The Ministry of Defense intends to extend the flight life of the MiG-31 interceptors

The Russian military department is studying the issue of extending the service life of the MiG-31 supersonic interceptors. This was reported by Izvestia with reference to sources in the Defense Ministry and the defense industry.

As stated, the Ministry of Defense is studying the issue of extending the life of the MiG-31, but the final decision on this issue will be made only following the results of research and development work (ROC).

At the same time, it is reported that R&D has already begun to extend the life of the upgraded MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors. Work on their modernization will take place in two stages: by the end of 2021, tests will be carried out in order to confirm the airframe's resource of 3 thousand flight hours, and in 2022 the resource is planned to be increased to 3,5 thousand hours. The end of the ROC is scheduled for 2022.

The publication writes that all the MiG-31BMs in service were built in the late 1980s - early 1990s and their service life is limited to 2,5 thousand flight hours. The extension of the resource by another 1 will allow the use of interceptors until the mid-2030s.

To maintain the combat readiness of aircraft after the increase in service life, it will be necessary to resume production of key components and assemblies of the D-30F6 engines installed on the MiG-31. In 2018, the company "UEC - Perm Motors" announced its readiness to do this in case of such a need. According to the company, the available stocks of aircraft engines and repair kits for them are enough to operate the MiG-31 in the Aerospace Forces for another 30-40 years.

As noted, the extension of the service life of the MiG-31 will allow them to be kept in service until a full-fledged replacement is created in the form of a "promising long-range intercept aviation complex" (PAK DP or MiG-41).

Comments

[newcomer]

Expected solution. Our "Foxhounds" fly before the appearance of the heir. According to various sources, the PAK DP will take the wing at the end of the 20s. early 30s. biennium

[Alex777]

According to various sources, the PAK DP will take the wing at the end of the 20s. early 30s. biennium

Even if a replacement is developed by this time (which I hope), it will take more time and money to rivet the required number of interceptors.
So the MiG-31 is still flying ...

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: newbie

According to various sources, the PAK DP will take the wing at the end of the 20s. early 30s. biennium

There is no real design. This is a sawing wishlist. There will be no heir for lack of need. The MiG-31 will be quite successfully replaced by the Su-57 and Su-35.
In general, everything is correct - you should not continue to produce a zoo. We already have too many aircraft types in the Air Force. And this all significantly increases the cost of maintaining the Air Force.

[newcomer]

Are you standing with a flashlight and illuminating whatman paper to the designer? The development is being carried out by the MIG Design Bureau. MO gave the green light to the project. Different type due to a lack of resources, not a wishlist, and a single dvigun for DRYING solves this problem. And what's the problem then? Each type of aircraft solves its own range of tasks. And the difference is not in the types of machines, but in the belonging of machines to generations.

[Cyril G ...]

I collect rumors and listen to adequate people ...

[newcomer]

I can advise you to listen to Baba Manka, she sells seeds at the entrance to the bazaar. She then oh and will arm you with rumors, free and adequately.

[Cyril G ...]

Surely you only listen to such people ..... In essence, there is something to say?

[newcomer]

No, I know her listeners, your type.

[Cyril G ...]

Of course yours. In essence, it turns out that you have nothing to say ...

[newcomer]

What do you want to hear, essentially? I have not heard your "essentially" other than moaning about the "zoo". What do you suggest, "essentially that"?

[Cyril G ...]

You are moaning here. Keep yourself in the box
In addition, you should not so clearly demonstrate unwillingness to understand what is written ...

I said the following

Quote: Cyril G ...

The MiG-31 will be quite successfully replaced by the Su-57 and Su-35.
In general, everything is correct - you should not continue to produce a zoo. We already have too many aircraft types in the Air Force. And this all significantly increases the cost of maintaining the Air Force.

What was beyond comprehension from here?
- the tactical radius of the Su-35 is higher
- Su-35 has a non-afterburner supersonic sound, albeit less than that of the MiG, by the way, this is the only parameter for which the MiG is better.
- IRBIS radar is better than the modernized Zaslon-AM
- work on the R-37M suspension for the Su-35 is being carried out, as a result I have no doubts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVC6hmDvtUU

- Perhaps a two-seat version of the Su-35 should be released for air defense. With which there are really no fundamental problems.
Etc.
Designing a specialized interceptor, more nafig than us, is stupidity or cut. Yes, and we need it extremely relatively and hardly more than 150 boards. What's the point?
In principle, the Su-35 can be modified specifically to replace the MiG-31. There is no development from scratch.

[Hexenmeister]

- IRBIS radar is better than the modernized Zaslon-AM

It looks like there will be another upgrade of the Zaslon, the developer is still the same for them, most likely you need to wait and compare with the new version.

[Cyril G ...]

Unlikely. There are no data on modernization in AM. All the same, they did not reach the Irbis and will not reach it. The antenna will not be changed either, if we proceed from the history of the modern Su-27. They offered to change the Cassegrain FAR Perot. But it turned out as usual. "Saved a pancake"

[Hexenmeister]

Let's see, wait

Given that the planned successor
MiG-31 - A promising long-range intercept aviation complex (PAK DP) - can appear in
troops no earlier than a decade later, the institute is working on proposals for further modernization
nization of the MiG-31BM. At the same time, NIIP is already participating in research work under the auspices of the UAC for
shaping the appearance of the PAK DP.

[Cyril G ...]

And Mikoyans are also trying to push through the LFMS. It is unlikely to take off in a shorter time, like the PAK DP and PAK SHA ..
An interesting option, in my opinion, would be the half of the Su-57, a single-engine version. BUT this is so for export.

[newcomer]

Well, yes, in your opinion, to make the 35th certificate profitable, rather than keep the 31st in service ?! You are just a genius of thought: hack it on your nose: neither the 35th, nor the 57th are interceptors. It's clearer this way. Do not lose sight of the fact that the 31st has a number of other tasks in addition to interception. Enough to be clever, don't tell me what and how to keep_ I'll teach anyone myself. If you have nothing to say, then do not engage in the literal behavior typical of Sukhoi club lovers.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: newbie

You are just a genius of thought: hack into your nose: neither the 35th nor the 57th are interceptors. It's clearer this way. Do not lose sight of the fact that the 31st has a number of other tasks in addition to interception.

