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"I dont like". Vysotsky's Russian truth

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I am nothing without Russia. Without the people for whom I am writing, I am not ...

Vladimir Vysotsky


Vladimir Vysotsky died on July 25, 1980. Huge talent with great strain. Russian to the core. Great poet and man. These are born once every hundred years. He can be safely put on a par with Pushkin, Lermontov, Yesenin and Shukshin.

If Vladimir Semyonovich lived to see the terrible years of perestroika, then all the pro-Western evil spirits, "masters of culture" who betrayed Russia for foreign awards and trips, would become his enemies. He loved Russia with anguish and pain, which killed him. Nikolai Gubenko, who knew the bard well, noted that the best examples of Vysotsky's poetry are "blood clots and pain for what is happening to the people." Already dying, he gave two or three concerts a day, burning himself.

"I dont like"


During the period of the victory of "democracy", two types of publications about the Russian poet could be distinguished. The first is the "yellow" publications, in which they stirred up his difficult personal life and wrote about the difficulties of a career in the Soviet "empire of evil". About his official and common-law wives, spree, alcohol and drug addiction. About huge fees, way of life, "intrigues of the Soviet regime" and so on. The second type is the reasoning about "dissident", "fighter against Soviet power", "cosmopolitan" and "anti-Soviet".

In reality, Vladimir Semyonovich worked in the same environment, and wrote for the people. He was surrounded by a liberal crowd, but she was alien to him. The poet himself felt the alienness of his environment, he expressed this in his actions and works. No wonder I wanted to leave the theater, go somewhere to the North and Siberia, into the wilderness. I wanted to be saved, but I didn't have time. Until recently, he tore veins, creating masterpieces for ordinary people. Therefore, he became a folk singer, whom even the closest circle did not understand. Vysotsky never intended to leave the country. “I work with words, I need my roots, I am a poet. Without Russia, I am nothing. Without the people for whom I am writing, I do not exist ”, - so the Russian genius said.

Filling out a questionnaire in 1970, Vladimir Vysotsky, in particular, noted that his favorite song is "Get up, the country is huge," and the most wonderful historical personalities - Lenin, Garibaldi. In 1978, rereading this questionnaire, the poet remarked with surprise: "Well, there is nothing to add." War songs and Lenin are not populism, they are part of Vysotsky's soul.

Russian phenomenon


The remarkable sculptor Vyacheslav Klykov noted: "Vysotsky is a Russian phenomenon." The nature of his success among the people is incomprehensible both in the Russian (mostly Westernized) cultural environment, and in the West. This was a man with the gift of a prophet. Vysotsky is on a par with Pushkin, Lermontov, Yesenin, Shukshin, Tsoi and Talkov. All Russia-Russia, all the people are concentrated in them. Such great people come during the turning points of Russian history, on the eve of the crisis, turmoil. It is possible that Vysotsky's departure most vividly symbolized the end of Soviet civilization, generations of the Great Victory.

Vysotsky was “his own” among the people. He was recognized as "his" in appearance, temper, songs, poems and films. He was his own for pilots and astronauts, for front-line soldiers and sailors, miners and prisoners, for scientists and climbers. Vysotsky represented the brightest example of the Russian people, inconvenient for the "prince of this world." What images did he give in cinema and theater? These are folk, national images of strong, courageous and noble people who are ready to take risks. People's hero Zheglov, who lives by truth and judges by justice. No wonder he was not loved by "gray", government people who do not accept anything free and bright. Typical bureaucrats, officials who live on the orders of what is right and what is not. They were afraid of people like Vladimir Semyonovich. And Vysotsky was alive, very bright, walking along the edge. His best songs are always an anguish, a living naked soul.

Now, in our age of matter, the victory of the "golden calf" and hedonism, it's hard to believe, but Vysotsky is a Russian prophet, a mystical phenomenon. He was hushed up both during his lifetime and after. But for the people he is an idol, one of the most outstanding personalities of our history and civilization. People accepted him with all their hearts, with all their souls. Vladimir Vysotsky became a national Russian hero. People who love his images from films, poems and songs, they are alive, they have a conscience. His songs have not lost their sharpness and power. In them we draw strength and hope for the victory of good and justice. Vysotsky is Russian Truth.

Vladimir Vysotsky has never been a corrupt liberal dissident, as many would like. His Russian and military songs are the best proof of this. The image of Gleb Zheglov, songs "Save Our Souls", "Ballad of Struggle", "Black Pea Coats", "We Rotate the Earth", "There are Eight of Us," "Wolf Hunt", "Ballad of Love", "All not so guys! " and many others - this is for centuries. Blessed memory of him!
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  1. brat07
    brat07 25 July 2020 04: 42
    +5
    Therefore, he became a folk singer, whom even the closest circle did not understand. Vysotsky never intended to leave the country. “I work with words, I need my roots, I am a poet. Without Russia, I am nothing. Without the people for whom I am writing, I do not exist ”, - so the Russian genius said.

    The way it is!
    I walked along the edge.
    Tore veins!
    I remember this day.
    Sorry, but now it's hard for me to talk about HIM!
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 25 July 2020 06: 31
      12

      Today is 40 years since his death.

      Monument

      During my life I was tall and slender,
      Not afraid of a word or a bullet
      And I did not climb into the usual framework.
      But since I am considered deceased,
      They limped me and bent me
      Nailed Achilles to the pedestal.

      Don't shake off my granite meat
      And do not pull out of the pedestal
      Achilles this heel,
      And the iron edges of the frame
      Grasped dead in a layer of cement
      Only convulsions along the ridge.

      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 25 July 2020 11: 52
        23
        I have never seen Vysotsky on stage - only in films. It is noteworthy that in the cinemas there were also amazing photogenic portraits of famous and beloved artists, among whom was the portrait of Vladimir Vysotsky.
        But I still remember Vysotsky alive, when I once met him on the street in Leningrad at a trolleybus stop.
        I was surprised that he was without a car and just like everyone else was waiting for the trolleybus. A trolleybus of his number came up. He sat down in it - and we "parted".
        He behaved very modestly, was dressed simply - absolutely no show off, although he was recognizable by all of us.
        And we, too, at the bus stop tried not to embarrass him because he was recognizable in an ordinary setting, because he had the right to a simple human life, just like all of us, like any of us.
        I still remember this incident visually. Vysotsky made a great impression on me then simply as a person.
        1. Cap.nemo58rus
          Cap.nemo58rus 25 July 2020 18: 07
          +7
          I didn't see Vysotsky myself, but my mother told me. She was at his concert in the city of Zarafshan, in Uzbekistan (Vysotsky, in my opinion, even came there twice). And the concert was in a summer cinema. So a lot of people climbed onto the concrete fence. did not get it.
          The police, of course, tried to stop this case. So Vladimir Semyonovich interrupted the song and asked the police: instead of chasing people, let them inside, let them be accommodated in the aisles and continue the concert.
          So a couple of dozen people (the fence was rather big) attended Vysotsky's concert for free.
          It's a pity they didn't take me with them that day, I was too small.
    2. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 25 July 2020 08: 16
      69
      [/ Quote]
      [Quote] Vysotsky is on a par with Pushkin, Lermontov, Yesenin, Shukshin, Tsoi and Talkov.
      To put Tsoi and Talkov on a par with Pushkin and Yesenin is too much. With all my respect and love for Tsoi, he falls short of Pushkin.
      By and large, both Tsoi and Talkov are foam on the wave of perestroika frenzy, all their work is a rebellion against that system. As a result, "the changes we expected" killed millions "who did not fit into the market." About Talkov there too. Once I really liked the work of both. At that time I was 14-18 years old, the time of hormones and stupidity in my head, then I grew up and realized what the very "changes" about which Choi sang led. Not to say that I hated him, but love and respect have greatly diminished.
      So there is no place for Tsoi and Talkov in this row.
      Vysotsky, yes, a poet from God, although he is also a rebel. An interesting coincidence, and Pushkin and Vysotsky were some kind of rebels against the government. At the same time, the authorities were somehow very loyal to these rebels, for one the tsar personally paid the debts, while the other in the USSR was allowed almost everything from cars of foreign cars and a foreign wife's wife, to drugs and complete freedom of movement.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 25 July 2020 08: 37
        23
        Quite right, Tsoi and Talkov have nothing to do next to Pushkin and Vysotsky
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 25 July 2020 09: 02
          15
          Quote: Aviator_
          Quite right, Tsoi and Talkov have nothing to do next to Pushkin and Vysotsky

          Put it this way, Pushkin and Vysotsky are classics, and Tsoi and Talkov are a subculture, although for me talkov ponds are so-so music.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 25 July 2020 09: 06
            21
            Talkov ponds are the music of David Tukhmanov, the words of Leonid Fadeev. There is little from this artist.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 July 2020 09: 22
              +7
              Quote: Aviator_
              Talkov ponds are the music of David Tukhmanov, the words of Leonid Fadeev. There is little from this artist.

              All the more so.
            2. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 25 July 2020 09: 48
              15
              Aviator_ (Sergey)
              Talkov ponds are the music of David Tukhmanov, the words of Leonid Fadeev. There is little from this artist.
              There are no complaints about "Chistye Prudy", a beautiful lyric song without a touch of politics.
              But I personally have big complaints about "I'll be back", especially this one:
              I dream of returning from the war
              On which he was born and grew up
              On the ruins of a poor country
              In the rain of tears
              But the tyrant is not interred,
              Declaring war on the country
              And no end in sight
              This war.

