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A miniature air-launched anti-missile missile is being developed for the US Air Force

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Reports are coming from the United States that it is planned to create special air-launched anti-missiles for the US Air Force. According to the latest information, such interceptors will be created by Raytheon.


We are talking about miniature missiles that will be used to intercept air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles attacking an aircraft (helicopter).

It is reported that such developments are part of a new concept for protecting funds. aviation USA. At the same time, the US Air Force claims that such an approach is aimed at countering "new missile developments in Russia and China."

The contract with Raytheon was signed on July 21. In total, it is planned to spend about $ 375 million on development. The project is managed by the American Air Force Research Laboratory AFRL. The project is expected to be completed by October 2023.

The American media note that talk about an air-launched anti-missile has been going on since 2015. As stated, if the project is implemented rhythmically, then already in the 2021 fiscal year the company will be able to switch to testing ammunition as part of the ongoing project.

The program is identified by the abbreviation MSDM. At the same time, the project states that the missiles will be "so small that they will not create any problems in terms of reducing the volume of the main combat (payload) load."

The sounded principle is as follows: if the instruments of the aircraft recorded a missile launch, then a kind of shooting of miniature anti-missiles is performed, which disorient and hit the ammunition fired at the aircraft or helicopter. Such a system is planned to be deployed on transport aviation.
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  1. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 23 July 2020 15: 20 New
    -2
    Well, how many shots will this system be sharpened?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 23 July 2020 15: 26 New
      +3
      You don't need much ... fight off the attack and dumped
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 33 New
        +2
        12 for the F35 are planned. Against 6 missiles or explosives, at the rate of 2 anti-missiles per 1.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 23 July 2020 15: 47 New
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          Quote: Grazdanin
          12 for the F35 are planned. Against 6 missiles or explosives, at the rate of 2 anti-missiles per 1.

          Thank you hi
        2. ancient
          ancient 23 July 2020 16: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Grazdanin
          12 for the F35 are planned.

          Where is .. "read" ... share the link wink ... shove 12 meter-long rockets into the "penguin"? wassat
          It's like hanging the 22th X-3M4 on a Tu-47M2 on an external sling ... wassat
        3. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 July 2020 18: 27 New
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          To understand the size of the planned missile.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 23 July 2020 15: 46 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        You don't need much ... fight off the attack and dumped

        And what about the task?
        And on the way back?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 58 New
          0
          In the 23rd year, prototypes of slave UAVs will be tested, refuellers based on AB should go into series, there are several more projects of unmanned aerial vehicles. In 23-24, a decision will be made on the development of US military aviation, according to test data.
          They want to move from the concept of long-range missile combat to the concept of unmanned combat at short and medium distances. Where manned aircraft will act as a "think tank" for a swarm of UAVs. The main strike tasks are assigned to the UAV. UTAP-22, XQ-58A, MQ-25, Predator C are on the way. Boeing and Northrop are conducting domestic projects with foreign countries. Australia and Britain have also launched slave UAV projects.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 July 2020 16: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Grazdanin
            23 prototypes will be tested

            The question was asked about the implementation of the BZ ... specifically ... at what stage of the carrier's flight? wink ... and you mean some .... "development" ... as we have at the speeches of cabinet members in the Duma .... wassat
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 23 July 2020 17: 11 New
          -3
          The task will be executed and planned ... and this is from an unexpected attack on peaceful F35
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 23 July 2020 17: 28 New
            -1
            They have many projects, one of the journalists is considering the possibility of placing hidden anti-missile blocks in promising aircraft, including the B21. Below, I threw off the graphics from the patent.
            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15491/northrop-grumman-has-patented-a-kinetic-missile-defense-system-for-stealth-aircraft
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 July 2020 19: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Grazdanin
              They have many projects, one of the journalists is considering the possibility of placing hidden anti-missile blocks in promising aircraft, including the B21. Below, I threw off the graphics from the patent.

