During military exercises in the United States, one tank fired at another

American Reporters Report tank exercises in the United States Army. The American tank crews performed the maneuvers at the Fort Bliss military base.

In the materials of the American media it is reported that an incident occurred during the exercise. It is connected with the fact that the main battle tank M1A2 "Abrams", while performing live firing, fired at another tank involved in maneuvers.

From the Defense Blog reporter Colton Jones:

The incident took place on July 20 in Texas. One tank opened "friendly" fire on another. All this happened while shooting at moving targets.

The shot was fired from a distance of about 2,5 km. Used multipurpose training 120-mm projectile M1002.

Reports say that one of the tankers was wounded as a result of the shot. First aid was provided by the crew members of the combat vehicle on the spot, then he was sent to the hospital.

The M1002 projectile in the United States is used for firing as close as possible to combat. The range of its application is up to 8 km.

At the same time, it is not entirely clear for which "moving" targets it was originally supposed to use this ammunition.

It should be added that other American sources indicate the following: the tank was a supposed moving target, but "something went wrong - the shot was fired from a relatively close distance."

Comments

[Vladimir16]

During military exercises in the United States, one tank fired at another.

But it was no fucking cut

[Svarog]

The question is who are they using as a target? Maybe there was a black man in the tank who was playing as a target .. or maybe vice versa, so they decided to apologize to the blacks ..
Strange story

[113262a]

Alas, this happens often! In '84, in my 70 TP sentence, it was the same and the same consequences.

[Normal ok]

Quote: 113262

Alas, this happens often! In '84, in my 70 TP sentence, it was the same and the same consequences.

That's not the worst thing. Despite the restrictive framework, they managed to cover their prp.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Svarog

The question is who are they using as a target? Maybe there was a black man in the tank who was playing as a target .. or maybe vice versa, so they decided to apologize to the blacks ..
Strange story

Of course he was. Charging. The savages were never able to master the automatic loading system.

[spech]

BLM, isn't that racism?

[orionvitt]

As one famous hero of one film said On the other hand, all incidents in the US are now checked for racism. Let the arctic technology, too, be repainted from white to tolerant black. It will be just fine.

[aszzz888]

the main battle tank M1A2 "Abrams" fired at another tank during combat firing,

"Hit your own, ...?"

tank and was the intended moving target,

This is something Merikatosian !!!!!

[Mavrikiy]

"something went wrong - the shot was fired from a relatively close range."

The camputer failure happens.

[bairat]

Has the trail of Russian hackers been found?

[And Makarov]

Anything can happen in exercises. I'm wondering: Can Abrams really hit 8 km with a projectile?

[Fedorov]

Can not. Maximum 4 km. The T-90 has a record.

[And Makarov]

So I began to doubt something.

[Kart]

Their journalists are not worse than ours.
Could write freely for 80 km.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Fedorov

Maximum 4 km. The T-90 has a record.

?
For example, "Sprut-B" with a vertical limit of 25 degrees shoots a HE shell at 12200 m
It's too lazy to look for the tank, but the order of the numbers is the same.

[carstorm 11]

the sighting range and the range of application are a little different) at 8 it can fly and even scratch the armor, but the sighting range at such distances is physically impossible)

[Lopatov]

Quote: carstorm 11

even the armor will scratch

It "scratches" very well, it's a cumulative fragmentation. Its armor action doesn't really depend on the final speed.

[carstorm 11]

I jokingly) even put emoticons) I just realized for a long time that there is no point in writing something specific. there will be another miracle that you recently got on the shells in my opinion and will start teaching) but I’m somehow too lazy to spend time on such polemics) I wondered how you had enough nerves not to send him with such a set of nonsense)

[Wedmak]

In this case, it is a high-explosive one, as a simulator of a real cumulative one. And the fact that even this semblance of a shell pierced the armor raises questions about this armor.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Wedmak

In this case, it is a high-explosive

?

[Wedmak]

Projectile M1002 - high-explosive tracer practical projectile, range 3000m., Cost $ 800.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Wedmak

high-explosive

Nowhere is there a quantity of explosives in it.

[Wedmak]

For what he bought, for what he sold. Practical, high-explosive, tracer.

[Ka-52]

And the fact that even this semblance of a shell pierced the armor raises questions about this armor.

I remember the controversy among tank drivers on the subject of the indestructibility of the Abrams armor. In fact, it turned out to be very killable.

[hagen]

Quote: Spade

It "scratches" very well, it's a cumulative fragmentation.

".... Practical ammunition M1002 Target Practice Multipurpose Projectile - Tracer (TPMP-T or MPAT-TP-T).
The 120-mm projectile is a training ammunition that creates realistic training for a tactical anti-tank high-explosive multipurpose tracer projectile M830A1 (HEAT-MP-T). The tail stabilizer provides a safety function that limits the total flight range to less than 8000 m. An economical training device for tank artillery.
Technical specifications:
Cartridge Data: Length 984 mm (38,7 ”), Weight 22,7 kg (50,0 lbs);
Rocket fuel type M-14 (granular);
Fuel weight 7,5 kg (16,5 lb);
Chamber pressure 5545 bar (80 psi);
Projectile data: Type TPMP-T, Length 533 mm (21 "), Weight 8.165 kg (18.0 lb), Muzzle velocity 1375 m / s (4511 ft / s), Range 3000 m.,
The cost of a shot is $ 800 .... "
"...... The current set of 120-mm tank ammunition of the American army consists mainly of specialized projectiles, each of which is designed to combat targets of the same type. After being adopted in 2021, the new AMP projectile will replace the four current types of projectiles: anti-tank cumulative М830; universal sub-caliber М830А1...... "

[Kurare]

Quote: carstorm 11

... only aiming range at such distances is physically impossible.

