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China successfully sends Tianwen 1 mission to Mars

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China successfully sends Tianwen 1 mission to Mars

The first Chinese mission to explore Mars has got off to a good start. The heavy launch vehicle Changzheng-5 (Long March 5) was launched on Thursday from the Wenchang cosmodrome (southern Hainan province) at approximately 12:40 pm local time (07:40 Moscow time).


The rocket launched a Chinese probe for the study of Mars "Tianwen-1" ("Questions to the Sky") into a given orbit. 36 minutes after the launch of the rocket, the Central Television of China reported on the successful separation of the probe from the carrier and entry into the assigned orbit. Beijing recognized the launch of the Martian mission as successful.

According to preliminary calculations, the probe will take seven months to reach the surface of Mars. If successful, it will send the received data to Earth in 2021.


According to the plans of Chinese scientists, "Tianwen-1" should enter the orbit of Mars, make a certain number of rotations around the planet, and then land and continue studying the surface of the planet using the rover. The total weight of the Tianwen-1 probe reaches 5 tons, of which 1,3 tons is the weight of the descent module, and 3,7 tons is the weight of the orbital station, which will remain in the planet's orbit.

As stated, the main goal of the mission is to search for possible signs of life on Mars. In addition, Chinese scientists want to understand whether conditions on this planet can change in the future so that it becomes suitable for human life.
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  1. Infinity
    Infinity 23 July 2020 10: 10
    27
    Congratulations! "Hot Martian Summer 2020" is in full swing! First, a few days ago, the Arabs with their orbital "Al-Amal" ("Hope"), now the Chinese with their "Questions to Heaven" (this is how Tianwen-1 is translated), a week later the Americans from Mars-2020 (as part of the Mars rover and a helicopter drone). And if the second part of ExoMars had not been postponed to 2022, then we would have been flying with the Europeans!

    PS: I really like the names of the Chinese. "Questions to Heaven", "Long March", "Heavenly Palace" (their OS), etc. We should adopt such a tradition, well, really. The names of the RN in honor of the rivers, for example, (Angara, Yenisei, etc.) are not very impressive, for this we have wonderful river and sea vessels. Even Americans and those in honor of the stars and constellations are called ...
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 23 July 2020 10: 20
      -28 qualifying.
      Let's wait for the completion of this mission ... well, the Chinese always have all the names "beautiful" for almost 5 thousand years! Only there is little sense from this ... one spray.
      These "farmers" are not Warriors at all ... and technologies can only steal.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 23 July 2020 10: 33
        16
        Quote: Hunter 2
        and technology can only steal.

        Time passes and everything changes, the Chinese have serious programs for deep space exploration, the lunar program, the Martian program, and they are clearly moving towards their goals. And if we talk about technologies, then a short time will pass and we will be outsiders with such approaches to our astronautics.
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Let's wait for the completion of this mission.

        The same was said here about Musk's manned flight, but "the trampoline works"!
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 23 July 2020 11: 06
          12
          Quote: Infinity
          We should adopt such a tradition

          Are you ok, darling?
          Union, Proton, Sunrise, Zenith, Moon, Space, etc.

          We would like to revive the tradition of loving the Motherland and gaining knowledge.

          And then slobbery and envious people are a dime a dozen, but they do not want to know their country.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 23 July 2020 11: 21
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Are you ok, darling?
            Union, Proton, Sunrise, Zenith, Moon, Space, etc.

            We would like to revive the tradition of loving the Motherland and gaining knowledge.

            And then slobbery and envious people are a dime a dozen, but they do not want to know their country.

            And why are you rushing at people? First, you translate your cipher text from Skrepopechenegsky to Skrepopolovetsky, and then into accessible Russian, and at least comprehend what was written yourself, otherwise it even smelled of your effort.
            1. A good one
              A good one 23 July 2020 14: 01
              -3
              Quote: Stroporez
              And why are you rushing at people?

              What an uncomplicated clever, mesh cutter. yes
              Quote: Stroporez
              otherwise it even smelled like your effort

              A nose and a mask under the mask, breathe the same ugly. yes
          2. slipped
            slipped 23 July 2020 12: 07
            +1
            Yes, here on VO there are a lot of those who see and want "we will be outsiders." laughing The funny thing is that we have nowhere to rush. We have already had a tool for work in the orbit of Mars for the fourth year already, while our specialists working on Mars have enough of it. RKPNI - the Russian complex for receiving scientific information is working, data is being transmitted.

