food and basic necessities.

    I sincerely do not understand how the annual inflation rate of 3-4% is calculated.
    My wife records all expenses. In January (including 10 days of holidays when I ate at home) we spent 52 thousand on food. Family of 3 people. I, wife, daughter. Moscow. We buy 90% at the Crossroads.
    In June, we spent 84 thousand there. Considering that I don't have lunch at work at all.
    The total increase in expenses for food alone is 40%.
    I don’t know how 4% inflation is obtained with such figures.
    What that monthly minimum grocery basket is calculated - it costs 4000. How can a person eat 4 thousand? Living in the city? A sliced ​​loaf costs 30 rubles. If you only eat 1 loaf a day, that's already 900 rubles a month. Our statistics is some kind of enchanting PPC.
  29. Mishka78
    Mishka78 28 July 2020 12: 40 New
    +4
    Quote: Boris55
    The foreign government represented by the IMF imposed, not only on us, but also on all former socialist and independent people, raising the retirement age, and this became possible thanks to the Constitution of Art. 1. item 14. ".... If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty are applied."

    With the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, after July 1 of this year, further interference in our life from outside becomes impossible.

    Kindergarten. Briefs with straps.
    If the contract is unprofitable for you and does not correspond to your interests, you should leave or not conclude such an agreement, and not tell that we are playing here, and here we wrap the fish ..
    Which IMF imposed? What an absurdity. We subsidize this very IMF. We contain it. We do not attract loans from him. This IMF did not bother us.