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Told about the project of the Teledroid robot, which will replace Fedor

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Told about the project of the Teledroid robot, which will replace Fedor

In the media there was information about what are the further plans for the operation of the robot, previously named "Fedor". Let's remind that last year "Fedor" went into space - on board the ISS.


In the interview RIA News Yevgeny Dudorov, executive director of the Android technology research and production association (Magnitogorsk), said that the Fedor robot will be used as a test sample for testing technologies that will be used for a new generation of Russian space robot-android.

In particular, in the conversation the name of the project being implemented by the NGO - "Teledroid" was mentioned. According to Evgeny Dudorov, Teledroid is a project to create a Russian robotic complex of an anthropomorphic type. This complex is planned to be used to carry out certain work on the surface of the International Space Station.

At the same time, it is reported that the robot "Fedor" for testing technology is being prepared to transfer to the main research institute of the corporation "Roscosmos".

Earlier it was reported that the start of the Teledroid assembly could take place this year.

For reference: FEDOR is a prototype robotic prototype with the callsign Skybot F-850. Considered the world's first robot astronaut stories... In 2016 Dmitry Rogozin presented a prototype of a robot as part of the Rescuer project. According to Rogozin, "an order has been given to create a robot to conquer space."
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  1. Karaul73
    Karaul73 27 July 2020 06: 03 New
    +5
    This is not a robot, but a manipulator that repeats the actions of the owner. Another drank money.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 27 July 2020 06: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Sentry73
      Another drank money

      And where about this in the article? Well, not a word ... give a link.
    2. ustas-oto
      ustas-oto 27 July 2020 06: 28 New
      0
      Offer to buy from the Chinese. Let me remind you that the Americans are planning to send astronauts (living) to Mars one way.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 27 July 2020 10: 07 New
        +2
        They do not plan, it was planned by one company that has gone bankrupt at the moment
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 27 July 2020 09: 39 New
      +3
      Another drank money.

      With you, as usual, in the morning. All sawed
  2. Dikson
    Dikson 27 July 2020 07: 42 New
    +1
    Why should he have legs in zero gravity? I understand that this is a difficult task, but it is more logical for a machine ON the hull of the ISS, even a nuclear submarine analogous to a spider or an octopus with several limbs? Grips, magnetic suction cups, various manipulators? After all, it is not necessary to manage all eight (say) them at once? Controlling two - left the station, controlling four in turn - walked along the building, got a foothold, took control of manipulators with tools - and you work .. If we are talking about a truly autonomous apparatus controlled by an astronaut ..
    1. Avior
      Avior 27 July 2020 08: 48 New
      -2
      The station has an external manipulator, which is supposed to bring the robot to the place of work outside the station, so that there is no need to independently move along the surface
      True, the authors of the manipulator have already said that this is not provided.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 27 July 2020 09: 29 New
        +4
        This is good, but it does not explain why the robot in space (on the ISS) needs legs .. They are not very necessary for astronauts .. - only for support during work .. (four hands would be more useful) ..))) It would be understandably, if the same "Fedor" is sent to the moon .. - let him walk ... - but even in this case, a wheeled or tracked chassis would be more reliable ..
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 27 July 2020 10: 22 New
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          By the way .. sounds blasphemous very .. - but imagine a detachment of legless cosmonauts .. Sports, physically strong people, for some reason, have lost their limbs. There are plenty of examples - skiers, paralympians, wheelchair riders ... And so. Imagine the savings - less weight, more space in the ship, different spacesuits ... A spaceship, unlike an airplane, is not controlled by feet .. And in zero gravity - what's the difference whether you have legs or not? But no one would dare to call these people disabled ..
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 July 2020 19: 37 New
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            Quote: Dikson
            And in zero gravity - what difference does it make if you have legs or not?

            About 30 years ago I read a fantastic story (I don't remember the name and the author, just not ours) in which the action took place on a space station several kilometers in size and its leader was a disabled person with paralyzed legs, who safely took root in space and was not going to return to Earth ...
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 27 July 2020 20: 06 New
              0
              Well, one of the greats I remember had a story about the flight of an astronaut in the atmosphere of Jupiter, not some kind of hang glider ... the astronaut was also on mechanical legs and with manipulators ..
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 27 July 2020 20: 15 New
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                Quote: Dikson
                there was a story about the flight of an astronaut in the atmosphere of Jupiter, not some kind of hang glider

                I have not read this story.
        2. snucerist
          snucerist 27 July 2020 11: 16 New
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          Rogozin himself will not explain why the robot needs legs in zero gravity. Most likely a miracle was thrown into orbit, originally designed for other purposes. For lack of anything else. How else to throw a show-off?
          And what is the bottom line? What is more - triumph or shame?
          Only the lazy one didn't make fun of Fedya.
    2. slipped
      slipped 27 July 2020 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Dikson
      Why should he have legs in zero gravity?


      Skybot F850, in common parlance Fedor - is an element of the experimental program "Tester". To speed up the program, when launching into space, so that he could get on an unmanned spacecraft flying according to the schedule - he flew with his legs, they were simply turned off for him.

      Quote: Dikson
      I understand that this is a most difficult task, but it is more logical for a machine ON the ISS hull, even a nuclear submarine analogous to a spider or an octopus with several limbs?