If you are talking about flat terrain, I agree. But in the mountains they continued shooting, other conditions.

[Lopatov]

Quote: A Makarov

Can Abrams really hit 8 km with a shell?

In theory, even further.
Of course, it's harder to get in
A shot at this range is quite normal.

[And Makarov]

Quote: Spade

A shot at such a range is quite normal

Thank you, I didn’t.

[Lopatov]

At one time, tanks were even used as artillery guns for firing from the PDO.

[novel66]

even poems are
The battalion commander was ordered that day
Take the height and aim at the hills.
He can die at a height
But first I must climb it.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

At one time, tanks were even used as artillery guns for firing from the PDO.

Well yes. And the tankers had corresponding tables. And what, now it is not so?

[Razvedka_Boem]

If a canopy, then you can. And the range of a direct shot is no more than 4 km.

[Do not care]

This is a combined sabot-cumulative projectile.
But since training, then without a shaped charge. He has an initial speed of 1300 m / s.

[Sentinel-vs]

A training round hit a tank and injured one of the crew? A training round so severe that it pierced the armor? Or was the crew member not covered by armor at the time of the hit?

[Alex 2020]

Beautyaa ... good pigs)

[figwam]

An imitation of a projectile flew into the tank, but what happens if a real projectile arrives?

[BARKAS]

When I served in an anti-tank regiment, we didn't have such a normal manual for fighting tanks.

[Wedmak]

Not that it’s just a blank imitation. It's a high-explosive projectile, though. But yes, it's strange that he struck. It should have scattered lightly, leaving a couple of scratches and crumpled external devices.

[figwam]

Quote: Wedmak

It's a high-explosive projectile, though.

I realized that this is just an iron blank and not a land mine, in theory, the penetration should only be cumulative or sub-caliber, but here some kind of shame.

[sav]

Quote: Wedmak

But yes, it's strange that it struck

Apparently, Abrams from the first generations was at the exercises. The later ones, I think, are still better protected. Although ... who knows? We didn't take them apart. It’s a pity not.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon, there was no penetration, the Abrams tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008 with a pierced side shield of the tower, here is the link dated March 15, 2008 (http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads /amerikanskie-tanki-v-irake-vsja-pravda.2378/page-6), during the exercise, the "blank" M1002 hit the panoramic sight and wounded the loader with debris

[Incvizitor]

Real them from ancient RPGs were burned all the time.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: loki565

The campaign is fine, he attached it

However, I fulfilled the standard! Probably they got an A for the shooting.

[cat Rusich]

A hit was awarded (excellent in the USA) , for damage to "state property" - the bill was issued ...

[Alexander Drobyshev]

No, in fact, he missed, as the projectile hit the panoramic sight

which is only in this model, but in the M1A1 model it is not

It turns out that the OMS of the M1A2 "Abrams" tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret and only accidentally caught the sight. The photo with the broken side of the turret is a "fake" from "loki565" in order to collect more likes, on it the "Abrams" tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008. Here is the link http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/amerikanskie-tanki-v-irake-vsja-pravda.2378/page-6

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Why did you put up the wrong photo and mislead everyone? The picture shows the Abrams tank that was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008 with the broken side shield of the turret.

And this information can be easily verified. Did you try for a beautiful picture? Or do you think everyone is fools?

[jeka424]

The armor was not armor

[NDR-791]

Here is the vaunted abrashka. With a training projectile, he should not break through at close range. And he makes his way ... it turns out. Special thanks for the photo, so as not to be unfounded

[Alexander Drobyshev]

photo with a broken linden side, on it the Abrams was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008

During the exercise, the projectile hit the thermal imaging sight and wounded the loader with debris.

[mark1]

The armor turned out to be the same training ...

[dzvero]

But they were too lazy to replace the cannon with a training one

[Sly]

Where to stick

[sav]

Quote: Sly

Where to stick

The sniper was shooting.

[NEXUS]

Quote: jeka424

The armor was not armor

Abrasha's armor is not everywhere the same thickness. In some places there are areas 5 cm thick. Apparently, this training projectile just found such a site.

[D16]

The gunner received a piercing wound in the stomach and lost four fingers. The blank came to the upper side of the tower. We must pay tribute to the good MSA and high-quality practical shells ... It is better to keep silent about protection in the lateral projection. The distance was 2.6 km.

[Sentinel-vs]

From such a long distance, with a projectile not designed to penetrate armor, hit a heavy (main) tank ... Something advertised multi-layer Abrasha armor raises a number of questions.