            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 July 2020 12: 48
              +7
              Quote: slipped
              Yes, here on VO there are a lot of those who see and want "we will be outsiders."

              "Seers" yes, but "wanting" no! If you constantly shout and clap your hands, then nothing will change from this and we will state the successes of other countries and be proud of the merits and achievements of our grandfathers.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 23 July 2020 20: 29
                12
                SchA "the mouthpiece of Rosraspilkosmos" will shower you with agitation.
                #masculine

                Whatever the child would entertain ...
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 23 July 2020 20: 38
                  +6
                  Quote: lexus
                  SchA "the mouthpiece of Rosraspilkosmos" will shower you with agitation.
                  #masculine

                  Rjunemagu laughing The adherents of the bunker will soon have a check near the blue screens litter-tv, they will correct the evening M to fix the braces and penetrate the brain with rays wassat
                  #kaklys'elisnegirey #netanalagafwmire #capetsamerica #Putinwin all
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 23 July 2020 20: 59
                    +8
                    rays in the brain penetrate

                    The mission is doomed to "breakthrough". bully
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 23 July 2020 21: 20
                      +8
                      Quote: lexus
                      The mission is doomed to "breakthrough".

                      And "snatch" "without swinging", khe-khe laughing
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 23 July 2020 15: 21
            +9
            Union, Proton, Sunrise, Zenith, Moon, Space, etc.

            All of the above is from the Soviet Union, Vladimir.
      2. vadimtt
        vadimtt 23 July 2020 11: 05
        20
        What are these silly stereotypes? Almost all publications on fundamental and, especially, applied sciences are now full of Chinese names. And it looks like quantity has already begun to turn into quality.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 23 July 2020 15: 23
          +6
          And some all shut their eyes and do not want to see reality.
      3. snucerist
        snucerist 23 July 2020 11: 59
        13
        The completion of the mission, of course, must wait. This is true.
        But here yesterday they showered me with minuses and the comments were deleted for quite innocent questions. Let me remind you that we are talking about the prospects of the lunar station. And that, according to some jingoistic patriots, China is in dire need of some Russian lunar technology and is directly asking for a partnership with Russia.
        To which I quite logically asked the question: what kind of Russian lunar technologies do China badly need? If they don't exist in nature?
        There are Soviet developments more than half a century ago that have lost all value. But there are no modern Russian ones.
        For on the moon recently rode a device made in China, not Russian. And the mission to Mars was sent by China, not Russia.
        So the question remains open: who should share space technologies, solutions and ideas with whom today? Who should pass on experience to whom?
        1. slipped
          slipped 23 July 2020 12: 18
          -2
          Quote: snucerist
          minuses were cast and comments were removed for completely innocent questions.


          Innocence itself. lol

          Quote: snucerist
          Let me remind you that we are talking about the prospects of the lunar station. And that, according to some jingoistic patriots, China desperately needs some kind of Russian lunar technology and is directly asking for a partnership with Russia.


          You did not understand? the group is already working together. laughing

          Quote: snucerist
          To which I quite logically asked the question: what kind of Russian lunar technologies do China badly need? If they don't exist in nature?


          What do you have there "does not exist in nature"? All Chinese moon rovers have Russian RTGs. At the end of November 2018, the next batch was delivered. Moreover, new ones are now being produced on their order.

          Quote: snucerist
          There are Soviet developments more than half a century ago that have lost all value. But there are no modern Russian ones.


          Horror, horror. lol

          Quote: snucerist
          For on the moon recently rode a device made in China, not Russian. And the mission to Mars was sent by China, not Russia.


          China is now on the moon repeating only a small fraction of what the Lunokhod has already done. At the moment, Russian scientific instruments are in the orbit of Mars and Bear Lakes are receiving data from them.

          Quote: snucerist
          So the question remains open: who should share space technologies, solutions and ideas with whom today? Who should pass on experience to whom?


          Nobody owes anyone. We sold technologies when there was nothing to eat at all in the 90s. Now they are not for sale.
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 23 July 2020 12: 33
            17
            here again 25, some "parts", "modules", "nuts" of Russian production are on various non-Russian devices. You don't have to compare your finger to the drone. Our space industry does not become more advanced because some modules (WG) are installed on someone's devices. We ourselves do not launch anything further than orbit. Yes, let's not rush ... wait until Zimbabwe gets us in the space program.
            1. slipped
              slipped 23 July 2020 12: 45
              -15 qualifying.
              Quote: Klingon
              We ourselves do not launch anything further than orbit. ...


