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Ukraine reported on work on the creation of a new tank for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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In the photo - T-84BM "Oplot"


In Ukraine, they talk about plans and programs for the creation of advanced weapons. The head of the Central Research Institute of Arms and Military Equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Major General Igor Chepkov, reports that the Central Scientific Research Institute has been accompanying 250 experimental design works, which provide not only the modernization of existing models of military equipment, but also the creation of new ones.

The statement is made that in Ukraine they are working on the creation of new infantry fighting vehicles, an operational-tactical missile system and tank... According to Chepkov, representatives of defense institutes of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences are involved in the work.

The general did not provide details on the development of a new tank for the Ukrainian armed forces. At the same time, earlier information appeared in the Ukrainian media that a new tank could be created "taking into account the specifics of NATO." In Ukraine itself, they said that the tank could receive a 120-mm cannon - "like the American Abrams." Officially, this information has not yet been confirmed.

The Central Research Institute of Arms and Military Equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the work on the Clarinet anti-tank missile system.

In an interview with Ukrainian media, Igor Chepkov said that the Central Research Institute headed by him is also working on "re-equipment of a medium freezer trawler into a reconnaissance ship" for the needs of the Ukrainian Navy.

Earlier in Ukraine, it was repeatedly reported about the work to create a new tank. In particular, they talked about sketches of the Tirex tank. But to date, the Tirex sketches have remained sketches on paper.
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  1. DominickS
    DominickS 27 July 2020 07: 24
    16
    It will be cheaper and easier for chubs to buy decommissioned junk from a Washington baren than to develop something. Otherwise, everything will remain on paper.
    1. DeKo
      DeKo 27 July 2020 07: 43
      +4
      They took and published my text, dear. I wanted to say it
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 27 July 2020 08: 01
        +1
        In particular, they talked about the sketches of the Tirex tank.

        Ukraine is only capable of sketching shit not a fan.
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 27 July 2020 10: 14
          +3
          Well, don't be so categorical! If they cooperate, for example, with Poland and the Czech Republic, then something may work out!
          1. avg
            avg 27 July 2020 11: 38
            -1
            Quote: LIONnvrsk
            Well, don't be so categorical! If they cooperate, for example, with Poland and the Czech Republic, then something may work out!

            For example, install Tirex on a large freezer trawler. The output will be "Super Gyurza".
      2. venik
        venik 27 July 2020 09: 21
        +3
        Quote: DeKo
        They took and published my text, dear. I wanted to say it

        =======
        Come on, guys! Both - "removed from the tongue." drinks
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 27 July 2020 12: 57
        +2
        Quote: DeKo
        They took and published my text, dear. I wanted to say it

        Everyone wanted to say it. lol No offense. It's just that Ukraine has no other options. However, there is. Conduct an audit of the Soviet warehouses that have not yet burned out and pass it off as the latest developments. What they do, however, to the best of their ability.
    2. SAG
      SAG 27 July 2020 07: 46
      +6
      They will do it in 10 years in a single copy, no doubt about it, they will show it on Khreshchatyk on Independence Day of the United States and Halloween. They will put it behind armored glass so as not to be cut into metal and will PASS good
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 09: 39
        +2
        Quote: SAG
        Will do in 10 years in a single copy, no doubt

        I do not argue that they can create something, but they cannot even make one.
        1. SAG
          SAG 27 July 2020 21: 43
          +2
          I do not argue that they can create something, but they cannot even make one.

          Rather the opposite. They can collect parts from scrap metal and add tinsel and serpentine, but create a pipe dream from scratch already.
    3. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 27 July 2020 07: 46
      +7
      It will be cheaper and easier for chubs to buy decommissioned junk from a barn from Washington ... ... but there are also obstacles here, ... remember the 90s when rotten Mercedes peppers were bought and pepper on the roads with a finger. and when it came time to change the ball joints at the service station for the price of five Zhiguli. then the fingertip turned sharply ..... so in this case too ..... what has already been a relapse ... the Canadians offered the written-off F-18 for free, but on the condition that maintenance would be at the expense of the territory of U, they scratched their turnips, fingers and ........ and truncated, such a freebie turned out to be too expensive ..... but at the expense of some kind of development ..... especially dared ---- "involved representatives of defense institutes of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. "..that is, chartered accountants, artists and most importantly designers are involved !!!!! clap my hands ..... the more they cut the faster to the new Maidan .... I like this turn
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 27 July 2020 09: 41
        +1
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        It will be cheaper and easier for the chubs to buy decommissioned junk from the barn from Washington.

