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Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?

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Corruption is one of the most important problems in modern Russia. Despite the constant arrests of corrupt officials, there is no reason to speak of a victory over this state-destroying phenomenon.


Officials are being arrested for corruption more often


In fact, corruption has always existed in all countries of the world. Even the harshest political regimes were unable to eliminate this phenomenon. In the same China, despite the existence of capital punishment for bribe-taking officials, criminal cases on corruption are also initiated regularly. In Russia, where legislation and especially law enforcement practice is much softer than in Asian countries, corruption is present in all departments and at all levels of the power hierarchy.

Recently, as we can see, the fight against corruption in Russia has really intensified. A number of high-profile arrests have shown that even the most senior officials, including federal ministers and heads of federal departments, can be brought to justice. Among the most famous convicts in corruption cases are Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev, Kirov Governor Nikita Belykh, Director of the Federal Penitentiary Service Alexander Reimer. During the reign of President Boris Yeltsin, and even under the "early Putin", such high-ranking leaders felt practically unpunished and out of court.

As for middle and junior officials, they are constantly arrested: regional media do not have time to update every day. news on the detention or initiation of criminal proceedings against certain representatives of the authorities. However, there are also “untouchables” in respect of whom corruption cases are simply not opened or they are trying to hush them up with minimal consequences for the defendants. What is, for example, the famous Vasilyeva case?


Even minor officials are detained, but corruption is not decreasing


But, despite the fact that now quite impressive punishments are provided for committing crimes of a corruption nature, the corruption itself does not decrease: one is arrested, another comes to his place and история repeats. Corrupt people are becoming more inventive, coming up with new ways to protect themselves from persecution.

Fighting corruption or imitation?


On the other hand, the staff of those who must fight this corruption are also extremely bloated. It is clear that it is important for full-time anti-corruption fighters that corruption crimes themselves take place and be as easy as possible to investigate. Hence the provocations against petty officials, university professors, heads of clinics and hospitals.

Responsible for corruption are ordinary citizens themselves, including those who shout the most about the harm of this very corruption. So, an active supporter of the opposition can calculate the cost of Dmitry Medvedev's sneakers and study Igor Sechin's dacha estates, but if necessary, he himself will safely start looking for "exits" to the right people in order to ensure his child has a successful session, get a driver's license or speed up the issuance of a permit for some some construction.

But it is difficult to blame people for trying to improve their situation using the usual methods, the effectiveness of which is absorbed almost with mother's milk. After all, if such methods work and a person sees that his neighbor, having “put on his paw”, has already received permission to build, then there is a desire to follow his example.

Naturally, everyone who is not lazy is speculating on the fight against corruption in the current political situation: from the government to the extra-parliamentary opposition. The same Alexei Navalny with his FBK made a name for himself precisely on his "revelations" of corruption, although the fight against abuse or bribery in itself cannot and should not turn into an ideology. But the pro-Western forces have always actively speculated on the topic of corruption, and this was the case in Ukraine on the eve of the Euromaidan, and in the countries of the Middle East on the eve of the Arab Spring.

For all the negativity of corruption, reducing it to a minimum, nevertheless, does not mean a transition to “general prosperity”. As the experience of some states in which “revolutions” under anti-corruption slogans have taken place, “fighters against corruption” in practice turn out to be not so much corrupt as just robbers, and from expropriating “stealing officials” they easily turn to robbing the property of ordinary people.

If it will be possible to talk about a genuine fight against corruption and its decisive eradication, it will be only in connection with the building of a different model of society, not only and not so much with harsh punishment for corruption, but with a fundamentally different value and ideological foundation. But this, as we understand it, is extremely unlikely.
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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 24 July 2020 14: 00
    37
    Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?

    Fight against corruption itself was not going to. For the most part, they grab those who do not fulfill the plan for contributions to the common fund.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 24 July 2020 14: 10
      31
      Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?

      It is only getting bigger, and they are fighting mainly with unwanted regional clans by squeezing out business.
      But when everyone is squeezed out, corruption will be completely overcome ..
      Well, in fact, there is nothing easier to identify a corrupt official, for Navalny, the Rosreestr data is enough for this and an income statement .. But for some reason, the fighters are not interested in it .. probably because their own ..
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 24 July 2020 14: 20
        -19 qualifying.
        For Navalny, the Rosreestr data is enough for this and the income statement .. But for some reason, the fighters are not interested in this .. probably because their own ..

        Navalny's worst enemy of Russia ... does not hesitate to use grants from foreign patrons ... pushes young children to rallies, exposing them to danger ... he must be beaten like a sidor's goat for such deeds.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 24 July 2020 14: 24
          35
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Navalny is Russia's worst enemy ... does not hesitate to use grants from foreign patrons.

          I do not see a fundamental difference between those who take money out of Russia over the hill .. or buy real estate in backward Europe or have citizenship or a residence permit in the camp of the enemy .. and those are the whole government .. if you find a rare exception, then you need to look at the nearest relatives.
          What is the difference? Yes, Navalny is the same as these, only a side view .. but I'm not talking about him, but about his investigations ..
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 24 July 2020 14: 25
            -16 qualifying.
            but I'm not talking about him, but about his investigations ..

            I do not trust investigations that are used for selfish purposes ... especially since he said nothing new.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 24 July 2020 14: 34
              27
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              I do not trust investigations that are used for selfish purposes ... especially since he said nothing new.

              That is, you are satisfied that all our officials are corrupt officials and thieves .. Of course, he didn’t say anything new, everyone already knows it .. but he concretizes.
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 24 July 2020 14: 38
                -5
                That is, you are satisfied that all our officials are corrupt officials and thieves ..

                No, it doesn’t suit ... but I don’t like the fact that another thief, much more cynical and unprincipled, is striving to replace some thieves ... Navalny can be compared in terms of morality only with Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 24 July 2020 14: 43
                  26
                  Quote: The same Lech
                  That is, you are satisfied that all our officials are corrupt officials and thieves ..

                  No, it doesn’t suit ... but I don’t like the fact that another thief, much more cynical and unprincipled, is striving to replace some thieves ... Navalny can be compared in terms of morality only with Berezovsky and Khodorkovsky.

                  I don’t know how cynical and unprincipled he is .. I don’t know at all, he was never in power .. I wonder by what criteria you determined that he was cynical and unprincipled?
                  But what I know is that the one that has recently been reset is clearly cynical and unprincipled. For he changes his word, when and how he wants, lies to the whole country, and then asks to treat with understanding .. Pension reform is up to cynicism. Zeroing is up to cynicism.
                  The results of the board in all key areas are a fat minus .. But a person wants to continue rowing, what do you think?
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 24 July 2020 14: 47
                    -13 qualifying.
                    And what did Navalny do for the Russians ... what merits does he have for them besides criticizing Putin?
                    Look at his deeds one blank place.
                    So do not change the awl for soap ... horseradish radish is not sweeter.
                    Yes, Putin is also not ideal ... but I personally do not see another politician better than him ... trusting current politicians to lead the country is too risky.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 24 July 2020 14: 52
                      28
                      Quote: The same LYOKHA
                      Yes, Putin is also not ideal ... but I personally do not see another politician better than him.

                      And you won't see .. they are imprisoned immediately or criminal cases are brought up ..
                      trusting current politicians in the leadership of the country is too risky

                      You know what's going on in demography, medicine, education .. do you think slow death is better? No chance at all .. Or try to change the situation?
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 24 July 2020 22: 37
                        -8
                        Quote: Svarog
                        you will not see .. they are imprisoned immediately or criminal cases are brought up ..

                        Who was put in prison? Khodorkovsky is the only one who can say "I was sitting !!" ....
                        Platoshkin ?? So even 10 people did not go to the rally for him ...
                        For the metalist (!!!!) Furgal was married, but for the honest decent Platoshkin, no ...
                        Who else sat down ?? ??
                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 24 July 2020 23: 52
                        +8
                        Quote: your1970
                        Who else sat down ?? ??

                        If from the big boys, then ... White villages - the governor of the Kirov region, Gaiser - the head of Komi, Torlopov - the former head of Komi, Khoroshavin - the governor of Sakhalin, Denin - the governor of the Bryansk region, Nelidov - the head of Karelia , Yurchenko under recognizance not to leave, the investigation is underway - the governor of the Novosibirsk region, Chuzhbinkin village vice-governor of the Ivanovo region, Kalugina village - vice governor of the Kurgan region, Shamluev village - vice governor of the Novgorod region, Hamburg - village, first deputy head of the Omsk government region, Andreev - under investigation - deputy head of the government of the Ryazan region. And if you generally list "smaller boys", such as regional Duma members, mayors, heads of settlements, etc., who have become clients of the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Penitentiary Service of the Russian Federation, then the hand will get tired of typing.
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 25 July 2020 01: 10
                        -7
                        You gave examples of politicians better Putin ???
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Yes, Putin is also not ideal ... but different politics is better than him I personally don't see it yet.
                        And you won't see .. they are planted immediately or they start criminal cases ..

                        ?
                2. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 24 July 2020 16: 07
                  16
                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  Yes, Putin is also not ideal ... but I personally don't see another politician better than him
                  Now read the biography of Putin and his questionable deeds during his work in the Sobchak administration in the mid-90s. Imagine that a person with a similar biography and very modest achievements would now run for president? Would you vote for that?
                  Navalny may be a controversial personality, but at least he did not hold government posts and never pulled taxpayers' money from the budget trough. And I consider his work on the basis of identifying dubious property from officials to be extremely useful.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 24 July 2020 16: 15
                    -2
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    and never pulled taxpayers' money from the budget trough.

                    False
                    He pulled it, and even got a term for it. Unfortunately, conditional.
                  2. Charik
                    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 50
                    +8
                    and this means that there was nothing there, they wanted to screw it up, but apparently there weren't any business, and they gave a condition so that like a spot in the biographer, and those who collected business for GDP for some reason died all
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 24 July 2020 19: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Charik
                    and this means that there was nothing there

                    Well, of course, how else
                    He could not steal anything, he is an oppositionist.

