Italian light fighter M-346FA made its first flight

The new promising Italian light fighter M-346FA (Fighter Attack), developed on the basis of the M-346 trainer, made its first flight. According to the Leonardo concern, the tests were recognized as completely successful.

The press service of Leonardo said that flight tests of the aircraft began on 13 July. Deliveries of the new flight fighter are scheduled to begin in 2021.

The M-346FA retained the glider and basic flight characteristics of the M-346 trainer. The fighter also retained the air refueling system and avionics. The aircraft is equipped with a multi-mode Grifo radar with AFAR, an electronic warfare system, a reconnaissance module, as well as seven points for installing weapons: two on the wingtips, two under the left and right wing consoles and one under the fuselage. The declared mass of weapons is 2 tons.

The developers call the M-346FA an ideal solution for countries that need low-cost combat aircraft with low operating costs.

Earlier, the company announced that a light fighter and attack aircraft would be developed on the basis of the training M-346.

The M-346 trainer aircraft was designed by the Russian JSC "Experimental Design Bureau named after AS Yakovleva ”jointly with the Italian company L'Alenia Aermacchi. Due to disagreements between the partners, the development of the model was stopped at the final stage, and each of the companies received documentation for the basic version of the future aircraft (airframe). After that, both companies released their own models: M-346 (L'Alenia Aermacchi) and Yak-130 (Yakovlev Design Bureau). The first flight of the M-346 took place on July 15, 2004, and its serial production began in 2010. Today the vehicle is used for pilot training in Italy, Singapore, Israel and Poland.

The length of the M-346 is 11,5 m, the wingspan is 9,7 m.The mass of an empty aircraft is 4,6 tons, the maximum take-off weight is 9,5 tons. The machine is capable of speeds up to 1060 km / h and climbs up to 13,7 km. The M-346 crew consists of two people.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

130 yak has a combat load of 3 tons. Does he have a locator? Surprising, of course ... an attack aircraft from the Second World War took 0.6 tons of bombs with an overload, and here such a "birdie" - 3 tons! Well, Italian - 2.

[Grazdanin]

The aircraft is equipped with a multi-mode Grifo radar with AFAR, an electronic warfare system, a reconnaissance module, as well as seven points for installing weapons

[Mountain shooter]

I mean Yak, everything is clear about the Italian ...

[Grazdanin]

The nose of the fuselage has changed noticeably: its cross-section has become more rounded, which suggests the possibility of installing a radar (such as "Osa" or "Kopier") or an optical-locating station - depending on the requirements of various customers.

They hardly put it on training machines.

[mmaxx]

There is no locator there. And the places in the cone are minuscule. That is, either the locator is small with little capabilities, or another cone and all the ensuing consequences.

[Shurik70]

"Light" - means low combat load and low cost.
An expensive powerful radar will not fit there - neither in price nor in weight.

[alexmach]

Italian plane, there is nothing on the Yak-e

[hydrox]

Which is a shame: after all, it is quite obvious that the "parents" of this car are of Russian origin: the glider, the engine - everything is in order and everything is in place, but as before the avionics - a complete ambit!

[Wedmak]

Surprising, of course ...

The engines did their job. Put modern dviguns on the plane of those years (yes, the Frankenstein will certainly work out), they will also raise it decently.

[Zaurbek]

For example, TVD 1000-2000 hp ....

[loki565]

Subsonic fighter, well. A combat training, like a light attack aircraft, it will still come down, but it does not pull at a fighter.

[mvg]

130 yak has a combat load of 3 tons

Lord, do you really think so? Or do you want to draw a comment? The aircraft was equipped with a radar station with AFAR, electronic warfare, added suspension, modern avionics .. Yak-130, it will NEVER receive it. Because the RF does not have it. Is it that difficult? Aerobatics?

[Dreamboat]

Quote: mvg

130 yak has a combat load of 3 tons

Lord, do you really think so? Or do you want to draw a comment? The aircraft was equipped with a radar station with AFAR, electronic warfare, added suspension, modern avionics .. Yak-130, it will NEVER receive it. Because the RF does not have it. Is it that difficult? Aerobatics?

the Russian Federation has SU-35S, SU-30SM, SU-34, MiG-35 .... why turn a flying desk into a fighter ?! It is only the impoverished countries of Africa and Ukraine that such "fighters" will do.