[Vol4ara]

A millionaire gunner for the rest of his days. Fingers will most likely be sewn

[Kathernik]

The fingers will most likely be sewn. If a mechanic is scraped off the back.

[Kurare]

Quote: D16

We must pay tribute to a good MSA ...

Or just luck. As stated in the article, something went wrong. Those. gunner + MSA may (most likely) and did not want to hit.
Or maybe the tank crew did not want to kneel down with the words of Black Lives Matter, so it flew in (sarcasm).

[parusnik]

Do they have real people sitting there in the "targets" ..?

[Baloo]

Quote: parusnik

Do they have real people sitting there in the "targets" ..?

the targets ran out, and the task had to be completed, well ...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: parusnik

Do they have real people sitting there in the "targets" ..?

Robots are still very expensive.

[spech]

in "South Park" was a series called "substitute nigger"

[Incvizitor]

Look for people there ...

[Alexander Drobyshev]

In the American army, real equipment is often used in exercises to designate the enemy, adding the prefix "aggressor", for example, an "aggressor" aircraft, and use laser simulators with blanks to fire at them. It looks like this "aggressor" tank got lost and drove into the target field, where they fired practical shells. The photo with a broken side is a "fake" laid out by "loki565" to collect more likes, in reality on it the "Abrams" tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008.

During the exercises, the practical M1002 projectile hit the panoramic sight

and tore it from the roof of the tower

shrapnel of the sight inside the tank wounded the loader (he is sitting next to him). In general, it turns out that the OMS of the M1 Abrams tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret and only accidentally hooked the sight.

[DeKo]

Tank with blacks hit the tank with white

[Alex777]

Or vice versa.

[Hagalaz]

Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Hagalaz

Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

Astral Link!

[Alex777]

Infectious connection.

[Baloo]

Quote: Hagalaz

Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

There was a certain department in the administration of parapsychology under Ebn. It was headed by a major general. It is possible that experiments on aiming the evil eye and damage continue.

[Hagalaz]

Yes Yes! I heard. What, option
But it seems like they have been working in this direction since the days of the Soviet Union.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Hagalaz

Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

Maybe they are acting according to a pre-written script. ??

[Hagalaz]

Integration plan in action). You also need to kneel in front of the blacks together ...

[Reptiloid]

There is a training manual they work on it

[Simon schempp]

And now, Bendery shot their own BMP

What does the city on the Dniester have to do with it?
He did not shoot anyone.

[Kapkan]

I don't shield Amerov, but I urge everyone to be objective. Anything can happen at exercises, and in any country. No one is immune from mistakes.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Kapkan

No one is immune from mistakes.

So it is necessary to write that as a result of an error or failure, and not come up with stupid American versions, which are then laughed at all over the world. Otherwise, Estonian or Polish "hot guys" will also want to shoot at their "moving targets".

[Nastia makarova]

the trick is that a training projectile pierced the armor))))) and if a combat one ????

[Grazdanin]

Where did you see the break? Damaged anti-cumulative shield and external equipment.

[Nastia makarova]

struck a tower in the side, a tanker was wounded !!! read carefully

[Grazdanin]

Where did you see the word "struck"? When I read this news I saw the words "hit" and "hit" Link or screen please. I look at the photo, I see a damaged screen, the main armor is intact.

[Nastia makarova]

should there be a hole through and through? showed everyone to the world how tinny this tank is if it is knocked out with a blank

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Grazdanin

Where did you see the word "struck"? When I read this news I saw the words "hit" and "hit" Link or screen please. I look at the photo, I see a damaged screen, the main armor is intact.

A shot with a 2,5 km training round in the side of the tower, the gunner was torn off 4 fingers + a penetrating wound to the abdomen. Oh yeah! ARMOR!

[Grazdanin]

Where does the information for the gunner come from?

[Alexander Drobyshev]

photo with broken screen old, at least 2008

, and a practical projectile hit a panoramic thermal imaging sight and tore it out, while the gunner received a shrapnel wound in his chest and his fingers on his left hand were torn off

[Alexander Drobyshev]

The tank was hit by a practical M1002 projectile into a panoramic thermal imaging sight (the hit point in the photo is highlighted in blue)

and he was vomited from the body (highlighted in red in the photo)

at the same time, the gunner received a shrapnel wound in his chest and four fingers on his left hand were torn off. The practical M4 projectile is not high-explosive as some write, but it has a pyrotechnic charge with a proximity fuse to simulate an air blast, traces of its explosion are visible on the adjacent sight (pictured)

The photo with the broken side screen is old, at least 2008, it is easy to find it in an article about RPG-29 "Vampire" dated March 15, 2008. And based on all this, it turns out that the M1 Abrams tank control system is worthless, from a distance of 2,6, Missed XNUMX km on the tank, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight.

[Grazdanin]

In general, I agree, but most likely the loader was wounded. The original source says that one of the crew members was wounded and the commander was helping. The loader and gunner remain. The loader closest to the point of impact.