        Or maybe, like the Nigerians, they will send humanitarian aid.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 27 July 2020 09: 59
          +1
          humanitarian aid will be sent .... yeah, and with a parcel post with Harry Potter, he repaired tanks for free.
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 27 July 2020 13: 07
        +2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        Canadians offered decommissioned F-18s for free

        The Germans offered decommissioned (look like new) trams for free. Take it, but transportation is at your expense. And what do you think, Ukraine refused. Like they say, if you also paid for the delivery, then maybe we would agree to take it. These are the crappy freeloaders. Both honey and a spoon (I wanted to say it differently, but I can't). On the other hand, you can't drink for free and the budget.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 27 July 2020 13: 12
          +1
          ... for a freebie and the budget will not drink ........ sawing .... remember about the coal from South Africa ...... and how he walked with the DNI and continues. ....nothing personal . business
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 27 July 2020 13: 15
            +1
            Not quite that, a coal is for money (about the price, that's another question), but here it was offered for free.
    4. halpat
      halpat 27 July 2020 11: 07
      +4
      Quote: DominickS
      In Ukraine itself, they said that the tank could receive a 120-mm cannon - "like the American Abrams."

      I do not believe that 404 can develop and build something of their own.
      There are not so many countries in the world that can develop and build their own tank. So the fingers of 2 hands will be enough to count.
      But...
      In Ukraine itself, they said that the tank could receive a 120-mm cannon - "like the American Abrams."

      To speculate about another "like u" is more than enough.
      not that the Abrams cannon was her, but about the fact that in 404 nothing of their own was left and all that remains is to dream and envy.
      And we saw the Skakunov developments :))
      1. DominickS
        DominickS 27 July 2020 15: 51
        +1
        Uh-huh. And how they, I apologize, came out on the feces when the same "Armata" was shown. And they had a cardboard one, and a mock one, and its welded seams are not even, and an uninhabited tower is not needed, and that the project was stolen from the amers, then (which is already a clinic) from Ukraine itself. In short, the training manual changed quickly. Even our leftists will envy. All this ended, as we know, with the render "Tirex", with, attention, the same "unnecessary" uninhabited tower and an armored capsule. It's a circus.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 July 2020 07: 24
    10
    The new tank has already received the name "Op-loh", and on its basis will create a self-propelled gun "op-lo-ball", with wooden tracks. ..
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      The new tank has already received the name "Op-loh", and on its basis will create a self-propelled gun "op-lo-ball", with wooden tracks. ..

      In the State of Scam, this does not happen.
  3. bald
    bald 27 July 2020 07: 30
    +2
    Let's laugh together ..
  4. Private-K
    Private-K 27 July 2020 07: 32
    +5
    Here's what I thought: maybe Ukraine should take part in the competition for a new American BMP? good laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: Private-K
      Here's what I thought: maybe Ukraine should take part in the competition for a new American BMP?

      Already in service.
  5. Ka-52
    Ka-52 27 July 2020 07: 33
    +4
    Ukraine itself said that the tank can receive a 120-mm cannon

    where will they get it? In Ukraine they haven't even learned yet делать copy the old 2A46 - survivability 6 times lower than the Russian 2A46M-5.
    1. Holgerton
      Holgerton 27 July 2020 07: 55
      +2
      Your comment is outdated, SKMZ and KZTS have been producing new analogues of 2A46M for two years already, the miracle of which you are talking was called KBA-3, but even it had a resource of 300-400 shots, which is clearly not "6 times lower than 2A46M-5" ...
      I am not shielding their former impatience, but even they, with a systematic approach, can create weapons, especially copied ones.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 27 July 2020 08: 10
        +7
        300-400

        not 300-400, but a little more than 200. The network had a test report for these barrels.
        which is clearly not "6 times lower than 2A46M-5"

        1200 claimed from 2A46M-5
        but even they, with a systematic approach, can create weapons, especially copied ones.

