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Clothes of the ancient Jews: everything according to religious canons

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A still from the Polish film "Pharaoh". The prince and his favorite Thutmose met the Jewess Sarah in the desert. "A Jewess will not be anyone's mistress!" She added with pride. "Even the mistress of a scribe with a gentleman who wears a fan over the nomarch of Memphis?" Thutmose asked mockingly. " As you can see, she is dressed very simply. However, it is possible that in hot Egypt, Jewish girls dressed that way ...


And it was given to her to be clothed in fine linen, clean and bright ...
Revelations of John the Divine 19: 8


Culture of clothes. One of the readers of "VO" reminded that there were no articles about clothes for a long time ... We continue our "cover" cycle. But note that usually in books on stories costume immediately after the clothes of ancient Greece is the clothing of Rome. But in this way the costumes of many ancient peoples are excluded from the "history of fashion", whose outfits, perhaps, did not have such an impact on world civilization, but were also somewhat significant, interesting in their own way and had a certain meaning. Let's open, for example, the Bible. There are several references to fine linen clothes and, judging by the context, they were of very high quality, delicate, expensive and prestigious. But where did this garment spread throughout the ancient world? And we can find a lot of similar questions in the history of the costume. Therefore, we will not neglect the fashion of not only the great Rome, but also talk about how the peoples around it dressed. Last time the story was about Celts and Germans. Today we will talk about what clothes the ancient Jews wore.

First of all, let's look at the sources of our information. How do we know what and how they dressed? We have a source of information, and it is quite reliable. These are Egyptian frescoes, in which the Semites are depicted in long, beautiful robes, often of striped fabric, similar to the Egyptian Kalasiris. Men have simple sandals on their feet. Women have something like closed boots. Men wear beards and hair of medium length, women have long hair with ribbons.


A fresco from the tomb of Khnumhotep II, dating back to the XNUMXth century. BC. and depicting the Semites making an offering to the nomarch

Images of ancient Jews on frescoes from Egyptian tombs help us find out about this. So, the Semites appear on them in beautiful long robes, similar to the Egyptian Kalasiris, but sewn from striped fabric with red and blue patterns on a white background.

Men in the frescoes are shod in sandals, but women are shown in closed shoes, similar to boots. Men have medium-length hair and beards, while women have long hair intertwined with ribbons of light fabric. A detailed description of the Hebrew clothing of a later era is also given to us by the books of Holy Scripture.

Clothes of the ancient Jews: everything according to religious canons

A fragment of this fresco

Initially, Jewish clothing was similar to ancient Egyptian, but then Assyrian borrowings appeared in it. The first garment sewn, a short kettonet tunic, was worn as an undergarment. A long hoarse cloak served as the outer garment. Women's tunics were traditionally longer and wider than men's. The men's trousers were sewn according to the Persian fashion, and they were worn by Jews for a long time, completely without falling under the influence of both Greek and Roman fashion of that time.

Various fabrics came to ancient Judea from everywhere: it was the finest Egyptian fine linen, and embroidered Babylonian fabrics, and Phoenicians, dyed in variegated, mostly purple, not approved by the religious Jewish tradition.


But at that time Jewish women could not wear such revealing clothes. But we have before us the priestess of the temple of the goddess Ashtoret, a person who is very greedy for love, so there is no need to be surprised at the costume of her servant! And the frescoes, again, the presence of such explicit clothes among Egyptians confirm

The common people of the lower class wore coarse sheep's wool clothing. Known outer and lower clothing, winter, summer and festive, also distinguished by name. For example, festive clothing was called a caliphoth.

Clothing in antiquity and, let's say, until the beginning of the twentieth century, was very expensive and was even inherited. The Bible often contains descriptions of clothing presented in the form of rich gifts or taken as trophies after battles. Even according to the strict Jewish law, obliging to honor the Sabbath and not do any work on Saturday, as an exception, in the event of a fire, it was allowed to save the clothes specified in a special list from a burning house.


"Christ drives the merchants out of the temple." The work of Gustave Dore, the greatest illustrator of all time. He was inimitable in the transmission of chiaroscuro, but it is impossible to use his work, including the Illustrated Bible as an illustrative source on the history of costume.

Jewish women were engaged in weaving, making them from linen and wool. Moreover, there was an interesting prohibition (shaatnez) on mixing linen and woolen threads. In ancient times, Jews were not allowed to wear such clothes.

To make the wool especially white, sheep were even kept in houses. Warm fabrics were made of camel wool, although they were rougher, and outer coats were also sewn from it. The cheapest goat wool was used to dress the poor. The Jews became acquainted with cotton fabrics from India only later, in the XNUMXrd-XNUMXth centuries. ad.


“Carrying the Cross to Calvary. Gustave Dore here, it seems, did everything possible so that it was impossible to accurately determine neither the place, nor the time of the action, nor the nationality of the characters ...

According to religious concepts, clothes were supposed to look modest. It was supposed to refrain from luxury, and the variegated oriental fabrics were unanimously condemned by the rabbis. Clothing traditions have survived even during religious persecution. It was forbidden to change the costume to hide your belonging to the Jewish people. This ban had exceptions, but they were clearly regulated by law.


The Treatment of the Possessed by Gustave Dore. Painting of a master, isn't it?

Actually, in the clothes of the ancient Jews, if not all, then very much was strictly regulated, and not just somehow, but by references to a divine institution: “And the Lord said to Moses, saying: declare to the children of Israel and tell them to make themselves brushes on the edges of their garments for their generations, and in the tassels that were at the edges they inserted threads of blue wool. And they will be in your tassels so that you, looking at them, remember the commandments of the Lord and fulfill them ”(Numbers 15: 37-39). So even tassels on their clothes, and those were not just like that, but from God!


Death of Eliazer, drawing for the Bible by Gustave Dore 1866 Impressive, but completely unhistorical!

The lowest clothing usually served as a loincloth or skirt, after which a simple cut tunic with a hole for the head was worn. Later, a tunic and trousers were worn as underwear. The tunic was pulled together with a belt of cloth folded several times, and in its folds, in this way, something like a purse was obtained, where small coins were kept. The long bottom tunic was worn by women, as well as wealthy and learned Jews.


The later painting depicting the ancient Jews will give us little. Ilya Repin's painting "The Resurrection of Jairus's Daughter". 1871 Russian Museum

Going out into the streets, noble Jews wore a halluk - a knee-length robe, usually with a striped or checkered pattern and trimmed at the seams. Halluk lavan made of white cloth was the garment of the priests. Married women were forbidden to show themselves in society with their heads uncovered and, in general, they should have wrapped themselves in a cape from head to toe over their clothes.

A. Kuprin in his "Shulamith" (1908) very accurately described the attire of a noble Jew, preparing to appear before the king:

“The slaves put on her a short white tunic of the finest Egyptian linen and a chiton of precious Sargon fine linen, such a brilliant golden color that the clothes seemed to be woven from the sun's rays. They shod her feet in red sandals made of the skin of a young goat, they drained her dark-fiery curls, and twisted them with threads of large black pearls, and adorned her hands with clinking wrists ... leaving bare arms to the shoulders and legs to half of the calves. Through the transparent matter, her skin glowed rosy and all the clean lines and elevations of her slender body were visible, which until now, despite the queen's thirty years old, had not lost its flexibility, beauty and freshness. Her hair, dyed blue, was flowing down her shoulders and back, and the ends were tied with countless scented balls. The face was heavily rouged and whitened, and the thinly outlined eyes seemed huge and burned in the dark like a strong beast of the cat breed. Golden sacred ureus descended from her neck down, dividing her half-naked breasts.

Nice, isn't it? Although it is clear that all this luxury was inaccessible to ordinary Jewish women.


Here the clothes of the stage participants are written out just fine. And it is not surprising, because the author of the picture specially went to Palestine for nature and wrote a lot of sketches there. "Christ and the Sinner" Vasily Polenov, 1888 Russian Museum

As for the description of the clothes of the Jewish high priests, it was very well given in the Brockhaus and Efron encyclopedia back in 1891:

“Unlike other priests, he was given a special robe, the main parts of which were: 1) the upper robe, knitted of purple-blue wool, trimmed from below with multi-colored apples and golden bells; 2) ephod - a short outer garment with gold fasteners on the shoulders, each of which had an onyx stone with the names of 12 Israeli tribes carved; 3) bib; attached with blue laces and gold rings with twelfth precious stones, on which the names of 12 kopen were also carved (the so-called Urim and Shimim); 4) kidar (tsanif) - a headdress, on the front of which there was a gold plaque with the inscription: "The Holy Place of the Lord." As the highest representative of the law, the high priest had to serve as a model of legalistic righteousness, could marry only a maiden, and carefully avoided all defilement. The ordination to the rank of high priest was accomplished through the pouring of myrrh on the head. In the history of the Jewish people, the high priests played an important role and in times of trouble were the main saviors of the nation and the faith. "



"The Head of an Old Jew." Vasily Polenov. Sketch for the painting "Christ and the Sinner"

Of the headdresses, the kheve cord is known, with which the head is tied, scarves that were wrapped like a turban, the groom's wedding headdress in the form of a diadem - peer, and the traditional small kipa hat, which has survived not only centuries, but millennia, as well as hats of various shapes, in different times, borrowed ... from neighboring peoples. A covered head was considered a sign of respect, the manifestations of which were especially important to observe in the temple and during mourning.

Women braided and curled long hair, used ivory combs, and covered their hairstyles with nets of gold threads, which was especially characteristic of the era of the Roman Empire. As already noted, when going out on people, their heads were covered with capes, hoods or veiled bedspreads, which were secured with bandages, braided cords or even metal hoops.


"The head of a young man in a blue veil." Vasily Polenov. "Christ and the sinner"

The color of the clothes was important, since "color speech" was in ancient times (and now, however, too) was typical for all peoples of the world. Among the Jews in ancient times, colors such as purple, blue, orange and white were especially revered. Purple was considered the color of vitality. Blue was considered the color of the sky and spiritual purity. Orange was the color of fire, and white is the color of the clothes of the Jewish high priests.