[Grazdanin]

What did you mean? The shell hit the tank without breaking through, wounded the loader or gunner, because the loader closest to the point of impact and the photo shows blood at the loader's site, then most likely he was wounded. That's all.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

for some reason, it stuck in my memory that the gunner is on the left, the commander is on the right, and the loader behind the gunner, my jamb, I can see I'm getting old

[Grazdanin]

The main thing is understood each other Local commentators also confused me on the first one. 9/10 didn't even read the news here. Thanks for the adequacy, this is rarely seen here.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

It looks like because of them I got stuck, and I just saw a photo with a punched side, for example, in an article about a punched Chinese tank (link https://3mv.ru/144994-russkie-prosto-probili-nash-tank- naskvoz-kitaycy-posle-popytki-prodat-indii-svoy-tank-vmesto-t-90.html)

[Grazdanin]

Yeah, so you need to look at the source. The half of the article will not be retelling correctly, the important half will simply not be written. In the primary sources, everything is clear and understandable.
https://defence-blog.com/news/army/u-s-army-abrams-shot-another-tank-during-training-exercise.html/amp#click=https://t.co/jSuBIvSowA

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Looked at the crew diagram, you are right, it turns out that a fragment of the sight flew into the loader

[Katanikotael]

the negro flew in ...

[Alexander Drobyshev]

again, damn it, not tolerant ...

[7,62x54]

Was the person who shot, or in the target tank wounded?

[donavi49]

At the target.

This is a practical projectile - a ballistic copy of their multifunctional cumulative. That is, it is a healthy steel bar. So she flew in from 2600 meters successfully. Or rather, not successfully, not into a normal projection, but into the side.

And it imitates the M830A1 projectile most used in the Abrams.

[Grazdanin]

From 2600 meters at night on a moving tank, this is an excellent result. It is a pity that with the victims.

[Nastia makarova]

excellent anti-advertising of abrams as a tin can

[Charik]

aha with closed eyes from around the corner

[Livonetc]

Read the comments and the attached photo.
Hitting the tower compartment with a break.
The injuries of the gunner of the affected Taka are also described.

[Grazdanin]

Where is the penetration visible? I see only the damaged Anti-cumulative screen

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

Where is the penetration visible? I see only the damaged Anti-cumulative screen

Yeah ...
You just have to figure out how, without breaking through, the gunner managed to get wounded in the stomach and lose his fingers.

[Grazdanin]

What to invent? I was driving in the hatch, in the stowed position. If it had struck there 2-3 two hundredths were, and not one three hundredth.

[Nastia makarova]

the tower was struck

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

If it had struck 2-3 two hundredths there

This is an ordinary blank.

Quote: Grazdanin

I was driving in the hatch, in the stowed position.

So we will write down: during the shooting, the gunner "rode in the hatch in the stowed position."
Moreover, in the loader's hatch, because the gunner does not have his own


Burn on ...

[Ka-52]

Burn on ...

this "citizen" either from the Sumerians, or from their ilk - to the last will defend the owners

[Grazdanin]

Give at least one photo where you can see the penetration of the armor, and not the screen or a link to a reliable source where it is written that it was pierced. Even in this news, there is no info about the breakout.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

Give at least one photo

Once again, the gunner is wounded.
This is impossible without breaking through the armor.

[Grazdanin]

This is your speculation. How he could have been wounded I wrote, I was driving in the hatch. Your argument that this is the loader's hatch is ridiculous. As if they are in kindergarten, and if this is the loader's hatch, another member of the crew cannot go in it.
If you're talking about breaking through, then give at least some evidence. I read this news in 3-4 places, there is no talk of breaking through.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

These are your speculations

Quote: Grazdanin

How he could have been wounded I wrote, I was driving in the hatch.

In which one, in the commander's hatch or in the loader's hatch?

Quote: Grazdanin

Your argument that this is the loader's hatch is ridiculous. As if they are in kindergarten, and if this is the loader's hatch, another member of the crew cannot go in it.

Of course it cannot.
This is elementary
The loader's hatch is located above his place in the tank.
Therefore, in order for the gunner to be able to protrude out of the loader's hatch "in the field", it is necessary to put this loader in the gunner's place
That even for "on the road" is an inadequate solution.

[Grazdanin]

https://defence-blog.com/news/army/u-s-army-abrams-shot-another-tank-during-training-exercise.html/amp#click=https://t.co/jSuBIvSowA
Original news. The word is used
hit - hit or hit, not broke through.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

Original news. The word is used

So what?
The point is that the appearance of the gunner in the loader's hatch is impossible.

So that....

[Ka-52]

How he could have been wounded I wrote, I was driving in the hatch. Your argument that this is the loader's hatch is ridiculous

maybe your nonsense is ridiculous that a crew member goes on a marching ground when performing live firing? Especially considering that the tank was directly in the firing sector.

[Grazdanin]

I'm just asking you to provide proof of breaking through the armor and not the screen. Why was the gunner wounded and why the tank fired at his own, they were there to deal with themselves. So far, I see a photo of a damaged screen and unbroken armor. I gave the option of how the gunner could have been wounded, I do not claim that this was so, because there is no evidence of this. As there is no evidence of breaking through the armor.