        systems approach? Are we both talking about Ukraine? Ukraine has a systematic approach in only one thing - to move on the bent ones in the direction in which they are directed from overseas.
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 27 July 2020 12: 47
          -2
          Regarding the resource, then the test report from the network to the studio, if you decided to remember them, since I also judge according to the information of the military review, which I read a couple of years ago.
          And the systemic approach in Ukraine only to the war has remained, so there is no need to showcase it.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 28 July 2020 05: 09
            -1
            the protocol was laid out on bmpd. I don't remember where it lies, but there is no time to look. You can work yourself. The question is not about the design (although what is difficult there - the Sumy people attached a new pipe to the old breech), but about the metalworking technology. You can, at least as long as your chest, stand up to defend your native square, but there is no system there - one talking shop and slogans. In any area. And there cannot be her (system). Because a systematic approach predetermines a clear understanding of the goal and mechanisms for its achievement, planning and financing. And in Ukraine, even if some kind of design bureau on old yeast issues a technical solution, then with the subsequent manufacture of an initial batch, testing, fine-tuning, a headache begins - there is no money. And if by a miracle this path has been passed, then after being adopted for service, everything stops again, because the money again is stupidly enough only for a maximum of several copies for parades and exhibitions. Therefore, there is no system. Ukraine is Russia 90s, one to one. With the venality of power, widespread banditry, war, crawling on his knees in front of the West, a half-dead army and the same economy.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 01
        0
        Quote: Holgerton
        Your comment is out of date, SKMZ and KZTS have been producing new analogues of 2A46M for two years

        A similar thing started in 1998, only something died out, now again ...
        As if, in practice, these "new" cannons were not just removed old Soviet barrels from machines in "storage" ...
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 28 July 2020 21: 02
          0
          The previous production was organized on the basis of the Sumy oil pipeline production plant, this is already at KZTS and SKMZ.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 28 July 2020 23: 03
            0
            What's the difference? If then they could not with the still not quite broken industry, then with the present ruin, instead of industrial production, what to hope for?
    2. svp67
      svp67 27 July 2020 08: 20
      +1
      Quote: Ka-52
      where will they get it?

      Well, for example, from Turkey ...
    3. DominickS
      DominickS 27 July 2020 15: 53
      +1
      Disposable, maybe. Like their Moloch. Oh, sorry - "Hammer".
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 July 2020 07: 37
    +6
    Three tons of plasticine were brought to the air force unit to create the first analogue of the tank lol
  7. Potomac
    Potomac 27 July 2020 07: 40
    0
    Tirex is a separate project from the engineers of the Azov NSU regiment. It has nothing to do with the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.
  8. Kerensky
    Kerensky 27 July 2020 07: 44
    +8
    After all, a freezing trawler should be a priority as a reconnaissance ship. He will be able to freeze something.
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 27 July 2020 07: 57
      +6
      And so every day ... something will freeze ... laughing
      And there is no need for winter ...
  9. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 27 July 2020 07: 45
    11
    Who will be the chief designer? Rostik? The Sumerians cannot even master cartridges and mortars in the series, but everyone climbs there, build tanks, aircraft, missiles. The non-brothers have long gone by, their level is to plow the earth and graze pigs, as well as work in strawberry fields and clean toilets in the EU. And everyone thinks of themselves as "sluggish", on a par with Germany and France. They still live with the illusions of thirty years ago, when in 1990 the Ukrainian SSR was really equal in industrial development and potential to Germany and France. The clichés from Soviet propaganda were firmly entrenched in the saucepans of non-brothers, when the Ukrainians were pampered and called Ukraine "the breadbasket of the Union" and the forelock truly believed that they were "sluggish" and fed the entire Union, and if they separated, they would pan better than the Germans and French.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Who will be the chief designer?

      Design Bureau "Kvartal-95".
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 27 July 2020 07: 46
    +6
    Here we can tell stories about tanks, and about missiles, and about planes with ships! And even about the spaceships that will soon sail the Bolshoi Theater!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 July 2020 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Here we can tell stories about tanks, and about missiles, and about planes with ships!

      You shouldn’t think so badly about Ukraine. They have a very formidable car.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 July 2020 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        They have a very formidable car.