              Your data from the manual are outdated by at least a year. laughing
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 28
              0
              By the way, Russia makes satellites the same for Zimbabwe on orders, and for one and launches.
          2. snucerist
            snucerist 23 July 2020 12: 57
            18
            1. It is possible to speak about the results of the work of the "joint group" only after the real participation of Russia in the Chinese launch vehicles or spacecraft.
            2. Do not confuse scientific instruments with the MEANS OF DELIVERY and the POSSIBILITIES of CREATING the same lunar station. The fact that Russia will be partially present in the same Schiaparelli project (by the way, completely under the auspices of the ESA) is not a breakthrough in terms of media.
            3. Yes, Rosatom supplied China with a batch of radionuclide thermal blocks for the lunar program. Is this a reason for cosmic pride? That way, you can get to pride in domestic bolts and nuts.
            4. Today, no one is interested in the achievements of half a century of Soviet times on the moon. Today, the technologies, the wrong requests, the wrong equipment are not the same. We need a modern result. China has it. His moon rover rolled. Russia has no result. Alas, these are the facts.
            1. slipped
              slipped 23 July 2020 13: 13
              -9
              Quote: snucerist
              1. It is possible to speak about the results of the work of the "joint group" only after the real participation of Russia in the Chinese launch vehicles or spacecraft.


              There has been "real participation" for a long time. You just don't know about it.

              Quote: snucerist
              2. Do not confuse scientific instruments with the MEANS OF DELIVERY and the POSSIBILITIES of CREATING the same lunar station. The fact that Russia will be partially present in the same Schiaparelli project (by the way, completely under the auspices of the ESA) is not a breakthrough in terms of media.


              Blizzard again, dear? In general, Romanians did Schiaparelli. And we work directly with TGO - we receive data by our means of deep space communication.

              Quote: snucerist
              3. Yes, Rosatom supplied China with a batch of radionuclide thermal blocks for the lunar program. Is this a reason for cosmic pride? That way, you can get to pride in domestic bolts and nuts.


              Wow. So more than once they bought a batch and they will buy it again. They don't have that. You asked about this earlier in the question "what they do not have what we have". laughing

              Quote: snucerist
              4. Today, no one is interested in the achievements of half a century of Soviet times on the moon.


              STA ?! Is the moon different? laughing This is how you need to be dunno to say something like that. lol
            2. MMX
              MMX 23 July 2020 13: 31
              +3
              It's strange. Very strange.
              You asked the question what our technologies the Chinese need. You were answered in detail. And you immediately turned off the topic ...
              1. slipped
                slipped 23 July 2020 23: 53
                -2
                Quote: MMX
                It's strange. Very strange.
                You asked the question what our technologies the Chinese need. You were answered in detail. And you immediately turned off the topic ...


                So they immediately turn off the topic when you answer them in detail laughing Their maximum is enough for fotoeba.
                1. MMX
                  MMX 24 July 2020 16: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: slipped
                  Quote: MMX
                  It's strange. Very strange.
                  You asked the question what our technologies the Chinese need. You were answered in detail. And you immediately turned off the topic ...


                  So they immediately turn off the topic when you answer them in detail laughing Their maximum is enough for fotoeba.

                  Yeah, they think that all the questions are rhetorical ... And here - bang, and the answer laughing
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 July 2020 13: 54
        +5
        Quote: Hunter 2
        and technology can only steal.

        It's a pity that we have forgotten how to do this. Once, thanks to "stolen" technologies, our country was able to acquire both nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles. After all, you need not only to "steal technology" but also to be able to establish production.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 July 2020 10: 23
      +8
      I agree with you! Space is common, it is unshakable for all of Mankind! Good luck to our eastern neighbors. Maybe after us and the amers they will take the next step towards knowledge.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 July 2020 11: 12
      +6
      Quote: Infinity
      then we would fly with the Europeans!

      Ragozin has his own plans, in which it is not entirely clear what he is going to master, space or loot.
      Apparently, he will now build land-based monuments to Soviet cosmonautics on the basis of Khrunichev's NPO, and the earth will be grabbed and added a little, otherwise the fick knows how life will turn out further.
      1. slipped
        slipped 23 July 2020 12: 22
        -5
        Quote: Stroporez
        Apparently, he will now build land-based monuments to Soviet cosmonautics on the basis of Khrunichev's NPO, and the earth will be grabbed and added a little, otherwise the fick knows how life will turn out further.