              Oh, how dashing .. "tried" to get out ... but it was not there ... the wrong one was attacked. wassat
              You diligently "drowned" for the F-35, to which I told you that this is complete nonsense ... it is possible to consider only on the "long" or "large-transport aircraft" wink
              And you here once ... and here we are B-21 ... wassat
              So you my friend ... manipulator ... still that lol
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 23 July 2020 19: 52 New
                +2
                company Raytheon received a contract to create a prototype MSDM missiles for fighters with the testing of these missiles until 2023, the Company Northrop Grumman patented the MSDM concealment system for promising aviation complexes, among which there may be B-21 in 2017 g... MSDM studies started yet in 2016 they were led by Raytheon and Northrop Grumman in parallel, the predecessor of this project SACM-T (CUDA) started back in late noughties.
                Learn the mat part and do not write nonsense. That's all with you, goodbye.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 25 July 2020 14: 52 New
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                  Quote: Grazdanin
                  Learn the mat part and do not write nonsense.

                  These "breakthrough projects" appear every year, it works well if a hundredth of beautiful pictures. Loot creeps into pockets.
                2. Tom Johnson
                  Tom Johnson 25 July 2020 16: 11 New
                  0
                  "HTK"
              2. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 24 July 2020 22: 16 New
                -4
                Quote: ancient
                Quote: Grazdanin
                They have many projects, one of the journalists is considering the possibility of placing hidden anti-missile blocks in promising aircraft, including the B21. Below, I threw off the graphics from the patent.

                Oh, how dashing .. "tried" to get out ... but it was not there ... the wrong one was attacked. wassat
                You diligently "drowned" for the F-35, to which I told you that this is complete nonsense ... it is possible to consider only on the "long" or "large-transport aircraft" wink
                And you here once ... and here we are B-21 ... wassat
                So you my friend ... manipulator ... still that lol


                I will invade your controversy.
                I have read and believe that the MSDM will be on board the F-35 from 4 to 8 pieces.
                Exactly this volume they will occupy in the suspension in two versions.
                Worst for amers - replacing one Sidewinder or one Amraham.
                The best for amers - hanging them on the free surface of the weapons compartment. This option is apparently the main one due to the advertising of the preservation of weapons for the main BZ.

                Moreover, if they can place MSDM on the inner surface of the hatch cover, then they will be able to direct them in different directions. 2-4 rockets forward, 2-4 rockets back. Thus, closing both the front and rear hemispheres.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 25 July 2020 17: 44 New
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                  It seems like I read about this rocket on Thedrive, they estimated up to 12 there, but they also considered 8 missiles more likely. I personally do not see a particular problem to place 12 missiles of the size of a Hydra-70 in internal volumes, after modernization, of course.
                2. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 25 July 2020 17: 50 New
                  -1
                  3 missiles (1m) along the AIM 120 (3,6m) will fit in years.
      3. ancient
        ancient 23 July 2020 16: 10 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        You don't need much ... fight off the attack and dumped

        And who will perform the BZ? belay
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 23 July 2020 19: 00 New
          +1
          They will do it. Bypassing reconnaissance air defenses in quiet mode, fend off unexplored ones.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 July 2020 19: 23 New
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            They will do it. Bypassing reconnaissance air defenses in quiet mode, fend off unexplored ones.

