Russia finally denounced the agreement on the Kazakh radar station "Balkhash"

The Federation Council approved a law on denunciation of the agreement with Kazakhstan on the terms of transfer and on the procedure for further use of the Kazakh radar "Balkhash" in the Russian Missile Attack Warning System (EWS). Earlier, a similar decision was made by the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

Thus, Russia completely refuses to use the Kazakhstani "Balkhash" hub in the Russian early warning system, Russian property will be removed from its territory. At the same time, it is specified that Russia will continue to fulfill its obligations and will continue to supply Kazakhstan with information on launches of ballistic and cruise missiles.

As previously reported, the need for the Balkhash radar has disappeared after the introduction of the newest Voronezh-M radar near the city of Orsk in the Orenburg region. The new Russian radar has a detection range of up to 6 thousand kilometers, covers the Balkhash radar sector, thereby actually replacing it. After Voronezh was put into operation, Russian President Vladimir Putin decided to abandon the operation of the Kazakh hub.

The Kazakhstan node "Balkhash" in the Karaganda region, which includes the Dnepr radar, is used in the Russian missile attack warning system (SPRN) on the basis of an intergovernmental agreement of December 14, 1994. The last time the agreement was renewed in December 2014.

In the spring of 2017, after the commissioning of three Voronezh radars at once in Orsk, Barnaul and Yeniseisk, it was announced that a continuous radar field had been created in Russia to protect the territory from a possible threat of a missile attack.

Comments

[Same lech]

How many resources were invested in the construction of the radar station in the territories of the former Soviet republics ... the customers of the political risks in these republics did not take into account ... I hope there will be no more such costly mistakes in the future.

[Invoce]

Quote: The same Lech

How many resources were invested in the construction of the radar station in the territories of the former Soviet republics... the customers of political risks in these republics did not take into account ... I hope there will be no more such costly mistakes in the future.

Everything is changing ... At that time this (the construction of an early warning missile system outside the Russian Federation) was necessary, and it was worth it even under the USSR, no one foresaw the collapse of the Union.
SPRN "Balkhash" is already outdated "a little" for 10-15 years. It is unprofitable to keep it even from the point of view of consumed email. energy and rental fees. Moreover, an early warning system was built and put into operation in Orsk, Usolye-Sibirskiy, Armavir ... this is in the south ... they duplicate Balkhash and are cheaper

[rocket757]

The object is old. I had to work there like that ... 40 years ago.
There the "car" was "BESM 6", that's really a ferrite whistle!

[Serg koma]

Quote: rocket757

I had to work there like that ... 40 years ago.

I had to serve there, so ... 40 years ago
It's a pity, even realizing that the complex is outdated, the years have passed, and we have aged (like "Dnepr") .......... - but the road to young and new technologies

[rocket757]

Well, yes, the road for the young, and the peaceful sky of the Motherland will be controlled, guarded by other equipment ... this road is endless.

[Serg koma]

Quote: rocket757

... this road is endless.

Quote: Aviator_

42 years ago counted on BESM-6

Quote: Private-K

And my mother, at the beginning. 80s, they were sent there on a business trip

...
We are not created
For easy ways
And this habit
Our children.
We are leaving with them
Towards the winds
Towards the winds
We will never grow old.

And the years fly by
Our years fly like birds.
And we have no time
Look back.

Evgeny Dolmatovsky, from Ph.D. "Volunteers"

[Aviator_]

42 years ago I counted on the BESM-6 for a mine launch of a rocket in my diploma. Received a diploma for the best thesis.

[rocket757]

It was a funny "car", a whistle!
Several of these had to be modernized .... and then changed to "Elbrus".

[Aviator_]

And we did not wait for Elbrus - glasnost, perestroika, acceleration ... Who knew the direction of this acceleration?

[rocket757]

ELBRUS 1 and 2, put, but with 3 was not ah. Times have begun quite dashing.

[Private-K]

Quote: rocket757

I had to work there like that ... 40 years ago.

ABOUT! And my mother, at the beginning. 80s, they were sent there on a business trip - she worked as a draftsman-secretary at the DMZ. She says that her workplace was there, it was in a tightly closed room, but with air conditioning!