        Not at the base, but nearby. The construction of the National Space Center is progressing at an excellent pace.

        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 July 2020 12: 44
          +9
          Quote: slipped
          Not at the base, but nearby. The construction of the National Space Center is progressing at an excellent pace.

          And how will the Ragozin Center help us in the exploration of the Moon, Mars, deep and near space?
          Those. I was right, with Ragozino-Putinism, they will master the loot, not space.
          1. slipped
            slipped 23 July 2020 12: 52
            -15 qualifying.
            Quote: Stroporez
            And how will the Ragozin Center help us in the exploration of the Moon, Mars, deep and near space?


            The aerospace cluster will include the head divisions of the main organizations of the rocket and space industry, design bureaus, and specialized structural divisions of research and educational organizations.

            So see? laughing They will unite disparate design bureaus under one roof. Engineers will not, as before, bowing to related organizations for this or that idea. There will be a common one, and a digital bank.

            Quote: Stroporez
            Those. I was right, with Ragozino-Putinism, they will master the loot, not space.


            No, not right.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 July 2020 12: 59
              +8
              Quote: slipped
              Is this clear? They will unite disparate design bureaus under one roof. Engineers will not, as before, bowing to related organizations for this or that idea. There will be a common one, and a digital bank.

              It is clear to me that in the USSR they coped without all this turbidity and all your verbal urrya-husk has nothing to do with the true state of affairs in Russian cosmonautics.
              1. MMX
                MMX 23 July 2020 13: 26
                +3
                But comrade snucerist (Vladlen) the post above wrote something completely different. I quote:

                Today, no one is interested in the achievements of half a century of Soviet times on the moon. Today, the technologies, the wrong requests, the wrong equipment are not the same. We need a modern result. ...


                How to be? That is, what was before does not matter so much? Or snucerist (Vladlen) not right?
                1. Interlocutor
                  Interlocutor 23 July 2020 22: 30
                  +2
                  How to be? That is, what was before does not matter so much? Or is snucerist (Vladlen) wrong?


                  What an awkward question you ask ... SchA he will think it over and answer. The page will only find.
              2. slipped
                slipped 24 July 2020 00: 02
                -2
                Quote: Stroporez
                I understand that in the USSR they coped without all this dregs


                I still remember that for the idea of ​​another bicycle, the director of a neighboring plant had to put down chacha ... and that was the option that he had to invent his own bicycle. laughing
    4. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 24 July 2020 08: 53
      -1
      Quote: Infinity
      We should adopt such a tradition, well, really

      They reminded me of "Woe from Wit" - Chatsky also advocated Chinese traditions:
      "Ah! If we were born to take over everything,
      If only we could borrow from the Chinese
      Wise their ignorance of foreigners. "
      True, that tradition led them to know where laughing
  2. prior
    prior 23 July 2020 10: 11
    +5
    Well, what about Mars and without the Chinese ?!
    1. pytar
      pytar 23 July 2020 10: 53
      +6
      In 20 years, the population of Mars will be 200 million Chinese! And the Chinese commodity cosm. the ships will lead to the Earth a ton of sneakers and T-shirts, with the inscription "Made in Cina-Mars" :))))))))))))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 33
        0
        In 200 years, maybe 200 million Chinese will live on Mars and take an active part in its development.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 23 July 2020 10: 12
    0
    Sho, China is doing on its own and for itself. They again set off on a great campaign, as they once did.
    I just want to add - no noise and din, in vain!
    1. dauria
      dauria 23 July 2020 10: 28
      14
      I just want to add - without noise and din,


      Simple and tasteful. One generation of work - and what a result.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 July 2020 10: 45
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        Simple and tasteful. One generation of work - and what a result.