                    And the condition was given to him because there are too many of you, the thieves protecting. From Mr Charik to the ECHR ...
                    Here you love thieves, murderers and other public, which, as it happens, immediately turns out to be "fighters against the redhead"
                  4. Charik
                    Charik 24 July 2020 19: 59
                    +7
                    gentlemen today in Paris, when he was stealing anything, was he also in opposition? -who had the mayor, his boss, this is when they tried to screw him up a criminal code, that's when he realized that the current government was corrupt and went into opposition and do not confuse thieves with corrupt officials, but they imprison those who cannot repay, I only love my family, I will only defend my Motherland, at the head of the city building department in Voronezhobl, they found bags of money in the garage, a trial, two years later, he dines in a cool jeep in the best restaurant- is it theft or corruption
                  5. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 24 July 2020 21: 49
                    -5
                    Quote: Charik
                    gentlemen in Paris today

                    Yes, and we have a lot. "Comrades" of thieves and murderers have never defended

                    Quote: Charik
                    and do not confuse thieves with corrupt officials

                    And what is there to be confused? Your bulk is both. Without corruption, he would not have gained access to Kirovles.
                    Little educational program: the one who gives bribes is also a corrupt official. The same as the one who takes.
                  6. mdsr
                    mdsr 24 July 2020 22: 10
                    10
                    Quote: Spade
                    Your bulk is both. Without corruption, he would not have gained access to Kirovles

                    Navalny is just an angel compared to Putin's sidekicks. In FBK investigations, everything is always proven clearly, with documents. But that doesn't interest you, does it? You need to look for a speck in Navalny, not seeing the logs in the putriots. Come on, shout and further about what a terrible man this Navalny is
                  7. Charik
                    Charik 24 July 2020 23: 01
                    +2
                    jelly told him so he believed
                  8. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 July 2020 09: 42
                    0
                    Super argumentation.
                    At one time, I still could not understand what "Kisilev" your audience was squealing about. After all, he seems to be actively against Putin ...
                    Then it turned out that this is a completely different Kisilev. And your kodlva looks at the official agitprop much more attentively than normal residents of Russia like me.
                  9. Charik
                    Charik 25 July 2020 12: 27
                    -1
                    Okay, they joked, they argued and it will be, anyway, everyone has his own opinion, and who steals more there are politicians or bloggers h.z.
                  10. kot28.ru
                    kot28.ru 25 July 2020 14: 21
                    +1
                    This is rightly noted. Liberda constantly refers to state channels and others. Apparently, despite the denial, they are watched around the clock! lol
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 25 July 2020 09: 39
                0
                Quote: mdsr
                Navalny is just an angel

                Well yes...
                Your public loves thieves, I've already noticed.
                Hope to share? In vain. Rather, he will steal your money. For the publication of the book "my struggle, volume 47" laughing
                After all, it was already like that, collecting money? Indeed, why should he spend his money on it, if there are "hamsters" (c)
            2. Charik
              Charik 24 July 2020 23: 00
              +5
              but your putin is pure as a tear of Buddha
  2. minigor
    minigor 24 July 2020 16: 20
    -3
    And you try to let him go to the trough ... and you will see!
    Look at Armenia ...! They let this in there, and what ...? He turns Armenia into Ukraine!
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  4. Rusland
    Rusland 25 July 2020 10: 50
    +2
    Quote: mdsr
    Quote: minigor
    Look at Armenia ...!

    And what is happening there in Armenia? Are local putriots and an Armenian bucket swept into the trash can of Armenian history with a broom? Well done, Armenians! Keep it up! Throw them straight into the trash pit. There they belong. Russians are proud of you.

    It is not clear, are you friends with your head or your head? request
  5. Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 28 July 2020 19: 08
    +1
    And what does this child live on?
    Quote: Greenwood
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Yes, Putin is also not ideal ... but I personally don't see another politician better than him
    Now read the biography of Putin and his questionable deeds during his work in the Sobchak administration in the mid-90s. Imagine that a person with a similar biography and very modest achievements would now run for president? Would you vote for that?
    Navalny may be a controversial personality, but at least he did not hold government posts and never pulled taxpayers' money from the budget trough. And I consider his work on the basis of identifying dubious property from officials to be extremely useful.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 16: 22
    13
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    And what did Navalny do for the Russians ... what merits does he have for them besides criticizing Putin?

    Do you not see the difference between the genital organ and the finger at all, or did you just decide to "play some fun"? Unlike Putin, Navalny has no budgetary opportunities, his introduction only protects the ECHR, and his public office is a blogger.
    Answer then why Platoshkina N.N. put under house arrest for non-existent calls to overthrow the government, and "villain and slanderer" Navalny is still at large?
    And I will answer you. If Navalny is accused of libel and discrediting high-ranking officials, then in the EU countries, where there is evidence and "material evidence" of corruption, they will quickly take action against those involved in the investigation.
    And further. There was a practice in the USSR when, after the release of a feuilleton, a video in "Fitil", officials and all sorts of businessmen flew from their posts. Now, as the people say:
    "At least pee in the eyes ..." They look at us with fish eyes, advise us to wait for a court decision, which determines guilt in fact, and repeat, like a mantra:

    And we sit and watch, like the most ordinary simpletons - waiting for this corrupt hydra to strangle itself.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 July 2020 19: 17
      -7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And I will answer you. If Navalny is accused of libel and discrediting high-ranking officials, then in the EU countries, where there is evidence and "material evidence" of corruption, they will quickly take action against those involved in the investigation.

      laughing
      You tie up with substances ...

      There would be at least something, laid out a long time ago.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 24 July 2020 16: 23
    -8
    Alexey: You're right. Under capitalism, Putin is the most winning president.
    1. mdsr
      mdsr 24 July 2020 22: 18
      12
      Quote: nikvic46
      Putin is the most winning president.

      Why do you hate your grandchildren so much that you are ready to take away their future?
    2. nikvic46
      nikvic46 25 July 2020 06: 29
      -6
      Live in the country in which you live. You live in politics, and I live in what surrounds me. To listen to politicians, you will go crazy. "Our positive bourgeoisie rebuffs the American one .." This major politician does not even know that you cannot put epithets political movement. "The mausoleum was draped. So what happened?" - says a member of the communist movement. Nothing happened. It's just that people who lived half under the USSR and half under the Russian Federation are very unpleasant to see. As long as there is selfish interest, we will not see either classical capitalism or socialism. You are waiting for a new president who will not only deceive you, but also undress.
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    1. Same lech
      Same lech 24 July 2020 16: 51
      -10 qualifying.
      The economy will fall even further.

      It will fall then it will rise ... the ups and downs of the economy are cyclical ... it does not tolerate emptiness ...
      how many negative predictions I have already heard.
      I don’t think Putin doesn’t understand all this.
      Korea's economy is no less vulnerable than Russia's.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 July 2020 22: 42
      -11 qualifying.
      In Russia, the oil and gas industry occupies 19% of the country's GDP, so do not worry for the economy, the decline will be proportional, and for the budget, the same now, everything above 40 bucks per barrel goes to the NWF, and most likely next year the oil price bar when calculating the budget can be up to 15 dollars per barrel to lower in order to quickly replenish the half-empty NWF, as practice has shown, even the available 13 trillion there turned out to be a rather modest amount compared to the costs that arose this year, which means that we will have to increase the NWF to 40 trillion, which in the event of such force majeure of this money enough for everyone for a year if the entire industry becomes and everyone will stay at home.
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 47
    +6
    so he reset them to zero
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 46
    +9
    lies to the whole country, and at the same time clears his throat, it's just funny, I'm not a psychologist, but the more you see, know, communicate, listen to a person, the better you know if he is lying or not
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 24 July 2020 14: 55
    10
    Corruption is the abuse of government power for personal gain.
    No matter what Navalny was, no one called him a corrupt official when he was an adviser to the governor, otherwise they would gladly apply to him
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 July 2020 16: 16
      -6
      Quote: Wanderer Polente
      No matter what Navalny was, no one called him a corrupt official when he was an adviser to the governor, otherwise they would gladly apply to him

      Didn't they use it? Also think ...
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 42
    +4
    I do not trust comparisons even to my own, and even more so to a stranger - a person of an unknown - with those who robbed Russia in the 90s and fled abroad and sprinkle mud from there, and the other under a birch tree lies (possibly) at -2m for their affairs
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 37
    +6
    well, that's right, everything is new, well forgotten old, I wonder what kind of selfish goal he pursues-the arrest of those about whom he talks-confiscation of what he says-the removal of these people from power and the `` treasury '' or so purely likes to collect and donate and laugh over embezzlers-your option-?
  • Narcolog
    Narcolog 24 July 2020 21: 49
    -2
    I am now withdrawing money over the hill ... (((But I earn it with my hump, and Russia has more on me than I withdraw. What to do in this case? And I spend more in Russia than I withdraw ...
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 34
    +7
    so everyone earns as much as they can - they didn't slap him with foreign grants - it means they are staring - and the youth is the engine of progress - it's not the grandmothers near the entrance who will go to stand at a rally against the authorities, they don't care who is there and what his name is - they are still oval in tyrnete did not see how he talks about the stolen money, because they watch TV and there are 1 and 2 channels and everything is fine, if grandmothers saw about Malysheva and her dacha in yusa in an oval vidos, that would be a show, well, if understood what we are talking about
  • Lexus
    Lexus 24 July 2020 14: 20
    20
    But for some reason wrestlers are not interested ... probably because their own ..

    All "judokas" to each other "brothers and sisters" and "spouses №1 and №2" for the sixth time. Therefore, all the struggle is for fun. Based on the "understanding" of the Persons Deceived by Hooligans. And in the fighters against corruption, only the deaf and dumb are taken, because they are able to act exclusively on incitement from above.
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 04
    -15 qualifying.
    Quote: Svarog
    It's only getting bigger

    prove this statement
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 16: 35
      15
      Quote: NEOZ
      prove this statement

      Recent incidents at Norilsk Nickel enterprises ???
      We compare:

      We have:
      The Federal Service for Supervision of Natural Resources (Rosprirodnadzor) has estimated the amount of environmental damage from the fuel spill at CHPP-3 of Norilsk Nickel at almost 147,78 billion rubles. (about $ 2 billion). Including the damage caused to water bodies amounted to 147,046 billion rubles, to the soil - another 738,6 million rubles. This is stated in the message of Rosprirodnadzor, received by RBC.

      I do not see "heartbroken and imposed fines" (perhaps even confiscation of property belay )
      Mr. Potanin ... I don't see!
      1. Charik
        Charik 24 July 2020 18: 58
        +6
        Well it's like Halliburton with Dick Cheney
      2. your1970
        your1970 24 July 2020 22: 48
        0
        You didn't just read belay lol
        "" The damage to the environment from the largest diesel leak near Norilsk is estimated at RUB 147,7 billion, Rosprirodnadzor said. This is probably largest such fine in Russian history. The service has already offered to the subsidiary structure of Norilsk Nickel, at the CHP plant of which the leak occurred, to voluntarily compensate the damage. The company itself has already announced willingness to pay all accrued fines."

        https://kommersant-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/s/kommersant.ru/doc/4406560

        You need to read more carefully, more attentively ...

        Newspaper NOT Putin's ...
        1. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 25 July 2020 14: 27
          +2

          You need to read more carefully, more attentively ...

          The newspaper is NOT Putin ...

          but you will be minus anyway
          because grandmas hedgehogs are always against laughing
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 24 July 2020 15: 09
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    But when everyone is squeezed out, corruption will be completely overcome.

    Is not a fact. Then they will start planting those who have been squeezed out.
  • Olfred
    Olfred 24 July 2020 16: 23
    10
    Quote: Svarog
    But for some reason wrestlers are not interested ... probably because their own ..

    IMHO, Yes, because pulling one thread, it can lead to the "powerful of this world", which is why the fight against corruption has its own "bar" which should not be crossed ... They do not cross it
    "The main thing in investigative actions is not to get out on ourselves." (from) hi
  • credo
    credo 24 July 2020 14: 19
    +1
    Quote: lexus
    Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?