[Interlocutor]

I brought the option of how the gunner could have been wounded,

In your photo. Please note that the inside of the hatch is clean. The armor is slashed by fragments of a blank. The hatch (inside) is clean. Well, or the body nafig took over everything. Then litter. Bobik is dead.

[Grazdanin]

The shell hit the panoramic thermal imaging sight, and most likely the loader was wounded by shrapnel. There is no penetration. Everything is clear from the photo, we figured it out.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Spade

This is impossible without breaking through the armor.

Well, why, perhaps - as a result of a shell hitting the armor without penetrating it, fragments are formed on the inside of it, theoretically capable of hitting the crew, even through the lining.

[Lopatov]

Quote: PSih2097

Well, why, perhaps - as a result of a shell hitting the armor without penetrating it, fragments are formed on the inside of it, theoretically capable of hitting the crew, even through the lining.

It's unlikely.
The liner must be damaged in order not to fulfill its function.
In addition, here the gunner's clearly panoramic sight flew away

[PSih2097]

Quote: Spade

It's unlikely.

Well I wrote that theoretically, because theory and practice are not the same thing.

[Grazdanin]

Lopatov, as always, "lies". A blank hit the tank, after which one of the crew members was injured. This is either a gunner or a loader. Judging by the place of contact and the photo of blood, this is still a loader. There is no photo penetration and the news says “hit / hit”. There is a photo of damaged screens. How could one of the crew members be injured, I see 2 ways: he was in the hatch or fragments of internal equipment.
https://twitter.com/Defence_blog/status/1286001984248709121?s=20

[Wedmak]

Gunner? Was he driving in the hatch? On tank shooting exercises?

[Grazdanin]

Why not? Human stupidity canceled? Did he expect his own people to shoot at him? This is the same guess as breaking through the armor (the screen is damaged, this is clearly visible), both guesses are not confirmed by anything.

[Wedmak]

Почему нет?

Nobody canceled elementary safety. Especially in the shooting area. Tank shooting.

[Grazdanin]

Elementary stupidity because of fatigue was not canceled even more. It could still hurt with fragments of internal elements, a serious blank flew in.
The original says that the training round hit / hit the tank, there is not a word about the penetration and the reasons why the gunner suffered.

[Wedmak]

a serious pig flew in.

Are you serious now? A practical high-explosive projectile flew in. It shouldn't have damaged the internal volumes at all. That's from the word in general. So, something boomed outside and that's it. The Americans, however, position this tank as the most powerful and unkillable in the world. I would understand if a cumulative arrived there, but not this under-equipment.
In addition, you can see in the photo that the surveillance device vomited, that is, there was a breakthrough.

[Grazdanin]

Therefore, I cannot understand how the gunner could have suffered in general. After the driver, this crew member is in the most protected place of the tank, from the point of impact. Therefore, the option that the gunner was for some reason in the loader's hatch during the hit seems to me the main one.

[Grazdanin]

The main question is how did you hit the gunner, and the commander with the loader did not suffer? The gunner is to the right of the gun, below the commander. The shell hit the port side. Obviously, it cannot be explained by a break.

[Wedmak]

Good question. If the bomb did break through, the gases could go any way. Pull out some device inside and hit the gunner with it.

[Grazdanin]

By the way, the original says:

One soldier was injured in an accident when the M1002 multi-purpose training round hit his tank.

One soldier was injured in an accident when the M1002 multipurpose training round hit his tank.
And blood in the place of the loader. Maybe the loader is wounded and not the gunner.
https://twitter.com/Defence_blog/status/1286001984248709121?s=20

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Wedmak

If the jointer

This projectile is a steel bar.

[Fedorovich]

If a land mine hits, it is not necessary to pierce the armor - the torn equipment and fragments of armor will do everything themselves. Another thing is that it must be very successful to hit and explode ...

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Fedorovich

With a successful hit, a land mine does not need to pierce the armor

I agree, only there was a steel blank. By the way, it's not a fact that the gunner was injured, as local commentators write, the loader could be wounded.

[Fedorovich]

Even if a blank - the initial speed is declared at 1375 m / s. Sorry, here it is very likely that even a caliber breakthrough is possible ...

[Grazdanin]

What is its speed at a distance of 2,6 km?

[Fedorovich]

Take and count.

[Grazdanin]

Either the gunner or the loader was injured, judging by the place of hit and blood, rather the loader. No penetration is visible and it is not written about it, there is damage to the screen. Here's all that is known. Everything else is fiction.

[Lopatov]

What a beautiful little picture.
Look at it carefully. On the topic "the gunner climbed out of the hatch"

[Grazdanin]

You wrote about the fact that the gunner suffered, there is no information in the primary source about this. The fact that you breathe often has already become clear for a long time.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

The fact that you breathe often has already become clear for a long time.

When do I crawl under the table from laughter?
Definitely.

Quote: Grazdanin

You wrote about the fact that the gunner was injured, in the original source there is no

Naturally.
And the blood in the photographs is educational.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Grazdanin

Why not? Human stupidity canceled?

No, it is very inconvenient to simply aim the gun while in the loader's hatch. I would even use the term "impossible"

[novel66]

and feet? if you take off your shoes?, although there is an option that the commander used it as a surveillance device

[Interlocutor]

Gunner? Was he driving in the hatch? On tank shooting exercises?