[sg7s]

Supported! Preparing pilots! (in my time, pilots were different from pilots). Yaki - excellent machines for training (I used it myself, I know, 18,50,52,40,42) How to destroy the Yak-130 - about nothing.

[outsider]

- For training in combat use and transform ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: mvg

Radar with AFAR, electronic warfare, added suspension, modern avionics .. Yak-130, will NEVER get it. Because the RF does not have it. Is it that difficult? Aerobatics?

Maybe because it makes no sense to do it. For example, why do we need a light attack aircraft now? Even a fighter of the MiG-29SMT type is not an enemy.
For wars of low intensity and other fuss for another 15-20 years, the Su-25 will be enough. And then we'll see.
In a big war, such an attack aircraft, to put it mildly, is not needed.

[EvilLion]

The Russian Federation has Su-35 and Su-57, the Russian Federation does not need either defective planes or those who masturbate on them.

[venik]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

130 yak has a combat load of 3 tons. Does he have a locator?

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The locator is definitely NO! Therefore, the combat load is higher. By the way, the combat training Aermacchi M-346 also does not have a radar, and the load is the same as in the Yak. In general, all performance characteristics are almost identical.

[Grazdanin]

There are no questions about a training machine. Double, subsonic, 2 tons of weapons, it will only compete with something like Super Tucano. Although in Africa and South America it can find buyers.

[mvg]

Although in Africa and South America it can find buyers.

The price tag will be around 25 million, what kind of competitor is Tucano? Chasing business jets with drugs, the speed will not allow

[Avior]

He is, of course, a fighter-attack, that is, a fighter-attack aircraft by name, but according to its characteristics, it is still rather a light attack aircraft, as a subsonic fighter is not very popular now.

A total of seven pylon stations are provided that are capable of mounting weaponry, including Iris-T and AIM-9L air-to-air missiles, rocket launchers, small diameter bomb (SDB), 500lb GBU-38 joint direct attack munitions (JDAM ), 1,000lb GBU-32 JDAM, 500lb Lizard 2 laser-guided bomb (LGB), 500lb Lizard 4 GPS / LGB, GBU-12/16 (500lb / 1,000lb) Paveway II LGB, 500lb GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II GPS / LGB, 500lb MK.82HD Snakeye and 1,000lb MK.83 general-purpose bombs.

His explosive missiles are clearly more for self-defense in the BVB, which is typical of an attack aircraft.
It is not clear why the word fighter got into the title.
The Chinese are making at least a supersonic version.

[mmaxx]

The Chinese supersonic version is a big mystery. Even if you shove powerful engines (where !?). Did you attach a prechamber to the engine? Aerodynamics and controls at the Yak are 100% subsonic. Either it's a bluff, or they accelerate the plane in a straight line and that's it. Then wait until the speed itself loses. And even then ... The air intakes are also subsonic.
That is, for supersonic, the plane had to be greatly altered. But the eyes cannot see it in the pictures.

[Avior]

AI-222-25F engines with afterburners.
The plane itself is not quite a copy of the Yak-130, but it was designed on its basis.

The development of the L-15 supersonic combat training aircraft began in the early 2000s. jointly with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau and the Ukrainian ZMKB "Progress".

[mmaxx]

