Ukraine reported on work on the creation of a new tank for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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In the photo - T-84BM "Oplot"

In Ukraine, they talk about plans and programs for the creation of advanced weapons. The head of the Central Research Institute of Arms and Military Equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Major General Igor Chepkov, reports that the Central Scientific Research Institute has been accompanying 250 experimental design works, which provide not only the modernization of existing models of military equipment, but also the creation of new ones.

The statement is made that in Ukraine they are working on the creation of new infantry fighting vehicles, an operational-tactical missile system and tank... According to Chepkov, representatives of defense institutes of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences are involved in the work.



The general did not provide details on the development of a new tank for the Ukrainian armed forces. At the same time, earlier information appeared in the Ukrainian media that a new tank could be created "taking into account the specifics of NATO." In Ukraine itself, they said that the tank could receive a 120-mm cannon - "like the American Abrams." Officially, this information has not yet been confirmed.

The Central Research Institute of Arms and Military Equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced the work on the Clarinet anti-tank missile system.

In an interview with Ukrainian media, Igor Chepkov said that the Central Research Institute headed by him is also working on "re-equipment of a medium freezer trawler into a reconnaissance ship" for the needs of the Ukrainian Navy.

Earlier in Ukraine, it was repeatedly reported about the work to create a new tank. In particular, they talked about sketches of the Tirex tank. But to date, the Tirex sketches have remained sketches on paper.
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    1. +16
      27 July 2020 07: 24
      It will be cheaper and easier for chubs to buy decommissioned junk from a Washington baren than to develop something. Otherwise, everything will remain on paper.
      1. +4
        27 July 2020 07: 43
        They took and published my text, dear. I wanted to say it
        1. +1
          27 July 2020 08: 01
          In particular, they talked about the sketches of the Tirex tank.

          Ukraine is only capable of sketching shit not a fan.
          1. +3
            27 July 2020 10: 14
            Well, don't be so categorical! If they cooperate, for example, with Poland and the Czech Republic, then something may work out!
            1. avg
              -1
              27 July 2020 11: 38
              Quote: LIONnvrsk
              Well, don't be so categorical! If they cooperate, for example, with Poland and the Czech Republic, then something may work out!

              For example, install Tirex on a large freezer trawler. The output will be "Super Gyurza".
        2. +3
          27 July 2020 09: 21
          Quote: DeKo
          They took and published my text, dear. I wanted to say it

          =======
          Come on, guys! Both - "removed from the tongue." drinks
        3. +2
          27 July 2020 12: 57
          Quote: DeKo
          They took and published my text, dear. I wanted to say it

          Everyone wanted to say it. lol No offense. It's just that Ukraine has no other options. However, there is. Conduct an audit of the Soviet warehouses that have not yet burned out and pass it off as the latest developments. What they do, however, to the best of their ability.
      2. SAG
        +6
        27 July 2020 07: 46
        They will do it in 10 years in a single copy, no doubt about it, they will show it on Khreshchatyk on Independence Day of the United States and Halloween. They will put it behind armored glass so as not to be cut into metal and will PASS good
        1. +2
          27 July 2020 09: 39
          Quote: SAG
          Will do in 10 years in a single copy, no doubt

          I do not argue that they can create something, but they cannot even make one.
          1. SAG
            +2
            27 July 2020 21: 43
            I do not argue that they can create something, but they cannot even make one.

            Rather the opposite. They can collect parts from scrap metal and add tinsel and serpentine, but create a pipe dream from scratch already.
      3. +7
        27 July 2020 07: 46
        It will be cheaper and easier for chubs to buy decommissioned junk from a barn from Washington ... ... but there are also obstacles here, ... remember the 90s when rotten Mercedes peppers were bought and pepper on the roads with a finger. and when it came time to change the ball joints at the service station for the price of five Zhiguli. then the fingertip turned sharply ..... so in this case too ..... what has already been a relapse ... the Canadians offered the written-off F-18 for free, but on the condition that maintenance would be at the expense of the territory of U, they scratched their turnips, fingers and ........ and truncated, such a freebie turned out to be too expensive ..... but at the expense of some kind of development ..... especially dared ---- "involved representatives of defense institutes of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. "..that is, chartered accountants, artists and most importantly designers are involved !!!!! clap my hands ..... the more they cut the faster to the new Maidan .... I like this turn
        1. +1
          27 July 2020 09: 41
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          It will be cheaper and easier for the chubs to buy decommissioned junk from the barn from Washington.