        Yes Yes! And behind the machine gun, Farion lay down after she got off Bandera's knees.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 July 2020 11: 01
          +3
          Quote: Egoza
          Yes Yes! And behind the machine gun, Farion lay down after she got off Bandera's knees.
          It seems so.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 27 July 2020 13: 21
          +1
          I heard about her that she joined the Communist Party in the late eighties.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 02
            +1
            Quote: Herman 4223
            I heard about her that she joined the Communist Party in the late eighties.

            And she didn't just join, but in 1991 she didn't even give up her membership card)))
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 27 July 2020 23: 05
              +1
              When ours will get back and the unbreakable union will begin to sing.
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 06
                +1
                Quote: Herman 4223
                When ours will get back and the unbreakable union will begin to sing.

                Exactly! And about "someone else's blood" he will say later that the demon has beguiled, the American cursed! Ugh at him!
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 27 July 2020 23: 11
                  +1
                  Yes, no, vryatli. She will say she was subversive among the bourgeois, but she had to speak so as not to get burned.
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Herman 4223
                    Yes, no, vryatli. She will say she was subversive among the bourgeois, but she had to speak so as not to get burned.

                    Exactly! I have always been an agent of the Kremlin and led a vigorous activity to discredit nationalists using the black PR method! wassat
                    1. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 27 July 2020 23: 15
                      +1
                      And your face.
      2. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 28 July 2020 22: 21
        +1
        Denis Maidanov has such a song: "if trouble, that nothing can be measured, will fall to the ground, ringing obliquely ..." Since 2004, I have been clearly associated with Yulia Timoshenko, who, a scoundrel, out of shame that she bears such a surname , it has long been necessary to sink into the ground, but such individuals have no shame or conscience.
  11. Mouse
    Mouse 27 July 2020 07: 49
    +4
    This one who is getting richer with a thought ...
    Do not miss the word ... laughing
  12. DeKo
    DeKo 27 July 2020 07: 54
    +7
    I always like to read about Ukraine's achievements. Especially in space and in the production of military equipment. What new tanks are we talking about, if the modernization of the BRDM and the armored personnel carrier implies sheathing the sides from the inside with Kevlar, installing an intercom and reinforcing mesh screens on the body. Well, about nanobrAny, I generally keep quiet. About 30 layers of epoxy-impregnated fiberglass, and another layer of tile on top. They say 12.7 holds easily. Or early nanoscale 2 mm steel, 2 mm fine mesh, reinforced rubber and again 2 mm metal. Ukraine needs to find drawings of the tank NOR 1 and NOR 2, this is the maximum that they can do
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 07: 54
    11
    is also working on the "conversion of a medium freezer trawler into a reconnaissance ship"
    Rich Country - Ruin. No food problems? request
    But to this day, Tirex's sketches have remained sketches on paper.
    Are you cheating? I remember, very well, a fifth-grader with a tank made of shoe and other boxes, really a layout !!! Poroshenko poked his nose at the Kharkov tank builders at the cardboard boxes, demanded to adopt the ideas and connect the potsan to the design.
  14. Tzar
    Tzar 27 July 2020 08: 18
    +3
    Well, the second time Thailand is unlikely to fall for it, they will have to look for another "client" smile
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 27 July 2020 08: 43
      +4
      They will not find another buyer. The reputation of the Sumerians is remembered forever.
  15. Cristall
    Cristall 27 July 2020 08: 21
    -3
    Quote: Ka-52
    where will they get it? In Ukraine, they have not yet learned how to make the previous 2A46 - the survivability is 6 times lower than the Russian 2A46M-5.

    they made it a long time ago

    120mm smoothbore gun with a specially designed automatic loader located at the rear of the turret
    The average barrel life of the 2A46 gun was about 600 reduced shots
    As of the beginning of 2013, the survivability of the barrel of the KBA-3 tank gun (for the manufacture of which the structural improved alloy steel 38KhN3MFA was used) was up to 200 rounds of armor-piercing subcaliber projectiles
    Modernization from Paton-plus 30%
    Steel is not suitable (since 38KhN3MFA steel has a relatively low heat resistance). It was also found that a layer of high hardness strengthened by LTO was practically not resistant to powder erosion.
    but the difference is 3 times (excluding Paton) and not 6 (2A46M-5. not so widespread and I did not take into account 1000 shots, since the Ukrainians need to be compared with the original, since they had no production at all)
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 05
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      120mm smoothbore gun with a specially designed automatic loader located at the rear of the turret