            It is clear .... you have nothing to do with the maintenance of the database, let alone aviation. wink
            Write down:
            1 The reconnaissance means of detection are first suppressed, and then destroyed, and only after that, having provided safe corridors of the breakthrough and overflight, the aviation begins to perform the BZ.
            2. In this case, group jamming is carried out from the combat formations of the UG aircraft.
            3. In case of activation of counteraction from the side of the newly discovered active ground and air interference, complexes of individual electronic warfare systems are used and the groups of cover and destruction of air defense systems enter into action ...
            It is possible to "fight off" active air defense weapons only by destroying them or not entering their area of ​​responsibility and action.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 23 July 2020 20: 04 New
              +2
              I have not written anything contradictory.
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 July 2020 20: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Bypassing reconnaissance air defenses in quiet mode

                This is not possible .... perhaps secretly and then ... only "focal", but object ... you will not be able to get around wink
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 23 July 2020 22: 38 New
                  0
                  I read monographs about Tu22 ..... they were losing air defense during exercises. And from the north we entered Moscow.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 24 July 2020 11: 06 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Read monographs about Tu22

                    We read "fairy tales", since the Tu-22 was checked by the air defense forces, and even more so about .... with a call from the "northern direction" wassat
                    The air defense check was carried out regularly by 52 Guards TBAP ... earlier on the Tu-16K, then the Tu-22M2 and later the Tu-22M3.
                    During the day they did not "see" at all, as they "walked" at heights ... below 100 meters (but along strictly designated corridors, with directions).
                    At night, 200 meters, at night they began to see, but at night below 200 meters ... not recommended, since there are no systems (such as MVK) except for the RV-5 ...
                    In the GSVG and SGV on the Su-24s ... the air defense squads asked to "climb" at least a little, because even with MANPADS at an altitude of 50 and below at a speed of more than 900 km / h ... the gunner did not even have time to react , but about the rest of the air defense ... I will not even speak ... saw only already on the retreat (after performing a b / m along a logarithmic curve or launching missiles with a "jump") wink
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 24 July 2020 13: 02 New
                      -1
                      And now "multiply" by the EPR F-35 and its Jammers and these missiles and flight automation.
                      1. ancient
                        ancient 24 July 2020 14: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        his interference

                        Interference, unfortunately, is not a panacea for all ills, but first of all, an unmasking sign ... you really choose ... either "quieter" or with the use of electronic warfare means.
                        And what are "these" missiles? And what does the F-35 have to do with it? And even more so ... flight automation? belay
            2. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 24 July 2020 22: 18 New
              -5
              Quote: ancient
              Quote: Zaurbek
              They will do it. Bypassing reconnaissance air defenses in quiet mode, fend off unexplored ones.

              It is clear .... you have nothing to do with the maintenance of the database, let alone aviation. wink
              Write down:
              1 The reconnaissance means of detection are first suppressed, and then destroyed, and only after that, having provided safe corridors of the breakthrough and overflight, the aviation begins to perform the BZ.
              2. In this case, group jamming is carried out from the combat formations of the UG aircraft.
              3. In case of activation of counteraction from the side of the newly discovered active ground and air interference, complexes of individual electronic warfare systems are used and the groups of cover and destruction of air defense systems enter into action ...
              It is possible to "fight off" active air defense weapons only by destroying them or not entering their area of ​​responsibility and action.


              The history of many Israeli Air Force operations to counter the air defense of Iran and Iraq and Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt disagree with you ...
      4. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 24 July 2020 02: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        You don't need much.

        exactly? that is, there is not even a project yet, and already "not much is needed"? laughing maybe pro-American experts are already aware of the likelihood of these missiles hitting a supersonic target?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 24 July 2020 07: 55 New
          0
          If the plane with 2 pieces does nothing, nothing will save it from the SAM missiles. As a standard, 2 pieces of air defense systems are allocated for one aircraft. The airplane should react to launches somehow ..... it will drop the altitude, turn on the interference, etc. the mountain will go, for example.
  2. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 21 New
    -3
    Looks like Thedrive has read it. There were interesting blueprints from Northrop Grumman's patent for a missile defense system for 2017 aircraft. Looks like X-47B is pictured.
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 July 2020 16: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Grazdanin
      There were interesting blueprints from Northrop Grumman's patent for a missile defense system for 2017 aircraft.

