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During military exercises in the United States, one tank fired at another

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American Reporters Report tank exercises in the United States Army. The American tank crews performed the maneuvers at the Fort Bliss military base.


In the materials of the American media it is reported that an incident occurred during the exercise. It is connected with the fact that the main battle tank M1A2 "Abrams", while performing live firing, fired at another tank involved in maneuvers.

From the Defense Blog reporter Colton Jones:

The incident took place on July 20 in Texas. One tank opened "friendly" fire on another. All this happened while shooting at moving targets.

The shot was fired from a distance of about 2,5 km. Used multipurpose training 120-mm projectile M1002.

Reports say that one of the tankers was wounded as a result of the shot. First aid was provided by the crew members of the combat vehicle on the spot, then he was sent to the hospital.

The M1002 projectile in the United States is used for firing as close as possible to combat. The range of its application is up to 8 km.

At the same time, it is not entirely clear for which "moving" targets it was originally supposed to use this ammunition.

It should be added that other American sources indicate the following: the tank was a supposed moving target, but "something went wrong - the shot was fired from a relatively close distance."
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  1. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 24 July 2020 07: 13 New
    21
    During military exercises in the United States, one tank fired at another.

    But it was no fucking cut laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 24 July 2020 08: 11 New
      11
      The question is who are they using as a target? Maybe there was a black man in the tank who was playing as a target .. or maybe vice versa, so they decided to apologize to the blacks ..
      Strange story laughing
      1. 113262a
        113262a 24 July 2020 09: 37 New
        12
        Alas, this happens often! In '84, in my 70 TP sentence, it was the same and the same consequences.
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 24 July 2020 10: 19 New
          0
          Quote: 113262
          Alas, this happens often! In '84, in my 70 TP sentence, it was the same and the same consequences.

          That's not the worst thing. Despite the restrictive framework, they managed to cover their prp.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 24 July 2020 12: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        The question is who are they using as a target? Maybe there was a black man in the tank who was playing as a target .. or maybe vice versa, so they decided to apologize to the blacks ..
        Strange story laughing

        Of course he was. Charging. The savages were never able to master the automatic loading system.
    2. spech
      spech 24 July 2020 08: 46 New
      +1
      BLM, isn't that racism?
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 24 July 2020 13: 23 New
        +2
        As one famous hero of one film said On the other hand, all incidents in the US are now checked for racism. laughing Let the arctic technology, too, be repainted from white to tolerant black. It will be just fine.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 July 2020 07: 14 New
    +1
    the main battle tank M1A2 "Abrams" fired at another tank during combat firing,
    "Hit your own, ...?" laughing

    tank and was the intended moving target,
    This is something Merikatosian !!!!! bully
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 July 2020 07: 15 New
    +2
    "something went wrong - the shot was fired from a relatively close range."
    The camputer failure happens. recourse
    1. bairat
      bairat 24 July 2020 10: 54 New
      0
      Has the trail of Russian hackers been found? soldier
  4. And Makarov
    And Makarov 24 July 2020 07: 16 New
    19
    Anything can happen in exercises. I'm wondering: Can Abrams really hit 8 km with a projectile?
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 24 July 2020 07: 36 New
      +4
      Can not. Maximum 4 km. The T-90 has a record.
      1. And Makarov
        And Makarov 24 July 2020 07: 40 New
        +8
        So I began to doubt something.
        1. Kart
          Kart 24 July 2020 08: 48 New
          -6
          Their journalists are not worse than ours.
          Could write freely for 80 km.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 July 2020 09: 06 New
        +6
        Quote: Fedorov
        Maximum 4 km. The T-90 has a record.

        ?
        For example, "Sprut-B", with a vertical limit of 25 degrees, fires a HE shell at 12200 m
        It's too lazy to look for the tank, but the order of the numbers is the same.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 24 July 2020 08: 47 New
      +7
      the sighting range and the range of application are a little different) at 8 it can fly and even scratch the armor, but the sighting range at such distances is physically impossible)
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 July 2020 09: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        even the armor will scratch

        It will "scratch" very well, it's a cumulative fragmentation. Its armor action doesn't really depend on the final speed.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 24 July 2020 09: 07 New
          +5
          I jokingly) even put emoticons) I just realized for a long time that there is no point in writing something specific. there will be another miracle that you recently got on the shells in my opinion and will start teaching) but I’m somehow too lazy to spend time on such polemics) I wondered how you had enough nerves not to send him with such a set of nonsense)
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 July 2020 09: 33 New
          +4
          In this case, it is a high-explosive one, as a simulator of a real cumulative one. And the fact that even this semblance of a shell pierced the armor raises questions about this armor.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 July 2020 09: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: Wedmak
            In this case, it is a high-explosive

            ?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 July 2020 10: 37 New
              +5
              Projectile M1002 - high-explosive tracer practical projectile, range 3000m., Cost $ 800.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 21 New
                +2
                Quote: Wedmak
                high-explosive

                Nowhere is there a quantity of explosives in it.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 24 July 2020 11: 31 New
                  +3
                  For what he bought, for what he sold. Practical, high-explosive, tracer.
          2. Ka-52
            Ka-52 24 July 2020 09: 55 New
            +1
            And the fact that even this semblance of a shell pierced the armor raises questions about this armor.

            I remember the controversy among tank drivers on the subject of the indestructibility of the Abrams armor. In fact, it turned out to be very killable.
        3. Hagen
          Hagen 24 July 2020 12: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          It will "scratch" very well, it's a cumulative fragmentation.

          ".... Practical ammunition M1002 Target Practice Multipurpose Projectile - Tracer (TPMP-T or MPAT-TP-T).
          The 120-mm projectile is a training ammunition that creates realistic training for a tactical anti-tank high-explosive multipurpose tracer projectile M830A1 (HEAT-MP-T). The tail stabilizer provides a safety function that limits the total flight range to less than 8000 m. An economical training device for tank artillery.
          Technical specifications:
          Cartridge Data: Length 984 mm (38,7 ”), Weight 22,7 kg (50,0 lbs);
          Rocket fuel type M-14 (granular);
          Fuel weight 7,5 kg (16,5 lb);
          Chamber pressure 5545 bar (80 psi);
          Projectile data: Type TPMP-T, Length 533 mm (21 "), Weight 8.165 kg (18.0 lb), Muzzle velocity 1375 m / s (4511 ft / s), Range 3000 m.,
          The cost of a shot is $ 800 .... "
          "...... The current set of 120-mm tank ammunition of the American army consists mainly of specialized rounds, each of which is designed to deal with targets of the same type. After entering service in 2021, the new AMP projectile will replace the four current types of shells: anti-tank cumulative М830; universal sub-caliber М830А1...... "
      2. Kurare
        Kurare 24 July 2020 09: 26 New
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        ... only aiming range at such distances is physically impossible.

        If you are talking about flat terrain, I agree. But in the mountains they continued shooting, other conditions.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 July 2020 08: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: A Makarov
      Can Abrams really hit 8 km with a shell?

      In theory, even further.
      Of course, it's harder to get in
      A shot at this range is quite normal.
      1. And Makarov
        And Makarov 24 July 2020 11: 05 New
        11
        Quote: Spade
        A shot at such a range is quite normal

        Thank you, I didn’t.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 43 New
          0
          At one time, tanks were even used as artillery guns for firing from the PDO.
          1. novel66
            novel66 24 July 2020 12: 49 New
            +1
            even poems are
            The battalion commander was ordered that day
            Take the height and aim at the hills.
            He can die at a height
            But first I must climb it.
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 July 2020 09: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            At one time, tanks were even used as artillery guns for firing from the PDO.

            Well yes. And the tankers had corresponding tables. And what, now it is not so?
    4. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 24 July 2020 08: 52 New
      +3
      If a canopy, then you can. And the range of a direct shot is no more than 4 km.
    5. Do not care
      Do not care 24 July 2020 14: 31 New
      -1
      This is a combined sabot-cumulative projectile.
      But since training, then without a shaped charge. He has an initial speed of 1300 m / s.


  5. Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs 24 July 2020 07: 18 New
    +8
    A training round hit a tank and injured one of the crew? A training round so severe that it pierced the armor? Or was the crew member not covered by armor at the time of the hit?
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Alex 2020
        Alex 2020 24 July 2020 08: 16 New
        +2
        Beautyaa ... good pigs)
      2. figwam
        figwam 24 July 2020 08: 49 New
        13
        An imitation of a projectile flew into the tank, but what happens if a real projectile arrives?


        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 24 July 2020 09: 14 New
          +2
          When I served in an anti-tank regiment, we didn't have such a normal manual for fighting tanks.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 July 2020 09: 31 New
          0
          Not that it’s just a blank imitation. It's a high-explosive projectile, though. But yes, it's strange that he struck. It should have scattered lightly, leaving a couple of scratches and crumpled external devices.
          1. figwam
            figwam 24 July 2020 09: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            It's a high-explosive projectile, though.

            I realized that this is just an iron blank and not a land mine, in theory, the penetration should only be cumulative or sub-caliber, but here some kind of shame.
          2. sav
            sav 24 July 2020 10: 54 New
            +8
            Quote: Wedmak
            But yes, it's strange that it struck

            Apparently, Abrams from the first generations was at the exercises. The later ones, I think, are still better protected. Although ... who knows? We didn't take them apart. It’s a pity not.
          3. Alexander Drobyshev
            Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 16: 11 New
            +2
            Good afternoon, there was no penetration, the Abrams tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008 with a broken side shield of the turret, here is the link from March 15, 2008 (http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads /amerikanskie-tanki-v-irake-vsja-pravda.2378/page-6), during the exercises, the "blank" M1002 hit the panoramic sight and wounded the loader with debris


        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 24 July 2020 10: 02 New
          +2
          Real them from ancient RPGs were burned all the time.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 24 July 2020 11: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: loki565
        The campaign is fine, he attached it

        However, I fulfilled the standard! Probably they got an A for the shooting. winked
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 24 July 2020 19: 58 New
          +1
          A hit was awarded (excellent in the USA) fellow , for damage to "state property" - the bill was issued ... sad
        2. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 16: 28 New
          +2
          No, in fact, he missed, as the projectile hit the panoramic sight

          which is only in this model, but in the M1A1 model it is not
          It turns out that the OMS of the M1A2 "Abrams" tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight. The photo with the broken side of the turret is a "fake" from "loki565" in order to collect more likes, on it the "Abrams" tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008. Here is the link http://www.rusarmy.com/forum/threads/amerikanskie-tanki-v-irake-vsja-pravda.2378/page-6
      4. Alexander Drobyshev
        Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 16: 17 New
        +4
        Why did you put up the wrong photo and mislead everyone? In the photo, the Abrams tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008 with the broken side shield of the turret.


        And this information can be easily verified. Did you try for a beautiful picture? Or do you think everyone is fools?
    2. jeka424
      jeka424 24 July 2020 08: 14 New
      +7
      The armor was not armor
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 July 2020 08: 47 New
        +5
        Here is the vaunted abrashka. With a training projectile, he should not break through at close range. And he makes his way ... it turns out. Special thanks for the photo, so as not to be unfounded am
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 16: 35 New
          0
          a photo with a broken side of a linden tree, on which the Abrams was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008
          During the exercise, the projectile hit the thermal imaging sight and wounded the loader with debris.
      2. mark1
        mark1 24 July 2020 09: 33 New
        +6
        The armor turned out to be the same training ...
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 24 July 2020 13: 14 New
          +1
          But they were too lazy to replace the cannon with a training one smile
      3. Sly
        Sly 24 July 2020 09: 59 New
        +1
        Where to stick winked
        1. sav
          sav 24 July 2020 10: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Sly
          Where to stick

          The sniper was shooting.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 July 2020 10: 53 New
        0
        Quote: jeka424
        The armor was not armor

        Abrasha's armor is not everywhere the same thickness. In some places there are areas 5 cm thick. Apparently, this training projectile just found such a site.
  6. D16
    D16 24 July 2020 07: 20 New
    26
    The gunner received a piercing wound in the stomach and lost four fingers. The blank came to the upper side of the tower. We must pay tribute to the good MSA and high-quality practical shells laughing ... It is better to keep silent about protection in the lateral projection. The distance was 2.6 km.
    1. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 24 July 2020 08: 06 New
      14
      From such a long distance, with a projectile not designed to penetrate armor, hit a heavy (main) tank ... Something advertised multi-layer Abrasha armor raises a number of questions.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 24 July 2020 10: 39 New
        0
        A millionaire gunner for the rest of his days. Fingers will most likely be sewn
        1. Kathernik
          Kathernik 24 July 2020 13: 10 New
          +1
          The fingers will most likely be sewn. If a mechanic is scraped off the back.
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 24 July 2020 09: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: D16
      We must pay tribute to a good MSA ...

      Or just luck. As stated in the article, something went wrong. Those. gunner + MSA may (most likely) and did not want to hit.
      Or maybe the tank crew did not want to kneel down with the words of Black Lives Matter, so it flew in (sarcasm).
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 24 July 2020 07: 26 New
    +9
    They have that there in the "targets" are living people sitting ..?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 24 July 2020 08: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      They have that there in the "targets" are living people sitting ..?

      the targets ran out, and the task had to be completed, well ...
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 July 2020 08: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      They have that there in the "targets" are living people sitting ..?

      Robots are still very expensive.
    3. spech
      spech 24 July 2020 08: 49 New
      0
      in "South Park" was a series called "substitute nigger"
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 24 July 2020 10: 04 New
      0
      Look for people there ...
    5. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 08: 39 New
      -1
      In the American army, real equipment is often used in exercises to designate the enemy, adding the prefix "aggressor", for example, an "aggressor" aircraft, and use laser simulators with blanks to fire at them. It looks like this "aggressor" tank got lost and drove to the target field, where they fired with practical shells. The photo with a broken side is a "fake" laid out by "loki565" to collect more likes, in reality on it the "Abrams" tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008.

      During the exercises, the practical M1002 projectile hit the panoramic sight
      and tore it from the roof of the tower
      shrapnel of the sight inside the tank wounded the loader (he is sitting next to him). In general, it turns out that the OMS of the M1 "Abrams" tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight.
  8. DeKo
    DeKo 24 July 2020 07: 27 New
    17
    Tank with blacks hit the tank with white
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 24 July 2020 07: 56 New
      +6
      Or vice versa. wink
  9. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 24 July 2020 07: 29 New
    12
    Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 July 2020 07: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: Hagalaz
      Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

      Astral Link!
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 24 July 2020 07: 57 New
        +1
        Infectious connection. bully
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 24 July 2020 08: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Hagalaz
      Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

      There was a certain department in the administration of parapsychology under Ebn. It was headed by a major general. It is possible that experiments on aiming the evil eye and damage continue.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 24 July 2020 08: 24 New
        +2
        Yes Yes! I heard. What, option good
        But it seems like they have been working in this direction since the days of the Soviet Union.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 July 2020 08: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Hagalaz
      Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

      Maybe they are acting according to a pre-written script. ??
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 24 July 2020 09: 10 New
        +1
        Integration plan in action). You also need to kneel in front of the blacks together ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 24 July 2020 09: 40 New
          0
          There is a training manual bully they work on it negative
    4. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 24 July 2020 11: 26 New
      0
      And now, Bendery shot their own BMP

      What does the city on the Dniester have to do with it?
      He did not shoot anyone.
  10. Kapkan
    Kapkan 24 July 2020 07: 35 New
    +7
    I don't shield Amerov, but I urge everyone to be objective. Anything can happen at exercises, and in any country. No one is immune from mistakes.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 24 July 2020 07: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: Kapkan
      No one is immune from mistakes.
      So it is necessary to write that as a result of an error or failure, and not come up with stupid American versions, which are then laughed at all over the world. Otherwise, Estonian or Polish "hot guys" will also want to shoot at their "moving targets".
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 24 July 2020 08: 42 New
      +3
      the trick is that a training projectile pierced the armor))))) and if a combat one ????
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 09: 31 New
        -5
        Where did you see the break? Damaged anti-cumulative shield and external equipment.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 24 July 2020 09: 46 New
          -1
          struck a tower in the side, a tanker was wounded !!! read carefully
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 24 July 2020 09: 53 New
            -4
            Where did you see the word "struck"? When I read this news I saw the words "hit" and "hit" Link or screen please. I look at the photo, I see a damaged screen, the main armor is intact.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 24 July 2020 09: 59 New
              0
              should there be a hole through and through? showed everyone to the world how tinny this tank is if it is knocked out with a blank
            2. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 24 July 2020 10: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Grazdanin
              Where did you see the word "struck"? When I read this news I saw the words "hit" and "hit" Link or screen please. I look at the photo, I see a damaged screen, the main armor is intact.

              A shot with a 2,5 km training round in the side of the tower, the gunner was torn off 4 fingers + a penetrating wound to the abdomen. Oh yeah! ARMOR!
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 55 New
                -2
                Where does the information for the gunner come from?
        2. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 13: 33 New
          0
          photo with broken screen old, at least 2008
          , and a practical projectile hit a panoramic thermal imaging sight and tore it out, while the gunner received a shrapnel wound in his chest and his fingers on his left hand were torn off
        3. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 14: 08 New
          0
          The tank was hit by a practical M1002 projectile into a panoramic thermal imaging sight (the hit point in the photo is highlighted in blue)
          and he was vomited from the body (highlighted in red in the photo)
          at the same time, the gunner received a shrapnel wound in his chest and four fingers on his left hand were torn off. The practical M4 projectile is not high-explosive as some write, but it has a pyrotechnic charge with a proximity fuse to simulate an air blast, traces of its explosion are visible on the adjacent sight (pictured)
          The photo with the broken side screen is old, at least 2008, it is easy to find it in the article about the RPG-29 "Vampire" dated March 15, 2008. And based on all this, it turns out that the M1 Abrams tank control system is worthless, from a distance of 2,6, To miss XNUMX km on the tank, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally hooked the sight.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 24 July 2020 14: 21 New
            0
            In general, I agree, but most likely the loader was wounded. The original source says that one of the crew members was wounded and the commander was helping. The loader and gunner remain. The loader closest to the point of impact.
            1. The comment was deleted.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 14: 57 New
                0
                What did you mean? The shell hit the tank without breaking through, wounded the loader or gunner, because the loader closest to the point of impact and the photo shows blood at the loader's site, then most likely he was wounded. That's all.
                1. Alexander Drobyshev
                  Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 15: 03 New
                  0
                  for some reason, it stuck in my memory that the gunner is on the left, the commander is on the right, and the loader behind the gunner, my jamb, I can see I'm getting old
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 24 July 2020 15: 58 New
                    -1
                    The main thing is understood each other drinks Local commentators also confused me on the first one. 9/10 didn't even read the news here. Thanks for the adequacy, this is rarely seen here. wink
                    1. Alexander Drobyshev
                      Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 16: 06 New
                      0
                      It looks like because of them I got stuck, and I just saw a photo with a punched side, for example, in an article about a punched Chinese tank (link https://3mv.ru/144994-russkie-prosto-probili-nash-tank- naskvoz-kitaycy-posle-popytki-prodat-indii-svoy-tank-vmesto-t-90.html)
                      1. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 16: 09 New
                        0
                        Yeah, so you need to look at the source. The half of the article will not be retelling correctly, the important half will simply not be written. In the primary sources, everything is clear and understandable.
                        https://defence-blog.com/news/army/u-s-army-abrams-shot-another-tank-during-training-exercise.html/amp#click=https://t.co/jSuBIvSowA
            2. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 14: 59 New
              0
              Looked at the crew diagram, you are right, it turns out that a fragment of the sight flew into the loader
              1. Katanikotael
                Katanikotael 25 July 2020 03: 32 New
                0
                the negro flew in ...
                1. Alexander Drobyshev
                  Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 07: 59 New
                  0
                  again, damn it, not tolerant ...
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 24 July 2020 07: 38 New
    -1
    Was the person who shot, or in the target tank wounded?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 24 July 2020 08: 01 New
      +6
      At the target.

      This is a practical projectile - a ballistic copy of their multifunctional cumulative. That is, it is a healthy steel bar. So she flew in from 2600 meters successfully. Or rather, not successfully, not into a normal projection, but into the side.


      And it imitates the M830A1 projectile most used in the Abrams.

      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 09: 35 New
        -1
        From 2600 meters at night on a moving tank, this is an excellent result. It is a pity that with the victims.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 24 July 2020 09: 48 New
          +3
          excellent anti-advertising of abrams as a tin can
        2. Charik
          Charik 24 July 2020 13: 02 New
          0
          aha with closed eyes from around the corner
    2. Livonetc
      Livonetc 24 July 2020 08: 02 New
      +4
      Read the comments and the attached photo.
      Hitting the tower compartment with a break.
      The injuries of the gunner of the affected Taka are also described.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 09: 32 New
        -5
        Where is the penetration visible? I see only the damaged Anti-cumulative screen
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 July 2020 09: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: Grazdanin
          Where is the penetration visible? I see only the damaged Anti-cumulative screen

          Yeah ...
          You just have to figure out how, without breaking through, the gunner managed to get wounded in the stomach and lose his fingers.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 24 July 2020 09: 43 New
            -9
            What to invent? I was driving in the hatch, in the stowed position. If it had struck there 2-3 two hundredths were, and not one three hundredth.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 24 July 2020 09: 47 New
              0
              the tower was struck
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 24 July 2020 09: 52 New
              +7
              Quote: Grazdanin
              If it had struck 2-3 two hundredths there

              This is an ordinary blank.

              Quote: Grazdanin
              I was driving in the hatch, in the stowed position.

              So we will write down: during the shooting, the gunner "rode in the hatch in the stowed position."
              Moreover, in the loader's hatch, because the gunner does not have his own
              laughing laughing laughing

              Burn on ...
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 24 July 2020 10: 02 New
                +6
                Burn on ...

                this "citizen" either from the Sumerians, or from their ilk - to the last will defend the owners laughing
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 07 New
                -5
                Give at least one photo where you can see the penetration of the armor, and not the screen or a link to a reliable source where it is written that it was pierced. Even in this news, there is no info about the breakout.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 24 July 2020 10: 10 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Grazdanin
                  Give at least one photo

                  Once again, the gunner is wounded.
                  This is impossible without breaking through the armor.
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 15 New
                    -9
                    This is your speculation. How he could have been wounded I wrote, I was driving in the hatch. Your argument that this is the loader's hatch is ridiculous. As if they are in kindergarten, and if this is the loader's hatch, another member of the crew cannot go in it.
                    If you're talking about breaking through, then give at least some evidence. I read this news in 3-4 places, there is no talk of breaking through.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 July 2020 10: 18 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Grazdanin
                      These are your speculations

                      laughing laughing laughing

                      Quote: Grazdanin
                      How he could have been wounded I wrote, I was driving in the hatch.

                      In which one, in the commander's hatch or in the loader's hatch?

                      Quote: Grazdanin
                      Your argument that this is the loader's hatch is ridiculous. As if they are in kindergarten, and if this is the loader's hatch, another member of the crew cannot go in it.

                      laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                      Of course it cannot.
                      This is elementary
                      The loader's hatch is located above his place in the tank.
                      Therefore, in order for the gunner to be able to protrude out of the loader's hatch "in the field", it is necessary to put this loader in the gunner's place
                      That even for "on the road" is an inadequate solution.
                      1. Grazdanin
                        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 26 New
                        -5
                        https://defence-blog.com/news/army/u-s-army-abrams-shot-another-tank-during-training-exercise.html/amp#click=https://t.co/jSuBIvSowA
                        Original news. The word is used
                        hit - hit or hit, not broke through.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 22 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Grazdanin
                        Original news. The word is used

                        So what?
                        The point is that the appearance of the gunner in the loader's hatch is impossible.

                        So that....
                  2. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 24 July 2020 10: 26 New
                    +6
                    How he could have been wounded I wrote, I was driving in the hatch. Your argument that this is the loader's hatch is ridiculous

                    maybe your nonsense is ridiculous that a crew member goes on a marching ground when performing live firing? Especially considering that the tank was directly in the firing sector.
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 39 New
                      -3
                      I'm just asking you to provide proof of breaking through the armor and not the screen. Why was the gunner wounded and why the tank fired at his own, they were there to deal with themselves. So far, I see a photo of a damaged screen and unbroken armor. I gave the option of how the gunner could have been wounded, I do not claim that this was so, because there is no evidence of this. As there is no evidence of breaking through the armor.
                    2. Interlocutor
                      Interlocutor 24 July 2020 13: 51 New
                      +1
                      I brought the option of how the gunner could have been wounded,

                      In your photo. Please note that the inside of the hatch is clean. The armor is slashed by fragments of a blank. The hatch (inside) is clean. Well, or the body nafig took over everything. Then litter. Bobik is dead.
                    3. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 24 July 2020 18: 24 New
                      -1
                      The shell hit the panoramic thermal imaging sight, and most likely the loader was wounded by shrapnel. There is no penetration. Everything is clear from the photo, we figured it out.
            3. PSih2097
              PSih2097 24 July 2020 11: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              This is impossible without breaking through the armor.

              Well, why, perhaps - as a result of a shell hitting the armor without penetrating it, fragments are formed on the inside of it, theoretically capable of hitting the crew, even through the lining.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 35 New
                0
                Quote: PSih2097
                Well, why, perhaps - as a result of a shell hitting the armor without penetrating it, fragments are formed on the inside of it, theoretically capable of hitting the crew, even through the lining.

                It's unlikely.
                The liner must be damaged in order not to fulfill its function.
                In addition, here the gunner's clearly panoramic sight flew away
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 24 July 2020 11: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  It's unlikely.

                  Well I wrote that theoretically, because theory and practice are not the same thing.
                2. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 50 New
                  -2
                  Lopatov, as always, "lies". A blank hit the tank, after which one of the crew members was injured. This is either a gunner or a loader. Judging by the place of contact and the photo of blood, this is still a loader. There is no photo penetration and the news says “hit / hit”. There is a photo of damaged screens. How could one of the crew members be injured, I see 2 ways: he was in the hatch or fragments of internal equipment.
                  https://twitter.com/Defence_blog/status/1286001984248709121?s=20
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 July 2020 10: 40 New
      +1
      Gunner? Was he driving in the hatch? On tank shooting exercises?
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 46 New
        -2
        Why not? Human stupidity canceled? Did he expect his own people to shoot at him? This is the same guess as breaking through the armor (the screen is damaged, this is clearly visible), both guesses are not confirmed by anything.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 July 2020 10: 48 New
          +1
          Почему нет?

          Nobody canceled elementary safety. Especially in the shooting area. Tank shooting.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 53 New
            -4
            Elementary stupidity because of fatigue was not canceled even more. It could still hurt with fragments of internal elements, a serious blank flew in.
            The original says that the training round hit / hit the tank, there is not a word about the penetration and the reasons why the gunner suffered.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 July 2020 11: 00 New
              +1
              a serious pig flew in.

              Are you serious now? A practical high-explosive projectile flew in. It shouldn't have damaged the internal volumes at all. That's from the word in general. So, something boomed outside and that's it. The Americans, however, position this tank as the most powerful and unkillable in the world. I would understand if a cumulative arrived there, but not this under-equipment.
              In addition, you can see in the photo that the surveillance device vomited, that is, there was a breakthrough.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 15 New
                -3
                Therefore, I cannot understand how the gunner could have suffered in general. After the driver, this crew member is in the most protected place of the tank, from the point of impact. Therefore, the option that the gunner was for some reason in the loader's hatch during the hit seems to me the main one.
          2. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 01 New
            -5
            The main question is how did you hit the gunner, and the commander with the loader did not suffer? The gunner is to the right of the gun, below the commander. The shell hit the port side. Obviously, it cannot be explained by a break.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 July 2020 11: 07 New
              -1
              Good question. If the bomb did break through, the gases could go any way. Pull out some device inside and hit the gunner with it.
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 24 New
                -1
                By the way, the original says:
                One soldier was injured in an accident when the M1002 multi-purpose training round hit his tank.

                One soldier was injured in an accident when the M1002 multipurpose training round hit his tank.
                And blood in the place of the loader. Maybe the loader is wounded and not the gunner.
                https://twitter.com/Defence_blog/status/1286001984248709121?s=20
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 25 New
                -2
                Quote: Wedmak
                If the jointer

                This projectile is a steel bar.
              3. Fedorovich
                Fedorovich 24 July 2020 11: 29 New
                +2
                If a land mine hits, it is not necessary to pierce the armor - the torn equipment and fragments of armor will do everything themselves. Another thing is that it must be very successful to hit and explode ...
              4. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 32 New
                -2
                Quote: Fedorovich
                With a successful hit, a land mine does not need to pierce the armor

                I agree, only there was a steel blank. By the way, it's not a fact that the gunner was injured, as local commentators write, the loader could be wounded.
              5. Fedorovich
                Fedorovich 24 July 2020 11: 46 New
                +2
                Even if a blank - the initial speed is declared at 1375 m / s. Sorry, here it is very likely that even a caliber breakthrough is possible ...
              6. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 54 New
                -3
                What is its speed at a distance of 2,6 km?
              7. Fedorovich
                Fedorovich 25 July 2020 09: 09 New
                0
                Take and count.
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 37 New
        -3
        Either the gunner or the loader was injured, judging by the place of hit and blood, rather the loader. No penetration is visible and it is not written about it, there is damage to the screen. Here's all that is known. Everything else is fiction.
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 25 New
      0
      What a beautiful little picture.
      Look at it carefully. On the topic "the gunner climbed out of the hatch"
      laughing laughing laughing
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 28 New
        -4
        You wrote about the fact that the gunner suffered, there is no information in the primary source about this. The fact that you breathe often has already become clear for a long time.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Grazdanin
        The fact that you breathe often has already become clear for a long time.

        When do I crawl under the table from laughter?
        Definitely.

        Quote: Grazdanin
        You wrote about the fact that the gunner was injured, in the original source there is no

        Naturally.
        And the blood in the photographs is educational.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 24 July 2020 11: 36 New
    +4
    Quote: Grazdanin
    Why not? Human stupidity canceled?

    No, it is very inconvenient to simply aim the gun while in the loader's hatch. I would even use the term "impossible"
    1. novel66
      novel66 24 July 2020 13: 00 New
      0
      and feet? if you take off your shoes?, although there is an option that the commander used it as a surveillance device lol
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 24 July 2020 13: 56 New
    0
    Gunner? Was he driving in the hatch? On tank shooting exercises?

    Or the hatch has opened.
    Well, these guys do not have a rubber sole from the inside of the hatch. Oh no. They have a helmet with a helmet. They are eagles.
    But there would be rubber, you look like my friend, just pieces of metal hit my knees. The bullet really hit him. Also a dunce. The hatch must be locked. For a government tank.
  • Avior
    Avior 24 July 2020 08: 16 New
    +2
    First, the one in the target, and then, when the target crew got there, then the one who shot smile
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 24 July 2020 07: 50 New
    +6
    It would be nice to reward the gunner with something from our Ministry of Defense, for example, a ticket to the Crimea.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 24 July 2020 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: BARKAS
      It would be nice to reward the gunner with something

      He should be sent as an instructor to Ukraine.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 July 2020 07: 51 New
    +1
    The famous black loader put the rest of the crew on their knees and demanded: I load and only whites shoot. I see racial segregation here. Well, he shot, it turns out a sniper. wassat
  • Fedorov
    Fedorov 24 July 2020 07: 53 New
    +3
    My Dad served as the Chief of Staff was in Desna. With him, our tanker hit the headquarters building, T-64, Thank God everyone survived.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 24 July 2020 08: 07 New
      +1
      A distant relative of mine sent a parcel from Armmi home to Nurse.
      His mother threw the shell in the trash ...
      To the demobilization, he, drunk with his friends, went for a ride on an armored personnel carrier and shot down a man to death.
      The inadequacy is the same everywhere.
    2. chenia
      chenia 24 July 2020 08: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Fedorov
      With him, our tanker hit the headquarters building,


      No, the headquarters is far away, usually at night on the tower (classic of the genre).
      1. beeper
        beeper 24 July 2020 10: 00 New
        +3
        hi Or, more often, at night firing, carried away by the search for a target, the gunner "twisted" without memory "the Cheburashka (the control panel of the two-plane tank stabilizer of the FCS)" and "lost orientation (in the direction)" - thrashed from the the next path of the headmistress.
        On the tower, yes, it also hit!
        Human factor!request
        Not so rare accidents during intensive study. winked
        On the teachings always contingencies and losses in personnel happen (well, if not lethal!)!

        We, Soviet tankers, have known about the weak side projections of the "impenetrable" M1 "Abrams" since the early 80s (by the way, any tank has a vulnerable projection, which is why there are "safe maneuvering angles" of the tank, usually within + - 25 ÷ 30 ° from the direction of movement to the front of the enemy anti-tank defense system!). yes
        During the US attack on Iraq, in the vicinity of Baghdad, there was a case of the defeat of the M1A2 "Abrams" even from a large-caliber DShK machine gun from behind, through the huge "lattice" of the engine compartment - the American tank burned out!
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 15: 32 New
          +1
          "Abrams" from DShKa a little not so hit. An additional auxiliary power unit (APU) for the turret rotation system is mounted at the rear of the tank turret
          it was protected by 15 mm thick armor and so it was set on fire from the DShK, then the burning fuel from it fell on the main engine through the "grate" of the engine-transmission compartment and the tank burned out. The Americans took this into account and now there is a box of 40 mm armor
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 24 July 2020 14: 01 New
      0
      With him, our tanker hit the headquarters building, T-64
      ,
      Returned not on a pair of worms? laughing It happens. And with a shell in the barrel?
  • semuil
    semuil 24 July 2020 07: 58 New
    +9
    Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 24 July 2020 08: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: semuil
      Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?

      The armor was supplied from Ukraine.
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 24 July 2020 08: 12 New
      +1
      semuil (Skakunov Sergey Yuryevich) Today, 07:58
      +1
      Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?
      Presumably made of armor steel)) wink ... Although fig knows him, maybe they were blinded from Canadian plywood. laughing And judging by the hole in the tower, it generally seems to be made of tin.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 43 New
        -3
        Quote: aszzz888
        judging by the hole in the tower, it generally seems to be made of tin.

        So yes, this is the screen.
    3. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 24 July 2020 08: 39 New
      0
      In distant childhood there was a song, we remove one word. Our Abrams are made of papers and blotting paper! crying
    4. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 24 July 2020 09: 12 New
      0
      Quote: semuil
      Training shell, distance 2,5 km, there is a wounded crew member. What is the tank made of?

      Shchaz will go to all arms exhibitions advertising P-Soviet training shells ...
    5. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 24 July 2020 10: 06 New
      0
      Blinded from what was.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 24 July 2020 08: 12 New
    +3
    Judging by the hole in the side of the tower, all the crews of the Abrams tanks are not residents? Or Arbrams, Abrams. And where are the guys with the chariot, they also admired Abrams. Maybe the same story with the chariot? An excellent shot at the image of Abrams. And this is not a sight at towers lying around? good
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 24 July 2020 08: 38 New
      +3
      tralflot1832 (Andrey S.) Today, 08:12
      +1
      Judging by the hole in the side of the tower, all the crews of the Abrams tanks are not residents? Or else Arbrams, Abrams.And where are the guys with the chariot, they also admired Abramsb. Maybe the same story with the chariot? An excellent shot at the image of Abrams. And this is not the sight lying near the tower?
      The manuals study. laughing Something went wrong with them. wink
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 24 July 2020 08: 44 New
        +2
        A hole not even from a live projectile will not enter here, we have a weighty argument today !!! hi
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 24 July 2020 13: 00 New
          +1
          tralflot1832 (Andrey S.) Today, 08:44 NEW
          +2
          A hole not even from a live projectile will not enter here, we have a weighty argument today !!!
          ... express their condolences to the Merikatos abrash. wink
        2. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 19: 28 New
          -1
          Good afternoon, where did you get the idea that this hole in the screen of the Abrams tower from the M1002 practical projectile? Only from the fact that someone posted it and signed that
          The campaign is fine, he attached it
          and you immediately fell for it, still "it turns out that the Americans are made of chewed paper !!!". And it's corny just to check where the photo in Yandex comes from for you is a great job ... In the photo with the penetration, the Abrams tank was ambushed in February 2008 in Iraq, and I myself saw this photo last year in an article about Chinese tanks.
          And during the exercises, the "blank" hit the panoramic sight
          and ripped it off
          , inside the tank, the loader was wounded by fragments of the sight. And based on all this, it turns out that the OMS of the M1 "Abrams" tank is worthless, miss the tank from a distance of 2,6 km, and this is precisely a miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 24 July 2020 11: 04 New
        +3
        One has already entered, cool for Abrams puffing. Probably never served.
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 19: 54 New
          0
          Did you serve yourself? And where? I was on a deadline in 1997-2000. in ZhDV, the first year - a separate communications company, the second - the technical support company of the art warehouse
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 25 July 2020 10: 33 New
            0
            GSVG 81 83 communication center in / ch35100 .so colleagues. RECEIVE 27/16 manual transmission, key.
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 10: 50 New
              +1
              Not quite colleagues, we had a different specificity on the "piece of iron", wire air, although we also had yours in the unit, though in a regular communications platoon at the headquarters, the "secret" also belonged to them
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 July 2020 08: 48 New
      0
      Judging by the hole in the side of the tower, are all Abrams tank crews not residents?

