Estonia receives the first batch of American LMT automatic rifles

Estonia received the first batch of automatic rifles produced by the American company Lewis Machine & Tool Company (LMT), which received the official Estonian designation R20 Rahe. This is reported by the Ministry of National Defense of the republic.

On July 22 this year, at the military training ground in Männiku, an official presentation of the received rifles took place with the participation of the commander of the Estonian Defense Forces, Major General Martin Herem. The first batch included 1250 standard R20 Rahe automatic rifles, 250 TA-R20 sniper rifles and 70 40mm M203 grenade launchers.

The R20 Rahe standard rifle is an LMT MLCPS rifle chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45mm, and the TA-R20 is an LMT CQBMWS rifle chambered for NATO 7,62 x 51mm. The first to receive the new rifles will be the Scoutspataljon of the 1st Infantry Brigade of the Estonian Army, stationed in Tapa (now armed with Israeli Galil, received back in the early 90s). The 1st and 2nd Infantry Brigades will then be fully equipped with rifles. Armament is provided with new weapons units of "Kaisteilita" (people's militia), police, border guards and units of the Estonian Ministry of Justice.

The Estonian Defense Ministry signed a contract with the American company Lewis Machine & Tool Company (LMT) last summer. Under the agreement, the Estonian army will receive 16 automatic rifles in 5,56 and 7,62 mm calibers within two years. The cost of the contract is $ 75 million.

It should be noted that currently in the Estonian army there are very different small arms in service: Israeli automatic rifles Galil and Negev light machine guns chambered for 5,56 x 45 mm, obtained from Norway and Germany from the presence of automatic rifles chambered for 7,62х51 mm GXNXXX3 and G3XXXXXXUMX and G3XXXXX from Sweden - Ak 4 (same G4). There are a number of new German 3-mm automatic rifles G5,56 and MGGNUMX light machine guns.

Automatic rifles MLCPS (chambered for NATO 5,56 x 45 mm) and CQBMWS (chambered for NATO 7,62 x 51 mm) are variations of the widely used Stoner AR family, but with a patented upper receiver made of a single monolithic structure aluminum, which provides its increased rigidity.

Comments

[Observer2014]

Estonia receives the first batch of American LMT automatic rifles

Nice update. "Forest Brothers" damn if anything. Well, go through such garbage in the "trenches" In general, Well done. Not AK 15 they are in fact armed to take that.

[Mouse]

Armed to the teeth ...
And they have not ceased to be afraid ... tremble further ... more clearly!

[A good one]

Usually when they are captured, they say: we live in the farthest kva-kva quarter.

[Mouse]

the farthest kva-kva quarter.

Aha ... in the back of Europe ...
And the place is proper and the existence is appropriate ...

[A good one]

In frogs, it is called a cloaca.

[Mouse]

Sewerage ...
Keyword- lization ....

[parusnik]

ABOUT! Finally, news from another ward, otherwise all from the sixth ...

[Mouse]

The chambers are adjacent ... tapping ...

[A good one]

Familiar, dot-dash Or maybe on paper.

[Mouse]

Paper carrier?
Toilet paper ????

[A good one]

Well, what you, any practitioner will tell you that it is easier to put a full stop on this medium, the dash And what a dispatch consisting of only dots.

[Mouse]

any practitioner will tell you that it is easier to put a full stop on this medium, the dash

So I understand that every first person will cope with this carrier ...

[Igoresha]

the butt is flimsy, the Russian paratroopers break bricks on their heads and here is plastic

[Charik]

well, now they can defend themselves from the evil Russians, each soldier has a rifle

[vitinka]

75.000.000: 16000 = 4687 $ for 1 piece. Is this nom? Wash 3-fold cut. 18000 red price.

[vitinka]

1800 Sorru Oshybsya

[Incvizitor]

Cannon fodder is armed at the same time on the cut of the dough will be raised.

[Poetry]

It remains to buy a little fighting spirit and courage.

[zwlad]

Good old lady AR-15. And what did they not like galil. Or is it just the development of American loans?

[vahpus]

Quote: zwlad

And what did they not like galil.

Probably the same as the Jews. Which Galil was replaced by M16.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

For the Israelis, it seems, the main reason was that the United States flooded them with old cheap M16s after the Six Day War, providing (imposing) military assistance.

[vahpus]

No, Israel finally abandoned Galilov relatively recently. A few years ago.
An unsuitable design for military weapons, rooted in the design of the AK. Which is so praised by would-be patriots.
The Jews could not bring it to mind. Probably because it is impossible in principle.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

The main reason for the lack of desire to bring "Galil" is precisely the cheap M16 from the United States, the Israelis hastened to curtail its production. Subsequently, they modified the Galila bolt group for the Tavor rifle, taking as a basis a massive bolt carrier with a long gas piston stroke and a rotary bolt cylinder from the M16 with locking on the barrel lugs

[vahpus]

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

The main reason for the lack of desire to bring "Galil" is precisely the cheap M16 from the USA,

No, the country's security is not built on imports. They always hold on to their own with the last bit of strength. Refusing it only when there is no other way out.