A rare nonsense. What an illiterate you are. Why illiterate. So the letters in the text can still be folded. But the insanity grew stronger .. Yes .... On this dosvidos - I do not communicate with inadequate boors

[SovAr238A]

Quote: newbie

Well, yes, in your opinion, to make the 35th certificate profitable, rather than keep the 31st in service ?! You are just a genius of thought: hack it on your nose: neither the 35th, nor the 57th are interceptors. It's clearer this way. Do not lose sight of the fact that the 31st has a number of other tasks in addition to interception. Enough to be clever, don't tell me what and how to keep_ I'll teach anyone myself. If you have nothing to say, then do not engage in the literal behavior typical of Sukhoi club lovers.

Stop writing with manuals.
MIG-31 is obsolete at the time of its appearance.

No one needs an interceptor that is not capable of maneuvering air combat.
And the MiG-31, like its prototype, the MiG-25, is a child of the 60s era with its concept of supersonic missile strikes against an armada of huge, low-maneuverable heavy, very noticeable bombers.
Since then, the world has changed.
Air strikes moved to the Fighter-Bomber Aviation segment.
The share of bombers is scanty.
and those bombers that remained became slow-moving and very unobtrusive.
For a war with them, you do not need a fighter with outdated electronics but with a speed of M2,5. M1.5 is enough for such a bomber.
But on the other hand, not a single Mig-31 can cope in close air combat even with the first modifications of the F-16.
Yes Yes. I am speaking now in full detail.
If the F-16 thwarts an attack on it from the MIG-31 by means of electronic warfare, electronic warfare, external towed traps, by its maneuverability, and enters the BVB, then the MIG-31 will inevitably be shot down.
Rockets are not a panacea. This has been said many times.
And our attempts to create super-maneuverable and stealthy aircraft in the form of the MiG-29 OVT, Su-35 and Su-57 are precisely the recognition of the fact that missiles "do not solve all problems."

And the "number of other tasks" you indicated are just two stupid examples from our media.
First stupid example. "interception of cruise missiles" allegedly carried out by the MiG-31.
Firstly, it is possible to intercept the Tomahawk-type missile defense aircraft by the MIG-31 aircraft. But only one per flight. For the MiG-31 as a high-altitude interceptor has a rather weak selection of low-flying targets against the background of the earth. Its entire fuel supply will be spent on just one rocket. And how many Tomahawks are there for 2500 km to the target, the same B-52?
Output.
A waste of resources.

Second stupid example.
flight of a group of 4 MiGov-31 with a front of 1500 km to imitate an AWACS aircraft ...

Have you ever tried to coordinate real combat missions in such a front, taking into account the basing points. fuel formation time and fuel reserves?
They can do it, but only for 5-7 minutes ...
Then the extreme ones will run out of fuel, because the formation of such a front is a very expensive task.

It is much easier to solve it with just one AWACS aircraft.
and much cheaper.
And much better quality ...

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Therefore, MiG-31 is simply obliged to leave as soon as possible.
It should be replaced by the Su-35.
For it is useless in a modern air war, just like any aircraft that came out with ideas from the mid-late 50s.

[mark2]

And how many Tomahawks are there for 2500 km to the target, the same B-52?

That's what the be52 would not release its MiG-31 tomahawks and is needed.
For the F15, the MiG 29 or the same dryers are enough. By the way, and just enough air defense.

Have you ever tried to coordinate real combat missions in such a front, taking into account the basing points. fuel formation time and fuel reserves?

Have you tried it yourself? Happened?

[Alex777]

MIG-31 is obsolete at the time of its appearance.

Well all ...

No one needs an interceptor that is not capable of maneuvering air combat.

Tell it to Lockheed Martin.

And the MiG-31, like its prototype, the MiG-25, is a child of the 60s era with its concept of supersonic missile strikes against an armada of huge, low-maneuverable heavy, very noticeable bombers.

Laughing out loud. The MiG-31 was originally created to combat the mass launch of the CD. Along the way, the SR-71 pushed up to decommissioning.
You say bombers. Armada ...

Air strikes moved to the Fighter-Bomber Aviation segment.

They were always there.

If the F-16 thwarts an attack on it from the MIG-31 by means of electronic warfare, electronic warfare, external towed traps, by its maneuverability, and enters the BVB, then the MIG-31 will inevitably be shot down.

Not every bird will reach the middle of the Dnieper.
I do not know in which state defense order you are participating, but you have completely lost interest in our discussion. Good luck.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

MIG-31 is obsolete at the time of its appearance.

Well all ...

No one needs an interceptor that is not capable of maneuvering air combat.

Tell it to Lockheed Martin.

And the MiG-31, like its prototype, the MiG-25, is a child of the 60s era with its concept of supersonic missile strikes against an armada of huge, low-maneuverable heavy, very noticeable bombers.

Laughing out loud. The MiG-31 was originally created to combat the mass launch of the CD. Along the way, the SR-71 pushed up to decommissioning.
You say bombers. Armada ...

Air strikes moved to the Fighter-Bomber Aviation segment.

They were always there.

If the F-16 thwarts an attack on it from the MIG-31 by means of electronic warfare, electronic warfare, external towed traps, by its maneuverability, and enters the BVB, then the MIG-31 will inevitably be shot down.

Not every bird will reach the middle of the Dnieper.
I do not know in which state defense order you are participating, but you have completely lost interest in our discussion. Good luck.

I didn’t give you a minus ... Another person.
He appreciated your pathos and your knowledge just like that.

But I'm interested. What Lockheed-Martin product are you talking about as incapable of handling BVB?

What role of MIG-31 and SR-71 are you talking about nonsense?
The MiG-31 is not capable of flying with suspended missiles at the speeds of the SR-71.
Not able to. Learn materiel.
All records were made on specially prepared aircraft, without suspensions and pylons.
SR-71 is gone thanks to Keyhole ...
By the way, you may be aware that Hubble, which created almost a million discoveries in the Universe, is all just a first generation "Keyhole" deployed in the opposite direction from the Earth ... ????