R. S. By the way, a lot of interesting information about the clothes of the ancient Jews can be gleaned from the same Bible, "Old Testament", "Book of Exodus", 1:43, which provides a lot of interesting details!
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  1. barin
    barin 1 August 2020 05: 36 New
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    Thank you Vyacheslav. In fact, the clothes are the most common, with their own names.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 August 2020 07: 33 New
      11
      Even according to the strict Jewish law, obliging to honor the Sabbath and not do any work on Saturday, as an exception, in the event of a fire, it was allowed to save the clothes specified in a special list from a burning house.

      Bureaucracy!!!
      Clothes really cost a lot, both in the ancient world and today.
      In Domostroy you come across the phrase that a fur coat (sheepskin coat) was built !!! They did not sew, but built. That is, its cost was equal to the mansion (hut). In the middle class and peasant environment, outerwear was inherited. In the noble and boyars - ceremonial camisoles, wigs and shower warmers, also figured in wills.
      However, even today - a fur coat, a little cheaper than the cars of the domestic auto industry !!!
      Vyacheslav Olegovich - respect and respect !!!
      Best regards and Good day to everyone, Vlad!
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 1 August 2020 13: 01 New
        +7
        And in Lermontov's poem "Song about Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich, a young oprichnik and daring merchant Kalashnikov" there is a phrase: "Ay, guys, sing - just build a gusli."
        Following your logic, the cost of building a gusli was equal to a mansion.
        In Old Russian, the verb "to build" was used in the meaning of erect, manufacture, adjust.
      2. BAI
        BAI 1 August 2020 18: 24 New
        +5
        and today - a fur coat, a little cheaper than cars of the domestic car industry !!!

        1985 year. Mink fur coat - 8500, sable fur coat - 5600 (rub). Everything is feminine, everything is comparable to different models of Zhiguli. Five then cost 8700, if I am not mistaken.
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 20: 57 New
        +5
        laughing A decent "bucket", of domestic production, now costs around 800 tyrs, and this is just the beginning! What kind of fur coats are there?!?!?! For this money I'll strangle a dozen desdemones! And a couple more, as a bonus for a wholesale customer! laughing
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 August 2020 02: 57 New
          +1
          do not surprise) a good fur coat is BLACKGLAMA and modern desdemonies know this well) and there the price starts from 500 and off we go. the rest is crafts on the topic)
    2. mr.Man
      mr.Man 2 August 2020 15: 24 New
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      winkedThe further those times from our times the dogmas changed.
      Frescoes BC and pictures of the Christian time were painted under the censorship and type of tolerance of those times when they were depicted ... belay
      Painted on the frescoes are the "elite" like our "stars from the zombie box", when the rest of the people walked well in loincloths laughing ).
      ZY
      Since there was a "problem" with skins in those regions, weaving appeared and made progress in clothing tongue
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 1 August 2020 06: 42 New
    +2
    did not their shoulders burn? or familiar?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 08: 56 New
      +5
      According to religion, it is forbidden to bare them
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 1 August 2020 06: 46 New
    +6
    It seems that the person did not write anything unusual, but purely for myself it is interesting to read! hi
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 August 2020 06: 47 New
    +7
    And write about clothes, everyday life of the ancient Slavs ...
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 2 August 2020 19: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      And write about clothes, everyday life of the ancient Slavs ...

      Are you laughing? Shpakovsky didn't have them!
    2. Polymer
      Polymer 2 August 2020 20: 14 New
      +1
      Are you proposing to Shpakovsky? laughing For me, it’s better not to touch on this topic. In one of the previous articles on this topic, he missed a lot, about the clothing of the Paleolithic hunters. He didn't write anything about Sungir.
      In general, it is more difficult with the ancient Slavs. They are known to have cremated their deceased. They burned them in clothes and hats, so archaeologists have temple rings, even the reliable name of which has not come down to us, belt buckles, very rarely other jewelry and iron knives. Such crumbs ...
  5. Klingon
    Klingon 1 August 2020 07: 32 New
    13
    I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW? Well, I understand when it tells about some kind of swords and armor, but what does the clothes of the Jews have to do with it? maybe this is more suitable for a "fashion sentence"?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 1 August 2020 07: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Klingon
      but what does the clothes of the Jews have to do with it?

      Probably despite the fact that in such clothes they will never attack us - they freeze, die, alive. So from this side, a military attack on us should not be expected.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 1 August 2020 08: 08 New
      10
      Is it better than Samsonov and his endless tales of the millennial confrontation between the Angloreptyloids and the great Tartary?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 1 August 2020 08: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Deniska999
        Is it better than Samsonov and his endless tales of the millennial confrontation between the Angloreptyloids and the great Tartary?

        Believe it or not, it was precisely because of this confrontation that the Flood occurred, which swallowed the past civilization into the depths of the sea ... Not everyone was washed overboard by a wave of history, the survivors from both sides continue the confrontation.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 08: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: Klingon
      I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW? Well, I understand when it tells about some kind of swords and armor, but what does the clothes of the Jews have to do with it? maybe this is more suitable for a "fashion sentence"?

      Well, of course - you need to understand what the Jews who basely bombed Syria dressed in in Antiquity fellow
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 1 August 2020 09: 16 New
        +4
        And what kind of complexes have formed due to this.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 1 August 2020 09: 38 New
          +7
          And what kind of complexes have formed due to this.
          "Hel Avir" was formed for them.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 1 August 2020 09: 40 New
            +4
            This is already due to communication with the Chaldeans.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 1 August 2020 09: 42 New
              10
              "Over the Arab peace hut,
              The jid is proudly flying "(C)
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 09: 51 New
                +7
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                "Over the Arab peace hut,
                The jid is proudly flying "(C)

                "The best view of this city, if you sit in a bomber" (c)
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 1 August 2020 09: 57 New
                  +7
                  "The best view of this city is from a bomber."
                  Amikam Norkin "A Brief Guide to Syria" ??? wassat
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 August 2020 10: 02 New
                    0
                    Father on the bank's board
                    And I'm sitting in the tank tower
                    And I see through the periscope
                    How Damascus blazes with a bright flame
                    Let's get to the Black Sea
                    And the nations will rejoice
                    When over the blue sky
                    The Six Pointed Star Rises fellow
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 06 New
                      10
                      "The Israeli military,
                      Known to the whole world,
                      Like a mother, I say, and like a woman,
                      I demand them to answer! "(C)
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 10: 13 New
                        +4
                        Israeli military
                        Bombs the Arab redneck (c)
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 1 August 2020 10: 38 New
                        +5
                        “I’m not eternal,
                        Well I can die from that herring! " (from).
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 43 New
                        +7
                        "From every hippo cutlet,
                        I will recover immediately by two kilograms "(C)
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 1 August 2020 12: 28 New
                        +5
                        "- Why did you say" Funtik "?
                        Not a kilogram, not a ton, but a pound? " (from).
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 21: 01 New
                        +1
                        "Good people! Apply for a house for homeless pigs!" (FROM)
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 1 August 2020 21: 32 New
                        +2
                        “We are poor sheep,
                        Nobody grazes us ”(c).
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 22: 23 New
                        +1
                        "Blessed are the poor - in spirit!
                        For theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven. " (FROM)
                      8. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 1 August 2020 22: 25 New
                        +2
                        This is an ellipse: from clothes through anecdotes and to Holy Scripture.
                      9. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 22: 37 New
                        +3
                        I think all human culture is a sinusoid. "From the great to the ridiculous - one step" (C)
                      10. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 1 August 2020 22: 40 New
                        +2
                        Rather assorted.
                      11. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 22: 48 New
                        +2
                        Uh-huh. Assorted "Gold in blood"
                      12. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 1 August 2020 22: 52 New
                        +3
                        “Everything is mine,” said gold;
                        "Everything is mine," said the damask "(c).
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 11 New
    +5
    Colleague Krasnodar, who is this outspoken conqueror in your country?
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 1 August 2020 11: 36 New
      15
      "The clouds are crooked over Sinai.
      The edge of a severe silence embraced.
      Forty versts from Tel Aviv
      The sentinel homelands are standing.

      But the Arabs cannot sleep this night!
      Sheikh-instructor Petty Officer Ivan
      Gave the order to the Palestinian detachment
      Go sacred Jordan.

      But the Mossad reported exactly
      And went, commanded by the commander,
      On native land, Middle East
      Sinai armored battalion.

      We went to attack Ginzburga and Katza,
      The armor came clanking.
      And the Arafats flew to the ground,
      The Jews are like the light of a curse.

      They were crushed, the song is the guarantee,
      Unbreakable by its codlo
      Three dentists, three funny friends -
      Solomon, Abram and Moses. "(C)
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 1 August 2020 12: 02 New
      +3
      My poet, you +: it turned out funny, but some people may not like it
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 1 August 2020 16: 04 New
      +1
      My Beautiful Stranger! This parody is not a figment of my sick imagination.
      https://lyricsworld.ru/Mirmekiy/Nad-Sinaem-tuchi-hodyat-krivo-419948.html
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 1 August 2020 12: 19 New
    +8
    “We covered the yarmulkes with hats,
    And they fastened the Talmud to their saddles ”(p).
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 1 August 2020 21: 03 New
    +5
    Dedicated to the old St. Petersburg Cossack Rosenbaum?
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 August 2020 13: 08 New
    -1
    Quote: Astra wild
    Colleague Krasnodar, who is this outspoken conqueror in your country?