        I don’t think it was that simple ... but a lot of work has been done !!! Even if they pull everything from all over the world, but you also need to be able to use it properly!
        1. dauria
          dauria 23 July 2020 11: 03
          +2
          Even if they pull everything from all over the world,


          Everyone pulls. And they always pulled. Not only ideas and pieces of iron - people were pulled.
          I remember the book by the American Leigh Willie "Rockets and Spaceflight"
          It was written before Gagarin and our companion. There, it was argued with pathos that in the 49th year, the Americans went into space. In fact, they threw the German FAU-2 with the second stage - a meteorological rocket on the Fireby TTRD 400 kilometers. I could be wrong, I read it in childhood. And Korolev was taken aback when he saw a German engine with a thrust of 30 tons.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 July 2020 11: 08
            0
            Talented people + resources and other help, work wonders!
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 23 July 2020 12: 14
            +4
            There, it was argued with pathos that in the 49th year, the Americans went into space. In fact, they threw the German FAU-2

            If we consider the Karman line (100 km) as space, then FAU - 2 is the first. June 1944.
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 July 2020 10: 14
    +8
    Good luck with the Tianwen 1 mission and successful landing.
  5. alma
    alma 23 July 2020 10: 22
    17
    While it is too early to talk about the success of the mission, we will judge by the results.
    Congratulations on the launch.
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  7. olhon
    olhon 23 July 2020 10: 25
    0
    There is a cosmodrome near Sanya .. I didn't know.
  8. aqrmre
    aqrmre 23 July 2020 10: 28
    -7
    Let everyone fly there, the Earth can breathe a sigh of relief.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 23 July 2020 10: 40
      0
      Quote: aqrmre
      Even though everyone will fly there, The earth can breathe a sigh of relief.

      ===
      then the Anglo-Saxons are better. everything and for a long time
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 23 July 2020 11: 46
        0
        Victorio (victor) Today, 10:40 AM NEW
        +2
        Quote: aqrmre
        Let everyone fly there, the Earth can breathe a sigh of relief.

        ===
        then the Anglo-Saxons are better. everything and for a long time
        And in a cart, on a trailer, plant all their barbecues! wink And one flight to make fewer tears))! laughing
  9. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 23 July 2020 10: 28
    +3
    We are not to Mars, but the flight is also planned for today:
    On July 23, at 17:26:22 Moscow time, the launch of the Soyuz-6a carrier rocket with the Progress MS-31 cargo vehicle is planned from the launcher No. 2.1 of the site No. 15 of the Baikonur cosmodrome.
    1. slipped
      slipped 23 July 2020 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Laksamana Besar
      We are not to Mars, but the flight is also planned for today:


      Let there be an online broadcast. https://www.roscosmos.ru/28857/
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 24 July 2020 09: 02
        0
        Well, did you look? How do you like the quality of the video from the site? laughing
        Roscosmos has no money for a couple of cheap HD cameras?
        And I also agree that the higher quality of the picture from the onboard cameras is, rather, an excess, but at the table it was possible to put better "web ki" bully
        The interviews are also noteworthy. Very tongue-tied. No, I certainly understand that people are narrow specialists and are not trained to speak to the camera, but it was possible to train them a little, since publicity suddenly began to matter. It looks a little depressing.
        1. slipped
          slipped 24 July 2020 15: 31
          +3
          Quote: vadimtt
          Roscosmos has no money for a couple of cheap HD cameras?


          Are you out of your mind? The MCC was broadcast in HD. But the web stream from Baikonur to the Internet went to SD. Want to watch in HD - watch the recording



          Quote: vadimtt
          It looks a little depressing.


          you checkered or go? laughing
  10. Svarog
    Svarog 23 July 2020 10: 29
    0
    Well done Chinese .. although there is a feeling of envy, but for the sake of science and space exploration, this is very positive news. And I agree with Infinity (Alexander K.), very beautiful names for rockets ..
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 23 July 2020 11: 16
      +4
      Quote: Svarog
      very nice names for rockets.

      The names of the rockets are not so much beautiful as pretentious.
  11. Victorio
    Victorio 23 July 2020 10: 38
    +2
    it remains only to wish success to the Chinese comrades
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 23 July 2020 22: 34
      0
      it remains only to wish success to the Chinese comrades

      Yes, everyone should wish success.
      The work is difficult. Piece things. Fly far away. It's hard to manage. Good job.
      Our laboratory is also radiating the area. Antenna mask launches into space below. All according to plan.
  12. Alien From
    Alien From 23 July 2020 10: 43
    -1
    The Chinese want to colonize Mars ..........
  13. Incompetent
    Incompetent 23 July 2020 10: 46
    +9
    China began developing a Mars exploration program in 2011 in partnership with Russia - then, along with the Russian apparatus Phobos-Grunt, designed to obtain samples from Mars and Phobos, the Chinese apparatus "Inho-1" was also launched from Baikonur. As a result, the mission failed - due to technical problems "Phobos-Grunt"
    After a bad start, the Chinese authorities decided to start an independent program to explore Mars. The Tianwen 1 mission was approved in early 2016.
    Rogozin will probably jump on a trampoline all day from satisfaction with his work
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 23 July 2020 10: 56
      18
      The trend is funny, however .. Musk with Roscosmos has failed - and now flies on its rockets, China has failed .. and flies on its rockets .. Many countries have failed to cooperate with Roscosmos, and went to other partners ... You can reward the corporation Order for Merit in the Development of Cosmonautics in Other Countries ..
      1. slipped
        slipped 23 July 2020 12: 27
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Dikson
        Many countries have failed cooperating with Roscosmos