And tell us. as a high-altitude interceptor. which flies at low altitude from the word "Iron", purely in terms of its aerodynamics (which is the same as mathematics, not deceived by manuals) - can massively intercept low-flying (flight altitude 30-60m) Tomahawk type CRs on the route ??? Tell us what is the difference between the radar. which were developed 50 years ago, when no one really knew how to make universal radars, especially those capable of selecting targets against the background of the earth ... Or by air. either on the ground.
Nobody could combine.
And ours too.
This, by the way, was the strongest problem for specialists until the advent of the latest generations of AFAR. And the MiG-31 was an interceptor. its radar is sharpened for air.

and so on in everything.

In general, I see. that you have no real arguments, one paphos and a drain ...
Pompous ..

And yes, if you already write "Rzhunemogu" - then write correctly. Albany. So to speak in the fashionable in the middle of 2000 "Padonkavskam language".
And you need to write correctly like this. "Rzhunimagu!"
well it is.
To understand who and what you are writing to ..
If there is reason, you will understand this subtle hint.

[Hexenmeister]

The screen in all modifications perfectly sees air targets against the background of the earth, he does not need ground targets in FIG, and another passing question, how will the ability to detect ground targets affect the quality of air combat? And the answer is known - nothing !!!

[Alex777]

You are absolutely right, but the colleague can only hear himself.

[Lozovik]

Quote: SovAr238A

What role of MIG-31 and SR-71 are you talking about nonsense?
The MiG-31 is not capable of flying with suspended missiles at the speeds of the SR-71.
Not able to. Learn materiel.

Flies a little slower and lower. With MiG-31 missiles, it gives M = 2,83. RLPK and missile armament allow attacking targets with significant overshoot and lagging.

[Lozovik]

Quote: SovAr238A

Stop writing with manuals.
MIG-31 is obsolete at the time of its appearance.

No one needs an interceptor that is not capable of maneuvering air combat.
And the MiG-31, like its prototype, the MiG-25, is a child of the 60s era with its concept of supersonic missile strikes against an armada of huge, low-maneuverable heavy, very noticeable bombers.

The MiG-31 is not just an airplane, an aircraft interceptor missile system. Designed to defeat all types of air targets. Unlike the MiG-25-40, it is capable of being guided not only by ground controllers, but also by air ones, as well as independently.

Quote: SovAr238A

Firstly, it is possible to intercept the Tomahawk-type missile defense aircraft by the MIG-31 aircraft. But only one per flight. For the MiG-31 as a high-altitude interceptor has a rather weak selection of low-flying targets against the background of the earth.

Did you serve as navigator on the MiG-31? Are you fluent in his RLPK? Know the reference heights for attacking different types of targets?

Quote: SovAr238A

And how many Tomahawks are there for 2500 km to the target, the same B-52?

Zero.

[alexmach]

What do you want to hear, essentially? I have not heard your "essentially" other than moaning about the "zoo". What do you suggest, "essentially that"?

Well, it was higher actually

The MiG-31 will be quite successfully replaced by the Su-57 and Su-35.

[ancient]

Quote: newbie

Are you standing with a flashlight and illuminating whatman paper to the designer?

Why are you being rude to a person who tells you the absolute "truth of things"
Even the general director of the MiG corporation, Ilya Tarasenko, gave explanations in the media that ... "..... the MiG designers are currently working on the concept of the project and are working on the appearance of the aircraft. Work is being carried out on an initiative basisbut with the involvement of related organizations. "
Translated into Russian, the stage of "wishes" and "wishes" continues ... no more, especially since there are no "wishes" from the main customer

[newcomer]

Question: where is rudeness here? You clearly have a dubious understanding of this term.

[ancient]

Quote: newbie

The development is being carried out by the MIG Design Bureau. MO gave the green light to the project

You already decide .... or a project or .... proactively ... these are two diametrically proportional positions

Quote: newbie

and a single dvigun for DRYING solves this problem.

Oh how ... "the chicken has not even sat down on the nest .." and you have already solved the problem .... well .. "well done"
We act according to the principle .... "la-la .. this is not to roll bags" or ... "the main thing is to crow, and then ... even a flood"?

[Lexus]

The publication writes that all the MiG-31BMs in service were built in the late 1980s - early 1990s and their service life is limited to 2,5 thousand flight hours. The extension of the resource by another 1 will allow the use of interceptors until the mid-2030s.

Simple arithmetic calculations indicate that with an average annual flight time of 65-70 hours, there cannot be high-class pilots on them. I would like to hear the opinion of a professional. Your.

We act according to the principle .... "la-la .. this is not to roll bags" or ... "the main thing is to crow, and then ... even a flood"?

I just do not attribute this to them. "Sister" lies uncontrollably at every step.

[Imperial Technocrat]

Why are you discussing with ukrobot-404?

[Alex777]

There will be no heir for lack of need. The MiG-31 will be quite successfully replaced by the Su-57 and Su-35.

I'm not ready to agree with you.
Speedy and unobtrusive is a complex combination.
Only our huge country needs a long-range high-speed interceptor. And no one else.
How to repel a CD strike from the North, for example?
Invisibility is not much needed there. What we need: efficiency of target acquisition, a lot of missiles, speed and range.
There are other requirements for the Su-57. Otherwise, it will be gold.

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

How to repel a CD strike from the North, for example?
Invisibility is not much needed there. What we need: efficiency of target acquisition, a lot of missiles, speed and range.
There are other requirements for the Su-57. Otherwise, it will be gold.

To intercept the Su-57 is redundant, the Su-35 is sufficient, and for the North - the Su-30SMT with a new (or AL-41F-1S) engine and an Irbis (or better, a Belka). T or L-shaped pylons will allow you to have a larger number of V-V missiles on the suspensions, for hunting flocks of KR.
The Mikoyan Design Bureau is just looking for a new promising order and ... does not find it.