    Here, in the Kuban? We, like bae, colonists ...)).
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 2 August 2020 17: 24 New
    +1
    "Israel's vile colonial policy .." laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 August 2020 17: 36 New
    +2
    Expelling hundreds of thousands of peaceful Arab refugees from their homes ... Win el Husseini, they asked, peering into the ravines over the desert ... "Is it the Fuehrer?" They echoed them millions of azulants from Selesia, gloomily examining the ruins of the Third Reich ... crying
  • BAI
    BAI 1 August 2020 18: 43 New
    0
    Let's get to the Black Sea

    Do not get lost in the desert, following the example of Moses?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 19: 22 New
      +6
      laughing No, one German woman said to whom - Kom zu Adygea! And they answered her:
      - Let's go at once!
      And Ekaterinodar was founded in the Kuban! fellow
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 1 August 2020 10: 02 New
    12
    “- Anti-Semite!
    - Zionist!
    - Judophobe, horse thief! " (from).
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 29 New
      +5
      "I decided and it means to someone to be beaten,
      But we must find out who the "Semites" are,
      What if these are very decent people?
      What if something will happen to me because of them? "(C)
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 August 2020 13: 30 New
    +8
    I already seemed to be laying it out, but now it's kind of a topic. smile
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 August 2020 09: 44 New
    +6
    Quote: Korsar4
    And what kind of complexes have formed due to this.

    Anti-aircraft missile soldier
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 1 August 2020 09: 46 New
    +6
    I remember an episode from the movie "Jesus Christ Superstar", with "mirages" going into a turn.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 10: 03 New
      +4
      Fugue Masters, combat training, EMNIP
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 09 New
        +4
        Probably a very long time ago request
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 10: 15 New
          +6
          The film would not have been released in this format today.
          Judas was black
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 22 New
            +4
            Aha, the apotheosis of schizorasism.
          2. zenion
            zenion 1 August 2020 17: 34 New
            +3
            So it seems. His dad worked in a shoe polish factory and did not wash the instrument well. That is why it turned out to be a little darker, like a neighbor, even a curly head.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 24 New
        +5
        By the way, what tanks were involved in the filming?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 10: 42 New
          +6
          I don't remember the tanks, but by the time the film was released there should have been Centurions or M-60
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 13: 41 New
          +6
          Hello Anton!
          Albert is right - British "Centurions"

          The Israelis had modifications from Mk 1 (FV 4007) to Mk 13, a good car, only very heavy (though there are probably swamps in those parts). smile
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 14 New
            +4
            The Israelis praise him - good protection for the crew (at that time), a cannon, etc.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 1 August 2020 12: 48 New
    -6
    Quote: Klingon
    I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW? Well, I understand when it tells about some kind of swords and armor, but what does the clothes of the Jews have to do with it? maybe this is more suitable for a "fashion sentence"?

    here shpakovtsy hawala everything about bras and panties from the Romans and thank you for that constantly.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 13: 11 New
      +6
      It is necessary to order from Mr. Samsonov an article about BDSM practices in Tartary.
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 1 August 2020 17: 34 New
      +5
      Probably, the people are more interested in the work of Vyacheslav Olegovich, and not in the fantasy of the Fomenkovites as presented by Samsonov
  • Proxima
    Proxima 1 August 2020 15: 37 New
    +6
    Quote: Klingon
    I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW?
    ... Because, whether you like it or not, the Military Review website has a History section. winked
  • zenion
    zenion 1 August 2020 17: 21 New
    +2
    The author was embarrassed to write what the men had under their clothes. But in Russia during the civil war it was called - bleed.
  • BAI
    BAI 1 August 2020 18: 27 New
    +3
    I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW?

    Where Mr. Shpakovsky does not throw mud at the USSR, he gets very interesting articles. Look at the responses - about the clothes of the ancient Jews, and not compare with Samsonov's article about the war with Poland.
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  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 2 August 2020 19: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Klingon
    I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW? Well, I understand when it tells about some kind of swords and armor, but what does the clothes of the Jews have to do with it? maybe this is more suitable for a "fashion sentence"?

    Never mind, be patient, soon we will discuss the cookbook of ancient Jews from Shpakovsky here. What you can't write for the sake of tugriks.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 1 August 2020 07: 36 New
    +1
    "Pharaoh" episode of the eclipse of the sun. The clothes of the priests and for understanding who governs the country.



    Even in those ancient times, the rallies were not spontaneous, someone organized and paid for them.

    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 1 August 2020 18: 19 New
      +3
      "to understand who runs the country" At that time
      worshipers, anyone, were the most educated people. Naturally they were very authoritative.
      Probably, Tutankhamun or Ramses, by will or not by will, but had to take into account the opinion of the priest
    2. BAI
      BAI 1 August 2020 18: 48 New
      +3
      "Pharaoh" episode of the eclipse of the sun.

      Something very much like Fantomas. It looks like there is a certain mutual influence.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 1 August 2020 08: 32 New
    +3
    Although I am further from fashion and clothing history, I still read it with interest.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Good weekend!
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 1 August 2020 08: 42 New
    +4
    “I am a flower of Holland, a young tulip ...
    I am clothed in silk, fine linen, and the clothes of a magician.
    On my petals and the northern saga,
    And tangled heraldic weeds "(c).
  • ee2100
    ee2100 1 August 2020 10: 10 New
    +6
    Good afternoon. Of all the documents claimed, only Egyptian frescoes can be considered as such. And the reference to religious books is at the level of the historical and erotic film "Pharaoh". The documents are completely identical. Pictures of the 20th and early XNUMXth centuries, no more than the ideas of the authors about the clothes of the XNUMXth century, based on the modern clothes of the aborigines.
    The topic of red pants and their social significance has not been disclosed.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 10: 16 New
      +8
      The theme of the color of pants is revealed in the work of director Danelia
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 1 August 2020 10: 26 New
        +7
        Not only. "To award cadet Alexei Trofimov with red revolutionary trousers!" (from).
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 2 August 2020 08: 56 New
          0
          Not only, the film "chief of the chukka". In the Chukchi "here, a galipe from a seal skin"
      2. gsev
        gsev 2 August 2020 02: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The theme of the color of pants is revealed in the work of director Danelia

        There is a point of view that the pants were invented by nomadic equestrian warriors. Most likely, during the time of the pharaohs, most Jews did not wear pants. The remark looks empty, but the historian draws profound conclusions from such subtleties.
    2. Astra wild
      Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 57 New
      +1
      Regarding the "pharaoh" I agree: the filmmakers believed that the plot was more important than the costumes. Although their costumes b.m. correspond to the era
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 1 August 2020 12: 04 New
        +2
        In my deep conviction, in order to write something about the clothes of ancient times (this applies not only to clothes), you must first understand the technology of making fabrics, dyes, etc. Take into account the climate of the respective region and of course its functionality.
    3. zenion
      zenion 1 August 2020 17: 39 New
      0
      Men stopped wearing red pants by Jews from the time when women began to give birth to children. The pants were handed over to them. And then before, mostly men gave birth and immediately ten. And they lived in those days for at least 500 years and much more. One of them broke the record and lived for 960 years. And the Lord saw that it was a lot and limited it to a maximum of 120 years, if you are lucky and will stand.
    4. BAI
      BAI 1 August 2020 18: 50 New
      +1
      Of all the documents claimed, only Egyptian frescoes can be considered as such.

      Yes, considering artists is not a historical texture, but a study of who was better at this texture.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 10: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    "I decided and it means to someone to be beaten,
    But we must find out who the "Semites" are,
    What if these are very decent people?
    What if something will happen to me because of them? "(C)

    A summary of the purpose of the article?
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 1 August 2020 10: 58 New
      +7
      Undoubtedly! Look for such an evil anti-Semite like me !!! "Krasnodar" will not let you lie!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 13: 16 New
        +2
        Yeah, tattoo "Black Hundred Forever" on the chest, Arafatich on the shoulder and wallpaper in the form of the notes of the Ring of the Nibelungen in the kitchen. am
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 14: 15 New
          +7
          Hello Albert! hi
          What do you think about this drawing? I didn’t understand anything. request
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 August 2020 17: 13 New
            11
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Hello Albert! hi
            What do you think about this drawing? I didn’t understand anything. request

            No wonder: the plot of this cartoon, released in 1912, is no longer understood by anyone today.
            The fact is that at the beginning of the last century, the Zionists, although they were still dreamers and dreamers, were very interested in the topic of creating their national hearth. Palestine, in those days, was in the hands of the Ottoman Empire and the Jews could forget about their state.
            But, in 1903, a Jewish social movement of territorialists appeared at the VI Zionist Congress in connection with the issue of resettlement of Jews to the territory of the British protectorate of Uganda (now Kenya) according to a special program proposed by the British government.
            The territorialists, like the Zionists, wanted the creation of a Jewish state with their own territory, but, unlike the Zionists, they did not insist that this state be located in the Land of Israel. They attempted to create a Jewish state in Australia, Canada, Kenya and Libya. When the VII Zionist Congress (1905) adopted a resolution on the inadmissibility of any replacement for Palestine, 28 territorialist delegates withdrew from the Zionist organization. Over the next 20 years, this splinter minority, led by I. Zangwill, developed (without noticeable success) various plans for the resettlement of Jews; some Jewish families moved to Kenya at their own risk (their descendants still live in Kenyan cities).
            With the emergence of the State of Israel in 1948, the territorialist movement lost its meaning and came to naught.
            A cartoon from a Jewish satirical magazine in Yiddish depicts Portugal offering the Jews, as an option for land to create a state, their colony - Angola. Everyone made fun of this proposal.
            1. Astra wild
              Astra wild 1 August 2020 18: 45 New
              +6
              Colleague Privalov, thank you for your informative addition
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 1 August 2020 19: 17 New
                +5
                Quote: Astra wild
                Colleague Privalov, thank you for your informative addition

                You're welcome! hi
            2. Catfish
              Catfish 1 August 2020 19: 50 New
              +3
              What I didn't know for sure was about the territorialist movement. Live for a century - learn two, but rather the opposite. wink
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 18: 03 New
            +6
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Hello Albert! hi
            What do you think about this drawing? I didn’t understand anything. request

            Hi hi - I thought the uncle was presented with his daughter who was out of wedlock))))))
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 August 2020 07: 16 New
          +2
          wallpaper in the form of notes Rings of the Nibelungen in the kitchen.
          What a creative idea! good
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 10: 40 New
    +7
    Quote: ee2100
    Good afternoon. Of all the documents claimed, only Egyptian frescoes can be considered as such. And the reference to religious books is at the level of the historical and erotic film "Pharaoh". The documents are completely identical. Pictures of the 20th and early XNUMXth centuries, no more than the ideas of the authors about the clothes of the XNUMXth century, based on the modern clothes of the aborigines.
    The topic of red pants and their social significance has not been disclosed.