        What are "many countries"? China has cooperated and is cooperating. Germany is cooperating, Italy is cooperating, France is cooperating, Spain is cooperating, Japan, damn it, is also cooperating. Even the US continues to cooperate. lol

        Blizzard chalk dear. laughing

        By the way, the Italians supplied us with another relay complex for our new communications satellite, and despite the pandemic, they successfully tested it remotely:

        1. Dikson
          Dikson 23 July 2020 12: 47
          +9
          Slipped .. How many foreign satellites did Roscosmos drop? How many firms, looking at this, preferred to launch their equipment on American or French rockets? I didn't write that they stopped all communication with Roscosmos at all .. - nobody knows how to make them stronger than our platforms, yes .. They take blocks, engines from us, and leave ... Because, spend five years developing, creating , assembly and debugging of your product, train your personnel ... - so that later our rocket would take it all away .. - probably your colleagues from other countries should be upset by this? I doubt that after such a launch, they will come to you for the second time with their product .. and the project .. Slipped, please tell me, is it possible in such a grandiose project as "Phobos-ground" .. only one copy of the product is made? It seems like before it was customary to do three things at once in order to work out all sorts of nuances .. and so .. just in case .. If we suffered such a grandiose failure with the first "Phobos" .. why after a while the second copy was not sent? Has the flight window been closed? Or was it the only copy of the station and equipment? Thanks.
          1. slipped
            slipped 23 July 2020 13: 06
            -7
            Quote: Dikson
            Slipped .. How many foreign satellites did Roscosmos drop?


            No more than the rest of the country.

            Quote: Dikson
            How many firms, looking at this, preferred to launch their equipment on American or French rockets?


            The French launch their equipment on our Soyuz-ST from the GKTs. Many foreign firms launch their small spacecraft on our Soyuz-2.1b.

            As for the Americans, they proactively banned the launch of their satellites (more precisely, satellites produced at their factories) on our rockets from 2023.

            Quote: Dikson
            They take blocks, engines from us, and leave ...


            They buy our motors just like we buy foreign equipment. Who is leaving there? lol There is always someone else coming for a new one.

            Quote: Dikson
            Because, to spend five years developing, creating, assembling and debugging your product, to train your personnel ... - so that later our rocket would take it all away ..


            Here Bezos recently spent money and staff and "wasted". The Rocket Lab recently spent money and staff and also "lost" everything. The same Chinese have already "lost" three times. What are you talking about?

            Quote: Dikson
            Slipped, please tell me, is it possible in such a grandiose project as "Phobos-ground" .. only one copy of the product is made?


            Of course one. Here is another planned with a more expanded program. In general, there is a lot that is being made. After the FG, the design was revised and two stations were already launched at the new one, the second one has been successfully operating for a year at the L2 Lagrange point.

            Quote: Dikson
            It seems like before it was customary to do three things at once in order to work out all sorts of nuances .. well, so .. just in case ..


            So the "Luna" excavators were launched - only three brought the soil successfully. The imperfection of technology would then be. FG, by the way, had the same - they used "the wrong microcircuits". Duc corrected for a long time - everything flies normally.

            Quote: Dikson
            If we had such a grandiose failure with the first "Phobos" .. why after a while the second copy was not sent?