      Oha, in a single copy they smoked something
      Quote: Cristall
      The average barrel life of the 2A46 gun was about 600 reduced shots

      Oha, 1200, would you like to?
      Quote: Cristall
      the survivability of the barrel of the KBA-3 tank gun (for the manufacture of which the structural improved alloy steel 38KhN3MFA was used) was up to 200 rounds

      What's below any baseboard ...
  16. Revolver
    Revolver 27 July 2020 08: 34
    +3
    How, I wonder, will they develop it? Competence has been lost, cooperation has been torn apart, because in Soviet times, in Kharkov, a hell of a lot of tank components were received from all over the USSR. NATO cannon? So she goes to the tank complete with a hefty black loader, because there is no charger for her. Where will the blacks be taken? And if they do, where to plant? Since the time of the T-64, Soviet and, accordingly, Ukrainian tanks were designed for a crew of three, and, moreover, they tried not to take recruits of basketball growth into tankers. And the loader is the breaking of all templates.
  17. svp67
    svp67 27 July 2020 08: 34
    +5
    Yes, Ukraine already has its own tank with a 120-mm cannon, this is the T-84-120 "Yatagan"


    They show him with enviable stubbornness every time at their parades ... and he has already noted, having broken down at one of the trainings.

    Honestly now I will not be surprised at anything, seeing with what scale the Ukrainians are trying to work with other countries in the design and production of various types of weapons, these are Belarus, Poland, Turkey, the USA, France, the Czech Republic ...
    So, time will tell what is true and what is "wishlist" in this statement
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 27 July 2020 11: 11
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      Honestly now, I won't be surprised at anything, seeing with what scale Ukrainians are trying to work with other countries.
      When the Germans rolled plywood mock-ups of tanks at the Reichswehr exercises, many were then funny, but very soon they were not laughing. The Anglo-Saxons are methodically making anti-Russia out of Ukraine, a new "Wehrmacht", and there is little fun in it. In the video you can see a seven-wheel chassis and a stern niche at the Yatagan.
      The car is very similar to the Omsk "Black Eagle" (object 640).
      There was a strong school of tank building in Kharkov, it is foolish to underestimate its potential. As for our PR writers and hurray patriots, you can, of course, remember Voltaire - "What has become funny can no longer be dangerous", but there is also a continuation that what becomes dangerous will no longer be funny. The West wants to make new cannon fodder out of the "kaklov", and even if they only "bite" Russia, in a regional conflict, God only knows what this can result from, and this will definitely not be funny. It is necessary to take the threat seriously, our bourgeoisie would have dealt with their "Armats".
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 11
        +1
        Quote: Per se.
        When the Germans rolled plywood mock-ups of tanks during the Reichswehr exercises, m

        Well compared, well, made fun! Ukraine with its half-dead factories, with a 7% drop in industrial production in 2019 alone, excluding all this virus, is compared with Germany, which had almost the most powerful industry in Europe at that time and which was fed to Czecho-Slovakia for free. which also had one of the best war industries in Europe then?
        And what you showed in the picture is not an analogue of the "black eagle", but a terribly ugly tank-infantry fighting vehicle, where for some reason they also stuck a compartment for the landing behind the tower. And then, having buried this venture, they pinned the stern niche, completely covering the exit from this compartment ...
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 28 July 2020 07: 28
          -1
          Quote: Albert1988
          Well compared, well, laugh
          I did not compare Ukraine with the potential of the Third Reich, this time, well, but the devastation, so not everything is fine with us after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The difference is that Ukraine is not under sanctions, their claims to Donbass and Crimea are considered legal in the US and the EU, the Ukrainian army is being trained and re-equipped, and it is only a matter of time before they decide to restore "territorial integrity." This will support the West.

          You are having fun, but why is it that Russians are being killed in Donbas, that Crimea is without water and in the status of "temporarily occupied" for international law? Have you decided to teach life without even delving into the text of a comment addressed to another person? Where do you get it from, "that this is not an analogue of the "black eagle""? There was no question of this, there was a similarity, in particular in the solution with an automatic loader in the aft niche. In short, Eugene, I am also for Russia, but not everyone can jump to the same tambourine, there are different opinions, and one should not act as a "captain of the Obvious", make verdicts, as from the ultimate truth.