          Or maybe, like the Nigerians, they will send humanitarian aid.
          1. +1
            27 July 2020 09: 59
            humanitarian aid will be sent .... yeah, and with a parcel post with Harry Potter, he repaired tanks for free.
        2. +2
          27 July 2020 13: 07
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          Canadians offered decommissioned F-18s for free

          The Germans offered decommissioned (look like new) trams for free. Take it, but transportation is at your expense. And what do you think, Ukraine refused. Like they say, if you also paid for the delivery, then maybe we would agree to take it. These are the crappy freeloaders. Both honey and a spoon (I wanted to say it differently, but I can't). On the other hand, you can't drink for free and the budget.
          1. +1
            27 July 2020 13: 12
            ... for a freebie and the budget will not drink ........ sawing .... remember about the coal from South Africa ...... and how he walked with the DNI and continues. ....nothing personal . business
            1. +1
              27 July 2020 13: 15
              Not quite that, a coal is for money (about the price, that's another question), but here it was offered for free.
      4. +4
        27 July 2020 11: 07
        Quote: DominickS
        In Ukraine itself, they said that the tank could receive a 120-mm cannon - "like the American Abrams."

        I do not believe that 404 can develop and build something of their own.
        There are not so many countries in the world that can develop and build their own tank. So the fingers of 2 hands will be enough to count.
        But...
        In Ukraine itself, they said that the tank could receive a 120-mm cannon - "like the American Abrams."

        To speculate about another "like u" is more than enough.
        not that the Abrams cannon was her, but about the fact that in 404 nothing of their own was left and all that remains is to dream and envy.
        And we saw the Skakunov developments :))
        1. +1
          27 July 2020 15: 51
          Uh-huh. And how they, I apologize, came out on the feces when the same "Armata" was shown. And they had a cardboard one, and a mock one, and its welded seams are not even, and an uninhabited tower is not needed, and that the project was stolen from the amers, then (which is already a clinic) from Ukraine itself. In short, the training manual changed quickly. Even our leftists will envy. All this ended, as we know, with the render "Tirex", with, attention, the same "unnecessary" uninhabited tower and an armored capsule. It's a circus.
    2. +10
      27 July 2020 07: 24
      The new tank has already received the name "Op-loh", and on its basis will create a self-propelled gun "op-lo-ball", with wooden tracks. ..
      1. +2
        27 July 2020 09: 44
        Quote: Thrifty
        The new tank has already received the name "Op-loh", and on its basis will create a self-propelled gun "op-lo-ball", with wooden tracks. ..

        In the State of Scam, this does not happen.
    3. +2
      27 July 2020 07: 30
      Let's laugh together ..
    4. +5
      27 July 2020 07: 32
      Here's what I thought: maybe Ukraine should take part in the competition for a new American BMP? good laughing
      1. +2
        27 July 2020 09: 58
        Quote: Private-K
        Here's what I thought: maybe Ukraine should take part in the competition for a new American BMP?

        Already in service.
    5. +4
      27 July 2020 07: 33
      Ukraine itself said that the tank can receive a 120-mm cannon

      where will they get it? In Ukraine they haven't even learned yet делать copy the old 2A46 - survivability 6 times lower than the Russian 2A46M-5.
      1. +2
        27 July 2020 07: 55
        Your comment is outdated, SKMZ and KZTS have been producing new analogues of 2A46M for two years already, the miracle of which you are talking was called KBA-3, but even it had a resource of 300-400 shots, which is clearly not "6 times lower than 2A46M-5" ...
        I am not shielding their former impatience, but even they, with a systematic approach, can create weapons, especially copied ones.
        1. +7
          27 July 2020 08: 10
          300-400

          not 300-400, but a little more than 200. The network had a test report for these barrels.
          which is clearly not "6 times lower than 2A46M-5"

          1200 claimed from 2A46M-5
          but even they, with a systematic approach, can create weapons, especially copied ones.

