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The Czech press reacts negatively to the data on the disappearance of the name of Vlasov from the memorial near Moscow

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The Czech press reacts negatively to the data on the disappearance of the name of Vlasov from the memorial near Moscow

The Czech press reacts rather negatively to information about the disappearance of the name of General Vlasov from the monument to the defenders of Moscow. Aktualne is one of the Czech newspapers that decided to react to the data on the disappearance of Vlasov's name from the memorial plate in Yakhroma. This Czech publication some time ago actively covered the dismantling of the monument to Marshal Ivan Konev, making it clear that it supports the initiative of the representatives of the Prague-6 municipality who made such a decision.


The Czech edition writes that General Vlasov "distinguished himself near Moscow as the commander of one of the Soviet armies that forced the Germans to retreat."

Further in the material:

Vlasov was later taken prisoner and joined the Nazis as the leader of the Russian Liberation Army (ROA), whose members are known as the Vlasovites. After the war, Vlasov was hanged as a traitor and an accomplice of the Nazis.

An important nuance, which is not told to Czech readers: Vlasov was not taken prisoner, he himself deliberately decided to be captured by the Germans, after which he immediately made it clear that he was ready for the closest cooperation with the Nazis. And historians are still arguing about the "special differences" of Vlasov near Moscow. Many documents indicate that Vlasov arrived to command the army already at the stage when the Nazi offensive near Moscow was drowning.

Against this background, the Czech edition cites the tirade of blogger Adagamov, who fled to the Czech Republic, who considers himself to be a figure of "irreconcilable opposition". Adagamov, in his account, accused those who had removed the name of Vlasov from a memorial plate in the Moscow region of “rewriting stories". And where, I wonder, was Mr. Adagamov when the monument to Marshal Konev was demolished in Prague? Or is Mr. Adagamov not referring to attempts to rewrite history? The approach is well-known: I see here, I don't see here.

In the Czech Republic, heightened attention was paid to the data on the memorial plaque with the name of Vlasov, primarily for the reason that recently the authorities of this country have been promoting the initiative to erect a monument in memory of the Vlasovites. The local council of Prague announced the need to implement the project of the memorial, since "the Vlasovites in 1945 actively helped the citizens of Prague to fight the Nazis." And the project has already begun to be implemented.

An amazing approach to history: the fact that the Vlasovites swore allegiance to the Nazis, the Czech authorities now prefer to "forget", but, at the explicit instigation of partners from a completely different state, promote the ideas of "heroism" of Vlasov collaborators and criminals. On the other hand, the attempts of the Czech authorities can be explained as follows: after all, it is becoming more and more difficult to hide the facts that the Czechoslovak regime during the war years more and more not fought against Nazism, but created Hitler's military arsenal. The one who ruined millions of Soviet lives. That is why there is a growing Czech emphasis on the fact that collaborators are "heroes" and true heroes are "stranglers of democratic freedoms."
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  1. svp67
    svp67 27 July 2020 19: 06 New
    33
    The Czech press reacts negatively to the data on the disappearance of the name of Vlasov from the memorial near Moscow
    Excuse me, but they WHAT DOES it matter before?
    Removed and CORRECT, the name of the TRAITOR should be erased from the monuments
    Many documents indicate that Vlasov arrived to command the army already at the stage when the Nazi offensive near Moscow was drowning.
    And nevertheless, that Stalin, that Zhukov highly appreciated Vlasov's actions in the Moscow battle, but he crossed out all this with his betrayal
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 27 July 2020 19: 14 New
      22
      Excuse me, but they WHAT DOES it matter before?
      I will correct you. we do not care, to who, where, said or thought something. Either whole nalyistic articles about the land, now everyone will rush to curse the Czechs ..
      Honestly, we don't care how the Czechs live and think. I really want to live in a world where the government, journalists, people are interested in life in their country
      1. DeKo
        DeKo 27 July 2020 19: 20 New
        +3
        Sometimes you need to let off steam
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 27 July 2020 20: 16 New
          +8
          That's all the Czechs want to say ... well, for all the ban. :(
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 27 July 2020 21: 36 New
            16
            The fact that the Czechs should not care about this is clear to us, and the Czechs too - they just need to stir up a scandal for any reason. They get paid for it.
            I have another question - HOW DOES VLASOV'S NAME END ON THE MEMORIAL OF HEROES?
            1. gsev
              gsev 27 July 2020 23: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              HOW DOES VLASOV'S NAME END ON THE MEMORIAL OF HEROES?