      Well, we have a lot of such "murzilok" wassat
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 24 July 2020 22: 23 New
        -4
        Quote: ancient
        Quote: Grazdanin
        There were interesting blueprints from Northrop Grumman's patent for a missile defense system for 2017 aircraft.

        Well, we have a lot of such "murzilok" wassat


        Such a thing as AN / ALE-50, produced in the early 90s, seen by our specialists in the early 2000s, produced a complete paralysis of thought ...
        And after 30 years - we still have nothing like this ...
        and then they got AN / ALE-55 ...

        Murzilki, you say ...
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 25 July 2020 14: 59 New
          0
          Quote: SovAr238A
          AN / ALE-50


          And who told you that any adequate efficiency will be provided?
  3. ancient
    ancient 23 July 2020 15: 26 New
    +2
    "So small that they will not create any problems in terms of reducing the volume of the main combat (payload) load."
    recourse it is very doubtful ... or not an accurate translation ... according to the pictures, the length of a mini-missile 3,28ft is practically 1 meter (without a few mm), but for this (these) mini-missiles there must be stationary launchers or PCs that are installed on the plane. And we must think for their intended use, there should be a lot of them.
    Proceeding from this, it follows that it is likely to be installed on "long" and large-thick "aircraft, but what about" whistle "and helicopter technology? wink
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 35 New
      -8
      12 pieces in F35 fit into internal compartments without reducing the main load.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 July 2020 16: 27 New
        +8
        Quote: Grazdanin
        12 pieces in F35 fit into internal compartments without reducing the main load.

        Oh well ... "on fig" ... belay belay belay
        Not a modest question .. have you ever seen an F-35 in the picture and ... its lineup ???? wassat

        Well, where are you going to ... "cram" 12-meter missiles, and even ..... "without reducing the main load." ?? lol wassat
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 July 2020 16: 49 New
          -5
          The F-35 aircraft is waiting for a large-scale modernization: the list of updates was presented to Congress.


          https://topwar.ru/173273-samolet-f-35-zhdet-masshtabnaja-modernizacija-kongressu-predstavili-spisok-obnovlenij.html
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 July 2020 16: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: Grazdanin
            https://topwar.ru/173273-samolet-f-35-zhdet-masshtabnaja-modernizacija-kongressu-predstavili-spisok-obnovlenij.html

            Read it carefully ... again ... well ...?
            1.The modernized F-35 also introduces many new weapon options, including the ability to carry 6 advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles Lockheed Martin AIM-260 or Raytheon AIM-120, the ability to strike at sea targets with strike missiles, the ability to use new long-range strike missiles, including, in the future, hypersonic cruise missiles.
            2. The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) has identified the first 66 hardware and software updates.
            3.Lockheed modifies the internal weapon compartment to include a sidekick upgrade that increases the offload of the Raytheon AIM-120 missile by 50% to six missiles.
            When Lockheed AIM-260 becomes available, the same download will be possible with a missile that has the same length as the AIM-120, but has a significantly longer range.
            That's probably all ...
            So where is all the same about ..... "12 pieces in the F35 are placed in the internal compartments without reducing the main load."? :wassat:
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 23 July 2020 18: 07 New
              -5
              Quote: ancient
              So where is all the same about ..... "12 pieces in the F35 are placed in the internal compartments without reducing the main load."?

              An F-35 can carry four AIM-120 radar-guided missiles, two apiece in each of two weapons racks in the bomb bay.
              But, on a combat mission they do not fly one at a time, each will fulfill the task assigned to him, the same F-15 can take up to 10, and the F-15X up to 16.
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 July 2020 19: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                But, on a combat mission they do not fly one at a time, each will fulfill the task assigned to him, the same F-15 can take up to 10, and the F-15X up to 16.