          systems approach? Are we both talking about Ukraine? Ukraine has a systematic approach in only one thing - to move on the bent ones in the direction in which they are directed from overseas.
          1. -2
            27 July 2020 12: 47
            Regarding the resource, then the test report from the network to the studio, if you decided to remember them, since I also judge according to the information of the military review, which I read a couple of years ago.
            And the systemic approach in Ukraine only to the war has remained, so there is no need to showcase it.
            1. -1
              28 July 2020 05: 09
              the protocol was laid out on bmpd. I don't remember where it lies, but there is no time to look. You can work yourself. The question is not about the design (although what is difficult there - the Sumy people attached a new pipe to the old breech), but about the metalworking technology. You can, at least as long as your chest, stand up to defend your native square, but there is no system there - one talking shop and slogans. In any area. And there cannot be her (system). Because a systematic approach predetermines a clear understanding of the goal and mechanisms for its achievement, planning and financing. And in Ukraine, even if some kind of design bureau on old yeast issues a technical solution, then with the subsequent manufacture of an initial batch, testing, fine-tuning, a headache begins - there is no money. And if by a miracle this path has been passed, then after being adopted for service, everything stops again, because the money again is stupidly enough only for a maximum of several copies for parades and exhibitions. Therefore, there is no system. Ukraine is Russia 90s, one to one. With the venality of power, widespread banditry, war, crawling on his knees in front of the West, a half-dead army and the same economy.
        2. 0
          27 July 2020 23: 01
          Quote: Holgerton
          Your comment is out of date, SKMZ and KZTS have been producing new analogues of 2A46M for two years

          A similar thing started in 1998, only something died out, now again ...
          As if, in practice, these "new" cannons were not just removed old Soviet barrels from machines in "storage" ...
          1. 0
            28 July 2020 21: 02
            The previous production was organized on the basis of the Sumy oil pipeline production plant, this is already at KZTS and SKMZ.
            1. 0
              28 July 2020 23: 03
              What's the difference? If then they could not with the still not quite broken industry, then with the present ruin, instead of industrial production, what to hope for?
      2. +1
        27 July 2020 08: 20
        Quote: Ka-52
        where will they get it?

        Well, for example, from Turkey ...
      3. +1
        27 July 2020 15: 53
        Disposable, maybe. Like their Moloch. Oh, sorry - "Hammer".
    6. +6
      27 July 2020 07: 37
      Three tons of plasticine were brought to the air force unit to create the first analogue of the tank lol
    7. 0
      27 July 2020 07: 40
      Tirex is a separate project from the engineers of the Azov NSU regiment. It has nothing to do with the military-industrial complex of Ukraine.
    8. +8
      27 July 2020 07: 44
      After all, a freezing trawler should be a priority as a reconnaissance ship. He will be able to freeze something.
      1. +6
        27 July 2020 07: 57
        And so every day ... something will freeze ... laughing
        And there is no need for winter ...
    9. +11
      27 July 2020 07: 45
      Who will be the chief designer? Rostik? The Sumerians cannot even master cartridges and mortars in the series, but everyone climbs there, build tanks, aircraft, missiles. The non-brothers have long gone by, their level is to plow the earth and graze pigs, as well as work in strawberry fields and clean toilets in the EU. And everyone thinks of themselves as "sluggish", on a par with Germany and France. They still live with the illusions of thirty years ago, when in 1990 the Ukrainian SSR was really equal in industrial development and potential to Germany and France. The clichés from Soviet propaganda were firmly entrenched in the saucepans of non-brothers, when the Ukrainians were pampered and called Ukraine "the breadbasket of the Union" and the forelock truly believed that they were "sluggish" and fed the entire Union, and if they separated, they would pan better than the Germans and French.
      1. +3
        27 July 2020 10: 06
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Who will be the chief designer?

        Design Bureau "Kvartal-95".
    10. +6
      27 July 2020 07: 46
      Here we can tell stories about tanks, and about missiles, and about planes with ships! And even about the spaceships that will soon sail the Bolshoi Theater!
      1. +3
        27 July 2020 10: 04
        Quote: Egoza
        Here we can tell stories about tanks, and about missiles, and about planes with ships!

        You shouldn’t think so badly about Ukraine. They have a very formidable car.
        1. +3
          27 July 2020 10: 33
          Quote: tihonmarine
          They have a very formidable car.