Or the hatch has opened.
Well, these guys do not have a rubber sole from the inside of the hatch. Oh no. They have a helmet with a helmet. They are eagles.
But there would be rubber, you look like my friend, just pieces of metal hit my knees. The bullet really hit him. Also a dunce. The hatch must be locked. For a government tank.

[Avior]

First, the one in the target, and then, when the target crew got there, then the one who shot

[BARKAS]

It would be nice to reward the gunner with something from our Ministry of Defense, for example, a ticket to the Crimea.

[Vita vko]

Quote: BARKAS

It would be nice to reward the gunner with something

He should be sent as an instructor to Ukraine.

[tralflot1832]

The famous black loader put the rest of the crew on their knees and demanded: I load and only whites shoot. I see racial segregation here. Well, he shot, it turns out a sniper.

[Fedorov]

My Dad served as the Chief of Staff was in Desna. With him, our tanker hit the headquarters building, T-64, Thank God everyone survived.

[Livonetc]

A distant relative of mine sent a parcel from Armmi home to Nurse.
His mother threw the shell in the trash ...
To the demobilization, he, drunk with his friends, went for a ride on an armored personnel carrier and shot down a man to death.
The inadequacy is the same everywhere.

[chenia]

Quote: Fedorov

With him, our tanker hit the headquarters building,

No, the headquarters is far away, usually at night on the tower (classic of the genre).

[beeper]

Or, more often, at night firing, carried away by the search for a target, the gunner "twisted" without memory "the Cheburashka (the control panel of the two-plane tank stabilizer of the FCS)" and "lost orientation (in the direction)" - thrashed from the the next path of the headmistress.
On the tower, yes, it also hit!
Human factor!
Not so rare accidents during intensive study.
On the teachings always contingencies and losses in personnel happen (well, if not lethal!)!

We, Soviet tankers, knew about the weak side projections of the "impenetrable" M1 "Abrams" since the beginning of the 80s (by the way, any tank has a vulnerable projection, therefore there are "safe maneuvering angles" of the tank, usually within + - 25 ÷ 30 ° from the direction of movement to the front of the enemy anti-tank defense system!).
During the US attack on Iraq, in the vicinity of Baghdad, there was a case of the defeat of the M1A2 "Abrams" even from the large-caliber DShK machine gun from behind, through the huge "lattice" of the engine-transmission compartment - the American tank burned out!

[Alexander Drobyshev]

"Abrams" from DShK was a little not so hit. An additional auxiliary power unit (APU) for the turret rotation system is mounted at the rear of the tank turret

it was protected by 15 mm thick armor and so it was set on fire from the DShK, then the burning fuel from it fell on the main engine through the "grate" of the engine compartment and the tank burned out. The Americans took this into account and now there is a box of 40 mm armor

[Interlocutor]

With him, our tanker hit the headquarters building, T-64

,
Returned not on a pair of worms? It happens. And with a shell in the barrel?

[semuel]

Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?

[Baloo]

Quote: semuil

Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?

The armor was supplied from Ukraine.

[aszzz888]

semuil (Skakunov Sergey Yuryevich) Today, 07:58
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Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?

Presumably made of armor steel)) ... Although fig knows him, maybe they were blinded from Canadian plywood. And judging by the hole in the tower, it generally seems to be made of tin.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: aszzz888

judging by the hole in the tower, it generally seems to be made of tin.

So yes, this is the screen.

[tralflot1832]

In distant childhood there was a song, we remove one word. Our Abrams are made of papers and blotting paper!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: semuil

Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?

Shchaz will go to all arms exhibitions advertising P-Soviet training shells ...

[Incvizitor]

Blinded from what was.

[tralflot1832]

Judging by the hole in the side of the tower, all the crews of the Abrams tanks are not residents? Or Arbrams, Abrams. And where are the guys with the chariot, they also admired Abrams. Maybe the same story with the chariot? An excellent shot at the image of Abrams. And this is not a sight at towers lying around?

[aszzz888]

tralflot1832 (Andrey S.) Today, 08:12
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Judging by the hole in the side of the tower, all the crews of the Abrams tanks are not residents? Or else Arbrams, Abrams.And where are the guys with the chariot, they also admired Abramsb. Maybe the same story with the chariot? An excellent shot at the image of Abrams. And this is not the sight lying near the tower?

The manuals study. Something went wrong with them.

[tralflot1832]

A hole not even from a live projectile will not enter here, we have a weighty argument today !!!

[aszzz888]

tralflot1832 (Andrey S.) Today, 08:44 NEW
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A hole not even from a live projectile will not enter here, we have a weighty argument today !!!

... express their condolences to the Merikatos abrash.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon, where did you get the idea that this hole in the screen of the Abrams tower from the M1002 practical projectile? Only from the fact that someone posted it and signed that

The campaign is fine, he attached it

and you immediately fell for it, still "it turns out that the Americans are made of chewed paper !!!". And it is corny to just check where the photo in Yandex is from for you is a great work ... In the photo with the penetration, the Abrams tank was ambushed in February 2008 in Iraq, and I myself saw this photo last year in an article about Chinese tanks.