[Alex777]

You are an experienced person and I appreciate your opinion.
The speed and radius inherent in the MiG-31, IMHO, are necessary for a long-range interceptor. No less than a good radar and suspension pylons.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: bayard

To intercept the Su-57 is redundant, the Su-35 is sufficient, and for the North - the Su-30SMT with a new (or AL-41F-1S) engine and an Irbis (or better, a Belka). T or L-shaped pylons will allow you to have a larger number of V-V missiles on the suspensions, for hunting flocks of KR.
The Mikoyan Design Bureau is just looking for a new promising order and ... does not find it.

That's all right ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

There will be no heir for lack of need. The MiG-31 will be quite successfully replaced by the Su-57 and Su-35.

I'm not ready to agree with you.
Speedy and unobtrusive is a complex combination.
Only our huge country needs a long-range high-speed interceptor. And no one else.
How to repel a CD strike from the North, for example?
Invisibility is not much needed there. What we need: efficiency of target acquisition, a lot of missiles, speed and range.

Look at which airbases of our enemy's long-range bombers - exactly where are ...
Look at how the modern means of long-range reconnaissance determine the massive launches of enemy aircraft
How long will a B-2, B-52 fly from Missouri or South Dakota?
Did you think that hanging nuclear bombs on an airplane is an extremely difficult and completely visible task for the enemy? That by treaties we fully control all the US nuclear arsenals, and they fully control the nuclear arsenals of Russia ... That the nuclear arsenals are at a distance of at least 120 km from the basing point ... That there should be only one single road to the nuclear arsenals ... You are do you know? That the protocol for the deployment of nuclear weapons on bombers takes at least 5 hours ...
Taking into account all factors, it will take at least 12 hours before the start of the "moment of danger".
During this time, you can concentrate any forces in the northern direction.
What then are you talking about a sudden blow from the North?
The whole concept of the American strike from the north was closed by them back in the mid-70s ...
How hopeless.
Too long to fly.
During this time, strikes can be inflicted 3-4 times from Europe, Turkey, Japan, which will cause "irreparable damage" to our country.
It is no longer necessary to destroy our nuclear facilities in the Urals. Without Moscow, they cannot do anything on their own.
The world has changed since the 60s.
Only now our military-industrial complex continues to drive this blizzard, originally from the 60s.
Yes, then it was relevant.
But now. completely pointless.

[Alex777]

You have written a lot correctly. There is nothing about the nuclear submarine. 4 Ohio - 616 KR. And new Virginias are 40. So 12 hours to deploy is hardly ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

You have written a lot correctly. There is nothing about the nuclear submarine. 4 Ohio - 616 KR. And new Virginias are 40. So 12 hours to deploy is hardly ...

I wrote about aviation.
by the way, the nuclear arsenals for the US Navy - exactly at the same distance from the US Navy - are also controlled in exactly the same way.
Any movement of a nuclear warhead, missile, projectile - in peacetime, is mutually controlled extremely carefully. Mutually.

Read START-2, START-3 ...
It's really fun to read.
Pages 10-15, but ...
very interesting and informative.

[Alex777]

Read what Lavrov said about START-3. 1 page.
Do you really consider yourself smarter than others?

I wrote about aviation.

And I'm talking about the CD from the North. There is a difference.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

Read what Lavrov said about START-3. 1 page.
Do you really consider yourself smarter than others?

I wrote about aviation.

And I'm talking about the CD from the North. There is a difference.

CD from the North - who are they really threatening?
Ask yourself a question in the modern era ..
From which North? From the White Sea? Karsky? The Laptev Sea? East Siberian?

What are such strategic objects on the territory of the Russian Federation, whose destruction will lead to the inevitable stop of a country called Russia, which it is vitally necessary to destroy from the North Seas' territory and which cannot be destroyed from Europe, Turkey, Japan, South Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan?

do not multiply entities beyond measure ...
Learn to look at the world much wider than the heads say on the Zvezda TV channel ...

[akarfoxhound]

The MiG-31 cannot be replaced by the Su-35 and 57, from the word - in any way. Very different tasks and performance characteristics are included in them. And the decision to extend the resource is very balanced and timely. We talked about this with KBshniks and factory workers in 2010.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: akarfoxhound

The MiG-31 cannot be replaced by the Su-35 and 57, from the word - in any way. Very different tasks and performance characteristics are included in them. And the decision to extend the resource is very balanced and timely. We talked about this with KBshniks and factory workers in 2010.

How long should the resource be extended?
1000 hours?
Isn't that funny?
The average annual flight time of a pilot must be at least 250 flight hours.
An aircraft such as the MiG-31 must have at least two crews.
Accordingly, their total annual flight time must be at least 500 flight hours.
And what happens?
Or we will have good trained pilots, but they will develop an additional service life in two years ...
Or we will have training theorists (read nonsense), but with the saved glider resource ...
Mathematics is simple.
You can't fool her.
And you can't replace propaganda from training manuals.

The first versions of the F-16 had a guaranteed service life of 8000 flight hours.
The latest version in the form of a Viper - has a motor life of at least 15000 flying hours.

So think for yourself where there will be more "flown" pilots.

[Lozovik]

Quote: SovAr238A

The average annual flight time of a pilot must be at least 250 flight hours.

Fighter 80-100 hours for the eyes of what we have, what they have. More than 200 are made only by instructor pilots.

Quote: SovAr238A

An aircraft such as the MiG-31 must have at least two crews.

Have you appointed it yourself?

Quote: SovAr238A

The first versions of the F-16 had a guaranteed service life of 8000 flight hours.

The originally assigned resource for the F-16A was supposed to be 4000 hours, subject to the operational limitations, but such values ​​were achieved only with the additional limitation ny = 7,3.
Now they are operated according to their technical condition, while they have restrictions on takeoff and landing weights, ny, the number of M and Vpr.

[akarfoxhound]

The most dear "mathematician", when you know the structure, staff materiel, KBP and the necessary raid of a fighter pilot (according to the annual orders and data of the course programs), then I will talk to you, as a colleague, and talk "for numbers", but for now the calories of the muffins count in three racks of McDonald's, I don't know who you are by education, but you "know" 100% of videoconferencing on your computer. I can even comment on your crap for scrap.