    Kind ... I will add from myself the 3rd century AD, frescoes.


    1. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 11: 13 New
      +1
      This is also a document, but the clothes differ from the author's description.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 10: 43 New
    +3
    In general, with the exception of thallite and tzitzit, the wearing of which was prescribed by the Torah and which in ancient times performed a magical function, Jewish clothing, for example, of the Talmudic era, as before, represented a set of clothing typical for the entire Middle East region of that era.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 1 August 2020 11: 02 New
    +4
    Among the Jews in ancient times, colors such as purple, blue, orange and white were especially revered.

    I wonder where the dyes came from?
    The purple is clear from shellfish. (although very expensive!). Orange, let's say ocher, and the rest?
    Well, how was it bleached? Under the sun?
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 1 August 2020 11: 27 New
      +4
      Ivan! hi
      (although very expensive!).
      I do not think that it is particularly expensive than fine linen.
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 1 August 2020 13: 27 New
        +2
        In my opinion, they are still discussing the composition of fine linen. But the concept of “jewelry work” can be applied to fabric as well.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Gardamir
    And write about clothes, everyday life of the ancient Slavs ..

    Vyacheslav Olegovich should not forget the Slavs, but the Slavs also had different clothes
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 1 August 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      It is interesting what Gardamir understands by the Slavs. The concept that exists today or the ancient tribe of owls?

      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 50 New
        +1
        Boris, I think Gardamir does not know such subtleties.
    2. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 11: 56 New
      +2
      Yes, let him continue the cycle. And especially about the Slavs. Society is looking forward to it. )))))
    3. kalibr
      2 August 2020 15: 49 New
      +1
      Aster! The cycle is in progress. There will be Persians in it ... And God himself ordered the Slavs to give. But not all at once!
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 29 New
    +1
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you for continuing your cycle.
    As an attentive reader, I solemnly promise: not to give stupid comments, but to criticize only for the cause
  • Strannik_GO
    Strannik_GO 1 August 2020 11: 32 New
    -4
    Russians are to blame for everything today
    We once blamed the Jews for troubles,
    It turns out that the Jews are not in charge now?
    Russia has its own become,
    We were never understood
    Mind does not understand Russia,
    And ... the opera was not given a word.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 11: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: ee2100
    This is also a document, but the clothes differ from the author's description.

    It is clear that they differ. The influence of the era, so to speak. For me, the clothes of the High Illuminator are quite close to the actual ... and the most historical.
    Ps. By the way, this is from the Syrian synagogue ...
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    2. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 11: 53 New
      +3
      A wall in a Syrian synagogue. I already found it, thanks not to have seen it before. I will not argue about the clothes of the first illuminator, but good fellows are good both on the right and on the left, in typically Russian shirts
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 13: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: ee2100
        A wall in a Syrian synagogue.

        In a dark alley near the synagogue
        We decided to shoot Fatma
        Rabinovich shot, shot - missed
        And he hit me a little ...
        For three weeks now
        I'm lying in bed
        Rabinovich with Fatima walks without me crying
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 14: 13 New
          +3
          In the original there was "Rabinovich, with Sarah walking without me ..."
          1. Astra wild
            Astra wild 1 August 2020 17: 24 New
            +1
            Dear Cat, what is this epic?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 1 August 2020 19: 51 New
              +3
              Vera, hello love What exactly do you mean?
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 18: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: Sea Cat


            - Last name?
            - Rabinovich
            - Who do you look like?
            - To Aunt Rohele!
            - What aunt Rohele?
            - Uncle Moni's sister!
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 1 August 2020 21: 25 New
          +3
          "Sam, shove her under the rib,
          Look, do not break off the "feather" ... "(C)
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 27 New
            +2
            Oh this stone heart
            Aunt bad
            You better call Hertz
            He will sing her fashionable
            And the most popular
            In our synagogue there is a holiday fellow
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 1 August 2020 21: 45 New
              +2
              "I will perform" Argentine tango "For any motive!" 7/40 "," Kalinka-malinka "," Marlene Dietrich "- included in the program! For works in the style of" grunge "- negotiable price. Phone ******* ****, ask Anton.
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 1 August 2020 22: 38 New
                +3
                "And if you stick a quarter,
                Then he will play and not ”(c).
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 1 August 2020 22: 40 New
                  +2
                  "Don't shoot the pianist, he plays as best he can."
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 41 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Korsar4
                  "And if you stick a quarter,
                  Then he will play and not ”(c).

                  "The women like him for
                  For which no one should know "(c)
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The theme of the color of pants is revealed in the work of director Danelia

    Film "Kin-dza-dza"
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 12: 09 New
      +1
      https://youtu.be/pSzRNFE5NOc
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 13: 19 New
      +2
      That's right)).
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 11: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    Among the Jews in ancient times, colors such as purple, blue, orange and white were especially revered.

    I wonder where the dyes came from?
    The purple is clear from shellfish. (although very expensive!). Orange, let's say ocher, and the rest?
    Well, how was it bleached? Under the sun?

    Where did the blue come from?
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 1 August 2020 13: 58 New
      +4
      Thelet. Of animal origin, most likely from shellfish. Sometimes they tried to foist on plant origin. Something like indigo.

      The secret was lost for a long time. Closer to our time, it was restored.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 1 August 2020 19: 52 New
      +3
      Where do all the blues come from? laughing
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Where do all the blues come from? laughing

        From San Francisco! )) The funny thing is that their preferred habitat is called "Castro" laughing
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 22 New
          +4
          Maybe not from Fidel, but from the word castration? laughing Well, not just physical.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 24 New
            +4
            In my opinion, they organized the "Island of Freedom" in their own way. laughing
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 28 New
              +2
              And hipari in due time not from there also flooded?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 40 New
                +3
                Hippari - I don't know. In my opinion, the rich youth from the suburbs opposing the militant-patriotic frenzy of the Vietnam War with the idea of ​​high, nirvana, love, etc. That did not stop them from stuffing their heads with all kinds of Marxist rubbish and supporting radicals like the Black Panthers inside the country.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 52 New
                  +2
                  "Forest Gump" remember? There, these idiots were well shown.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 02 New
                    +2
                    I still remember - one of my favorite films)). The most interesting thing is that the modern American establishment comes from Woodstock. Strongly expanded their consciousness in the early 70s laughing
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 2 August 2020 09: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Astra wild
      Where did the blue come from?

      In the light of the latest trends, I propose to change it to light blue! bully
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 August 2020 12: 08 New
    +7
    King
    - Causes antires
    And another cut:
    How do you women go there -
    In trousers or without?
    Ambassador
    - Yes!



    This picture shows Jewish clothing; here from No. 1 to No. 18 and from No. 27 to No. 30 - costumes of the Jews of Europe.

    COSTUMES OF JEWS. 1. France (12th century). 2. Germany (13th century). 3. Germany, money changers (12th century). 4. Italy (14th century). 5. Italy, merchant (14th century). 6. France (14th century). 7. Germany (15th century). 8.and 9.Constanza (1417). 10. Holland (15th century). 11. Italy (15th-16th century). 12. Switzerland (XVI century). 13. Germany (Worms, 16th century). 14. Germany (Nuremberg, 17th-18th century). 15. Germany (Frankfurt am Main, 17th-18th century). 16. Holland; rabbi (c. 1700). 17. Germany, a praying Jew (Furth, early 18th century). 18. Germany (Furth, early 18th century). 19.Turkey (18th century). 20. Cochin, India (early 21th century). 19. Algeria (early 22th century). 20. Tunisia (early 23th century). 20. Tunisian Jewess in the street (early 24th century). 20. Greece, Thessaloniki (early 25th century). 1850. Constantinople (c. 26.). 20. Jerusalem (early 27th century). 18. Poland (19-28 century). 19. Russia (early 29th century). 20. Lithuania (early 30th century). 1850. Russia, Karaites (c. XNUMX.).

    There is quite a lot of research on the clothes of the Jews. For the Russian-speaking reader, the lengthy article by Elena Nosenko (Doctor of Historical Sciences, Leading Researcher of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Author of numerous publications, including monographs, devoted to Jewish culture and Jewish identity) may be of interest
    http://berkovich-zametki.com/Nomer18/Nosenko1.htm
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 August 2020 14: 09 New
      +5

      King
      - Causes antires
      And another cut:
      How do you women go there -
      In trousers or without?
      Ambassador
      - Yes!


      Hmmm ... pantaloons ... laughing
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 1 August 2020 14: 20 New
        +6
        "And a big tukhes is a big nakhes!" (from).
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 14: 25 New
          +6
          "The farther I climbed, the better the fuck it!" laughing

          The Russian ended up at a Jewish wedding. He was given the floor for congratulations. Wanting to be his own on the board, he inserted a "word" into his toast: - And I also wish the young people a big tukhes!

          Those present were shocked, as the guest confused nahes (happiness) with tuhesom (ass). And only the wise old Jew was not at a loss:

          - You know - I understand the young man. Big tuhes is also nahes!
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 1 August 2020 14: 48 New
            +7
            Quote: Sea Cat
            since the guest confused

            You just do not know yet how many people confuse sinusitis with hemorrhoids. hi
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 1 August 2020 15: 00 New
              +3
              Well, Alexander, this already smells like a legendary ensign with his famous right angle and boiling point. laughing
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            "The farther I climbed, the better the fuck it!" laughing

            The Russian ended up at a Jewish wedding. He was given the floor for congratulations. Wanting to be his own on the board, he inserted a "word" into his toast: - And I also wish the young people a big tukhes!