[rocket757]

There were seconded ... if not more, then not much less than the permanent staff.
There were whole hostels there were young specialists, girls, young women, and around the "dances were arranged" by young lieutenants and other officers, because there were local girls there .... well, not ice at all!
I think your Mom could tell about it.
It was a good time. We were young.
Best regards

[hydrox]

You yourself are the word!
BESM-6 was a THING even when the IBM / 360 was still being designed, and this machine was killed only because it really interfered with the design and patent decisions of our liberda from MEP and MRTP to be placed under the Yankes in the 70s.
With the same they killed Lebedev.
Therefore, the EU series died as soon as it was born.

[rocket757]

We replaced BESM with ELBRUS.
More compact, higher performance ....
By the way, it whistled no less, the cooling system was powerful ... but it was no longer called a whistle.

[hydrox]

We put Elbrus in Samara ...
They killed automatic power supplies :: everywhere (except for motorists) they are turned on by moving UP, and in Elbrus they were turned on by moving DOWN

[rocket757]

Our geography of work was larger. In academies of sciences, at facilities, at bases, on ships ...
So sho most of the service, and then in civilian life spent on business trips.
There is no regret, the country has traveled far and wide.

[hydrox]

It was in Samara that we set up a command post from Nudoli (I don't remember what it was called then) ...

[rocket757]

I have not been to Samara on this topic. Each group had its own list of objects and approvals.
Then, as far as I remember, there were at least two ... directions. GPTP and Yakhont, from which we worked. However, it was a long time ago, now I can't remember everything.

[credo]

Quote: The same Lech

How many resources were invested in the construction of the radar station in the territories of the former Soviet republics ... the customers of the political risks in these republics did not take into account ... I hope there will be no more such costly mistakes in the future.

As you understand, the mistake was not that these radars were built in the union republics of the USSR, but that a time bomb was planted in the Constitution of the USSR in the form of the presence of such republics and their right to secede from the USSR.
As for "... costly mistakes ..." in the future, we, as ordinary citizens of Russia, do not know on what conditions military bases have been built and now exist in Armenia, Abkhazia, Kyrgyzstan, Syria and some other countries of the world, so about Possible material losses, we can find out after the fact, when suddenly any party receiving our bases does not want to take them away with the Russian property available there.

[U-58]

A bomb is a bomb. We are all strong in hindsight. How it is heated, if you knew where you would fall, you would lay the straws ..
This "atovny bonba" could be defused at least 2 times.
After the Second World War, when the country was strong and united as never before and in the era of developed socialism, when the concept of the dictatorship of the proletariat was replaced by a state of the whole people and a new historical community “the Soviet people” was formed.
The liquidation of the "Soviet republics" would have gone easier than a knife through butter.
But ... history cannot be rewritten and it will go its own way, according to its own, not yet known laws ..

[Private-K]

Quote: U-58

could be neutralized at least 2 times.

Once - in the late 40s - early. 50s.
Actually, there is an opinion that Stalin was going to do this. But there was ...
But Khrushch, the real heir of the "revolutionary ideas" (tm), has deliberately and fundamentally increased the importance of the "union republics" - all, of course, except the RSFSR. And in general, he carried out assertive decentralization in some of the most important areas.
After Khrushch's actions, it was possible to return the situation only partially.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: U-58

This "atovny bonba" could be defused at least 2 times.

It was impossible. Since in the USSR there was nowhere to attach greedy and power-hungry fools, the good party took this concern upon itself. Authorities were created that were not at all necessary to govern the country, but which allowed local elites to live freely and play competitive games with each other, who were specially raised along ethnic lines.
The USSR absolutely did not need any republics. But the Central Committee and the rest of the party elite played "power" with pleasure, distributing the common property (mostly earned by the citizens of the Russian Federation) to those "national cadres" who brought more baksheesh to Moscow and licked them more talentedly.
A pleasant and relaxed life. After all, socialism, and then communism, will build themselves. Well it is "omnipotent, because it is true", but for now we will relax a little. And as everything was lost from relaxation, so the people were to blame for them. Not. There was no way to abandon the republics.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: credo

As you understand, the mistake was not that these radars were built in the union republics of the USSR, but that a time bomb was planted in the Constitution of the USSR in the form of the presence of such republics and their right to secede from the USSR.

For this, let's say thanks in unison to grandfather Lenin with his perverted concept of internationalism as the provision of preferences to small nations at the expense of the Russian people.
Most of those who overthrow his monuments now need to pray for him. If not for him, they would have lived in ordinary provinces with a dozen national schools at all, with a single language and a single history. And Moscow would not ask the ultranationalists to return from abroad so that they would write a separate history of the people of a separate republic for state money in state universities.

[yriuv62]

The ignorance of the commentators on VO is simply off scale! All that is capable of is mindlessly repeating the lies of their great leader Putin. And there is not enough brains to understand that Lenin was not an all-powerful autocrat and god. Lenin acted in specific historical and political circumstances and did the maximum of what could then be done, with this even Stalin agreed and did not object. And now the villains who sold the country and their singers are dumping from a sore head to a healthy one!

[Piramidon]

Quote: yriuv62

Lenin acted in specific historical and political circumstances

I will not argue about everything else, but at the expense of nationality policy he had a big flaw. Why did they not please him, Bessarabian, Vilna, Kazan, Kiev, Kurlyandskaya, Livlyandskaya, Taurida, ... and other provinces in the status of provinces (regions)? No, it was necessary to divide Russia into national apartments and give them the right to privileges and independence. As a result, we have what we have.

even Stalin agreed and did not mind

Stalin simply accepted what he accepted and wisely did not muddy the waters. Although it was overwhelmed by too nationally independent show-off. It is a pity that I didn’t get to Nikita in Ukraine and I didn’t completely cleanse Banderaism.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Piramidon

but at the expense of national politics, he had a big mistake

Lenin did not know how to pierce. He used the idea of ​​national self-determination to break up the existing governing structure. He had to give something for the support of his party in the national outskirts? Well he gave it. He had no money, and he was not going to buy anyone, not that idea. So he gave what was - power.
Stalin, too, could hardly hold out until the mid-thirties, there was no time for transformations. Yes, and Stalin was a genius, he masterfully controlled these micro-tops, quarreled them, reconciled, manipulated as he wanted. It was convenient for him. Then they looked at the future differently ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mikhail3

Lenin did not know how to pierce.

An ideal and infallible "superman" who cannot be wrong? Do you deify him too much?

[Mikhail3]

He crushed a huge power under himself and retained power, completely changing the direction of its development, and from scratch. Not a king, not a duke, not a member of the presidential clan. Do you know a lot of such people?

[Pavel57]

Lenin thought in terms of the world revolution. And Stalin thought this way until some time, but fundamentally changed his point of view.

[U-58]

There is no need to scold Comrade so categorically. Lenin.
By the time the USSR was created, he had completed an impossible task.
In 1914, could anyone in the Russian Empire have foreseen the fall of the monarchy and the seizure of power by the people under the leadership of the Social Democrats?
But it happened. Great credit for this belongs to Lenin (but not to Stalin, Trotsky or Martov)
And the entire proletarian world applauded revolutionary Russia.
The world revolution and the worldwide fraternity of peoples were expected from day to day. And the "right of nations to self-determination", realized in the form of the union republics, was more of a ritualistic demonstration action than a reserve for a certain political future.
I repeat, all of us (including me) are strong in hindsight ..

[sevryuk]

There was a right, but there was no law.

[Unknown]

the bomb is understandable. but you don’t think that the withdrawal of Russia from the union republics was strange, more like an escape. the throwing of the Russians who lived there, military naval bases, and airfields, radar stations, all possible training grounds, a lot of military camps, and even equipment. you can also leave in different ways. as they say, when you leave, stay. A bright example of a cube. Americans are not going to leave Guantanamo at all, and on the opinion that Castro, that the current leadership, they do not care, and the world opinion too. national interests. also behaves, both Britain and France, in the former colonies. and if only, forgive me if, but Yeltsin and his inner circle, during the collapse of the union, competently defended the interests of Russia in the former republics. then Russia would still have its bases in the Baltic states as well as in the Caucasus and Central Asia. then the current problems would not exist at all. but alas. there were no such people, and there are none.

[Maikcg]

Well, here's how each of the states begins to exercise their right to sovereignty ... that's when we'll see what happens to their 730 bases abroad. Neither France nor England experienced a collapse of statehood during decolonization in the 20th century. In short, a very weak example. And of course Yeltsin and his entourage, it’s ridiculous, why would they be afraid to defend the interests of Russia if they were ruining it, first the USSR, the next in line and the RSFSR / Russia in person. But he panimaesh got tired in the process, and then something unexpected happened.

[Unknown]

britain, is still in gibraltar, and has no intention of leaving northern ireland. Well, and France, try to say about Martinique, Guiana, etc., and even hint about Corsica, what will she answer? and by the way, these countries have gone through decolonization, and their governments are trashed, while not weak. and even under pressure it was necessary to leave, then the smallest details were negotiated, not to mention the large ones, and it would not even occur to their rulers to squander the inheritance left and right, because "state interests" are inviolable. , there is no one to exercise their right to sovereignty. Whoever shouted, a suitcase is a ship, Europe, for the most part, was destroyed, and a small part was locked in a ghetto, this is the national policy of the civilized world, this is not barbaric Russia, with its religious tolerance.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: credo

a time bomb was laid in the Constitution of the USSR in the form of the presence of such republics and their right to secede from the USSR.

Wah what a smart, young man
What a "time bomb" , if Russia IS THE FIRST PSLA to secede from the USSR?!
12 December 1991, at 13:28, Russia seceded from the USSR.
On December 16, 91, Kazakhstan declared independence.

For clarity..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

How many resources were invested in the construction of a radar station in the territories of the former Soviet Union

Well, after all, it was built under the USSR. Who knew then that everything would turn out this way

I hope there will be no more such costly mistakes in the future.

Well, Russia will definitely not fall apart into regions

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, Russia will definitely not fall apart into regions

In the light of recent events, I am less and less confident in this.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

In the light of recent events, I am less and less confident in this.

What kind of events?
I have never heard of the separation of the Lipetsk region from the Russian Federation

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lipchanin

What kind of events?

Take a look around. Russia is losing more and more common economic space.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Lipchanin

What kind of events?

Take a look around. Russia is losing more and more common economic space.

I looked around. I didn't see anything like that
You'd better tell me, where are the slogans about the separation of various regions from the Russian Federation?

[barin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Take a look around. Russia is losing more and more common economic space

Sorry, you seem to exist in a parallel reality.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: barin

Sorry, you seem to exist in a parallel reality.

Tell me where the round timber goes from the Irkutsk region, for example? Correctly immediately to China. Metal, from Amurstal, until recently went to Japan, if I'm not mistaken, grain from the Kuban remains in the Kuban and goes to Turkey, it is more profitable to sell fish to the Far East to Japan, for example. Gazprom prefers to sell gas abroad, rather than gasify its regions, etc. Fewer and fewer of their own factories remain. For example, we have closed the oldest sugar factory in the Kuban this year. Ask what part of taxes remains in the regions. According to the head of the region in the Federation Council, taxes from the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric power station, for example, remain in the region as much as from a small brewery. And the entire region is tied to trade with China. I in no way call on anyone to secede, moreover, I think that it is criminal, but tell me, is this position of Moscow in relation to the regions correct? Why is it impossible to build enterprises in Russia, but it is necessary to export raw materials abroad?

[Lekov L]

if I am not mistaken, grain from the Kuban remains in the Kuban and goes to Turkey,

You are wrong ... I myself live in the Kuban, at least it is not true in your words, first in the "bins of the motherland", and only then it is much more profitable, and more often not to Turkey.

It is more profitable to sell fish to the Far East to Japan, for example.

This is not good, I agree, but you no longer have faith * (see the first point) and we have more and more Far Eastern fish in the Kuban, though it's a little expensive for me.

Gazprom prefers to sell gas abroad, rather than gasify its regions, etc.

Where is the data? or to crow into the bushes?
I myself was engaged in gasification several years ago, those who are still working there say that the business is progressing, I believe them, I don't know you ...

Fewer and fewer of their own factories remain. For example, we have closed the oldest sugar factory in the Kuban this year.

Where do you have it? In Girey ?, It should have been put on reconstruction for a long time. There is one chimney near the plant management itself, a pre-revolutionary monument to itself ..
Without irony MONUMENT!
And what does Moscow have to do with it? Why is she to blame?
I, as a chief engineer (wait, this is called a technical director in places), two not the smallest enterprises have been restored from the ruins after the "red directors" and I have built another one from scratch (which I am very proud of!),
There is no need for raw materials abroad, this is yesterday, maybe you just didn’t notice - look around, the country has not stepped forward compared to 2000m - it rushed.

Yes, so that there are no insinuations about myself - I fell under the "pension", underwent three operations, unemployed, there is no savings, but I will not whine, you will not wait.
Regards, who understands ..
We have to work, brothers !!!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lekov L

Where is the data? or to crow into the bushes?
I myself was engaged in gasification several years ago, those who are still working there say that the business is progressing, I believe them, I don't know you ...

First, the roosters crow and you, along with them, watch the expressions. Secondly, we have not been able to supply gas in our village for 15 years, and today the head again says that apparently not earlier than in 5 years. The village of Chamlykskaya, more than half of the houses are not supplied with gas, Voznesenskaya is the same, Vladimirovskaya is the same, in villages and farms there are fewer, such as Sokolikhin, Novolabinsky, etc. there is no gas and is not expected, although the pipe is 3 kilometers away. No money is allocated. In Labinsk, not all houses are supplied with gas.

Quote: Lekov L

Where do you have it? In Girey ?, It should have been put on reconstruction for a long time. There is one chimney near the plant management itself, a pre-revolutionary monument to itself ..

No Labinsk, the first line for metal has already been taken out. I don't know anything about Giray.

Quote: Lekov L

You are wrong ... I myself live in the Kuban, at least it is not true in your words, first in the "bins of the motherland", and only then it is much more profitable, and more often not to Turkey.

"Granaries of the Motherland" has long been gone, elevators have long been private, or joint stock companies with muddy interests, if you are not aware. The grain is dried and sent abroad, because it is more expensive there, because the herd in my village, 10 years ago there were more than 100 heads, and now there are less than 20 heads. Today there are about 8 million cows in the Russian Federation, and in 1990 there were about 40 million cows. There is less than 1 cow per 10 people, that is, less than during the war. Who should be fed grain? Pigs after ASF cannot be kept in a private backyard. There are about 10 sheep in the village, nowhere to graze. How do you write "jerked" there? The question is where?

Quote: Lekov L

I, as a chief engineer (wait, this is called a technical director in places), two not the smallest enterprises have been restored from the ruins after the "red directors" and I have built another one from scratch (which I am very proud of!),
There is no need for raw materials abroad, this is yesterday, maybe you just didn’t notice - look around, the country has not stepped forward compared to 2000m - it rushed.

I spent my youth in Armavir. Since 1990, the Electrotechnical Plant where I worked (about 4 thousand people) is closed, Armalit, the same number of workers is closed, ZIM, made unique testing machines, decreased by 90%, if it was not already closed, etc. What are you there restored after the "red directors"? There are no large enterprises in Armavir, except maybe a gas equipment plant. Confectionery shops do not count.

Quote: Lekov L

And what does Moscow have to do with it? Why is she to blame?

The tsar is good, the boyars are bad? It was necessary to study better at school.

Quote: Lekov L

We have to work, brothers !!!

What to work with? A security guard? The seller? A master of nail service? Manufacturing specialties are practically not needed in my region.

[Lekov L]

Sorry did not answer immediately.
I will not point-by-point, I do not see much sense in talking to a subject whose "glass is always half empty". It is easier for him, the subject, to blame everyone for everything than to bend down and pick up the poles, so that later fill it with his own moonshine.
I just want to apologize to your vulnerable soul, which for some reason considers itself a rooster.
Note that I did not suggest this, I used a Russian expression that has been stable since the 19th century, but you so painfully correlated it with the alternatively gifted inmates.
Your right or the experience of someone I know, I don't know.
But calling names is not good, all the same fellow countrymen, God forbid we meet, I would not want to swear.
It's a joy to work at my age and as a security guard - to hold out for retirement. With my principles and education, it is difficult for me to communicate with current owners until their cock pecks (s-also an idiom ), and when he bites again he is guilty - very smart.
But I’m not accustomed to whining, and whiners annoy and enrage.
I just started repairing the balcony instead of grumbling to the whole world, maybe something like that will help you.
So goodbye, if you are interested in write to the "PM", the site allows.
I have the honor

[Rzzz]

Quote: Lekov L

There is no need for raw materials abroad, this is yesterday, maybe you just did not notice -

For example, it's hard for me to miss. At work I see what goes abroad from the southern ports of Russia. Without considering oil transportation, everything is clear there. Purely in terms of general loads: grain of all types, seeds, other agricultural products, oilcakes, etc. Coal, sulfur. Scrap metal. Pig iron. Black and non-ferrous metal rolling. Fertilizers and mineral raw materials such as urea. It is extremely rare - sawn wood (timber, board).
And that's all, in general. There is nothing special to be proud of. Products with minimum added value. There is no finished product at all.

[tolmachiev51]

what a parallelism, especially a reality - for a "mile" it smells of dill !!!

[Interlocutor]

Russia is losing more and more common economic space.

AAAA. He's in crisis again.
Turn off the computer. And the crisis will end. ABOUT YU.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Interlocutor

AAAA. He's in crisis again.
Turn off the computer. And the crisis will end. ABOUT YU.

Hiding your head in the sand won't work for a long time.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: The same Lech

How many resources were invested in the construction of the radar station in the territories of the former Soviet republics ... the customers of the political risks in these republics did not take into account ... I hope there will be no more such costly mistakes in the future.

And not only that. And how many copies are we breaking here about the countries of the former socialist camp? Then it was simply vital to move Western-oriented countries away from our immediate borders after the war, when our country, the entire European part, was in ruins. And the West was already sharpening its teeth on us.
Do not push us further, do not tie up some Europeans, alone against the whole West, and together with the United States we would not have held out for long, alas.
After all, the USSR reached full parity with the West by the mid-70s, and then they began to conclude agreements on arms limitation. And the SPRN stations simply had to be moved away from their borders due to their performance characteristics and capabilities.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: The same Lech

How many resources were invested in the construction of the radar station in the territories of the former Soviet republics ... the customers of the political risks in these republics did not take into account ... I hope there will be no more such costly mistakes in the future.

When these stations were being built, who would have thought that the Union would not become?
Moreover, the building was built by techies, not politicians. Politicians only destroy.

[NordUral]

The techies built where the politicians from the Central Committee and the Politburo indicated.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NordUral

The techies built where the politicians from the Central Committee and the Politburo indicated.

Don't talk nonsense. Do not make the Central Committee and-d-and-o-comrades. The Central Committee only approved the choice of the construction site, which the military technicians indicated to them.

[NordUral]

Exactly ! They could only ruin the Union.

[NordUral]

If only this had not been taken into account! How many enterprises are left behind the cordon, but we ourselves are sitting on beans now.

[cat Rusich]

Alexey, as an example Britain - the base of Akrotiri and Dhekelia (254 square kilometers) form the OVERSEAS TERIORY of Great Britain - Britain "left", but "remained". It happened in 1960 - the USSR had time to study this example.

[da Vinci]

Well, the resources were all-Union, but now everything is correct. It's a pity only for Baikonur.

[ver_]

... and do not hope - the whole history of mankind is a rake run ...

[Invoce]

Kazakhs are trying to sit on 3 chairs, receiving preferences from China, the United States and Russia. At the same time, bending over to the United States. As soon as Kazakhstan does the wrong thing, according to ameroff, problems immediately arise with the accounts of companies owned by citizens of Kazakhstan, and the father of all Kazakhs, Nursultan, flies to the states on a friendly private visit, the problem is solved, Kazakhstan's decisions are corrected! ... More from Baikonur Russia will soon be will refuse!
My acquaintances - those who left Kazakhstan for Russia for permanent residence and who received Russian citizenship are not surprised at this. They say the mentality, Kazakhs!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Invoce

They say the mentality, Kazakhs!

The story was told by a friend I worked with. He is a refugee from Kazakhstan.
I asked him why he left there. So he told me.
There were three friends of them, two Russians, one Kazakh.
You can say they were friends from the cradle.
For each other into fire and water.
And then one day a Kazakh told them that we will drive out all the Russians and then we will live.
On this day, he decided to leave

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lipchanin

And then one day the Kazakh told them that we will drive out all the Russians and then we will live.

Have you noticed that this is happening practically throughout the entire post-Soviet space?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Have you noticed that this is happening practically throughout the entire post-Soviet space?

I have long noticed.
I live with a woman, she left Kyrgyzstan. Russian

[Sergej1972]

You are probably in luck. And so, according to my observation, a significant part of the Russians who came from Kyrgyzstan, for some reason, differs unfavorably from the Russians who came from other countries of Central Asia and from Kazakhstan. There are more drinkers with marginal inclinations among them. I don't even know how to explain this. Although, by the way, the Kyrgyz themselves in this respect also differ from other peoples of Central Asia.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: AlexanderI

I could not sell the apartment, because the locals said why buy if you leave everything anyway, and the container with junk was looted right at the departure station.

My friend managed to sell the apartment and take out his things. It was around 2000.
We have a district in the city where many refugees from Kazakhstan have settled
They told such things, hair on end ...

[Sergej1972]

I talked with people from Kazakhstan, they did not tell any horrors, they talked about the economic reasons for leaving and about the impossibility of career growth due to the advantages for Kazakhs.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Invoce

and the father of all Kazakhs Nursultan flies to the states

So the entire Kazakh budget is there

[Alexander I]

And the country's budget is still personal funds, how not to hurry up

[Shadow041]

It is right. Such radar stations of the Russian Federation need to be on their own territory, so as not to depend on the whims of the independent kings, from the republics of the former union, who are sick with Russophobia

[Thrifty]

It was necessary to build Voronezh on the site of this station, and hundreds of kilometers of distance is also a territory that Russia needs to keep under control. And, since our station is no longer there, now the Chinese will be deployed there, and in time we will regret leaving there.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

It was necessary to build Voronezh on the site of this station,

Well, first of all, there are few of our hotties. The Kazakhs might not have allowed it.
Secondly, do you know how much land rent there costs?
Thirdly, at any time we could simply be asked to leave
Well, there are also 4 and 5, etc.

, then now the Chinese will unfold there with might and main,

What will they do there? There is a bare steppe

and in time we will regret leaving there.

So we left almost a long time ago.
Except for "Baikonur" it looks like there is nothing significant left

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Lipchanin

Except "Baikonur"

For $ 115 million a year .... Until 2050, a lease.

[Lipchanin]

Quote from Uncle Lee

For $ 115 million a year .... Until 2050, a lease.

Therefore, they build "Vostochny"
It seems like Kerzhakov, like his last name, was not mistaken, wrote in his memoirs how ebn in a bathhouse drunk signed an onerous lease agreement.
Once on the network I found a photo from "Baikonur"
Horror and shock. Almost EVERYTHING is plundered and destroyed.
In Odnoklassniki, I accidentally got into a conversation with a woman who lives in Leninsk. This is a small town on "Baikonur"
It turns out that the city is almost gone. Kazakhs plundered and destroyed.
I had to build another nearby. They live there
With me Leninsk was surrounded by thorns and Kazakhs there and did not smell

[Uncle lee]

And they won't make it until 2050.

[Lipchanin]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And they won't make it until 2050.

Quite possible. Paying that kind of money for outdated materiel is expensive

[An64]

Except for "Baikonur" it looks like there is nothing significant left

Sary-Shagan polygon, where we test missile defense missiles and sometimes shoot at it from Kapyar ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: An64

Sary-Shagan polygon, where we test missile defense missiles and sometimes shoot at it from Kapyar ...

I don't know exactly what is left there.
In Soviet times, there were no polygons there ...
Yes, probably we will give up this too

[An64]

Quote: Lipchanin

I don't know exactly what is left there.

Strange, but why do you then write comments on the portal "Military Review" if you do not understand this?
Read the internet at least ...:

NEW EQUIPMENT OF THE RF AF JULY 2, 2019, 05:01 Updated 2 Jul 2019, 05:11
Russian Aerospace Forces successfully launched a new missile defense missile from the Sary-Shagan training ground
The Ministry of Defense reported that the new anti-missile missile hit a conditional target with a given accuracy

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6619130

[Lipchanin]

Quote: An64

Strange, but why do you then write comments on the portal "Military Review" if you do not understand this?

Because this portal is interesting and instructive to me.
I learn a lot
It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to understand all the issues of the site

Read the internet at least ...:

I only read what interests me.
Maybe they noticed, if I'm not sure about something, then I say so.
They tell me, I get information.
Now I know about the landfill

[An64]

Quote: Lipchanin

Because this portal is interesting and instructive to me.
I learn a lot

[_Sergei_]

Voronezh is in Barnaul.

[Ros 56]

It's nice that your city will serve your homeland at least something, since the rest has been ruined.

[Operator]

They closed the radar station, ancient as shit of a mammoth, and they will take out non-ferrous metal (so that the wild Kazakhs do not take it away) - and how much noise around

[An64]

and they will take out non-ferrous metal (so that the wild Kazakhs do not take away)

They have not closed and will not be taken out. By agreement, the radar is Kazakh, ours rented it there. Everything will remain for the Kazakhs, and they will decide to close it or further exploit it with their own calculations.

[Dr. Sorge]

The Kazakhs will definitely give it to the Amers for use.

[Vadim237]

Amers this fucking thing gave up.

[Rusticolus]

By what agreement？ The land under the radar is Kazakh and the radar itself is Soviet. And who is the legal successor of the USSR？ It is clear that they will screw up like everything else. The best they gave me, I would find how to apply. It is only Tatupeds who have no brain.

[seregin-s1]

Served and served honestly. Ave radar "Balkhash"!

[iouris]

"We are leaving ..." And this "movement" began from Afghanistan. Time 5 minutes. Will we have time to reach ...?

[Old26]

Pancake! Yes, correct the title of the note. There is NO such radar station "Balkhash", there is a radar center "Balkhash"

[Imperial Technocrat]

At the same time, it is specified that Russia will continue to fulfill its obligations and will continue to supply Kazakhstan with information on launches of ballistic and cruise missiles.

-Hello, is this Kazakhstan?
Yeah
-I inform you that nuclear ICBMs are flying at you
-Well, thanks for the info: D

[Dr. Sorge]

They will be called Nursultan and handed over to the Americans. Nusultan will not rust.

[tralflot1832]

It’s sad, but someone’s life has passed at this station. And now we’re moving into the unknown. It’s sad.

[Old26]

Quote: Dr. Sorge

The Kazakhs will definitely give it to the Amers for use.

This antiquity? Why does an American need it? Moreover, it is deployed in the direction of China-Japan, and therefore the United States itself?

[boris]

For the information of some ardent patriots. Greatest support
Union at the March 1991 referendum was precisely in
Central Asian republics - up to 99%. The same Nazarbayev
was not in the least interested in the collapse of the Union.
This is almost entirely the Kremlin's fault. Then it went as it went.

[Poetry]

Thank you very much to Kazakhstan for helping us in ensuring our security.

[iouris]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

for helping us

Kazakhstan "did not help us". Kazakhstan is "we".

[Afotin]

Good news. The Kazakhs have recently become a little boozy and it has become costly to keep something on their territory.

[Old26]

Quote: rocket757

There were seconded ... if not more, then not much less than the permanent staff.

So it was like that everywhere. Especially before handing over the product. We worked without paying attention to the time. In the hall, behind the racks of cars, they threw a few mattresses and slept without leaving the workplace. And the management appreciated it.

Quote: tralflot1832

It’s sad, but someone’s life has passed at this station. And now we’re moving into the unknown. It’s sad.

My friend's father served there since the mid-60s, and Sashka himself graduated from high school there (named after Dorokhov), and after college he also served there. But then ... When, at the request of his father, I downloaded photographs of Priozersk, and of some sites, a gray-haired man almost cried, seeing the ruins of what he once served on