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NASA announced the readiness of the Perseverance rover to launch to Mars

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NASA announced the readiness of the Perseverance rover to launch to Mars

The American Mars rover Perseverance has passed all pre-flight tests, its launch to Mars is tentatively scheduled for July 30 this year. This is reported by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL).


According to the report, the rover passed all the tests planned before the launch of the Atlas V rocket to the launch pad and the transfer of the rover to onboard power. The decision to fully launch Perseverance will be made on Monday, July 27, following the final tests of all systems of the launch vehicle and rover capsule.

We are very pleased that we have cleared another launch barrier and that all pre-flight checks went well. At the same time, we are not going to relax and will continue to work in the same vein until we launch the rover into space. Mars is a very harsh planet and we are not going to leave anything to chance

- said the deputy head of the Perseverance project Matt Wallace.

Initially, the launch of the rover was scheduled for July 17, but due to difficulties in docking the capsule with the rover and the launch vehicle, it was first postponed to July 20, then to 22, and the last date was July 30. At the moment, all problems have been resolved, but the device can go to Mars even later, if the launch is prevented by the weather or any technical problems that have arisen.

As previously reported, the American rover, as well as the Chinese launched today, will reach Mars for about seven months. Upon arrival at the Red Planet in February 2021, he should land in the vicinity of the Yesero crater on the equator of Mars. The rover is equipped with a special Ingenuity helicopter, which should show that flights to Mars are in principle possible. The main objective of this mission is to collect and study the properties of sedimentary rocks.
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  1. Vadim237
    Vadim237 23 July 2020 14: 52 New
    20
    It remains a successful launch and operation of the entire mission as a whole.
    1. Infinity
      Infinity 23 July 2020 15: 17 New
      10
      I will join! An excellent July for humanity - three missions to the Red Planet! First, the Arabs with their orbital "Al-Amal" ("Hope"), today the Chinese with their "Tianwen-1" ("Questions to Heaven") and now, the Americans. But Mars 2020 with this rover and helicopter is the most interesting of all. Most of all scientific equipment, an excellent successor to the work of its predecessors! And of course Ingenuity! The first atmospheric aircraft in history outside of the Earth, capable of making, though short, but not jet-powered flights.

      PS: It's a pity that the launch of the second stage of ExoMars was postponed to 2022, and there would be 4 missions.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 23 July 2020 15: 44 New
        -1
        Wasn't it easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks, following the example of weather balloons? The igniter was fired up, he pouted with helium and flew to himself, transmitting data to the base ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 23 July 2020 15: 55 New
          +2
          it was easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks

          They are not how to manage. Where the wind blows, there they go. On this helicopter, the American is working on a future technique for moving in the specific atmosphere of Mars. hi
        2. Infinity
          Infinity 23 July 2020 16: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Dikson
          Wasn't it easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks, following the example of weather balloons? The igniter was fired up, he pouted with helium and flew to himself, transmitting data to the base ...
          Just a helicopter is primarily an addition to the rover. He will explore the surroundings, which will allow finding points of interest for the rover, for the latter has all the scientific instruments. + reconnaissance of the path so as not to fall into a sand trap, like Spirit once did. + excellent experience of using this technique in the conditions of Mars.
          It is better to send the mission described by you separately, without rovers. And load it fucking scientific instruments wink There were even such ideas, but there were no projects in development, as far as I know. And it is not known how to manage it (impossible). Will take it somewhere, the connection will be interrupted, and then look all over Mars wassat
          1. pytar
            pytar 23 July 2020 16: 56 New
            +3
            a helicopter is primarily an addition to the rover. He will explore the surroundings, which will allow finding points of interest for the rover, for the latter has all the scientific instruments. + reconnaissance of the path so as not to fall into a sand trap, like Spirit once did. + excellent experience of using this technique in the conditions of Mars.

            You're right! good The helicopter will play the role of "long eyes" in the rover!

            Since the distance to the Earth is large, direct control from the operator is slow and risky. Therefore, the rover has a system of "artificial intelligence". It is very powerful, but still recedes to the human mind in terms of the ability to analyze and the speed of reaction. To give more time for processing environmental data, the helicopter flies around the route and transmits information to the rover's computer. More is always seen from above than on the level of the rover's cameras. If an obstacle arises in front of him, another path can be quickly chosen. hi
          2. Dikson
            Dikson 23 July 2020 17: 44 New
            0
            As far as I remember, on Mars, really powerful winds can blow .. in automatic mode, losing a copter is much sadder than an escaped balloon .. Although you are right, a meteorological balloon is too highly specialized device .. The helicopter will really allow you to expand the viewing radius and allow you to better assess the situation around the rover ..
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 23 July 2020 18: 09 New
              +1
              It's so easy not to lift the helicopter if the winds are strong. All the same, its flight range is small.
              1. dauria
                dauria 23 July 2020 18: 16 New
                +3
                It is necessary to count.
                The density of the Mars atmosphere at the surface is about 0,020 kg / m³,
                The force of gravity is 0 earthly.
                In this situation, on the ground, in terms of lift, the helicopter corresponds to a density of 0,020: 0.38 = 0,0526 kg / m³
                This on Earth corresponds to an altitude of 22 km. The numbers are quite real.
                An interesting apparatus, the "flapper" should be hoo. How was it checked, in a pressure chamber?

                You know, he suddenly laughed himself - such a technique, and negrito, peeing at the police and barely able to read. laughing Absurd.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 23 July 2020 18: 24 New
                  +1
                  Yes, it was checked in a pressure chamber while pulling on a cable from above simulating both the atmosphere of Mars and its attraction.
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 24 July 2020 05: 47 New
                  +3
                  Quote: dauria
                  You know, he suddenly laughed himself - such a technique, and negrito, peeing at the police and barely able to read. laughing Absurd.

                  The Arabs took out their slaves-blacks oh sorry African Americans tongue many times more than in both America with the Caribbean in addition. And African Americans' own indigenous population tongue the Arabs do not, because they castrated slaves. If the founding fathers of America took their example, then America in terms of education, life expectancy, infant mortality, and crime would be, if not the first, then close. And not even in the top ten.
                  Universities and ghettos practically do not overlap. As they say, cutlets separately, flies separately.
            2. orionvitt
              orionvitt 23 July 2020 19: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Dikson
              As far as I remember on Mars, really powerful winds can blow.

              Hollywood films have seen enough. What nafig winds if the atmosphere of Mars
              1/170 of the earth, or equal to the earth at an altitude of almost 35 km from the surface of the Earth
              This is almost at the edge of near space.
            3. pytar
              pytar 23 July 2020 20: 25 New
              0
              Strong hurricanes blow on Mars! But we must bear in mind that we cannot feel them by our earthly sweats! The atmospheric pressure is 133 times less than that of the Earth! The body's own weight is 2 times less than on Earth, but it is much more stable under the influence of the Martian wind due to the low pressure. Of course, I wonder how the real situation will be and whether the device will be able to rise? I didn’t find information, does the helicopter pilot have a flight mode for bandages to the rover, with the power supply, like "on the rope"? As I understand, we are talking about an experiment, and the rover will still move as usual, relying on its video cameras. Americans are trying different technologies on future missions. On Mars, there is still an atmosphere, for the difference from the Moon, so you cannot exclude this possibility for movement at large distances.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 23 July 2020 19: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Dikson
          Wasn't it easier to charge several balloons with equipment blocks, following the example of weather balloons? The igniter was fired up, he pouted with helium and flew to himself, transmitting data to the base ...

          It is a pity that NASA does not consult with VO bloggers. laughing
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 23 July 2020 19: 47 New
            0
            Indeed .. they do not consult in vain .. It's just that the balls are needed for the wrong tasks .. - I wrote about meteorological balloons .. and they need a scout, in fact ... A meteozand can transmit information for several hours, and a helicopter - 90 seconds .. only and that's all ..
        4. eklmn
          eklmn 23 July 2020 20: 03 New
          +2
          The helicopter is not for the weather, but for route reconnaissance. Because it's a nightmare for engineers to see a very expensive machine stuck in the sand. And this was the case with another rover ...
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 23 July 2020 17: 21 New
        -12
        Quote: Infinity
        and now, the Americans. But Mars 2020 with this rover and helicopter is the most interesting of all.

        Aha! The main thing is to really fly, and not like to the moon.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 15: 18 New
      +4
      NASA announced the readiness of the Perseverance rover for launching to Mars.

      We can only be glad for the American specialists who could, and he:

      I COULD NOT !!!
      1. Charik
        Charik 23 July 2020 23: 27 New
        0
        I don't understand, I lost weight or gained weight
      2. slipped
        slipped 23 July 2020 23: 27 New
        -2
        Oh, as if there are more photoshopped people. lol In a portrait studio I can distort any face like this - my own mother will be amazed:



        By the way, "Kazachok" is generally ready, ESA slowed down.
      3. Roman123567
        Roman123567 24 July 2020 10: 08 New
        -1
        And he is not an expert ...
  2. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 23 July 2020 14: 54 New
    14
    At the moment, Americans are leaders in space exploration. Anyway.
    Good luck to the rover. Rather, the scientists and engineers who created it.
  3. Legionista
    Legionista 23 July 2020 14: 55 New
    +8
    "Now we will ask the head of the transport department to the podium. Let him report on the search for internal reserves. Tell us!" laughing
    But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 23 July 2020 16: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: Legionista
      But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.

      Head of the transport department: You are in vain, in vain! (Pours from a decanter.)
      Ha! Dear, what to report? There are achievements, there are! Our workshop was chronically lagging behind, now it is chronically overtaking! The transport department again took over, as in the previous year and carries it with honor. He promised, in general, without waiting for the end of the year ...
    2. slipped
      slipped 23 July 2020 23: 30 New
      -4
      Quote: Legionista
      But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.


      and we just routinely launched a rocket to the ISS

  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 23 July 2020 15: 02 New
    -6
    I even know what he will find there lol
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 57 New
      0
      He will meet his wheeled brothers there.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 23 July 2020 15: 59 New
        -5
        With the "Quality Mark" and the "Made in USSR" nameplate? lol
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 25 July 2020 11: 36 New
          -2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          With the "Quality Mark"

          Thanks to which the only Soviet rover that managed to land worked for 14.5 seconds. Apparently, he only had time to inhale the "Belomor" from the pack, and that very drop of nicotine killed him.
  5. Ghost of reagan
    Ghost of reagan 23 July 2020 15: 04 New
    +7
    There are already space tugs and commercial orbital stations planned. In general, in 2021, the absolute leadership of the United States in space will be formalized, and after 2024 they will gradually engage in the militarization of space on a larger scale than now. Well, since the Space Shuttle could not organize SDI but served well for 30 years, then this time Starship will organize SDI of the 21st century. I can already imagine how they rub their pens at the Pentagon realizing how many carriers will appear soon.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 11 New
      +2
      Boeing X-37, dream chaser, reusable launch vehicles will be more useful in building SDI.
      1. Ghost of reagan
        Ghost of reagan 23 July 2020 15: 26 New
        11
        There, the Starship cargo version can send 1/3 of the ISS into orbit at a time. Elon understands that New Glenn will be more in demand than the Falcon 9 line and even Falcon Heavy. He is going to spend more than 10 billion on the Starship / SuperHeavy system so as not to stay behind and give up the leadership to Jeff Bezos, between SpaceX and Blue Origin in the next decade there will be a very serious cut for commercial, military and satellite launches, and control of the Earth transportation market The moon is generally a very tasty morsel. The Americans did what they had planned under the Shuttle, namely to make Space activities profitable and drive all the power of the market private companies there. This can be compared to the dawn of maritime trade in the Renaissance and the activities of the OST-Indian Trading Company, then the whole world suddenly ceased to be unexplored and without white spots on the map. Space is unlimited resources, opportunities and territories, the country that will get all the benefits of space will cease to be just a superpower, it will be reborn into something much MORE powerful and strong. No wonder the Chinese got caught up in space, apparently better than in the Russian Federation, they understand how to lag behind the Amer in space.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 31 New
          -1
          With a mass launch, yes, the starship will come in handy. When you need to maintain a constellation of orbital aircraft, various stations in the orbit of the Moon and Earth. Falcon 9 launch vehicles are more useful. An orbital plane has landed, with a load that needs to be lowered, carried out maintenance or rearmament. Work was done and sent again. There is no need to wait until the required amount of cargo is collected.
          1. Ghost of reagan
            Ghost of reagan 23 July 2020 15: 37 New
            +3
            My dear friend Starship will replace the entire Falcon line, Elon said about this more than once. The ambition of this man and his company will create a monstrous system. Dream chaser and X-37 will quickly cease to be relevant. At the Starship presentation, Elon talked about millions of tons of cargo per year and this was not a reservation, he really wants to build a space fleet. For him to spend tens on all this, and in the future, hundreds of billions of dollars is not a problem.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 46 New
              0
              I rely on what is, the task of building SDI is already possible, by the means that have been tested. Naturally promising technologies will provide new opportunities. As soon as the starship is tested, we will evaluate it, while it is bold even for me. In fact, if the starship turns out to be space to turn into an internal "sea" of the United States, the opportunities that it will give will nullify all our achievements of the mid-to-late 20th century.
            2. UserGun
              UserGun 23 July 2020 16: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Reagan's Ghost
              For him to spend tens on all this, and in the future, hundreds of billions of dollars is not a problem.


              Well, this is certainly overkill, but he is still quite a businessman, unlike ours, simply falling apart, I don't even know what to call it.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 July 2020 23: 22 New
              +2
              The reception of these hundreds of billions of dollars will be given to him by Starlink, the global Internet thing, which is in great demand.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 59 New
          +2
          No one will catch up with Musk's office from private traders, he staked out his market.
        3. snucerist
          snucerist 23 July 2020 16: 36 New
          +7
          Yes, if the Starship project can be brought to the final, it will literally turn the world upside down.
          The opportunities are fantastic.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 23 July 2020 17: 33 New
            0
            It will be brought to the Spaces team, I have no doubt that only its final version will more likely resemble a Shuttle with a similar landing, because vertical landing is a very extreme process for such a manned spacecraft, and the use of the very inner space for such a structure in an upright position on another planet and itself the earth will be very difficult. This option
            on the example of our project Tu 2000 will be more preferable
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 15: 17 New
      -17
      they rub their handles from how much money can be cut)))))
      1. Ghost of reagan
        Ghost of reagan 23 July 2020 15: 29 New
        +9
        I'm wondering if anyone tried to calculate how much the maintenance of absolutely all the US Armed Forces, including their entire infrastructure, costs? Considering that the Amers have a professional contract army, I think 700 billion is not even enough. They have hundreds of bases all over the world and an unrealistically huge fleet. These tales about the Pentagon sawing amuse me sometimes.)))
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 July 2020 15: 38 New
          +8
          All the money remains in America, purchases abroad are extremely small. This gives the development of fundamental science, engineering developments, higher and secondary education, a huge number of jobs. From cleaning lady and construction worker to world famous scientists. Therefore, the best people from all over the world go there.
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 15: 38 New
          -15
          there they saw what you never dreamed of)))) half wasted money, they develop stupid technologies such as an automatic apparatus for opening a bottle of Pepsi
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 July 2020 15: 52 New
            +7
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            there they saw that you never dreamed of)))

            So they print dollars, and not get from the sale of resources! wink
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 16: 03 New
              -10
              but no one argues that they print, printed, sawed)))) everyone is good
          2. mehan
            mehan 23 July 2020 17: 09 New
            +6
            And the filed is taken out and hidden in the banks of Voronezh ... right?
            1. Charik
              Charik 23 July 2020 23: 30 New
              -1
              In which bank - more precisely, you can
              1. mehan
                mehan 23 July 2020 23: 32 New
                +4
                Yes, I asked Nastya, she knows everything about the American drank dough. Well, I think, let me ask, maybe to the nearest bank ?! Where can they still stack their files, certainly in Russia ...
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 July 2020 15: 05 New
    +2
    I read about the "helicopter".
    He hypothetically can be in the atmosphere 90 seconds a day.
    The rest of the time will be spent on recharging from solar panels.
    Design height up to 400 meters.
    The distance can fly up to 600 meters.
    Weight less than 2 kilograms.
    Blade length 120 cm.
    The body itself is a square with sides of 14 cm.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 15: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Livonetc
      I read about the "helicopter".

      What, it says there:
      Quote: Livonetc
      Weight less than 2 kilograms.

      Или:
      Weighing about 1,8 kilograms?
      I read about the American Mars rover Perseverance:
      Its goal is to answer the classic question that has been troubling humanity for many years - is there life on Mars? For this, the rover has everything you need. And the list of his equipment is impressive:
      - 23 different cameras, including a two-camera panoramic stereoscopic system "Mastcam-Z", which, by changing the focal length, will be able to take mineralogical photographs of the ground and shooting distant panoramic views;
      - Ultraviolet Raman Spectrometer (SHERLOC), which will be able to identify any organic molecules, or their remains, including fossilized ones. Perhaps this is the main device of the rover. The developers assure that if there are organic molecules in the samples taken, or at least traces of them, then the device will be able to determine this for sure;
      - X-ray fluorimetric spectrometer (PIXL), with the presence of a high-resolution thermal imager for a more detailed study of Martian soil and rock samples;
      Device for remote analysis of the chemical composition of the Martian soil (SuperCam). Its purpose is to search for soil samples with a potentially high probability of the presence of organic matter and rare chemical elements;
      - Geological radar (RIMFAX) for sounding the Martian interior with high resolution;
      Own autonomous weather station (MEDA) for determining the ambient temperature, humidity, wind speed and dust level, atmospheric pressure, illumination.
      - Helicopter drone on coaxial propellers with a diameter of 1,2 meters and a mass of 1,8 kg. It is equipped not only with cameras, but also with a microphone. It will be able to work autonomously within a radius of up to 600 meters from the rover. Purpose - reconnaissance of the area to plot a route.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 23 July 2020 15: 35 New
        +1
        Written as you do.
        Only now I am writing from a smartphone and there is no way to seriously copy and paste something.
        I also work on my memory with the help of medication and exercise.
        So call me if anything. laughing
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 23 July 2020 15: 45 New
      +6
      The helicopter is a demonstrator. That is, not everything can be simulated on computers. So, in order not to carry the functional and large at once, they made a small and unpretentious appendage.

      Its main task is reconnaissance of the path (this was very lacking in all previous missions, for operators and route builders), determining the priorities of nearby passing targets (again, it was very lacking whether it was worth turning over to those stones or not, etc.) , photographing those places where the rover cannot reach (for example, a crater, into which if you go down, you cannot get out).
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 23 July 2020 15: 48 New
        +2
        It was tested in a sealed room, with a simulation of the atmosphere of Mars.
        It was possible to take off.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 23 July 2020 17: 50 New
        0
        In 90 seconds, you won't fly far ... Fly vertically upward, look around and immediately land ... I wonder if this aircraft has autorotation landing ... 400 meters up and back in one and a half minutes ... even a hundred if you go up will be a huge help to the rover ..
    3. dauria
      dauria 24 July 2020 11: 27 New
      0
      The rest of the time will be spent on recharging from solar panels.


      Hopefully the solar panel wiper blades are provided. Helicopters actually "get dusty" when landing. wink
  7. kamui91
    kamui91 23 July 2020 15: 07 New
    +3
    Yes, the mass is more than a ton already, 1025 kg.
    In principle, these are the parameters of an ordinary passenger car.
    For example, this is how much the first generation Civic Type R weighed, if you subtract the driver.
  8. prior
    prior 23 July 2020 15: 08 New
    18
    Why does present-day Russia need Mars?
    For Gazprom to start building the Martian Stream there?
    1. kamui91
      kamui91 23 July 2020 15: 11 New
      -4
      The question should be posed more globally - why does humanity need Mars at all?
      Communication / ERS / Positioning / Tourism.
      Only these areas can really make a profit in space.
      All the rest - the mediocre drank the dough and the satisfaction of his own curiosity at the expense of others. There are no exceptions.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 15: 18 New
        0
        not everything is measured by money, scientific experiments, space exploration
        1. prior
          prior 23 July 2020 15: 22 New
          +3
          "not everything is measured by money"
          What is not measured in money is measured in very large money.
        2. kamui91
          kamui91 23 July 2020 15: 24 New
          -2
          What nonsense? Everything is measured by money. Or do you think the rover will fly to Mars for free?
          The cost of one Mars 2020 program is $ 2.5 billion. At the same time, for example, the total investment required for the implementation of the Starlink satellite Internet is estimated at $ 10 billion.
          Each a dollar spent on futile missions to Mars is a dollar taken out of the pocket of lucrative segments of space.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 15: 36 New
            -2
            you write nonsense !!! if it was measured by money, then hundreds of lards would not be poured into space, this is science !!! development of new technologies
            1. kamui91
              kamui91 23 July 2020 15: 52 New
              -8
              I drank it. This is the satisfaction of one's own curiosity at the expense of others.
              You can, of course, say that I am discussing other people's money - but if the United States had not been doing this bullshit, then we have already would have been realized by StarLink or the possibility to make a suborbital flight for a couple of million rubles.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 16: 02 New
                +1
                a lot of technologies came into our life precisely because of space exploration
                1. kamui91
                  kamui91 23 July 2020 16: 16 New
                  -4
                  All of these technologies would come this way. This does not require a useless space-like spacer. Moreover, in some cases this gasket is even harmful.
                  I must admit that I myself am connected with space, but fortunately now it is not scientific, but commercial, which is extremely happy.
                  For example, they tell me that Apollo brought a lot of valuable things - and indeed, his legacy is included in the calculation package that we use. But why was it necessary to throw trillions on flags to develop these calculation programs? Why does the state think that people are so dumb that they cannot develop similar programs for calculating something more mundane and useful? Why are all these useless spacers between scientists / engineers and business needed?
                  Likewise for everything else. Technologies must be developed for a specific task. And not so, through a nasty hole - first we will spend billions on development, and then the same amount on adaptation for terrestrial conditions, if possible.
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 24 July 2020 07: 47 New
                    0
                    it's good that you are not in charge of the world, with such you would be picking sticks in the ground without science))))
                    1. kamui91
                      kamui91 24 July 2020 18: 20 New
                      0
                      Well, everything is still ahead of me, I have already reached the highest executive position (leading engineer) - now only the superiors are waiting.
                      So let's see.
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt 24 July 2020 10: 04 New
        +1
        But it is not a blue helicopter that will fly to Earth, but a pebble, at least 300 tons, at a speed of 10 km / sec. You will immediately understand why Mars needs a self-sustaining colony for 2-3 million people, preferably of all the nationalities of the Earth.
        1. kamui91
          kamui91 24 July 2020 18: 23 New
          0
          Leaving aside the technical impossibility of such a colony - do you seriously think that you or your loved ones will be among the chosen ones?
          No, and you and I will die here and do we really care if someone is there on Mars or not?
          1. vadimtt
            vadimtt 27 July 2020 07: 42 New
            0
            And then the chosen ones? The survival of humanity is the only worthy task for humanity itself - nothing else matters. The more colonies, the more chances. Well, you are greatly mistaken about the technical impossibility.
            1. kamui91
              kamui91 27 July 2020 12: 32 New
              0
              Specifically, what do you care about humanity? You, in any case, will lie in the land.
    2. UserGun
      UserGun 23 July 2020 16: 53 New
      +1
      No, they want to give the gas meat with a wave of the royal hand another idiocy. Extract hydrogen from natural gas)))
  9. Odysseus
    Odysseus 23 July 2020 15: 18 New
    +5
    Well then. Here we can only wish them luck in starting and completing the entire mission.
    It will be hoped that the rivalry between the two superpowers, the PRC and the United States, will contribute to the progress of mankind in the same way as the rivalry between the USSR and the United States once did.
  10. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 July 2020 15: 21 New
    +2
    In fact, the fact of almost simultaneous launch of two missions from different countries is a significant event. Here the intrigue will remain: will both missions succeed, what results will each country receive? So the race began.
  11. arnulla
    arnulla 23 July 2020 15: 39 New
    +5
    We, as I understand it, will dive from a trampoline to Mars))
  12. Perseverance
    Perseverance 23 July 2020 15: 44 New
    +7

    Video about the rover.
  13. b4b.ay
    b4b.ay 23 July 2020 15: 45 New
    +2
    Well, let's sit back on the sofas and watch.
  14. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 23 July 2020 15: 46 New
    -12
    Another "serial" for bees, people die by millions of hunger, disease and war. Or have we already thoroughly studied our planet? Is there publicly available data? One continuous, endless scam.
  15. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 15: 58 New
    +3
    Rogozin, of course, is younger, but not so much as not to hear on Cosmonautics Day:

    New songs came up with life:
  16. pytar
    pytar 23 July 2020 16: 00 New
    +6
    SASCH continue to explore Space! Their successes are impressive! American technology shows phenomenal performance, being tens of years away for millions of kilometers. into the depths of the Cosmos! I wish them SUCCESS in this mission too! good
  17. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 23 July 2020 16: 45 New
    +3
    How will Roscosmos respond? The Arabs sent, the Chinese sent, the Americans sent and will send, and the world's first space power is Russia? What will comrade Rogozin D. say ??? Or again about trampolines ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 17: 35 New
      +2
      In 2022, together with the Europeans, we will ship. That's all for now.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 July 2020 19: 11 New
        -4
        Quote: Vadim237
        In 2022, together with the Europeans, we will ship. That's all for now.

        Have all our problems been solved on Earth? request Why do we need "apple trees blooming on Mars"? Do you have refrigerators for supplies? Easier to buy Polish. laughing
    2. pytar
      pytar 23 July 2020 20: 31 New
      0
      How will Roscosmos respond?

      With new, even more ambitious promises! yes
      1. slipped
        slipped 23 July 2020 23: 36 New
        0
        Quote: pytar
        How will Roscosmos respond?

        With new, even more ambitious promises! yes


        DM has been tested in a thermal vacuum chamber.

        1. pytar
          pytar 24 July 2020 09: 07 New
          0
          Yes, I will only be glad good , but for now, the situation with Rosskosmos looks unhappy ... Especially if we compare its results with other participants in the space race! Some kind of chaos is observed, that they are doing nothing finishing! Rogozin has a lot of ponty and & a lot, but the results are modest! Russia's lagging behind is obvious against the background of its leadership in the past! hi
          1. slipped
            slipped 24 July 2020 15: 36 New
            0
            Quote: pytar
            Yes, I will only be glad good , but for now, the situation with Rosskosmos looks unhappy ... Especially if we compare its results with other participants in the space race!


            We do not participate in any races.

            Quote: pytar
            Some kind of chaos is observed, that they are doing nothing finishing!


            What have you not completed yet? Nothing to name, right? laughing

            Quote: pytar
            Rogozin has a lot of ponty and & a lot, but the results are modest! Russia's lagging behind is obvious against the background of its leadership in the past! hi


            There is no "lag and show off". And then there is the daily routine.
            1. pytar
              pytar 24 July 2020 16: 57 New
              0
              We do not participate in any races.

              They participated before, moreover, they were ahead of everyone! You no longer participate, it is logical that you are nowhere to be found.
              What have you not completed yet? Nothing to name, right?

              It is much easier to name what has been completed. Essentially nothing. request
              There is no "lag and show off". And then there is the daily routine.

              In Rogozin's imagination, it probably is. yes
              1. slipped
                slipped 24 July 2020 19: 45 New
                0
                Quote: pytar
                We do not participate in any races.

                They participated before, moreover, they were ahead of everyone! You no longer participate, it is logical that you are nowhere to be found.


                You are nowhere to be found. laughing And we are everywhere. laughing

                Quote: pytar
                It is much easier to name what has been completed. Essentially nothing. request


                Clear. Not named. Blah blah blah. lol

                Quote: pytar
                In Rogozin's imagination, it probably is. yes


                Rogozin, "in imagination," routinely launched Progress MS-15,



                in a week we will routinely launch communication satellites,



                in another week - navigation, and then new ones are on the way. Routine.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 24 July 2020 20: 57 New
                  0
                  Exaltation, urya-urya, will not help in any way in these matters. Most likely harmful. hi
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 24 July 2020 22: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: pytar
                    Exaltation, urya-urya, will not help in any way in these matters. Most likely harmful. hi


                    blah blah blah continues
  18. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 July 2020 19: 18 New
    +1
    With "slight" envy and strong irritation. Its ... Well done, however. And we have "the wrong comrade rules the ball" ... (c)
  19. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 July 2020 23: 17 New
    +1
    It can't help but burn when you read this, albeit slightly. No, I'm happy for the Americans, but what kind of rover they have? 5, 6? For a good decade and a half, they roam Mars there and have already collected wagons of the most important data - if, for example, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow they begin to pile territories there, they have all the cards in their hands.
    What do we have? Was it really impossible to give birth to at least one archaic rover in 20 long years? To say that we are behind on Mars is great to downplay the situation!
    It's a shame all this ..
    1. slipped
      slipped 24 July 2020 15: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      It can't help but burn when you read this,


      Well, at least one admitted that he was burning. laughing

      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      if, for example, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow they begin to pile territories there - they have all the cards in their hands.


      What to do? "post territory"? lol Well, well.

      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      What do we have? Was it really impossible to give birth to at least one archaic rover in 20 long years?


      Why do we need an "archaic rover"? Curiosity and I got what we needed. Russian device DAN - have you heard of this? Here I stood on it.

      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      To say that we are behind on Mars is great to downplay the situation!


      We now have the ExoMars-2016 orbiter flying around Mars and sending data.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 24 July 2020 17: 59 New
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        "Well, well," the Americans will tell us - when they stake out Mars for the "world democratic community." They will say - welcome to Japanese companies, French, British, Indian, etc. - and Russia and China all the best. And we are like - "BLABLABLAA! NUCLEAR WEAPONS !!" - and we will be answered - excuse me, but where were you when the planet was studied for tens of years? Have you installed a hydrogen detector? Have you installed an alpha particle detector? Yeah, it's powerful.
        Do you seriously think that the Americans ordered these detectors from us because they could not make them themselves? :) They saved on the mission, so they ordered from us - our little people who collect all this have to pay less than the Chinese.
        We got all the data we needed, right?) Do we have a separate plate on this detector? Everything ends up in Uncle Sam's pocket, and he then decides what to whom to know.

        You really do not catch up that our latest experience in creating and operating a moving part for moving on the surface of another cosmic body is the experience of "Lunokhod" - what year is it? Can I remind you how our last device sent there was going to move across Mars? And how much should have lived. What was the service life of these devices?
        From what finger are we going to suck the technique for our lunar base (if any)? Maybe you think that the Americans will give us all the developments on the technical parts of their rovers as we politely ask? Brezhnev. So excuse me - it's better to have a crappy rover like "Opportunity" - than all these gadgets that won't deliver and ride themselves!

        When we finally decide to advance in space - that's just as dashing. It won't work out like before - and it won't work either. The fact that we are able to make some details and launch them to orbit will not surprise anyone. How many years will it take us to catch up to the west in AMC? How many copies will we break with our current pace and habits before we land on the moon?
        We're incredibly behind in the space race - I can't share your optimism.
        1. slipped
          slipped 24 July 2020 20: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          "Well, well," the Americans will tell us - when they stake out Mars for the "world democratic community." They will say - welcome to Japanese companies, French, British, Indian, etc. - and Russia and China all the best.


          The blizzard was carried.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          And we are like - "BLABLABLAA! NUCLEAR WEAPONS !!" - and we will be answered - excuse me, but where were you when the planet was studied for tens of years? Have you installed a hydrogen detector? Have you installed an alpha particle detector? Yeah, it's powerful.


          Well, yes, a blizzard. We, by the way, have been studying Mars for four years from orbit. You forgot.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Do you seriously think that the Americans ordered these detectors from us because they could not make them themselves? :)


          Not. They didn't order detectors. We set them up. You do not understand this. lol

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          They saved on the mission, so they ordered it from us - our little people who collect all this have to pay less than the Chinese.


          I say, you don’t understand. Nobody paid for our scientific instrument on the rover. Since it belongs to Russia.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          We got all the data we needed, right?) Do we have a separate plate on this detector? Everything ends up in Uncle Sam's pocket, and he then decides what to whom to know.


          Indeed, you do not know how everything works. From the DAN device on the American rover, data went through DSN, from there to us. And from joint European spacecraft we receive data directly on the plates of the Center for Far Space Communication in Ussuriisk and Medvezhye Ozyory.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          You really do not catch up that our latest experience in creating and operating a moving part for moving on the surface of another cosmic body is the experience of "Lunokhod" - what year is it?


          We have VNIITRANSMASH. They are just doing all such devices. Go to the site, read http://www.vniitransmash.ru/

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Can I remind you how our last device sent there was going to move across Mars? And how much should have lived. What was the service life of these devices?


          We didn't launch rovers on purpose. There was a small optional apparatus off Mars 3 and a jumping probe for Phobos.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          From what finger are we going to suck the technique for our lunar base (if any)? Maybe you think that the Americans will give us all the developments on the technical part of their rovers as we politely ask? :) They have been creating these devices for more than a dozen years - they sent them ...


          And why "suck it out" if she's standing in a hangar? laughing



          By the way, do you know how long our Moon rovers have traveled on the Moon? laughing

          Then you have another blizzard.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 24 July 2020 21: 08 New
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            Blizzard, huh? :) And have you heard about the American legal initiatives for the development of lunar resources and the related jurisdiction? Who got up first, and boots. The rules are written by the participants in the process!

            We can study it for at least ten years from orbit. The question is in updating technologies that we have not used since the 70s - I think that it is necessary to develop this direction at least at the minimum level, you need competence and presence - you think that all this is crap in vegetable oil and when the big Russian bear comes, everyone will just move.

            We put them before the sanctions - after the sanctions, the Americans will make them themselves. You don't understand what I'm talking about. They CAN do it, we can't do everything else, even if we really want to :-)

            Yeah, seriously, you will now prove to me that in scientific cooperation pure communism is right?) Someone always pays, dear) And if you got something cheaper (or free), you have a benefit, and you can buy something more expensive. They gave it or bought it for deshman - there is no difference, because this device is a small part of the American intelligence and study scheme - they will get a more complete picture of the data for less spending, we will get a piece of dubious utility for a part of these expenses.

            About the device that sends a separate stream of information directly to us, it's just a masterpiece of trash) Some kind of muddy Russian contraption dangles on a multibillion-dollar device, sends data to the Russians - have you ever wondered why they should have put it on under such conditions? You compose fairy tales ..

            Yeah, we do a lot of things on Earth. For example, 2 times they tried to send the device to Phobos. Something not really went! What do you think, will our mobile unit go further, which for 50 years has not been tested further than any Kazakh steppes? In general, is there a boy? Everything that exists in space-related metal has long eaten away the baldness with photos and a change in names or at least layouts - but I have not seen the chassis, as well as any concepts. And this means that when it presses, they will actualize the archaic with all that it implies.

            The fact that we did not contact this on purpose is a big mistake. For thirty years we have warmed up very cool in orbit - good money, cheerful reports. Now all this is crumbling at a good pace - and what will we face tomorrow? What developments do we have relevant for asteroid missions, the Moon, Mars? During this time, the United States has achieved a fantastic development of compression and data transmission technologies, many years of reliable operation of batteries, solar panels and moving parts in conditions different from those of the earth, rover landing technologies, etc. Do you think the bullshit question is catch up?)

            Next, you post a photo of mesh wheels - ooo, this is undoubtedly progress! The Russians were able to make such wheels! Now it remains to stir up our batteries and motors to them, so that all this does not bend without pathos in a couple of days - both the case and the equipment - or how will Sputnik-1 be sent to just roll back and forth?) Do we have all this? Even in concept. You can also find wheels in Yandex.

            You think that in the subject, but this is either extreme optimism, or you were simply bought.
            1. slipped
              slipped 24 July 2020 23: 14 New
              -2
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Blizzard, huh? :)


              Yes

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Have you heard about American legal initiatives for the development of lunar resources and the related jurisdiction? Who got up first, and boots. The rules are written by the participants in the process!


              Do you want me to write you a "legal initiative"? I'll even put a stamp. laughing Be the King of the Moon.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              We can study it for at least ten years from orbit. The question is in updating technologies that we have not used since the 70s - I think that it is necessary to develop this direction at least at the minimum level, you need competence and presence - you think that all this is crap in vegetable oil and when the big Russian bear comes, everyone will just move.


              In October next year, we have a landing station "Luna-25" flying to the zone that we explored with our LEND device - the Boguslavsky crater, to the South Pole. And behind it is the Luna-26 orbiter in a joint program with the Chinese.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              We put them before the sanctions - after the sanctions, the Americans will make them themselves.


              Do you forbid them to do it themselves? laughing Let them do it.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              You don't understand what I'm talking about. They CAN do it, we can't do everything else, even if we really want to :-)


              What we "can't" do? laughing Naive Chukchi young man.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Yeah, seriously, you will now prove to me that pure communism is in scientific cooperation, right?)


              No.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              They gave it or bought it for deshman - there is no difference, because this device is a small part of the American intelligence and study scheme - they will get a more complete picture of the data for less spending, we will get a piece of dubious utility for a part of these expenses.


              We already got everything we wanted. laughing

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              About the device that sends a separate stream of information directly to us, it's just a masterpiece of trash)


              What device? Did you carefully read what I wrote above?

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Some kind of muddy Russian contraption dangles on a multi-billion dollar device, sends data to the Russians - have you ever wondered why they should have put it on at all under such conditions? You compose fairy tales ..


              Funny. It has to be like this .... dunno laughing to continue writing such a blizzard. We simply go to the ExoMars website and read:

              "The spacecraft is now at a distance of 203 million kilometers from the Earth, and three networks of ground stations provide work with it:

              - ESTRACK, the European Space Agency (ESA) antenna systems network;
              - DSN, American Deep Space Terrestrial Antenna Network (NASA);
              - RKPNI, Russian complex for receiving scientific information (State Corporation Roscosmos)."

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Yeah, we do a lot of things on Earth. For example, 2 times they tried to send the device to Phobos.


              Three times:

              July 7, 1988 - AMS "Phobos-1" - successful launch, during the flight an erroneous command was issued by the control group, which de-energized the platform, the device was lost.
              July 12, 1988 - AMS "Phobos-2" - successful launch, transmitted a lot of telephoto and data from Phobos orbit, communication with the device was lost in Mars orbit during its transfer to Phobos for landing landing stations. The reason for the loss of connection is unknown.
              November 9, 2011 - AMS "Phobos-Grunt" - successful launch, failure of the control system of the RB of the apparatus when entering the departure trajectory.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              And this means that when it presses, they will actualize the archaic with all that it implies.


              No.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Now all this is crumbling at a good pace - and what will we face tomorrow?


              Earthquake? What do you have there "collapse"? laughing

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              What developments do we have relevant for asteroid missions, the Moon, Mars?


              How can I tell you? We have developments for asteroid missions, the Moon, Mars. Needed - will become relevant.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              During this time, the United States has achieved fantastic development of compression and data transmission technologies,


              Do you use WinRar? Who is the developer? lol

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              many years of reliable operation of batteries, solar panels and moving parts in conditions different from those of the earth


              Yes, yes, we are doing the same. We have a large satellite fleet.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              rover landing technologies, etc. Do you think the bullshit question is catch up?)


              We have four landing stations in a row to the Moon - 25,27,28,29. And yes, we are not going to catch up - not in the race.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Next, you post a photo of mesh wheels - ooo, this is undoubtedly progress! The Russians were able to make such wheels! Now it remains to stir up your batteries and motors to them,


              By the way, each such wheel has its own electric motor.

              Well, in principle, your level on the topic is already clear to me. You become uninteresting to me. Study well, gain knowledge.
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 24 July 2020 23: 33 New
                +1
                You are a dull troll who bears on personalities. Fantasies, optimism and positive coverage of individual facts, despite the fact that you are rushing like a garden hose - perfectly demonstrates that you are a small paid PR man of Roscosmos.
                They threw me some links - they tell you about the facts - we are NOT represented either on the Moon or Mars (specifically now), and 10 years ago we were not, and 20 years ago. And you mean some concepts of technology and the future in psychedelic colors. We had a lot of equipment that went to the dustbin of history in this semi-mock-up form, and your wheels with or without a motor - the same fantasy as the "Federation" or the "Science" module - until it is on the launch pad.
                We are still entering international cooperation - but I once again point out to you that as regards how the Western cosmonautics moved, we are standing still (at best), which means that practical interest in maintaining such cooperation from the West will fall. And when he finally falls, they will talk to you differently, and we still imagine ourselves (and this is clearly visible from your bravado) as "all controllers."

                I see no reason to waste time on you - you are paid for holivar, for me these are dots above the "I", no more.

                Oh yes, you wrote: "... We have a landing station Luna-25 flying next October ..."
                Now, if it really flies for YOU in October 2021, then yes, I will take off my hat and say "I was wrong." I hope that your optimism will diminish too - if this does not happen.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 24 July 2020 23: 54 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  You are a dull troll who bears on personalities.


                  Rolled into insults? laughing

                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  Fantasies, optimism and positive coverage of individual facts, despite the fact that you are rushing like a garden hose, perfectly demonstrates that you are a small paid PR man of Roscosmos.


                  Your first word very accurately characterizes your entire verbal ... paragraph. lol

                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  They threw me some links - they tell you about the facts - we are NOT represented either on the Moon or Mars (right now)


                  Wow. lol Flag missing? laughing

                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  and your wheels with or without a motor - the same fantasy as the "Federation" or the "Science" module - until it is on the launch pad.


                  Well, here's one of your "fantasy" not so long ago leaves the thermal vacuum chamber



                  will soon leave for the cosmodrome.

                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  We are still entering international cooperation - but I once again point out to you that as to how the Western cosmonautics moved, we are standing still (at best)


                  we are not going to leave the "international cooperation", on the contrary, we have many new programs open, the Indians are training at the CTC, the Arabs fly on our ships, the Spaniards with the Japanese and Germans and other Italians participate in our astrophysical research program, the French buy our rockets with services on launch, the Chinese generally tied up on the Moon ... do not drive the blizzard further

                  Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                  , and hence the practical interest in maintaining such cooperation from the West will fall. And when he finally falls, they will talk to you differently, and we still imagine ourselves (and this is clearly visible from your bravado) as "all controllers."


                  Bulk-vsepalschik? Clear. Boring girls.
          2. A.TOR
            A.TOR 25 July 2020 14: 43 New
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            The photograph you cited - a fragment - has nothing to do with the "rover in the hangar".
            This is a mock-up of an articulated chassis with an experienced 3-plane hinge m / d front and rear bogies.
            It was created by Alexander Kemurdzhian in the late 90s, this is one of his last works.
            Since the mid-2000s it has been standing not in the "hangar", but in the lobby at the entrance to the main building of VniiTransmash.

            By the way, this wheel design was rejected as a result of tests.
            1. slipped
              slipped 25 July 2020 20: 09 New
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              Quote: A.TOR
              The photograph you cited - a fragment - has nothing to do with the "rover in the hangar".


              The photograph given by me has nothing to do with the "rover in the hangar". lol If you read my posts - it was about the lunar landing gear. The chassis of the rover / Venus rover was as follows:



              Quote: A.TOR
              This is a mock-up of an articulated chassis with an experienced 3-plane hinge m / d front and rear bogies.
              It was created by Alexander Kemurdzhian in the late 90s, this is one of his last works.


              I know.

              Quote: A.TOR
              Since the mid-2000s it has been standing not in the "hangar", but in the lobby at the entrance to the main building of VniiTransmash.


              Well, yes. laughing Do you want here a photo of what is "in the hangar"? laughing laughing

              Quote: A.TOR
              By the way, this wheel design was rejected as a result of tests.


              It happens. laughing I can give such a picture:

  20. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 24 July 2020 07: 31 New
    0
    The Atlas - 5 rocket with the rover will be lifted by our first stage RD-180 and this will be our contribution to the study of the red planet!
  21. Klingon
    Klingon 24 July 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Legionista
    "Now we will ask the head of the transport department to the podium. Let him report on the search for internal reserves. Tell us!" laughing
    But I think that our head of the transport department, D. Rogozin, has nothing to "owe". Alas.

    like this, let me disagree! And what about the "space" elevators with the voice of Gagarin? wassat
  22. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 24 July 2020 14: 07 New
    +1
    laughing The Martians are already crazy. The third missile was sent to them.