            Those present were shocked, as the guest confused nahes (happiness) with tuhesom (ass). And only the wise old Jew was not at a loss:

            - You know - I understand the young man. Big tuhes is also nahes!

            Nahes is a property, property)).
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: Korsar4
          "And a big tukhes is a big nakhes!" (from).

          But little tukhes big tsimes fellow
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 1 August 2020 20: 39 New
            +3
            “- Well, each province has its own scale” (c).
    2. BAI
      BAI 1 August 2020 19: 04 New
      +3
      This picture shows Jewish clothing

      Where's the classic black felt hat? When did she appear?
      And hats - shtrymly? From sable and marten. Where are they (sable and marten) from in Israel (or Egypt)?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 1 August 2020 19: 33 New
        +6
        This is already Europe. Late 17,18, 19-XNUMX century. Fur is not a problem. Furriers are everywhere. Hats of different styles, wider-brimmed, high and lower, depending on the confessional affiliation. Caftans are of different lengths, usually black, but there are also light and striped, again, depending on the affiliation. There are also quite modern black pantsuits.
  • VIP
    VIP 1 August 2020 12: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Astra wild
    My poet, you +: it turned out funny, but some people may not like it

    Quote: Astra wild
    My poet, you +: it turned out funny, but some people may not like it

    Probably the "Arafats"?
  • Crabong
    Crabong 1 August 2020 12: 13 New
    +1
    Why are individual paragraphs repeated in the text?
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 12: 25 New
      +3
      Someone wrote and did not bother to read, but someone had to check before posting and also did not bother to read
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 12: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The film would not have been released in this format today.
    Judas was black

    And we will not show blacks
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 12: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: Korsar4
    “We covered the yarmulkes with hats,
    And they fastened the Talmud to their saddles ”(p).

    These?
    wassat
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 12: 46 New
      +3
      Battle Plains !!! am
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 13: 07 New
    +1
    "tell them to make tassels for themselves on the edges of clothes, and insert threads of blue wool into the brushes that are on the edges" dear colleagues of Krasnodar, Shahno, do your religious radicals still wear brushes on their clothes? And another question: how developed is radicalism in your country?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 13: 22 New
      +4
      Wear it. All For Cala fellow
  • Freeman
    Freeman 1 August 2020 13: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Klingon
    I'm wondering what this article has to do with this site called MILITARY REVIEW? Well, I understand when it tells about some kind of swords and armor, but what does the clothes of the Jews have to do with it? maybe this is more suitable for a "fashion sentence"?

    As you can see, even such an "innocent question" as the clothing of the ancient Jews, site visitors still turned towards weapons.
    And so, based on the above "posts" (about the movie "Jesus Christ Superstar"), answer us the following questions -
    1. What kind of tanks are shown in the film?
    2. What kind of planes are shown in the film?

    1.

    2.

    hi
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 1 August 2020 14: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Freeman
      1. What kind of tanks are shown in the film?

      * Centurion Mk8 *?
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 13: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Astra wild
    "tell them to make tassels for themselves on the edges of clothes, and insert threads of blue wool into the brushes that are on the edges" dear colleagues of Krasnodar, Shahno, do your religious radicals still wear brushes on their clothes? And another question: how developed is radicalism in your country?

    If you mean it ...

    Yes, they do, and not radicals either. A tribute to tradition.
    In general, "our radicals" still have to grow and grow before militant Islam ..
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 1 August 2020 14: 29 New
      +2
      Whether the question is radical is a difficult question or a simple one! It all depends on the position taken
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 August 2020 13: 53 New
    +3
    Descriptions of clothing are often found in the Bible ...

    Vyacheslav, hello! hi
    And what about the description of Judas' clothes given by Bulgakov in his "Master"?

    "... a young man with a neatly trimmed beard in a clean white kefi falling over his shoulders, in a new festive blue talliff with tassels at the bottom and in brand new creaking sandals. A hunchbacked handsome man dressed up for a great holiday ..."


    Thanks for the article! I already wrote about "Pharaoh" and I don't want to repeat myself. smile
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 1 August 2020 14: 22 New
      +5
      Without Barbara Brylska, an article is not an article.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 1 August 2020 14: 25 New
        +3
        She's like the cherry on the cake! In the sense of the article.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 19: 54 New
          +2
          Cherry on the navel and slap on the stomach, the main thing is to be able to catch it in time in flight. laughing Damn, I don't remember from which movie this joke is.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 1 August 2020 20: 21 New
            +2
            Good evening! Yes, there is such a moment in the movie * Hotheads *, with Charlie Sheen! laughing
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 25 New
              +2
              Hello Seryozha! hi
              And I really only remember one film - "Platoon". soldier
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 1 August 2020 20: 39 New
                +3
                Quote: Sea Cat
                I remember - "Platoon"

                Hi Konstantin! Well, he has almost the whole family from the cinema world. Batyanya-Martin Sheen, brother-Emilio Estevets. Sister, brother is still there, but they are on the other side. Rasp ..., oh, of course, you are sloven in life. How Well, to be honest, it's not a star, so .. As they say, women like it. bully
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 50 New
                  +3
                  I remember his heroic dad very well. I watch Coppola's "Apocalypse" regularly, a useful film for those who want to see how the war turns people's brains.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 1 August 2020 20: 52 New
                    +3
                    Wo, wo! Captain Willard! soldier
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 1 August 2020 20: 56 New
                      +2
                      Or in another way:
                      * -on the front, he really did not fight, but the schnifer was famous. * laughing
                      *Meeting point....*
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 58 New
                      +3
                      Exactly, captain.

                      And one more line from the Air Cavalry: "Trumpet, sonny."
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 15 New
                        +2
                        I love the smell of napalm in the morning (с)
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 1 August 2020 21: 30 New
                        +1
                        Such a toy XENUS II howled. There they almost certainly ripped off this pearl: "I love the smell of TNT in the morning!" - the main character smiled, blowing up something once again. bully

                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 31 New
                        +2
                        The catch phrase of the winged cavalryman! ))
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 1 August 2020 21: 39 New
                        +4
                        Ours are cooler!
                        * Come on, checkers up
                        We were all born in battles.
                        Shrapnel baptized us on campaigns,
                        Swaddled overcoat
                        Yes, a crazy blizzard.
                        She sang lullabies for us. *
                        *Red Square*. soldier
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 22: 37 New
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                        Well then already
                        I was born at night under the fence
                        Thieves baptized me as a thief
                        Mother named Roman
                        Jana
                        From now on I hit my pockets fellow
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 1 August 2020 22: 43 New
                        +2
                        Immortal Gop-with-close.
                        Like, Gapak and Gopstop are not the same shnyaga. laughing
                    3. Catfish
                      Catfish 1 August 2020 22: 47 New
                      +2
                      And this is not "I, T. Shapovalov." with Matveyev in the title role?
                    4. Phil77
                      Phil77 2 August 2020 06: 17 New
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                      Good morning Konstantin! Exactly! I confused two films! The song, of course, from * Shapovalov *, and * Red Square * with Lyubshin, Shalevich, Malyavina and Nikonenko. I confused, I confess! hi
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Cherry on the navel and slap on the stomach, the main thing is to be able to catch it in time in flight. laughing Damn, I don't remember from which movie this joke is.

    Something with Teresa Orlovskaya? ))
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 August 2020 20: 51 New
      +4
      God kill, I do not know about whom you are, I am not an expert in the cinema world. request
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 03 New
        +5
        A star of the Chicolina type))
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 1 August 2020 21: 11 New
          +5
          But I heard about this, a chaste girl, ran for parliament (sort of). laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 12 New
            +5
            And she was a deputy, and quite sensible)).
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 1 August 2020 22: 49 New
              +1
              Albert, greetings Buddy hi Reading your amusing correspondence, I thought ... whether to order a set of "clothes" through you repeat I'll hang it next to Mansi's clothes (you know that I love all kinds of "exhibits") ... it will be an exhibition of the most incongruous (probably) folk costumes! wink
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 22: 50 New
                +2
                Greetings, glad to see on the forum! hi Easy!
              2. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 1 August 2020 22: 54 New
                +1
                I will ask you to be more careful with the prices ... otherwise I will incite Meehan! tongue
                Everything for the price of two cuts of matter, otherwise I know ... laughing drinks
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 22: 57 New
                +1
                It depends on what you want. If the streamer is sable - an average of 3 thousand tanks
                If the suit - order the Chinese black ala Hugo Boss of the 70s. laughing If a black or other robe - patterns on the Internet, an Uzbek piece of fabric, a Bukhara tailor and more fellow wink drinks
              4. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                It depends on what you want. If the streamer is sable - an average of 3 thousand tanks
                If the suit - order the Chinese black ala Hugo Boss of the 70s. laughing If a black or other robe - patterns on the Internet, an Uzbek piece of fabric, a Bukhara tailor and more fellow wink drinks

                My mother belay Is that ALL Jewish national costumes ??? crying Tydy Oh ... I already have it! what
              5. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 04 New
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                On this one, damn it ... belay Sable - I'll strangle it with my bare hands! wink
              6. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 04 New
                +1
                Streimel and a Hasidic robe? And why did I forget to congratulate you every Khpnuku and Passover, Rebbe Marine? belay ))
              7. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 07 New
                0
                I actually meant Hugo Boss ... translation difficulties, you know recourse
              8. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 11 New
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                Made in China, 70s style? )) you almost outdid other Siberian guys of the late 90s, in Turkish suits for 400 tanks, which were then considered the chic of Novosibirsk, Irkutsk and Krasnoyarsk drinks
              9. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 14 New
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                Fie on You! am Radish. You completely confused me. I'm talking about good suits ... My theme is Lanvin. tongue
              10. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 20 New
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                I don't even know what it is. At home, two Hugo Boss suits, bought in Bengurion's Duty Free, are quite cheap, one of them was worn twice - a wedding and a Kuban anniversary. For the rest - they didn't fall in figs on me, and in general - I rarely come to meetings shaved, maximum - combed wink
              11. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 27 New
                +1
                After the coronavirus, your wife will drag you to Paris on a romantic trip ... fellow and you will understand everything at once! sad
              12. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 32 New
                +2
                In Nice I felt quite comfortable in a T-shirt and shorts, in jeans in the evening laughing
                Even in Vienna, where the elegant style of clothing was still preserved among the locals, it fit quite well with a coat and jeans on Wednesday from 04 to 01))))
                In general, in the world (and in the Russian Federation), so - suit - managers, as convenient - founders.
        2. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Hunter 2
          On this one, damn it ... belay Sable - I'll strangle it with my bare hands! wink

          And then why didn't you answer? Who is this Streimel? am
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 25 New
          +2
          High hat made of sable fur, worn on holidays. The most expensive - 250 thousand, the cheapest - about 2 thousand tanks.
        4. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          High hat made of sable fur, worn on holidays. The most expensive - 250 thousand, the cheapest - about 2 thousand tanks.