The prechamber on the engine is understandable. The Chinese asked, the Ukrainians added. Any whim .... But the rest is generally incomprehensible.
The main one is the wing. The Yak-130 has a typical subsonic wing. Thickness, profile, slats, flaps, ailerons. This ALL needs to be redone. The wing thickness is substantially more than that of the Su-30. And the profile is different. But here I am not an expert on profiles. One thing is clear: with such a thickness, it is not up to supersonic. Such a wing at supersonic will not let you fly normally. You can probably overclock. But what to do then? And the whole plane hangs on the wing. There is a center section by design - you can't beat it.
The air intake on the Yak-130 is very complicated. Technically and technologically. The plane is small. Engine 2. Channels are complex. Now, on almost the same engine, but at a different speed, will we put on the old air intake? Which has nothing at all for supersonic flow? The Chinese had to redo it. Not seen in the photo. Although I saw a photo of the Chinese for a long time. But he saw nothing fundamentally different from what was on the Yak-130. Maybe there is a little Chinese sitting inside and working with the body of the air intake to organize supersonic jumps?
Well, and the plumage. Unfortunately, aircraft descriptions ignore such details. Everyone is interested in weapons, avionics, etc. and so on, all sorts of nishtyaki. Real technique is boring. Maybe now there are supersonic aircraft with traditional tail. This is when the entire plumage deviates. In general, ordinary planes are all like that. But at supersonic there are problems with controllability with the help of ailerons. The flow bends the wing and the ailerons become ineffective until they reverse. Therefore, they use differentially deflected tail, well, and flaperons, which are not on the Yak as unnecessary. That is, each plane of the tail rotates independently of the other. On the Yak-130 only together. There is a common axis. And one hydraulic cylinder. Have the Chinese altered the plumage? But there in the fuselage there is not even room for the axles of stabilizers and mechanisms. There mm 300 for everything about everything. Sushki, Migi, American and European planes all have such a good thickness in the tail. Pilots should be asked about the differences from such things. Maybe they'll correct me. I don’t know about old airplanes. It is difficult to see such things from pictures.
And the last is operational overload. The Yak is not designed for supersonic aircraft loads. And there is no way to strengthen it. It is necessary to make a new plane.
In general, everything is not clear. Most likely, you can give afterburner in direct flight, slightly overcome the sound barrier and not touch anything. God forbid change course or pitch.
These are my guesses.
Again, afterburner runs out of fuel quickly. Moreover, with such aerodynamics.
If there are other considerations, thank you. This Chinese plane has long been incomprehensible to me.

[Avior]

I don't understand what the discussion is about. The plane under supersonic design was designed by the Yakovlev Design Bureau, not the Chinese.
I think they, like Progress, understand such things.
The engine was originally made versions with afterburners and thrust vector control, perhaps the plans were different from the very beginning.
UHT did not go anywhere, and the afterburner version was used.
The Chinese made equipment, glass cockpits, and more.
The Chinese also offer the plane for external sale.
And guesswork is vague.

[Liam]

And what supersonic Yakovlev planes do you know?

[outsider]

- Yak-28 ... Yak-141 ...

[sg7s]

In great detail, but why accentuate the thickness of the MAR on the TRAINING plane? 130th - training, replacement of L-29 (39). All yaks for training are ideal (believe the chief, please), although I don't climb into military aviation, not mine. (The raid is great, the experience is huge, but what a wicked one!)

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

supersonic version

The M-346 was also tested at supersonic. Only supersonic for this niche of aircraft is an unnecessary option. It only leads to an increase in the cost of the project without achieving any special advantages

[Avior]

Yes, they write about the Italian

it is capable of transonic flight without using an afterburner

Full-fledged Noki
M = 1.4.
And applicability is to be considered for specific cases.
This is, in fact, a modern version of the F-5

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

write

December 18, 2008 test pilot
Quirino Bucci-Mach 1,15 (1 km / h).
Supersonic for TCB / Light attack aircraft is a completely redundant option. Even "classic" supersonic information security systems fly and fight at subsonic 90% of the time. And TCB does not need it all the more. But supersonic is completely different requirements for the airframe, different engines, more fuel, less radius. And a couple of times the price, respectively. These things will completely gobble up those couple of tons of payload that are.
So the Chinese can tell any stories about their supersonic trainer, but in these dimensions and in this price range it is impossible

[Avior]

the speed shown on tests and actually permissible during aircraft operation are not the same thing.
The operational maximum for the Italian is noticeably lower.
Supersonic from the Chinese is not an artifice of the local Chinese cooperative, but completely factory-made, by no means Chinese developments, both in terms of the engine and the aircraft, I don't understand what confuses you in the declared characteristics. This is a real-life aircraft with very real characteristics. In fact, it was made by the Yakovlev Design Bureau and Ivchenko-Progress.
In general, of course, supersonic for an attack aircraft is redundant, but depending on the area of ​​application it may well be of significant importance.
For example, if in a combat area air defense is represented by short-range systems, or even a barrel MZA or MANPADS at best, then afterburner supersonic will greatly simplify the task of quickly leaving the air defense zone after striking, for example.
It will also come in handy in the case of using light attack aircraft against helicopters, for example, it will allow you to quickly reach the area.

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

confused in the declared characteristics

The 1,4 Mach of the Chinese is from the same series as the 1,2 Italians. Achieved only for a short period of time, only at high altitude, most likely in a dive, with an "empty" aircraft with a minimum of fuel and without an external "body kit". , which has no real relation to the heights and speeds for which this aircraft was created. Therefore, runaways from MANPADS, etc., are more from the field of hypothesis. There are no real tangible advantages of 1300 km / h compared to 1100 km / h for this aircraft. disadvantages in terms of cost, design complications and loss of combat load for the sake of ephemeral supersonic are quite real

[Bad_gr]

Pay attention to the size of the Yak-130 and Hongdu L-15 engines

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[hydrox]

You are right :: hypertrophied to the point of disgrace - that's just a question: does it have some kind of intention, gives some tactical advantages, or super-duper maneuverability ...
In general, what is the conversation about ??
We made ourselves a good high-quality school desk for the primary education of a cadet (not a pilot at all!). Why the hell did it take someone from a desk to make a spaceship for flight at least in near space?
He's a pedal !!!.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hydrox

Why the hell did it take someone from a desk to make a spaceship

And the Chinese have it. There was information that when upgrading the fighters purchased from us, they installed their more powerful computers. The question is, if a native computer copes with its tasks quite normally, why change it to a sophisticated one, but for the same tasks?

[outsider]

- It means that it cannot cope if you put the best avionics.

[hydrox]

For the Ketai, this does not mean anything: they just need to squeeze MAX performance characteristics out of imported products in order to show the superiority of Ketai technologies, but our superiority does not lie on this side: after all, they have not achieved superiority in the assigned engine resources, although they are fighting for this already thirty years at least.

[outsider]

Chinese progress in engine technology is taking leaps and bounds. In terms of resource, they will catch up with Russian engines in the next 5 years.
Then they will catch up with the American ...

[hydrox]

You do not have a question: why are the Ketays all their life catching up with someone, stealing something from someone, copying something. And why is it that, with so many people, they do not have scientific schools, there are no stable teams with their own results?
There is nothing to be proud of, and in what would the Ketayans be the first?
Unless in the invention of gunpowder ... after all, there is no science there either - a simple sorting of options for the proportions of components.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Outsider

- It means that it cannot cope if you put the best avionics.

In our Air Force, aircraft with these computers cope with the tasks (otherwise there would be a lot of complaints), in the Indian Air Force they cope (and even win in the exercises with the Americans), but in China they suddenly stopped coping?
I am not an expert in this area, but I have not heard that the Chinese avionics would be famous in the world and at least someone could compete.
If I am mistaken, correct.

[outsider]

- Easy: in China, even small J-10Bs are equipped with AFAR radars. Naturally, to control them, completely different computers are required ... In China, electronic-optical systems of the American level are installed on airplanes.
Your ideas no longer correspond to reality ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Outsider

- Easy: in China, even small J-10Bs are equipped with AFAR radars.

If their avionics are better, then why do they buy planes from us with full equipment? They would buy only a housing with motors and mechanics, and put their own electronics, and save a lot of money.

[outsider]

- The Chinese have long overtaken Russia in terms of avionics and the reason is quite simple - in Chengdu, for example, there are several branches of the largest Israeli radio electronics firms, their specialists are "opening doors with their feet" to the Chinese there. So, the Chinese had serial radars with AFAR, and EOTS at the level of American and RTR stations, etc.

[Avior]

The 1,4 Mach of the Chinese is from the same series as the 1,2 Italians. Achieved only for a short period of time, most likely in a dive, with an "empty" aircraft with a minimum of fuel and without an external "body kit".

no need to look for a black cat in a dark room.
Everything is as easy as shelling pears.
There is an AI-222-25 engine developed by KB Progress with a thrust of 2500 kgf.
It is installed on the Yak-130, which has a maximum speed of 1050 km / h.
There is a fringe version of this AI-222-25F engine with an afterburner thrust of 4200 kgf.
It is installed on the Chinese L-15, which is specially designed for this engine by the Yakovlev Design Bureau based on the I-130, and has a maximum speed of 1480 km / h at afterburner, the explanation for this is obvious and no "Chinese explanations" are needed, all explanations are obvious.
Italians use the engine
Honeywell F124-GA-200 with a thrust of 2850 kgf, so its speed is also obvious.
No violation of the laws of physics.
There is also an afterburner version of this engine, called the F125, but it is not used on the M-346.

[sg7s]

How can you compare the characteristics of aircraft for different purposes ?? To teach the boys to SEE? Watch and predict? In a car while driving, see from behind, in dead zones, rebuildings (by analogy) ?? What does speed, suspension and so on LABUDA have to do with it? Forgiving mistakes, the ability to correct them, aerobatics in a more reliable way ... Yes, damn it, have you ever taught snotty ones? not ? Then - shut up (sorry for my Portuguese ...)

[hydrox]

Throw it away :: little girl, you're not worth the deal ...

[mmaxx]

The Chinese will write how you check?

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

His explosive missiles are clearly more for self-defense in the BVB, which is typical of an attack aircraft.
It is not clear why the word fighter got into the title

If you have noticed from the latest events in Syria / Libya, shooting down even a small tactical UAV using an air defense system is quite an expensive pleasure. And unsafe for the air defense system itself. But against such a light fighter, the UAV is practically defenseless

[Avior]

and there
Even against Super Tucano, most likely.
And helicopters will have problems from him
Perhaps we will still see demand for light, cheap and easy-to-operate aircraft against UAVs.
but, in my opinion, the name fighter is still stretched here

[donavi49]

SuperTucano will have trouble finding the UAV.

It has its own radar - so it will just find, catch up and shoot down.

[Avior]

An OLS for UAV search, in principle, can be installed on any light engine.
Yes, and his radar is more likely to work on the ground.
But I will not argue.
In any case, this is not a reason to position it as a fighter, in my opinion.
.

[hydrox]

Why?
As a UAV fighter - quite, and even its 1050 km / h is quite superfluous, if you do not release it for long patrols, but use it as a UAV fighter with an instant start, it is quite possible that even with external targeting.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Hand face. Degradation is evident. And we still wonder why people don't fly to the moon, although 50 years ago this was not a problem.

[Herman 4223]

Why did they leave the co-pilot's seat in such a small fighter? What he will do there, this is not a su-30.

[ultra]

Quote: Herman 4223

Why did they leave the co-pilot's seat in such a small fighter?

So this project needs to be changed, and Leonardo only deals with helicopters.

[Herman 4223]

Usually a fuel tank appears in the pilot's seat. Is it really more difficult than a pilot's seat.

[Wedmak]

In my opinion, the weight distribution will change a lot, it's small. And these are additional changes in the design already.

[Herman 4223]

Well, they also pushed the radar and electronic warfare. There are clearly more and more complex changes. Then what kind of tank should be pushed in so that strong changes affecting the flight occur.

[Wedmak]

What kind of tank ... I don't know, that's a guess. The mass of fuel in that volume is difficult to calculate. But the radar and electronic warfare are scattered over the airframe, and the fuel will be in one place.

[Liam]

Quote: Herman 4223

Why did they leave the co-pilot's seat in such a small fighter? What he will do there, this is not a su-30.

Well, probably because this is a modification based on the TCB. And the training planes are like two-seater. A student + an instructor.

[Herman 4223]

Then this is just a wildly complex training aircraft.

[Liam]

Quote: Herman 4223

Then this is just a wildly complex training aircraft.

Having retained the double-seat layout, the aircraft can be used both in the strike version and as a training one.

[hydrox]

It is likely that this is not a 2nd pilot, but a weapon operator (like on crocodiles).

[Sancho_SP]

Presumably, nobody removes the TCB function from him.

[Zaurbek]

For percussion functions.

[donavi49]

Remove the second cockpit = death to the plane at the market.

It is being promoted as an ultra-low-cost versatile aircraft for the Air Force with crumbling used cars, or as an auxiliary versatile type for the normal Air Force.

The co-pilot is:
- full-fledged UBS functionality.
- unification with even cheaper TCB М346 / Yaks
- useful for shock and long missions. While the pilot is taxiing, the second number looks at the screens, turns the optical station, choosing which of the 30 Toyota in this village still belongs to the broads, works with the radar, works with the route. In general, it is useful, especially on long anti-guerrilla patrols.

In general, they are now guided by the dominator in this niche - the T-50. Which devoured the UBS market.

T-50:
- full-fledged M +.
- single engine
- history of combat use in Iraq and the Philippines
- more functionality for costomization

The hero of the article:
- 2 light PKR / KR

- AFAR radar out of the box, and for the T-50 this is a surcharge
- more kinship with TCB, less money in maintenance, less crap with engines, since they do not have afterburners

[smart fellow]

The FA variant maintains all the features of the M-346AJT (Advanced Jet Trainer), providing the air force with maximum commonality, operational flexibility and advanced training capabilities.
https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/products/m346-fa

[outsider]

- Visual reconnaissance, when used as a scout - an extra pair of eyes is never superfluous there. And this is the traditional place of an instructor / inspector, when training / checking young animals - no one took this function away from this aircraft.

[Sancho_SP]

It is too expensive for its tasks. For the same reason, nothing good happened on the L-29/39 base.

Moreover, the tasks of a light attack aircraft are now completely solved by drones. They decide cheaper and more efficiently.

[iouris]

Whom is he going to destroy and where are such wars planned?

[Grazdanin]

Central Africa, South America, Southeast Asia. There and not that flies.

[Zaurbek]

The Italians took a chance and created such a concept. In the footsteps, it seems to me, the United States will make such an aircraft from UB, which they did together with the SAAB. He has a more progressive turbojet engine.

[Grazdanin]

USA why is this? Although it will be exported, toucans were transferred to Afghanistan. For their army, they can buy Predator C, according to the characteristics it is better than the Italian

[Zaurbek]

USA exported F5 quite successfully ... not everyone needs F16

[Observer2014]

Italian light fighter M-346FA made its first flight

My congratulations to you The training plane was christened a fighter! Only Italians could! I did not doubt you Well done!

[Herman 4223]

The funny thing is, for the price, it will probably correspond to a full-fledged fighter from China.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Herman 4223

The funny thing is, for the price, it will probably correspond to a full-fledged fighter from China.

What does it matter to us? Except for the moral satisfaction that they have a fighter. We have it as a training aircraft.
I want to repeat myself. KB Yak! They were ordered a training aircraft in the 90s. They could not resist! A masterpiece has been created!

[Herman 4223]

It's a shame that they took what they needed and dumped from the project, they would not have developed a glider themselves in life. Well, if we want to, we can make our own such a fighter, and it will be no worse and cheaper.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Herman 4223

It's a shame that they took what they needed and dumped from the project, they would not have developed a glider themselves in life. Well, if we want to, we can make our own such a fighter, and it will be no worse and cheaper.

I beg you. Otherwise, the YAK KB was choking in money. We definitely do not need such a fighter

[Herman 4223]

Drones and every little thing to drive the very thing. Well, it is convenient to keep the enemy in tension with such an aircraft, it is simple, cheap, maintenance is inexpensive.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Herman 4223

Drive drones and every little thing

Drones must bring down electronic warfare. And every little thing - drones, sharpened for this business.

[Herman 4223]

Electronic warfare is good, especially if it is near the protected object, and if not? And if it turns out to be ineffective? Direct destruction is always more reliable, an aircraft can quickly move to a threatened area, besides, there are many targets other than drones to drive for which a full-fledged fighter is somehow too expensive. For example, helicopters, attack aircraft and UBS, by the word trifle I meant them.

[outsider]

- And did you pile up a lot of electronic warfare in Syria against the Turks?

[zlinn]

would they not be able to?

and this is not all that they knew how to do

[Zaurbek]

FT17 ... its direct competitor.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Grazdanin

Central Africa, South America, Southeast Asia. There and not that flies.

Ukraine can be offered.

[zwlad]

And I look like the YAK-130 and it is said that it is Italian, and he is the truth YAK.
Why would our design bureau not release an export version of a light fighter or attack aircraft? After all, there is a demand in the external market.

[Grits]

Quote: zwlad

After all, there is a demand in the external market.

Too late to drink Borjomi - the lungs fell off. The Italians have already staked out this place. While ours were chuckling and talking (as well as on VO) that a light attack aircraft and a light fighter from a training aircraft were crap, he would not be able to perform tasks and no one needed him. I am sure that several years will pass and this airplane will be very much needed. And they will also vote on VO that ours could not do anything with the Italians

[donavi49]

The Italians are timidly trying to enter a market dominated by the T-50 and are trying to jump in the Chinese with 2 planes.

Nevertheless, the Italians have sold 0 of these machines so far (we do not count the basic TCS). Ah, here are the Koreans. 32 - UBS with radar and all the buns have been sold, now they are implementing an additional contract with Thailand for 8 cars in the UBS version (Thailand bought 12 cars but without radar and other combat chips, in the TCB version) + they are still working with Indonesia, where they sold 16 cars in the version TCB still want to sell "Light attack / fighter / trainer"

[Bad_gr]

The Chinese also have the FTC-2000 combat trainer for sale (also considered a competitor to our Yak-130)

The FTC-2000G fighter is also called the "Mountain Eagle". According to the developers:
As an attack aircraft, it has a large combat radius and the ability to penetrate enemy territory, provide air support, and strike at ground targets.
As a fighter, he has good maneuverability and situational awareness. Equipped with means of protection and air combat.
As a training aircraft, it has a wide range of capabilities for effective pilot training.
Technical characteristics: maximum combat load weight 3000 kg, range 1650 km, number of suspension nodes - 7.

[Zaurbek]

The Chinese have a clone Yak130 ..L15, with afterburners

[Gar]

We don't care about this pathetic parody of the Yak-130. Our fighters are the most destructive in the world))

[zwlad]

This pathetic parody can make a big profit for the manufacturer, and along the way create jobs in high-tech sectors of production.

[Gar]

I completely agree with you. It was a common patriotic joke. Who is stopping us from carrying out such a technique?

[zwlad]

I believe that the defective managers in leadership positions.

[Zaurbek]

We do not have such AFAR ...

[Cyril G ...]

With SHAR such a mini radar was - Spear.

[Zaurbek]

This is an ersatz radar

[Cyril G ...]

Do you think the same radar but with AFAR will not be an ersatz?

[Zaurbek]

This should be asked by specialists, but it will be clearly better than a crevice. And it is unlikely that this aircraft will have medium-range missiles ...

[Cyril G ...]

Better, of course, but ersatz.

[Zaurbek]

Maybe suitable for mapping and finding targets on the ground

[Castro Ruiz]

Radar AFAR / AESA, REB i rozvedatelnaya aparatura na takom samoletiku eto moshno.

[outsider]

- This is a plane:
1. Educational and training.
2. Training and combat.
3. Anti-partisan.
4. Intelligence.
5. Light attack aircraft.
6. Against drug trafficking.
7. Hunter for low-speed UAVs.
Therefore, all the bells and whistles with which he was endowed, they are justified.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Bad_gr

The Chinese also have the FTC-2000 combat trainer for sale (also considered a competitor to our Yak-130)

The FTC-2000G fighter is also called the "Mountain Eagle". According to the developers:
As an attack aircraft, it has a large combat radius and the ability to penetrate enemy territory, provide air support, and strike at ground targets.
As a fighter, he has good maneuverability and situational awareness. Equipped with means of protection and air combat.
As a training aircraft, it has a wide range of capabilities for effective pilot training.
Technical characteristics: maximum combat load weight 3000 kg, range 1650 km, number of suspension nodes - 7.

The MiG-21 is truly great and immortal!

[outsider]

Quote: hydrox

You do not have a question: why are the Ketays all their life catching up with someone, stealing something from someone, copying something. And why is it that, with so many people, they do not have scientific schools, there are no stable teams with their own results?
There is nothing to be proud of, and in what would the Ketayans be the first?
Unless in the invention of gunpowder ... after all, there is no science there either - a simple sorting of options for the proportions of components.

- How these reindeer herders fell behind reality! Well, yes, they are nowhere first! But there are so many areas of activity in the world where they are already second!
And they will probably be the second to land on the moon ...