              These words should have been turned against perestroika and the bear-tagged one, not against Lenin.

              In general, I have many questions about their death. If you look at it, the death of both Talkov and Tsoi was beneficial to that government, but not because of the type of criticism, but on the contrary, both glorified what the government was striving for, namely the collapse of the USSR. And they had to leave on the wave of popularity, as icons of the fight against totalitarianism. Otherwise, they could see what the rebellion had led to and would be horrified, and in horror could turn in the other direction. Given their popularity among the people at that time, the authorities did not suit the 180-degree turn.
              So both died quite naturally ... And most importantly, as the powers that be!
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 25 July 2020 09: 54
                20
                About Talkov about 3 years ago there was a murderous note by Yuri Nersesov "Patriot from a test tube". The opportunist, foam on the wave of denial of the Soviet project of the country's development. "Chistye Prudy" is a calm lyrical song, Tukhmanov has many of them, he is a wonderful musician. Only without this song the rather mediocre singer would never have surfaced.
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 25 July 2020 10: 06
                  19
                  Aviator_ (Sergey)
                  Only without this song the rather mediocre singer would never have surfaced.
                  I agree completely! According to the conjuncture, Talkov fully fit into the actions of that government. In the same way as Makarevich, and other fighters with ginger, being treated kindly by this very regime, I really don't want to!
                  1. Sgt.
                    Sgt. 25 July 2020 10: 24
                    18 th
                    So Vysotsky at that time was treated kindly by the authorities. Otherwise, there would not have been those roles in films and theatrical productions in which he played. Despite the fact that he was convicted, married to a foreigner, a drug addict, etc.
                    To be honest
                    1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                      Andrey Krasnoyarsky 25 July 2020 13: 19
                      12
                      When was Vysotsky tried ??? He has never been in prison. And he was not involved.
                      1. Sgt.
                        Sgt. 25 July 2020 13: 41
                        -2
                        The program was on TV, and it was said that he had a conditional for left-wing concerts.
                        PS I cannot vouch for the reliability, for this is a modern TV
                      2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 25 July 2020 15: 38
                        +9
                        For leftist concerts it was possible to imprison all Soviet actors, singers and musicians without exception. In fact, all this is nothing more than rumors. There is not a single document that Vladimir Semenovich was tried and sentenced to something. And you really shouldn't believe the talkers and liars from television.
                      3. Mikhail Tynda
                        Mikhail Tynda 26 July 2020 01: 49
                        +5
                        Vladimir Semyonovich has never been convicted. Read and be interested and you will be happy and honored. And do not watch low-quality programs. Do not.
              2. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 25 July 2020 10: 34
                +6
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mTEFQeovuw рекомендую! Егор Иванов (канал TubusShow) о Талькове. Да и вообще канал рекомендую! Очень грамотный дядя из Владивостока!
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 25 July 2020 16: 46
                  +3
                  Tubus is quite an adequate blogger, his reasoned opinion can be trusted.
                2. Matroskin
                  Matroskin 25 July 2020 16: 53
                  +5
                  A link to the video is inserted with a separate button in the comments, comrade.
                  1. Region-25.rus
                    Region-25.rus 25 July 2020 17: 04
                    0
                    when writing a comment I looked at another monitor))) Thank you)
                  2. DED_peer_DED
                    DED_peer_DED 28 July 2020 19: 31
                    0
                    I love his songs.
                    Talkov.
                    With all the beauty of his songs, I understand that he himself is a dunce.
                    How can this be?
                    Fuck it, he knows.
                    1. Matroskin
                      Matroskin 30 July 2020 12: 18
                      0
                      Nothing on Earth passes without a trace.
                      And the youth gone is still immortal.
                      How young we were,
                      How young we were,
                      How sincerely they loved
                      How they believed in themselves!
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 July 2020 12: 01
              +4
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              So both died quite naturally ... And most importantly, as the powers that be!

              With the death of Tsoi it is easier, I was then in Riga and we had tickets for his concert, waited half an hour for his release, and then announced that Victor had died. We got on the train and arrived in Jurmala, where he lived. The locals said that from there he went fishing and the road to the lake was really winding and slippery. And the speed was not childish, the accident was 35 km. routes and no conspiracy about brakes, because 35 km before that he somehow slowed down, fatigue, arrogance and a random factor - that's all the reasons.
              In addition, it was the 90th year and it was more profitable for the authorities of that time, than vice versa. Kostya Kinchev drowned for ebna and this one would have done the same at that time. IMHA.
              1. Senior seaman
                Senior seaman 25 July 2020 15: 34
                +1
                Excuse me, but what kind of picture?
                1. kit88
                  kit88 25 July 2020 22: 30
                  0

                  So that number is like this
                  1. Senior seaman
                    Senior seaman 26 July 2020 13: 13
                    +3
                    Sorry, I didn't quite understand.
                    EMNIP Victor on 41 Moskvich collided with Ikarus, and the remains of the car in the picture, judging by the bumper and some other details, belonged to the Cossacks during his lifetime.
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 27 July 2020 04: 25
                      +3
                      Quote: Senior Sailor
                      Sorry, I didn't quite understand.
                      EMNIP Victor on 41 Moskvich collided with Ikarus, and the remains of the car in the picture, judging by the bumper and some other details, belonged to the Cossacks during his lifetime.

                      Yes, fur hats in August not nosyat.Dazhe in Latvia.)
                      A friend of mine went to the scene of an accident on duty. Everything seems to correspond to the official version.
                    2. Okolotochny
                      Okolotochny 27 July 2020 13: 40
                      +3
                      This is an old fake hitter (Stroporez). Ask him how he served in the Airborne Forces in Afghanistan. Although, in fact, he did not serve in the army at all, because of his eyesight. For Tsoi's car - I recently read an article. So, there is no photo of Tsoi's broken car from the word GENERAL, there are photoshops on the internet. In theory, they remained in the verification materials, in the archives of the Latvian police, but they are not on the network. There are no photos of 41 Moskvich Tsoi either.
            4. kit88
              kit88 25 July 2020 22: 16
              +4
              ... Otherwise, they could see what their rebellion led to and be horrified ...

              Honestly, write some nonsense.
              I've been to concerts and Kino, and Alice, and DDT ...
              Which of Tsoi is a politician, it is now either an icon that is being made of him, or it is not clear what kind of fighter. And his "Change!", Written in 85-86, has the same relation to politics as a hare to the State Duma. He wanted free beer, and he wanted to ride the tram for free, not ruin the Union. He just sang for us - boys and girls, sang what we liked.
              By the way, Kinchev was much more popular then. He also sang in the same style, he is alive now, he did not turn 180 a bit. And if someone is "removed" from the rock club, then Choi will be the last on the list of candidates.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 26 July 2020 03: 17
                +4
                Bravo! By the way, Choi himself said: "We are doing pop music." This Grebenshchikov tried to make from Tsoi, Panov, "Ricochet", Borzykin - "red wave". It partially worked out.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 26 July 2020 08: 40
                +4
                Quote: kit88
                He wanted free beer, and he wanted to ride the tram for free, not destroy the Union. He just sang for us - boys and girls, sang what we liked.
                By the way, Kinchev was much more popular then. He also sang in the same style, he is alive now, he did not turn 180 a bit. And if someone is "removed" from the rock club, then Choi will be the last on the list of candidates.

                Colleague, it is absolutely true, if any of them was a rebel, it was Shevchuk, Bashlachev, GrOb and TV, but not Tsoi!
        2. Uncle Izya
          Uncle Izya 26 July 2020 18: 51
          0
          Anti-Soviet, you mean his songs?
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 25 July 2020 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        Quite right, Tsoi and Talkov have nothing to do next to Pushkin and Vysotsky

        With all due respect, it is not very correct to equate Vysotsky with Pushkin. In general, everyone occupies his own niche in creativity.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 25 July 2020 08: 39
      28
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      An interesting coincidence, and Pushkin and Vysotsky were some kind of rebels against the government.

      Colleague, let me disagree with you, Vysotsky was certainly not a rebel against the government, rather he satirically ridiculed the townsfolk and the bourgeoisie, but he was definitely not a desident.
      1. Vestnik
        Vestnik 25 July 2020 08: 49
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        Vysotsky was certainly not a rebel against the government, rather he satirically ridiculed the townsfolk and the bourgeoisie, but he was definitely not a desident.

        They spoke very rightly, for this his people loved !!!!!
        I read his memoirs, I don't remember who, and so Vysotsky did not know how to play chess, and so he flew in an airplane with someone and asked him to tell about the game of chess ...
        An hour later, with burning eyes, I said I composed a song ..

        You can't drink talent, as they say in Russia ..
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 25 July 2020 08: 58
          +2
          Quote: Vestnik

          You can't drink talent, as they say in Russia ..

          This is for sure, rather, even doping stimulates creativity. I do not know of a single poet who would not abuse. request
          1. Vestnik
            Vestnik 25 July 2020 09: 02
            -4
            Quote: Stroporez
            This is for sure, rather, even doping stimulates creativity. I don’t know a single poet who hasn’t been abused

            Exactly .. hi Vysotsky like a match flashed and went out.!
            I really like about his wolves Just the soul cries and breaks .. Straight about me.

            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 July 2020 09: 12
              +7
              Quote: Vestnik
              Vysotsky like a match flashed and went out.!