          Urgently Introduce Me to the Influential wearers of these Hats! yes
          I found myself a part-time job! wink
        5. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 36 New
          +1
          You mean with the suppliers - the carriers themselves plus 50 thousand minutes of tanks does not matter - they are not interested laughing
        6. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 41 New
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          What's the difference ... laughing well, I understand Fur coat (for a good sable fur coat you have to sort out up to two thousand Sables) but Hat belay Yes, I'll start sewing them myself yes You are in the Share! fellow
        7. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 42 New
          0
          Not everything is so simple there - the Streimel googels.
        8. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 48 New
          0
          Well ... again killed the dream of getting rich dramatically crying
          I will definitely look, it became interesting to myself.
          Well, maybe for the "poor" Jews - at least we will arrange the release of Sable Tyubeteki ??? recourse drinks
        9. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 23: 50 New
          -1
          For poor Jews, you can open second-hand fur products - drinks
        10. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 1 August 2020 23: 57 New
          +1
          That's it - I'm getting ready to hammer Sable ... in a month - one and a half is already possible! laughing
          While there are only Two ... for very poor Jews - it will not come from Kunitsa (related species, even interbreed, differ in lighter color). ??? sad
        11. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 2 August 2020 00: 01 New
          +2
          Very poor Jews have nothing to eat (relatively, of course) laughing But seriously, since the beginning of the pandemic, I began to sell a bunch of different garbage on Avito. You have no idea how many pontorez there are, bribing sunglasses worn for more than one year from manufacturers of a jewelry brand, for example laughing I'm not talking about expensive boxing / kickboxing ammunition. The topic ala sable is quite serious, it can be promoted, now the demand for this is increased.
        12. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 2 August 2020 00: 04 New
          +1
          I - Heard You! wink
  • Phil77
    Phil77 2 August 2020 09: 25 New
    +2
    Aesthetes, damn it! Has the * Bolshevichka * been closed? laughing
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 2 August 2020 11: 28 New
    +2
    No, but now it's not a sewing factory)))
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    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 1 August 2020 14: 36 New
      +3
      I remember.
      The actors probably have a slightly different perception of the world.
      And Bacchus in general changes a lot in consciousness.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 1 August 2020 14: 34 New
    +3
    Without Barbara Brylska, an article is not an article.

    Especially about how, after filming, drunk in the smoke, she defiled naked on a donkey. laughing
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 1 August 2020 16: 44 New
    +6
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Descriptions of clothing are often found in the Bible ...

    Vyacheslav, hello! hi
    And what about the description of Judas' clothes given by Bulgakov in his "Master"?

    "... a young man with a neatly trimmed beard in a clean white kefi falling over his shoulders, in a new festive blue talliff with tassels at the bottom and in brand new creaking sandals. A hunchbacked handsome man dressed up for a great holiday ..."


    Thanks for the article! I already wrote about "Pharaoh" and I don't want to repeat myself. smile


    To some extent, this is Mikhail Afanasyevich's fantasy. The fact is that people born at the end of the 19th century were very familiar with the plot of biblical events. And his daddy, Afanasy Ivanovich Bulgakov, was a professor at the Kiev Theological Academy.
    One more thing - Bulgakov had something to impress and where to get colorful descriptions from:
    On Monday, January 10, 1902, in Kiev on Vladimirskaya Gorka, not far from the place where almost a thousand years before the Kiev people adopted the new Christian faith from Prince Vladimir, many residents and guests of the city gathered. Officials attended the consecration and grand opening of the new attraction - the panoramic pavilion "Golgotha", in particular the Kiev governor and the mayor. There were rumors about the future spectacle long before the opening - they say, everyone who enters the pavilion will find himself ... in Jerusalem on Calvary and see how Christ was executed. The secret of "moving in time" was hidden in some specific panorama techniques. Before the eyes of the viewer, depending on its location under the dome of the cylindrical structure, a "picture performance" of voluminous objects unfolded against the background of a large canvas with skillfully painted small details. The light, the source of which was hidden from the viewer, fell from above, imitating the sun's rays. All this produced a "stereoscopic feeling of participation in the events," unfolding mainly in the imagination of the shocked spectators.


    It was a copy of the Viennese panorama "The Crucifixion of Christ", which burned down in 1892. Under a special order - and the Kyiv City Government even before the start of the construction of the pavilion put forward a condition that the expositions were exclusively of religious and historical content - the artists of the Vienna Academy I. Krieger and K. Frosch (members of the "German Society of Panoramicists" headed by the famous painter Bruno Piglheim) , completed an artistic canvas depicting Calvary.

    In Kiev, a canvas 94 meters long and 13 meters wide was transported wound on a special wooden reel; the cargo weighing 3200 kg was delivered by rail. The artistic work at the destination was completed by the Kiev decorator S. Fabiansky, who completed the illusory-object foreground of the picture, placing volumetric objects so as to create the illusion of the viewer's presence during the last moments of the life of Jesus Christ.

    After Christmas 1902, a real pilgrimage began to the Kiev "Golgotha", on Vladimirskaya Gorka "both young and old" were lined up. “In this temple of art,” as they wrote in one of the Kiev guidebooks of those times, “the audience stood for an hour or two, contemplating the amazing living picture“ The Last Days of the Savior's Life ”.

    Half a century later, Professor S. Kilimnik recalled the insane success of the Kiev panorama "Golgotha" in his article: "The fame of this extraordinary piece of art spread throughout the world, it was known on all continents."

    Fragment of the panorama "The Crucifixion of Christ"


    Now, in fact, about the quote from the novel "The Master and Margarita".
    "... a young man with a neatly trimmed beard in a clean white kefi falling over his shoulders, in a new festive blue talliff with tassels at the bottom and in brand new creaking sandals. A hunchbacked handsome man dressed up for a great holiday ..."

    Everyone who grew up wore beards. The degree of accuracy is probably an individual thing.
    "Kefi" is a keffiyeh, a well-known headdress in the Middle East.

    You just need to know that this piece of clothing appeared in those parts of the year 600-700 years after the events described. Apparently, Bulgakov saw someone in kufi, looking at the panorama and transferred this impression of his to the novel.

    Tallif - this word was used by Mikhail Afanasevich in the spelling known to him. Now, this word is pronounced as "tallit".

    On a holiday, and this was the Passover holiday - in memory of the Exodus from Egypt, men, going to prayer, put on tallit.
    Well, and leather sandals of varying degrees of softness could well be worn in those days by everyone who could afford to purchase them. hi
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 1 August 2020 19: 47 New
      +5
      Thank you, Alexander. smile
      You have turned out to be a little more voluminous than the article itself, and it’s just as interesting. good
  • Shahno
    Shahno 1 August 2020 14: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: Sea Cat
    "The farther I climbed, the better the fuck it!" laughing

    The Russian ended up at a Jewish wedding. He was given the floor for congratulations. Wanting to be his own on the board, he inserted a "word" into his toast: - And I also wish the young people a big tukhes!

    Those present were shocked, as the guest confused nahes (happiness) with tuhesom (ass). And only the wise old Jew was not at a loss:

    - You know - I understand the young man. Big tuhes is also nahes!

    Nahes in Yiddish, like the fact that wealth, but also happiness (נכס - property - Hebrew) .. laughing
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 15: 53 New
    +2
    Probably, even in the time of Moses, the ancient Jews had close ties with India, but how else to explain that they know indigo? After all, then they did not know synthetic dyes
    P
    S
    Perhaps the Jews are the earliest traders. I heard somewhere that Jews were the first bankers in the world
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 1 August 2020 16: 09 New
      +4
      Ancient Rome actively traded with India. Most likely Ancient Egypt too.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 1 August 2020 16: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: Astra wild
    Perhaps the Jews are the earliest traders. I heard somewhere that Jews were the first bankers in the world

    564 BC Babylon. A certain Abu-ahhe-iddin gives out 18 grams of silver on credit, takes a young slave on bail. In 559 he accepts a kind of bank deposit of 3 kg. silver. Can you call him a banker? wink
    1. Operator
      Operator 1 August 2020 18: 13 New
      +1
      According to the Old Testament in the 14th century BC. Jews, before making their legs out of Egypt on the orders of Moses, borrowed money from local merchants in gold and silver products (like they won't have to repay the debt anyway) - can you call them financial swindlers? laughing
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 1 August 2020 23: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Operator
        According to the Old Testament in the 14th century BC. Jews, before making their legs out of Egypt on the orders of Moses, borrowed money from local merchants in gold and silver products (like they won't have to repay the debt anyway) - can you call them financial swindlers? laughing

        what
        If the goal was to take possession of gold and silver items fraudulently without payment, then this is a fraud and export of gold and silver from the country.
        It is understandable why the pharaoh took personal control of the "search, pursuit and detention of swindlers."