            The second copy is planned for the next FKP under the Boomerang project.
    2. slipped
      slipped 23 July 2020 12: 29
      -5
      Quote: Incompetent
      approved in early 2016.
      Rogozin will probably jump on a trampoline all day from satisfaction with his work


      In 2016, our "ExoMars" flew to Mars. lol
  14. UVB
    UVB 23 July 2020 10: 47
    +1
    In addition, Chinese scientists want to understand whether conditions on this planet can change in the future so that it becomes suitable for human life.
    No real scientist will seriously talk about the possibility of creating conditions on Mars suitable for life. The main reason is the absence of a magnetic field, without which the planet has an exorbitant level of radiation, and the atmosphere, even if it is recreated, will be blown away by the solar wind.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 23 July 2020 11: 07
      +4
      I, the daughter of a Chinese teikonaut, say - everything is not so simple wassat
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 23 July 2020 11: 15
      +2
      So globally only science fiction writers think (manilovism at this stage). They will still collect data for the construction of the yurt of cosmonauts.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 40
      -1
      It can be created, although you will need several thousand satellites on which there will be nuclear energy sources to power electromagnets whose magnetic fields will create an artificial shield from solar and cosmic radiation - but all this is in the very distant future.
  15. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 July 2020 10: 50
    +1
    Immediately let them introduce waste recycling technologies. Otherwise, the whole planet will be dirtied with packages of noodles.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 23 July 2020 11: 13
      +1
      By the way, a very painful topic for the planet, capitalism with idiologies of consumption and profit, led the planet to wasteful consumption of resources for packaging and, in general, for disposable slag. We will gray out at a shock pace.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 23 July 2020 12: 44
        +1
        And therefore, it is easier to move to another planet than to put things in order in the house, so to speak.
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 23 July 2020 14: 05
          +1
          Yes, there are two scenarios-fantastic and realistic-realistic while maintaining the foundations of capitalism, you voiced. This is a fantastic transition to decomposable packaging, plastic recycling and, most importantly, the production of really long-lasting things without chasing trends and fashion, which will have to be hammered in for a long time.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 23 July 2020 14: 29
            +2
            Quote: evgen1221
            Yes, there are two scenarios-fantastic and realistic-realistic while maintaining the foundations of capitalism, you voiced

            True, but even more realistic, while maintaining capitalism, this is not a flight to another planet (does not bring profit), but the reduction of 9/10 of the planet's population to the state of cattle with very low consumption and living in polluted zones. 1 is enough.
            1. evgen1221
              evgen1221 23 July 2020 17: 51
              +1
              It is quite possible and so, and also if you totally otgenocidit Africa, it will also be good for 1% of the rich will come out.
  16. Dikson
    Dikson 23 July 2020 10: 51
    10
    Well, it took China quite a few years to become a truly full-fledged space power .. The presence of its own electronic base, a huge number of engineers, workers ... They will succeed! .. And we .. Sorry, Yura .. There is no need for us to fly ourselves to Mars and the Moon .. We should stay in orbit ..
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 23 July 2020 11: 14
      +5
      And we .. I'm sorry, Yura ..

      We now have Tereshkova in authority ..
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 23 July 2020 11: 39
        +6
        We now have Tereshkova in authority ........... a very dangerous post ... what if someone knocks and you open it ... you need to be careful. something like this ... We now have a Seagull in a trend, and everyone will understand who we are talking about and questions will not arise for you ... and the target wolves and sheep are fed. that is, the opposite.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 41
          -3
          Excuse me, who is Seagull at the moment?
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 23 July 2020 16: 38
            +1
            Forgive me, but who is Seagull at the moment? ........ Seagull is the call sign of the first woman-cosmonaut of the USSR ...... at Savitskaya Dnieper-3
  17. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 23 July 2020 10: 56
    +5
    For this year, the Chinese have planned a flight to the Moon behind the ground and the launch of the first module into orbit for their space station (KS).
  18. Roman123567
    Roman123567 23 July 2020 11: 02
    +6
    China sent .. Rogozin promised .. Roscosmos will develop ..