              The power of burning, "and he is rebellious looking for a storm, as if there is peace in the storm." For me, the song "I Yak is a Fighter" is a hymn. In my youth I really thought that Vysotsky was a fighter pilot, otherwise how could he feel and convey all this.
              "Peace to your home!"
              1. Vestnik
                Vestnik 25 July 2020 09: 40
                +2
                Quote: Stroporez
                The power of burning, "and he is rebellious looking for a storm, as if there is peace in the storm"

                It's about him ... !!!!!
                PS I wonder what kind of bastard there are cons of figs? Well, there is no politics, etc. Just crap?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 25 July 2020 10: 02
                  +6
                  Quote: Vestnik
                  PS I wonder what kind of bastard there are cons of figs? Well, there is no politics, etc. Just crap?

                  A colleague, of course, just crap like disgusting cats, there is such a category "minus", they manage to poke minuses even in congratulatory articles for March 8th. these are people whose muscular motility is much ahead of brain activity.
                  They do not spare their fingers. laughing
                  1. Vestnik
                    Vestnik 25 July 2020 10: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    A colleague, of course, just crap like disgusting cats, there is such a category "minus", they manage to poke minuses even in congratulatory articles for March 8th. these are people whose muscular motility is much ahead of brain activity.
                    They do not spare their fingers.

                    Well, as they say, "And we will survive it! .."
                    Even though I often ran into you, but I agree with you on this .. It's time for us to unite here and clean these jackals edrit them in the leg this way and that .. well, we really got the bugs .. negative
                    They don't let the devils speak in masculine terms .. I just do that I kick off the mongrels
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 25 July 2020 11: 09
                      +4
                      Quote: Vestnik
                      Although I often run into you, I agree with you on this

                      There are things that exist regardless of political affiliations. If I hate Putin, and someone worships him, this does not prevent me from showing solidarity with my opponent in admiration for the work of Vysotsky or Pushkin.
                      Quote: Vestnik
                      .It's time for us to unite here and clean these jackals edrit them in the leg this way and that .. well, really got the bugs already ..

                      In general, I am in favor of a friendly atmosphere on the site, well, we quarreled over politics, but this does not prevent us from drinking a bottle together for a holiday or, for example, going to pick mushrooms together.
                      Before my bath 2,5 years ago, there was a more or less normal situation, but a sect of trichamanose appeared, such as "cleaners" of the site, they brought hatred to the site, minus is their disgusting handwriting, they now pose as underground workers and harm as soon as they can.
                    2. Vestnik
                      Vestnik 25 July 2020 12: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      In general, I am in favor of a friendly atmosphere on the site, well, we quarreled over politics, but this does not prevent us from drinking a bottle together for a holiday or, for example, going to pick mushrooms together.
                      Before my bath 2,5 years ago, there was a more or less normal situation, but a sect of trichamanose appeared, such as "cleaners" of the site, they brought hatred to the site, minus is their disgusting handwriting, they now pose as underground workers and harm as soon as they can.

                      Got you ..! And I agree, they play off us guys here and giggle then ... Okay, let's figure it out hi
                      How would we get together .. And then something is wrong in the last 3-4 years .. We moisten each other for the joy of some .. Eh Russia!
                    3. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 25 July 2020 13: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: Vestnik
                      .And the fact that something is wrong in the last 3-4 years goes .. We moisten each other for the joy of some

                      Mdyayaya laughing , but 8 years ago everything was completely different, look at the comments 2012 good Some will eat, but others are far away ...
                      For me, there are "lost" ones, and there are stubborn guards, this is worse.
                  2. Motorist
                    Motorist 2 August 2020 16: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    I hate Putin

                    From hatred as much as the lower case wedges on the letter "P" ... Do not harass yourself like that! laughing
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 25 July 2020 15: 36
              +2
              Quote: Vestnik
              Quote: Stroporez
              The power of burning, "and he is rebellious looking for a storm, as if there is peace in the storm"

              It's about him ... !!!!!
              PS I wonder what kind of bastard there are cons of figs? Well, there is no politics, etc. Just crap?

              Vitala, you, with your anti-Semitism, should stay away from Vysotsky.
              1. Crash
                Crash 25 July 2020 16: 03
                +4
                So where does Judophobia have to do with it?
                There are things that exist regardless of political affiliations.

                yes I completely agree. I will add: and regardless of nationality and race. At one time, Michael Jackson was the idol of millions, and no one thought that he was an American, and even a Negro
                1. Selevc
                  Selevc 27 July 2020 14: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Crasher
                  Michael Jackson was the idol of millions, and no one thought that he was an American, and even a Negro

                  And also such a junkie to look for more !!! Jackson took drugs and all sorts of furious nasty things to fight the consequences of skin lightening operations !!! Bacteria simply ate him alive - the singer even slept in a pressure chamber - in an absolutely artificial air environment ... By the age of 50, Jackson's heart simply could not withstand such a load of chemistry on the body and that's it - he's a great show !!!
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 25 July 2020 15: 38
          +3
          Quote: Vestnik
          I really like about his wolves Just the soul cries and breaks .. Straight about me.


          are you a wolf
          and about Vysotsky, the song that can be considered his portrait, I think this one:

          1. Svarog
            Svarog 25 July 2020 18: 49
            +9
            And I like all Vysotsky's songs in general .. But the horses .. and flood the bathhouse in black .. is a masterpiece, especially when longing takes ..
            Well, this laugh laughing
        3. snake
          snake 25 July 2020 16: 49
          +2
          Quote: Vestnik
          I really like about his wolves Just the soul cries and breaks .. Straight about me.

          No, Meehan. This is "Dear Program" about you.
  2. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 27 July 2020 13: 43
    +1
    Vysotsky was certainly not a rebel against the government, rather he satirically ridiculed the townsfolk and the bourgeoisie, but he was definitely not a desident.

    Straight cutter, Fake again. Vysotsky's interview to foreign journalists - I have questions for my government, but I will not discuss them with you. Search on the net, just not like a photo of the type from the scene of Tsoi's accident fool tongue
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  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 July 2020 09: 02
    +5
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    So there is no place for Tsoi and Talkov in this row.
    Vysotsky, yes, a poet from God, although he is also a rebel. An interesting coincidence, and Pushkin and Vysotsky were some kind of rebels against the government.
    I support your opinion, and I will also express my opinion in addition to yours. Vysotsky can also be compared with Yesenin, the same Russian with a wide, unbridled nature, the same critical attitude to the authorities, but they were both singers of our Russian life. I managed to be at the concerts of Vladimir Semyonovich twice, and now I am one of the few who can boast of this.
    The songs of Vladimir Vysotsky, as well as the songs performed by Mark Bernes of these two Soviet people, are still listened to by many of our people.
    1. Vestnik
      Vestnik 25 July 2020 09: 42
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The songs of Vladimir Vysotsky, as well as the songs performed by Mark Bernes of these two Soviet people, are still listened to by many of our people.

      And they will listen to more than one generation, they touch the strings of the soul to goose bumps and a lump in the throat .. hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 July 2020 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: Vestnik
        And they will listen to more than one generation, they touch the strings of the soul to the chills and a lump in the throat.

        The world has changed, so have values. It is unpleasant and disgusting to see people who approve of Vladimir Semyonovich Vysotsky, the adepts of the democrats minus. Disgusting!
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  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 25 July 2020 10: 11
    +7
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    To put Tsoi and Talkov on a par with Pushkin and Yesenin is too much.

    I absolutely agree with you! I am sure that Choi himself did not understand what he wanted. Such an understanding requires age, life experience that he did not have. His songs, unlike others, attracted young people. I never took him seriously.
    Talkov, for all his artistry, is my ideological antipode. I think, in the words of Vysotsky, - he read the wrong books as a child. He was too primitive about the confrontation between "white and red"
    Vysotsky has depth, he understands that “everything is not so, guys, but he doesn’t know how. Hence the anguish in his songs, in his life.
    I don't know how correct it is to put Pushkin and Vysotsky on the same line. Pushkin is a violin, a flute, and Vysotsky is drums, everything, drums and cymbals and what else is there.
    Do not judge strictly, this is just my perception of the works of the authors.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 25 July 2020 13: 16
      +4
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      I absolutely agree with you! I am sure that Choi himself did not understand what he wanted. Such an understanding requires age, life experience that he did not have. His songs, unlike others, attracted young people.

      Since I am an admirer of the work of Vladimir Semyonovich, I will allow myself, so to speak, to intervene and support you, colleague, from this perspective: well, first of all: Tsoi, despite all his dignity, was a musician, a singer and was not on his own , he was in the group "Kino". The group was promoted by producer Yuri Aizenshpis, he also worked with "Technology", Vlad Stashevsky and many popular singers with the mouth of the 80s-90s. The question is - if it were not for Tsoi and Aizenshpis's "Kino", would Tsoi be so popular? So it is with Talkov.
      I am calm - he told me everything.
      "Don't hide," he ordered. And I will tell you.
      Who offended me or betrayed me -
      The one whom I serve will punish.
      I don't know how - whether with a knife in the rib,
      Or their house and all goodness will burn
      Or displaced, crumpled, imprisoned ...
      When - again I don't know - in years
      Or now, or maybe already ...
      Fate cannot be avoided on a bend
      And you can't go around on a curve on yours,
      Recklessly, too, will not leak.
      And I? I what ! I am calm, for me - at least
      Beat you with stones, hail or buckshot.
      V.S. Vysotsky
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 25 July 2020 13: 32
        +3
        Tsoi gained popularity long before Aizenshpis.
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 25 July 2020 11: 40
    +3
    Complicated attitude towards him. May his adherents forgive me. A drug addict, a regular visitor to psychiatric hospitals due to a catastrophic addiction to drugs and alcohol. However, in the totalitarian USSR, no one took away his rights, how is that? The addict then? Maybe it wasn't exactly totalitarianism? He was in Tahiti and in Hollywood, in general he lived well, there is nothing to be offended at. Once again I ask you to forgive me of his fans, I really like his work, but you can't throw out words from the song. Everything leads to certain reflections, when, in an alliance for smaller people, they were assigned to places that were not very good. Ambivalence.
  • Jack sklo
    Jack sklo 25 July 2020 13: 28
    0
    I agree that Tsoi and Talkov are incomparable with Pushkin, but it is not entirely correct to see political subtext in the song "Changes". It is about internal changes when a person faces a personal choice.
  • sanya
    sanya 25 July 2020 15: 38
    -9
    Without Vysotsky scoop, this is a sad g ... oh
    In many ways, even the authorities needed him
  • snerg7520
    snerg7520 26 July 2020 07: 22
    -6
    To put Tsoi and Talkov on a par with Pushkin and Yesenin is too much.