        Seriously though, judging by the Old Testament, the position and life of the Jews in Egypt was at the level of slaves. Most likely, items made of precious metals were not lent to them.
        1. Operator
          Operator 2 August 2020 01: 00 New
          -1
          Habiru were in Egypt on a voluntary basis with the consent of the old pharaoh under the patronage of their fellow tribesman Joseph the Beautiful, therefore their position was equated to that of ordinary Egyptians. The only difference between the Habiru and the Egyptians was in economic specialization - animal husbandry instead of grain growing.

          The Habiru fled from Egypt because of the religious conflict between their leader Moses and the new pharaoh.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 16: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Wear it. All For Cala fellow

    What or who is Kala?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 1 August 2020 16: 58 New
      +3
      Faith !!!! This is a joke! laughing bully laughing bully
      However, you - * plus *!
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 1 August 2020 20: 52 New
      +2
      Cala? Uryna's older sister.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 1 August 2020 21: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Cala? Uryna's older sister.

        * -Again, the funny ones got caught! *
        * Adjutant of His Excellency *. Good evening Albert !!!! laughing hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 1 August 2020 21: 23 New
          +2
          Good evening! hi Well, yes, excrement was carried out over them)).
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 1 August 2020 21: 27 New
            +2
            * we have it, it's called ... Horse ...
            Timka! How?
            -confixation! * laughing
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 1 August 2020 16: 47 New
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    Quote: Phil77
    Quote: Astra wild
    Perhaps the Jews are the earliest traders. I heard somewhere that Jews were the first bankers in the world

    564 BC Babylon. A certain Abu-ahhe-iddin gives out 18 grams of silver on credit, takes a young slave on bail. In 559 he accepts a kind of bank deposit of 3 kg. silver. Can you call him a banker? wink
    Quite similar
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 1 August 2020 16: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Astra wild
      Quite similar

      Historians of the 19th century quite seriously called its founder * the ancient Rothschild *. bully And in ancient Nippur, a second private * bank * was created - the house of Murashu. It happened a little later, they invented what is called today - leasing. belay
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild 1 August 2020 21: 28 New
        +2
        I may be wrong, I read it a long time ago, but I am too lazy to reread, Hamlet said: "There is nothing new in the sublunary world." And you can't say more precisely.
        P
        S
        I met such an assumption that Hamlet and everything else was written by someone else, perhaps Bacon
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 1 August 2020 21: 33 New
          +2
          *there is nothing new under the sun
          what is, it was, it will be forever.
          and before the blood flowed like a river,
          and before a man cried. *
          N.M. Karamzin hi
          1. Astra wild
            Astra wild 2 August 2020 07: 35 New
            +1
            So I confused Karamzin and Shakespeare ?! Nightmare.
            And I somehow mentioned this quote in a conversation and everyone supported me: yes, it's Shakespeare
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 2 August 2020 09: 05 New
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              Quote: Astra wild
              And I somehow mentioned this quote in a conversation and everyone supported me: yes, it's Shakespeare

              * Nothing lasts forever under the moon. But life is immortal through the relay race of generations.
              If you value this gift, my friend,
              leave your mark by casting aside the poison of doubt. *
              Shakespeare's Sonnet11 / but not exactly! /
              So Vera, there is no particular mistake!
              The idea is essentially the same for the authors! hi
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 1 August 2020 22: 16 New
          +2
          What "Bacon" are we talking about ???
          1. Astra wild
            Astra wild 2 August 2020 07: 45 New
            +1
            I do not know what Bacon we are talking about. I once heard on TV that among the possible authors they mentioned: Elizabeth 1 and Bacon, but they were more inclined towards Bacon
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 2 August 2020 07: 51 New
              +1
              Feature film "Anonymous". I recommend.
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 2 August 2020 09: 11 New
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              Quote: Astra wild
              I don't know about which Bacon

              In a nutshell: Philosopher, Lawyer, Politician, Francis Bacon, Lord Chancellor from 1619 to 1621. soldierI'll add an Englishman.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 1 August 2020 16: 55 New
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that there are no signatures under the frescoes, not at all, but who and how then determined that the painted ones were the Semites? Only by a time machine someone darted into the past and personally asked the artist. laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
  • Operator
    Operator 1 August 2020 17: 41 New
    -1
    On a hike, the author lives in his Jewish sphero-conical world laughing

    Until the beginning of the 14th century BC. (the exit of the Jews from Egypt) there were no monotheistic Jews from the word at all, but there were nomadic pagans Habiru, who migrated to Egypt from drought and settled there with the consent of the current Pharaoh. Jews, and at the same time Jews, they became after climbing Mount Sinai of the prophet Moses, of course.

    Therefore, about any images of Jewish / Jewish clothing in Egyptian drawings of the 19th century BC. out of the question. The drawings depict the Arab inhabitants of Canaan at that time, judging by their clothes - rich merchants, to whom the wild and downtrodden Habiru cattle breeders clearly did not belong.

    After the settling of monotheistic Jews in Canaan, for the most part, they wore standard ancient clothing for hot climates - a linen tunic (a bag with holes for the head and hands), a woolen cape, and a roughly cut sheep skin for the local "winter". Plus a headscarf and sandals on bare feet. And, of course, without pants, the existence of which the Jews, like all southern residents, did not even suspect.
    1. aizik
      aizik 18 August 2020 21: 48 New
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      You are correct that there were no monotheistic Jews until the early 14th century BC. Moreover, they were not there after. They were simply called differently. They began to be called Jews much later. By the name of the remaining tribe of Yehuda. The other 10 tribes disappeared in exile. (Except Benjamin). And they really became monotheistic only after the gift of the Torah at Mount Sinai. Poor nomads were, but not all. Joseph was an important official at the court of the pharaoh. His clothes could well have been painted on a fresco.
      And there were no Arabs in Canaan then. They lived in the Arabian Peninsula. The inhabitants of Canaan, the pagans, eventually dissolved among the Jews.
      By the way, the tallit (katan, that is, small. The one that is worn every day) is an ancient tunic (not even a bag, but a cloth with a hole for the head and strings on the sides).
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 August 2020 22: 07 New
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        By the time the monotheist Jews arrived in Canaan, it was inhabited (with the exception of the Philistines on the Mediterranean coast) by natives of the Arabian Peninsula - Arabians (Arabs in Russian dubbing). Before them Canaan until about 4 millennium BC. inhabited by Hamites, blood relatives of the Egyptians and most of the African population.

        PS You are right - formally the pagans of the Habidu became monotheistic Jews after the descent of Moses from Mount Zion, located on the Sinai Peninsula, with the first copy of the tablets (according to legend).
        1. aizik
          aizik 20 August 2020 19: 03 New
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          Can you link to the statement that the Canaanites came from the Arabian Peninsula? I have not heard about this anywhere. From Egypt - I will believe, but from Arabia?
          By the way, the Philistines appeared much later. This is not their self-name. So they were called by the Jews from פלש (broadsword) - the Hebrew root meaning invasion, seizure. The name speaks for itself. Hence the word Palestine. And the hoarse Greeks made them Philistines. Have you noticed what a wonderful self-name the modern Palestinians have invented for themselves? "Invaders". It's funny, isn't it?
          1. Operator
            Operator 20 August 2020 21: 32 New
            +1
            According to the haplogroups of bone remains found in Palestine, it was first inhabited by carriers of E1 (relatives of North Africans), and then carriers of J1 (relatives of Arabians).

            Philistines - carriers of E3 (relatives of the Greeks).
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 20 August 2020 21: 54 New
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              Where did it start? And where did they find it?
              1. Operator
                Operator 20 August 2020 23: 09 New
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                No earlier bone remains of Homo sapiens than those of E1 carriers have been found in Palestine.
            2. aizik
              aizik 21 August 2020 13: 15 New
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              The last common ancestor of modern carriers of haplogroup J1 lived 27 years ago.
              So after all, all the inhabitants of the Middle East belong to this group. Jews too. So we are all Arabs? Why not dig in early? Before the time of Adam? There, for sure, we will all be relatives.
              1. Operator
                Operator 21 August 2020 16: 54 New
                +1
                220 thousand years ago in Africa, Homo sapiens of haplogroup A separated from a common ancestor with the Neanderthals. Since then, only Bushmen and Hottentots have remained from purebred carriers of haplogroup A. All other people 67 thousand years ago descended from carriers of the BT haplogroup (derived from haplogroup A) in Southeast Asia - presumably in the Kuvshin valley in Laos.

                After that, carriers of haplogroups B, E, G, J, I and R moved westward, in the southern C1, L and T, in the northern C2, N and Q, O remained in Southeast Asia.

                The first carriers of I reached Europe, then E (the Balkans), then - R1a, G, R1b, J2 and N1. The carriers of E were the first to reach the Middle East, and only then J1, who drove E to Africa (where the latter partially assimilated, partially exterminated the carriers of A).
                1. aizik
                  aizik 22 August 2020 01: 03 New
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                  All this is very interesting, but what does this have to do with the topic of our conversation? All these events took place long before the concepts of "Arab", "Jew" and even "Canaanin" appeared.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 22 August 2020 09: 43 New
                    +1
                    The attitude is that the J1 carriers were the first of the Homo sapiens to populate the Arabian Peninsula and the second (after the E carriers) to Palestine. J1 carriers are Arabs (synonymous with Arabians).