          And, finally, there is a threat to Russia, in any case, do not underestimate the Anglo-Saxons and their sixes. Good luck.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 28 July 2020 18: 24
            0
            Quote: Per se.
            I did not compare Ukraine with the potential of the Third Reich,

            But they compared situations that are very different ...
            Quote: Per se.
            so not everything is fine with us after the collapse of the Soviet Union

            Of course, only the Ukrainian economy makes up about 7% of the Russian economy, according to the most inflated measurements, and in 2019 their industrial production fell by 7%, and this is without taking into account the coronavirus ...
            Quote: Per se.
            the difference is that Ukraine is not under sanctions

            Namely - Ukraine, blazed by any sanctions, is rolling into the abyss, and for us sanctions are unpleasant, but not fatal far away, we live, and the economy "torn to shreds" is even showing growth ...
            Quote: Per se.
            their claims to Donbass and Crimea are considered legal in the US and EU

            And who cares? The EU and the US even consider it ultra-super-quasi-hyper legal, BUT! As long as Russia is present in Crimea, all this is nothing more than wet fantasies ...
            Quote: Per se.
            the Ukrainian army is trained and re-equipped

            No, but are you serious ?! It is "trained" in such a way that for 6 years it has not made any progress, it has almost become worse, but "rearmed" on such a scale that now the Ukrainian "army" lacks almost all types of weapons, except for small arms ...
            Quote: Per se.
            and it's only a matter of time before they decide to restore "territorial integrity". This will support the West.

            It would be nice to decide quickly - the sooner they go to "restore territorial integrity", the sooner we will arrange "08.08.08" for them in version 2020 ...
            Secondly, the West will support them, wow, how it will support them! Maybe he'll even give a couple of old decommissioned litakas!
            Quote: Per se.
            You are having fun, but why is it that Russians are being killed in Donbass, that Crimea is without water and in the status of "temporarily occupied" for international law?

            Well, all in a bunch! Yes, Russians have been killed there for 6 years! Whose fault is it? That's right - only our leadership, which is very much afraid for their summer cottages on the Cote d'Azur, which either have been taken away or will soon be taken away ...
            Crimea without water? So this is again in the same place - who prevented the embankment on the dam in the spirit of democratizers? All the same...
            International law? And what about toilet paper, with which everyone wipes, say?
            Quote: Per se.
            We decided to teach life

            God forbid! I have someone to teach and what to teach))))
            Quote: Per se.
            Where do you get, "that this is no analogue of the" black eagle ""?

            Because I am a little familiar with the history of the "development" of modern Ukrainian canning and banking industry, which by some mistake was called tank building, because all the same old Soviet vehicles with minimal alterations are fighting in the field, and all these vaunted "bulats" have failed with a huge crash ...
            Quote: Per se.
            There was no question of this, there was a similarity, in particular in the solution with an automatic loader in the aft niche.

            What is there in the stern niche should not bother anyone at all - if not a complete model, then it exists in a strictly unique copy and it is not a fact that it still works ...
            Quote: Per se.
            And, finally, there is a threat to Russia, in any case, do not underestimate the Anglo-Saxons and their sixes. Good luck.

            No one is doing this, the only problem is what role and what future these same Anglo-Saxons have in store for Ukraine. And there, by all indications, it is clearly visible that, first of all, the industry needs to be buried so that Russia does not get it ...
            Quote: Per se.
            Oroche, Eugene, I am also for Russia, but not everyone can jump to one tambourine, there are different opinions

            I completely agree, but trying to present the modern, curving Ukraine as something serious is, I think, too much.
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 07
      0
      "Yatagan" has existed in a single copy for how many years?
      Quote: svp67
      Honestly now I will not be surprised at anything, seeing with what scale the Ukrainians are trying to work with other countries in the design and production of various types of weapons, these are Belarus, Poland, Turkey, the USA, France, the Czech Republic ...

      Basically, it all comes down to buying all sorts of junk, which is good if it is simply painted in Ukraine with a new color ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 28 July 2020 05: 00
        +1
        Quote: Albert1988
        Basically, it all comes down to buying all sorts of junk, which is good if it is simply painted in Ukraine with a new color ...