                And what are you talking about ......? belay
                If only ... to "stick" into the conversation? belay
                So I report that the conversation is about ways of modernizing the F-35 according to the allegedly planned "mini-missiles" in the amount of 12 pieces on the A-35 ... period wassat
                1. Vitaly gusin
                  Vitaly gusin 23 July 2020 22: 07 New
                  -3
                  Quote: ancient
                  So I report that the conversation is about ways of modernizing the F-35 according to the supposedly planned "mini-missiles" in the amount of 12 pieces on the A-35 ..

                  Aaaaa, SORRY I did not understand that you are sharing the skin of a bear that has not been killed. lol
                  There is no rocket yet. and you are already arguing how much will fit.
                  I WISH YOU SUCCESS.
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 24 July 2020 11: 11 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    and you are already arguing how much will fit.

                    This is such a method .. "jumping off" or .. banal carelessness .... or ... you are not "in the aviation topic" at all.
                    There is no dispute about how much ... wassat and the "dispute" is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to "pull an owl on the globe" in practice .... try ... for God's sake, but "shove" into the F-35 and even 12 missiles .. and without losing "stealth" "and the weight of the b / c being lifted and in general the flight characteristics of the aircraft as a whole ... wassat
              2. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 23 July 2020 19: 32 New
                -4
                MSDM is about 6-8 times smaller than AIM-120
        2. Observer2014
          Observer2014 23 July 2020 18: 12 New
          0
          Quote: ancient
          Quote: Grazdanin
          12 pieces in F35 fit into internal compartments without reducing the main load.

          Oh well ... "on fig" ... belay belay belay
          Not a modest question .. have you ever seen an F-35 in the picture and ... its lineup ???? wassat

          Well, where are you going to ... "cram" 12-meter missiles, and even ..... "without reducing the main load." ?? lol wassat

          Yes, this is an article from Yandex Zen laughing There is more than enough such and other garbage.
          And looking at the picture of this rocket for the article ?! Yes, it is more gliding ammunition. Or maximum air surface missile lol
  4. Greyhound famously
    Greyhound famously 23 July 2020 15: 31 New
    +5
    The advancement of KAZ into aviation (taking into account the aircraft specifics) after the development of such systems on ground vehicles looks quite predictable. For aviation, KAZ will be more expensive and technologically advanced, but the planes themselves are several times more expensive than tanks and armored personnel carriers, so the desire to avoid their loss is more than obvious.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 23 July 2020 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Grizzly Dashing
      The advancement of KAZ into aviation (taking into account the aircraft specifics) after the development of such systems on ground vehicles looks quite predictable.

      They tried to create air-to-air missiles to combat anti-aircraft missiles back in the last century ... when tank KAZs were mainly in projects! I remember that in the journal Zarubezhnoye Voennoye Obozreniye, in a series of articles on the development of the B-1 "strategist", special air-to-air missiles were mentioned to protect the B-1 from anti-aircraft missiles ... (possibly from RVV ... ) ... the parameters were assumed!
  5. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 23 July 2020 15: 44 New
    +1
    These rackets are not even from the S-300, apparently from Strela, Stingers and their ilk, but even here there are doubts, in order to shoot down an already flying missile, acceleration is not quite feeble enough to maneuver and reach the target, I wish you good luck in financing the project.
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 23 July 2020 15: 54 New
      0
      According to the task of "disorienting", then yes, it is more likely to be used for thermal guidance heads.
      Otherwise, what else can disorient such a miniature apparatus?
      1. Vlad T
        Vlad T 23 July 2020 16: 08 New
        -2
        The main thing for an anti-missile is to find a target, and how to disable it is a whole bunch of possibilities, from a telogas magnetic cloud, an electromagnetic bomb, ... to direct physical defeat. Another job for the SVR ...
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 23 July 2020 16: 11 New
          +1
          You are missing out on the dimensions of the rocket.
          This is not an anti-missile missile designed to destroy ballistic missiles.
          It should be a fairly miniature product.
          1. Vlad T
            Vlad T 23 July 2020 16: 13 New
            -1
            Length 1 meter, diameter?. with D 200 mm you can stuff a lot ...
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 23 July 2020 20: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Vlad T
              diameter?. with D 200 mm you can stuff a lot