          Yes Yes! And behind the machine gun, Farion lay down after she got off Bandera's knees.
          1. +3
            27 July 2020 11: 01
            Quote: Egoza
            Yes Yes! And behind the machine gun, Farion lay down after she got off Bandera's knees.
            It seems so.
          2. +1
            27 July 2020 13: 21
            I heard about her that she joined the Communist Party in the late eighties.
            1. +1
              27 July 2020 23: 02
              Quote: Herman 4223
              I heard about her that she joined the Communist Party in the late eighties.

              And she didn't just join, but in 1991 she didn't even give up her membership card)))
              1. +1
                27 July 2020 23: 05
                When ours will get back and the unbreakable union will begin to sing.
                1. +1
                  27 July 2020 23: 06
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  When ours will get back and the unbreakable union will begin to sing.

                  Exactly! And about "someone else's blood" he will say later that the demon has beguiled, the American cursed! Ugh at him!
                  1. +1
                    27 July 2020 23: 11
                    Yes, no, vryatli. She will say she was subversive among the bourgeois, but she had to speak so as not to get burned.
                    1. +1
                      27 July 2020 23: 12
                      Quote: Herman 4223
                      Yes, no, vryatli. She will say she was subversive among the bourgeois, but she had to speak so as not to get burned.

                      Exactly! I have always been an agent of the Kremlin and led a vigorous activity to discredit nationalists using the black PR method! wassat
                      1. +1
                        27 July 2020 23: 15
                        And your face.
        2. +1
          28 July 2020 22: 21
          Denis Maidanov has such a song: "if trouble, that nothing can be measured, will fall to the ground, ringing obliquely ..." Since 2004, I have been clearly associated with Yulia Timoshenko, who, a scoundrel, out of shame that she bears such a surname , it has long been necessary to sink into the ground, but such individuals have no shame or conscience.
    11. +4
      27 July 2020 07: 49
      This one who is getting richer with a thought ...
      Do not miss the word ... laughing
    12. +7
      27 July 2020 07: 54
      I always like to read about Ukraine's achievements. Especially in space and in the production of military equipment. What new tanks are we talking about, if the modernization of the BRDM and the armored personnel carrier implies sheathing the sides from the inside with Kevlar, installing an intercom and reinforcing mesh screens on the body. Well, about nanobrAny, I generally keep quiet. About 30 layers of epoxy-impregnated fiberglass, and another layer of tile on top. They say 12.7 holds easily. Or early nanoscale 2 mm steel, 2 mm fine mesh, reinforced rubber and again 2 mm metal. Ukraine needs to find drawings of the tank NOR 1 and NOR 2, this is the maximum that they can do
    13. +11
      27 July 2020 07: 54
      is also working on the "conversion of a medium freezer trawler into a reconnaissance ship"
      Rich Country - Ruin. No food problems? request
      But to this day, Tirex's sketches have remained sketches on paper.
      Are you cheating? I remember, very well, a fifth-grader with a tank made of shoe and other boxes, really a layout !!! Poroshenko poked his nose at the Kharkov tank builders at the cardboard boxes, demanded to adopt the ideas and connect the potsan to the design.
    14. +3
      27 July 2020 08: 18
      Well, the second time Thailand is unlikely to fall for it, they will have to look for another "client" smile
      1. +4
        27 July 2020 08: 43
        They will not find another buyer. The reputation of the Sumerians is remembered forever.
    15. -3
      27 July 2020 08: 21
      Quote: Ka-52
      where will they get it? In Ukraine, they have not yet learned how to make the previous 2A46 - the survivability is 6 times lower than the Russian 2A46M-5.

      they made it a long time ago

      120mm smoothbore gun with a specially designed automatic loader located at the rear of the turret
      The average barrel life of the 2A46 gun was about 600 reduced shots
      As of the beginning of 2013, the survivability of the barrel of the KBA-3 tank gun (for the manufacture of which the structural improved alloy steel 38KhN3MFA was used) was up to 200 rounds of armor-piercing subcaliber projectiles
      Modernization from Paton-plus 30%
      Steel is not suitable (since 38KhN3MFA steel has a relatively low heat resistance). It was also found that a layer of high hardness strengthened by LTO was practically not resistant to powder erosion.
      but the difference is 3 times (excluding Paton) and not 6 (2A46M-5. not so widespread and I did not take into account 1000 shots, since the Ukrainians need to be compared with the original, since they had no production at all)
      1. +1
        27 July 2020 23: 05
        Quote: Cristall
        120mm smoothbore gun with a specially designed automatic loader located at the rear of the turret