    And with Vysotsky to put on a par with agents of influence Tsoi and Talkov, to whom even the CIA agents wrote songs, is blasphemy.
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 26 July 2020 10: 12
      -4
      Quote: snerg7520
      And with Vysotsky to put on a par with agents of influence Tsoi and Talkov, to whom even the CIA agents wrote songs, is blasphemy.

      Tsoi, no one wrote songs. He sang his own. Talkov are mostly strangers.
      Tsoi can and should be placed next to Vysotsky. Both of them expressed the thoughts and moods of their generation. Both are remembered. Open YouTube and dig. A sea of ​​clips and covers.
      1. Aag
        Aag 27 July 2020 04: 47
        0
        Quote: ZAV69
        Quote: snerg7520
        And with Vysotsky to put on a par with agents of influence Tsoi and Talkov, to whom even the CIA agents wrote songs, is blasphemy.

        Tsoi, no one wrote songs. He sang his own. Talkov are mostly strangers.
        Tsoi can and should be placed next to Vysotsky. Both of them expressed the thoughts and moods of their generation. Both are remembered. Open YouTube and dig. A sea of ​​clips and covers.

        Well, we survived. Creativity, and will we judge a person by the number of clips? You, apparently, are not here ...
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 27 July 2020 07: 50
          +1
          Quote: AAG
          Well, we survived. Creativity, and will we judge a person by the number of clips? You, apparently, are not here ...

          Here. It is here dear. An analysis of what is on YouTube allows you to assess how strong your memory is. Vysotsky and Tsoi did not live to see YouTube. No one is surprised that live singers are filming and uploading clips. And from Vysotsky and Tsoi there were only frames from the film and documentaries from concerts. Meanwhile, people put songs on the video sequence, shoot covers. The rollers are dark, and the number is growing. In the 90s, there was a hell of a lot of performers, there are relics in YouTube. And the views are minuscule. Who needs them? And Vysotsky and Tsoi are watching. All generations watch. If a song about three kosochek sausages, let's say I remember that it was like that, and my children do not know about it, but Tsoi and Vysotsky periodically listen.
          By the way, the fact that after 30 years we are arguing whether to put Vysotsky and Tsoi next to it is also an indicator. Yet 30 years have passed, the generation has already changed, the second will soon change, and the work is remembered.
          1. Aag
            Aag 27 July 2020 09: 50
            0
            I agree with this statement of the question. hi
  • eklmn
    eklmn 26 July 2020 18: 48
    0
    "At the same time, the government was somehow very loyal to these rebels, for one the tsar personally paid the debts ..."
    There was no loyalty to the poets - the authorities were simply afraid of them! If the authorities somehow decided to punish them loudly, then there would be a lot of noise, and so - one restricted to travel abroad (Pushkin), the other, although he kindled the people, but the people did not go out into the streets to build barricades, behaved within the kitchen. So it was very convenient for the authorities not to touch the poets - no damage.
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 25 July 2020 11: 26
    +4
    And he was neither deserved, nor popular, nor popular, nor super deserved, but was simply a poet and singer whom the people loved, loved and remembered. And what will remain of all these present "honored, national, etc." - one emptiness and nothing more. Here's an example for you, what are all these current honored, great, national and God knows what else ...
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 25 July 2020 11: 53
      +1
      Yes, the POET is great. This cannot be taken away, great man. But a rebel? Hardly. Nobody forbade him anything. Traveled all over the world, no problem. Well, and the fact that he ruined himself with alcohol coupled with drugs is his own fault, although they tried to cure him, and they were extremely loyal to his "weakness".
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  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 25 July 2020 05: 51
    19
    I was always amazed at how he accurately and succinctly created the images of his characters. It seemed that he could not but be a front-line soldier, pilot, athlete, etc. Maybe that's why he left so early. that survived several lives ...
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 25 July 2020 23: 39
      0
      Interestingly you think!)
  • Catfish
    Catfish 25 July 2020 06: 26
    11
    Alexander, thank you for remembering and remembering.

    His death was so unexpected and unlikely, like a stab in the back from around the corner. Many did not want to believe and did not believe that he left himself and blamed the authorities for this. Be that as it may, Vladimir lived a bright life and raised several generations of young people with his songs and poems. He is with us now. Eternal memory and gratitude to him for everything that he did for us, ordinary citizens of our country. soldier
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 July 2020 09: 06
      +7
      Quote: Sea Cat
      His death was so unexpected and unlikely, like a stab in the back from around the corner.

      Lermontov, Pushkin, Yesenin, Mayakovsky, Vysotsky, flashed like lightning, they also quickly faded away, but they brought the people a light that still burns in our souls.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 25 July 2020 10: 13
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine

        Lermontov, Pushkin, Yesenin, Mayakovsky, Vysotsky, flashed like lightning, they also quickly faded away, but they brought the people a light that still burns in our souls.

        I don’t understand which hoopoe gave you a minus and for what?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 25 July 2020 11: 43
          +3
          Hello my friend!
          There is nothing to understand, he himself wrote that he put a minus, but from a freak, especially moral, what a demand. Petty, spiteful little people, just to make shit, such in communal apartments spit in the pots of their neighbors. It was them that Vysotsky hated with fierce hatred.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 25 July 2020 13: 38
            0
            Quote: Sea Cat
            It was them that Vysotsky hated with fierce hatred.

            It is because of this that these little people hate Vysotsky, Yesenin, Mayakovsky.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 25 July 2020 13: 39
              -1
              What to take from them, from the poor. fool
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 July 2020 13: 35
          -1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I don’t understand which hoopoe gave you a minus and for what?

          Those who hate Russia, hate its history, its heroes. They can only do everything from the undercover, but openly lick European bowlers.
        3. serg.shishkov2015
          serg.shishkov2015 25 July 2020 14: 44
          +3
          Right now, too, they minus me more than once! And ,,, Vysotsky for me is like the sun, like air without which there is no life!
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 25 July 2020 13: 27
        +9
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Lermontov, Pushkin, Yesenin, Mayakovsky, Vysotsky, flashed like lightning, they also quickly faded away, but they brought the people a light that still burns in our souls.
        Reply

        Who ended his life tragically, he -
        true poet,
        And if at the exact time, so - in full:
        At number 26, one stepped under the gun,
        The other got into a noose in Angleterre ......

        At the number 37, the hop flies from me,
        And now - how cold it blew:
        Under this figure, Pushkin guessed a duel for himself
        And Mayakovsky lay down with his temple on the barrel.

        Let's linger on the number 37! God is cunning -
        He put the question bluntly: either - or!
        Both Byron and Rimbaud lay at this turn, -
        And the current ones somehow slipped through.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 25 July 2020 11: 33
      10
      Kostya, hello! hi
      People of genius - that's why they are "from a different test" - will never be fully understood. Or even so - each time you understand them in a new way. That is why the memory of them lives much longer than life was released, as well as the relevance of their works. And, in a big way, it does not matter whether a poem is a scientific work or an automaton. And here is a wonderful song, the words from which are present in this kind, for many nostalgic, article. Uniting people of diametrically opposed views. I really don't want us to gnaw each other's throats here too.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 25 July 2020 11: 38
        +6
        I really don't want us to gnaw each other's throats here too.

        Absolutely right! Even predators have a "water truce".
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 25 July 2020 15: 50
      +6
      Quote: Sea Cat
      His death was so unexpected and unlikely, like a stab in the back from around the corner.