    Fight against corruption itself was not going to. For the most part, they grab those who do not fulfill the plan for contributions to the common fund.

    The article is permeated with complete pessimism, and I really wanted to hear a sensible proposal from the Author.
    The last paragraph of the article about "... a fundamentally different value and worldview foundation ..." gave hope that we would finally learn how to fight corruption, but the meaning of this foundation remained unsolved and we can only guess that it could mean communism, primitive system or something else that ancient sources did not convey to us.
    We are waiting for the continuation of the article.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 05
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: credo
      The article is permeated with complete pessimism,

      it's like complaining about a future inevitable death ...)))))))))))))))
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 06
      -12 qualifying.
      Quote: credo
      and so I wanted to hear a sensible proposal from the Author.

      there are no sensible proposals ... only a change of power to bulk / Zelensky and other clowns.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 16: 49
        16
        Quote: NEOZ
        there are no sensible proposals ... only a change of power to bulk / Zelensky and other clowns.

        How is this "so"? Only one sentence is effective here:
        FOR CRIMES WITH A CORRUPTIVE COMPONENT, THE FULL CONFISCATION OF THE PROPERTY OF THE FIGURANT AND HIS RELATIVES MUST BE APPLIED: DAD (TESTIMONY-SWEKOR), MOTHER (mother-in-law), WIFE, CHILDREN AND YOU ...
        THE FIGURATOR MUST HAVE WORKED AT A CLOSED MSW RECYCLING FACTORY FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS (ALTERNATIVE - VALIDATION ON A CANCELED MORATORIUM ON DEATH PENALTY)
        BAN ON PUBLIC OFFICES UNTIL THE THIRD GENERATION.

        Only one important addition - the court should be elected (by the people), and not appointed by corrupt officials.
        And I'll tell you a secret that the level of corruption will drop sharply ... yes
        1. your1970
          your1970 25 July 2020 17: 23
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And I'll tell you a secret that the level of corruption will drop sharply ...

          In China, the people's court sentenced him to death and confiscation. shoot in public, right up to stadiums ... More than 100 have already been shot ...
          Here are just troubles - they shoot more 20 years.
          This means - that nifiga shootings do not help ... We are already ready to shoot the case for tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, and so on ...
          I will say more - in Islam, women are stoned to death for prejudgment. 700 (!!!!!!) years already. Helps ?! Yeah, right schaz - the women were running around other people's men and running around .... They don't know - that death is painful if they are caught? Know .....

          Counterfeiters have been alive for several centuries ... Did the smell of fried human flesh over the cities eradicate it? Everything is certain ...
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 25 July 2020 18: 20
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            This means - nifiga executions do not help ...

            You know perfectly well from whose words the talk is that the executions do not help - these are potential persons involved in the cases. Shootings don't help when life is worse than death. It is not just that corrupt officials emerge from the vacuum. the rope is twisted. appetites grow and ... a natural "kirdyk" comes.
            Spit in the face of someone who says that Muslim women cheat on their husbands right and left.
            In the RSFSR, for the manufacture of counterfeit money was supposed to:
            For counterfeiting money, there were also two corpus delicti. The first of them provided for punishment for the manufacture or sale of counterfeit money or securities and provided for a penalty of imprisonment for a term of 3 to 15 years.
            The second corpus delicti provided for liability for the release of unofficial banknotes (obviously in exchange for the ruble). The punishment for this crime was also severe. Such "counterfeiters" were threatened with imprisonment for a term of 3 to 15 years with confiscation of property.

            I have never seen or heard counterfeit money circulating in the city. Although they talked about fake metal rubles ...
            For those who say that executions do not help, I give an example with electricity. Plugging your fingers into an outlet is extremely rare.
            1. your1970
              your1970 25 July 2020 19: 25
              -1
              1)
              Quote: ROSS 42
              these are potential persons involved in cases

              I do not belong to this group
              2)
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Spit

              - read the statistics of the faithful countries ... I found somehow - very cool things, and women walking to the left were not uncommon in these statistics ...
              3) the articles of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR cited by you - just confirm the presence massive cases of such an offense. If there was no electronic banking then, then there was no responsibility for it ..
              4
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I have never seen or heard counterfeit money circulating in the city.
              - this not the indicator is absolutely. You did not know in detail about the shooting in Novocherkassk. In the glorious city of Saratov, for 3 years in a row, since 1981, a group of injured people celebrated Hitler's birthday on April 21 at Theater Square .. There was a whisper - no one knew the details
              So it is with counterfeit money in the USSR ... Drop "counterfeit coins of the USSR from circulation" - be surprised, this is a fairly large area of ​​numismatics
              4)
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Plugging your fingers into an outlet is extremely rare.
              my sister managed to climb 2 times in 4 years lol

              I repeat, no tightening without complicating the technical will give absolutely nothing ...

              Previously, the customs was extremely corrupt - with the introduction of electronic declaration, it dropped sharply, with the introduction of the Electronic Declaration Centers, corruption in the declaration of goods began to approach zero.
              Rosreestr - as soon as it stopped working with citizens because of the MFC - it became a boring place for corrupt officials
        2. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 29 July 2020 21: 40
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          the court should be elected (by the people), and not appointed by corrupt officials.

          1. The confiscation has been applied from that year even to the friends of the defendant.
          2. Our "people's" court likes to justify terrorists. Secondly, how can an electrician or a welder evaluate actions that he does not understand? Or do you propose to take the word of the prosecutor?
          The only thing that can really reduce corruption is public control and censure, combined with tough measures. And populism never gave anything good.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 30 July 2020 03: 13
            0
            Quote: Blackgrifon
            Or do you propose to take the word of the prosecutor?

            I propose that judges should not be appointed from above, and that the appointment of a judge should be approved by the people's deputies (so that a presumptuous judge could be removed from work by a majority decision).
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 30 July 2020 19: 40
              0
              Quote: ROSS 42
              people's representatives (so that a presumptuous judge could be removed from work by a majority decision).

              Then the effect will be even worse: for the cornerstone will be, at least, not the letter of the law, but populism and the implicit obligation to fulfill the will of the "izdannichki". And, as a maximum, "people's chosen ones" (those who climb into all sorts of regional and city councils only for the sake of a feeding trough or for the sake of legalization) will put judges under control.
              You are clearly not familiar with how judges are appointed - the participation of local, regional and federal authorities in the procedure is completely excluded. Exclusion of justices of the peace. Moreover, if, for example, one spouse works in the prosecutor's office or as a judge, then the second judge will not become. In addition, but in most cases, when the courts make decisions precisely against the wishes of local authorities, but in favor of citizens. The main thing is that there would be a norm. It's just that the majority of our citizens love to sign something, and then they wonder “why is this apartment taken away from us because of some contract?”. In practice, in court, you are more likely to encounter rudeness than "bribery".
      2. mdsr
        mdsr 24 July 2020 22: 30
        +3
        Quote: NEOZ
        there are no sensible proposals ... only a change of power to bulk / Zelensky and other clowns.

        How not? You just watch a little keisel TV. In short, it was necessary to re-elect Putin - they reelected, it was necessary to nullify the constitution - they reset it, it was necessary to treat with understanding that they took 5 years of your life to retire - they did. Now we need to support Edimorossia in the next elections, steal the retirement age even more, systematically raise prices for everything and everyone, etc. In general, we are encouraged, keep quiet and do not forget the owners.
    3. Kisa
      Kisa 24 July 2020 17: 08
      +3
      It seems to me that Vova knows how to fight corruption, nevertheless, they worked with Andropov in the same department. but it's not clear why? does not want? can not?? ... after all, when Vova came, he pretty quickly drove all the hucksters under the bench unlimited absolute power - well, write in those amendments the death penalty for economic crimes, then they will vote for any zeroing ... but you see some kind of abstract judokas are puppet
      1. mole
        mole 24 July 2020 20: 00
        0
        After the Crimea, I hoped that corruption would be defeated. But I was disappointed.
        Before Crimea, objectively, there were no opportunities. The Supreme could be left alone.
      2. mdsr
        mdsr 24 July 2020 22: 34
        +7
        Quote: kitty
        it seems to me that Vova knows how to fight corruption, nevertheless, they worked with Andropov in the same department

        Of course he knows, that's why he does the opposite. After all, he knows very well that if you start to really unravel this tangle, then in the end this thread cannot but lead to him. Therefore, for the people, they arrange this whole circus with a run in place in width
  • Vend
    Vend 24 July 2020 14: 31
    -12 qualifying.
    In terms of corruption, Russia is just a schoolgirl in comparison with Europe and the United States. laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 July 2020 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: Wend
      In terms of corruption, Russia is just a schoolgirl in comparison with Europe and the United States.

      They just talk about it in Russia, but they keep silent in the West and in the USA. But lobbying has not yet been canceled.
      1. Vend
        Vend 24 July 2020 15: 47
        -3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Wend
        In terms of corruption, Russia is just a schoolgirl in comparison with Europe and the United States.

        They just talk about it in Russia, but they keep silent in the West and in the USA. But lobbying has not yet been canceled.

        Yes, Europe and the United States have come up with an official term for corruption - lobbying and now they have no corruption laughing laughing
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 July 2020 16: 08
          +7
          Quote: Wend
          Yes, Europe and the United States have come up with an official term for corruption - lobbying and now they have no corruption

          And also the so-called "bonuses". Not like ours, but ... I've bought supplies, spare parts abroad, then I was entitled to a 10% bonus that "cashmani" brought me. This was not included in the price. Those. if I ordered $ 1000 according to the price list, then they brought it for $ 1000, and I cash $ 100. And I knew that this company gives me a bonus, and I will continue to borrow only from this company.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 24 July 2020 15: 01
    11
    Our entire vertical of power is built on corruption. And everyone sends a share. And no one is ashamed. It is normal for an official to walk around with a watch worth 10 annual salaries and no one is surprised. Morality in our society is completely lost ...
    And who will fight corruption? Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, prosecutor's office? And they themselves are completely corrupt.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 July 2020 15: 27
      10
      Quote: Sahalinets
      It is normal for an official to walk around with a watch worth 10 annual salaries and no one is surprised.

      Several years ago, at a presentation in Munich, where my German friend invited me, he showed me a young boy "You see this guy, he has a watch for $ 25 on his wrist, and he is a deputy in the St. Petersburg State Assembly (or whatever). " I said so what? "Now, if our deputy had put on such a watch, he would not have been a deputy tomorrow." Their mentality and attitude are different, but it does not mean that their deputy is poorer than the one in St. Petersburg.
      1. mark2
        mark2 24 July 2020 19: 19
        -3
        So what? And I had a car for 25 dollars bought not on credit, and the payment was full. Am I corrupt?
        In Germany, even a gay man cannot say that he is gay or that he does not like gay people. They have no mentality, they only have tolerance. And all this does not cancel corruption.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 25 July 2020 09: 46
          +1
          Quote: mark2
          So what? And I had a car for 25 dollars bought not on credit, and the payment was full. Am I corrupt?