        Oha, in a single copy they smoked something
        Quote: Cristall
        The average barrel life of the 2A46 gun was about 600 reduced shots

        Oha, 1200, would you like to?
        Quote: Cristall
        the survivability of the barrel of the KBA-3 tank gun (for the manufacture of which the structural improved alloy steel 38KhN3MFA was used) was up to 200 rounds

        What's below any baseboard ...
    16. +3
      27 July 2020 08: 34
      How, I wonder, will they develop it? Competence has been lost, cooperation has been torn apart, because in Soviet times, in Kharkov, a hell of a lot of tank components were received from all over the USSR. NATO cannon? So she goes to the tank complete with a hefty black loader, because there is no charger for her. Where will the blacks be taken? And if they do, where to plant? Since the time of the T-64, Soviet and, accordingly, Ukrainian tanks were designed for a crew of three, and, moreover, they tried not to take recruits of basketball growth into tankers. And the loader is the breaking of all templates.
    17. +5
      27 July 2020 08: 34
      Yes, Ukraine already has its own tank with a 120-mm cannon, this is the T-84-120 "Yatagan"


      They show him with enviable stubbornness every time at their parades ... and he has already noted, having broken down at one of the trainings.

      Honestly now I will not be surprised at anything, seeing with what scale the Ukrainians are trying to work with other countries in the design and production of various types of weapons, these are Belarus, Poland, Turkey, the USA, France, the Czech Republic ...
      So, time will tell what is true and what is "wishlist" in this statement
      1. -2
        27 July 2020 11: 11
        Quote: svp67
        Honestly now, I won't be surprised at anything, seeing with what scale Ukrainians are trying to work with other countries.
        When the Germans rolled plywood mock-ups of tanks at the Reichswehr exercises, many were then funny, but very soon they were not laughing. The Anglo-Saxons are methodically making anti-Russia out of Ukraine, a new "Wehrmacht", and there is little fun in it. In the video you can see a seven-wheel chassis and a stern niche at the Yatagan.
        The car is very similar to the Omsk "Black Eagle" (object 640).
        There was a strong school of tank building in Kharkov, it is foolish to underestimate its potential. As for our PR writers and hurray patriots, you can, of course, remember Voltaire - "What has become funny can no longer be dangerous", but there is also a continuation that what becomes dangerous will no longer be funny. The West wants to make new cannon fodder out of the "kaklov", and even if they only "bite" Russia, in a regional conflict, God only knows what this can result from, and this will definitely not be funny. It is necessary to take the threat seriously, our bourgeoisie would have dealt with their "Armats".
        1. +1
          27 July 2020 23: 11
          Quote: Per se.
          When the Germans rolled plywood mock-ups of tanks during the Reichswehr exercises, m

          Well compared, well, made fun! Ukraine with its half-dead factories, with a 7% drop in industrial production in 2019 alone, excluding all this virus, is compared with Germany, which had almost the most powerful industry in Europe at that time and which was fed to Czecho-Slovakia for free. which also had one of the best war industries in Europe then?
          And what you showed in the picture is not an analogue of the "black eagle", but a terribly ugly tank-infantry fighting vehicle, where for some reason they also stuck a compartment for the landing behind the tower. And then, having buried this venture, they pinned the stern niche, completely covering the exit from this compartment ...
          1. -1
            28 July 2020 07: 28
            Quote: Albert1988
            Well compared, well, laugh
            I did not compare Ukraine with the potential of the Third Reich, this time, well, but the devastation, so not everything is fine with us after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The difference is that Ukraine is not under sanctions, their claims to Donbass and Crimea are considered legal in the US and the EU, the Ukrainian army is being trained and re-equipped, and it is only a matter of time before they decide to restore "territorial integrity." This will support the West.

            You are having fun, but why is it that Russians are being killed in Donbas, that Crimea is without water and in the status of "temporarily occupied" for international law? Have you decided to teach life without even delving into the text of a comment addressed to another person? Where do you get it from, "that this is not an analogue of the "black eagle""? There was no question of this, there was a similarity, in particular in the solution with an automatic loader in the aft niche. In short, Eugene, I am also for Russia, but not everyone can jump to the same tambourine, there are different opinions, and one should not act as a "captain of the Obvious", make verdicts, as from the ultimate truth.