[ancient]

Quote: newbie

Expected solution.

The expected decision of "who"? What does it have to do with to renewal of resources the MO has a quote - "... the Ministry of Defense is studying the issue of extending the life of the MiG-31."
Display your "wishes in TTT and TTZ yes ... we want so much and so much ... please get ...
But only the design bureau (according to the conclusion of specialized departments) can ASSIGN the extension of the resource for CERTAIN periods and terms and flights (landings), well, cycles.
And if, according to the results of statistic tests, it turns out that up to 3 thousand "it is not possible at all", but only up to 2,5 thousand hours, then that ..... is no longer needed.
and the statement in the article ... quote ".... Extension of the resource by another 1 will allow the use of interceptors until the mid-2030s." generally indicates that a person in the topic of aviation is not
Since, in addition to the resource, the calendar terms (between overhauls and assigned) are always extended, and within how many more years they will be allowed to operate, this again depends on the results of research, technical expertise and tests

[newcomer]

Because there is nothing to replace, isn't it expected?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: newbie

Because there is nothing to replace, isn't it expected?

Then there is no need to sing the praises of the outdated self ...
You just have to honestly admit that the plane is old, but we have no others ...
And we will not be able to build a replacement in the next 10 years.

[Alex777]

So it's obvious. That's where we started - until something new appears, we will have to fly on something. And about 10 years, too.

[ancient]

Quote: newbie

According to various sources, the PAK DP will take the wing at the end of the 20s. early 30s. biennium

According to various sources, the "PAK PD project" is in the stage of .. "sharpening a pencil for drawing" and desire "..that if it were like this ... it would be nice."
No more ... roughly the same as with PAK SHA

[newcomer]

Colleagues, can we finish these stereotyped "wishes"? It's ridiculous to even read your denials of my vision of the question, because after wandering around in letters you come to the conclusion that Drying will not replace the 31st. The rest is your "la, la" _ anyhow talk.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: newbie

Colleagues, can we finish these stereotyped "wishes"? It's ridiculous to even read your denials of my vision of the question, because after wandering around in letters you come to the conclusion that Drying will not replace the 31st. The rest is your "la, la" _ anyhow talk.

Look "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession, there the hero of Kuravlev says two wonderful words that very much characterize your statements ..

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: ancient

approximately the same as with PAK SHA

Well, that is, nothing. And considering that now we are unlikely to pull the development of a new heavy fighter from scratch, and there is no particular sense, because the verbiage "Drying will not replace the 31st" does not reflect the real course of events. Will replace. The maximum will be a two-seat modification of the Su-57, and the minimum will be the Su-35. Most likely at least.

[iouris]

As soon as a systemic crisis begins in the world, problems with the resource of aircraft immediately pop up.

[Vladimir16]

How does the "global systemic crisis" affect the resource of an engine or airframe?

[Maximillian von Adelheid]

Elementary! Money !!!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vladimir16

How does the "global systemic crisis" affect the resource of an engine or airframe?

He influences the FSE.
Even for potency

[Alex777]

How does the "global systemic crisis" affect the resource of an engine or airframe?

I too could not understand: why do our "Bears" fly to Alaska?
As it turned out recently, the resource of the F-22 was developed inexpensively.
This is how there was a shortage of engines for the F-22 in the United States.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

How does the "global systemic crisis" affect the resource of an engine or airframe?

I too could not understand: why do our "Bears" fly to Alaska?
As it turned out recently, the resource of the F-22 was developed inexpensively.
This is how there was a shortage of engines for the F-22 in the United States.

Which Alaska?
on the Bering Strait?

If they flew to Seattle (naval base Bangor), San Diego (naval base of the same name), Ganolulu (Pearl Harbor) or Guam - I could understand that they are "testing for strength" there ...
But they don't fly there.
Our bears fly along our borders.
And they are accompanied along the entire route by enemy planes.

This is how it actually is.

Sadly it is in fact.
and not according to newspaper editorials: "Our boarders flew along the American border."
Yeah. In the Bering Strait.
2 km from the American border. And 1,5 km from the Russian one. and fsё ..
That's all the populist husk ..

[ancient]

Quote: Vladimir16

How does the "global systemic crisis" affect the resource of an engine or airframe?

Ordinary .... since it would be time (in terms of time) and to put something new ... or prolong 2 old "... and then bam ... and denyuzhkov for this ... absolutely dumb ... only in wet dreams .. "loyal subjects" who always have everything and everything will be fine

[newcomer]

The systemic crisis is also resolved by the infusion of resources into the military-industrial complex, which drags civilian industry along with it.

[iouris]

Quote: newbie

the systemic crisis is solved by the infusion of resources into the military-industrial complex

These resources still need to be "obtained" from banks and US securities, which are about to depreciate. "You sang everything? This is the case. So go and dance!"

[newcomer]

You tell this to the Chinese. It is easier for Russia in this matter. And there is always something and how to stir up the military-industrial complex, if there is a desire. In the absence of desire, you have to feed someone else's military-industrial complex, in which case they will not ask "how?" Three skins will be removed.

[iouris]

Quote: newbie

You tell this to the Chinese.

Personally not familiar. But if I understand correctly, the US economy and the PRC economy are two sides of the same economy, Chinerica.
The military-industrial complex as a system exists only in the United States.

[ancient]

Quote: newbie

Russia is easier in this matter.

Of course it's easier ... after all, in order to manage the economy, you have to think and, in general, and be able to, and then again ... another budget sequestration and that's it ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: newbie

You tell this to the Chinese. It is easier for Russia in this matter. And there is always something and how to stir up the military-industrial complex, if there is a desire. In the absence of desire, you have to feed someone else's military-industrial complex, in which case they will not ask "how?" Three skins will be removed.

Show examples of how our valiant military-industrial complex, which thwarted all possible rearmament programs, got three skins removed ...

[Alex777]

A colleague meant that someone else's military-industrial complex would take off 3 skins.
And from our military-industrial complex, but from all of us.
You just do not understand.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Alex777

A colleague meant that someone else's military-industrial complex would take off 3 skins.
And from our military-industrial complex, but from all of us.
You just do not understand.

And I would like that our military-industrial complex would be stripped of three skins for disrupting all possible programs ...

For they receive huge funding.
And they are engaged in one eyewash and postscripts.

The entire military-industrial complex has built all its work so that it would go to work on Saturdays.
work carelessly all the time. and then "like a rush" and everyone has to go out on Saturday for double pay, for additional days to the vacation.
It's like that.
From the lowest links and above and above.

But ...
They themselves create this situation.
and in fact they are doing nothing this Saturday.

And what can galvanizers do if transport workers are not working on Saturday?
they are not supposed to work on Saturdays.
There are no quotas for them.
And no one will bring them the details for processing.
Or the turner went to work on Saturday, and the storekeepers have no right to call.
They might have worked. but no one will give them materials.
this is an example.
And now half of the plant workers are sitting on "priests," doing absolutely nothing,
They only imitate.
And everything that they supposedly did on Saturday, they actually did in the middle of the working week.

Signatures are now in our military-industrial complex, much stronger by orders of magnitude than in the years of the 80s ..

It's a shame for the country.

[ancient]

Quote: newbie

The systemic crisis is also solved by the infusion of resources

Well, exactly ... you are from .. "cosmonauts" ... or for them .. "drown"
Here's a clear picture for you ... well ... just scoop it up like, with your "zeroed spoon", we have resources ... yes, more ... and that would also be enough for the civil sector ...
Published today:

And .. I know .. you probably "scoop" from "friends" ... I would really like to see .. how ...... "yachts", for example, cut them in half, or how ...?

[newcomer]

Guys, let’s do it this way: don’t bother me all those who have been burned by the "skin" and "cosmonauts". Thank you, I'm not interested in you, if only because you all have one "scoop".

[SovAr238A]

Quote: newbie

The systemic crisis is also resolved by the infusion of resources into the military-industrial complex, which drags civilian industry along with it.

Have you ever participated in the State Defense Order?
I see. what no.
So don't blare ...
Our GosOboronZakaz does not pull anything behind it.
GosOboronZakaz is a purely local dough cut at the highest prices.
Because of this, the cost price of our products becomes much higher in the world.

it's like the serpent Ouroboros - a snake devouring its own tail

[Cyril G ...]

I disagree. Our cut is just pathetic compared to the cut THERE.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I disagree. Our cut is just pathetic compared to the cut THERE.

Have you worked with GosOboronZakaz?

Just one question ...

If not, then just don't say anything ...

The simplest example.
Crushed stone for delivery to military-industrial complex enterprises costs three times more than what can be bought simply in any organization.
Computers are the same. Three times more expensive.
Toilet paper. soap, printers, writing paper, etc.
All. everything, everything that is needed for the activities of the military-industrial complex - is bought through GosOboronZakaz.
And only specially selected companies can participate in it.
Explain the specialty of selection?
They are courtiers.
They always act as the only supplier. uncontested. For accreditation.
Need a specific grade of metal?
There is only one factory supplier.
And it charges the price three times higher than the world average for such a steel grade.
And you "walk around the market, find it cheaper" if the GosOboronZakaz condition prohibits buying abroad or from an unaccredited supplier.
and "as much as I want. as much and I will probably price" - find it cheaper ....
This is something that is not military, but has a very strong effect on the cost of the final product.

and all cuts in our military-industrial complex are made at indirect costs, which seem to be invisible, but double or triple the cost of our products. After all, the maintenance of an enterprise, in which all expenses are three times higher than other similar (but non-military) ones, are always included in the cost of production ... the final one. Our defense. Our planes, tanks, ships.

[Grazdanin]

Many have no desire to work with red money, I know about the prohibition of this in some very large companies. In fact, they make their own for their own, there is no competition.

[Pavel57]

It is necessary to keep the MiG-31, but as an interceptor or strike aircraft - the question.

[newcomer]

Supersonic hawk interceptor under the drummer? Not enough machines with shock capabilities?

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

Supersonic hawk interceptor under the drummer?

They are obviously not supplied with "daggers" for interception.

[newcomer]

This is called a missile carrier, not a striker.

[Piramidon]

Attack aircraft is a combat aircraft designed to attack ground and sea (surface and underwater) targets with aviation weapons. Equipped with a multifunctional sighting and navigation system and a weapon system, including cannon, bomber (mine and torpedo), rocket (guided and unguided) weapons

[Pavel57]

Apparently, many had the impression that the strike aircraft is a bomb carrier or NURS. From there, following this logic, the MiG-31K is not a strike aircraft.

[Alex777]

So it depends on how many MiGs can be saved.
More than 500 of them were released. Should be enough for all tasks.

[newcomer]

If I'm not mistaken (I'm glad to be mistaken if there are more of them), we have about 150 of them in flight condition. Yes, and the drummer from it is not too expensive, in terms of the resource of the 3-mah interceptor? This is at a speed of about 3m. will we rush in bombed a column, an object, etc.? The question is: why? We have practically the entire fleet with striking capabilities.

[Alex777]

I believe that my colleague named the carriers of the "Dagger" as the shock one.
There is no alternative, in this capacity, to the MiG-31 yet.
When will Tu-22M3M appear ...
In flight condition, as much as necessary for tasks and money.
How many of them are stored in conservation (before using them, of course, they will need to be modernized), I do not know.

[ancient]

Quote: Alex777

When will Tu-22M3M appear ...

Will appear and what then .... he, or rather for him, are created their own ASP, and the X-47M2 for Tu-like ... "saddle mare" .. forgive my French.

[Alex777]

To me, too, the idea of ​​4 Daggers on Tu seems strange.
I will not even list why.
But there is talk of such a possibility. Therefore, I mentioned.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ancient

X-47M2 for Tu - like ... "saddle for a mare"

Can you substantiate? What's wrong with her?

[ancient]

Quote: Piramidon

Can you substantiate? What's wrong with her?

With "her" everything is so ....... with the carrier .. everything is not so "... eats a lot and ... flies not so high

[newcomer]

A little higher I wrote that 31 with the letter K is a missile carrier, not a drummer. "Dagger" solves strategic tasks, and not tactical ones like that of a striker.

[Alex777]

The dagger did not come out far, for strategic tasks.
By and large, this is a temporary solution. I don't see any prospects. IMHO of course.

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

"Dagger" solves strategic tasks

In fact, the "Dagger" is mainly an anti-ship missile. What is this strategic task?

[newcomer]

No, it also hits targets on land (moreover, on land, on water_ destroys moving targets.) Considering that it is designed to destroy aircraft carriers and other 1st rank ships_ this is already a strategic task. If (of which I'm sure) ours equip the "Dagger" with a nuclear head, then we can already talk about the destruction of the entire AUG, here are definitely strategic goals. Although, while the military themselves have not decided on the strategic or tactical Siya missile. Therefore, I think that a heavy cruiser interceptor with a hypersonic missile with the possibility of nuclei.heads_ strategic complex. Anyway, I think so.

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

No, it also hits targets on land (moreover, on land, on water_ destroys moving targets.) Considering that it is designed to destroy aircraft carriers and other ships of the 1st rank ...

Yeah, he still strikes, strikes targets, but not shock. Are you contradicting yourself, or are you just rested?

[newcomer]

And "Poplar" strikes a blow .. Colleagues after all asked, anyhow blabla, then go to the forest. From the whole commentary, you could only identify the letters you needed?

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

A little higher I wrote that 31 with the letter K is a missile carrier, not a drummer.

The fact that you wrote this does not in the least remove the status of strike aircraft from the missile carriers. In your opinion, they only carry missiles, but do not strike? I wonder what justified your such irreconcilable position? Give a well-grounded definition of a "strike" aircraft. And then you can only hear from you - "I said", "I wrote" ... You, as I think, are far from "an encyclopedic dictionary of military equipment." We are waiting, sir.

[newcomer]

But jerking and manipulating my words of opinion for the sake of the beauty of your commentary is somehow mean. Nowhere and never said: "I said", "I wrote" in the context of what you have posted. Encyclopedia, yes a good thing. I repeat, I wrote above, if you didn’t bother to read, the Ministry of Defense itself is still hesitating about the tasks of the "Dagger" _ strategic or tactical. And colleague, wars are not won by encyclopedias.

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

Nowhere and never said: "I said", "I wrote"

I wrote a little higher

Well, maybe just now without "I". Still, what is a "drummer" according to your version? Naturally not "communist labor"

[newcomer]

In your foolishness, you have surpassed yourself.

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

In your foolishness, you have surpassed yourself.

When arguments run out, insults come into play. The answer to the question will be, smart guy?

[newcomer]

What can you say to an ignorant individual who has just admitted to even rigging the arguments of the discussion?

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

What can be said to an ignorant individual

Why are you slipping off the topic of the question? The answer will be, whether you are our educated, or just verbiage,?

[newcomer]

I'm already tired of writing quickly? You are not interested, you are pulling phrases out of context for manipulation. I'm tired of both you and your mocking comments. You see, well, you are not interesting, I remember how you also argued with one "air general rank" like you about the possibilities 31. Well, a complete zero man, who even had a day to spy out of a tyrnet that he was ignorant. You are all so smart, with bright comic comments, not interesting.

[Piramidon]

Quote: newbie

I'm already tired of writing quickly

Tired of - do not dump those idle talk with which you come here to me. Write once, but specifically on the topic, and do not wander around useless phrases, such as - I already said (nothing on the topic) I already wrote - in general words that do not clarify anything. What do you think is a strike aircraft? Or can you just slide into banal insults, like - you are "stupid" and "ignorant"?
Py.Sy. In order not to slip away and accuse me of a vain run over, these are your words addressed to me, an intelligent and educated "individual" -

In your stupidity, you have surpassed yourself

What can you say to an ignorant individual

It is a pity that the mods here will not miss my ADEQUATE answer to such an educated smart guy like you. But you, Garik, are not shy in expressions.

[newcomer]

You can state your complaint in writing to the site administration, if you are afraid for your "ADEQUATE" answer.
And in expressions I am not shy, because I know the Great and the Mighty perfectly, and I am not familiar with hearsay and not with the meanings of the terms. Cheers, colleague.

[newcomer]

By the way, if it comes to that, there are two types of impact machines. You outlined one of them: aircraft capable of carrying missile bombing strikes on land, water, etc. Second_ strategic strike vehicles, I insist on them, speaking of the formula heavy air cruiser interceptor plus a hypersonic missile equipped with a poison head.

[Cyril G ...]

There are about 120-130 aircraft in service. Even more are crammed into settling cemeteries. In Yelizovo there are 21 boards in the sump.

[ancient]

Quote: Pavel57

but as an interceptor or strike aircraft

No question ... this is a forced measure ... there is no carrier with similar flight characteristics like the MiG-31 ...

[Lipchanin]

The Russian military department is studying the issue of extending the resource supersonic interceptors MiG-31.

Are there subsonic ones?

[askort154]

The most fundamental aircraft resource is the airframe life. All other units, including the engine, have a shorter resource and the ability to replace them.
And the resource of the glider also depends on the number of landings and overloads at the same time.
Each aircraft has its own "life passport". The extension of the resource to the whole fleet of aircraft type is carried out by a special commission that makes a detailed analysis -
the need to extend the resource. The safety of further operation is at the forefront, and then all the others (compliance with modern requirements for this type, up to economic feasibility). As a rule, they will renew until there is a worthy replacement.

[alex aircraft]

We are going through the resource moment 31, we are modernizing t72 / 80 etc. all the Soviet heritage. it is not clear where it all came from? after all, the union had nothing but galoshes, according to the zero.

[alex aircraft]

We are going through the resource moment 31, we are modernizing t72 / 80 etc. all the Soviet heritage. it is not clear where it all came from? after all, the union had nothing but galoshes, according to the zero.