      I remember, just, the opening of OI-80 and right there, word of mouth: "Vysotsky is dead."
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 25 July 2020 06: 44
    +8
    Now they are trying to powder Vysotsky, comb his hair. Even after death, he is uncomfortable for many. On TV, they sing only those songs that do not affect the authorities. For example, "Why is there no gold in the country? They gave away the bastards, gave them away."
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 July 2020 06: 44
    0
    Yes, titanium. So the era was, suitable - totalitarian ( fool ), nationwide.
    People can’t be fooled.
    In the early 60s there were few tape recorders, my brother and I were lucky, my father bought "Aidas", but the tape, type 2, was constantly torn. they wrote the stage from the TV, and Vysotsky, who had older brothers as friends and comrades. He knew practically all his songs. OUR songs.
    In a military hostel, young officers scoffed at the political officer, in turn, they launched Vysotsky from the windows. He will stand at the entrance, spot the window, until he reaches it, it’s quiet and smooth, and again comes out onto the porch from another window ... Hmm.
    Such our brother went into darkness!
    Do not run amok and do not miss.
    [Source Kultura.RF: https://www.culture.ru/poems/19153/pamyati-vasiliya-shukshina]
  • Van 16
    Van 16 25 July 2020 06: 56
    +9
    Great Russian poet. I started listening to it on reels with red tape Tasma, then on cassettes, now on flash drives. Eternal songs.
    1. Tibul
      Tibul 25 July 2020 07: 33
      +2
      I agree completely! Every poem is a masterpiece! Just like you listened and listened to it on a reel in the 60s, and except for it there was nothing on the reels. Now my best disc is "new sound" where some songs are superimposed with the sound of the orchestra.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 25 July 2020 07: 56
        +4
        Masterpiece. And no matter what - serious, playful, military, ballads - everything sounds, everything falls on the soul. hi
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 July 2020 06: 59
    0
    He loved Russia with anguish and pain, which killed him
    well, for the sake of truth, it was not love that killed him, but something completely different, although the poet GREAT
  • Russ
    Russ 25 July 2020 07: 18
    20
    You added only heels to that figure 37,
    Only five years he threw into the carnal life.
    And at 42 finished Presley and Dassin,
    And at 42, Vysotsky ended his life.
    You don't need a pistol now to silence the poet.
    He sang with his heart - and his heart broke.
    At the very edge, at the edge of the open space,
    Therefore, life is short.
    But in the courtyard of the XX century - the voice remained alive:
    It was recorded on disks and cassettes.
    And there are so many films around the country that if you spread them out,
    Then you can wrap the planet with it.
    And let the radio say that Joe Dassin is dead
    And let them be silent that our Vysotsky died -
    What Dassin is to us, what he sang about - we do not know at all,
    Vysotsky sang about our bestial life.
    He sang, about which we were silent, sang ourselves burning,
    Bringing down your great conscience into the world,
    He walked on the blade of a knife, screamed, screamed, wheezed,
    And he cut our souls into his blood.
    And these wounds cannot be healed or bandaged,
    Suddenly he fell silent - and a cold blew.
    Although he died of a heart attack, we can say -
    For all of us, he lay down with his head on the barrel.

    Valentin Gaft
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 26 July 2020 05: 20
      -1
      Amazing business, why so. As a liberalist and "anti-spokesman", so quite a decent and sincere, one might say poet. Gaft, Okudzhava and they are innumerable. A holy place is never empty, now Mityaev is anchored.
      The poem is excellent, it's a pity that the author is ... angry
      1. fider
        fider 27 July 2020 10: 56
        -1
        Mavrikiy
        sorry that the author is
        That, not! It's a pity that you are! hi
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 27 July 2020 11: 09
          0
          Quote: fider
          Mavrikiy
          sorry that the author is

          Where are you from? March into place, under a broom !! fool
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 July 2020 07: 19
    13
    Light memory to him!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 July 2020 07: 44
    +9
    Suffice it to say that even in today's Russia it is difficult to find a person (if possible at all) who does not remember the poet, songwriter, wonderful actor (classics - "The Tale of How Tsar Peter the Arap Married", "The Meeting Place Cannot Be Changed").
    We will remember the great RUSSIAN MAN until the end of our life.
  • tatra
    tatra 25 July 2020 08: 10
    +6
    Vysotsky was a "product" of the Soviet people. The anti-Soviet people "liberated" by Gorbachev did not need Vysotsky, just as the anti-Soviet people do not need Russian folk songs, romances, bard songs. He listens to foreign language and "singing cowards".
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 July 2020 10: 07
      +3
      Quote: tatra
      The anti-Soviet people who were "liberated" by Gorbachev did not need Vysotsky

      This can be seen from your comments, out of six, three minus. I bet a plus, it's a pity that I can't bet more. But it's scary to see how Gorbachev's mold is spreading.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 25 July 2020 08: 17
    10
    Vysotsky is a whole era.
  • lucul
    lucul 25 July 2020 08: 40
    -4
    In reality, Vladimir Semyonovich worked in the same environment, and wrote for the people. He was surrounded by a liberal crowd, but she was alien to him. The poet himself felt the alienness of his environment, he expressed this in his actions and works. No wonder I wanted to leave the theater, go somewhere to the North and Siberia, into the wilderness. I wanted to be saved, but I didn't have time.

    Yes, everything is as simple as two or two - this whole liberal get-together consisted entirely of Jews, and he was alien to them in spirit. His love for Russia contrasted sharply with the essentially Russophobic currents prevailing in that environment.
    That is why he "choked" with them ....
    1. Vestnik
      Vestnik 25 July 2020 08: 57
      -6
      Quote: lucul
      Yes, everything is as simple as two or two - this whole liberal get-together consisted entirely of Jews, and he was alien to them in spirit. His love for Russia contrasted sharply with the essentially Russophobic currents prevailing in that environment.
      Therefore, he "choked" with them ...

      Thank you for the way you spoke there are no words .. That was exactly what happened. Thank you! hi
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 25 July 2020 08: 47
    12
    I saw him on the Taganka stage only once - at the premiere of Crime and Punishment, he played Svidrigailov. The game shocked. In the cinema, this is impossible to realize, only in the theater. And his songs - for example, "Comrades Scientists, Associate Professors with Candidates ..." - about our life in the 70s. I learned about his death while working on haymaking in the Zaraysky district of the Moscow region - well, just a song about our agricultural work. And what amazed me back then was that the liberal party, the six-year party, listened to okudzhavka, and the people listened to Vysotsky. Different classes of society.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 July 2020 10: 11
      +3
      Quote: Aviator_
      And what amazed me back then was that the liberal party, the six-year party, listened to okudzhavka, and the people listened to Vysotsky.

      You look straight into the eye. So it was, I confirm.
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 July 2020 22: 51
        0
        Quote: Aviator_
        And what amazed me back then was that the liberal party, the six-year party, listened to okudzhavka, and the people listened to Vysotsky. Different classes of society.

        Wonderful! And just above the screeching chamber 6
        Quote: tatra
        The liberated "Gorbachev anti-Soviet the people Vysotsky was not needed ,

        Who is right?
  • Cypa
    Cypa 25 July 2020 09: 15
    +4
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    An interesting coincidence, and Pushkin and Vysotsky were some kind of rebels against the government.

    Colleague, let me disagree with you, Vysotsky was certainly not a rebel against the government, rather he satirically ridiculed the townsfolk and the bourgeoisie, but he was definitely not a desident.

    And although Vysotsky is an undoubted talent, and I love and respect him, I would not put him on the same level as Pushkin and Lermontov. these are completely different things
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 July 2020 10: 16
      -3
      Quote: Cypa
      And although Vysotsky is an undoubted talent, and I love and respect him, I would not put him on the same level as Pushkin and Lermontov. these are completely different things

      The time was not the same, in the time of Pushkin, such songs were simply not sung.
    2. dauria
      dauria 25 July 2020 11: 29
      +6
      all the same, I would not put him on the same level with Pushkin and Lermontov.

      I would also. Pushkin or Lermontov knew that people? That time? The people sang their songs. "Leave, Maria, my walls. And he saw me off the porch .." - this was the singing of the grandmothers in our village. Vysotsky's strengths lies in the fact that he empathized with people. And in the talent to express this in one line, the language in which this very people spoke.
      - Light up! - Sorry, "Kazbek" I do not smoke.
      - Okay, have a drink! Let's go to the dishes ...
      - Yes, until they bring ... - Drink, to whom I speak!
      Be healthy! - I will definitely.

      No refined sugar, combing words. And the strengths ...
  • Mustachioed Georgian
    Mustachioed Georgian 25 July 2020 09: 44
    +4
    From childhood I loved his songs and still. The versatility of the images created in them is striking, as if he lived all these lives. The great poet of the Russian people, glory and eternal memory.
  • Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent 25 July 2020 09: 49
    +2
    Now very often they quote Kolchak's words about artists, so who is this Kolchak !?
    Is he a thinker, Spinoza or Jean-Jacques Rousseau! ?? am
    In response to everyone citing his words as an example, I say in response that there are GREAT artists and their number is a million !!!
    As an example, I cite specific names: Vysotsky! Sergey Bondarchuk! Shukshin !!! Gaidai! Nikulin !!! And even a great many front-line soldiers who, after the most terrible war, did not lose their love for life, for people, for the country !!!
    Is it possible to say that Nikulin would serve any government according to Kolchak! ?? angry A man went through two wars and after all this did not lose his love for people, how did he make us laugh! ?? hi
    Yes, and there are many modern artists with a civic position: Mashkov! Mironov!
    Even Chulpan Khamatova !!! One can agree with their position or not, but the fact that they are CITIZENS of their country is in my opinion no doubt !!!
    Vysotsky is the most striking example of this galaxy !!! I remembered his words given by him in one interview that if you don't get goosebumps while singing the song "Get up, the country is huge", then he does not know what to talk about with this person !!!
    1. sedoj
      sedoj 25 July 2020 13: 20
      +2
      By the way about Chulpan Khamatova:
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 25 July 2020 14: 23
      +9
      I wouldn't get excited about Mashkov. It is he on the screen, such a rebellious uncompromising. And in real life he fired for the eyewash "amendments" from the screen - match Tereshkova. There and Bezrukov "our everything" was noted. Artists, they are such artists. The creative nature and the media are not the identity of the enlightened one.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 26 July 2020 09: 36
        0
        Quote: andrew42
        I wouldn't get excited about Mashkov. It is he on the screen, such a rebellious uncompromising. And in real life he fired for the eyewash "amendments" from the screen - match Tereshkova. There and Bezrukov "our everything" was noted. Artists, they are such artists. The creative nature and the media are not the identity of the enlightened one.