And during the exercises, the "blank" hit the panoramic sight

and ripped it off

, inside the tank, the loader was wounded by fragments of the sight. And based on all this, it turns out that the OMS of the M1 "Abrams" tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight.

[tralflot1832]

One has already entered, cool for Abrams puffing. Probably never served.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Did you serve yourself? And where? I was on a deadline in 1997-2000. in ZhDV, the first year - a separate communications company, the second - a technical support company of the art warehouse

[tralflot1832]

GSVG 81 83 communication center in / ch35100 .so colleagues. RECEIVE 27/16 manual transmission, key.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Not quite colleagues, we had a different specificity on the "piece of iron", wire air, although we also had yours in the unit, though in a regular communications platoon at the headquarters, the "secret" also belonged to them

[Wedmak]

Judging by the hole in the side of the tower, are all Abrams tank crews not residents?

And if I understand the layout correctly, the hole is right in the ammunition storage compartment or nearby.

Isn't that a sight lying around the tower?

It seems like a panoramic observation unit. Or what is it called correctly?

[tralflot1832]

I am also a very great specialist. The GSVG is not the right connection. What was that? Ours also shot at each other. We have a stern projection. And here on the side of the 2600, who has not canceled?

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good afternoon. I already wrote this, but I will repeat: the photo with the breaking through the side of the tower is a "fake" laid out by "loki565" in order to collect more likes, in reality on it the "Abrams" tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008.

and judging by the position of the structural elements, this is the right side of the tower

On the ground, there is a panoramic thermal imaging sight (highlighted in green), located on the left side of the tower, with a clearly visible trail of the projectile impact

arriving from the front at an angle of about 40 degrees. People, I don't understand you, do you like to be deceived?

[tralflot1832]

And what can we say from the photo inside the tower.

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Panoramic thermal imaging sight CITV has a periscope design and passes through the roof of the tower

and is located on the left side of the breech and the gunner and tank commander are on the right side

When the rotary head of the sight was blown off by a practical projectile, the fragments of the lower part of the sight fell into the loader sitting next to it

[Mountain shooter]

It happens ... everything, especially during exercises. But the security of the "Abrams" in the lateral projection is "admirable".

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Yes, to catch, presumably, a grenade from the RPG-29 "Vampire" and not burn - good survivability. If you didn't know, this is an old photo.

, on it "Abrams ambushed in Iraq in February 2008, you can search in Yandex

[tralflot1832]

Well, that's all and broke off!

[Alexander Drobyshev]

There would be something to break off. A little care and you yourself would have noticed the deception, but instead began to pour slop ... What do you think will happen to our T-90 if a practical blank flies into its sight?

By the way, be in place of the M1A2 "Abrams" tank, its earlier models, for example, the M1 "Abrams"

, М1А1 "Abrams"

or export version М1А2 "Abrams"

then nothing catastrophic would have happened, since they do not have this sight. The shell would just ricochet to the top

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Drobyshev

What do you think will happen to our T-90 if a practical blank flies into its sight?

He would have smashed the head of the perescopic sight, it is likely that the gunner would have received some kind of injury from flying fragments or a shock wave

[Alexander Drobyshev]

So they have the same situation, only they have a loader sitting next to this "periscope"

[infantryman2020]

Distance 2600 m, "target" - moving, not even a copy of BOPS ...
True, it is not clear whether on the move or from the spot.
Decent skills from the gunner!
It’s bad if this is the usual result for them!

[Kart]

If the usual result is thrashing on your own, then on the contrary, it's good.

[smaug78]

The shot was fired from a distance of about 2,5 km. Used multipurpose training 120-mm projectile M1002.

That says about a good gunner and an excellent LMS.

[Avior]

It's all weird about using the tank as a target.
All optics and equipment are hung on the tank, so every practical shooting will cost a pretty penny.

[garri-lin]

In the suo, an amendment of 4-5 buildings is introduced. Target the tank. The projectile arrives at 4-5 bodies from the side. Risky. But if suo is sure, then why not. At sea, ships fire on "shields" towed by other ships. Normal practice.

[Grazdanin]

I just confused my tank with a target. There is always room for human stupidity.

[Prisoner]

"The civil war is thundering from dark to dark ...". Nothing to say - professionals.

[Wedmak]

Projectile M1002 - high-explosive tracer practical projectile, range 3000m., Cost $ 800. As a result of the hit, the driver was injured.
Well, if the fugasca got to the driver, then what will the feathered crowbar or cumulative crowbar do?

[Kart]

Giving the impression that an ordinary scrap will cope there, in the hands of a skilled fighter.

[Kurare]

Quote: Carte

... there and ordinary scrap will cope, in the hands of a skilled fighter.

Do you want to say that the worst enemy of the Abrams is our stanchion?

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Well they are real beasts

[Wedmak]

Only now I am tormented by doubts. If you hit the rear of the turret near the ammunition load, how did the mechanic drive (as they say) suffered?

[Alexander Drobyshev]

The photo with the broken screen is old, on it the Abrams was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008

and on it the right side of the tank turret, and the shell hit the sight from the left

You can ask the author why he inserted the left photo into the article

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Wedmak

Projectile M1002 - high-explosive tracer practical projectile

It is not made of aluminum and steel.