              Yes, these "D200 mm" medium-range missiles have (!) ... a range of up to 100 km and more! belay
              1. Vlad T
                Vlad T 23 July 2020 20: 24 New
                -1
                For 100 km, you need 3 meters in length ... Guessing on coffee grounds based on rumors is an empty exercise ...
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 23 July 2020 21: 03 New
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                  Quote: Vlad T
                  For 100 km, you need 3 meters in length ... Guessing on coffee grounds based on rumors is an empty exercise ...

                  Well, as you like! You can also on the coffee grounds! But I heard such rumors that an intelligent engineer only needs to know some parameters of a product in order to calculate many "other" ... hidden parameters!
        2. Sergey Kulikov_3
          Sergey Kulikov_3 23 July 2020 16: 21 New
          +1
          To disable something, you must at least start the engine, maneuver in the right direction, but the rocket that is already flying towards you will not lose speed from your maneuvers, the result will be the same. Shooting traps, the best they've come up with so far.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 23 July 2020 20: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
            Shooting traps, the best they've come up with so far.

            But what about ... such as AG-2 ... (Il-2 attack aircraft ....)? wink
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 23 July 2020 16: 10 New
        -4
        Do not make me laugh. If a 10-15 kg blank crashes into a tank at a speed of Mach 2-3, the tank will be destroyed, the rocket even more so.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 23 July 2020 16: 17 New
          +2
          The blank will not hit any missile, due to the difficulty of targeting.
          I understand that it can definitely harm, although it will be difficult to achieve the goal.
          However, the article states the goal of "disorienting".
          Hence the question, what guidance system can this anti-missile missile be able to disorient other than the thermal homing head?
          I just don't know, please tell me if you own the topic.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 23 July 2020 16: 28 New
            -3
            Quote: Livonetc
            The blank will not hit any missile, due to the difficulty of targeting.

            The information is current at the beginning of the 90s. Kinetic missile interception technology has long been developed in the United States. Absolutely not an interesting subject for discussion.
            1. +5
              +5 23 July 2020 18: 41 New
              +2
              Here are just the results, if not from a satellite with a trajectory known up to 10 cm, sad ... And this is without airspace ...
          2. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 23 July 2020 17: 40 New
            -3
            Quote: Livonetc
            Hence the question, what guidance system can this anti-missile missile be able to disorient other than the thermal homing head?

            The United States has decoys, thermal, radar and combined. Those. rockets that completely imitate an airplane. In this news, the Pentagon ordered a missile that exactly destroys by direct hit of missiles or explosives.

            https://topwar.ru/98114-mald-j-slegka-poumnevshiy-potomok-linzy-lyuneberga-takticheskie-ogranicheniya-raskruchennoy-rakety-primanki.html
            https://topwar.ru/169010-vms-ssha-namereny-zakazat-raketu-obmanku-dlja-sistem-pvo.html
      3. Zeev
        Zeev zeev 23 July 2020 17: 16 New
        -1
        To disorient in this case is most likely to "knock off the combat course." In case of a direct hit of even a small blank, the aerodynamic integrity of the rocket and the aircraft guidance algorithm will be violated.
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 23 July 2020 17: 35 New
          +2
          Again about the disc.
          How a blank fired from a fighter can be aimed at a missile.
          Moreover, many missiles are not even designed for a direct hit, but for an explosion at a serious distance from the aircraft and the explosion of the device by fragments.
          How does a blank fired from an airplane flying from a high altitude hit a rocket approaching the airplane at very high speed and from any direction?
          1. Zeev
            Zeev zeev 23 July 2020 17: 57 New
            -2
            A rocket with an inert warhead (blank). It takes off, aims at an approaching enemy missile and collides with it.
            1. tarakan
              tarakan 23 July 2020 18: 21 New
              0
              Isn't it easier to use not a blank, but "shrapnell"?
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 23 July 2020 18: 32 New
                -3
                The size of the rocket will be too large, the task will fit in 1 m.
              2. Zeev
                Zeev zeev 24 July 2020 16: 48 New
                +1
                Shrapnel is an explosive, submunitions, a fuse, and the same guidance system. We remove the explosives and the fuse, save on weight and dimensions.
          2. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 18: 09 New
            +2
            They probably lie about a direct hit and from any direction. Perhaps a direct hit is considered a close contact, in principle, in the final section, the rocket does not turn away from the target, close contact is real, you do not need to catch up or intercept what goes to an object tens of kilometers away. And about any direction, a shot in the opposite direction will shorten the range of application too much, the fighter itself can quickly change direction, work from the best distances.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 26 July 2020 01: 03 New
              0
              Modern guidance systems (not all countries have) and the maneuverability of missiles make it possible to realize direct kinetic defeat ("hit to kill").
          3. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 18: 52 New
            +1
            I didn't put it exactly, the distance is not the same, the interception window.
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    2. Alexey G
      Alexey G 23 July 2020 21: 13 New
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      I think you are complicating it. In this calculation, it is absolutely known that the anti-aircraft missile does not shoot anywhere but at the plane! So there is no need to chase this rocket across the sky. The pilot sees the approaching missile by means of detection sensors, knows from which side he is being attacked and at the right moment fires an anti-missile, or it fires back automatically, as in tank KAZ. The anti-missile is very light, because it does not need to fly far, but only to make a jerk towards the flying yalda and explode, smashing the nose of the missile defense system with shrapnel, breaking its seeker or forcing it to dithe
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 21: 36 New
        +1
        Maybe I'm not complicating it, it is desirable for a fighter to ensure launch in the direction of the threat, even if it is possible without this to accompany an anti-missile missile to capture a target after launch. First, when the missile turns around, it loses its energy, the interception window shrinks, if not disappears. Secondly, to embed its homing head with powerful gyro-stabilized IR optics into a miniature missile is at least a decrease in ammunition with an increase in price.
        1. Alexey G
          Alexey G 23 July 2020 22: 11 New
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          Andrey, I would be very glad to agree with you. I am ideologically on your side, but unfortunately these problems can be solved. A reversal may not be necessary. The fighter itself can turn towards the target, because it learns in advance about the missile attack. In addition, a container with missiles can be placed in a vertical launcher, this idea has already been written about on VO. It seems that ours want to do so.
          But worst of all, our creators have already made a mini-rocket for the Shell, and then if the Shell can hit missiles and drones, then why can't an aircraft, which has a radar, a bunch of sensors and high-end onboard electronics, can?
          On the other hand, there is a plus in this, since ours themselves could arm our aircraft with such missiles and not create expensive invisibility, which, in fact, are not so invisible. Upgrade SU 35 with the ability to use anti-missiles.
          1. Andrey.AN
            Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 22: 16 New
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            Something is embarrassing about the vertical launcher, the wind of 500 km / h instantly bends the scrap iron.
            1. Alexey G
              Alexey G 23 July 2020 22: 21 New
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              https://topwar.ru/171889-v-rossii-zapatentovali-novyj-sposob-zapuska-raket-s-samoletov.html
              I read it here ...
              1. Andrey.AN
                Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 22: 29 New
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                It seems that they have patented the question of how serious this is, can Americans be trolled. To apply this, in any case, you need to slow down sharply, no gas rudders will steer against the wind hundreds of meters per second, thirty meters per second is already breaking oaks.
                1. Alexey G
                  Alexey G 23 July 2020 22: 34 New
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                  Just our SU35 can slow down and even freeze in place with the help of this Pugachev cobra, or whatever is correct ...
                  1. Andrey.AN
                    Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 22: 36 New
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                    This and course start is good, as long as the nose slows down where it is necessary.
                    1. Alexey G
                      Alexey G 23 July 2020 22: 38 New
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                      Yes, we have the coolest planes ...
                    2. Alexey G
                      Alexey G 23 July 2020 22: 40 New
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                      Only one minus is a tremendous one for world peace, since attack weapons gain an advantage over defense weapons ... We need to develop air defense!
                      1. Andrey.AN
                        Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 22: 43 New
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                        Evolution is an arms race.
      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 23 July 2020 21: 48 New
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        Quote: Alexey G
        explode, smashing the nose of the missile defense system with shrapnel, breaking the GOS or forcing it to trick