        Sorry, but the new ATGM systems, Bogdan-MAZ trucks, UAVs, small arms, communication equipment clearly do not fall into this category
        1. Katanikotael
          Katanikotael 28 July 2020 05: 18
          +1
          Well, why, not in the know about the latest trends with ATGM, but Bogdan and UAVs from the Ukrainian development only have paint.
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 July 2020 05: 24
            +1
            Quote: Katanikotael
            Well, why, not in the know about the latest trends with ATGM, but Bogdan and UAVs from the Ukrainian development only have paint.

            Actually, I was talking about cooperation ... Yes, and they collect "Bogdans". And the ATGM, they created their own with the Belarusian "Peleng"
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 28 July 2020 18: 26
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Actually, I was talking about cooperation ... Yes, and they collect "Bogdans".

              And how many of these "bogdans" are going there?
              Quote: svp67
              And the ATGM, they created their own with the Belarusian "Peleng"

              The question is, how are these "own" ATGMs different from the old Soviet ones?
              Well, UAVs are generally bought from the same Turkey ...
              Or of the same quality as about the bearded ones in Syria.
              1. svp67
                svp67 28 July 2020 18: 38
                +1
                Quote: Albert1988
                And how many of these "bogdans" are going there?

                It's hard to say ... it has been announced that it is possible to produce 500 vehicles per year, production began in 2018 ... that means somewhere in the range of 1000-1500 vehicles and all of them are only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
                Quote: Albert1988
                The question is, how are these "own" ATGMs different from the old Soviet ones?

                Only by the fact that they are produced at factories in Ukraine ...
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 28 July 2020 23: 06
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  It's hard to say ... it has been announced that it is possible to produce 500 vehicles per year, production began in 2018 ... that means somewhere in the range of 1000-1500 vehicles and all of them are only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                  Here's what is important - the car is assembled with screwdrivers in Ukraine, so ...
                  Quote: svp67
                  Only by the fact that they are produced at factories in Ukraine ...

                  That's right, and in the production of ammunition, Ukraine has abandoned Soviet GOST standards, that is, the quality of these missiles will be below any plinth ...
  18. Andrea
    Andrea 27 July 2020 08: 36
    +4
    It looks like another wunderwaffle is wrestling, perhaps even cooler than a tank on a tractor, if not stolen in the process.
    Designers, the Soviet school, maybe there is still an industry capable of sculpting a tank, too, but for some reason the only thing that is new on hearing is the "hammer" mortar, which nails the servants for nothing, and an armored boat made of cardboard.
    And why then the tanks are collected all over Europe, and even their own in storage darkness, darkness.
    Upgrade! But something does not give dashing dancers.
    The "stronghold" in the NATO tank biathlon left a thin, smelly pile.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 27 July 2020 11: 28
      +2
      To have something of their own, they will have to restore the production of armored hulls for tanks and, in general, armored steel grades. Once upon a time there was an article on this topic here, this production in Mariupol was closed in 2009.
      Road wheels and dynamic protection were made in Donetsk.
    2. silverura
      silverura 27 July 2020 22: 48
      +1
      The bulwark "in the NATO tank biathlon left a liquid, smelly pile.
      Where did you see the Strongholds there? Give me a link please. There were T-84s repaired, so to speak - on the knee.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 13
        +1
        Quote: silverura
        Where did you see the Strongholds there? Give me a link please. There were T-84s repaired, so to speak - on the knee.

        Well, it's just that local citizens began to officially extend the name "stronghold" to old T-84s, and the familiar "stronghold" (which was driven into Tai) is called "Stronghold-M-e-e"
  19. Rubi0
    Rubi0 27 July 2020 09: 55
    +2
    Well, it means another wave of increase in communal apartments in the fall will be
  20. tank-master
    tank-master 27 July 2020 10: 00
    +2
    I wonder who will create a new tank ... when the KMDB has only disabled and crippled people who cannot find a job ... or pre-retirees ... who have never shone with intelligence, but sit well on their balls. So what about the new tank you can just laugh ... and the new BMP ... this is still nonsense.
  21. Good forester
    Good forester 27 July 2020 10: 05
    +1
    A tank in sketches, a fishing boat for a reconnaissance vessel, look like this, the Sumerians will get to the submarine. Make some kind of Nautilus out of a boat. The boat was called Zaporozhye, and the nautilus will be called Zaporozhets.
    1. Crash
      Crash 27 July 2020 19: 10
      +3
      and get to the submarine. Make some Nautilus out of the boat