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

Subsequently, they modified the Galila bolt group for the Tavor rifle, taking as a basis a massive bolt carrier with a long gas piston stroke and a rotary bolt cylinder from the M16 with locking on the barrel lugs

You see.
Tavor is made according to the bullpup scheme. And according to the main belief now prevailing (such trends in the world), weapons made according to this scheme are "show-off". And he has no future. At least the practice developed on this topic is like that.
Besides, as far as I know, Tavors are very expensive.
But this is not important.
Why the Jews settled on the bullpup scheme is understandable even for a horse - they could not make a normal, balanced mechanism (there is no school of shooting design). Therefore, all the way they received poor accuracy of fire.
There are 3 remedies for this:
1. Make a normal mechanism. They could not, there were no competent (super literate in fact) designers.
2. Reduce the power of the cartridge. This was done in the USSR with an AK-74 and a 5,45x39 mm cartridge, but instead of an army rifle, you only get an assault rifle. Those. product one class lower. The USSR went for it out of despair. But Israel has other options.
3. Strengthen the grip of the weapon, i.e. go to the bullpup scheme. Accuracy will be OK, but on this diagram, nothing good has really been done so far. How good at one time was (I would even say, fabulously good) the British EM-2 on the .280 British cartridge (it was also made according to the bullpup scheme to curb recoil). But he also had to be abandoned.
It seems that the same fate awaits Tavor in the future. Although, who knows, miracles happen.

[voyaka uh]

"So they got poor accuracy all the way." ///
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The Tavor has a barrel and a picatinny rail with optics - a single factory part.
The accuracy is exceptional. In the appearance of Tavor, the number of cartridges per
one defeat was reduced several times.

[Doliva63]

Quote: voyaka uh

"So they got poor accuracy all the way." ///
-----
The Tavor has a barrel and a picatinny rail with optics - a single factory part.
The accuracy is exceptional. In the appearance of Tavor, the number of cartridges per
one defeat was reduced several times.

That is, from the first shot, defeat is generally out of the question, or what?

[voyaka uh]

It is calculated on average in combat.
For example, a typical skirmish with fighters of my time (90s).
M-16 without optics.
“Three militants were killed. Each of the 10 soldiers used up two or three stores.
There are no losses from our side. "
Rough estimate: Only 750 rounds have been used up.
250 rounds for one killed.
With the advent of optics, cartridge consumption has decreased. With Tavor - it was reduced even more.

[vahpus]

Quote: voyaka uh

For example, a typical skirmish with fighters of my time (90s).

This is not a war, this is a special operation.
Wars, they are different.
However, the Israeli army is not threatened with participation in wars.

[voyaka uh]

There were two wars (67 and 73), with thousands of tanks, art,
everything as it should be.
But I was involved in minor skirmishes. The rich they are, the more happy they are.

[vahpus]

Quote: voyaka uh

There were two wars (years 67 and 73)

No no.
These are not wars. This is so, minor local conflicts.
Israel cannot pull the war. This is on the one hand.
On the other hand, he has no one to fight there. There is no enemy.

[vahpus]

Quote: voyaka uh

Exceptional precision

Accuracy and accuracy of fire are different TT indicators.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

About what

No, the country's security is not built on imports.

in the case of Israel of that period, I disagree with you, after the Six-Day War, the United States actually forcibly credited Israel to buy its weapons, including M16A1 rifles (Vietnamese reserves) at cost, then the United States buried many Israeli developments with its "help". And the British from the EM-2 adopted in 1951 under the name "automatic 7-mm rifle, No. 9 Mk1" (Automatic Rifle, caliber .280, No. 9 Mk1) chambered for .280 British (.280 Mk1Z) also had to be abandoned because of the United States, which pushed its experienced 7,62x51 mm T-65 for acceptance as a single NATO cartridge, under which the EM-2 could not be converted

[vahpus]

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

then the United States buried many Israeli developments with their "help"

Do not make me laugh. I have not heard anything about the great shooting power Israel.
And I heard about the United States.