[babylon]

The gunner operator in the tank was an Iranian of Chinese origin who had Russian training

[cniza]

You wrapped up cool ...

[cniza]

During military exercises in the United States, one tank fired at another

A tank without a man could not shoot, which means the human factor, that is, sloppiness ...

[Prisoner]

If the injured mechanic also turns out to be black ... African-American, then, mother darahaya, will it be ?! They won't get away with just washing their feet.

[zwlad]

Yeah. Use a training round (not even an armor-piercing one) to pierce the turret of a modern tank!
The crew was very lucky that the shell did not hit the ammunition load.

[APASUS]

A training round hit the tank and a crew member was wounded. And here is only one question, but where is this famous armor, why the hell does Abrams take all the first places in the ratings?
This is that sweet American moment when more money is spent on advertising than on the construction of the tank !!!

[aszzz888]

APASUS (Pavo) Today, 09:12 AM NEW
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A training round hit the tank and a crew member was wounded. And here is only one question, but where is this famous armor, why the hell does Abrams take all the first places in the ratings?
This is that sweet American moment when more money is spent on advertising than on the construction of the tank !!!

Everything is as usual with the Merikatos. Advertising all the way, and under this brand - saw the dough. Trump, out of habit, will probably call abrasha excellent, and the very best in the world, and in the entire universe. But the brave)) tankers will probably just think about whether to go to battle on such a piece of iron.

[Freedim]

Quote: Hagalaz

Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

They entered into resonance with their hangers-on .. We are waiting, sir, when the opposing citizens of the square Khokhlostan will tear apart for "rags", and then you look at the "paradox" and it will work as it should overseas ... There are prerequisites ..

[vadimtt]

Yes, an unpleasant incident. The gunner is in the hospital for a long time.
Only they didn't write, what exactly was the mistake?
Forgot to put a set of combined armor on a target tank? (it is installed only before hostilities, and in "everyday life" is stored in a warehouse). Or a tank positioning error?

[Well done]

What kind of "training" projectile is this if a tanker got wounded? Maybe he got out to piss?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Grazdanin

This is your speculation. How could he be injured I wrote, rode in the hatch

AHAHA: D

[PValery53]

The loader from the damaged tank owes $ 10 and does not give it back. Now I got it in full.

[John22]

It is not said what damage the tank received and whether it was an M1.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Here is what the Voenny Obozrevatel telegram channel writes about this incident:
"... The shell accurately hit the target, hitting the top of the tower. The soldier received a shrapnel wound in the chest with lung damage and lost several fingers on his left hand.

The incident occurred during a night exercise as a result of a loss of orientation by the shooting crew, who mistook their colleagues for a range target. "

Interestingly, a few days before:
"The crew of the BMP-2 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces opened fire on a similar BMP during live firing on the territory of the Yavoriv training ground, 30 km from Lviv.

As a result of a direct hit in the tower, the commander of the crew of an infantry fighting vehicle was killed.
The preliminary version of what happened is the loss of orientation by the shooting crew. "
(Military Observer)

[Krev]

We expect in the near future from our Ministry of Defense applications to order a large batch of multipurpose training tank shells.

[Free wind]

In Israel, the Merkava pierced the side of the towers of five T-54 tanks, placed in a row, for departure. Side view, not the most protected part of the tank.

[Wedmak]

It's strange why I don't believe you?

[Alex2]

When I was in the army, this was almost a routine. As a rule, such incidents occurred during nighttime shooting. They shot at each other by mistake from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Thank God they smeared it. I have not heard of a single hit.

[Interlocutor]

They shot at each other by mistake from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

Especially when the red filters whistled or smashed from the numbers on the tower. And one tank will surely lag behind the other two. The first one stopped. The light on the numbers blinked, just like the target light, ... Oops, and from a neighbor from behind flew in chavo something. For in the night sight it was previously seen as .......... piiiiiiip.

[Alex2]

And how they fired on the tower, this is generally a song.

[Evil 55]

We had ... Behe, a turn of BT from the left direction flew into the landing force. The commander was tight, the gunner and the mechanic remained alive, the car burned out in three minutes ..

[NF68]

Cowboys in the wild west. First they shoot, then they will think whether it was worth shooting.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Yes, a good training shell, and the tank is the best, only it can damage another tank of the same type, if any other tank fired, the shell would bounce back.

[Evil 55]

Interesting ... a multipurpose training projectile .. A dummy with a soft core and close to combat external ballistics?

[Alexander Drobyshev]

Good day. Yes, this is a practical projectile M1002 imitating the ballistics of the HEAT M830A1

The shell did not pierce the armor, but hit the panoramic sight and wounded the loader with debris.

And the photo with the broken side of the tower is a "fake" laid out by "loki565" in order to collect more likes, in reality on it the Abrams tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008, here is the link (http: //www.rusarmy. com / forum / threads / amerikanskie-tanki-v-irake-vsja-pravda.2378 / page-6) And it turns out that the OMS of the M1A2 Abrams tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight.