NASA announced the readiness of the Perseverance rover to launch to Mars

The American Mars rover Perseverance has passed all pre-flight tests, its launch to Mars is tentatively scheduled for July 30 this year. This is reported by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL).

According to the report, the rover passed all the tests planned before the launch of the Atlas V rocket to the launch pad and the transfer of the rover to onboard power. The decision to fully launch Perseverance will be made on Monday, July 27, following the final tests of all systems of the launch vehicle and rover capsule.

We are very pleased that we have cleared another launch barrier and that all pre-flight checks went well. At the same time, we are not going to relax and will continue to work in the same vein until we launch the rover into space. Mars is a very harsh planet and we are not going to leave anything to chance

- said the deputy head of the Perseverance project Matt Wallace.

Initially, the launch of the rover was scheduled for July 17, but due to difficulties in docking the capsule with the rover and the launch vehicle, it was first postponed to July 20, then to 22, and the last date was July 30. At the moment, all problems have been resolved, but the device can go to Mars even later, if the launch is prevented by the weather or any technical problems that have arisen.

As previously reported, the American rover, as well as the Chinese launched today, will reach Mars for about seven months. Upon arrival at the Red Planet in February 2021, he should land in the vicinity of the Yesero crater on the equator of Mars. The rover is equipped with a special Ingenuity helicopter, which should show that flights to Mars are in principle possible. The main objective of this mission is to collect and study the properties of sedimentary rocks.

Comments

[Vadim237]

It remains a successful launch and operation of the entire mission as a whole.

[Infinity]

I will join! An excellent July for humanity - three missions to the Red Planet! First, the Arabs with their orbital "Al-Amal" ("Hope"), today the Chinese with their "Tianwen-1" ("Questions to Heaven") and now, the Americans. But Mars 2020 with this rover and helicopter is the most interesting of all. Most of all scientific equipment, an excellent successor to the work of its predecessors! And of course Ingenuity! The first atmospheric aircraft in history outside the Earth, capable of performing, albeit short, but not jet-powered flights.

PS: It's a pity that the launch of the second stage of ExoMars was postponed to 2022, and there would be 4 missions.

[Dikson]

Wasn't it easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks, following the example of weather balloons? The igniter was fired up, he pouted with helium and flew to himself, transmitting data to the base ...

[pytar]

it was easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks

They are not how to manage. Where the wind blows, there they go. On this helicopter, the American is working on a future technique for moving in the specific atmosphere of Mars.

[Infinity]

Quote: Dikson

Wasn't it easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks, following the example of weather balloons? The igniter was fired up, he pouted with helium and flew to himself, transmitting data to the base ...

Just a helicopter is primarily an addition to the rover. He will explore the surroundings, which will allow finding points of interest for the rover, for the latter has all the scientific instruments. + reconnaissance of the path so as not to fall into a sand trap, like Spirit once did. + excellent experience of using this technique in the conditions of Mars.
It is better to send the mission described by you separately, without rovers. And load it fucking scientific instruments There were even such ideas, but there were no projects in development, as far as I know. And it is not known how to manage it (impossible). Will take it somewhere, the connection will be interrupted, and then look all over Mars

[pytar]

a helicopter is primarily an addition to the rover. He will explore the surroundings, which will allow finding points of interest for the rover, for the latter has all the scientific instruments. + reconnaissance of the path so as not to fall into a sand trap, like Spirit once did. + excellent experience of using this technique in the conditions of Mars.

You're right! The helicopter will play the role of "long eyes" on the rover!

Since the distance to the Earth is large, direct control from the operator is slow and risky. Therefore, the rover has a system of "artificial intelligence". It is very powerful, but still recedes to the human mind in terms of the ability to analyze and the speed of reaction. To give more time for processing environmental data, the helicopter flies around the route and transmits information to the rover's computer. More is always visible from above than on the level of the rover's cameras. If there is an obstacle in front of him, another path can be quickly chosen.

[Dikson]

As far as I remember, on Mars, really powerful winds can blow .. in automatic mode, losing a copter is much sadder than an escaped balloon .. Although you are right, a meteorological balloon is too highly specialized device .. The helicopter will really allow you to expand the viewing radius and allow you to better assess the situation around the rover ..

[Blackmokona]

It's so easy not to lift the helicopter if the winds are strong. All the same, its flight range is small.

[dauria]

It is necessary to count.
The density of the Mars atmosphere at the surface is about 0,020 kg / m³,
The force of gravity is 0 earthly.
In this situation, on the ground, in terms of lift, the helicopter corresponds to a density of 0,020: 0.38 = 0,0526 kg / m³
This on Earth corresponds to an altitude of 22 km. The numbers are quite real.
An interesting apparatus, "flappers" should be wow. How was it checked, in a pressure chamber?

You know, he suddenly laughed himself - such a technique, and negrito, peeing at the police and barely able to read. Absurd.

[Blackmokona]

Yes, it was checked in a pressure chamber while pulling on a cable from above simulating both the atmosphere of Mars and its attraction.

[Revolver]

Quote: dauria

You know, he suddenly laughed himself - such a technique, and negrito, peeing at the police and barely able to read. Absurd.

The Arabs took out their slaves-blacks oh sorry African Americans many times more than in both America with the Caribbean in addition. And African Americans' own indigenous population the Arabs do not, because they castrated slaves. If the founding fathers of America took their example, then America in terms of education, life expectancy, infant mortality, and crime would be, if not the first, then close. And not even in the top ten.
Universities and ghettos practically do not overlap. As they say, cutlets separately, flies separately.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Dikson

As far as I remember on Mars, really powerful winds can blow.

Hollywood films have seen enough. What nafig winds if the atmosphere of Mars

1/170 of the earth, or equal to the earth at an altitude of almost 35 km from the surface of the Earth

This is almost at the edge of near space.

[pytar]

Strong hurricanes blow on Mars! But we must bear in mind that we cannot feel them by our earthly sweats! The atmospheric pressure is 133 times less than that of the Earth! The body's own weight is 2 times less than on Earth, but it is much more stable under the influence of the Martian wind due to the low pressure. Of course, I wonder how the real situation will be and whether the device will be able to rise? I didn’t find information, does the helicopter pilot have a flight mode for bandages to the rover, with the power supply, like "on the rope"? As I understand, we are talking about an experiment, and the rover will still move as usual, relying on its video cameras. Americans are trying different technologies on future missions. On Mars, there is still an atmosphere, for the difference from the Moon, so you cannot exclude this possibility for movement at large distances.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Dikson

Wasn't it easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks, following the example of weather balloons? The igniter was fired up, he pouted with helium and flew to himself, transmitting data to the base ...

It is a pity that NASA does not consult with VO bloggers.

[Dikson]

Indeed .. they do not consult in vain .. It's just that the balls are needed for the wrong tasks .. - I wrote about meteorological balloons .. and they need a scout, in fact ... A meteozand can transmit information for several hours, and a helicopter - 90 seconds .. only and that's all ..

[eklmn]

The helicopter is not for the weather, but for route reconnaissance. Because it's a nightmare for engineers to see a very expensive machine stuck in the sand. And this was the case with another rover ...

[Egoza]

Quote: Infinity

and now, the Americans. But Mars 2020 with this rover and helicopter is the most interesting of all.

Aha! The main thing is to really fly, and not like to the moon.

[Ross xnumx]

NASA announced the readiness of the Perseverance rover for launching to Mars.

We can only be glad for the American specialists who could, and he:

I COULD NOT !!!

[Charik]

I don't understand, I lost weight or gained weight

[slipped]

Oh, as if there are more photoshopped people. In a portrait studio I can distort any face like this - my own mother will be amazed:

By the way, "Kazachok" as a whole is ready, ESA slowed down.

[Roman123567]

And he is not an expert ...

[Vladimir16]

At the moment, Americans are leaders in space exploration. Anyway.
Good luck to the rover. Rather, the scientists and engineers who created it.

[Legionista]

"Now we will ask the head of the transport department to the podium. Let him report on the search for internal reserves. Tell us!"
But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.

[Dym71]

Quote: Legionista

But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.

Head of the transport department: You are in vain, in vain! (Pours from a decanter.)
Ha! Dear, what to report? There are achievements, there are! Our workshop was chronically lagging behind, now it is chronically overtaking! The transport department again took over, as in the previous year and carries it with honor. He promised, in general, without waiting for the end of the year ...

[slipped]

Quote: Legionista

But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.

and we just routinely launched a rocket to the ISS

[Lipchanin]

I even know what he will find there

[Vadim237]

He will meet his wheeled brothers there.

[Lipchanin]

With a "Quality Mark" and a "Made in USSR" nameplate?

[military_cat]

Quote: Lipchanin

With the "Quality Mark"

Thanks to which the only Soviet rover that managed to land worked for 14.5 seconds. Apparently, he only managed to inhale the "Belomor" from the pack, and he was killed by that very drop of nicotine.

[Ghost of reagan]

There are already space tugs and commercial space stations planned. In general, in 2021, the absolute leadership of the United States in space will be formalized, and after 2024, they will gradually engage in the militarization of space on a larger scale than now. Well, since Space Shuttle could not organize SDI but served well for 30 years, then this time Starship will organize SDI of the 21st century. I can already imagine how they rub their pens at the Pentagon, realizing how many carriers will appear soon.

[Grazdanin]

Boeing X-37, dream chaser, reusable launch vehicles will be more useful in building SDI.

[Ghost of reagan]

There, the Starship cargo version can send 1/3 of the ISS into orbit at a time. Elon understands that New Glenn will be more in demand than the Falcon 9 line and even Falcon Heavy. He is going to spend more than 10 billion on the Starship / SuperHeavy system so as not to stay behind and give up the leadership to Jeff Bezos, between SpaceX and Blue Origin in the next decade there will be a very serious cut for commercial, military and satellite launches, and control of the Earth transportation market The moon is generally a very tasty morsel. The Americans did what they had planned under the Shuttle, namely to make Space activities profitable and drive all the power of the market private companies there. This can be compared to the dawn of maritime trade in the Renaissance and the activities of the OST-Indian Trading Company, then the whole world suddenly ceased to be unexplored and without white spots on the map. Space is unlimited resources, opportunities and territories, the country that will get all the benefits of space will cease to be just a superpower, it will be reborn into something much MORE powerful and strong. No wonder the Chinese got caught up in space, apparently better than in the Russian Federation, they understand how to lag behind the Amer in space.

[Grazdanin]

With a mass launch, yes, the starship will come in handy. When you need to maintain a constellation of orbital aircraft, various stations in the orbit of the Moon and Earth. Falcon 9 launch vehicles are more useful. An orbital plane has landed, with a load that needs to be lowered, carried out maintenance or rearmament. Work was done and sent again. There is no need to wait until the required amount of cargo is collected.

[Ghost of reagan]

My dear friend Starship will replace the entire Falcon line, Elon said about this more than once. The ambition of this man and his company will create a monstrous system. Dream chaser and X-37 will quickly cease to be relevant. At the Starship presentation, Elon talked about millions of tons of cargo per year and this was not a reservation, he really wants to build a space fleet. For him to spend tens on all this, and in the future, hundreds of billions of dollars is not a problem.

[Grazdanin]

I rely on what is, the task of building SDI is already possible, by the means that have been tested. Naturally promising technologies will provide new opportunities. As soon as the starship is tested, we will evaluate it, while it is bold even for me. In fact, if the starship turns out to be space to turn into an internal "sea" of the United States, the opportunities that it will give will nullify all our achievements of the mid-to-late 20th century.

[UserGun]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

For him to spend tens on all this, and in the future, hundreds of billions of dollars is not a problem.

Well, this is certainly overkill, but he is still quite a businessman, unlike ours, simply falling apart, I don't even know what to call it.

[Vadim237]

The reception of these hundreds of billions of dollars will be given to him by Starlink, the global Internet thing, which is in great demand.

[Vadim237]

No one will catch up with Musk's office from private traders, he staked out his market.

[snucerist]

Yes, if the Starship project can be brought to the final, it will literally turn the world upside down.
The opportunities are fantastic.

[Vadim237]

It will be brought to the Spaces team, I have no doubt that only its final version will more likely resemble a Shuttle with a similar landing, because vertical landing is a very extreme process for such a manned spacecraft, and the use of the very inner space for such a structure in an upright position on another planet and itself the earth will be very difficult. This option

on the example of our project Tu 2000 will be more preferable

[Nastia makarova]

they rub their handles from how much money can be cut)))))

[Ghost of reagan]

I'm wondering if anyone tried to calculate how much the maintenance of absolutely all the US Armed Forces, including their entire infrastructure, costs? Considering that the Amers have a professional contract army, I think 700 billion is not even enough. They have hundreds of bases all over the world and an unrealistically huge fleet. These tales about the Pentagon sawing amuse me sometimes.)))

[Grazdanin]

All the money remains in America, purchases abroad are extremely small. This gives the development of fundamental science, engineering developments, higher and secondary education, a huge number of jobs. From cleaning lady and construction worker to world famous scientists. Therefore, the best people from all over the world go there.

[Nastia makarova]

there they saw what you never dreamed of)))) half wasted money, they develop stupid technologies such as an automatic apparatus for opening a bottle of Pepsi

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

there they saw that you never dreamed of)))

So they print dollars, and not get from the sale of resources!

[Nastia makarova]

but no one argues that they print, printed, sawed)))) everyone is good

[mehan]

And the filed is taken out and hidden in the banks of Voronezh ... right?

[Charik]

In which bank - more precisely, you can

[mehan]

Yes, I asked Nastya, she knows everything about the American drank dough. Well, I think, let me ask, maybe to the nearest bank ?! Where can they still stack their files, certainly in Russia ...

[Livonetc]

I read about the "helicopter".
He hypothetically can be in the atmosphere 90 seconds a day.
The rest of the time will be spent on recharging from solar panels.
Design height up to 400 meters.
The distance can fly up to 600 meters.
Weight less than 2 kilograms.
Blade length 120 cm.
The body itself is a square with sides of 14 cm.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Livonetc

I read about the "helicopter".

What, it says there:

Quote: Livonetc

Weight less than 2 kilograms.

Или:
Weighing about 1,8 kilograms?
I read about the American Mars rover Perseverance:

Its goal is to answer the classic question that has been troubling humanity for many years - is there life on Mars? For this, the rover has everything you need. And the list of his equipment is impressive:
- 23 different cameras, including a two-camera panoramic stereoscopic system "Mastcam-Z", which, by changing the focal length, will be able to take mineralogical photographs of the ground and shooting distant panoramic views;
- Ultraviolet Raman Spectrometer (SHERLOC), which will be able to identify any organic molecules, or their remains, including fossilized ones. Perhaps this is the main device of the rover. The developers assure that if there are organic molecules in the samples taken, or at least traces of them, then the device will be able to determine this for sure;
- X-ray fluorimetric spectrometer (PIXL), with the presence of a high-resolution thermal imager for a more detailed study of Martian soil and rock samples;
Device for remote analysis of the chemical composition of the Martian soil (SuperCam). Its purpose is to search for soil samples with a potentially high probability of the presence of organic matter and rare chemical elements;
- Geological radar (RIMFAX) for sounding the Martian interior with high resolution;
Own autonomous weather station (MEDA) for determining the ambient temperature, humidity, wind speed and dust level, atmospheric pressure, illumination.
- Helicopter drone on coaxial propellers with a diameter of 1,2 meters and a mass of 1,8 kg. It is equipped not only with cameras, but also with a microphone. It will be able to work autonomously within a radius of up to 600 meters from the rover. Purpose - reconnaissance of the area to plot a route.

[Livonetc]

Written as you do.
Only now I am writing from a smartphone and there is no way to seriously copy and paste something.
I also work on my memory with the help of medication and exercise.
So call me if anything.

[donavi49]

The helicopter is a demonstrator. That is, not everything can be simulated on computers. So, in order not to carry the functional and large at once, they made a small and unpretentious appendage.

Its main task is reconnaissance of the path (this was very lacking in all previous missions, for operators and route builders), determining the priorities of nearby passing targets (again, it was very lacking whether it was worth turning over to those stones or not, etc.) , photographing those places where the rover cannot reach (for example, a crater, into which if you go down, you cannot get out).

[Livonetc]

It was tested in a sealed room, with a simulation of the atmosphere of Mars.
It was possible to take off.

[Dikson]

In 90 seconds, you won't fly far ... Fly vertically upward, look around and immediately land ... I wonder if this aircraft has autorotation landing ... 400 meters up and back in one and a half minutes ... even a hundred if you go up will be a huge help to the rover ..

[dauria]

The rest of the time will be spent on recharging from solar panels.

Hopefully the solar panel wiper blades are provided. Helicopters actually "get dusty" when landing.

[kamui91]

Yes, the mass is more than a ton already, 1025 kg.
In principle, these are the parameters of an ordinary passenger car.
For example, this is how much the first generation Civic Type R weighed, if you subtract the driver.

[prior]

Why does present-day Russia need Mars?
For Gazprom to start building the Martian Stream there?

[kamui91]

The question should be posed more globally - why does humanity need Mars at all?
Communication / ERS / Positioning / Tourism.
Only these areas can really make a profit in space.
All the rest - the mediocre drank the dough and the satisfaction of his own curiosity at the expense of others. There are no exceptions.

[Nastia makarova]

not everything is measured by money, scientific experiments, space exploration

[prior]

"not everything is measured by money"
What is not measured in money is measured in very large money.

[kamui91]

What nonsense? Everything is measured by money. Or do you think the rover will fly to Mars for free?
The cost of one Mars 2020 program is $ 2.5 billion. At the same time, for example, the total investment required for the implementation of the Starlink satellite Internet is estimated at $ 10 billion.
Each a dollar spent on futile missions to Mars is a dollar taken out of the pocket of lucrative segments of space.

[Nastia makarova]

you write nonsense !!! if it was measured by money, then hundreds of lards would not be poured into space, this is science !!! development of new technologies

[kamui91]

I drank it. This is the satisfaction of one's own curiosity at the expense of others.
You can, of course, say that I am discussing other people's money - but if the United States had not been doing this bullshit, then we have already would have been realized by StarLink or the possibility to make a suborbital flight for a couple of million rubles.

[Nastia makarova]

a lot of technologies came into our life precisely because of space exploration

[kamui91]

All of these technologies would come this way. This does not require a useless space-like spacer. Moreover, in some cases this gasket is even harmful.
I must admit that I myself am connected with space, but fortunately now it is not scientific, but commercial, which is extremely happy.
For example, they tell me that Apollo brought a lot of valuable things - and indeed, his legacy is included in the calculation package that we use. But why was it necessary to throw trillions on flags to develop these calculation programs? Why does the state think that people are so dumb that they cannot develop similar programs for calculating something more mundane and useful? Why are all these useless spacers between scientists / engineers and business needed?
Likewise for everything else. Technologies must be developed for a specific task. And not so, through a nasty hole - first we will spend billions on development, and then the same amount on adaptation for terrestrial conditions, if possible.

[Nastia makarova]

it's good that you are not in charge of the world, with such you would be picking sticks in the ground without science))))

[kamui91]

Well, everything is still ahead of me, I have already reached the highest executive position (leading engineer) - now only the superiors are waiting.
So let's see.

[vadimtt]

But it is not a blue helicopter that will fly to Earth, but a pebble, at least 300 tons, at a speed of 10 km / sec. You will immediately understand why Mars needs a self-sustaining colony for 2-3 million people, preferably of all the nationalities of the Earth.

[kamui91]

Leaving aside the technical impossibility of such a colony - do you seriously think that you or your loved ones will be among the chosen ones?
No, and you and I will die here and do we really care if someone is there on Mars or not?

[vadimtt]

And then the chosen ones? The survival of humanity is the only worthy task for humanity itself - nothing else matters. The more colonies, the more chances. Well, you are greatly mistaken about the technical impossibility.

[kamui91]

Specifically, what do you care about humanity? You, in any case, will lie in the land.

[UserGun]

No, they want to give the gas meat with a wave of the royal hand another idiocy. Extract hydrogen from natural gas)))

[Odysseus]

Well then. Here we can only wish them luck in starting and completing the entire mission.
It will be hoped that the rivalry between the two superpowers, the PRC and the United States, will contribute to the progress of mankind in the same way as the rivalry between the USSR and the United States once did.

[7,62x54]

In fact, the fact of almost simultaneous launch of two missions from different countries is a significant event. Here the intrigue will remain: will both missions succeed, what results will each country receive? So the race began.

[arnulla]

We, as I understand it, will dive from a trampoline to Mars))

[Perseverance]

Video about the rover.

[b4b.ay]

Well, let's sit back on the sofas and watch.

[Senka naughty]

Another "serial" for bees, people die by millions from hunger, disease and war. Or have we already thoroughly studied our planet? Is there publicly available data? One continuous, endless scam.

[Ross xnumx]

Rogozin, of course, is younger, but not so much as not to hear on Cosmonautics Day:

New songs came up with life:

 Show / Hide text

Deep space was completely abandoned:
Rogozin himself "cut off" all the paths there.
And once dreamers told us
That Mars will bloom apple trees.

It's good when comrades at Roscosmos
Sawing fun budget "loot".
And their head, about the trampoline gibbering to us, -
The "face" does not fit on the screen.

We will definitely end the stars.
Don't worry about us and don't be sad.
Plundering our land is wonderful
We will shake it like an apple tree.

[pytar]

SASCH continue to explore Space! Their successes are impressive! American technology shows phenomenal performance, being tens of years away for millions of kilometers. into the depths of the Cosmos! I wish them SUCCESS in this mission too!

[Alexey-74]

How will Roscosmos respond? The Arabs sent, the Chinese sent, the Americans sent and will send, and the world's first space power is Russia? What will comrade Rogozin D. say ??? Or again about trampolines ...

[Vadim237]

In 2022, together with the Europeans, we will ship. That's all for now.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vadim237

In 2022, together with the Europeans, we will ship. That's all for now.

Have all our problems been solved on Earth? Why do we need "apple trees blooming on Mars"? Do you have refrigerators for supplies? Easier to buy Polish.

[pytar]

How will Roscosmos respond?

With new, even more ambitious promises!

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

How will Roscosmos respond?

With new, even more ambitious promises!

DM has been tested in a thermal vacuum chamber.

[pytar]

Yes, I will only be glad , but for now, the situation with Rosskosmos looks unhappy ... Especially if we compare its results with other participants in the space race! Some kind of chaos is observed, that they are doing nothing finishing! Rogozin has a lot of show-offs, and the results are modest! Russia's lagging behind is obvious against the background of its leadership in the past!

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

Yes, I will only be glad , but for now, the situation with Rosskosmos looks unhappy ... Especially if we compare its results with other participants in the space race!

We do not participate in any races.

Quote: pytar

Some kind of chaos is observed, that they are doing nothing finishing!

What have you not completed yet? Nothing to name, right?

Quote: pytar

Rogozin has a lot of show-offs, and the results are modest! Russia's lagging behind is obvious against the background of its leadership in the past!

There is no "lag and show off". And there is a daily routine work.

[pytar]

We do not participate in any races.

They participated before, moreover, they were ahead of everyone! You no longer participate, it is logical that you are nowhere to be found.

What have you not completed yet? Nothing to name, right?

It is much easier to name what has been completed. Essentially nothing.

There is no "lag and show off". And there is a daily routine work.

In Rogozin's imagination, it probably is.

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

We do not participate in any races.

They participated before, moreover, they were ahead of everyone! You no longer participate, it is logical that you are nowhere to be found.

You are nowhere to be found. And we are everywhere.

Quote: pytar

It is much easier to name what has been completed. Essentially nothing.

Clear. Not named. Blah blah blah.

Quote: pytar

In Rogozin's imagination, it probably is.

Rogozin, "in imagination," routinely launched Progress MS-15,

in a week we will routinely launch communication satellites,

in another week - navigation, and then new ones are on the way. Routine.

[pytar]

Exaltation, urya-urya, will not help in any way in these matters. Most likely harmful.

[slipped]

Quote: pytar

Exaltation, urya-urya, will not help in any way in these matters. Most likely harmful.

blah blah blah continues

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

With "slight" envy and strong irritation. Its ... Well done, however. And we have "the wrong comrade rules the ball" ... (c)

[Knell wardenheart]

It can't help but burn when you read this, albeit slightly. No, I'm happy for the Americans, but what kind of rover they have? 5, 6? For a good decade and a half, they roam Mars there and have already collected wagons of the most important data - if, for example, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow they begin to pile territories there, they have all the cards in their hands.
What do we have? Was it really impossible to give birth to at least one archaic rover in 20 long years? To say that we are behind on Mars is great to downplay the situation!
It's a shame all this ..

[slipped]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

It can't help but burn when you read this,

Well, at least one admitted that he was burning.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

if, for example, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow they begin to pile territories there - they have all the cards in their hands.

What to do? "post territory"? Well, well.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

What do we have? Was it really impossible to give birth to at least one archaic rover in 20 long years?

Why do we need an "archaic rover"? Curiosity and I got what we needed. Russian device DAN - have you heard of this? Here he stood.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

To say that we are behind on Mars is great to downplay the situation!

We now have the ExoMars-2016 orbiter flying around Mars and sending data.

[Knell wardenheart]

"Well, well," the Americans will tell us - when they stake out Mars for the "world democratic community." They will say - welcome to Japanese companies, French, British, Indian, etc. - and Russia and China all the best. And we are like - "BLABLABLAA! NUCLEAR WEAPONS !!" - and they will answer us - excuse me, but where were you when the planet was studied for tens of years? Have you installed a hydrogen detector? Have you installed an alpha particle detector? Yeah, it's powerful.
Do you seriously think that the Americans ordered these detectors from us because they could not make them themselves? :) They saved on the mission, so they ordered from us - our little people who collect all this have to pay less than the Chinese.
We got all the data we needed, right?) Do we have a separate plate on this detector? Everything ends up in Uncle Sam's pocket, and he then decides what to whom to know.

You really do not catch up with the fact that our latest experience in the creation and operation of a moving part for moving on the surface of another cosmic body is the experience of "Lunokhod" - what year is it? Can I remind you how our last device sent there was going to move across Mars? And how much should have lived. What was the service life of these devices?
From which finger are we going to suck the technique for our lunar base (if any)? Maybe you think that the Americans will give us all the developments on the technical parts of their rovers as we politely ask? :) They have been creating these devices for more than a dozen years - they sent them, gained horse experience in their operation - we will have to meddle in this matter with our theorist of the times Brezhnev. So excuse me - better a crap rover like "Opportunity" - than all these gadgets that won't deliver and ride themselves!

When we finally decide to advance in space - that's just as dashing. It won't work out like before - and it won't work either. The fact that we are able to make some details and launch them to orbit will not surprise anyone. How many years will it take us to catch up to the west in AMC? How many copies will we break with our current pace and habits before we land on the moon?
We're incredibly behind in the space race - I can't share your optimism.

[slipped]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

"Well, well," the Americans will tell us - when they stake out Mars for the "world democratic community." They will say - welcome to Japanese companies, French, British, Indian, etc. - and Russia and China all the best.

The blizzard was carried.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

And we are like - "BLABLABLAA! NUCLEAR WEAPONS !!" - and they will answer us - excuse me, but where were you when the planet was studied for tens of years? Have you installed a hydrogen detector? Have you installed an alpha particle detector? Yeah, it's powerful.

Well, yes, a blizzard. We, by the way, have been studying Mars for four years from orbit. You forgot.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Do you seriously think that the Americans ordered these detectors from us because they could not make them themselves? :)

Not. They didn't order detectors. We set them up. You do not understand this.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

They saved on the mission, so they ordered it from us - our little people who collect all this have to pay less than the Chinese.

I say, you don’t understand. Nobody paid for our scientific instrument on the rover. Since it belongs to Russia.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

We got all the data we needed, right?) Do we have a separate plate on this detector? Everything ends up in Uncle Sam's pocket, and he then decides what to whom to know.

Indeed, you do not know how everything works. From the DAN device on the American rover, data went through DSN, from there to us. And from joint European spacecraft we receive data directly on the plates of the Center for Far Space Communication in Ussuriisk and Medvezhye Ozyory.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

You really do not catch up with the fact that our latest experience in creating and operating a moving part for moving on the surface of another cosmic body is the experience of "Lunokhod" - what year is it?

We have VNIITRANSMASH. They are just doing all such devices. Go to the site, read http://www.vniitransmash.ru/

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Can I remind you how our last device sent there was going to move across Mars? And how much should have lived. What was the service life of these devices?

We didn't launch rovers on purpose. There was a small optional apparatus off Mars 3 and a jumping probe for Phobos.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

From what finger are we going to suck the technique for our lunar base (if any)? Maybe you think that the Americans will give us all the developments on the technical part of their rovers as we politely ask? :) They have been creating these devices for more than a dozen years - they sent them ...

And why "suck it out" if she's standing in a hangar?

By the way, do you know how long our Moon rovers have traveled on the Moon?

Then you have another blizzard.

[Knell wardenheart]

Blizzard, huh? :) And have you heard about the American legal initiatives for the development of lunar resources and the related jurisdiction? Who got up first, and boots. The rules are written by the participants in the process!

We can study it for at least ten years from orbit. The question is in updating technologies that we have not used since the 70s - I think that it is necessary to develop this direction at least at the minimum level, you need competence and presence - you think that all this is crap in vegetable oil and when the big Russian bear comes, everyone will just move.

We put them before the sanctions - after the sanctions, the Americans will make them themselves. You don't understand what I'm talking about. They CAN do it, we can't do everything else, even if we really want to :-)

Yeah, seriously, you will now prove to me that in scientific cooperation pure communism is right?) Someone always pays, dear) And if you got something cheaper (or free), you have a benefit, and you can buy something more expensive. They gave it or bought it for deshman - there is no difference, because this device is a small part of the American intelligence and study scheme - they will get a more complete picture of the data for less spending, we will get a piece of dubious utility for a part of these expenses.

About the device that sends a separate stream of information directly to us, it's just a masterpiece of trash) Some kind of muddy Russian contraption dangles on a multibillion-dollar device, sends data to the Russians - have you ever wondered why they should have put it on under such conditions? You compose fairy tales ..

Yeah, we do a lot of things on Earth. For example, 2 times they tried to send the device to Phobos. Something not really went! What do you think, will our mobile unit go further, which for 50 years has not been tested further than any Kazakh steppes? In general, is there a boy? Everything that exists in space-related metal has long eaten away the baldness with photos and a change in names or at least layouts - but I have not seen the chassis, as well as any concepts. And this means that when it presses, they will actualize the archaic with all that it implies.

The fact that we did not contact this on purpose is a big mistake. For thirty years we have warmed up very cool in orbit - good money, cheerful reports. Now all this is crumbling at a good pace - and what will we face tomorrow? What developments do we have relevant for asteroid missions, the Moon, Mars? During this time, the United States has achieved a fantastic development of compression and data transmission technologies, many years of reliable operation of batteries, solar panels and moving parts in conditions different from those of the earth, rover landing technologies, etc. Do you think the bullshit question is catch up?)

Next, you post a photo of mesh wheels - ooo, this is undoubtedly progress! The Russians were able to make such wheels! Now it remains to stir up our batteries and motors to them, so that all this does not bend without pathos in a couple of days - both the case and the equipment - or how will Sputnik-1 be sent to just roll back and forth?) Do we have all this? Even in concept. You can also find wheels in Yandex.

You think that in the subject, but this is either extreme optimism, or you were simply bought.

[slipped]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Blizzard, huh? :)

Yes

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Have you heard about American legal initiatives for the development of lunar resources and the related jurisdiction? Who got up first, and boots. The rules are written by the participants in the process!

Do you want me to write you a "legal initiative"? I'll even put a stamp. Be the King of the Moon.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

We can study it for at least ten years from orbit. The question is in updating technologies that we have not used since the 70s - I think that it is necessary to develop this direction at least at the minimum level, you need competence and presence - you think that all this is crap in vegetable oil and when the big Russian bear comes, everyone will just move.

In October next year, we have a landing station "Luna-25" flying to the zone that we explored with our LEND device - the Boguslavsky crater, to the South Pole. And behind it is the Luna-26 orbiter in a joint program with the Chinese.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

We put them before the sanctions - after the sanctions, the Americans will make them themselves.

Do you forbid them to do it themselves? Let them do it.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

You don't understand what I'm talking about. They CAN do it, we can't do everything else, even if we really want to :-)

What we "can't" do? Naive Chukchi young man.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Yeah, seriously, you will now prove to me that pure communism is in scientific cooperation, right?)

No.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

They gave it or bought it for deshman - there is no difference, because this device is a small part of the American intelligence and study scheme - they will get a more complete picture of the data for less spending, we will get a piece of dubious utility for a part of these expenses.

We already got everything we wanted.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

About the device that sends a separate stream of information directly to us, it's just a masterpiece of trash)

What device? Did you carefully read what I wrote above?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Some kind of muddy Russian contraption dangles on a multi-billion dollar device, sends data to the Russians - have you ever wondered why they should have put it on at all under such conditions? You compose fairy tales ..

Funny. It has to be like this .... dunno to continue writing such a blizzard. We simply go to the ExoMars website and read:

"The spacecraft is now at a distance of 203 million kilometers from the Earth, it is operated by three networks of ground stations:

- ESTRACK, the European Space Agency (ESA) antenna systems network;
- DSN, American Deep Space Terrestrial Antenna Network (NASA);
- RKPNI, Russian complex for receiving scientific information (State Corporation Roscosmos)."

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Yeah, we do a lot of things on Earth. For example, 2 times they tried to send the device to Phobos.

Three times:

July 7, 1988 - AMS "Phobos-1" - successful launch, during the flight an erroneous command was issued by the control group, which de-energized the platform, the device was lost.
July 12, 1988 - AMS "Phobos-2" - successful launch, transmitted a lot of telephoto and data from Phobos orbit, communication with the device was lost in Mars orbit during its transfer to Phobos for landing landing stations. The reason for the loss of connection is unknown.
November 9, 2011 - AMS "Phobos-Grunt" - successful launch, failure of the control system of the RB of the vehicle when entering the departure trajectory.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

And this means that when it presses, they will actualize the archaic with all that it implies.

No.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Now all this is crumbling at a good pace - and what will we face tomorrow?

Earthquake? What do you have "crumbling" there?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

What developments do we have relevant for asteroid missions, the Moon, Mars?

How can I tell you? We have developments for asteroid missions, the Moon, Mars. Needed - will become relevant.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

During this time, the United States has achieved fantastic development of compression and data transmission technologies,

Do you use WinRar? Who is the developer?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

many years of reliable operation of batteries, solar panels and moving parts in conditions different from those of the earth

Yes, yes, we are doing the same. We have a large satellite fleet.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

rover landing technologies, etc. Do you think the bullshit question is catch up?)

We have four landing stations in a row to the Moon - 25,27,28,29. And yes, we are not going to catch up - not in the race.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Next, you post a photo of mesh wheels - ooo, this is undoubtedly progress! The Russians were able to make such wheels! Now it remains to stir up your batteries and motors to them,

By the way, each such wheel has its own electric motor.

Well, in principle, your level on the topic is already clear to me. You become uninteresting to me. Study well, gain knowledge.

[Knell wardenheart]

You are a dull troll who bears on personalities. Fantasies, optimism and positive coverage of individual facts, despite the fact that you are rushing like a garden hose - perfectly demonstrates that you are a small paid PR man of Roscosmos.
They threw me some links - they tell you about the facts - we are NOT represented either on the Moon or Mars (specifically now), and 10 years ago we were not, and 20 years ago. And you mean some concepts of technology and the future in psychedelic colors. We had a lot of equipment that went to the dustbin of history in this semi-mock-up form, and your wheels with or without a motor - the same fantasy as the "Federation" or the "Science" module - until it is on the launch pad.
We are still entering international cooperation - but I once again point out to you that as regards how the Western cosmonautics moved, we are standing still (at best), which means that practical interest in maintaining such cooperation from the West will fall. And when he finally falls, they will talk to you differently, and we still imagine ourselves (and this is clearly seen by your bravado) as "all controllers."

I see no reason to waste time on you - you are paid for holivar, for me these are dots above the "I", no more.

Oh yes, you wrote: "... We have a landing station Luna-25 flying next October ..."
Now, if it really flies for YOU in October 2021, then yes, I will take off my hat and say "I was wrong." I hope that your optimism will also diminish - if this does not happen.

[slipped]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

You are a dull troll who bears on personalities.

Rolled into insults?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Fantasies, optimism and positive coverage of individual facts, despite the fact that you are rushing like a garden hose, perfectly demonstrates that you are a small paid PR man of Roscosmos.

Your first word very accurately characterizes your entire verbal ... paragraph.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

They threw me some links - they tell you about the facts - we are NOT represented either on the Moon or Mars (right now)

Wow. Flag missing?

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

and your wheels, with or without a motor - the same fantasy as the "Federation" or the "Science" module - until it is on the launch pad.

Well, here is one of your "fantasy" not so long ago leaves the thermal vacuum chamber

will soon leave for the cosmodrome.

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

We are still entering international cooperation - but I once again point out to you that as to how the Western cosmonautics moved, we are standing still (at best)

we are not going to leave the "international cooperation", on the contrary, we have many new programs open, the Indians are training at the CTC, the Arabs fly on our ships, the Spaniards with the Japanese and Germans and other Italians participate in our astrophysical research program, the French buy our rockets with services on launch, the Chinese generally tied up on the moon ... do not drive the blizzard further

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

, and hence the practical interest in maintaining such cooperation from the West will fall. And when he finally falls, they will talk to you differently, and we still imagine ourselves (and this is clearly seen by your bravado) as "all controllers."

Bulk-vsepalschik? Clear. Boring girls.

[A.TOR]

The photograph you cited - a fragment - has nothing to do with the "rover in the hangar".
This is a mock-up of an articulated chassis with an experienced 3-plane hinge m / d front and rear bogies.
It was created by Alexander Kemurdzhian in the late 90s, this is one of his last works.
Since the mid-2000s it has been standing not in the "hangar", but in the lobby at the entrance to the main building of VniiTransmash.

By the way, this wheel design was rejected as a result of tests.

[slipped]

Quote: A.TOR

The photograph you cited - a fragment - has nothing to do with the "rover in the hangar".

The photo given by me has nothing to do with the "rover in the hangar". If you read my posts - it was about the lunar landing gear. The chassis of the rover / Venus rover was as follows:

Quote: A.TOR

This is a mock-up of an articulated chassis with an experienced 3-plane hinge m / d front and rear bogies.
It was created by Alexander Kemurdzhian in the late 90s, this is one of his last works.

I know.

Quote: A.TOR

Since the mid-2000s it has been standing not in the "hangar", but in the lobby at the entrance to the main building of VniiTransmash.

Well, yes. Do you want a photo of what is "in the hangar" here?

Quote: A.TOR

By the way, this wheel design was rejected as a result of tests.

It happens. I can give such a picture:

[Whirlwind]

The Atlas - 5 rocket with the rover will be lifted by our first stage RD-180 and this will be our contribution to the study of the red planet!

[Klingon]

Quote: Legionista

"Now we will ask the head of the transport department to the podium. Let him report on the search for internal reserves. Tell us!"
But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.

like this, let me disagree! And the "space" elevators with the voice of Gagarin?

[Interlocutor]

The Martians are already crazy. The third missile was sent to them.