      And if I understand the layout correctly, the hole is right in the ammunition storage compartment or nearby.
      Isn't that a sight lying around the tower?

      It seems like a panoramic observation unit. Or what is it called correctly?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 24 July 2020 20: 47 New
        0
        I am also a very great specialist. The GSVG is not the right connection. What was that? Ours also shot at each other. We have a stern projection. And here on the side of the 2600, who has not canceled?
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 10: 09 New
          0
          Good afternoon. I already wrote this, but I will repeat: the photo with the breakdown of the side of the tower is a "fake" laid out by "loki565" in order to collect more likes, in reality on it the "Abrams" tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008.
          and judging by the position of the structural elements, this is the right side of the tower
          On the ground, there is a panoramic thermal imaging sight (highlighted in green), located on the left side of the tower, with a clearly visible trail of the projectile impact
          arriving from the front at an angle of about 40 degrees. People, I don't understand you, do you like to be deceived?
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 25 July 2020 10: 15 New
            0
            And what can we say from the photo inside the tower.
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 10: 38 New
              -1
              Panoramic thermal imaging sight CITV has a periscope design and passes through the roof of the tower

              and is located on the left side of the breech and the gunner and tank commander are on the right side
              When the rotary head of the sight was blown off by a practical projectile, the fragments of the lower part of the sight fell into the loader sitting next to it
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 July 2020 08: 14 New
    +6
    It happens ... everything, especially during exercises. But the security of the "Abrams" in the lateral projection is "admirable".
    1. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 19: 38 New
      -1
      Yes, to catch, presumably, a grenade from the RPG-29 "Vampire" and not burn - good survivability. If you didn't know, this is an old photo.
      , on it "Abrams ambushed in Iraq in February 2008, you can search in Yandex
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 25 July 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        Well, that's all and broke off! hi
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 13: 02 New
          -1
          There would be something to break off. A little care and you yourself would have noticed the deception, but instead began to pour slop ... What do you think will happen to our T-90 if a practical blank flies into its sight?
          By the way, be in place of the M1A2 "Abrams" tank, its earlier models, for example, the M1 "Abrams"
          , М1А1 "Abrams"
          or export version М1А2 "Abrams"
          then nothing catastrophic would have happened, since they do not have this sight. The shell would just ricochet to the top
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 July 2020 13: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Drobyshev
            What do you think will happen to our T-90 if a practical blank flies into its sight?

            He would have smashed the head of the perescopic sight, it is likely that the gunner would have received some kind of injury from flying fragments or a shock wave
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 13: 17 New
              -1
              So they have the same situation, only they have a loader sitting next to this "periscope"
  • infantryman2020
    infantryman2020 24 July 2020 08: 23 New
    -1
    Distance 2600 m, "target" - moving, not even a copy of BOPS ...
    True, it is not clear whether on the move or from the spot.
    Decent skills from the gunner!
    It’s bad if this is the usual result for them!
    1. Kart
      Kart 24 July 2020 08: 52 New
      0
      If the usual result is thrashing on your own, then on the contrary, it's good.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 24 July 2020 08: 23 New
    +6
    The shot was fired from a distance of about 2,5 km. Used multipurpose training 120-mm projectile M1002.
    That says about a good gunner and an excellent LMS.
  • Avior
    Avior 24 July 2020 08: 24 New
    -2
    It's all weird about using the tank as a target.
    All optics and equipment are hung on the tank, so every practical shooting will cost a pretty penny.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 24 July 2020 10: 03 New
      +1
      In suo, an amendment of 4-5 buildings is introduced. Target the tank. The projectile arrives at 4-5 bodies from the side. Risky. But if the suo is sure then why not. At sea, ships fire on "shields" towed by other ships. Normal practice.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 24 July 2020 10: 29 New
      -3
      I just confused my tank with a target. There is always room for human stupidity.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 July 2020 08: 31 New
    +1
    laughing "The civil war is thundering from dark to dark ...". Nothing to say - professionals.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 July 2020 08: 34 New
    +1
    Projectile M1002 - high-explosive tracer practical projectile, range 3000m., Cost $ 800. As a result of the hit, the driver was injured.
    Well, if the fugasca got to the driver, then what will the feathered crowbar or cumulative crowbar do?
    1. Kart
      Kart 24 July 2020 08: 53 New
      +2
      Giving the impression that an ordinary scrap will cope there, in the hands of a skilled fighter.
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 24 July 2020 09: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Carte
        ... there and ordinary scrap will cope, in the hands of a skilled fighter.

        Do you want to say that the worst enemy of the Abrams is our stanchion? laughing
        1. Alexander Drobyshev
          Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 13: 18 New
          +2
          Well they are real beasts
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 July 2020 09: 12 New
      0
      Only now I am tormented by doubts. If you hit the rear of the turret near the ammunition load, how did the mechanic drive (as they say) suffered?
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      2. Alexander Drobyshev
        Alexander Drobyshev 24 July 2020 15: 13 New
        0
        The photo with the screen breaking is old, on it the Abrams was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008
        and on it the right side of the tank turret, and the shell hit the sight from the left
        You can ask the author why he inserted the left photo into the article
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 24 July 2020 11: 43 New
      -1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Projectile M1002 - high-explosive tracer practical projectile

      It is not made of aluminum and steel.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 24 July 2020 08: 38 New
    +4
    The gunner operator in the tank was an Iranian of Chinese origin who had Russian training
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 July 2020 08: 42 New
      0
      You wrapped up cool ... good
  • cniza
    cniza 24 July 2020 08: 41 New
    +1
    During military exercises in the United States, one tank fired at another