            And, finally, there is a threat to Russia, in any case, do not underestimate the Anglo-Saxons and their sixes. Good luck.
            1. 0
              28 July 2020 18: 24
              Quote: Per se.
              I did not compare Ukraine with the potential of the Third Reich,

              But they compared situations that are very different ...
              Quote: Per se.
              so not everything is fine with us after the collapse of the Soviet Union

              Of course, only the Ukrainian economy makes up about 7% of the Russian economy, according to the most inflated measurements, and in 2019 their industrial production fell by 7%, and this is without taking into account the coronavirus ...
              Quote: Per se.
              the difference is that Ukraine is not under sanctions

              Namely - Ukraine, blazed by any sanctions, is rolling into the abyss, and for us sanctions are unpleasant, but not fatal far away, we live, and the economy "torn to shreds" is even showing growth ...
              Quote: Per se.
              their claims to Donbass and Crimea are considered legal in the US and EU

              And who cares? The EU and the US even consider it ultra-super-quasi-hyper legal, BUT! As long as Russia is present in Crimea, all this is nothing more than wet fantasies ...
              Quote: Per se.
              the Ukrainian army is trained and re-equipped

              No, but are you serious ?! It is "trained" in such a way that for 6 years it has not made any progress, it has almost become worse, but "rearmed" on such a scale that now the Ukrainian "army" lacks almost all types of weapons, except for small arms ...
              Quote: Per se.
              and it's only a matter of time before they decide to restore "territorial integrity". This will support the West.

              It would be nice to decide quickly - the sooner they go to "restore territorial integrity", the sooner we will arrange "08.08.08" for them in version 2020 ...
              Secondly, the West will support them, wow, how it will support them! Maybe he'll even give a couple of old decommissioned litakas!
              Quote: Per se.
              You are having fun, but why is it that Russians are being killed in Donbass, that Crimea is without water and in the status of "temporarily occupied" for international law?

              Well, all in a bunch! Yes, Russians have been killed there for 6 years! Whose fault is it? That's right - only our leadership, which is very much afraid for their summer cottages on the Cote d'Azur, which either have been taken away or will soon be taken away ...
              Crimea without water? So this is again in the same place - who prevented the embankment on the dam in the spirit of democratizers? All the same...
              International law? And what about toilet paper, with which everyone wipes, say?
              Quote: Per se.
              We decided to teach life

              God forbid! I have someone to teach and what to teach))))
              Quote: Per se.
              Where do you get, "that this is no analogue of the" black eagle ""?

              Because I am a little familiar with the history of the "development" of modern Ukrainian canning and banking industry, which by some mistake was called tank building, because all the same old Soviet vehicles with minimal alterations are fighting in the field, and all these vaunted "bulats" have failed with a huge crash ...
              Quote: Per se.
              There was no question of this, there was a similarity, in particular in the solution with an automatic loader in the aft niche.

              What is there in the stern niche should not bother anyone at all - if not a complete model, then it exists in a strictly unique copy and it is not a fact that it still works ...
              Quote: Per se.
              And, finally, there is a threat to Russia, in any case, do not underestimate the Anglo-Saxons and their sixes. Good luck.

              No one is doing this, the only problem is what role and what future these same Anglo-Saxons have in store for Ukraine. And there, by all indications, it is clearly visible that, first of all, the industry needs to be buried so that Russia does not get it ...
              Quote: Per se.
              Oroche, Eugene, I am also for Russia, but not everyone can jump to one tambourine, there are different opinions

              I completely agree, but trying to present the modern, curving Ukraine as something serious is, I think, too much.
      2. 0
        27 July 2020 23: 07
        "Yatagan" has existed in a single copy for how many years?
        Quote: svp67
        Honestly now I will not be surprised at anything, seeing with what scale the Ukrainians are trying to work with other countries in the design and production of various types of weapons, these are Belarus, Poland, Turkey, the USA, France, the Czech Republic ...

        Basically, it all comes down to buying all sorts of junk, which is good if it is simply painted in Ukraine with a new color ...
        1. +1
          28 July 2020 05: 00
          Quote: Albert1988
          Basically, it all comes down to buying all sorts of junk, which is good if it is simply painted in Ukraine with a new color ...