[Shadow041]

While there is no new aircraft, it is necessary to think about adapting for long-range interception and the Dagger Su-57 missile. Perhaps we are talking about a specialized modification of the Su-57 for air defense, like the Su-27P, of course, on a new technological base and with higher characteristics.

[Alex777]

IMHO, do not spoil the Su-57 under the Dagger.
Why make the 5th generation so noticeable? He has his own tasks.

Perhaps we can talk about a specialized modification of the Su-57 for air defense, like the Su-27P, of course, on a new technological base and with higher characteristics.

Our country is very big.
Speedy, distant and invisible is a complex combination.
Development of a separate aircraft may be cheaper.

[Shadow041]

And will you start flying on an airplane produced in the USSR, at the risk of your life, or will you prefer to ride on someone else's hump ?! These bombers can fly for a long time, there are no fighter overloads ... In addition, there was a military conflict, how to replace the losses of the MiG-31, if they are not in serial production ?! Of course you have not thought about it ... You must graduate from the military school before giving military advice !!!

[Alex777]

And will you start flying on an airplane produced in the USSR, at the risk of your life, or will you prefer to ride on someone else's hump ?!

Are you a MiG-31 pilot? Acting?

In addition, there was a military conflict, how to replace the losses of the MiG-31, if they are not in serial production ?!

Even the States are preparing to fight with what will be available at the start of a large-scale war. And they plan to "replace losses" only from a "cemetery" in the desert. Not counting on any new production.
So take care of pathos ...

[Shadow041]

Russia does not have a desert for storing military equipment, and the United States, according to experts, will most likely not be able to use antiques from storage bases, since the lion's share of it is in a deplorable state (US reserve fleet), or is completely outdated (F- 5 for example). Your shoulder straps are not expensive, if you do not see further than your nose, I am faced in Chechnya with a shortage of tanks in active units and the forced use of BMP-3 instead of tanks and I know what it is, but you can see mosquitoes on the range in the ass bitten, from that and reflections, like a housewife, and not like a military man.

[Alex777]

Mosquitoes have bitten you along the way. Even the language could not be saved.
Talk about BMP further. Leave the planes alone.

[Shadow041]

Do the Internet and communications, mister communications officer, otherwise even they do not work perfectly in the Russian Federation, leave military equipment to those who served on it.

[Alex777]

Even by the name of the school you are not able to understand who it trains? Starved ...

[Shadow041]

Yes, you have killed everyone a long time ago, betting on an old plane, which is not in mass production and every loss of which is irreparable. This can be carried either by a blonde from the couch, or by a parquet warrior, or by a foreign spy engaged in sabotage.

[Alex777]

I do not place any stake on anything.
These are your speculations.
No mass production and "loss replacement" is possible during a large-scale war. It's all.

[Shadow041]

And what, apart from total nuclear war, does not exist and is not expected ?! Blessed are those who believe, although life says that you are completely wrong and there are wars without a large scale and without the use of nuclear weapons and with losses in combat aircraft!

[Cyril G ...]

Your dearest interlocutor the other day pushed equally furious ideas on the part of the fleet ... Specialist adnaka!

[Alex777]

He is decisive and categorical, because in the tank.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Shadow041

using antiques from storage bases most likely will not work, since the lion's share of it is located in ..

Surely you chop, but don't touch AMARC: there are a lot of equipment / F-16; -18; A-10; ..., what I saw myself / more or less usable, which can be redecorated, it really is not fast. So yes, you won't be able to use it hastily. By the way, after the withdrawal from mothballing, they only had one major flight accident, and this is how they handle it.

[Alex777]

You must graduate from a military school before giving military advice !!!

I got shoulder straps in PVURE, if that.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Shadow041

In addition, there was a military conflict, how to replace the losses of the MiG-31, if they are not in serial production ?!

If there is a war between nuclear countries, it will not last for 6 years, like World War II. Everything will be decided in hours and days. And one of the first to be destroyed by the military-industrial complex

[Shadow041]

A nuclear bomb was created a long time ago and, with the exception of the use of nuclear weapons against Japan, military operations have always been and are being conducted with conventional weapons. And if the war is again not total and not nuclear, then what ?!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Shadow041

And if the war is again not total and not nuclear, then what ?!

After World War II. no one attacked us and did not unleash a war against our state. And if this happens, even without the use of nuclear weapons and there is a threat to the country's existence, then it will come to a retaliatory strike with ALL types of weapons. We are now opposed by significant forces in the form of NATO countries and their hangers-on. And then there is no time for curtsies, like if they shoot us with ordinary weapons, then we will watch as they try to destroy us and respond in kind.
In the decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, "Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence", it is stated:

Russia may use nuclear weapons in response to an attack on it or its allies using nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction, or in case of aggression with conventional weaponsif the very existence of the state is threatened.

[Shadow041]

Well, that's how to say. In Chechnya, the Russian Federation had, in fact, to fight against external aggression, and there were also local military conflicts that continue to this day.

[Cyril G ...]

99 percent will continue to be a series of local wars. Infantry, tank, artillery and aviation will fight. And the fleet as usual

[Cyril G ...]

Su-35 with P-37 is enough

What is actually being done

[bars1]

Judging by the desire to extend the life of the MiG-31 VKS want to have specialized long-range interceptor. Extending the service life of the airframe, one should not forget about the avionics, modernizing as much as possible using the avionics developed for the Su-57. When the MiG-41 appears there ...

[Ros 56]

And why not, if there are technical capabilities.

[rocket757]

Yes, the technique is very specific. To block the territory he was guarding, you need to set up a lot of stationary bases and everything in the most severe conditions of the north !!!

[Ryaruav]

but where to go, look at the line of our fighters except for the su-57, this is essentially the same instant -29 and su-27. let's look at the adversary f-16, f-15, f-22, f-35 and f-18 are very different machines, finances allow them, but we are not very good at that

[Incvizitor]

The planes are of course still excellent, some of the best, but by the 30th year it would be nice to see a replacement ...
In general, at the sight of these aircraft, it takes pride in the Union.

[Imperial Technocrat]

It would be nice to restore them to the maximum and equip the R-37. That would be a thunderstorm of the sky