                    Jews are mestizos, they comprise only 20% of J1 speakers (in contrast to Arabs with 90%).
                    1. aizik
                      aizik 22 August 2020 10: 55 New
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                      You are not talking about Arabs, but about their ancestors. Here you go, I pulled from Vicky.
                      The ancestors of the Arabs are the ancient peoples and tribes of the Middle East and North Africa. The history of the Arabs is closely related to the history of the Semitic-speaking peoples in general. According to Mesopotamian historical evidence, the Arabs began to separate from other Semitic peoples not earlier than the 1st millennium BC. e.
                      At the beginning of the seventh century, the Meccan merchant Muhammad began to preach a new religion (Islam) and created his own community (ummah). The state (Caliphate) created by Muhammad began to spread rapidly and after a hundred years it began to stretch from Spain through North Africa and southwestern Asia to the borders of India. With the beginning of the Arab conquests, the ethnonym of the Arabs turns into the self-name of the Arabian tribes that made up the medieval Arab people.
                      Let me remind you of this quote.
                      The last common ancestor of modern carriers of haplogroup J1 lived 27 years ago.
                      That is, there are no J1 carriers today. There are only mutations.
                      Here's another
                      Genetic studies demonstrate a high degree of homogeneity in the population of the Middle East, most of which are carriers of haplogroup J, which is sometimes called the "haplogroup of Abraham" - after the legendary ancestor of the Arabs and Jews.
                      Please note that the haplogroup is not called the haplogroup of Muhammad or the haplogroup of the Arabs.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 11: 31 New
                        +1
                        In fact, in the scientific literature, J1 and J2 are called haplogroups of the Semites - respectively, southern and northern. Haplogroups from the moment of separation from the general BT do not change over time, their subclades change.

                        The peoples of the Middle East just show ethnic heterogeneity - from 90% J1 among the Arabs of Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Palestine to 50% J1 among the Arabs of Lebanon, Syria, Kuwait, UAE and Qatar.

                        Jews are full mestizos (the dominant haplogroup is absent), from 20 to 30% are carriers of J1, J2, E1 and R1 each (including 8,5% R1a of the Black Sea subclade).
                      2. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 13: 39 New
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                        Well! It turns out that you Jews do not belong to the haplogroup of Abraham!
                        "- Well, this is positively interesting, - shaking with laughter, the professor said - what is it you have - what will you miss, there is nothing!"
                        Read a professional http://pereformat.ru/2014/01/dna-genealogy-jews/
                        And in general, judging by the haplogroup about the people who have survived multiple migrations, both voluntary and violent, many wars with their murders and mass rapes is at least not correct. And even more so about the Jews with our concept of "conversion". Anyone who converts to Judaism becomes a Jew. Unlike, for example, Christians. There, being baptized, a person becomes a Christian, but the nationality remains the same. For example, Rabbi Akiva is of German origin. And the Israeli hero Raful comes from Russian subbotniks.
                      3. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 13: 56 New
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                        The descendants of Abraham (J1) make up only 20% of the Jews. The remaining 80% (J2, E1 and R1) are by no means victims of war, rape, etc. for a simple reason: the current structure of the Jewish population has remained unchanged since the adoption of monotheism (after the rejection of paganism with the cult of the goddess Ishtar, who practiced temple prostitution).

                        The descendants of Akiva, Raful and other foreigners who converted to Judaism make up a small percentage of the Jewish population.
                      4. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 15: 00 New
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                        Interesting! So you say that at the time of the giving of the Torah there was a group of people at Mount Sinai, in which only 20% were descendants of Abraham? And who are the remaining 80%? They cannot be considered Jews because their haplogroup is not correct? More fun and more fun every hour!
                      5. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 16: 12 New
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                        Exactly - only 20% of Jews at that time were biological descendants of Abraham. The rest were recorded as descendants from the words of their mothers. But in terms of language, culture and religion, they were all a single ethnic community. Including Moses - the carrier of the haplogroup R1a of the Black Sea subclade, attributed to the tribe of Levi.

                        PS, According to our Old Testament on Mount Zion, God gave Moses only stone tablets with the ten commandments (in 2 copies). The Torah (Pentateuch) is written in Hebrew writing, which appeared 200 years after the ascent of Moses to Mount Zion.
                      6. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 17: 03 New
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                        Clear. The descendants of Abraham are Arabs, the Old Testament is yours, and the Jews have nothing to do with it. Thank you for agreeing to call us a single ethnic community, not the descendants of the Khazars. I will repeat Woland's statement on this matter:
                        "- Well, this is positively interesting, - shaking with laughter, the professor said - what is it you have - what will you miss, there is nothing!"
                        You can think whatever you want, even that the Earth is flat. It (the Earth) does not care.
                        The Levi tribe never existed, and neither did the Cohen tribe. They enter the tribe of Yehuda. As servants of the Temple, they are not entitled to a separate tribe.
                        The Torah (your Old Testament) existed for some time only orally and was passed down from father to son, but then they decided to write it down in order to prevent the distortions inevitable during oral retelling. They wrote it down in the language the people spoke. We speak the same language today.
                      7. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 19: 16 New
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                        Our Old Testament keeps records of the tribes of Israel by the names of the sons of Jacob: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher. As you can see, Levi (Levi) and Judah (Yehuda) are among them.

                        The Levites, being not liable for military service, were just not included in the calculation of the number of the people of Israel.
                      8. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 19: 39 New
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                        Levi did not have his own allotment. But Joseph has two - Menashe and Ephraim. Interestingly, I live there - on the border of these two allotments.
                        Well, now let's list everyone, as it is written in OUR Torah:
                        Raeuven, Shimon, Yehuda, Issachar, Zvulun, Benyamin, Dan, Naftali, Gad, Asher, Menashe and Ephraim. Total 12.
                      9. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 20: 09 New
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                        By the way, all these names are quite common among Jews today. I was not lucky. I was born in a country where Aiziks were called Olegs. :)))
                      10. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 20: 25 New
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                        The tribes trace their genealogy from relatives in the same generation (in this case the sons of Jacob), and not from land plots.

                        Although you have so many things laughing
                      11. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 20: 31 New
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                        It's funny! lol
                        Do you like the copy more than the original? The taste and color ...
                      12. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 20: 47 New
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                        Anything can happen with us. Even the desert is blooming. And you?
                      13. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 20: 54 New
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                        And what else is giving birth? laughing
                      14. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 20: 57 New
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                        Thanks, we are not complaining. Two crops of potatoes per year. We have enough ourselves, and even we send it to you.
                      15. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 21: 01 New
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                        Actually, I'm not talking about potatoes, but about the descendants of "the land plots of Joseph, the son of Jacob."

                        PS The Israeli potatoes that we sold before the sanctions were purely plastic.
                      16. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 21: 08 New
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                        Didn't understand Who is giving birth to whom? Descendants of Joseph? I don’t know. These two tribes disappeared in exile along with the rest 8. Perhaps they spread our haplogroup throughout Asia. :))) Once I even heard a cartoon that the Taliban are one of the missing tribes of Israel (Yaakov).
                        And the potatoes, yes, not really. The climate is not right. But the grapes are excellent!
                      17. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 21: 23 New
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                        The Pashtuns and Tajiks of Afghanistan are carriers of the local J2 subclade and, in part, the R1a of the Black Sea subclade; Uzbeks - also C2. There were no Middle Eastern haplogroups and subclades among them.
                      18. aizik
                        aizik 22 August 2020 21: 29 New
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                        You know it better, of course, but 10 knees could not dissolve. Somewhere they had to inherit.
                      19. Operator
                        Operator 22 August 2020 21: 45 New
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                        Among the population of Mesopotamia / Sumer / Assyria / Babylon / Iraq, what is not mixed - J2, J1 (patriarch Abraham was from Ur), E, ​​G, R1b, R1a, etc.

                        The very place for the dissolution of the 10 tribes of Israel.
  • BAI
    BAI 1 August 2020 17: 59 New
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    "The Resurrection of Jairus's Daughter".

    I am not a great Bible scholar. The resurrection of Lazarus is on everyone's lips. How many resurrections were there?
    There is such a list:

    Son of a widow of Zarephath, resurrected by Elijah - 3 Kings 17:22
    Son of a widow of Sonam, resurrected by Elisha - 4 Kings 4: 34-35
    The man who was resurrected by touching the bones of Elisha - 4 Kings 13: 20-21
    The widow's son of Nain, resurrected by Jesus - Luke 7: 14-15
    The daughter of Jairus raised by Jesus - Luke 8: 52-56
    Lazarus of Bethany, brother of Mary and Martha, resurrected by Jesus - John 11
    Many saints who have fallen asleep after the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ - Matthew 27:52
    Tabitha, resurrected by Peter - Acts 9:40
    Eutychus, resurrected by Paul - Acts 20: 9-12
    Those. resurrection - not only for Christ? And Elisha is even stronger in something - does the dead raise the dead?
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 1 August 2020 21: 32 New
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      What will colleagues say: Privalov, Shahno? To the Operator's comment?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 August 2020 01: 01 New
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        That the Arab inhabitants did not appear until the 7th century AD. Before that, they lived in Jazira - the Arabian Peninsula, in Canaan they did not smell.
  • Old26
    Old26 2 August 2020 00: 07 New
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    Quote: Phil77
    Ours are cooler!
    * Come on, checkers up
    We were all born in battles.
    Shrapnel baptized us on campaigns,
    Swaddled overcoat
    Yes, a crazy blizzard.
    She sang lullabies for us. *
    *Red Square*. soldier

    As far as I remember, this is from the movie "High Rank". Film 1 - "I, T. Shapovalov" ..., not from the movie "Red Square"
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 2 August 2020 07: 36 New
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      Quote: Old26
      As far as I remember, this is from the movie "High Rank". Film 1 - "I, T. Shapovalov" ..., not from the movie "Red Square"

      Of course you are right! The mistake came out, alas! hi
  • Old26
    Old26 2 August 2020 12: 35 New
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    Quote: Phil77
    Of course you are right! The mistake came out, alas!

    It's okay, Sergei! Each of us can be wrong. Moreover, this film was shown for a very long time in cinemas, and on TV - I don't even know when
  • Gambit44
    Gambit44 1 October 2020 18: 58 New
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    There is nothing more comfortable than pants (jeans), T-shirts and sneakers. And I am convinced that nothing better will be invented.