    A tank without a man could not shoot, which means the human factor, that is, sloppiness ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 July 2020 09: 01 New
    +1
    If the injured mechanic also turns out to be black ... African-American, then, mother darahaya, will it be ?! what They won't get away with just washing their feet.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 24 July 2020 09: 03 New
    +2
    Yeah. Use a training round (not even an armor-piercing one) to pierce the turret of a modern tank!
    The crew was very lucky that the shell did not hit the ammunition load.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 July 2020 09: 12 New
    +3
    A training round hit the tank and a crew member was wounded. And here is only one question, but where is this famous armor, why the hell does Abrams take all the first places in the ratings?
    This is that sweet American moment when more money is spent on advertising than on the construction of the tank !!!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 24 July 2020 13: 06 New
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      APASUS (Pavo) Today, 09:12 AM NEW
      +2
      A training round hit the tank and a crew member was wounded. And here is only one question, but where is this famous armor, why the hell does Abrams take all the first places in the ratings?
      This is that sweet American moment when more money is spent on advertising than on the construction of the tank !!!
      Everything is as usual with the Merikatos. Advertising all the way, and under this brand - saw the dough. Trump, out of habit, will probably call abrasha excellent, and the very best in the world, and in the entire universe. wink But the brave)) tankers will probably just think about whether to go to battle on such a piece of iron.
  • Freedim
    Freedim 24 July 2020 09: 12 New
    -1
    Quote: Hagalaz
    Somehow it comes out mutually with the Sumerians. Amers UDC burned and neighboring fires on the ship. And now, Bendery shot their own BMP, followed by the Americans with their Abrams. Paradox.....

    They entered into resonance with their hangers-on .. We are waiting, sir, when the opposing citizens of the square Khokhlostan will tear apart for "rags", and then you see the "paradox" and overseas will work as it should ... There are prerequisites ..
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  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 24 July 2020 09: 16 New
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    Yes, an unpleasant incident. The gunner is in the hospital for a long time.
    Only they didn't write, what exactly was the mistake?
    Forgot to put a set of combined armor on a target tank? (it is installed only before hostilities, and in "everyday life" is stored in a warehouse). Or a tank positioning error?
  • Well
    Well done 24 July 2020 10: 37 New
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    What kind of "training" projectile is this if a tanker got wounded? Maybe he got out to piss?
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 24 July 2020 10: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Grazdanin
    This is your speculation. How could he be injured I wrote, rode in the hatch

    AHAHA: D
  • PValery53
    PValery53 24 July 2020 10: 48 New
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    The loader from the damaged tank owes $ 10 and does not give it back. Now I got it in full.
  • John22
    John22 24 July 2020 11: 30 New
    -2
    It is not said what damage the tank received and whether it was an M1.
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 24 July 2020 12: 03 New
    +1
    Here is what the Voenny Obozrevatel telegram channel writes about this incident:
    "... The shell accurately hit the target, hitting the top of the tower. The soldier received a shrapnel wound in the chest with a lung injury and lost several fingers on his left hand.

    The incident occurred during a night exercise as a result of a loss of orientation by the shooting crew, who mistook their colleagues for a range target. "

    Interestingly, a few days before:
    "The crew of the BMP-2 of the Ukrainian Armed Forces opened fire on a similar BMP during live firing on the territory of the Yavoriv training ground, 30 km from Lviv.

    As a result of a direct hit in the tower, the commander of the crew of an infantry fighting vehicle was killed.
    The preliminary version of what happened is the loss of orientation by the shooting crew. "
    (Military Observer)
  • Krev
    Krev 24 July 2020 12: 14 New
    +1
    We expect in the near future from our Ministry of Defense applications to order a large batch of multipurpose training tank shells. soldier
  • Free wind
    Free wind 24 July 2020 12: 54 New
    -4
    In Israel, the Merkava pierced the side of the towers of five T-54 tanks, placed in a row, for departure. Side view, not the most protected part of the tank.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 July 2020 15: 08 New
      +2
      It's strange why I don't believe you?
  • Alex2
    Alex2 24 July 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    When I was in the army, this was almost a routine. As a rule, such incidents occurred during nighttime shooting. They shot at each other by mistake from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. Thank God they smeared it. I have not heard of a single hit.
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 24 July 2020 14: 05 New
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      They shot at each other by mistake from tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

      Especially when the red filters whistled or smashed from the numbers on the tower. laughing And one tank will surely lag behind the other two. The first one stopped. The light on the numbers blinked, just like the target light, laughing ... Oops, and from a neighbor from behind flew in chavo something. For in the night sight it was previously seen as .......... piiiiiiip.
      1. Alex2
        Alex2 24 July 2020 18: 08 New
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        And how they fired on the tower, this is generally a song.
    2. Evil 55
      Evil 55 25 July 2020 05: 21 New
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      We had ... Behe, a turn of BT from the left direction flew into the landing force. The commander was tight, the gunner and the mechanic remained alive, the car burned out in three minutes ..
  • NF68
    NF68 24 July 2020 16: 08 New
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    Cowboys in the wild west. First they shoot, then they will think whether it was worth shooting.
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 24 July 2020 16: 09 New
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    Yes, a good training shell, and the tank is the best, only it can damage another tank of the same type, if any other tank fired, the shell would bounce back.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 July 2020 05: 19 New
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    Interesting ... a multipurpose training projectile .. A dummy with a soft core and close to combat external ballistics?
    1. Alexander Drobyshev
      Alexander Drobyshev 25 July 2020 22: 19 New
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      Good day. Yes, this is a practical projectile M1002 imitating the ballistics of the HEAT M830A1
      The shell did not pierce the armor, but hit the panoramic sight and wounded the loader with debris.


      And the photo with the broken side of the tower is a "fake" laid out by "loki565" in order to collect more likes, in reality on it the Abrams tank was ambushed in Iraq in February 2008, here is the link (http: //www.rusarmy. com / forum / threads / amerikanskie-tanki-v-irake-vsja-pravda.2378 / page-6) And it turns out that the OMS of the M1A2 "Abrams" tank is worthless, from a distance of 2,6 km to miss the tank, and this is miss, the projectile went very close to the turret, and only accidentally caught the sight.