        ".. Would you like nine million in Tabakerka?
        For this amount, FE "Mashkov Vladimir Lvovich" assumed "obligations to fulfill the roles:
        - Governor of the play "The Inspector General" based on the play of the same name by N.V. Gogol on the stage of the Theater;
        - Abram Schwartz in the performance of the current repertoire of the Theater of Oleg Tabakov based on the play by A. Galich "Matrosskaya Silence" on the stage of the Theater.
        "From" 04 "January 2020 to" 31 "July 2020".
  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 July 2020 10: 23
    +6
    Quote: Andrew the Magnificent
    Now very often they quote Kolchak's words about artists, so who is this Kolchak !?
    Is he a thinker, Spinoza or Jean-Jacques Rousseau! ?? am
    In response to everyone citing his words as an example, I say in response that there are GREAT artists and their number is a million !!!
    As an example, I cite specific names: Vysotsky! Sergey Bondarchuk! Shukshin !!! Gaidai! Nikulin !!! And even a great many front-line soldiers who, after the most terrible war, did not lose their love for life, for people, for the country !!!
    Is it possible to say that Nikulin would serve any government according to Kolchak! ?? angry A man went through two wars and after all this did not lose his love for people, how did he make us laugh! ?? hi
    Yes, and there are many modern artists with a civic position: Mashkov! Mironov!
    Even Chulpan Khamatova !!! One can agree with their position or not, but the fact that they are CITIZENS of their country is in my opinion no doubt !!!
    Vysotsky is the most striking example of this galaxy !!! I remembered his words given by him in one interview that if you don't get goosebumps while singing the song "Get up, the country is huge", then he does not know what to talk about with this person !!!

    Judging by the joy she experiences from the fact of the collapse of that huge country, it is unlikely that Khamatova has goosebumps while performing this song ... sad
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 July 2020 06: 55
      +5
      Quote: Radikal
      Ch.Khamatova gives goosebumps while performing this song ...

      She has "goosebumps" from Zuleikha - Kolchak would approve ..
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 July 2020 10: 27
    12
    How many years have passed - but on the screw of my computer there are always Vysotsky's songs. And they will. I'll put on something soulful - how else to honor the memory of the greatest bard (in the best sense of the word). His songs are still taken for the soul so ... He saw so much ...
    "Hey you back, do as I do!
    This means - don't follow me,
    This track is only mine,
    Get out on your own ... "
    A person had more meaning in one song than in all of today's stage ...
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 25 July 2020 10: 55
    +2
    The article is good. Sincere. Although not without overkill.
    I believe, to equate A.S. Pushkin with V.Vysotsky (for all his merits) is still an overkill: Pushkin is above everyone else!
    The same about the desire to leave MOSCOW "to the countryside, to the wilderness, to Saratov": many want to want, but few do it for real.
    And Vladimir Vysotsky is unique and inimitable.
    Eternal memory to him and rest for the restless soul!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 July 2020 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      I believe, to equate A.S. Pushkin with V.Vysotsky (for all his merits) is still an overkill: Pushkin is above everyone else!

      Maybe. But time passes, and personally to me Vysotsky is much closer than Pushkin
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 25 July 2020 12: 42
        +5
        Love and consider it the best for your health! This is YOUR full right and desire (although some people prefer Asadov, Yevtushenko or Rozhdestvensky). As in the famous song: "Everyone chooses for himself ..." That does not at all shake the well-known truth: Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin is the greatest Russian poet, who has no equal yet.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 July 2020 14: 36
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Which does not at all shake the known truth: Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin is the greatest Russian poet

          From the point of view of the talent of versification - no doubt about it. But as for the depth of the thoughts embedded in the verses ... Here you can argue, but why? Although ... it would be very interesting to know what Alexander Sergeevich would say today :)))
          1. Liam
            Liam 25 July 2020 14: 45
            -9
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            it would be very interesting to know what Alexander Sergeevich would have said today :)))

            Would criticize the regime from emigration. Throughout his adult life he tried to escape from Russia and dreamed of Paris
            1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
              Andrey Krasnoyarsky 25 July 2020 15: 47
              +7
              Vysotsky had many opportunities to escape. Let me remind you that those who suffer from forgetfulness have traveled abroad more than once, not only to socialist countries, but also to the West. Was in Germany, France, USA. Who could prevent him from announcing that, they say, they are pursuing me, a progressive artist, I want to go to a truly free world? I assure you, he would have been received with a bang. By the way, the KGB was afraid that he would do so. But Vladimir Semenovich did not even make a weak attempt to stay, because he was not going to stay. And for what it is still worth respecting - nowhere and never poured dirt on his Fatherland, although he did not like everything in this Fatherland.
              1. Liam
                Liam 25 July 2020 16: 27
                -3
                My colleague and I are kind of about Pushkin and not about Vysotsky
              2. Freeman
                Freeman 25 July 2020 18: 27
                +5
                Quote: Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                Vysotsky had many opportunities to escape. Let me remind you that those who suffer from forgetfulness have traveled abroad more than once, not only to socialist countries, but also to the West. Was in Germany, France, USA. Who could prevent him from announcing that, they say, they are pursuing me, a progressive artist, I want to go to a truly free world? I assure you, he would have been received with a bang. By the way, the KGB was afraid that he would do so. But Vladimir Semenovich did not even make a weak attempt to stay, because he was not going to stay. And for what it is still worth respecting - nowhere and never poured dirt on his Fatherland, although he did not like everything in this Fatherland.


                They tell about such a case

            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 July 2020 16: 01
              +8
              Quote: Liam
              All his adult life, he strove to escape from Russia and dreamed of Paris

              But the evil communists did not let Pushkin go abroad :))))))))))))))
              1. Liam
                Liam 25 July 2020 16: 42
                +2
                You are not very familiar with your everything)

                Letter to P.A.Vyazemsky, May 27, 1826 from Pskov to St. Petersburg)

                Of course, I despise my fatherland from head to toe - but I am annoyed if a foreigner shares this feeling with me. You who are not tied, how can you stay in Russia? if the king gives me a settlement, then I will not stay a month.

                We live in a sad age, but when I imagine London, cast-iron roads, steam ships, English magazines or Parisian theaters and "brothels" - then my deaf Mikhailovskoe makes me sad and furious. In the fourth song of Onegin, I depicted my life; someday you will read it and ask with a sweet smile: where is my poet? in him the talent is noticeable - you will hear, dear, in response: he fled to Paris and will never return to damned Russia - oh yes, clever
                .
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 25 July 2020 17: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: Liam
                  You are not very familiar with your everything)

                  You wrote
                  Quote: Liam
                  I would criticize the emigration regime.

                  I noted that no one bothered him to emigrate. But he did not emigrate then - so what makes you think that he emigrates now? :)))
                  Quote: Liam
                  If the king gives me a settlement, then I will not stay for a month.

                  Do you think they will give him a settlement today? :)))))))
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 25 July 2020 18: 09
                    +2
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    nobody bothered him emigrate

                    Seriously?)
                    Then you are not only little familiar with the biography of Pushkin and why he could not leave Russia, but you are not at all familiar with the history of the theme of the ban on emigration. Especially during the period of Nicholas I. Read at your leisure.
                    https://newtimes.ru/articles/detail/28646
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 July 2020 12: 00
                      +2
                      Quote: Liam
                      Then you are not only little acquainted with Pushkin's biography and why he could not leave Russia

                      Well, I agree - I was wrong
                    2. Senior seaman
                      Senior seaman 26 July 2020 14: 41
                      +2
                      Colleague, ask me to interfere, but you said:
                      All my adult life he sought to escape from Russia and dreamed of Paris

                      Are you firmly convinced that Alexander Sergeevich's "conscious life" began at the age of 26?
                      For it follows from your exile quite unequivocally that under Alexander the Blessed there were no difficulties with the nobility abroad. This is not to mention the fact that he graduated from the lyceum not to some ministry of appanages, but quite to himself in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And with a fervent desire, and the existing connections, he could well secure a place for himself, if not in Paris, then at one of the German courts, their benefit is immeasurable there.
              2. Sklendarka
                Sklendarka 25 July 2020 20: 37
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Quote: Liam
                All his adult life, he strove to escape from Russia and dreamed of Paris

                But the evil communists did not let Pushkin go abroad :))))))))))))))

                ... are needed in Paris, like skis in a sauna ...
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 26 July 2020 06: 51
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Which does not at all shake the well-known truth: Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin is the greatest Russian poet, who has no equal yet.

          To whom, as funny as it sounds, the Bolsheviks did it by teaching the population to read and write ...
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 29 July 2020 02: 30
        +1
        hi let me just read my thought
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        personally to me Vysotsky is much closer than Pushkin

        And also agree with my colleague
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        The article is good .... an overkill: Pushkin is above everyone else!
        And Vladimir Vysotsky .... Eternal memory and peace to his restless soul!

        to keep, this is an honorable thing too ...
    2. Split
      Split 25 July 2020 15: 48
      0
      It is useless to compare different eras ... Vladimir is the Pushkin of our era. When I feel bad, I don’t read Pushkin Eugene Onegin, but listen to him ... one chess tournament is enough to get out of the depresnyak (I mean the honor of the chess crown)
  • shinobi
    shinobi 25 July 2020 12: 04
    +6
    Well, I don’t know. Vysotsky, of course, talent, but I didn’t notice a special rebellion against the current government. He rather rebelled against his entourage, the “bohemians” of that time. Various kinds of majors and other parties equally distant from both the government and the people. Respect how Great, but I would not write down as fighters against the regime.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 July 2020 06: 44
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      But I didn’t notice a special rebellion against the current government. He rather rebelled against his entourage, the "bohemians" of that time.

      Why did he have to fight with the ginger?
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 26 July 2020 10: 34
        0
        Have you read the article, or just the comments to it?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 26 July 2020 10: 48
          0
          Well, the article about "fighting the regime" seems to contain nothing ... that's why the question is ..
          1. shinobi
            shinobi 27 July 2020 01: 17
            0
            Inattentively read. I don't like the first paragraph, the Russian phenomenon is the second paragraph. Well, and the general context.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 July 2020 16: 41
              0
              Well, if the "general context" then - "favorite song -" Get up, the country is huge ", and the most remarkable historical figures - Lenin, Garibaldi."
              But in the tabloid press someone wrote, but the author himself does not think so ... So why did he have to fight? For the fact that they were allowed to change Mercedes for "fabulous fees"?
  • Alexander Sosnitsky
    Alexander Sosnitsky 25 July 2020 12: 47
    +2
    I am the prophet, but no one listens to me. There is something in Vysotsky. as in Soviet people, but no more. I love Caruso, Yesenin, ordinary working people, patriots of all nationalities, but there is no need to deify. Holy things in people are manifested through sin
  • serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 25 July 2020 13: 16
    0
    I want to answer all detractors of Vysotsky - you make * glory *, trying to spoil the Genius! Yuri Vizbor- * answered you long ago, and those who were not given out by the god of talent, only by this assert their presence, trying to bite the feet of the giant *, but you will never understand the main thing - because there are spots on the Sun, it never ceases to be the Sun! We will all be forgotten! ALL! even those whose names do not get out of the media now! and he will be remembered as long as there is at least one person in the Universe who knows Russian! and in hundreds of years people will turn to His verses and find what is written about THEM!
    It was so - I loved and suffered!
    It was so - I only dreamed of you!
    I saw you secretly in a dream as an Amazon on a white horse!
    That I had all the wisdom of boring books when I could fall to the traces of your lips!
    I hope Vladimir Semyonovich is not offended by me for the fact that I slightly changed his poems for a declaration of love that was late for a lifetime ,,,
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 25 July 2020 13: 27
    +8
    Vladimir Semenovich was neither a dissident, nor an anti-Soviet. If he wrote satirical songs about some phenomena of Soviet reality, it is not anti-Soviet, since even the authorities did not deny the ridiculed phenomena. But he was not a lizun, who enthusiastically sang his own party and the next dear and beloved leader. For this, the people respected him. Including for this. But first of all - for the songs, where he sang what he wanted and considered it necessary to sing, and not what was indicated above. And for roles in theater and cinema. One touch: in the cult film, the Meeting Place cannot be changed (based on the Weiners' novel Era of Mercy), the main positive character is Sharapov, and Zheglov is, as it were, his antipode. But the Soviet audience respected Vysotsky's Zheglov more than the correct and positive Sharapov.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 25 July 2020 13: 40
    +4
    Yes, time flies like fastidious horses. Everything seems to be like yesterday the Olympics -80, preparation for the entrance exams to the technical school, the death of Vysotsky, and for 40 years down with his sixties, and sometimes his joints creak. and in the morning get out of bed early in the scrap, but listen:
    "The breath is deep, the arms are wider,
    Take your time three or four ... ", and life sparkled with new colors.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 25 July 2020 14: 48
    -7
    Now, in our age of matter, the victory of the "golden calf" and hedonism, it's hard to believe, but Vysotsky
    , who went on a tour in the United States in those years and changed Mercedes like socks (there were several such cars in Moscow then), would fit very organically into the modern Pugachev-same-age get-together. Vysotsky is a glamorous major of his time, who got away with all his vodka and cocaine antics because of the popularity of the blata. As a person who loves his songs very much, I am glad that Vysotsky did not live up to our days, otherwise he would now sit in Edra and together with Tereshkova, suck up to the bunker zero.


    1. Sgt.
      Sgt. 25 July 2020 15: 48
      +1
      I think that some people identify Vysotsky's personality and his roles in films and songs, and not only Vysotsky ... And this is a big mistake!
    2. Cap.nemo58rus
      Cap.nemo58rus 25 July 2020 19: 30
      +2
      If I could put two minuses, I would put them. Vysotsky and major are antonyms. Due to your age, you will hardly understand this.
  • Freeman
    Freeman 25 July 2020 15: 10
    +6
    Quote: Sergeant
    So Vysotsky at that time was treated kindly by the authorities. Otherwise, there would not have been those roles in films and theatrical productions in which he played.

    Well, this "phenomenon" is easy to explain.

    Despite the fact that the country's leadership (I mean the party-bureaucratic apparatus), more and more closed itself in the framework of the caste of "nomenklatura" - while, for the most part, they have not yet come only from this circle. Many of them still remembered that they had come out of the “lower classes” and, to some extent, still retained their connection with the “people”.

    And since the "social elevators" were still working, even though they were bad, there was constant competition within this "caste". And the "system" was constantly striving to bring everything "to a common denominator."

  • Split
    Split 25 July 2020 15: 43
    +2
    You are not consciousness, you have lost your conscience. Order in the country is measured not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them (c)
    ----------------------------------------
    My uncle buried Vladimir ... since childhood I listened to his songs and, of course, exercise :)
  • Million
    Million 25 July 2020 15: 53
    +5
    In his youth he was very fond of Vysotsky's songs. I still remember some of them by heart. But he was never an idol for a number of reasons.
  • Smoke
    Smoke 25 July 2020 17: 55
    +2
    when I got to the "mystical Russian" I was waiting for everything about Hyperborea and Slavic Aryans ... Samsonov is not finalizing ....
    zs Eh, how would a song about Samson's Slavic-Aryan Hyperborean triangle sound now)))
  • Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 25 July 2020 18: 26
    +2
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Vestnik
    And they will listen to more than one generation, they touch the strings of the soul to the chills and a lump in the throat.

    The world has changed, so have values. It is unpleasant and disgusting to see people who approve of Vladimir Semyonovich Vysotsky, the adepts of the democrats minus. Disgusting!

    Well, if they do minus, where is your heartache already so? Someone gives someone a plus, someone on the contrary is a common thing, Tyrnet. I rolled over you plus, for the sake of consolation.
  • BAI
    BAI 25 July 2020 19: 45
    +1
    During the Olympics, everything happened. We were returning by train from a volleyball match, when suddenly the receiver received a message (about 9-10 pm) "Vysotsky is dead." I didn't even believe my ears right away.
  • Poetry
    Poetry 25 July 2020 19: 48
    +2
    I know most of His songs by heart since my early youth. It is not often that such a Human is born into the Light.
    Such people are not forgotten. Never.

    Not the one who is taller than two.
    Great is one in whom there is a great Spirit ...
  • Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 25 July 2020 19: 58
    0
    Do not make yourself an idol.
  • Status
    Status 25 July 2020 20: 12
    0
    40 years after the Great Man, a poet with a capital letter, died. Due to the grace of years, I could not see or listen to him (well, or almost could not). But gradually, seeing what the parents are listening to, understanding and passing through his songs, you begin to realize what scale his Personality was!
    1980 was first associated with the year of his death, and only then - with the 80 Olympics.
    What can I say, everything has already been said.
    Everlasting memory...
  • Olegi1
    Olegi1 25 July 2020 21: 19
    0
    Article minus, flat.
    For me, Vysotsky is a modern Pushkin. I often listen and, as about me, about life situations are sung. And, in his songs, I find a way out.
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 01: 55
    -1
    Well, let's tell the truth about Vysotsky. The first and not very disagreeable news - he was a drug addict. And there is nothing you can do about it - he is a drug addict. Second, if someone thinks that he is a silvery person ... he drove around Moscow in his personal Mercedes. What is it like? The whole country listened to his songs about the truth, etc. is he on a Mercedes? And third, he is a great poet, for that you can forgive him everything. As a singer he is not who, but he is a POET with a capital letter.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 July 2020 05: 24
      0
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      The first and not very disingenuous news - he was a drug addict

      So - to ban Bulgakov ...
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      drove around Moscow in a personal Mercedes

      Mayakovsky we prohibit the same ...
      And yes, what's wrong with Yesenin ...
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 05: 47
        +2
        I do not understand you, what does Bulgakov and Yesenin have to do with it? And why forbid? They talked about Vysotsky, and he is a drug addict - it's true, but this does not detract from his other virtues. I'm just telling the truth, someone doesn't want to know it, and someone just doesn't like it - how is your idol of a drug addict.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 26 July 2020 05: 51
          +1
          Well, someone has an "idol" Bulgakov - a drug addict, someone has Yesenin - a drunk ... And Mayakovsky won in general on public money in America. And what did this "truth" affect?
          Not well, some of course a balm for the soul - but he is a drug addict (drunk) ...
          PySy Ysho about the drunk Sholokhov it was necessary ...
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 05: 55
            0
            Believe me, I’m not a balm at all, I really like his poems, but it’s the poems, and not these shabby songs. "I'm a Cheshire cat, not one who scratches his tongue.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 26 July 2020 05: 57
              +1
              Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
              Believe me, I’m not a balm at all, I really like his poems, but it’s the poems, and not these shabby songs.

              Nua someone songs, and someone roles in a movie ... and what should everyone look up to you?
              1. Sergey Averchenkov
                Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 06: 12
                0
                You shouldn't look up to me, I am me and this is my opinion. You can think differently.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 26 July 2020 06: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                  Well, let's tell the truth about Vysotsky.

                  Well then, and with "Well, let's tell the truth about Vysotsky." do not shake at every corner ... Moreover, this is no secret to anyone ..
                  And in the movies, he also has "shabby" songs? Or drug addicts ... Or do you selectively approach listening to his songs?
                  1. Sergey Averchenkov
                    Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 06: 28
                    0
                    Well, it's true that he's a drug addict. Do you dare to say otherwise? I don't shake it around every corner - I just speak the truth. You are right in the movies, he's done well. I am selective. I like his poetry, but otherwise ...
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 26 July 2020 06: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
                      Do you dare to say otherwise?

                      Where do I dare? Show?
                      mat-vey (Matvey) Today, 06:20
                      ... Moreover, this is not a secret to anyone ..
                      The same "selective"?
                      1. Sergey Averchenkov
                        Sergey Averchenkov 26 July 2020 09: 36
                        0
                        No, inescapably. And in general, I shouldn't have started this conversation - sorry.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 26 July 2020 05: 15
    +2
    "Vladimir Vysotsky has never been a corrupt liberal dissident, as many would like." - so how then did you get into the ranks of talcum powder?
  • Mwg
    Mwg 26 July 2020 12: 49
    0
    Lived brightly - like a meteor flew
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 26 July 2020 16: 22
      +1
      bright is yes. In words - emotions, the search for truth, the glorification of courage. Drugs, bohemian parties - in fact. And in the USSR, many honest people considered him a bawler. In Russia, it is customary for a man's words to be confirmed by deeds. Therefore, he is such a controversial person. "About the dead, or good or only the truth." There are still enough intelligent poets in Russia, but only TV, concert halls are forbidden territory for them.
  • muham
    muham 26 July 2020 19: 18
    0
    We'll have to remind you, with an anecdote:
    Monya Rabinovich comes home from school in tears:
    - Mom, they called me a Jewish face!
    - Get used to it, son, you will be a Jew’s face at school, at the institute, at graduate school ... But when you receive the Nobel Prize, you will be called a great Russian scientist!
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 26 July 2020 23: 30
    0
    It doesn't matter how we identify him ... it does matter that his work is relevant now !!;!
    After all, the actual nichrome has not changed ... Only worse .. (("I would have got up, looked, and lay down .. '!
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 27 July 2020 14: 01
      0
      Vysotsky is a Russian Beatle - a whole generation of the 70s imitated the Beatles without seeing their own Beatle right in front of their eyes ... But of course, with an amendment - Russia has its own road in music, so Vysotsky is definitely not a copy of the Beatles but an equal genius ...

      In one year Lennon and Vysotsky passed away and the progressive world lost a lot - there were more lies and all sorts of inflated small things and nuggets on the stage !!!
  • Jünger
    Jünger 27 July 2020 22: 43
    -1
    Vladimir Semyonovich had one significant minus - Jewish blood. In Russia, this is a big jamb, maybe that's why he tore his soul - it's hard to carry two mutually exclusive principles in the body.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 28 July 2020 09: 45
      -1
      Quote: Junger
      Vladimir Semyonovich had one significant minus - Jewish blood.

      So what ??? In Russia, many have a Jewish admixture in one tribe or another ... What of this ??? Soviet Jews are part of the USSR - and today they are part of Russia ... During the Soviet era, Jews worked in factories on a par with other peoples, fought on the fronts of the Second World War, raised virgin lands ...

      But yes, the Jews have one advantage - they are more sociable and know how to make a career and trade much better than the Slavs - this is at the level of their genes ... And now what ??? Well, different peoples inhabit the post-Soviet space - they are different to the core and all have their pros and cons ... But the Chukchi graze deer better than the Jews ...))
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 28 July 2020 10: 02
        -1
        Somehow I do not want to go into the polemic that the USSR is not Russia. These are different states with different people and ideologies. For centuries, Jews have been ideological enemy number one in Russia with many restrictions on their rights. In the USSR ... Yes, everyone knows what is in the USSR and who created it.
        In Russia, the Vysotskys Jews were people of grade three and lived outside the line, in the USSR they drove into the capital.
        Quote: Selevc
        In Russia, many have a Jewish admixture in one tribe or another ..

        I sympathize, but these are not Russians already. I don’t, and that’s enough.
        Quote: Selevc
        But yes, the Jews have one advantage - they are more sociable and know how to make a career and trade much better than the Slavs - this is at the level of their genes.

        Yes, everyone has advantages, but you will not register gypsies in your apartment to the detriment of yourself, because they dance and sing better than you? The Jews are an absolutely alien people to the Russians, and they let them in here purely out of mercy.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 28 July 2020 10: 19
          +1
          Quote: Junger
          The Jews are an absolutely alien people to the Russians, and they let them in here purely out of mercy.

          Jews are closer to Russians than the same Caucasian and Tatar Muslims who are also full in Russia and Moscow has always been full ...
          Quote: Junger
          Somehow I do not want to go into the polemic that the USSR is not Russia.
          The USSR is not Russia - it is steeper than Russia - much steeper, in particular, in resolving ethnic issues !!! Steeper than that tsarist rotten Russia of Nicholas and with modern Russia does not even make sense to compare !!!
          Quote: Junger
          I sympathize, but these are not Russians already. I don’t, and that’s enough.
          How can you not understand at last - well, there is no 100% purebred Russians in nature - as there are no Italians, there are no Germans !!! THERE ARE NO SUCH PEOPLES !!!
          There is a set of peoples inhabiting the East European Plain, which at a certain stage in history united and called themselves Russians !!! Absolutely the same thing happened in France, in Germany in Italy - at the end of the Middle Ages when nations appeared !!! Therefore, calling oneself a purebred Russian is just a sign of a limited mind and just stupidity !!!
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 28 July 2020 10: 54
            -2
            Quote: Selevc
            USSR is not Russia - it is cooler than Russia

            I sympathize with you - such coolness is covered, only Jews are left of it. Hold on to them like a written bag smile
            1. Selevc
              Selevc 28 July 2020 11: 29
              0
              Quote: Junger
              I sympathize with you - such coolness is covered, only Jews are left of it.

              Firstly, it did not cover itself - the peoples of the USSR remained and they did not go anywhere !!! Secondly, I am not going to hold on to the Jews - but unlike you like you, I clearly understand that the Jews have their advantages and this nation has a lot to learn from all the Slavs ... At least their solidarity is just the quality that the current stage is absent or almost absent in many Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.

              Separately, I want to note that it seems like a non-Russian Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili did more for Russia than all the previous ones, like the Russian tsars put together in 100 years !!! And it seems like a Russian tsar - with an absolutely Russian surname Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov betrayed his country at the most difficult moment of the 1st World War and with his abdication from the throne struck millions of Russians who fought for him in the back !!! These are the national paradoxes of history !!!
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 28 July 2020 11: 48
                -1
                Quote: Selevc
                At least their cohesion is just the quality that at the current stage is absent or almost absent in many Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.

                It is absent, also because it was the USSR that sharply demarcated them into Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. And forced into the national languages. And he was worn with the Jews as with a written sack.
                Quote: Selevc
                And it seems like a Russian tsar - with an absolutely Russian surname Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov betrayed his country

                He could not betray her in principle, since he was her complete master. It is like a peasant betrayed his cowshed, he created it and can betray, sell and kill. You do not understand the principle of monarchy. The king does not owe anything to anyone. And the pot does not judge the potter.
                Well, everything is clear with you, so the conversation is useless. Glory to the CPSU! hi
  • fider
    fider 28 July 2020 08: 26
    0
    https://gordonua.com/tags/zapiski-byvshego-podpolkovnika-kgb/p2.html
  • DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 28 July 2020 19: 26
    -1
    About 5 years ago I had a dream.
    Volodka is sitting on a radiator (???) with a guitar in his hands.
    I ask him: "Volodya, sing something new ...".
    And he sings:
    "Oh, you are my nights, nights are ice floes.
    Oh, you are a half of my life,
    Oh, you are the degree of my complicity,
    Ah, I should live ... until communion ... "
    And then I woke up ...
    I respect, I love ... I can not tell.
  • Tota
    Tota 29 July 2020 08: 31
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    "... But people all stood and murmured
    After all, people want justice
    But how can it be, because we were the first,
    And those who are behind us are already eating. "
    Vysotsky wrote these lines for the bohemian that surrounded him
  • candidate
    candidate 31 July 2020 18: 21
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    ... Poet-rebel, folk genius
    I sang with my soul for generations ...
    And he left us his order:
    Love and live not for show!
  • PVM
    PVM 14 September 2020 09: 20
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    Unfortunately, unlike A.S. Pushkin and Yu.M. Lermontov, who wrote the whole life measured by God, V.S. Vysotsky was subject to life-burning vices, like S. Yesenin and V. Shukshin. But to each his own.
  • Olga Leonidovna
    Olga Leonidovna 22 October 2020 12: 38
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    The further time moves, the more clearly Vysotsky's prophetic gift is seen, this is for centuries, like Pushkin.