          When you buy a non-credit watch for $ 25, then you will become a corrupt official. And now you are a middle-class man, like many, including me.
      2. your1970
        your1970 26 July 2020 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Several years ago, at a presentation in Munich, where my German friend invited

        Quote: tihonmarine
        Now, if our deputy had put on such a watch, he would not have been a deputy tomorrow.

        From 7000 cases of corruption (they also include commercial bribery) in 2000 - the number of cases in 2014 increased to 42 ...

        Your friend was far behind the times and got stuck in the 90s ... then - yes, it was dumb to be corrupt in Germany, and then they got sick ..

        Recommend him to read about the Berlin airport .... Fascinating reading, a guide for a beginner corrupt official ...
    2. ANB
      ANB 24 July 2020 20: 15
      +3
      ... Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, prosecutor's office? And they themselves are completely corrupt.

      I won't tell you about the FSB. But in the prosecutor's office, the Investigative Committee, the courts, the police, as many as I came across, they never extorted money or even asked for it.
      Although there was one case in Moscow in 2004. But that department has already been closed.
  • Whiteidol
    Whiteidol 24 July 2020 15: 02
    -2
    Have you seen this plan? Did you sign it as an introducer?
  • NEOZ
    NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 03
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: lexus
    Fight against corruption itself was not going to.

    Colleagues, the term "corruption" has not been disclosed, while the attacks in the article indicate corruption as an indispensable evil, but why it is evil, the topic has not been disclosed !!!
    respectively! the article is absolutely nothing!
    without this disclosure of the topic, all comments will be at the level of personal perception !!!!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 16: 56
      11
      Quote: NEOZ
      but why this is evil, the topic is not disclosed !!!

      2x2 = 4 !!!
      Discrediting state foundations, legality, which ultimately affects the sovereignty of the country (replica Brzezinski !!!)
  • Basil50
    Basil50 24 July 2020 15: 26
    -12 qualifying.
    Lexus and the like
    IN RUSSIA they are really fighting corruption, in contrast to Europe with America or the same China. There, the whole fight against corruption consists in inventing euphemisms for a bribe: * respect *, * a gift * - * fee for lobbying interests *, * fee for an election campaign *, etc.
    And how the Americans derban the budget, including the military, is something. There, in the USA, laws are officially passed for bribes. There, taxes are officially paid from bribes. Presidential elections are also only for a bribe, indicating the bribe takers and the amounts they allocate. This happens in all countries - the colonies of the United States.
    1. unaha
      unaha 24 July 2020 15: 54
      +7
      "There, the whole fight against corruption consists in inventing euphemisms for a bribe: * respect *, * a gift * - * a fee for lobbying interests *, * a fee for an election campaign *, etc." - you tried to bribe a traffic policeman even not in Western countries, but at least in Eastern Europe?
      And yes, similar scandals happen in the West with politicians, but not a single politician can remain in office after being made public.
    2. Courier
      Courier 24 July 2020 15: 54
      0
      Presidential elections also only for a bribe
      laughing
    3. 72jora72
      72jora72 24 July 2020 15: 58
      +6
      IN RUSSIA they are really fighting corruption, in contrast to Europe with America or the same China.
      Go to Crimea and ask any entrepreneur, but just ask the locals, and you will be told that bribes and extortions up to 14 years old are just "babble" in comparison with the current situation.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 24 July 2020 16: 07
        +4
        Quote: 72jora72
        IN RUSSIA they are really fighting corruption, in contrast to Europe with America or the same China.
        Go to Crimea and ask any entrepreneur, but just ask around the locals, and you will be told that bribes and extortions up to 14 years old are just "baby talk" in comparison with the current situation.

        And it is! True! And they take officials who sat in their own places in Ukraine, and now in the United Russia, discredit Russia!
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 24 July 2020 18: 36
          +2
          And they take the officials who sat in their own places in Ukraine
          There is already a huge layer of leadership "from the mainland", which set the tone (especially power structures).
      2. mark2
        mark2 24 July 2020 19: 22
        -1
        it seems that bribes and extortions up to 14 years old are just "baby talk" in comparison with the current situation.



        They say that chickens are milked.
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 24 July 2020 23: 47
          -1
          They say that chickens are milked.
          Have you been to Crimea? Did you talk to people? No, of course, so you shouldn't make mistakes.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 13
      -9
      Quote: Vasily50
      how the Americans derban the budget, including the military is something.

      Yes, pour them in the eyes - all the dew of God ...
      ps
      to this you will be answered - "I don't care how they are, it should be wrong here!"
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 25 July 2020 01: 08
        +1
        Quote: NEOZ
        to this you will be answered - "I don't care how they are, it should be wrong here!"
        Exactly. It is necessary to adopt only the good, and the eaters are pulling all kinds of nonsense, rubbish and robbery from across the hill to Russia.
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 17: 00
      +6
      Quote: Vasily50
      IN RUSSIA they are really fighting corruption, in contrast to Europe with America or the same China.

      Are you going to tell us about the family of "seagulls" now? Or about "the one who is not dimon to us"? Or will you tell us for what merits and for what reason the case of the Ministry of Defense Services was buried?
      Yes, we know about this freestyle wrestling under the covers ... lol
    6. Basil50
      Basil50 24 July 2020 20: 04
      -4
      Anecdotes about * incorruptible * policemen are very popular in America and Europe. But this is an anecdote. There, no one will make a career without a bribe, neither in the police, nor in business, nor in the army, nor in politics, but at the same time they are very fond of fairy tales about their own genius and exclusivity, and of course about their own * honesty *.
      Real life in Europe-America does not coincide with * Disney Land *. All the same, it's worth living there at least a little to understand this.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 24 July 2020 15: 38
    +1
    even not so much with harsh punishment for corruption, but with a fundamentally different value and worldview foundation.

    20 years before corruption, one must look at teenagers in the late 90s and early 00s, their upbringing then.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 25 July 2020 21: 26
    0
    what is your subtle understanding of the situation bully
  • zenion
    zenion 30 July 2020 14: 37
    +1
    Why fight corruption, if it itself fell under someone you need!
  • zenion
    zenion 31 July 2020 14: 43
    0
    Corruption has already been brought down and is being used.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 24 July 2020 14: 06
    16
    Corruption is an integral part of capitalism. For the main thing in life with him is to acquire as much dough as possible. And how to acquire it most quickly and easily? Yes, stole! But as? Yes, sucking on the sovereign's boob .. So - the fight against corruption under the bourgeoisie is pure fiction .. It can be translated into a type of civilized form as in the West, but it is basically impossible to eradicate it. For it is the very essence of capitalism ..
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 24 July 2020 14: 15
      +6
      Quote: paul3390
      Corruption is an integral part of capitalism... For the main thing in life with him is to acquire as much dough as possible. And how to acquire it most quickly and easily? Yes, stole! But as? Yes, sucking on the sovereign's boob .. So - the fight against corruption under the bourgeoisie is pure fiction .. It can be translated into a type of civilized form as in the West, but it is basically impossible to eradicate it. For it is the very essence of capitalism ..

      Gold words!!! Power, which is the guarantor of capitalist relations between citizens and those who own the means of production, is the guarantor of the existence of corruption in Russia! (everyone wants to eat, and not only the oligarchs, but also the officials and the managers of the processes in society ...) Bees have never fought against Honey !!! Bees collect honey, but the owner of the apiary takes it away and he is not interested in the destruction of bees!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 July 2020 14: 24
        +7
        Corruption, in one form or another, has existed always and everywhere.
        Usually it differs in the level of its visible part, usually household.
        Anything higher is rarely known to the public.
        About us - we have a trouble !!!
        Will she want to be reduced ??? Not sure at all.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 09
          -8
          Quote: rocket757
          About us - we have a trouble !!!

          Explain with what, specifically, you / us have trouble?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 July 2020 15: 16
            +3
            The trouble is that when a bribe-taker is caught / imprisoned, the opinion is heard that he simply did not share with whoever he was supposed to.
            It has serious reasons for it, it does not have ... part of our society thinks so.
            Figures, balance, believers / non-believers how to define? Following the election results?
            Doubtful indicator ... there are plenty of other dubious indicators.
            There are reasons, precedents for a general lack of trust in the upper ones.
            All this does not ensure the stability of our society.
            To say that around, everywhere like that !!! the argument is not the most reliable.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 36
              -6
              Quote: rocket757
              The trouble is that when a bribe-taker is caught / imprisoned, the opinion is heard that he simply did not share with whoever he was supposed to.

              no problem at all !!!
              you never know who / what / about whom says ... live your mind !!!
              Quote: rocket757
              believing / not believing how to define?

              it's not a matter of faith !!!!
              Quote: rocket757
              There are reasons, precedents for a general lack of trust in the upper ones.

              I believe that just reasons and trust in the top are more than enough !!!!!
              Quote: rocket757
              All this does not ensure the stability of our society.

              and nothing provides stability, only the worldview (sense of justice) among the people!
              for example: today's youth - think that they should get a lot for doing nothing !!! there is an internal contradiction (a sense of injustice) and the growth of protest mood ... everything is simple here ...
              Quote: rocket757
              To say that around, everywhere like that !!! the argument is not the most reliable.

              one of the most important ways of knowing the truth !!!! comparison of others with the investigated object.
              ps
              in your opinion, what is bad about corruption?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 July 2020 15: 53
                +1
                [quote = NEOZ] Quote: rocket757
                believing / not believing how to define?
                it's not a matter of faith !!!! [/ quote]
                Let's have statistics, not at least some, but open, to conduct a survey of citizens on any official platform.
                Then it will not be faith, but opinion.