          Sorry, but the new ATGM systems, Bogdan-MAZ trucks, UAVs, small arms, communication equipment clearly do not fall into this category
          1. +1
            28 July 2020 05: 18
            Well, why, not in the know about the latest trends with ATGM, but Bogdan and UAVs from the Ukrainian development only have paint.
            1. +1
              28 July 2020 05: 24
              Quote: Katanikotael
              Well, why, not in the know about the latest trends with ATGM, but Bogdan and UAVs from the Ukrainian development only have paint.

              Actually, I was talking about cooperation ... Yes, and they collect "Bogdans". And the ATGM, they created their own with the Belarusian "Peleng"
              1. 0
                28 July 2020 18: 26
                Quote: svp67
                Actually, I was talking about cooperation ... Yes, and they collect "Bogdans".

                And how many of these "bogdans" are going there?
                Quote: svp67
                And the ATGM, they created their own with the Belarusian "Peleng"

                The question is, how are these "own" ATGMs different from the old Soviet ones?
                Well, UAVs are generally bought from the same Turkey ...
                Or of the same quality as about the bearded ones in Syria.
                1. +1
                  28 July 2020 18: 38
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  And how many of these "bogdans" are going there?

                  It's hard to say ... it has been announced that it is possible to produce 500 vehicles per year, production began in 2018 ... that means somewhere in the range of 1000-1500 vehicles and all of them are only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  The question is, how are these "own" ATGMs different from the old Soviet ones?

                  Only by the fact that they are produced at factories in Ukraine ...
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2020 23: 06
                    Quote: svp67
                    It's hard to say ... it has been announced that it is possible to produce 500 vehicles per year, production began in 2018 ... that means somewhere in the range of 1000-1500 vehicles and all of them are only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                    Here's what is important - the car is assembled with screwdrivers in Ukraine, so ...
                    Quote: svp67
                    Only by the fact that they are produced at factories in Ukraine ...

                    That's right, and in the production of ammunition, Ukraine has abandoned Soviet GOST standards, that is, the quality of these missiles will be below any plinth ...
    18. +4
      27 July 2020 08: 36
      It looks like another wunderwaffle is wrestling, perhaps even cooler than a tank on a tractor, if not stolen in the process.
      Designers, the Soviet school, maybe there is still an industry capable of sculpting a tank, too, but for some reason the only thing that is new on hearing is the "hammer" mortar, which nails the servants for nothing, and an armored boat made of cardboard.
      And why then the tanks are collected all over Europe, and even their own in storage darkness, darkness.
      Upgrade! But something does not give dashing dancers.
      The "stronghold" in the NATO tank biathlon left a thin, smelly pile.
      1. +2
        27 July 2020 11: 28
        To have something of their own, they will have to restore the production of armored hulls for tanks and, in general, armored steel grades. Once upon a time there was an article on this topic here, this production in Mariupol was closed in 2009.
        Road wheels and dynamic protection were made in Donetsk.
      2. +1
        27 July 2020 22: 48
        The bulwark "in the NATO tank biathlon left a liquid, smelly pile.
        Where did you see the Strongholds there? Give me a link please. There were T-84s repaired, so to speak - on the knee.
        1. +1
          27 July 2020 23: 13
          Quote: silverura
          Where did you see the Strongholds there? Give me a link please. There were T-84s repaired, so to speak - on the knee.

          Well, it's just that local citizens began to officially extend the name "stronghold" to old T-84s, and the familiar "stronghold" (which was driven into Tai) is called "Stronghold-M-e-e"
    19. +2
      27 July 2020 09: 55
      Well, it means another wave of increase in communal apartments in the fall will be
    20. +2
      27 July 2020 10: 00
      I wonder who will create a new tank ... when the KMDB has only disabled and crippled people who cannot find a job ... or pre-retirees ... who have never shone with intelligence, but sit well on their balls. So what about the new tank you can just laugh ... and the new BMP ... this is still nonsense.
    21. +1
      27 July 2020 10: 05
      A tank in sketches, a fishing boat for a reconnaissance vessel, look like this, the Sumerians will get to the submarine. Make some kind of Nautilus out of a boat. The boat was called Zaporozhye, and the nautilus will be called Zaporozhets.
      1. +3
        27 July 2020 19: 10
        and get to the submarine. Make some Nautilus out of the boat