    Everyone has long been accustomed to the fact that China made a breakthrough (not Putin's, of course) in the economy in a couple of decades ... But in space, many still persisted in believing (and someone hoping) that we are still in the leaders .. and no space-Xs could convince of this .. because "without us they won't even reach the ISS, etc."
    But now I am reading this news .. and it seems to me that China is reaching the level of the Soviet Union .. It's not about the level of development of those times .. but about the level occupied in the international arena - leading positions ..
    Yes, we will ride the Americans in our Unions for some time ... but .. It is hardly possible to catch up !! And no one is trying ...
    1. Filosoff
      Filosoff 23 July 2020 13: 58
      0
      You contradict yourself. You can catch up and overtake (China, in your opinion, did it). It is only necessary to establish management, planning and abandon the mantra about Western investments. Well, stop whining, of course.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 16: 14
      0
      will no longer try to catch up
  19. evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 July 2020 11: 07
    +4
    Who was there for the clinical pathological copy-paste of the Chinese drowned? Here's the proof. Quantity turns into quality. It's only the beginning! I am glad for the Chinese and sadness for our defective managers.
  20. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 23 July 2020 12: 00
    +1
    Recently, China is not very good for me, since it destroyed my city (yes, Qin Shi Huang, you will answer me for this!) But with all my heart I wish the mission to be successful. Let's see what the Chinese Opportunity gets for us.
  21. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 23 July 2020 12: 06
    +6
    Everyone sends missions to Mars - except us. And one could say that this is a stupid business, but we are not sending to Venus either. And the idea of ​​the long-suffering flight to Phobos was somehow forgotten too ..
    God bless him with prestige and politics - we will lose our competence so all :(
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 46
      +1
      Do not worry tomorrow Rogozin will announce that Roscosmos will send a research mission to the tenth planet Haumee.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 16: 14
      -1
      it is already gone, you have to create everything almost from scratch
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 July 2020 17: 37
        0
        There are two more dwarfs with a margin of safety left for Roscosmos.
    3. Gato
      Gato 24 July 2020 18: 50
      0
      Everybody sends missions to Mars - except us

      What for? Oil and gas have not yet been found there. And if they find it, then there is no one to sell it anyway.
  22. Charik
    Charik 23 July 2020 12: 10
    -6
    I can imagine how the bastard burns among the Americans, yesterday they wanted to expel the Chinese from Houston, and they are opting to Mars
    1. Freemason Mason
      Freemason Mason 23 July 2020 12: 48
      +8
      On August 30, the Americans launch their largest rover in history. Already the 5th in a row, by the way. So don't worry about them. wink
      1. Charik
        Charik 23 July 2020 13: 46
        -6
        And the Chinese scratched their heads in Houston and launched today
  23. Serpet
    Serpet 23 July 2020 12: 36
    +9
    The Chinese go ahead no matter what.
  24. Klingon
    Klingon 23 July 2020 12: 38
    +6
    now uncle Rogozin, the Athec of our trampoline cosmonautics will make a statement that they say we, too, here, and the rocket is "almost" ready, "Eagle" here it is, very soon and the lunar station in the near future, we will launch something somewhere! honestly! wassat
    1. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 23 July 2020 14: 02
      +4
      Not. not this way. He will say something like: "Well done, such a burden of responsibility has been removed from us. We thought that we would have to take the Chinese to Mars, but now China has coped with this task itself! Hooray!" ... and all that.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 51
      +2
      Alas, the Eagle will fly only in 2024, and then without a crew, and with a crew it may be in 2025, and ours will land on the Moon in 2035 on Mars in the 2060 region. The program, as you can see, is clear, so that the current applicants would have time to retire grandmothers taking them.
  25. Klingon
    Klingon 23 July 2020 12: 58
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: dauria
    Simple and tasteful. One generation of work - and what a result.

    I don’t think it was that simple ... but a lot of work has been done !!! Even if they pull everything from all over the world, but you also need to be able to use it properly!

    simply there was not, nor were there any loud statements that constantly fly out of our mouths you know who. Journalists of one (now the word of both a fool and a swindler is heard at the same time wassat ) who has a long tongue
  26. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 23 July 2020 13: 35
    -4
    How dare they launch a Martian station without the ingenious Elon Musk ..?
    In the world now, if only that it flies into Space, then only with the blessing of the great Mask ...
  27. Odysseus
    Odysseus 23 July 2020 14: 02
    +3
    Congratulations to the Chinese comrades on a successful launch! And apple trees will bloom on Mars !!
    The mission is difficult, but I hope everything will work out.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 15: 53
      +1
      There will be Chinese apple trees and everything else from SpeceX.
  28. zwlad
    zwlad 23 July 2020 15: 03
    0
    Well done Chinese. They will be the first colonists on Mars.
  29. Vestnik
    Vestnik 23 July 2020 15: 24
    +1
    Well, good luck! What else can I say well done .. They don’t speak languages, but they work quite well.
  30. Gato
    Gato 24 July 2020 18: 45
    0
    the main goal of the mission is to search for possible signs of life on Mars

    Yeah, of course we do! lol
  31. Gato
    Gato 24 July 2020 19: 07
    0
    I will express a seditious thought: no one needs this Mars. And it will not be needed for the next hundred years. There is nothing there that would not be on Earth. The only thing he could be useful for is to build a protected gene bank there - just in case ...