      Experiment "Teledroid" will include developments on the project "Kosmorobot"

  3. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 27 July 2020 07: 45 New
    -1
    that the robot "Fedor" for testing technologies is being prepared to be transferred to the main research institute of the corporation "Roscosmos"

    For the post of deputy. Rogozin. since FEDOR is ideally suited according to the criterion "and that his deputy ... less (was laconic)"
    1. slipped
      slipped 27 July 2020 10: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Polite Moose
      smaller (was laconic) "


      Fedor has a voice interface no worse than Alice's. You can even have a conversation with him.
  4. Avior
    Avior 27 July 2020 08: 43 New
    -1
    The Teledroid has been known for a long time.
    Will work both manually from the station itself and from the ground
    As far as one can understand, there is no independent regime.
    basically, a copying mode of operation will be used - it is not yet possible to make autonomous systems due to the high cost of the equipment of the International Space Station.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ru/amp/cosmos/robot-teledroid-budet-upravlyatsya-s-zemli/
    To move outside the station, the use of a standard manipulator of the station was declared, but there was already a response from the developers of the manipulator that this was not provided
    1. slipped
      slipped 27 July 2020 10: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      but there was already a response from the developers of the manipulator that this was not provided


      On the ISS RS, with the arrival of the MLM "Science" module, the ERA manipulator, created by ESA, will be deployed.
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 July 2020 10: 37 New
        -1
        As far as I understand, it was about him that was discussed
        1. slipped
          slipped 27 July 2020 10: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          As far as I understand, it was about him that was discussed


          The manipulator is a universal device for rigging.
          1. Avior
            Avior 27 July 2020 10: 41 New
            -1
            ... On the European manipulator ERA (European Robotic Arm), created for the Russian segment of the ISS, there are no special mounts for the Teledroid robot. This was reported by TASS with reference to the head of the permanent mission of the European Space Agency (ESA) in Russia, Rene Pischel.

            I understood, but I read about him as far as I remember
            The developers said that no robots can be attached to the manipulator and there are no mounts for this.
            1. slipped
              slipped 27 July 2020 10: 42 New
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              I understood, but I read about him as far as I remember
              The developers said that no robots can be attached to the manipulator and there are no mounts for this.


              To attach to the manipulator, it is enough to install the rigging unit on the teledroid. Check it out on Canadarme 2.
              1. Avior
                Avior 27 July 2020 10: 47 New
                -1
                I do not know, but they write that it is possible to mount it to the handrails, and not to the manipulator itself
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/iz.ru/export/google/amp/924299

                I will not argue, I think they will figure it out
                1. slipped
                  slipped 27 July 2020 10: 54 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Avior
                  I do not know, but they write that it is possible to mount it to the handrails, and not to the manipulator itself


                  Do you understand what you said? laughing The "handrails" are on the manipulator. Manipulator is a means for carrying goods. Nothing prevents the robot from being transported as a load.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 27 July 2020 11: 04 New
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                    I understood. And I recommend you to read the link
                    hi
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 27 July 2020 11: 06 New
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                      Quote: Avior
                      I understood. And I recommend you to read the link
                      hi


                      According to the link, Rene Pischel most likely meant a attachment for a manipulator of the Dextra type, which is what he says that he does not have one. Teledroid is an autonomous system. It can be carried like any other load with this manipulator.
  5. MMX
    MMX 27 July 2020 11: 00 New
    +1
    Why a humanoid robot. This is a functional limitation ...
    It is very similar to the development of budgetary funds.
    1. slipped
      slipped 27 July 2020 11: 17 New
      0
      Quote: MMX
      Why a humanoid robot.


      So that it can be comfortably controlled by a person through the interface. It can be either an astronaut at the station or an operator on Earth.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 27 July 2020 11: 31 New
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        ... Are you going to send Fedor to Mars? ))
        1. slipped
          slipped 27 July 2020 11: 35 New
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          Quote: Dikson
          ... Are you going to send Fedor to Mars? ))


          The teleoperator control mode is the simplest and most pragmatic solution for on-planet systems that require human participation. At the same time, for the person himself, it is absolutely safe. Let's remember the Lunokhod - it was controlled on the Moon by a crew on Earth.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 27 July 2020 11: 37 New
            0
            So this is what we are talking about ... the question from the time of the lunar rovers is the signal delay .. Why build a city on the same moon, when you can carry out the entire research program from a ship in orbit?
            1. slipped
              slipped 27 July 2020 11: 40 New
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              Quote: Dikson
              So that's what we're talking about ... a question from the days of the lunar rovers - signal delay ..


              at that time it was relevant, now it is not. Systems can have AI elements that allow a person to make a decision in a difficult situation.

              Quote: Dikson
              Why build a city on the same moon when the entire research program can be carried out from a ship in orbit?


              The non-planetary base can be either fully automatic or visited.
    2. DominickS
      DominickS 29 July 2020 05: 30 New
      0
      Rogozin's little sharazh does not do anything else.
  6. ont65
    ont65 27 July 2020 11: 15 New
    0
    Neuroprocessor systems are programmed with variants of examples of actions for an event. What is easier if the sensors are directly on the human programmer, and the manipulator repeats the human design? Anthropomorphism in this case is not a whim. And so - an intelligent manipulator for work where the presence of a person is undesirable. This can be the assembly of equipment in especially clean rooms and much more. Recently, a lot of interesting things have been shown to 'partners'. Well, at the same time, and of course it falls out to us.