        The tanker "Delphi" has been on tests for six months laughing
        [img=|Как-то так...]https://news.liga.net/images/general/2020/07/24/thumbnail-sld-20200724140922-9118.jpg?v=1595593201[/img]

    22. +1
      27 July 2020 11: 11
      Whatever this country amuses itself with, the main thing is that more money is poured out for it
    23. +2
      27 July 2020 11: 12
      There is no point in discussing the new Ukrainian tank. It will never be.
      The Washington owner will not allow his own equipment, they will buy used equipment from the owner.
      The Ukrainian Navy is an example of the future of Ukrainian tank building. Having destroyed all the shipbuilding, they buy decommissioned American boats. The same will happen with tank building.
      Sche ne vmerla? so it will certainly die ...
    24. +1
      27 July 2020 11: 27
      Yeah, a tank, based on the old Tatra T3M tram car
    25. +1
      27 July 2020 11: 48
      Well, work may be underway, but it is unlikely to create a new tank.
    26. +2
      27 July 2020 12: 21
      In particular, they talked about the sketches of the Tirex tank. But to this day, Tirex's sketches have remained sketches on paper.


      And what, there was at least some version of the embodiment of this monster "in hardware"? There, after all, absolutely everything was the dreams of a "mother's tanker". The T-14 turned out to be so hefty (by the standards of the Soviet tank building school) because the entire crew sits in one row, and even in an armored capsule. And these clowns took the T-64 base. It's not even funny, but somehow pathetic, or something ...
    27. +1
      27 July 2020 13: 30
      I remember about five years ago it was said a lot that a stronghold tank was about to be put into production, even numbers were called about 250 vehicles. Now here are the tales of a hundred planes by 2035, and a new tank.
    28. +1
      27 July 2020 16: 05
      New tank! Again??!! And where did the old ones go, sir?
      1. 0
        27 July 2020 23: 15
        Quote: Fil743
        New tank! Again??!! And where did the old ones go, sir?

        Well, how where - who burned down in Donbass, who was sold to the "separatists" in the same Donbass ...
    29. +1
      28 July 2020 00: 19
      Rostik Abramov fellow from Krivoy Rog - "a brilliant designer", he is already 18 years old, probably already got a job at "Ukroboromprom" at the KhRRZ "chief designer".
      1. -1
        28 July 2020 14: 31
        There is no article, and no comments. tongue
        1. 0
          28 July 2020 23: 08
          Quote: fider
          There is no article, and no comments.

          Your comment, I look, especially none))))
    30. +1
      28 July 2020 22: 12
      And in the photo it brought him so dashingly? Interesting tower. With a niche, or what? Since nothing of this kind was produced there, is this NATO cosplay?
      1. 0
        28 July 2020 23: 08
        Quote: Arthur 85
        And in the photo it brought him so dashingly? Interesting tower. With a niche, or what? Since nothing of this kind was produced there, is this NATO cosplay?

        The picture shows the banal "Oplot-M" (tuned T-80 with a welded turret). And yes - there is a stern niche ala T-90M.
        1. +1
          28 July 2020 23: 21
          H'm. Did you saw off a piece of the tower at the back and weld a niche? It is possible, why not, but in American tanks, there is a loader, but in Soviet ones it is not ... And the niche makes sense for long BOPS ... I doubt that the Americans supplied them to the natives. And why then?
          1. +1
            28 July 2020 23: 23
            Quote: Arthur 85
            H'm. Did you saw off a piece of the tower at the back and weld a niche?

            No, they just sawed down a welded turret like the one on the brand new T-90M, but it turned out very crooked)))
            Quote: Arthur 85
            It is possible, why not, but in American tanks, there is a loader there, but in Soviet ones it is not ...

            There, the shells, like that of the same T-90M, are simply stored so that they do not carry it inside the case, loading is also through a carousel)
    31. +1
      29 July 2020 16: 15
      Yeah ... A cannon like an Abrams, a caterpillar like a Merkava, armor like a trash can, an engine like a Zaporozhets, electronics from aliexpress. You can't build it on paper. The "stronghold" cannot be finished ...

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