                [quote = NEOZ] [quote = rocket757] The trouble is that when a bribe-taker is caught / imprisoned, the opinion is heard that he simply did not share with whoever he was supposed to. [/ quote]
                [quote = rocket757] one of the most important ways of knowing the truth !!!! comparison of others with the investigated object.
                ps
                in your opinion, what's wrong with corruption? [/ quote]
                Let's compare the more relevant. Compare the development of countries in which corruption is restrained within an acceptable (conditionally) framework with the country .... for example with OURS.
                [quote = NEOZ] for example: today's youth - think that they should get a lot for doing nothing !!! there is an internal contradiction (a sense of injustice) and the growth of protest mood ... everything is simple here [/ quote]
                Not easy, but it is decided by life itself and by the need to LIVE, not exist ... by someone's orders, for example.
                Teenagers will grow older and wiser. Senior comrades will teach and life will put everything in its place.
                Some part will go into the "slag", but this always happens.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 03
                  -4
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Let's get statistics,

                  what statistics do you want to see? - I do not understand...
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Let's compare the more relevant. Compare the development of countries in which corruption is restrained within an acceptable (conditionally) framework with the country .... for example with OURS.
                  Come on !!!! Well, what have they got there?
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 24 July 2020 16: 32
                    +1
                    And they have different ways. Corruption, in varying degrees of visibility at the household level. To one degree or another, secrecy in the "upper" layers of government and commerce.
                    Everything seems to be the same, but at the same time in different ways, depending on which particular state is being considered.
                    We will not consider Singapore, this is an exception to the rule. So which state to consider?
                    I will add the obvious, corruption hinders the development of ANY state, the only question is whether citizens still have confidence in the institutions of governance and control, these states or citizens are indignant, rebel, and have come to terms with such a situation.
                    We have, as I believe, the danger that trust in the authorities is not ah, this is the first step to ... ... a lot of things can be.
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 26 July 2020 11: 56
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      We will not consider Singapore, this is an exception to the rule.

                      this is not an exception at all !!!! what's wrong with that?
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 26 July 2020 14: 43
                        0
                        According to many, there seems to be no corruption there! Miracles and nothing more.
                        What other country do citizens say they have no corruption?
                        As a rule, it is simply not in plain sight and citizens trust their authorities. This is already a great achievement for the ruling circles. From time to time they have corruption scandals, but this does not undermine the confidence of citizens in their upper ones.
          2. Revival
            Revival 24 July 2020 16: 57
            +7
            And the trouble is that there is no most direct and simple measure, a comparison of the official income and expenses of an official and his relatives and those who have been afflicted.
            Why!?
            That they were so afraid to ratify an article in the convention with this norm, and sovereignty was enough without amendments to heroically block this article on income and expenses.
            Fear like fire and invent schemes of struggle, plans, etc.
            Here is a simple method, but no, just not this
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 09
        -9
        Quote: Invoce
        Gold words!!! Power, which is the guarantor of capitalist relations between citizens and those who own the means of production, is the guarantor of the existence of corruption in Russia!

        absolutely empty words! not confirmed by anything !!!!!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 July 2020 14: 49
          0
          It's hardly that simple. But when the state fights corruption REALLY, citizens see it, not blind, not more stupid than others.
          We have no confidence in any kind of struggle, therefore, even the real facts of the capture and punishment of corrupt officials cause skepticism among many!
    2. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 24 July 2020 15: 02
      0
      On the topic of corruption, there are many works of lawyers in the world, as well as in the field of criminal psychiatry ...
      recourse
      I think that corruption has been an integral part of society since ancient times, regardless of the socio-political system (from the primitive communal system to communism). Even the absence of commodity-money relations will not eradicate corruption.
      One of the qualifying signs of a crime is the subjective side, i.e. intent / motive. In this case, it is enrichment, or the receipt of material goods, or some kind of benefits.
      According to Maslow's "pyramid of needs" a person, having satisfied some needs, "craves" for another ...
      This has been the case since ancient times.
      Conclusion: in the foreseeable future, corruption in conjunction with other economic crimes and crimes against the state cannot be eradicated in any way, starting from Limpopo, Russian expanses, right up to the Mississippi.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 07
      -6
      Quote: paul3390
      Corruption is an integral part of capitalism.

      those. under socialism it was not?
      and under feudalism ...
      Oh well...
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 24 July 2020 15: 39
        +4
        Not on that scale. Not even close to today's. For once again - under socialism and feudalism, the availability of money is not the main position that determines the status of a person in society .. And therefore - everyone wants money, but not everything is ready to go for it. For taking on the paw, you can easily lose the status deserved in other ways. And the presence of a bubble does not guarantee respect and opportunities in society. A striking example is Ostap Bender, who got his million in the USSR ... And Koreiko's lifestyle is also not very inspiring ..
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 47
          -8
          Quote: paul3390
          under socialism and feudalism, the availability of money is not the main position that determines a person's status in society ..

          and under capitalism money is not the main thing .... in general, money is not important. money is just ONE OF THE TOOLS for getting this or that.
          Quote: paul3390
          And consequently - everyone wants money, but they are not ready to go to any lengths for it.

          you misidentified the value of money, so you make the wrong conclusions ...
          Quote: paul3390
          A striking example is Ostap Bender, who received his million in the USSR ...

          A striking example is Mikhail Gorbachev, who received his million dollars of the Nobel Prize in the USSR ... only this example is REAL ...
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 24 July 2020 15: 51
            +8
            Elfism and demagoguery are some ... And what - can you get what you want WITHOUT money? Why, then, are they all hungry by hook or by truth?
            And what does the Gorbachev prize have to do with it? He didn't put it in his pocket. I had no right to do this, according to the concepts of that time.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 24
              -7
              Quote: paul3390
              Elfism and demagoguery ...

              from your side....
              Quote: paul3390
              And what - can you get what you want WITHOUT money?

              whatever you want ...
              under the primitive communal system there was no money ... and no one paid money to slaves ...
              Quote: paul3390
              And what does the Gorbachev prize have to do with it? He didn't put it in his pocket.

              yeah ????? And where to????
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 July 2020 15: 30
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      Corruption is an integral part of capitalism.

      This is true, but for so many years they have already created canons and frameworks, "what and how much is possible and what is not." All our donut grabbed the trough, while our post-Soviet do not have these canons and frames.
      1. depressant
        depressant 24 July 2020 16: 08
        +8
        And here is an example of corruption from everyday practice. Actually, I was watching directly from my kitchen window.
        Four years ago, in the spring, a noisy and long meeting was held near the neighboring three-story building about its overhaul. Village fathers and residents. Agreed. A team of visiting Armenians, almost not speaking Russian, was brought in. Two set up scaffolding. Two were stripping old plaster, twenty were sitting in the shade under the trees on the curbs. After stripping, two plastered, twenty sat. The tenants did not like the result. In the spring - a noisy meeting with protests. In the fall, they brought in another brigade. They ripped off, plastered. In the spring they began to make the roof. In the fall, they drove in another brigade, remade. In the spring, the plaster was again stripped off, the plaster was plastered as it gives the patterns.
        They ripped off the basement, plastered it, painted it with shiny paint brown, laid 70 cm wide asphalt and curbs around it. It would seem that everything. No, even before the coronavirus, the asphalt was stripped, gravel was covered, new asphalt was laid ...
        Listen, this is my money! I'm paying for the overhaul! And they did it like this - they did and remodeled it and, apparently, it was impossible to count how much money was shoved into the bureaucratic pockets from the fund for major overhaul of the district.
        1. mark2
          mark2 24 July 2020 19: 41
          -1
          And what are you unhappy with? They did everything to you. What do you care how much they stuffed into their pockets? There it is not yet clear how much the house manager or the house manager received for his pocket.
          And then, tenants have the right and must participate in the affairs of their home. Discuss the overhaul project, consider the estimate. Yes, by the way, if it comes to the repair of apartment buildings, then the estimate is drawn up on the basis of the current estimated standards, and not commercial prices.
    5. unaha
      unaha 24 July 2020 15: 57
      0
      "Corruption is an integral part of capitalism" - oops! There were no bribes in the USSR? )))
      More precisely, even in the RSFSR, about the Asian and Caucasian xSSR, I will not even say anything.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 July 2020 16: 15
        0
        Quote: unaha
        More precisely, even in the RSFSR, about the Asian and Caucasian xSSR, I will not even say anything.

        Asians and Arabs also have bakshish.
        1. unaha
          unaha 24 July 2020 16: 23
          0
          Without "baksheesh" in our Asia in the 80s, nothing worked at all. But with bakshish ...)))
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 24 July 2020 17: 28
        +4
        Compared to the nonesh ones, the grabbers in the USSR were holy beggars, ascetic ascetics and beggars ..
        1. unaha
          unaha 24 July 2020 17: 38
          -1
          Nuuu .. the scale of course was much more modest if measured in money))) But we're talking about the essence, socialism itself is not a panacea for corruption.
    6. unaha
      unaha 24 July 2020 16: 12
      +1
      Under developed capitalism, "sucking on the sovereign's tit" is not at all easy and at the same time a specific product is being created (or at least trying to create), and the concept of "getting on streams" does not exist at all.
      But with our "sovereign":
      "A new class, a layer of state bureaucracy (businessmen-officials), which forms its income and property around the flows of the state, state banks and state companies. They are not entrepreneurs. They do not create added value. They only redistribute flows. They are influential. and they have their own ideology. This ideology and the associated goal-setting is long-term harmful for the nation. They understand the illegitimate nature of their capital, live in fear and therefore their psyche is deformed. Their national dream: at some point, imperceptibly, to dump with capital outside the country to another safe jurisdiction. But in the current world order this is not easy to implement: the modern digital world makes everything transparent + Russian dubious capital is not needed in the West. Therefore, they have a big dilemma .. ".
      1. depressant
        depressant 24 July 2020 17: 14
        +7
        Colleague unaha, an example to complement your comment. Corrupt structure
        "Sberbank - MosOblEirts - electricity supplier".
        A receipt for payment for gas, electricity, etc. comes. Please pay by the 10th. I pay as ordered. Through Sberbank. This bank delays the transfer of my money to the MosObleirtz office and transfers them only after the 10th next month, when a new receipt has already been issued, according to which it turns out that I am a debtor. Because the office, having not received the payment for electricity for the last month on time, writes to me not only for this one, but also for the last one. Thus, I pay twice for electricity. With gas everything is in order, did not fit into the criminal - not even corruption - thieves' scheme. And Sberbank, meanwhile, somehow uses my money for a month. Or it simply divides them between itself and the specified two other offices. It is impossible to reach any of them. People on Zen have described how they tried and did not burn out. I will not be able to go to the prosecutor's office due to the state of my initially frail health. I think there are many like me. The investigation has already drawn attention to Gref. Let him look at him from the point of view of the organization of the criminal community described above.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 24 July 2020 17: 27
        +3
        Come on! Avon - one story with the creation of the F-35 penguin was worth what! They sawed the dough - more than our budget. But this is just one example .. Once again - there is only one tasty boob in all countries - the sovereign. For there is the most money, and of the type of nobody's.
        1. unaha
          unaha 24 July 2020 17: 46
          0
          "Once again - there is only one tasty boob in all countries - the sovereign. For there is the most money, and there is no one else's" - not quite so, it is rather the MOST tasty, but not because there is a lot of money, but because the state order - guaranteed sales. There are no special problems with production now, but the effective demand is still to be looked for. Therefore, in the labor market, salespeople are much more relevant than engineers.
        2. unaha
          unaha 24 July 2020 17: 50
          -1
          But the product was still issued))) Even if it took a long time and was very expensive.
    7. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 17: 02
      +8
      Quote: paul3390
      Yes, sucking on the sovereign's tit ..