      The tanker "Delphi" has been on tests for six months laughing
      [img=|Как-то так...]https://news.liga.net/images/general/2020/07/24/thumbnail-sld-20200724140922-9118.jpg?v=1595593201[/img]

  22. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 27 July 2020 11: 11
    +1
    Whatever this country amuses itself with, the main thing is that more money is poured out for it
  23. prior
    prior 27 July 2020 11: 12
    +2
    There is no point in discussing the new Ukrainian tank. It will never be.
    The Washington owner will not allow his own equipment, they will buy used equipment from the owner.
    The Ukrainian Navy is an example of the future of Ukrainian tank building. Having destroyed all the shipbuilding, they buy decommissioned American boats. The same will happen with tank building.
    Sche ne vmerla? so it will certainly die ...
  24. bulava
    bulava 27 July 2020 11: 27
    +1
    Yeah, a tank, based on the old Tatra T3M tram car
  25. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 July 2020 11: 48
    +1
    Well, work may be underway, but it is unlikely to create a new tank.
  26. madrobot
    madrobot 27 July 2020 12: 21
    +2
    In particular, they talked about the sketches of the Tirex tank. But to this day, Tirex's sketches have remained sketches on paper.


    And what, there was at least some version of the embodiment of this monster "in hardware"? There, after all, absolutely everything was the dreams of a "mother's tanker". The T-14 turned out to be so hefty (by the standards of the Soviet tank building school) because the entire crew sits in one row, and even in an armored capsule. And these clowns took the T-64 base. It's not even funny, but somehow pathetic, or something ...
  27. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 27 July 2020 13: 30
    +1
    I remember about five years ago it was said a lot that a stronghold tank was about to be put into production, even numbers were called about 250 vehicles. Now here are the tales of a hundred planes by 2035, and a new tank.
  28. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 27 July 2020 16: 05
    +1
    New tank! Again??!! And where did the old ones go, sir?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 27 July 2020 23: 15
      0
      Quote: Fil743
      New tank! Again??!! And where did the old ones go, sir?

      Well, how where - who burned down in Donbass, who was sold to the "separatists" in the same Donbass ...
  29. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 28 July 2020 00: 19
    +1
    Rostik Abramov fellow from Krivoy Rog - "a brilliant designer", he is already 18 years old, probably already got a job at "Ukroboromprom" at the KhRRZ "chief designer".
    1. fider
      fider 28 July 2020 14: 31
      -1
      There is no article, and no comments. tongue
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 28 July 2020 23: 08
        0
        Quote: fider
        There is no article, and no comments.

        Your comment, I look, especially none))))
  30. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 28 July 2020 22: 12
    +1
    And in the photo it brought him so dashingly? Interesting tower. With a niche, or what? Since nothing of this kind was produced there, is this NATO cosplay?
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 28 July 2020 23: 08
      0
      Quote: Arthur 85
      And in the photo it brought him so dashingly? Interesting tower. With a niche, or what? Since nothing of this kind was produced there, is this NATO cosplay?

      The picture shows the banal "Oplot-M" (tuned T-80 with a welded turret). And yes - there is a stern niche ala T-90M.
      1. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 28 July 2020 23: 21
        +1
        H'm. Did you saw off a piece of the tower at the back and weld a niche? It is possible, why not, but in American tanks, there is a loader, but in Soviet ones it is not ... And the niche makes sense for long BOPS ... I doubt that the Americans supplied them to the natives. And why then?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 28 July 2020 23: 23
          +1
          Quote: Arthur 85
          H'm. Did you saw off a piece of the tower at the back and weld a niche?

          No, they just sawed down a welded turret like the one on the brand new T-90M, but it turned out very crooked)))
          Quote: Arthur 85
          It is possible, why not, but in American tanks, there is a loader there, but in Soviet ones it is not ...

          There, the shells, like that of the same T-90M, are simply stored so that they do not carry it inside the case, loading is also through a carousel)
  31. AleBors
    AleBors 29 July 2020 16: 15
    +1
    Yeah ... A cannon like an Abrams, a caterpillar like a Merkava, armor like a trash can, an engine like a Zaporozhets, electronics from aliexpress. You can't build it on paper. The "stronghold" cannot be finished ...