        Rocket about which news without a warhead, i.e. she will shoot down a rocket with a ram :)
      3. +5
        +5 24 July 2020 06: 13 New
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        How easy ... What an all-seeing benefit, what precise sensors. What is the gsn on a micro-rocket?
        I wonder how planes fly at all? The anti-aircraft gunner sees them, sensors detect them hundreds of kilometers away ...
  6. NF68
    NF68 23 July 2020 16: 04 New
    +2
    Not bad idea.
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 July 2020 16: 46 New
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      Quote: NF68
      Not bad idea.

      But just how ... "idea" ... wink
  7. Last centurion
    Last centurion 23 July 2020 16: 31 New
    +1
    If I had solved it, I would have done something like this: instead of a brain, put a rapber-like board, an infrared camera and a simple neural process a la tensor flow that distinguishes the heat of a rocket ... against the background of a cold sky ... well, and a flight controller that should steer until the anti-missile hits with a rocket
  8. yfast
    yfast 23 July 2020 17: 03 New
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    Americans are tired of losing drones ...
  9. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 23 July 2020 17: 51 New
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    It seems like these mini missiles have already been made for Shell. And there is a block for four units. Connect them only with the OLS of the fighter, if not already done.
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 23 July 2020 18: 32 New
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    It's high time, it is necessary that the interception was only 1 - 3 km with a simple thermal homing head.
    Like a simple Needle, there is only a starting accelerator and is needed to overtake the carrier.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 23 July 2020 18: 40 New
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      Roughly, Thedrive also suggests that there will be an IR head, there is a more detailed article.
  11. +5
    +5 23 July 2020 18: 36 New
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    So disorientating or overwhelming? Or is it shrapnel fired in the direction of the flash?
    Of course, I understand that the answer to my question costs another 375 lyams, and the first ones were enough only for a set of letters from the news and a picture ...
  12. +5
    +5 23 July 2020 18: 45 New
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    By the way, I read about how anti-anti-missile missiles hit anti-missile missiles in a science fiction novel of the 60s.
    The picture shows some kind of gliding crap, not a maneuvering rocket.

    On 48N6 exactly 6 pieces of half a meter, to shoot down 3 of these by a meter, they will climb, and on 40N6 12 ... for only 375 thousand bucks or oiro and rounds I send a render and a booklet
  13. Outsider
    Outsider 24 July 2020 00: 59 New
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    Quote: Livonetc
    Again about the disc.
    How a blank fired from a fighter can be aimed at a missile.
    Moreover, many missiles are not even designed for a direct hit, but for an explosion at a serious distance from the aircraft and the explosion of the device by fragments.
    How does a blank fired from an airplane flying from a high altitude hit a rocket approaching the airplane at very high speed and from any direction?

    1. Active radar seeker of the millimeter range.
    2. Thermal GOS.
    3. Combined 1 and 2 (rocket "David's Sling").
  14. Russian2020
    Russian2020 24 July 2020 04: 36 New
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    Another smart, well, very smart rockets
  15. Russian2020
    Russian2020 24 July 2020 04: 51 New
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    If these miracle missiles fly like the tomohawks did in Syria, then the poor us taxpayer
  16. Victorio
    Victorio 24 July 2020 18: 47 New
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    (when they run out of money, then