      No wonder in the USSR embezzlement of state property equated to grievous. yes
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 24 July 2020 17: 24
        +8
        It's clear why ..
        1. depressant
          depressant 24 July 2020 20: 58
          +4
          So why, after all, is corruption, and in fact, theft blooms in our double color of glowing mold, covering literally everything with a solid carpet? Because the stolen has something to hide - so much so that the Russian law enforcement officers will never get it. And this is abroad. She shines a bright spotlight for all our thieves, pointing them in the direction of foreign offshore companies. Because the Central Bank, led by Nabiullina and the Ministry of Finance, led by Siluanov, have legislatively created the most favored nation regime for the escape of the loot, only pretending to fight this shameful and ruinous phenomenon for the country by closing the most odious banks. That is, those who clumsily, clumsily and openly engaged in the transshipment of dishonestly acquired abroad and thus surrendered our entire financial office - the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance.
          And despite the alleged "struggle" with the capital outflow, the Central Bank itself has not been able to hide the phenomenon in recent years and was forced to fix its growth.

          For example, at the end of 2018, a 2,7-fold increase in net capital outflow was recorded in annual terms - from $ 25,2 billion to $ 67,5 billion. The net outflow in 2017 amounted to $ 31,3 billion (an increase in 1,6 times by 2016). According to the Central Bank, capital outflow in January-February 2019 alone amounted to $ 18,6 billion, which is 2,1 times higher than the figure for the same period in 2018 (8,7 billion). In general, capital outflow from Russia amounted to $ 2019 billion in 26,7. In the first quarter of 2020 - already 20 billion.
          And what happens? Stole - take out, hide! Along the way, seeing this, law enforcement officers become corrupted, getting involved in the theft scheme. For the last two years we have been continuously observing this.
          It follows from this that until the issue with the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance is resolved based on the results of their legislative activity, indecently large-scale corruption in our country will not be defeated.
  • g_ae
    g_ae 24 July 2020 14: 07
    +7
    As the ancient wisdom says that if you cannot win, then you need to lead.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 24 July 2020 14: 19
      11
      Nobody tried to defeat corruption! The appearance of a struggle and punishment of just anyone, small bribe takers or those who do not share and are not in the cage! and rewarding the right people
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 12
        -8
        Quote: Invoce
        Nobody tried to defeat corruption!

        Well, you're lying !!!!
        You know, not by hearsay, how they fight corruption * !!!
        * if your nickname is related to your professional activity ...
        1. Invoce
          Invoce 24 July 2020 16: 15
          10
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Invoce
          Nobody tried to defeat corruption!

          Well, you're lying !!!!
          You know, not by hearsay, how they fight corruption * !!!
          * if your nickname is related to your professional activity ...

          No, I'm not lying! I'm worried! If we were trying to defeat corruption, then all expenses would be compared with revenues at the state level. And no one would wear a watch for a couple of million dollars, and would not live in mansions for 150-200 million American "rubles" (I mean officials). About such a trifle as real estate, companies (firms) registered with relatives, cars, medical treatment abroad, sending children to study there, getting a high-paying job in the Company, incl. with the State. participation of relatives (children), etc. (I mean officials) I'm not even talking. Under socialism, this did not happen .. do not try to cast a shadow over the fence
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 28
            -6
            Quote: Invoce
            Under socialism, this was not the case .. do not try to cast a shadow over the fence

            Was Gorbachev under socialism?
            the result is known ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 24 July 2020 16: 41
              +2
              Quote: NEOZ
              Was Gorbachev under socialism?

              An agent of influence standing at the top of power under socialism is much more dangerous than an enemy standing on the border.
              The result is known ...
            2. Revival
              Revival 24 July 2020 17: 37
              +4
              Gorbachev, Gorbachev, Gorbachev ...
              Don't you really understand what they are writing to you about?
              No, rather you get out.
              Where are the questions for the watch for a million with a salary of 50000 rubles. Here! No questions.
              And why not?
              Where is the comparison of the income of the expense and the obligatory explanation where is the difference !?
              Not! That's the whole fight ...
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 24 July 2020 14: 11
    +5
    , using the usual methods, the effectiveness of which is absorbed almost with mother's milk. After all, if such methods work and a person sees that his neighbor, having “put on his paw”, has already received permission to build, then there is a desire to follow his example.
    The author probably does not know, but in many areas this is the only method that works.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 24 July 2020 14: 23
    -3
    not. there is certainly a lot of work here, but there are still shifts. Now no one can offer a bribe to a traffic cop, and they themselves will not jump. we hung up on each camera. yes, and there were less of them or something ... I have not been stopped for several years) and I rarely see visually at all. plus with technical inspections and registration, everything is so simple that the meaning disappeared for this to give the child to the kindergarten immediately. I had to sweat to school, but here the matter is what they wanted in specific. which, in principle, is already the norm. in comparison with what was happening 10-15 years ago, the difference is very noticeable.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 24 July 2020 14: 45
      +8
      Quote: carstorm 11
      not. there is certainly a lot of work here, but there are still shifts. Now no one can offer a bribe to a traffic cop, and they themselves will not jump. we hung up on each camera. yes, and there were less of them or something ... I have not been stopped for several years) and I rarely see visually at all. plus with technical inspections and registration, everything is so simple that the meaning disappeared for this to give the child to the kindergarten immediately. I had to sweat to school, but here the matter is what they wanted in specific. which, in principle, is already the norm. in comparison with what was happening 10-15 years ago, the difference is very noticeable.

      They are now writing a number on a piece of paper. Recently put the car on record. Eliminate the defect 5000 not fix 2000 (the headlights are not standard), what do you think I chose?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 24 July 2020 14: 47
        -7
        and what do the traffic cops have to do with the headlights? they do not check the technical condition.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 34
          -7
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and what do the traffic cops have to do with the headlights? they do not check the technical condition.

          it was a question for filling))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 24 July 2020 16: 40
            -5
            I just didn't really drive in. they have now simplified everything so much, and for the last time they only looked at wines and that's it. signed up on an Internet came all quickly passed and received. what kind of lights are there for me personally strange.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 45
              -7
              Quote: carstorm 11
              I just didn't really drive in.

              yes, he invented everything to discredit the authorities ...
              so also writes that he broke the law !!!! (the headlights are not standard).
              by law, his vehicle is prohibited for operation .... and this type blows on the corrupt government?
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 25 July 2020 23: 13
                +2
                Quote: NEOZ
                yes, he invented everything to discredit the authorities ...

                Your conclusions are unfounded and characterize you as a very narrow-minded person. What grounds do you have for accusing me of lying?
                Quote: NEOZ
                so also writes that he broke the law !!!! (the headlights are not standard)

                With what headlights I bought a car, with those I operate. Moreover, the installed headlights are much better than the standard ones.
                Quote: NEOZ
                and this type blows on the corrupt government?

                Are you saying that the government is not corrupt? Or do you admit that the government is corrupt? I did not really understand this from your post.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 26 July 2020 04: 13
                  0
                  abnormal headlights darkness. no one gets to them and no one forbids changing them. the main thing is that they would pass MOT. which the traffic cops have not carried out for a very long time. I have all the optics tuned in a circle. everything.

                  and there are no problems with passing it.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 25 July 2020 23: 14
            +1
            Quote: NEOZ
            it was a tricky question

            Have you registered the car for a long time?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 26 July 2020 04: 20
              0
              I put. last year my wife's car. signed up on the site brought. went in. gave the documents. the inspector came out and checked the wines and that's it. it took a minimum of time and no one looked at any headlights or anything else. didn't even try.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 25 July 2020 23: 16
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and what do the traffic cops have to do with the headlights? they do not check the technical condition.

          https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5+%D0%BA+%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC+%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5+%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%8E%D1%82+%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
          Enlighten yourself.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 26 July 2020 03: 47
            0
            why are you bothering me? you clearly said that when registering, the traffic cop got to the bottom of the headlights. when staging, the technical condition of the car is not checked, but only the body number is checked. you put it at night so that he would see the changes? Or is there a headlight test stand at the registration site? excuse me, but now you are lying a little.
        3. Malyuta
          Malyuta 26 July 2020 00: 27
          +6
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and what do the traffic cops have to do with the headlights? they do not check the technical condition.

          I am very sorry, but the traffic cops are directly related to the car and to the headlights as well. For example, if you decide to put a Chinese xenon or a kenguryatnik, then the gay people will definitely shake your money and soul out of you, and if you have neither one nor the other , then a tow truck and a parking lot are guaranteed to you.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 26 July 2020 03: 55
            0
            he as the Chinese xenon define?) in the afternoon. on the site when registering? X-ray in the eyes?) But that's not even the point. I repeat, the man clearly said that when registering, the traffic cop got to the bottom of the headlights. it's fiction. I basically do not understand why people put left xenon. it's stupid and outdated for 15 years already. The last time I had this on the Mark 2 Tower was in 2001. Since that time, xenon and diodes have been setting everything up for a long time. The kenguryatnik is prohibited for installation in general for about 20 years, probably if not more. you will be fined anyway and forced to take it off. shake the money off you for what? what would you be able to get to the next post or crew?) of course you will be put under arrest - you make changes to the car prohibited by law. talk about the fact that the traffic cops suddenly began to check the headlights on the site when registering the car) go to the traffic police website and see how the car is being registered now, and then get into the conversation.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 26 July 2020 08: 52
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              talk about the fact that the traffic cops suddenly began to check the headlights on the site when registering the car) go to the traffic police website and see how the car is being registered now, and then get into the conversation.

              I report that in my presence they did not miss the "kid's understated seven", they sent me to put the standard springs. At the car, before looking at the sales contract, they check the wines, take pictures of the wines, after which they take pictures of the car from different sides. In my case, since I had non-standard headlights, I stood so as to close them.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 26 July 2020 10: 13
                0
                I have no idea what a kid's seven is. I also have no idea how they, without checking on the stands, can give conclusions purely visually. I also do not understand on what basis they can prohibit something from you if you have already passed MOT as you received OSAGO, which means you have it by default. How did you go through it if you have changes in the design of the car such that they do not even correspond to the documentation for the car? (although since when did they begin to indicate samples of standard optics .....) because only for this reason he could wrap you up in theory. I have all the optics in a circle. there is nothing regular. not a single question and I didn’t even hear anyone asking them at all. since now optics are sold to replace the darkness and it is not prohibited. what did you register there? KAMAZ ?!
              2. NEOZ
                NEOZ 26 July 2020 12: 06
                0
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I report that

                and you are a dreamer, however ... you also call me names ...
                and yes, I put the car on record in 2019
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 24 July 2020 14: 47
      16
      Now no one can offer a bribe to a traffic cop, and they themselves will not jump.

      Bugaga ... It's good to whistle! They put their car in cancer so as not to get into the shooting, and they themselves knock off money in the fresh air. This is how I define - if the driver is "marinated" on the street, then "bargaining" is underway. It's corny the cameras are turned off or the amount is written on a piece of paper. And when deprivation "shines", they must ask if there is someone to "call".
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 24 July 2020 14: 51
        -8
        everyone has their own experience. I have long forgotten what it is to communicate with the traffic cops. Even for toning last year, the crew passed by were told to take it off, otherwise they would be fined and then flooded. I never took it off) my wife would only still not catch the letters of happiness Schumacher pancake), by the way, they cannot turn off the camera. besides in the car they also have a breastplate. at least with us.
      2. Whiteidol
        Whiteidol 24 July 2020 15: 13
        0
        And what prevents you from turning on the dictaphone when the inspector stops you and rewrite the banknote numbers before leaving? They gave money, immediately a call and transfer of information ...
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 24 July 2020 16: 36
        -7
        Quote: lexus
        This is how I define - if the driver is "marinated" on the street, then "bargaining" is underway.

        so you would be judged in court !!!!!
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 24 July 2020 15: 21
      -6
      Quote: carstorm 11
      in comparison with what was happening 10-15 years ago, the difference is very noticeable.

      it's you at the everyday level ...
      I can tell you that more global shifts are taking place in the professional sphere !!!
      this applies to any department! at any level of control!
      if somewhere it was possible through corruption what to do (illegal) then this is a matter of a short time, how you will be taken out to clean water.
      I will give a simple example: in the 2000s, cashing out money was no more than 2% of the amount ...
      2020 year - it is cheaper to pay all taxes and withdraw cash into dividends !!!!!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 24 July 2020 15: 24
        -5
        it makes no sense to say it) believe me, I know. cashing and, in general, money under such control is squeezed that everyone fled from this topic a long time ago. even with gray money no one contacts. you don't even have to talk about blacks.
        1. Revival
          Revival 24 July 2020 17: 43
          +6
          Yes, with one aspect, those who "need a leg" withdraw billions "legally" without any "cashing"
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 26 July 2020 00: 44
          +3
          Quote: carstorm 11
          it makes no sense to say it) believe me, I know. cashing and, in general, money under such control is squeezed that everyone fled from this topic a long time ago. even with gray money no one contacts. you don't even have to talk about blacks.

          That's right, the OCG should control all the Fin streams, but the OCG members can do it, the Khrfntsuzy took the Kerimka by the ass with the cash, but the glass was immediately worried and expressed concern, the Kerimka was ripped.
          and two colonels for two had several TONS of cash and another 18 tons of gold !!! There are just as many zeros in your head as they stole money.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 26 July 2020 03: 39
            0
            You probably do not understand the main thing in view of your limitedness, whether from those who stole where to attach money, they would not keep it in cash !!! and it is the amount of it that shows that everything has become so tough that they simply have nowhere to put them. to wash it does not work, so they keep it at home. no one in their right mind would just do it. corruption and other illegal ways of making money must be cleaned so that you can call them yours. and these will sit on their pieces of paper and watch them rot. this is how it works all over the world, the possibilities of legalizing such income are closed. if he had the opportunity, he wouldn’t put them in banks and take them abroad? but he cannot keep it at home. put a large sum in the bank or buy something expensive, the fiscal authorities start checking you. banks transmit this information immediately.
      2. Invoce
        Invoce 24 July 2020 16: 28
        +4
        This is all about an open, legal business! About business that does not bring any significant income ... For the new feudal lords (officials for whom People (people) are the electorate and people's opinion does not mean anything) this is not interesting! None of them bother with Taxes, Courts, Police .... Power decides everything! And if someone does not like it, they can look for another job ... And this is so .. Nobody blathers against the decision of a superior leader ... All these demonstrative arrests are a game for the electorate. Like the fight against Corruption, and in the meantime, the financial or property interests of some groups are being resolved ... So purely by chance, a minus for the arrested person and + someone who is affiliated with someone who has influence ...
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 July 2020 17: 09
        +7
        Quote: NEOZ
        I will give a simple example: in the 2000s, cashing out money was no more than 2% of the amount ...
        2020 year - it is cheaper to pay all taxes and withdraw cash into dividends !!!!!

        Let me give you a simple example:

        Net capital outflow from Russia by the private sector for the six months of 2020 increased by 24% compared to the same period last year, TASS reports, citing preliminary data from the Bank of Russia.
        As specified, in 2020 capital outflow amounted to $ 28,9 billion against $ 23,3 billion in the first half of 2019.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 July 2020 22: 53
          -7
          And where is the diagram of investments in Russia for the same period - otherwise the picture is not complete
          And now complete
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 26 July 2020 01: 00
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            And where is the diagram of investments in Russia for the same period - otherwise the picture is not complete
            And now complete

            What kind of investments are you talking about? What is the investment? This is a common money laundering.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 24 July 2020 15: 44
      11
      It is natural. The upper people of the sovereign, of course, are fighting against grassroots corruption, because it undermines the fodder base .. The right to steal with impunity still needs to be earned .. But in general it is curious - how, say, the police do not take bribes, and our department has a BMW chief and a deputy. Probably - they have accumulated in serious hardships .. And so everywhere ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 24 July 2020 16: 15
        -6
        the car is now not an indicator at all. unless it is of course a hand-assembled armored helicopter. I don’t know what it means you have a BMW, but my friends ride someone on a Kruzak, someone on the date of new officers of the Ministry of Defense. and they have nothing to steal. we are also friends with the cadet. it just so happened in life that they themselves pay well and the wives are well settled. over the years have been able to afford.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 24 July 2020 17: 19
          +8
          That's how it works out for everyone - no one steals, but it worked out for everyone .. Especially among the servants of the sovereigns - in those, mostly wives are very talented in business .. And who has mother-in-law ..
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 24 July 2020 17: 25
            -7
            I don't go into other people's pockets. just saying that even a good car is not the indicator by which to judge a person. he himself was faced with the fact when the neighbors discussed at one time our cars with my wife and practically called them a thief) while not even knowing where we work. This is quite common, but still somehow annoying. Nowadays anyone can buy an expensive car. even on credit even there to sell an apartment from an inheritance or something else.
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 26 July 2020 01: 14
              +3
              Quote: carstorm 11
              he himself was faced with the fact when the neighbors discussed at one time our cars with my wife and practically called them a thief) while not even knowing where we work.

              Tell us about that "holy" well-paid place where you work and immediately submit your resume there!
              I hope you don’t use alcohol in the garage, it’s illegal.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 26 July 2020 03: 30
                0
                why this sarcasm? an ordinary employee. at that time was an average level. a couple of years after leaving the army. wife is a doctor.
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta 26 July 2020 01: 07
          +4
          Quote: carstorm 11
          it just happened in life that they themselves pay well

          I am very sorry, but they are paid from the budget money, and the table is to be, it is the people who pay them.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          and the wives were doing well.

          Here the key word "settled down" should be replaced by "settled down".
          And how to live for the rest of the people, for whom the ultimate dream is not a "date" or a Kruzak to buy, but simply to gather the children for the new school year?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 26 July 2020 03: 32
            0
            not. settled down. also made a career. one in the bank, the other in management. went from the very bottom. they got married even when they were cadets and they were ordinary girls from a nearby technical school) you don't judge others by yourself.
    5. Charik
      Charik 24 July 2020 19: 37
      +1
      take and take
  • Galleon
    Galleon 24 July 2020 14: 52
    +9
    On Fridays, VO began to publish weak articles on the topic of corruption. For what? The trend, however ...
  • Trotil42
    Trotil42 24 July 2020 14: 57
    16
    What kind of struggle is the article talking about? Author Are you delusional? Don't you live in Russia?In any Russian city or village ... the most expensive house is the mayor's house built on a beggarly salary ... anti-corruption cars pass by the house ... costing from 5 mln rubles ... Overly successful wives and children of officials open the Forbes list .. (Matvienko ) The Chairman of the Moscow City Duma showed a billion in income for the year ... they did not even conduct an audit ... according to the law ... And Navalny's video about Medvedev's real estate This is the system of government. Who will put everyone in prison?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 24 July 2020 15: 03
    +5
    Counterrevolution - devours its children smile
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 24 July 2020 15: 18
    14
    So far, the Ozero judoka clan is winning
  • smaug78
    smaug78 24 July 2020 15: 20
    +9
    Quote: Wend
    In terms of corruption, Russia is just a schoolgirl in comparison with Europe and the United States. laughing

    Will you please with examples? laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 24 July 2020 15: 29
    +2
    "A little bit" is about the same as "being a little pregnant." In general, you cannot touch the town-forming stall near the station - it is fraught. We were told that "administrative resources" and "corruption" will always exist.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 24 July 2020 15: 56
    +6
    Only Lyokha Navalny was defeated.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 24 July 2020 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: mag nit
      Only Lyokha Navalny was defeated.

      On points ... he is probably tired, or has lost interest in money
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 24 July 2020 16: 11
    +7
    To judge the level of corruption in the Russian Federation, it is enough just to walk through the picturesque places. Groves, beaches, nature reserves, municipal parks, water bodies - everything is divided between "owners without a face." And every time in front of the "curious" there is an insolent servant with a bundle of "absolutely legal documents".

    And why did the author bring the Arab Spring here ?! ... "Our" "Ben Ali" created an elite "anti-corruption" guard, intimidated the bribe-takers with thousands of "Stop corruption" sheets. The remaining corrupt officials will soon be "finished" by the TV.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 24 July 2020 16: 30
    +3
    If covetousness also existed under the USSR, now it has been raised to a degree. The attitude towards the common man has also changed. He does not receive as many benefits as civil servants receive. In short, gentlemen have achieved their rights and laugh at us. They talk about patriotism, but look how much people will go to their native dachas in a foreign land from 1 August.
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 July 2020 11: 29
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      He does not receive as many benefits as civil servants.

      What benefits do civil servants receive? Free treatment, 10 days of seniority leave, free training? What else?????
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 26 July 2020 15: 44
        0
        Sergei. Do not confuse ordinary officials with civil servants. A worker's pension is 40% of his earnings, a civil servant is 70% of his not sickly salary.
        1. your1970
          your1970 26 July 2020 17: 41
          0
          I am a civil servant (!!!!), a federal state agency - Rosreestr, I have maximum salary in our territorial department (more only for the head of the department .... by 4 thousand). My pension will be .... 14 !!!!!
          And that's a lot, on average, people get 13 ...
          We, bureaucrats, bloodsuckers of the working people, and so on ...
          And people like me, with such a salary - 95% of civil servants, the subject and municipal - even less. ...