              My father worked at the Institute for Physical Problems in the 1950s. One of the employees of this institute, according to her father, was ready to scratch out her eyes for a bad word about Vlasov in those days. For some time she served with Vlasov until his surrender. On the other hand, one of the US generals, the winner of the Saratoga (American Stalingrad War of Independence), went over to the British. And in the USA, for a long time, his name was forgotten. They said that only the amputated leg before the betrayal of this general was left on the memorial monument. The Vlasov phenomenon must be honestly analyzed by Russian historians, and in any case, Russia, as an independent state, must choose its attitude towards Vlasov .. The Czech Republic is also an independent state and has the right to act on its land of its own free will. But each of us must keep these actions in mind. For example, after dismantling the monument to Soviet tankmen and Konev, I never use Czech automation in my work. Apparently, the Czechs honoring the memory of Vlasov as the savior of the citizens of Prague from the brutal SS men made similar conclusions regarding Russian products.
              1. boriz
                boriz 28 July 2020 00: 51 New
                +2
                "The Vlasov phenomenon must be honestly analyzed by Russian historians ..."
                Professional historians do not know how to work honestly. They will wait for installations from above. On this basis, all kinds of Rezuns, Corned beef, etc. appear.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 28 July 2020 05: 00 New
                  +4
                  Quote: boriz
                  "The Vlasov phenomenon must be honestly analyzed by Russian historians ..."
                  Professional historians do not know how to work honestly. They will wait for installations from above. On this basis, all kinds of Rezuns, Corned beef, etc. appear.
                  there is such Kirill Aleksandrov, born in the 70s, with 2 higher. He devoted his life to praising Vlasov, his "fight against Bolshevism" negative Defended his thesis in St. Petersburg, later canceled.
                2. svp67
                  svp67 28 July 2020 05: 03 New
                  +4
                  Quote: boriz
                  Professional historians do not know how to work honestly. They will wait for installations from above. On this basis, all kinds of Rezuns, Corned beef, etc. appear.

                  Forgive me, but what does Rezun and Solonin have to do with professional historians? Neither one has a historical education, they are just "clickers" and "hyipovschiki"
                3. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 28 July 2020 07: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: boriz
                  all kinds of Rezuny, Corned beef, etc.
                  emerge from the relationship you have demonstrated. As they say, demand creates supply ...
                4. Hagen
                  Hagen 28 July 2020 07: 47 New
                  -1
                  Quote: boriz
                  Professional historians do not know how to work honestly.

                  Some not entirely smart statement ...
            2. Good forester
              Good forester 28 July 2020 08: 03 New
              +3
              I support the author that the name of Vlasov should not have been on the memorial with the heroes. I have another question, that he ended up there, was this intentional? I think yes. The author of the memorial could not help but know who General Vlasov was.
        2. figwam
          figwam 27 July 2020 22: 14 New
          +1
          It's just that we have good relations with the Czech Republic, the Americans break them over the knee so that we become enemies.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 July 2020 19: 31 New
        10
        Quote: Gardamir
        Honestly, we don't care how the Czechs live and think.

        When they start shooting at us, it will be too late to find out "what the Czechs are thinking"
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 July 2020 20: 12 New
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          When they start shooting at us, it will be too late to find out "what the Czechs are thinking"

          Shall we relay their pro-Nazi propaganda in the hope that, in gratitude for this, one day, perhaps, they will have mercy on us and will not shoot at us? Let's introduce a separate subject in schools: "What do the Czechs think?"
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 27 July 2020 20: 14 New
            10
            Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Shall we relay their pro-Nazi propaganda in the hope that, in gratitude for this, one day, perhaps, they will have mercy on us and will not shoot at us?

            No.
            We will relay it so that everyone understands that the Czechs are not our friends at all.

            Greetings to buyers of Czech beer.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 July 2020 22: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Greetings to buyers of Czech beer.

              Guinness only, Ireland only. Although the office, most likely, no longer belongs to the Irish.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 27 July 2020 20: 13 New
          0
          May they never start shooting, this is what should be expected from the Poles and the Hungarians.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 27 July 2020 20: 39 New
            10
            Quote: Sea Cat
            May they never start shooting

            Where will they go.
            It is now possible to play in democracy, and in case of escalation, the Americans will put them in order, and will not even dare to utter a word.
            They have already started tightening the nuts.
          2. DeKo
            DeKo 27 July 2020 21: 01 New
            0
            Czechs are as corrupt as Poles and Bulgarians. Think back to recent history (30 years)
          3. PSih2097
            PSih2097 27 July 2020 21: 22 New
            -1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            May they never start shooting, this is what should be expected from the Poles and the Hungarians.

            no, they will not, since everyone understands that the response will be targeted and specific, the same states will not harness the abovementioned for a simple reason, because NATO was created as a defensive alliance, but no one will fit in for an attack, because it can "Voivoda" to arrive, or other representatives of the Strategic Missile Forces.
          4. 1976AG
            1976AG 27 July 2020 22: 40 New
            +5
            Quote: Sea Cat
            May they never start shooting, this is what should be expected from the Poles and the Hungarians.


            Once we thought about the Ukrainians ...
          5. hohol95
            hohol95 27 July 2020 22: 55 New
            +3
            Czechs and Slovaks, according to the custom of their ancestors, will supply cartridges and shells ...
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 27 July 2020 23: 49 New
              +2
              Alexey, I cannot agree with the Slovaks. When Hitler attacked Poland, they were completely at war against the Poles, but when they were sent to Russia, everything turned out exactly the opposite. And if the Czechs regularly riveted weapons and equipment for the army of "Great Germany", then in Slovakia there was one of the most powerful partisan movements and, by the way, Soviet officers commanded these units. I think that even now little has changed, at least in relation to the Czechs, they are cowardly to fight, but they will, as always, supply arms to the whole of Europe, and with pleasure.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 28 July 2020 16: 01 New
                +1
                When Hitler attacked Poland, they were completely at war against the Poles, but when they were sent to Russia, everything turned out exactly the opposite.

                Good afternoon, Konstantin!
                As for the Slovaks. Warspot.ru had a series of articles dedicated to the "adventures of Slovaks in the USSR".
                17 articles!
                And let's not forget the Slovak pilots who "helped" the Luftwaffe in the fight against the Red Army Air Force.
                Jan Rezniak - 32 victories protected him!
        3. ninguem
          ninguem 27 July 2020 21: 51 New
          15
          Quote: Spade
          When they start shooting at us

          When they, or someone else, start shooting at us, then personally to me it will be purple what they thought earlier. I mean that we have enough worries in our country even without our "partners". And the fact that the "partners" of our country are our enemies, I personally know that.
        4. Doliva63
          Doliva63 27 July 2020 22: 00 New
          -3
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Gardamir
          Honestly, we don't care how the Czechs live and think.

          When they start shooting at us, it will be too late to find out "what the Czechs are thinking"

          What the Czechs were thinking, one had to think about when the Union was falling apart. Now what's the difference? We are now part of the global democratic community laughing
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 27 July 2020 22: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        Honestly, we don't care how the Czechs live and think.


        absolutely on a drum if they do not demolish monuments to our soldiers, relying thousands of lives for their liberation from fascism and do not demand us to honor the traitors of the Motherland who have deserted to Hitler.

        I really want to live in a world where the government, journalists, people are interested in life in their country


        this expression is akin to "I am for world peace" firmly stuck to empty-headed beauties at all kinds of beauty contests.
        And those who understand with their heads that all these attacks are intended to rewrite history and take away from us the victory over Hitler, making the USSR an aggressor on a par with Germany, from which the "innocent" Europe suffered.
        As a result, the consequences in the form of being deprived of a seat in the UN Security Council with the right of veto, challenging the borders of Russia as a result of World War II + the demand for reparations from all European and not only countries.
      4. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 27 July 2020 23: 14 New
        -4
        Quote: Gardamir
        we do not care, to who, where, said or thought something.

        You are apolitical, dear. Vee on vergl is not in a cure that having a business in a friendly Czech Republic is normal for a business in the UK. and Politsaev .. One of his positions is Bastrykin, says how warmly the trough fit into European affairs. For the sake of such a sweet status, this business structure is ready to go to any kind of corruption against the indignation of the masses. Namely --- against those quoted here ... .. IN SHORT .. The fifth column is moving forward for protests in the fall .. That is what right now in the Far East is a nightmare of the federal authorities and instead of a clown, a STATE OFFICER should have been sent. But the Kremlin decided to save money and now it will probably get a protest going beyond Khabarovsk.
      5. DrEng527
        DrEng527 28 July 2020 00: 35 New
        -2
        Quote: Gardamir
        Honestly, we don't care how the Czechs live and think.

        1) it is not the Czechs who rule the media, but their owners
        2) exactly on the drum - we have a soy system of values, it's a pity that you don't understand this ...
      6. Ka-52
        Ka-52 28 July 2020 05: 20 New
        +1
        Gardamir Yesterday, 19: 14
        I will correct you. we do not care, to who, where, said or thought something. Either whole naliticheskie articles about the land, now wait everyone will rush to curse the Czechs.

        ek you are offended that the opinion of the Czechs on the Vlasovites is condemned.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 27 July 2020 19: 16 New
      11
      Sergey, hi
      This is what matters to them: the attempts of the Czech authorities can be explained as follows: after all, it is becoming more and more difficult to hide the facts that the Czechoslovak regime during the war years more and more not fought against Nazism, but created Hitler's military arsenal. The one who ruined millions of Soviet lives. That is why there is a growing Czech emphasis on the fact that collaborators are "heroes" and true heroes are "stranglers of democratic freedoms."
      Another thing is that we need to calmly, based on the documents, accuse the Czech Republic of abetting fascism and trying to justify Nazism. Along the way, you can raise the issue of concentration camps, etc.
      And Vlasov ... but don't give a damn about this bastard. Lousy traitor
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: stock buildbat
        During the war years, the Czechoslovak regime more and more not fought against Nazism, but created Hitler's military arsenal.

        And there is not a very small potential, where God forbid memory, a third part. As they say in the village, "Whose cow would moan, but your gentlemen were silent."
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 21: 00 New
        0
        Quote: stock buildbat
        That is why there is a growing Czech emphasis on the fact that collaborators are "heroes" and true heroes are "stranglers of democratic freedoms."

        Released on their own head.
    3. major147
      major147 27 July 2020 19: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Excuse me, but they WHAT DOES it matter before?
      Removed and CORRECT, the name of the TRAITOR should be erased from the monuments

      This is our internal affair and not a trace of Hitler's accomplices to poke their pig's snout!
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 27 July 2020 21: 57 New
      +5
      Remember Czech Current, for us, there is no "General Vlasov" in our memory, but there was, is and will be General Karbyshev! soldier
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 28 July 2020 04: 49 New
        +1
        We have our own Vlasov - Konstantin, who survived 1 of 2 fighters holding the "nameless" height. The second is Lapin, from Donetsk. This is OUR. Since it is impossible for Czechs to live without Vlasov, they have a ready, hero, a real Russian man, an example for all Czechs, a real K. Vlasov. And Czechs have nothing to do with sophistry.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 28 July 2020 17: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Siberian
          We have our own Vlasov - Konstantin, who survived 1 of 2 fighters holding the "nameless" height. The second is Lapin, from Donetsk. This is OUR.

          That's it!
  2. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 27 July 2020 19: 13 New
    +3
    Czechs consider only National Socialism to be socialism with a human face.
    Upon arrival in the Russian Federation, one must demand that the Czechs repent for their service to Hitler and thank the Russian Federation for 1968.
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 27 July 2020 19: 16 New
    +8
    How did the name of Vlasov end up on the monument?
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 27 July 2020 19: 43 New
      +3
      His army was liberating Solnechnogorsk. He became Stalin's favorite. But not for long.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 July 2020 20: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Poetiszaugla
        His army was liberating Solnechnogorsk. He became Stalin's favorite. But not for long.

        They say that everything was much, much more complicated there. And it's not all about Stalin's sympathies. As far as I remember, Vlasov was one of the few non-repressed members of the group of military advisers in China. Which leads to quite obvious conclusions
        1. Poetry
          Poetry 27 July 2020 20: 04 New
          +2
          It turns out that he was also a snitch? Not surprised, to be honest. I know that when Stalin learned about the 2nd Shock Army, his face turned black.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Poetiszaugla
        His army was liberating Solnechnogorsk. He became Stalin's favorite. But not for long.

        Betrayed his homeland, he was hanged. Hitler's Rommel and Canaris were also favorites, ate the Reich and were also killed. At all times, traitors were treated like this. And for some reason the Czechs are not interested in the fate of Rommel and Canaris.
        1. Poetry
          Poetry 27 July 2020 20: 11 New
          +2
          A dog's death. They say that Vlasov tried to get out of Prague in a woman's dress. But our patrol identified him.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: Poetiszaugla
            A dog's death. They say that Vlasov tried to get out of Prague in a woman's dress. But our patrol identified him.

            No, somewhere in a little car I was hiding under carpets, I didn't have time, I was caught. I read the book of one of our scouts, he described everything there.
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 28 July 2020 08: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And for some reason the Czechs are not interested in the fate of Rommel and Canaris.

          The Czechs themselves, I think, do not care about Vlasov from the high bell tower. There is a complex confrontation between Russia and the consolidated West, fueled by, among others, and on the technical side. information front. There are special structures in the West dealing with the psychological struggle against Russia. Here they are all painful points of our history and "work out". One of the methods of opposition is provoking our public opinion into hostile manifestations in relation to Czechs as a people. The goal is simple - to give birth to a reciprocal feeling of hostility among the Czechs towards Russians in general, to plant in their thoughts the image of an enemy and the need to increase funding for NATO's budget.
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 27 July 2020 20: 36 New
        +3
        Even the rhyme was like this:
        "The cannons spoke in a bass voice, the military thunder rumbled, General Comrade Vlasov asked the Germans pepper"
        "General Comrade Vlasov"
      4. gsev
        gsev 27 July 2020 23: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Poetiszaugla
        His army was liberating Solnechnogorsk.

        There are memories of Sandalov. They are considered the most honest memoirs about the early stages of the war. But again Vlasov has not been studied by historians. For a long time, the study of its phenomenon was taboo. This ignorance is used by our "partners".
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 July 2020 19: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: BARKAS
      How did the name of Vlasov end up on the monument?

    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 13 New
      0
      Quote: BARKAS
      How did the name of Vlasov end up on the monument?

      The monument in Dmitrov was erected in 2005. Who, of course, is clear to you.
    4. Avior
      Avior 27 July 2020 20: 32 New
      +1
      this is a stele with gratitude to the units and formations that liberated the Dmitrov district,
      together with the armies, they wrote the commanders, chief of staff and members of the military council, so Vlasov got on the slab.

      write that the stove was delivered in 2005.
    5. Rzzz
      Rzzz 27 July 2020 23: 17 New
      -1
      Quote: BARKAS
      How did the name of Vlasov end up on the monument?

      In fact, a monument to the "heroes of the battle for Moscow." It concerns only this battle, not the whole war. In the battle for Moscow, Vlasov and his army showed their best side. What happened next was no longer a battle for Moscow.
      And he was captured not quite like that, according to the official version, after the failure of the Luban operation, he left the encirclement, stopped in some village, where grateful peasants handed him over to the Fritzes.

      Why am I writing all this. I don’t want to justify anyone there, or, on the contrary, condemn, I think that I no longer have the right to do so. But! First, for the sake of a more truthful presentation of information, so that there is less manipulation of facts. Secondly, I really do not like the fight against monuments. In Ukraine - Lenins, in the former socialist countries - Soviet soldiers. In America, in general, everyone is white, from Columbus to Lincoln. Now this nonsense has come to us chtoli ???
      Thirdly, I believe that we no longer have the right to judge. We were not there, we know the war at best from textbooks, and many now - so generally from public pages in social networks, where everyone writes their own account. We cannot understand what drove Vlasov in his actions, especially since he clearly did not fight for his own skin.
      Contemporaries figured it out and made a decision. It remains for us to study and remember.

      In general, the author's rhetoric looks like something on the Kiselev show. He also brands everyone with indelible shame.
  4. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 27 July 2020 19: 17 New
    +5
    The names of the traitors should be crossed out from everywhere, no matter what he did before he betrayed.
    1. dedusik
      dedusik 27 July 2020 19: 20 New
      +2
      It would be better if they attended to the demolition of the monument to Marshal Ivan Stepanovich Konev. am
    2. Constanty
      Constanty 27 July 2020 19: 40 New
      0
      Holy truth!
      In Poland, some consider Colonel Kuklinsky a hero, while a traitor remains a traitor. He betrayed his homeland and the oath he had taken earlier.
      A similar scandal was the awarding of the Virtutti Militari Order to the commander of the 14th SS Galizzia Division Pavel Shandruk by the Polish authorities in exile for his activities in September 1939.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The names of the traitors should be crossed out from everywhere, no matter what he did before he betrayed.
      "The name of General Andrei Vlasov has disappeared from the memorial of the battle for Moscow in Dmitrov, near Moscow." This was reported by the Telegram channel "Podyem".
      According to him, the inscription with the general's surname was erased at the request of the Ministry of Defense. The department called the military leader who went over to the side of Hitler's Germany a traitor and a traitor to his homeland. The monument was erected in 2005. There are still plenty of democrats and liberals.
      1. BAI
        BAI 27 July 2020 21: 49 New
        +4
        The inscriptions from the monuments have always been erased. After the restoration of 1962, the surname of his wife's grandfather disappeared from the memorial to the Battle of Kursk, although he not only died at the Kursk Bulge, but not yet before his death he had time to be awarded the "Red Star" for his courage in battles. Why did the surname disappear? But because a Jew. Well, a Jew cannot be the defender of the Motherland, in the opinion of many then and now.
        1. Victor67
          Victor67 27 July 2020 22: 19 New
          0
          You don’t write nonsense here, during the Second World War the Jews fought no worse than others, if my memory serves me, there were only XNUMX Heroes of the Soviet Union, among them legends: Smushkevich, Katukov, Dragunsky (two stars each), dozens of generals and hundreds of ordinary fighters, not counting the full holders of the Order of Glory. And the question is: how did this grandfather of yours manage to get the Red Star at the Kursk Bulge and die there? Were there presentations on the Internet for approval?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 July 2020 22: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: BAI
          Well, a Jew cannot be the defender of the Motherland, in the opinion of many then and now.

          Well, you got it wrong. I lived in a shared kitchen with a WWII veteran, also a Jew, because he had an iconostasis full of his chest.
        3. Victor67
          Victor67 28 July 2020 15: 51 New
          0
          You did not answer how your wife's grandfather managed to accomplish a feat in a month and a half of battles on the Kursk Bulge, go through all the approvals for awarding the Order of the Red Star and die, if not difficult, write.
        4. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 29 July 2020 09: 06 New
          0
          Well, where do you get your nonsense from? I have a feeling that anti-Semitism is hammered into the head of the Jews. For normal people, it doesn't matter what nationality those who defended their homeland have. Jews are looking for anti-Semitism all the time, like blacks for racism.
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 27 July 2020 21: 08 New
      +1
      I would not erase Vlasov's name from the monument. I would make a postscript - "in 1942 I became a traitor" And then the 20th Army is in the Moscow Battle, but it has no commander.
      1. gsev
        gsev 27 July 2020 23: 26 New
        0
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        I would not erase Vlasov's name from the monument.

        In the United States, Arnold acted as now with Vlasov for the edification of all future traitors.
  5. Well
    Well done 27 July 2020 19: 18 New
    +1
    Czechs) What they fought for, they ran into it.
  6. DeKo
    DeKo 27 July 2020 19: 20 New
    +1
    If I don’t confuse anything, and I don’t, then this blogger Agdamov used to be signed by cornet Stetsko
  7. businessv
    businessv 27 July 2020 19: 20 New
    +6
    created Hitler's military arsenal. The one who ruined millions of Soviet lives. That is why there is a growing Czech emphasis on the fact that collaborators are "heroes" and true heroes are "stranglers of democratic freedoms."
    I think that there is simply no need to tear your heart out proving things that are obvious to us to people who do not want to know these things! This behavior and similar statements were described back in the 19th century by our great Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky:
    "" There will be no Russia, and never has been, such haters,
    envious, slanderous, and even overt enemies, like all these Slavic
    tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe will agree to recognize
    their liberated! On liberation, they will begin their new life,
    I repeat, precisely from what they beg for themselves from Europe, from England and Germany
    for example, guarantee and patronage of their freedom, and even in concert
    Russia will also have European powers, but they are in defense of Russia
    they will do it. They will certainly begin with what is within themselves, if not
    right out loud, they will announce to themselves and convince themselves that they are not Russia
    owe the slightest gratitude. Maybe a whole century, or
    even more, they will constantly tremble for their freedom and fear
    love of power of Russia; they will crouch in front of european
    states will slander Russia, gossip on it and
    intrigue against her. Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be such
    who will understand what it means, it means and will mean Russia for them
    is always. They will understand all the greatness and all the holiness of the cause of Russia and the great
    ideas, the banner of which she will put in humanity. But these people, especially
    at first they will appear in such a miserable minority that they will be exposed
    ridicule, hatred and even political persecution. Especially nice
    will be for the liberated Slavs to voice and trumpet the whole world,
    that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European
    culture, while Russia is a barbaric, gloomy northern country
    colossus, not even pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater
    European civilization. They, of course, will appear, from the very beginning,
    constitutional administration, parliaments, responsible ministers,
    speakers, speeches. Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that everything
    these liberated Slavs will rush with rapture to Europe, before losing
    personalities will become infected with European forms, political and
    social, and thus will have to survive the whole and long
    the period of europeanism before they comprehend at least something in their
    Slavic significance and in its special Slavic calling among
    of mankind "."
    F.M. Dostoevsky
    "One very special word about the Slavs, which I have long wanted
    to tell"
    The diary of a writer. September - November 1877
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 27 July 2020 19: 30 New
      +1
      Genius! This is about Ukraine - Serbia, etc. + my Kazakhstan (separately). On the borders with the "brothers-Slavs" a poster with a Very Large Type. And on both sides - ours is also useful ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: businessv
      I think that there is simply no need to tear your heart out proving things that are obvious to us to people who do not want to know these things!
      "... for the benefit of the people who, in the moment of trial, without asking how others acted according to the rules in similar cases, with simple and easy pick up the first available club and nail it until its feeling of insult and revenge is replaced in the soul scorn and pity "
      Leo Tolstoy "War and Peace"
    3. BAI
      BAI 27 July 2020 21: 55 New
      +1
      One must be more careful with Dostoevsky's quotes. If the version that his portrait hung in Hitler's office is quite controversial, then from his quotation “Reason and science in the life of peoples have always, now and since the beginning of centuries, performed only a secondary and official position; they will continue to do so until the end of the centuries. Nations are formed and move by a different force, commanding and dominating, but the origin of which is unknown and inexplicable ”, the dissertation of Goebbels began - an indisputable fact.
      1. gsev
        gsev 27 July 2020 23: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        the dissertation of Goebbels began - an indisputable fact.

        For some time Goebbels was the brightest anti-Nazi propagandist .... Until Hitler offered him to manage all the propaganda in his party and the corresponding cookies.
      2. businessv
        businessv 28 July 2020 17: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: BAI
        the dissertation of Goebbels began - an indisputable fact.

        I don't understand why one should be careful with quotes from a genius, if several nonhumans used his works and quotes to justify their unseemly, or even shameful activities? You have to be careful when hearing the statements of the Nazis and other evil spirits, you have to live with everything else!
  8. Magic archer
    Magic archer 27 July 2020 19: 21 New
    +7
    I'll tell you what I think. I consider any monument or memorial to Vlasov as a betrayal. This is the path of shame. Such as Ukraine is going on. With their Mazepa, Bandera and other collaborators. I am ashamed of the people who consider them heroes ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 20: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      With their Mazepa, Bandera and other collaborators. I am ashamed of the people who consider them heroes.

      A.S. Pushkin wrote about Mazepa well in the poem "Poltava". Branded for centuries.
  9. Smoked
    Smoked 27 July 2020 19: 22 New
    -4
    Do you know what makes you happy? That every day there are fewer and fewer people who pay attention to such "news from history", seeing with their own eyes how their own local authorities treat this story.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 July 2020 19: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Smoked
      Do you know what makes you happy? That every day there are fewer and fewer people who pay attention to such "news from history"

      Are you sure people are less and less responsive to attempts to distort history?
      Oh well...
      1. Dzot
        Dzot 27 July 2020 19: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: Smoked
        Do you know what makes you happy? That every day there are fewer and fewer people who pay attention to such "news from history"

        Are you sure people are less and less responsive to attempts to distort history?
        Oh well...

        This has been going on in the west for a long time Sergey ... And it is useful to make excuses here without! It is necessary to crush the bourgeoisie and their essence, as before in the USSR.

        Everything goes in a circle ..
  10. Alexga
    Alexga 27 July 2020 19: 37 New
    0
    Are the covers completely off your head?
    1. Dzot
      Dzot 27 July 2020 19: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexGa
      Are the covers completely off your head?

      They earn money and "our powers that be" bought a lot of real estate there .. and their kids are there. So they start rushing!
      The State Duma is silent hehe
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 27 July 2020 20: 09 New
        0
        The amendments to the Constitution were adopted, and when will they be implemented? Mess!
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  12. iouris
    iouris 27 July 2020 19: 51 New
    +3
    The Czech Republic is the EU. The EU is the Fourth Reich. The Fourth Reich is the new Drang nach Osten. ROA is the SS. SS are "actions" on the territory of the USSR. The future "European Army" is the successor of the SS, therefore the SS and the Vlasovites are whitewashed and glorified. Therefore, the EU (and all modern Vlasovites) "react negatively." What is not clear to the population?
  13. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 27 July 2020 20: 06 New
    +1
    The Czech press reacts rather negatively to information about the disappearance of the name of General Vlasov from the monument to the defenders of Moscow

    I don't give a damn about the Czechs and their opinion, something else struck: we really had Vlasov inscribed in a similar plate? !!! This is a complete paragraph.
    1. iouris
      iouris 28 July 2020 10: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
      We really had Vlasov inscribed in a similar plate? !!!

      And you do not see the Vlasovites around? This is not a paragraph, but an album.
  14. Campanella
    Campanella 27 July 2020 20: 07 New
    0
    Czechs seem to have nothing to do, they live in communism ...
    After the USSR, the former countries of the socialist camp went headlong into revelry.
    Freed from the oppression of Russia, well, rejoice, Schnicks! Why climb with your snout back to where you barely carried your feet? Well, aren't they downs?
    1. iouris
      iouris 28 July 2020 11: 02 New
      0
      These are not some "Czechs", this is the EU. Themselves "Czechs" in the mass can be very pleasant and adequate people.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 28 July 2020 14: 06 New
        0
        I understand this and when I write about a particular nation I mean politicians and local passionaries who support them. Although it is clear that propaganda changes the thinking of ordinary citizens too. Ukraine is an example of this.
  15. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 27 July 2020 20: 07 New
    0
    how nervous these European countries with low social responsibility are ... and the Czech Republic (forge of weapons of the Reich) would shut up ... weathercocks without principles
  16. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 27 July 2020 20: 17 New
    0
    Oh, how insulting, the Vlasovites "saved" Prague, and Marshal Konev took away their laurels!
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 July 2020 20: 58 New
    0
    I don't care how they react! There will still be Nazi lackeys discussing something.
  18. Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 27 July 2020 21: 07 New
    0
    All this European Caudlo all my life. I dreamed of beating the Russians ... well, what kind of opinion they will have about Russia ... therefore, as soon as articles of outright Russophobia and honors to the traitors of Russia appear ... buy up all this material and recycle it into toilet paper ... and loudly advertise it to the international community and partners ..
  19. zwlad
    zwlad 27 July 2020 21: 08 New
    0
    "Ay, Pug! Know she is strong,
    What bark at the Elephant! "
  20. Shuttle
    Shuttle 27 July 2020 21: 09 New
    0
    1
    Adagamov, in his account, accused those who removed Vlasov's name from a memorial plate in the Moscow region of "rewriting history." And where, I wonder, was Mr. Adagamov when the monument to Marshal Konev was demolished in Prague? Or is Mr. Adagamov not referring to attempts to rewrite history? The approach is well-known: I see here, I don't see here.

    # You don't understand this other thing!
  21. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 27 July 2020 21: 20 New
    +1
    And what was the name of this exaggeration doing at this memorial? Posthumously sentenced to life, trampled into the mud once and for all
  22. xomaNN
    xomaNN 27 July 2020 21: 27 New
    0
    Monuments were erected along the Transsib in the footsteps of the bloody White Czechs from the Chekhkorpus. "To the executioners from the descendants of Siberians, citizens of Russia." So it's time to "close our eyes" to some hooligans who made them unusable at night. Maybe they are the same vandals as the Czechs in Prague. The Russian authorities are out of business hi
  23. Shadow041
    Shadow041 27 July 2020 21: 37 New
    +1
    Let the Czechs divide the Tesh region with the Poles, which haunts them, but in Russia they will sort it out without the Czechs.
  24. BAI
    BAI 27 July 2020 21: 42 New
    -4
    An important nuance, which is not told to Czech readers: Vlasov was not taken prisoner, he himself deliberately decided to be captured by the Germans, after which he immediately made it clear that he was ready for the closest cooperation with the Nazis.

    An important nuance, which is not told to Russian readers: the 2nd shock and attached units and formations (she was not the only one there) was driven into the cauldron and thrown there without any help, i.e. betrayed.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 28 July 2020 12: 35 New
      +2
      Stop repeating clichés over and over again ... thank God the archives are open and there are all the documents and everything is clearly and clearly described in this tragedy ... and you don't need to gradually, they say, they drove in, threw Vlasov and it seems like it was not his fault and all that ..
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 28 July 2020 18: 24 New
        +1
        Vlasov is guilty of betrayal. It's enough. The fact that he received from Klykov the 2nd Shock, already surrounded and incapacitated, has nothing to do with betrayal.
  25. north 2
    north 2 27 July 2020 22: 23 New
    +1
    Until now, like a relay race from the times of the USSR, Russia hesitates to loudly declare and show the real role of such countries as the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland in the service of Nazi Germany before the war and during the war. Under the USSR, this was due to the fact that somehow, are these socialist countries and their population still
    not long ago could serve fascism? And it was already then to the light of God to pull out archival materials and not hesitate as often as possible to people in the USSR and people in the socialist countries of the Warsaw Pact to show who and how served Hitler and whose soldiers and whose equipment helped the Nazis kill the soldiers of the Red Army
    at the front . The same as the relay race of shyness from the times of the USSR, there is also the fact that in fact
    forgotten the henchmen of fascism in the Baltic states during the war, and after the war became the so-called forest brothers. Just now they remembered about Hitler's henchmen-Bandera in Ukraine, as
    the cock pecked. And then in Soviet times, these animals from the Balts and from the Ukrainians were embarrassed to even remember. Well, of course, how could there be such and so many among Soviet people who served
    To Hitler, who killed Jews during the war, who participated in punitive actions against Soviet partisans, who after the war killed people in the villages of the Baltic States and in Ukraine. Stalin did not hesitate, everyone who was caught was either put up against the wall or sent to camps in Siberia. And Khrushchev them all from the camps
    released and closed their mouths so that neither newspapers, nor movies, nor television would remind about it. From these reptiles, then the national elites grew up, which destroyed both the USSR and the entire social services. camp of the Warsaw Pact. And now their descendants are working to destroy Russia already. So that
    all this tribe, from the time of the Second World War to the present day, must be dragged out to the public and exposed
    every single day . Works for Putin and for the Duma and for the media, for writers and directors are not an open end ...
  26. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 July 2020 22: 33 New
    0
    The Nazis' accomplices are outraged ...
  27. agoran
    agoran 27 July 2020 23: 00 New
    0
    Hmm, I have a mind.

    Until the last day of the fall of Hitler Germany, the Czech Republic riveted weapons.
    And whether to demand reparations from this country.
    1. bulava
      bulava 28 July 2020 13: 05 New
      0
      We have already learned how to make trams and beer ourselves. And what else is there to take from them?
  28. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 27 July 2020 23: 50 New
    -3
    And what, right now Vlasov was deleted and soiled?
    This is in the order of things. Look, by the 39th a bunch of pictures with Stalin had considerably reduced ...

    Nothing personal. Just politics.

    With such an onslaught would be the internal affairs of Rosssey to discuss.
  29. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 July 2020 08: 24 New
    0
    The Czech press reacts negatively to the data on the disappearance of the name of Vlasov from the memorial near Moscow
    But them, what a dog business? angry
  30. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 28 July 2020 12: 55 New
    0
    Crush the ROUGH!
  31. bulava
    bulava 28 July 2020 13: 04 New
    0
    Spit on them from the bell tower of Prague Castle
  32. bar
    bar 28 July 2020 13: 42 New
    0
    We also "reacted negatively" to the demolition of the monument to Konev. And why, did it help us?
  33. Radius
    Radius 28 July 2020 18: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: iouris
    These are not some "Czechs", this is the EU. Themselves "Czechs" in the mass can be very pleasant and adequate people.

    The Germans also came to my village "very pleasant and adequate": they gave chocolates, sweets ... True, a few people were shot, but these are "trifles". And you know, some even believed them!
  34. green5722
    green5722 29 July 2020 02: 35 New
    0
    MY FATHER REMAINED ALIVE FROM VLASOV'S ARMY ... VLASOV HAS HANDED OFF OFFICERS ... RUSSIAN .... DO NOT DISCUSS WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ... VLASOV JUST .... CUT ...
  35. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 July 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    There are no limits to the meanness and meanness of the Czechs and other Romanians: recognizing Vlasov, they actually justify their venality, because it was they who enthusiastically armed the Nazis who armed the whole war and mind you
    voluntarily, and those Romanians in general, almost until the end of the war, were Hitler's loyal lackeys and together received a "sniff" in Stalingrad. And this rabble is teaching us history!
  36. 1536
    1536 29 July 2020 10: 19 New
    0
    Quote: figvam
    It's just that we have good relations with the Czech Republic, the Americans break them over the knee so that we become enemies.

    If so, then what kind of "good relations" can we talk about if the Americans use "broken" Czechs in their dirty economic games? The Czech Republic, not having its own foreign policy, by similar antics against Russia, strives to prove that it has it. Of course, it would be much more interesting in Russia to learn about the friendly attitude of the Czechs towards Russia and the Russian people. About some events in the field of economics, finance, science, culture, education, which would confirm this. Alas, there is no such information, or it is absent as a result of its absence. Therefore, it must be stated that the Czech Republic is a hostile country that does not and will not accept Russia and its people as they really are. Why should Czechs expect the opposite attitude from us?