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

also had to be abandoned due to the United States, which pushed its experienced 7,62x51 mm T-65 for adoption as a single NATO cartridge, under which the EM-2 could not be converted

You don't seem to understand what EM-2 was. It had nothing to do with the 7,62x51 mm NATO cartridge and could not be altered for it. Those. there was nothing in common between these objects at all.
And about "pushing the USA" is also nonsense.
The British showed their class and made the best of the newfangled post-war problems on the intermediate cartridge. Against their EM-2, both the AK-47 and the Czech Vz.52 and all other inventions on this score looked ridiculous.
The only Achilles heel of the EM-2 was the bullpup scheme, which was too complex. But everything else there was excellent.
And then the Americans pulled out of their sleeve the post-war cartridge .45 ACP + P and the new Thompson on this cartridge. Then the British admitted defeat.
Thompson on the .45 ACP + P cartridge was better than any Kalash and other post-war newfangled crap, including the EM-2.
Later, after saturating the armies of the world with armor, Thompson was replaced by the M16A1. And then the M16A2 changed both the M16A1 and the M14.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

But from here in more detail, about the post-war cartridge .45 ACP + P and the new Thompson for it, and most importantly, do not forget about the photos, do not even try to argue without them, since you have now decided to refute the entire world history of weapons. And the only Achilles' heel of the EM-2 was not the bullpup scheme, but the lack of a safety margin of the structure and, as a consequence of the impossibility of converting it to the American 7,62x51 mm T-65 cartridge, as a result, the Belgian FN-FAL became the standard NATO rifle, adopted on armament of NATO countries, the United States, having scored on an agreement according to which they had to adopt the FN-FAL in response to the adoption of their cartridge as a NATO standard, adopted the M-14 rifle

[vahpus]

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

don't even try to argue without them

I may not argue at all.
And the post-war Thompson outwardly did not differ from the wartime Thomson. Only some details were different, stronger. Inside.

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

and the lack of a safety margin of the structure and, as a consequence of the impossibility of converting to the American cartridge 7,62x51 mm T-65

Lord, what nonsense. Do you even understand what a 7,62x51 mm NATO cartridge is and what an EM-2 is?
Obviously not.

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

adopted the M-14 rifle

You probably don't know, but the army is armed with different types of weapons. And not just one kind.
In addition to the M14, after the war, the US Army was armed with a .45 ACP + P cartridge. It's a Colt pistol and a Thompson PP.
These are different types of non-intersecting weapons. And the EM-2 did not compete with the M14 or FN-FAL, but with the Thompson PP.

[voyaka uh]

I served with both Galil and M-16.
Galil had no misfires. Folding stock. There were legs that
also nippers.
But the accuracy of the M-16 is much higher. It is lighter.
There were misfires, in which you need to distort the bolt and shoot further.
Too long - uncomfortable in a trench, in a car.
In general, I am for M-16.

[Doliva63]

Quote: voyaka uh

I served with both Galil and M-16.
Galil had no misfires. Folding stock. There were legs that
also nippers.
But the accuracy of the M-16 is much higher. It is lighter.
There were misfires, in which you need to distort the bolt and shoot further.
Too long - uncomfortable in a trench, in a car.
In general, I am for M-16.

M-4 is not the same M-16 only shorter?

[voyaka uh]

M-4 it is shorter, a carbine. To maintain the accuracy of the M-16, the M-4 was made
steeper barrel cuts, while increasing the thickness
barrel (overheating). The recoil has slightly increased (the M-16 does not have it at all).

[vahpus]

Quote: voyaka uh

at the same time it was necessary to increase the thickness
barrel (overheating)

The barrel is shorter, the heat sink is worse.
But that doesn't help, the M4 is not an SMG like the M16. Those. not automatic. The rate of fire is lower, it is AR (automatic rifle). More precisely, an automatic carbine. Not an automatic machine.

[voyaka uh]

Certainly not a machine gun.
Why recklessly fire bursts like militants?
A soldier of the regular army is taught to shoot long and hard
sighting single. From different distances, day and night.
Hundreds of live rounds every day. But in battle it is easy:
and time is saved and ammo.

[vahpus]

Quote: voyaka uh

A soldier of the regular army is taught to shoot long and hard
sighting single. From different distances, day and night.

Main fire from M16, automatic. This is how it was conceived and constructed.
The same goes for the M4.
And even Galilov this also applies, but only at close distances (constructive feature).
That is why the weapon and the automatic one to use this opportunity. And if you need to save money, then self-loading weapons are enough. It is both structurally simpler and cheaper.

[Zeev zeev]

The Israeli infantry began to move to the M-16 in 1993. Galil was abandoned in Israel in 2006.

[Dmitry Makarov]

The Americans presented ISIL with weapons worth several $ Billions, everything burned down under high-precision attacks of the Russian Aerospace Forces, tens of thousands of barrels and thousands of tons of ammunition were seized by the Syrians.
And ISIS are not pampered Latvians for you, they eat the raw meat of their enemies, and wipe their anus with stones-
while, an American or an Estonian, without life insurance and a roll of wet wipes, will not go into battle.

[Gar]

This update will not make the Estonian army stronger. They will buy everything that the owner offers, it is necessary to replenish the American budget.

[Victorio]

Quote: Gar

This update will not make the Estonian army stronger. They will buy everything that the owner offers, it is necessary to replenish the American budget.

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that's for sure, but there will be more self-confidence and show-off