          Nice salaries, yeah, schaz ...
          1. nikvic46
            nikvic46 26 July 2020 20: 18
            0
            Sergei. Everything that you described does not climb into any sleigh. I sympathize with you. But there are other civil servants whose salaries range from 500000-1000000. Imagine what their pension will be. We are often told that we envy super-rich people. This is nonsense. He envies those who approached wealth, but for a number of reasons could not become so. If you said something wrong, sorry. Health to you.
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 July 2020 00: 22
              +1
              Civil servants with a salary of 500 per month for the whole country is a couple of thousand, no more ...
              This is the level from the head of the state body of the region (far from all of ours, for example, 2,6 million last year, that is, about 150 per month), the deputy minister, the minister .. Pensions are not relevant to this level ...
              If you wish, you can look at the websites of government agencies, there are official declarations of income and expenses of all civil servants .. ..
              I repeat, there are very few people with salaries of 100 per month in the civil service, very few ...
  • tatra
    tatra 24 July 2020 16: 50
    +7
    The comments of the enemies of the communists once again proved that they are capable of creating a bunch of problems for the country and the people, but they are categorically incapable of not only solving problems, but even discussing them honestly and objectively. As always, "and this was in the USSR, and this is in other countries." and everything is "problem solved".
    I can’t be responsible for the whole USSR, but under Andropov, Moscow trade and catering were great, thousands were fired, many were imprisoned, including - they called trade and public catering workers, and asked them - where did you get it with a salary of 80 - 150 rubles, a cooperative apartment, a summer residence, a car. This is not exactly corruption, but according to the same principle in countries where corruption is really fought, corrupt officials and bribe-takers are calculated. And in Russia, created by those who have been squealing since Perestroika that they, and others like them, were imprisoned by the Soviet communists exclusively "for nothing", and there is no trace of the correspondence between incomes and expenditures of people, starting with officials.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 July 2020 23: 00
      -5
      This is how AI will introduce the blockchain system into the entire financial system of the country, as well as tracking expenses and incomes for all subjects and all citizens with strict audit, then corruption will disappear along with it, bribery and everything accompanying will disappear, but this is the next stage after the implementation of the digital economy.
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 July 2020 11: 30
      0
      Quote: tatra
      But under Andropov, Moscow trade and public catering were thoroughly scoured, thousands were fired, many were imprisoned,

      That is the communists under Brezhnev they created this system of corruption - which under Andropov had to be broken ???
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 24 July 2020 17: 11
    +3
    Well, for example, in commercial offices, it seems that they shouldn't tyrit, because the business strictly monitors its good, however, tyryat very cheerfully, everything that you can reach.
    Tyrschyaki are divided into two parts, some tyryat from the territory of the office, others on kickbacks when concluding contracts.
    There they have ruffled schemes, multi-level owners lead by the nose competently.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 24 July 2020 20: 45
      +1
      And this is also there. It depends on what kind of owner the business is.
      1. Qwertyarion
        Qwertyarion 25 July 2020 08: 30
        +3
        This topic is relevant if the business is very large wink
  • Million
    Million 24 July 2020 17: 11
    +6
    Corrupt feudal capitalism is the current political system that is currently invincible.
  • alone
    alone 24 July 2020 17: 12
    +5
    Corruption is a worldwide problem, but how it has taken root throughout the post-Soviet space is simply terrible. Almost everyone takes it .. and those who don't want to take it are destroyed by the system
    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 24 July 2020 21: 48
      +1
      The problem is much deeper. They do not take it if not from "theirs", and if from "theirs", then you can not even bring in. The main thing is that the candidate's saliva from the mouth is clearly not flowing at all. )
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 24 July 2020 17: 30
    +8
    Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?

    But how. When you turn on the TV, you cannot see a single corrupt official there, only decent officials and honest representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  • Drugov
    Drugov 24 July 2020 17: 34
    +6
    Demonstrative catching of all these small fish is nothing more than an imitation of violent activity to blow off excess steam. They caught the parasite, threw it with its muzzle on the asphalt and now the society is buzzing approvingly, they say the cat catches mice.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 July 2020 17: 37
    +4
    Purely subjective opinion based on one's own being. winked On the roads, the traffic police does not twist in impudent baksheesh, and it's scary to offer it yourself. You can fly into the article. Municipal officials have ceased to be impudent. The arrogant can be intimidated. I don’t know what the situation is in high offices. Not logged in. laughing
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 18: 25
    0
    if it is not possible to defeat corruption, then it is necessary to lead it
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 24 July 2020 18: 29
    -4
    But now I understand who is who ... Useful topic and comments. I read it and was horrified - how many fans of Oval (or Anal? Oh, yes - Navalny) are here. Hmmm ... something is wrong on this site ... I was surprised by a large number of people who just crap on Russia, that you shouldn't tell them how not to present news or an analytical article ... it's useless ... they don't care everything is bad everywhere. Let's say - the red army won in the Second World War - literally in the third, fourth message there will be whining about the loss of which could not have been, they will begin to remember the failed operations, Vlasov, etc. etc. And okay, if it were normal criticism, but forgive me this is already a system - systematic work to discredit Russia. Having read enough of this, I came to the conclusion that there are much more enemies masquerading as patriots of the fatherland here than people. And these disguises are much more dangerous than the obvious Sumerians or liberals, they at least say what they think. And these ... these rats.
    1. border
      border 27 July 2020 13: 45
      0
      There is nothing worse than thoughtless orders and orders "just to do something." The less managers of various ranks give reasons for criticism, the more difficult, as you said to the “enemies,” to rock something. And if you do not point out the various "punctures", then they will believe that they are not sinful and not replaceable.
  • 123456789
    123456789 24 July 2020 19: 10
    +1
    Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?

    it's like being a little pregnant
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 24 July 2020 20: 41
    0
    managed to systematize and put on stream.
    at the same time, have control and are not particularly close on the hook ... pouring out to bulk, he pours into the network and this is one of the bells, like a warning shot up ...
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 24 July 2020 20: 49
    0
    "This is a monument. Ktozh will plant it" - I immediately remembered.

    PZhV will not fight PZhV. Better to characterize Navalny, Echo of Moscow, the 5th column, Armenians, Turkey, Europe, the United States, and of course Honduras.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 24 July 2020 21: 14
    0
    Corruption begins with the most primitive))) When a driver violates driving rules, and, instead of being liable under the law, he, personally, shoves money to the traffic police inspector bully

    Until a "revolution" occurs in the minds of the people, corruption will live and flourish yes

    Now, if one ... two ... a thousand ... people of Moulienne complained to the Prosecutor's Office that they are extorting bribes - maybe things would go well ... in the sense - in the fight against corruption ... so ... so while everything suits everyone (((
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 24 July 2020 21: 27
    +1
    It depends on what kind of corruption to fight If it is stupid with theft and "development" then this is about nothing But if with the "family" "blatovstvo" "connection", then what is the struggle imperceptibly
  • Charik
    Charik 24 July 2020 23: 18
    +1
    from this vidos, I tore my belly with laughter-https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = qaDnbjQBFHM & t = 976s
    1. Charik
      Charik 24 July 2020 23: 30
      0
      watch from 15m 30s
  • depressant
    depressant 25 July 2020 01: 19
    +2
    So what is special about our anti-corruption laws?
    According to the well-known economist Mikhail Delyagin, in order to fight against those corrupt officials who did not have time to escape, it is first of all necessary to legally expand the list of those seized. At the moment, only real estate, cars, yachts and securities can be confiscated from deputies and officials. And only if it is proved that the wealth was acquired illegally. “But cash, money from bank accounts, jewelry and, most importantly, assets in foreign trusts cannot be confiscated from civil servants, even if their legality has not been confirmed. As a result, corruption is flourishing "
    So the laws need to be changed? And who will do it - really the State Duma?

    Another flaw in the legislation. If the steal is actively repenting (there is such a term) and cooperates with the investigation, then his losses may be small, and he will keep most of the stolen goods.
    For example, ex-minister Alexei Ulyukaev. Let's leave aside the question of how exactly he got caught on a bribe of $ 2 million (about 130 million rubles). His accounts and real estate for 560 million were arrested. And what? After the verdict, Ulyukaev paid a fine of 130 million, and the court returned the remaining 430 million to him. Withdrawals in favor of the state of all property did not occur, fine and free As a result, most corrupt officials continue to steal, and the further, the more, knowing that after serving in comfortable conditions and a relatively small fine in comparison with the stolen, they will return to most of the stolen. Colonel Zakharchenko through lawyers demanded that the confiscated be returned to him! These are the laws - all by themselves with a corruption component. In accordance with the laws, corrupt officials plan their own lives. The main thing is to get through to the desired position. He made his way, stole, served time - master!

    Moreover, there are no legislative requirements for Russian banks to disclose information on the transactions of individuals and companies that do business not only in countries that have adopted sanctions against Russia, but also abroad in general. This is a special "merit" of Siluanov.
    And negligible number of inquiries are made to foreign banks. They refuse to disclose information on kraduns, since our law enforcement officers are either helpless in drawing up justifications, or they are tied themselves and make unreasonable requests.
    And so we sink in.
    1. your1970
      your1970 26 July 2020 11: 37
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      After the verdict, Ulyukaev paid a fine of 130 million, and the court returned the remaining 430 million to him. There were no seizures in favor of the state of all property, the fine and free belay belay
      .

      Actually he is sitting.....
      1. depressant
        depressant 26 July 2020 12: 53
        +1
        Colleague, he is sitting. And then it will come out to its 430 million and will flourish somewhere abroad. And if the fate of Ulyukaev interests me, it is only from the point of view that concerns the withdrawal of these 430 million abroad, as well as other non-confiscated goods. I am sure the laws are such that it will. All analysts talk about this, not only Delyagin.
        1. your1970
          your1970 26 July 2020 13: 48
          0
          After 10 years? Millions? He must first sit out until the end of the term ...
  • Ksanatos
    Ksanatos 25 July 2020 09: 39
    -4
    Endless whining and moaning
  • Garant_Solntselikij
    Garant_Solntselikij 25 July 2020 17: 59
    0
    Brothers from the 90s who are now in power will fight corruption, it's funny))
  • Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 25 July 2020 18: 39
    +2
    Puzzled by the title of the article: "Corruption in Russia: has you managed to overcome it at least a little?"
    And who - up there - was going to do this? Nightmare effective managers - so tomorrow in the same Apple they will be torn off with their hands (and these are not my words).
  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 July 2020 19: 08
    +1
    Quote: OlfRed
    Quote: Svarog
    But for some reason wrestlers are not interested ... probably because their own ..

    IMHO, Yes, because pulling one thread, it can lead to the "powerful of this world", which is why the fight against corruption has its own "bar" which should not be crossed ... They do not cross it
    "The main thing in investigative actions is not to get out on ourselves." (from) hi

    good Uh-sure, otherwise you won't end up "laughing"! lol hi
  • BAI
    BAI 25 July 2020 19: 37
    +1
    Despite the constant arrests of corrupt officials

    13 guber in 10 years, is it constant arrests? Why is Putin worried: "Where are the landings?"
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 26 July 2020 23: 36
    0
    "fight against corruption" ... (c)
    No comment...))
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 29 July 2020 12: 10
    0
    Our country at the moment is a system built only for the prosperity of corruption, corrupt officials, and for corrupt officials. Did they manage to overcome themselves? It will sound very unexpected, but failed. Miracles ...
  • engineer alex
    engineer alex 29 July 2020 16: 08
    0
    Who is fighting whom:
    Power with corruption or clans among themselves with the help of power!?!?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 July 2020 06: 19
    +1
    The current order includes corruption as an inseparable part.
  • aiden
    aiden 31 July 2020 02: 37
    0
    Corruption will be minimized when generation 90s + three more are reborn. Well, they put one official, a new one will come in his place, the werewolves will bite him and he will become the same as the previous one. Corruption will be on such a scale as long as there is a chasm due to the absence of a middle class between the poor and the rich.